1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: We are not a family that is all up in 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: each other's business. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: We never have been. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: We are very close without having the need to talk 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: or even see each other on a regular basis. It's 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: like I live my life, she lived her life, My 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: brother lives his life. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 3: It hasn't been easy to get people in Telena's life 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: to speak to me on the record. It's clear she 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: was well loved, and you've heard from some of her 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: friends already. I've reached out to many more and to 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: her family, but for whatever reason, most have been apprehensive 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: to participate. I was able to talk to Telina's sister, 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: Cheryl Jones. She called me back the day she received 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: my letter. She said she was relieved to have the 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: chance to talk about her sister. She refers to Telena 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: as Jenna, her birth name. 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: My sister kept a part of her life private from 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: the family. Tolena, I believe comes from that secret part 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: of her life. The secret part that we all knew 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: was the secret part. We just didn't know the details 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: of the secret. 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: As you may recall, Telena was part of the Gorrian community, 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: a niche group of BDSM followers who live by the 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: strict social structure outlined in the Gore Books, a sci 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: fi series where men of the dominant gender and women 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: are naturally subservient. For the better part of a decade, 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: Tealina lived as a twenty four to seventh slave to 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: her husband Tom or Master Csarius, doing whatever and acting 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: however he wished in the bedroom and outside of it. 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 4: Gore was a world of slaves and beautiful women of 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 4: human domination by the alien secret priest kings. 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 5: Did you have any sense of what the Sacred life 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: was about, like? 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: Did you get the sense that it was like sex relating? 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Yes, we kind of got it that it was something 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: along that line. 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: Yes. 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: Tolena was active online and her nieces were too. They 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: saw the types of things she posted, the term she used, 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: and eventually worked out that Tolena was part of the 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: BDSM community and that that identity was very important to her. 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: We figured it out through clues amongst us. 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: We didn't talk to her about it, and when I 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: say if, I mean me and my mom and my 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: three daughters, we. 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: Had figured out that that was the secret life. 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: One day, Cheryl heard her sister Jenna refer to herself 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: as Toelena. 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: When I first hear think Tolena. I'm like Colna, And 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: I finally got up enough nerve to. 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: Just flat out ask her, you. 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Know, where did Helena come from? But how did you 54 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: come about choosing that? And she was very evasive about it. 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: And it was also the world of Telena, the tempestuous 56 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: daughter of Bor's great warlord. She waited for the man 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: who could subdue her, the man who would be her master. 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: When Cheryl learned that Teleina legally changed her name, she 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: was surprised to find out that she kept Jenna as 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: her middle name. 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: To me, it spoke of the acknowledgment that she had 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: chewed different identities. She still identified that Jenna because Jenna 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: was her. 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: Identity to family and then the Telena. 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: I think that was probably the first time I kind 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: of really felt that the duality and her embrace of 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: the duality. 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: We all have duality in our lives, present different versions 69 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: of ourselves in different contexts. On Instagram, the image we 70 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: portray might be a lot shinier than reality. The voice 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: we adopt on a work call might be more optimistic 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: or confident we really feel. But what happens when the 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: line between our different selves becomes sharper severing the two 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: worlds when the people in one part of your life 75 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: can't protect you from the other. 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: We thought we were respecting her privacy. 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: She said she wanted this to be a private part 78 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: of her life, and we accepted that because that's the 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: kind of family we are that. I have to wonder 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: did she ultimately maybe feel a little alienated because of 81 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: that too. I think that's why she kept it from us. 