WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Erick Sermon Clarifies Diddy Incident, Owning His Publishing, Iconic Sound + More 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.960 Every day a week up the Breakfast Club. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.720 Y'all done morning. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.720 Everybody's d J n V. Just hilarious. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.000 Charlamagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club. La La 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.680 Ros is here as well, and we got a special guest. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.040 In the building, legendary Eric. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.080 You know you're one of the greatest producers of all time, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.760 and we're gonna get to that in a second. You 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.599 need to get to this ridiculous ass story that you 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.400 told on the Diddy Documents. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:29.720 Already. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.600 I've been wanting to talk to you about this since 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:33.640 I saw you. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.199 Now, when you sat down and told this story right, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.800 and then went back and watched it, right, did you 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.120 say to yourself I told her wrong. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.159 That's not ridiculous. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.959 No, it's just not ridiculous. I'm gonna tell you what 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.159 what I said was the truth. I never capt so 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.880 what I did said was the truth how it went down, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.159 you know, because again me and missus friends, I love 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:53.840 me to the death. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.440 I would never put do something. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.640 Just try to disrespect that, because behind the scenes I 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.119 gave her the number to call Alex and she wrote 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.280 in the text too. Oh yeah. If it wasn't for Eric, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.160 I wasn't even reached out. She told Alex no about 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.760 the documentary. So I wouldn't even did that if I 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.480 was trying to disrespect her on that. I was just 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.319 giving my story two of what I said. Me and 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.640 her are sitting in the car, she in the driver seat, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.120 She in the driver seat right, So if something was 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.280 going on, I wouldn't be in the car talking, you 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.440 know what I'm saying, I'd be you know whatever. So 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.440 somebody knocked on my window and it was him, So 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.800 of course he goes with her. Now, so of course 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.480 anybody will be angry and be mad because that's his girl. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:42.920 Wasn't it your car? 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:49.120 Yeah, but I'm saying as far as him being angry, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:55.280 he never touched me stopping now, stop, come on this me, Okay. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.560 He when I got out the car, he was angry, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.480 so he swung on me. Yeah, I got the car, right, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:04.640 can't swing in the car. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:05.000 And then. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.440 No, no, no, no no no, I got the car 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.800 and we started talking. Then he swung on me. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:12.880 So now, at the end of the day, me being 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.919 respectful knowing that too, I didn't want to do that 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:22.560 in front of her because I know I listened and 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:30.560 you understand exactly because of the respect of her was 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:30.960 in the car. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:32.040 She got out the car. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.600 She said she got so you told. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.400 Her get out and I told get out. She's got. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.960 Of course you gonna get out. People talking, you know, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.519 we don't get we were he's yelling. You know what 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.680 I'm saying. So, but me and him is also friends, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.000 to don't forget. I was gonna into the Mary J. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:51.880 Blage album right so automatically, and then he had to 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.160 come and talk to me too, which is em so 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.679 I had to get the clearings for that though too, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.840 So we was already no kind of friends. He befriended me, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.720 so it wasn't like I'm like, yo, I couldn't believe 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.520 that it happened to begin with. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.600 So my thing was, let's. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.960 Go around the corner so we won't have to do 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.120 that in front of my friend and you're angry. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.760 So y'all really was cool. I was cool getting into something. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.200 That's look again Netflix again, that's on Netflix. It looks crazy. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.840 Sot me let me fix the other part about the 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.320 Biggie Smalls. Of course, Biggie Smalls is not out yet, 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.680 so it's new music. So when somebody says, oh that, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.000 it don't add up with the baby and just not 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:36.680 being born. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.600 I'm saying, no, it was new music. So again, after you. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.920 Finished going around the corner, you calm down now because 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.920 now there's no reason for you to get hype now 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.600 because now this this situation is all calm So now 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.920 it's like, yo, check this out. And then then we 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.920 took about Keith Murray because he was a big Keith 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.680 Murray fan. So like Keith Murry signed to me. So 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.400 again the cop versation that people don't know about, this 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:03.360 is what happened. