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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. The Haunted Housewives back with us, Kathy Webber,

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Speaker 1: Teresa Argie. They're often considered the world's most unusual paranormal investigators, wives, mothers, authors,

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Speaker 1: and ghost hunters. The ladies balance their family lives with

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Speaker 1: their paranormal pursuits. They call themselves parah historians. They've dedicated

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Speaker 1: their lives to historic preservation and community service as well.

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Speaker 1: They've written America's Most Haunted, Haunted Willoughby, Ohio, of course,

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Speaker 1: and the latest work, Love Beyond the Grave. Let's introduce

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Speaker 1: Kathy and Teresa back here on Coast to Coast. Hi Kathy,

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Speaker 1: Hi George, it's good to hear from you. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this. And Teresa, welcome back. Thanks George. It's great

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Speaker 1: to be back on the show. This is fun. Love

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Speaker 1: Beyond the Grave. That tells me something, Teresa, There's got

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Speaker 1: to be some kind of connection there. Huh. Oh, there

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Speaker 1: is our new book. It was based on stories that

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Speaker 1: we heard, ghost stories because of course we love the

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Speaker 1: ghost stories, but we found a common theme in many

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Speaker 1: of them. And that theme was love. And so after

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Speaker 1: doing some research, Kathy and I came up with some

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Speaker 1: of the world's most astounding love stories that also have

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Speaker 1: a haunting attached to them. And so it was a

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Speaker 1: real fun book to research. And we've got love in

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Speaker 1: every form covered in this book, because love is not

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Speaker 1: always romantic and flowers and chocolate. Sometimes it can be

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Speaker 1: dark and a little deadly even Kathy, how did you

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Speaker 1: and Teresa come across these stories? Well, of course we

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Speaker 1: both love love like many people, and I think the

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Speaker 1: romance behind love you catches your attention. But then Teresa

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Speaker 1: and I truly are researchers and historians, and we just

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Speaker 1: started looking into some of these some of them are

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Speaker 1: obscure and some of them are well known love stories

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Speaker 1: to find out where this ghost might have come from.

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Speaker 1: And the stories were so compared telling reading a lot

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Speaker 1: like true crimes of most of the time. So the

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Speaker 1: stories are sometimes morbid, sometimes they're cute, sometimes they're murderous.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's I mean, it reads like a mystery and

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Speaker 1: a love story and a ghost story all in one.

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Speaker 1: Is the love so strong that it can literally pull

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Speaker 1: that ghost from the other side back here. That's something

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Speaker 1: that we both feel is one of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: these stories stay through the years is the love was

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Speaker 1: so strong, either because of the horrible thing that happened

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Speaker 1: at the end, or the sad romantic thing that happened

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Speaker 1: at the end, or the unrequited love that cuts someone's

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Speaker 1: heart yearning for someone. That strong emotion seems to be

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Speaker 1: in play when these ghost stories come about. A lot

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Speaker 1: of them are dealing with unrequited love, which is a

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Speaker 1: sad thing, but it is something that seems to be

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Speaker 1: an emotion that's very chaotic, confusing, and also compelling to

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Speaker 1: make people want to stay with that person so badly

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Speaker 1: that they're not even willing to leave them in death.

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Speaker 1: Love or hate they both work, don't they Teresa. Love

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Speaker 1: and hate are probably the two most powerful emotions. And

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Speaker 1: you hear a lot of ghost stories, stories of hauntings

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Speaker 1: that revolve around of something very tragic, something horrible, like

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Speaker 1: say a prison, Mansfield Prison, a big one here in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anger and hate in that prison,

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Speaker 1: and there's also a lot of ghosts. So it's that

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Speaker 1: emotion we feel is the bonding agent. So love is

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Speaker 1: in our opinion, even more powerful so of course, that

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Speaker 1: it's a toss up, but I think if you look

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Speaker 1: see that that emotion is just as powerful, if not

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Speaker 1: more powerful, which we believe it is more powerful than hate. Teresa,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have you give us a love story. Kathley,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have you give us a darker side story.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, Theresa, what would be one of your favorites?

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite love stories that is truly heartwarming

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Speaker 1: and not even romantic, but just a story of true

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Speaker 1: based on not just people, but people's special bond that

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Speaker 1: and this is one that your listeners might be very

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Speaker 1: feeding him, they tried everything, and no matter what they did,

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Speaker 1: to that spot and wait for his master. Now, if

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Speaker 1: know what is. It's very sad. But of course the

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Speaker 1: known that even death could not keep those two apart.

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Speaker 1: And that to me is true, complete and pure love.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the dog had nothing else to live for,

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Speaker 1: it seemed, after his master died. And that's how strong

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Speaker 1: At any given time, the dog would stay there, excuse me.

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Speaker 1: The first couple times the dog stayed for several hours

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Speaker 1: and almost overnight. I think the first couple times. But

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Speaker 1: first fought on his own. On his own, he would leave,

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Speaker 1: but he would come back. He would go back to

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Speaker 1: the residence where his master was, but when he realized

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Speaker 1: but he would stay for several hours. He would even

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Speaker 1: sleep at the train station. Sometimes they would set up

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Speaker 1: station would leave out food. So people took pity on

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Speaker 1: him and took care of him. But where he disappeared

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Speaker 1: and one person tried to adopt him, but he ran away,

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Speaker 1: but they found him the next day at the train station.

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Speaker 1: At the same time. What an incredible story, how about you, Kathy?

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Speaker 1: How about a darker story. Weller's story, one that takes

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Speaker 1: place right here in Ohio is the story of Seely Rose,

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Speaker 1: and her legend is kind of a little more well known,

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Speaker 1: probably here in the heartland. Seely Rose lived in a

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Speaker 1: and many people felt Seely was simple minded, which would

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Speaker 1: her family, so she plotted to murder them. Oh jeez,

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Speaker 1: and she actually poisoned her whole entire family. Her mother,

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Speaker 1: in legend because it was it happened near Malibar Farm,

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Speaker 1: and many people know Malibar Farm. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know, George, do you know what Malibar Farm? Do not? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Malibar Farm has a wonderful or romantic story because a

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Speaker 1: very popular couple in the nineteen forties was married there.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people go to Malibar Farm because

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Speaker 1: they know that Humphrey boat Art and we're married at

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Speaker 1: Malibar Farm here in Ohio, and it is like next

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Speaker 1: door to see the Roses House. That's a neat story.

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Speaker 1: It is a neat story. And you two have compiled

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Speaker 1: so many in the book Love Beyond the Grave, which

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Speaker 1: captured my attention as you were putting it together. Where

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Speaker 1: do people get the book, Teresa? The book is available

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. You can purchase it there and e book

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Speaker 1: form and paperback, and it is also available at Barnes

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Speaker 1: and Noble. And if your Burnes and Noble doesn't carry it,

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Speaker 1: So it's available everywhere. We'd like to see it popping

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Speaker 1: up again now that our Valentine's Day is right around

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