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: She thought that maybe we wouldn't love her or accept her. Maybe, 83 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: And the thing was, it wouldn't have changed it at all. 84 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jelson, and this is what 85 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: happened to Tealinazar. I just took it to me that 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: if she passed away from COVID, she was at peace 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: with it because she would be with Tom. 88 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 6: How well did I adapt to being property? Well, that 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 6: depends on whether you ask me or Master, Lol. 90 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 7: We both kind of a trust. You become really vulnerable 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 7: with me, he cry. 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 8: Just because they're missing doesn't mean anything. Was the fairies? 93 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 8: So all of us wear masks? Right? 94 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: Episode five? If I go missing. 95 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: My birthday is November the fourth, and her birthday is 96 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: November the third. She was born one day before I 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: was one years old, so we were raised. 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: A lot like almost like twin. 99 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: Tealina's sister, Cheryl, is now a fifty eight year old 100 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: nurse who lives in Pennsylvania. 101 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: We grew up in Blimmington, Indiana, and then when I 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: was twelve, where she would have been eleven, my dad 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: was transferred to a place called Washington, Indiana. My parents 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: joined a Pentecostal church, and that's the way we were raised. 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: It was strict. You know, we didn't have TV in 106 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: our home growing up. He went to church and. 107 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: You went to Sunday school and those kinds of things. 108 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: Cheryl remembers to Lena as a shy kid, someone she 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: felt she had to stand up for. 110 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: I remember getting in fight. 111 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Growing up because somebody would pick on her if they 112 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: called her a name. I would have to be the 113 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: one to go and kind of shove them around when 114 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: we were kids. And then the funny thing was when 115 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: we got older as we grew up. 116 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: I am only five foot tall and she was five. 117 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: At ten, he ended up being much colored than me. 118 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: But I was a big sister when we were really young, 119 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: even though there's only a year was in our personalities. 120 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: Somehow she seemed to be. 121 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: A little more free spirited, whereas I was always like 122 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: very cask oriented and goal oriented, that kind of thing. 123 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: As kids, Cheryl and Teleina were inseparable. As adults, their 124 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 3: lives moved in different directions. Cheryl went to nursing school, 125 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: got married, and had four children before getting a divorce 126 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: and moving to Pennsylvania. Talina stayed in Indiana wandered a 127 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: bit to find her way. She joined the National Guard, 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: then got into computer programming. Like her sister, she also 129 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: got married and divorced at a young age to a 130 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: man named Russell Lovic, but she never had any kids. Instead, 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: Talina played the auntie role with glee. 132 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: I had four kids and so many would be tight es. 133 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: Firstly, run Christmas con and you know, she always made 134 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: sure my kids had Christmas. 135 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: That was one of her deals. 136 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: She would bring a whole van full of presence, you know, 137 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: and that was a good relief to us. 138 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: Cheryl's kids loved to come visit Aunt Jana, where they 139 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: were often spoiled. 140 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Navid spend weeks at her house and they always did 141 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: fun things. She'd take them one at a time, but 142 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: everyone got a turn to go and spend a couple 143 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: of weeks with Aunt Jana and do all of the 144 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: fun things that Aunt Jana could. 145 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: Talina's close relationship with her three nieces, Cherie, Chantal, and 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: Chelsea continued into their adulthoods. The girls all settled in 147 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: the Indianapolis area, close to Teleina and most of their 148 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: extended family. Even after Teleina moved to Oklahoma, she made 149 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 3: a point to visit frequently. 150 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Jana came through Indiana every two three four months, three 151 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: four times a year. 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: By twenty twenty, Cheryl and Telena had fallen out of touch, 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: and so when her little sister goes missing, she hasn't 154 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: spoken to her in almost three years, but her daughters 155 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 3: are in regular contact with Tealina. Teleina was especially close 156 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: with Chantal, Cheryl's middle daughter. They both had office jobs 157 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: and so it was common for them to send messages 158 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: back and forth throughout the workday. In late March, during 159 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: the start of the COVID lockdown, Talina and Chantal are 160 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: chatting like usual. 