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.280 So what was the ride around the corner? Like when 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.160 he got in the car. What did y'all talk about it? 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.360 Y'all was driving gona think about nothing until we stopped. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.120 So y'all stopped and realize we don't really want to fight. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.880 It was never going to get there for for for 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:14.600 for him. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.840 You know, you had already talked outside the car and 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.240 kind of cooled it down, is what you're saying. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:23.760 No, please ask God, damn all. Right, hold up, why 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.400 was she driving your truck? 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.560 She's in driving she Why was she in the. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.440 Driver's seat of your truck? That's his girl. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.800 No, I just she just wanted to be in the 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.440 driver's seat. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:33.640 Oh what kind of truck was. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.880 It was a uh but I had was a fore runner. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.640 She just wanted to be So you wasn't trying to 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.800 get her back or nothing in the driver's seat to 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:45.480 do that, all right. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.400 And so when she got out, y'all left her just 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:48.960 right there. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.320 Left she was in fun of her crib. Oh all right? 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:53.159 So this was at the crib. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.120 Oh yeah, we talked in front of the crib. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.840 I'm like, why would you go around to another No? 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.560 No, fron of her in front of her house? 0:04:59.600 --> 0:04:59.880 All right? 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:00.279 Young? 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.359 So what was this was the song Fucking You Tonight? 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.039 No, we'll just stop. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:13.440 This was ready to die. He was not thinking about something. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.159 Let me tell you about about with with with Puff. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.720 I was just telling my story. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:18.279 You know. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.680 It wasn't like I was trying to even just him neither. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.920 Don't forget Puffy came and got keep married. For every remix, 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:29.040 every song he called me for Jose's remix. So if 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.480 you are angry with somebody, I wouldn't be getting phone calls. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.360 He called for Redman. He called every. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.599 Time something came out on Bad Boy. One of my 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.760 artists was somebody who he called or he called me 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.720 to remix it. So again I understand how it might look, 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.200 but it wasn't like That's why I couldn't wait to 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:49.520 get here. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:51.520 Now. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.280 So the next question is why the documentary because I 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.880 didn't see that on my bingo call when I seen 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.080 the documentary and I see Eric the documentary, So who 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:00.880 reached out for the document Why did you say? 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.039 They asked me the questions, you know how fifty is? Again, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.159 I had fifty with a nod in the beginning. You know, 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.640 don't forget Corey Ruon. You bung fifty cent to my 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.120 crib next door, like walked over with him, like, yo, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.279 here's my artist. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:15.599 Whatever. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.160 I end up doing heat Wave, you know, and I 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.440 end up doing a couple of other songs though too. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.919 So I'm also friends with him too. So when they 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.360 asked me the question, I'm like, yo, okay, I do it, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.120 not knowing it was going to be, you know, how 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.839 you put stuff together. I was just I told a 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.040 couple of stories, envy. This is a story that they 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.400 end up keeping, you know. So again I'm not here 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.839 to you. If anybody knows me, it's. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:40.599 You, That's what I'm saying. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.000 You and you know my crew, and you know me 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.160 as far as just how I roll. Again to the 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.560 end of the day. I'm not trying to debunk or 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.119 make everything sound nice or whatever it is. People don't 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.880 know the friendship of Mesa and me and and him, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.520 we was actually friends. And I would never ever try 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.920 to put me say, in a situation on that. And 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.200 I said friends, I didn't say we was like that 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:08.960 and we was doing all that said, yo, that was 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.320 my friend, you know, because we never really put together 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.200 as being boyfriend and girlfriend. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.520 It was just like a friend thing, you know. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.880 Okay, Now this is the part that again at the 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.800 end of the day, I didn't I was at Basil. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.000 Now I heard that she was there, but I didn't 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.080 see I didn't see her out. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.520 But but again I know she wasn't going to pick 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.880 up my phone call because again you have to let 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.720 somebody calm down and be like whatever and see because 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.200 she was getting so much stuff whatever. But she texts 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.440 my my best friend, but not it and didn't say 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.640 some nice things, you know. So again, but it was 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.800 in the beginning, you know what I'm saying. So hopefully 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.160 you know, she sees this and then I be able 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:51.840 to talk to her, you know, and say, you know, 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.280 I didn't mean to do nothing to her because she 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:55.000 is my friend. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.080 I guess I guess what this new generation, every every 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.960 damn every man on that doc looks like a you 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.040 know what I'm saying, you guys something. I know that, 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.320 but I'm saying, you got guys on the they but 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:06.360 got touched and everything. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.680 So when people see you on the doctor. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:15.000 Yeah I wasn't. I was crazy, like I didn't belong there, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.280 you know when you see everybody else was like, yo, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.880 I didn't belong to your envy. I swear I want 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.560 to do we want Superman going around the world again 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.040 and be like, you know what, I can rewind us 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.120 all back, you know what I'm saying, and do it, 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.000 do it over because everybody who saw said the same 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.959 ship what is Eric doing? 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:34.720 And that documentary? 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.040 You know, but at the end of the day, it's 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.360 like this, I can't even take this though too since 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.240 nineteen whatever eighty nine, though jests the ninety this is 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.760 my first time being this on fire. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:54.319 Like really, it's not damn music, no, no, that you 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.680 reinfinished yourself so many times. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.240 Wait in one second, I'm telling you, man, this right 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.000 here is a different type. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.680 Like I felt like now I'm telling. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.240 You, like this is the whole world, Like you couldn't 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.679 have a hit record and be around the world, but 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:16.959 you're talking about twenty three countries, number one Netflix, Okay, whatever, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.640 you gotta adjust all this and then the album coming 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.240 at the same time, I'm number one, you know on 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.720 on on iTunes, like I didn't have. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.120 This social I don't want them to know. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.960 No, no, listen, I'm not saying that. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.080 I'm just saying far as the far as me being listen, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.480 I don't want to be hot for that, neither what 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:39.920 I'm saying. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:44.160 But it did. It helped the project of Dynamic Duels. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.160 Yeah, purposely aligned hell album. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.199 It kept pushing back the album would this and just 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:56.720 this album is four years old, it was doing COVID whatever. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.960 Kevin Lyles came and got me into to what nineteen 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.319 were twenty eighteen, twenty twenty. Then after that two years 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.079 went by COVID and then all of a sudden they 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.400 buy three hundred, four hundred million after that, so you. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.000 Was signed up a three hundred right, I was signed 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:15.120 with artist, but. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.560 As a partner, you know, MB, I'm too old for 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:24.600 to be signeding somebody. So after that, whatever time went 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.760 by all of a sudden, three and a half years 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.520 went by. Then I had to get the politics of 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.839 prodig Jesus state, Nate Dogg's of state, Sean Prices of state. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.720 So all this stuff took a little time. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.040 So now we ended up here and kept coming back, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 going back, going back, and then December fifth finally happened. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.480 They was calling me doctor j all Erica's line is 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.200 never coming. And I understand because I was telling these 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.600 this lie since you know not and to them for 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.280 four years. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.280 You know, how did you get Denzel Washington to do 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:53.720 the injury? 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.480 It wasn't Denzel usc king Yo, that's my own Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:10:59.320 so he does. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.360 The impressation is so good. I literally thought, I'm like, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:08.240 You're like, I'm like, damn because. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.480 Of the okay shout out to k he is crazy. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.760 You know, you talk about your history in his music industry, right, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.319 and I think you're a forgetful person, right, because people 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.760 forget all the hits that you have, the artists that 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.560 you have, and when they have a lot of times 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.040 these conversations that you create. I feel like when they 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.880 have these conversations, they don't mention Eric Sermon enough. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.000 Do you feel that way. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.320 Yeah, I mean, listen, man, there's people that don't know 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.760 who Larry Smith is, right and Larry Smith under your 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.040 nose sucking cs Houdini. You know you're talking about you know, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.840 click Rick, you know whether this man was a genius. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.240 So when I look at that happening and then Molly 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.720 maul to not being talked about out knowing that if 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:01.320 he didn't. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.880 Sample, this will not be where we're at now too. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.800 So mb sometimes I look at that and I look 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.560 at the ones that came before, but like, damn, they 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.000 ain't talked about neither. Then Jermaine depri Tho too is 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.520 one of those two who somebody be like, you know 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.600 who was underrated? 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.760 You know what I'm saying. But again, as long as. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.800 You know and my colleagues, like when I see Parreal 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.680 and he starts bowing and stuff, you know, it makes 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.080 me know, like, okay, yo, you know I did something, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.640 so in actuality, it doesn't matter. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.600 As long as y'all know, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:30.240 I'm cool with that. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.040 But we got to show the new generation like you're 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.959 you're one of the architects of the East Coast sound period. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.560 Correct, Like like what inspired that? Sonic identity? 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:39.760 And artists on the East coast. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.640 People the new kids don't care about who's what. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.480 Yes, they do. They think Puffy victim number three, We're not. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:53.640 Going after that number five that you since one inspired that? 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.960 What inspired that? That that sounded? Did you know at 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.320 the time you were creating something new? 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.240 Well again? 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:04.560 E PMD was you know, just stop it okay? EPMD 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.880 was something that, like I said, for me in Paris, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.920 didn't know char I mean that we was was producers. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.319 We thought every record that we heard was done by 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.160 the artists, so we didn't know about the name producer. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.760 So whatever that we was making, we made thinking that 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.760 this is how it's supposed to go. So all the 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.120 records that mom had against the speaker because you went 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.080 back then. You know, you're too young to know about this, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.080 but they used to put the albums and stack them 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.640 up against the speaker or stack them up against the 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.080 or whatever wall unit you had, so that was all 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.720 lined up, so you just picked whatever you picked. My 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.840 dad had all these albums, we know, just the Whispers, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.400 you know, earth Wind, the Fire, BT Express, you know, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.560 of course Parliament, the whole nine and Paris' father had Zap, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.240 so that's where more bounce came from. So we had 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.040 all that, then all the stuff coming from Brentwood. We 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.160 had a mixture of white, Black and Puerto Rican that 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.240 we grew up with. So I knew all the rock 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.599 songs let and I knew about you know Genesis, I 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.160 knew about you know Van Halen, So we mixed all 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.079 that Zzy Top, Is you a customer? I want to 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.800 say it out there, but the but at the end 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.600 when he says, when I say, at the end, you 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.640 hear the guitar playing, you would hear the band ban 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.240 We played it for the hood. The hood said take 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.320 the guitars out, so you a customer became playing with 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.560 just a beat in the baseline. But we had the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.760 zz Top cheap sunglasses sample in it. So we had 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.920 you know Godzilla by h Man. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.200 Blew Us a Colt. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.960 All these songs we had and we knew so EPMD 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.880 was a mixture of stuff that we grew up with 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.240 and stuff that we I found in the crib, and 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.400 that became whatever the sound was with the Roger. Because 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.680 once we got the more bounce, we kept that going 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.480 and then the Parliament we kept that going. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:49.760 The thing I loved about EPMD. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.760 Y'all had like a chemistry that just was was effortless. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:59.360 Okay, everything that we did was run DMC because Runding me. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:14:59.880 Don't forget. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.920 We made the demo record pieces by demo. Me and 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.040 parents really built a sixty eight Camaro car, you know, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.600 stripped it the whole nine, got it, you know, painted 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:09.720 up by Earl Ships. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.840 You're too young for that too. Earl shot with ninety 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:12.400 nine dollars. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.360 So we get the car, go to the paint machine, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.080 get it all painted up, you know what I'm saying, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.520 and we drove it. The car overheated though, but you know, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:24.960 we got to Manhattan and and we walked to the 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.520 three labels that we found on the albums. See back 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.960 then on the albums they had the addresses. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:31.560 Up, so we walked. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.400 We just give us some old I'm fifty six years old, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.160 so you look, so you look at the situations. And 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.800 we got the address and we walked and then we 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.640 got to Fresh Records, and that's when we met you know, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:49.720 Juggie Gails and Will sockle Off and and next thing, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.360 you know, three days later we got signed on that. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.160 You know, from doing that. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.240 What was the secret to y'all y'all partnership though, and like, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.600 how did you in Paris challenge each other creatively? 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.000 Yeah? See, Paris didn't rhyme when I met him. Really, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.160 Paris was a DJ. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.520 So I came from another part of Brentwood, which was 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.040 kind of like you know, say, if the Bronx was 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.840 the Bronx, that was my side I came from. We 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.040 had GRAFFEEDI break dancing DJ and the whole ship was 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.600 hot where I was at. So when I came to 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.680 Paris's neighborhood, I was I moved to my grandmother's house. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.920 I met Paris at the bus stop and he snapped 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.880 on me too, like you know me. He didn't even 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.520 know me, but he was like, yo, what kind of 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.320 the sneakers you got on? I'm like, these are pumas. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.280 He's like, nah, those ain't the real pumas. So and 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.720 he was bold for that though, just because I didn't know. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.240 But I paid thirty dollars for him though Charlamagne, but 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.880 they didn't have the holes, so they was so baskets 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.880 was the real one I had on the Puma invaders 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.240 didn't have the whole. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:17:03.440 I know, I know, but I didn't know I had 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.200 in the leaves, I had the Tiaka shirt, I had 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.720 the output on, but I hadn't the wrong sneakers flying. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.720 I know, I thought I was I was right, and 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.639 he's like, yo, what else you got on? And again 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.520 people laughed and I was like kind of embarrassed. But 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.719 then after a while he found out I knew how 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.320 to rhyme, so he was like, yo, you know, so 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.399 I rhymed and I had the Jane story. I had 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.360 jamesince I was twelve. So when I rhand the Jaine 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.800 story though to, he was like, yo, damn, you got 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.920 something else. I'm like, yo, I got the story about 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.800 this guy named Bernard gets, you know, so I had 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.960 to burn our get story too by him shooting the 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:41.359 train up. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.560 So those are my first kind of wrap. My mother, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:45.800 God but dead. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.960 She she brung Home Rappers the Light and the break 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.040 call a patchie APATCHI had the green label on it, right, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.919 So she won these two records home, so all these 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.919 knew and again my big ass used to pop to 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.880 when I was younger, but I was of course more. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:16.200 God damn what. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:20.639 Dancing right, So listen? So other man, well just stopped, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.159 Come on, man, me and you were good friends, so 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:26.400 just stop it. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.280 On Soul Train was a guy called the Papa Long Kid, right, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.120 and he was in the Shallowmart group, so I used 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.400 to watch him on but when he was on Soul Train, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.800 so I became the Papa Long Kid too. So at 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.240 the time, you know, this is what I was doing, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.199 and the whole neighborhood was rapping. But they would let 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:46.840 me get like ten seconds on the mic, the whole 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.480 not this and that, that and this. So I really 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.119 wasn't getting off as far as on in my neighborhood 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.600 because I was young, until I moved to my grandmother's 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.880 house and then Paris gave me the shot. Paris gave 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.040 me the shot. Without Paris giving me the shot, I 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.560 would never ever been or even try to make a 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.560 record because I had a strong list, like a real 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.879 ways stronger than this. So you heard my records, you know. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.480 He said, it's like I got golf balls in my 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:13.399