161 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: It just happened that her and Chantelle, my middle daughter, 162 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: have been communicating throughout the day on Facebook, which is 163 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: something they often did. 164 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: Then Telena messages Chantal that she has to go. She's 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: tired and has a headache. 166 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: She was going to lay down for a while and 167 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: said that she would chat with her later. The next 168 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: day she's not online, and then the next day she's 169 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: not online, and then the next day she's not online, 170 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: and so then she began to try to didn't get 171 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: an answer, did get an answer, She didn't contact Scherie, 172 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: the oldest one, and she's telling SCHERI, I think something's 173 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: wrong here. 174 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: Then on April seventh, Chantal sees Telena's Facebook post I'll. 175 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 6: Catch up with everyone on the other side now. 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: When they decided that they needed to tell the family 177 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: that something was going. 178 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: On, Chantale tells her mom, there's no way Telena wrote 179 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: the post. She thinks someone else must have. 180 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, what makes you think it's not Dianna? 181 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: She said, this was sloppy, not at all, not at 182 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: all like anything Janna would have written or the way 183 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: she'd have written it. 184 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: She was alarmed immediately. 185 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: Once the whole family is in the loop about Telena's disappearance, 186 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: they start comparing notes trying to work out the last 187 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: time anyone had any real contact with her. The date 188 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: they come up with is March twenty seventh, that's the 189 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: day chantal was last Facebook messaging with her aunt. 190 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: And now we're up to near two weeks later. My 191 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: immediate gut response was this is not good. 192 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: I just knew this was not good. 193 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: Of all the crazy things my sister would do and 194 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: flighty things and air brain things she might do, just 195 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: totally dropping off the face of the earth, he is 196 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: not one of them. 197 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: A few days later, the Wagner County Sheriff's Department calls 198 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: to Lena's family and speaks to her mother and brother. 199 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: I did it, being probably close to two hour talk 200 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: with the both of them, and it was the questions 201 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: that she would normally expect. Is there any place you 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: can think of she might have gone, Are there any 203 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: friends somewhere that she. 204 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: Might have gone to visit? What would she normally do? 205 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: And of course wended you laugh talk career. 206 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: Tealina's family, who are spread out across multiple states, face 207 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: a difficult question. Should they go to Wagner, Oklahoma to 208 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: look for Tealina themselves in the middle of COVID lockdowns? 209 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: You know, so we had to wrestle around, well do 210 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: we stay here and wage did somebody go out there? 211 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: That was really hard and we were torn about it. 212 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: Even if they went, they didn't know where to start looking. 213 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: Talina had kept so much of her life their secret. 214 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: She made it clear her life with these group of 215 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: friends were her and Tom's private matter. And that's what 216 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: made it so difficult, because we don't know this part 217 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: of her life. 218 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: Cheryl and her family knew of only one person in 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: Wagner that Talina had ever mentioned. 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: She talked about Mario Pine. She had one hundred pictures 221 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: of Marthy and her food. They were the best friends. 222 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 8: Day were so close. 223 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: But the last time they'd seen Teleina she told them 224 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: that Marty was out of the picture. 225 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 9: And she says, Marty and I are not friends and 226 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 9: I don't want to talk about it. 227 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: And like, oh, we've heard. 228 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 9: About this Marty for freaking last five years, and all 229 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 9: of a sudden, boom, Marty's gone. No explanation, No, this 230 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 9: is what happened. Marty's gone. 231 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 7: I was questioning him as early as beginning of May. 232 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: This is Jess, our internet sleuth in Minnesota. A few 233 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: weeks into her own investigation. She's also discovering that Telena 234 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: and Marty's relationship may not have been exactly how he 235 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: described it, and she's beginning to suspect that he's been 236 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: lying to her, which is tough because they've become very close, 237 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: very fast. 238 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 7: I probably spent six plus hours a day on FaceTime 239 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 7: or the phone with him or texting about what we knew, theories, 240 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 7: who we'd talked to. We talked about a lot of stuff. 241 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 7: I mean, some of our conversations weren't even about Telena. 242 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 7: They were about life. Like we had conversations about when 243 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 7: his mom was murdered. His mom was murdered in front 244 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 7: of him, and he got really vulnerable with me. And sometimes, 245 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 7: like trauma, bonding is a thing. Talking about stuff like 246 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 7: that with somebody, you get close really quick. 247 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: When Marty talks about his relationship with Telena, he makes 248 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: it seem as though they were extremely close, the best 249 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: of friends. But Jess is learning new information that introduces 250 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: some ambiguity into the picture. For one, she finds out 251 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: from another friend of Tolena's that Marty had allegedly stolen 252 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: from Telena a few months before her disappearance. 253 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 7: I'd heard from Rachel that in December, Marty had stolen 254 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 7: from Telena. Telena didn't exactly tell her what kind of 255 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 7: theft it was, but she had told Rachel that Marty 256 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 7: was no longer welcome in her home. 257 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: Jess also suspects that Telena had been helping Marty out 258 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: financially for a while. 259 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 7: My thoughts at the time were that he was taking 260 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 7: advantage of Telena monetarily wise, because there was at one 261 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 7: point where he said, I missed my Teleina wife. You know, 262 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 7: if I went over there and I was upset, she 263 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 7: would slip some money into my pocket and make things better. 264 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 7: So I mean that sat with me kind of funny, 265 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 7: like she was financially supporting them, and there was a 266 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 7: bunch of stuff that he said she would help him, 267 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 7: quote unquote help him with. Where I think his idea 268 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 7: was help was her fully funding it. 269 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: As Marty explains to Jess, he suffers from chronic pain 270 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: and addiction has had a hard time holding down a job. 271 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: On one of their calls, Marty even goes so far 272 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: as to ask Jess for some money for his pain medication. 273 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: But that's a line Jess isn't willing to cross. According 274 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: to Jess, Marty said Telena would sometimes pay his phone 275 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: and water bills, even chip in for his meds. 276 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 7: He needed painkillers, and she felt for him because she 277 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 7: was kind of a bleeding heart with people, and probably 278 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: gave him the money to help him alleviate some of 279 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 7: his pain. And he was in treatment several times for 280 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 7: illegal drugs dependency of them. 281 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: Things were messy between Marty and Telena. But when I 282 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: asked Jess about Marty and Tellina's friendship ending abruptly just 283 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: before her disappearance, Jess didn't think it was that black 284 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: and white. As far as she could tell, the two 285 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: had been communicating regularly. 286 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 7: I don't know if she was willing to forgive him 287 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: for whatever it happened, or maybe he had paid her back. 288 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 7: The relationship was strained, but I don't know if she 289 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 7: was willing to forgive or she was so used to 290 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 7: that master slave relationship that they had all enjoyed. I 291 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 7: can't speak to her feelings. I never actually talked to 292 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 7: Tulina and Marty. I don't feel as a reliable source anymore. 293 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: By the pandemic's start, it looks as though Corey, not Marty, 294 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: had become the primary recipient of Toleina's generosity. According to 295 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: Jess's research, Corey was living free in Telena's home. She 296 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: used Toelena's cars to get around, and while she worked 297 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: odd jobs, it was Toelena's steady paycheck that provided the 298 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: household income. It seems in those crucial months before Toelina's disappearance, 299 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: the people in her close orbit were shifting places. Marty 300 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: Starr was fading and Corey's was ascending. 301 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 7: She did remove him from her will and change it 302 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 7: to Corey. 303 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: I was able to get a hold of a copy 304 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: of Telena's will. 305 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 6: I Telena Jenna Galloway of Wagner County, Oklahoma, being of 306 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 6: full age and of sound mind and disposing memory, but 307 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 6: sensitive of the uncertainties of life and desiring which may 308 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 6: positions of the prophet mind may die. If you want missing, 309 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 6: I appoint Corey Bamile Adams to serve as the personal 310 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 6: representative of my estate. 311 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 3: The sleuths feels certain that Corey had something to do 312 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: with Telena's disappearance. I mean, becoming the beneficiary of someone 313 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 3: else's estate months before they go missing, that's motive one 314 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: oh one. They've also heard through the grapevine about Corey 315 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: burning Telena's mattress, selling her items on eBay, and Corey's 316 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 3: criminal past suggests she's no stranger to lying and manipulation. 317 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: But what about Marty To the sleuths, he presents himself 318 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: as someone who's also suspicious of Corey, even though they're friends. 319 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 3: He tells the sleuths he'll use his friendship with Corey 320 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: to try to get more information. Here's Brittany. 321 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 10: He was like, I've been talking to Corey, trying to 322 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 10: get Hurt to tell me what happened. He said at 323 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 10: one point he'd he's Ben drove by the house to 324 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 10: see if he saw anything weird, and that ahead of Corey. 325 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: But the sleuths aren't sure if he's being entirely transparent 326 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: about his relationship with Corey either. Here's Rosie. 327 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 5: I felt like he would give us half truth and 328 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 5: then backtrack on things, and some of the stories that 329 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 5: he told me I couldn't verify in any sort of 330 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 5: legal records anywhere. He wanted us to believe him so 331 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: much that it felt like he was hiding something. 332 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: And they're hearing rumors from other people in Wagner that 333 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 3: contradict how Marty describes his relationship with Corey. 334 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 5: I remember he had said that he had gone over 335 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 5: there and really laid into her and yelled at her, 336 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: and the neighbor reported something completely different, that it was 337 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: like a friendly interaction, and you know, it just felt 338 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 5: he was very much trying to control the story. 339 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: Jess, as usual, cuts to the chase. 340 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 7: I questioned about why he played both sides of the 341 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 7: fence with Team Telena and then Corey, because he'd always 342 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 7: have good terms with her, and he'd keep telling me, well, 343 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 7: I have to play nice. You catch more flies with 344 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 7: Honey than you do Vinegar. I have to, you know, 345 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 7: play nice with Corey because then maybe she'll tell me something. 346 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: Just suspects maybe they're in cahoots, maybe Marty's telling Corey 347 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: everything they're telling him, And Jess tells him that too. 348 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 7: Anybody that plays both sides of the fence is definitely 349 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 7: not your friend. And so I told him that. I said, 350 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 7: I can't sit here and confide in you about what 351 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 7: we're finding about Corey and all these people that are 352 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 7: coming to us with information when I feel like you're 353 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 7: going to feed it right back to her. You know, 354 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 7: you come to us and you say, oh, Corey's doing this, 355 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 7: and I'm outside the house watching or do that, and 356 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 7: then I find out from somebody in Wagner that they 357 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 7: seen you guys at the gas station together, down by 358 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 7: the lake together, or that you were sitting outside the house, 359 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 7: or that you went into the house. Like it was 360 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 7: a constant questioning. 361 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 5: Because Jess was the person who was calling and asking 362 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 5: the questions, it really took up a lot of her 363 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 5: time emotionally and mentally, and I'm sure that it was 364 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 5: draining for her to try to keep all of that straight. 365 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: Jess is starting to feel exhausted. The investigation is hard work, 366 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: so is changing her persona with each new source she 367 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: reaches out to, trying to get them to open up, 368 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: trying to find the thing that's going to crack the 369 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: case wide open. Sometimes she pretends she knew Telena. Other 370 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 3: times she gives fake backstories to gain access. 371 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 7: I lied to a lot of people, a lot friends 372 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 7: of Telena's, friends of Marty's. I mean, I just lied 373 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 7: my way into their life. I manipulated them. 374 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: Can you give some examples of like the kind of 375 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: lies we're talking about, Well. 376 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 7: There's a lot, Oh, I know so and so, you know, 377 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 7: I lie about who I knew, or I think I'm 378 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 7: one of the things I had said. I was a 379 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 7: private investigator, which is a huge lie, but it's a 380 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 7: lie none the less. I told people that I got 381 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 7: their information from a friend of a friend, when i'd 382 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 7: actually like use an app online to get their information. 383 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: When Jess told me all of this that she lied 384 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: to get information out of people, I had to wonder 385 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: could I trust her to be completely truthful with me? 386 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: After all, in her very first email, she had mischaracterized 387 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: her relationship to Tealina, saying she was her friend. Over 388 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 3: the year I spent reporting this story, I've tried to 389 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: confirm every detail just told me. In some cases I 390 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: only have her account to rely on, but her version 391 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: of events has held up. I believe she's been honest 392 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: about everything that transpired and when it reflected negatively on her, 393 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 3: and she's been especially candid when talking about the personal 394 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: toll of all of this. 395 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 7: The whole thing seemed kind of Sometimes I felt like 396 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 7: I was in over my head. 397 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: Talina's case is consuming Jess day and night. She's strategizing 398 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: with her fellow sleuths, managing Marty, and sharing her findings 399 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: with the Wagner County Sheriff's Office, whose reaction to her 400 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: tips vary depending on the day and their level of 401 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 3: patience and for what. Sometimes the absurdity of the whole 402 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: endeavor catches her off guard. What is she even doing 403 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: trying to solve a missing person's case involving a woman 404 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: she never met. Jess keeps meticulous notes of her investigation 405 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: and her feelings about all of it. Here's a little 406 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: glimpse of her writing from this time. 407 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 7: The days are becoming blurred. I talk too much to 408 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 7: too many people. All I wanted was to find a 409 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 7: missing woman. Want I ended up with with so much more. 410 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 7: My days are spent researching people, connecting dots that may 411 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 7: not even be there, and chain smoking. I sit back 412 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 7: with my seeming cup of coffee and think, how did 413 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 7: this happen? 414 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: More than just her time and energy has just put 415 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: herself in actual danger. She's now entangled with people whose 416 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: true nature and capabilities she doesn't know. One day, she 417 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: gets some threatening texts from a former Gorrian master she'd 418 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: reached out to. 419 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 7: He sent me his id and a knife and called 420 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 7: me a Gorrian slave and said he was going to 421 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 7: come get me. 422 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: Another time, a gruff stranger comes into her bar, and 423 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: something about him, his accent, the way he talks to 424 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: her makes her extremely uncomfortable. She's not sure is she 425 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: being paranoid, just decides to take some precautions. She gets 426 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: a concealed Carrie permit and a gun based on advice 427 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: she finds online. Justin Rosie create quote if I Go 428 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: Missing folders, complete with a list of older passwords, photos 429 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: of scars and tattoos, and the names of friends and 430 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: family with descriptions of their relationships for safekeeping. The two 431 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: women who first connected mere weeks ago, share these confidential 432 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: documents with each other. 433 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 5: Like my if I Go Missing file, Yeah, Like it 434 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 5: just felt like something that we should do, Like at 435 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: some point it kind of our eyes kind of opened 436 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 5: that you know, I don't I had never given that 437 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: information to anyone other than my husband, and I don't 438 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 5: think she had done the same. And so just to 439 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 5: have someone like outside of the bubble of people who 440 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: we usually interact with, to be like if I go miss, 441 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 5: saying call the cops and tell them X y Z, 442 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: Like it just felt like at that moment, like it 443 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 5: just felt like that made sense to share with each other. 444 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 5: And I still have her information and I know she 445 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 5: still has mine. 446 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: Whatever reservations just has She's undeterred and she has a 447 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: feeling that this will all come to a close soon. 448 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: It has to. Surely the cops have enough evidence to 449 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 3: at least detain Corey. 450 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: Were you scared at all? Did you feel like? 451 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 3: What have I What kind of characters have I gotten 452 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: myself involved with? 453 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 10: No? 454 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 7: Hmm, I was angry with her. I was just on 455 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 7: a mission to take her down. I wasn't scared, so 456 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 7: I was mad. I think all of us were mad. 457 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 7: We were like, what the hell? It's plain as day 458 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 7: what she's doing right, Like she might as well have 459 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 7: a guilty light flashing on her forehead. 460 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: They're all waiting for something to happen, for an arrest, 461 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 3: for a bit break in the case, for Telena to 462 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: be found alive or dead. Meanwhile, Jess continues her daily, 463 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 3: no hourly check ins with Marty, who's growing more erratic 464 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: and confused. 465 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 7: And then at nine point twenty, he says, I've been 466 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 7: sitting here trying to find myself. I said, what do 467 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 7: you mean, and he said, I am trying not to 468 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 7: admit the man that I am. I said, you need 469 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 7: to get some sleep, but I can't get past the 470 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 7: things I've done and should have stopped a long time ago. 471 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: Often it seems to Jess he's drunk or high when 472 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: they're on the phone or texting. 473 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 7: I said, you didn't sleep last night. Just sleep on it. 474 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 7: Nothing's going to change if you sleep, aside from your 475 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 7: state of mind. And he said, she can't get away 476 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 7: with this. I can't live with this anymore. And I 477 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 7: said she won't. The police are onto her, so is 478 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 7: everybody else. He said, I love you, thank you for 479 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 7: all you've done. 480 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 3: And then late one night, while sitting on the couch, 481 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: she gets a call from Marty. 482 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 7: He was sitting outside Telena's house and he was drunk 483 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 7: and high, and you could always tell when he was drunk. 484 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 7: He was slurry and just I wondered how he had 485 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 7: driven there right. I said, what are you doing? And 486 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 7: he said, I've got my ar and if she comes outside, 487 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 7: and I was like, get home, like, you can't. You 488 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 7: can't kill somebody like that's He goes, well, she killed 489 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: my Teleina wife. And I said, if you know that, 490 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 7: let's get the sheriffs, like, let's let's do this. You can't. 491 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 7: You can't just kill somebody like that's not I know 492 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 7: you're mad, but let's get her in trouble, right, Let's 493 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 7: call the police. Let's get the sheriffs out there. If 494 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 7: you have something. He goes, I know Selena's dating. 495 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: It's male eventh twenty twenty and Detective Joel Webber is 496 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: at Telena and Corey's house once more. This time he's 497 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: there to use a chemical called blue Star forensic spray 498 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: in the garage. This spray causes blood to glow blue. 499 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen it on TV shows. Corey shows 500 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: the officers into the garage and tells them that her 501 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: dogs had recently peed on the concrete. She'd attempted to 502 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: clean it up using a combination of chemicals she had 503 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: around the house bleach, pine soal, lime powder, and kitty litter, 504 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: the ladder of which is sprinkled around the garage floor, 505 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: still visible to officers. They get to spraying and the 506 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: results are instantaneous. The floor glows. There's a large area 507 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: in the center of the garage, maybe two feet in 508 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: the same place where some of the kitty litter is. 509 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: The visual is striking, but officers know it's not conclusive 510 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: of anything. Bleach is also known to make blue Star react, 511 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: so for now, the officers take photos and samples of 512 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: the floor to be tested for DNA. A week later, 513 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: where he goes to the Sheriff's office for her scheduled 514 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: polygraph appointment. She's volunteered for a lie detector test in 515 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: an effort to help police rule her out as a suspect. 516 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 11: I I would shake your hand, but I'll give an 517 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 11: elbow to you. 518 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: The polygraph is being administered by Scott Miller, who works 519 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: for the Department of Public Safety. This is a recreation 520 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: of some of their interview. 521 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 8: I don't think this is a I don't think you're 522 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 8: a suspect. I think we're here to clear you, right. 523 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 11: Yeah, to my knowledge, there's not even a crime at 524 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 11: this point. What we are trying to do is just 525 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 11: clear me from my end, because I was the last 526 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 11: person to see her, at least to see her in 527 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 11: our residence. I'm here on my own accord because I've 528 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 11: been through six weeks of grief and i just want 529 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 11: the grief to end. 530 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: Miller attaches the instrument to her body. There's a cuff 531 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: on her arm to watch the dips and rises in 532 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: her blood pressure, two electrodes on her fingers to measure 533 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: her pulse and sweat production. And two tubes wrapped around 534 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: her chest to track changes in breathing. Miller explains he's 535 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: going to ask her a series of questions multiple times. 536 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: He instructs her to be truthful except for one question 537 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: where she's supposed to purposefully lie. This helps the machine 538 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: establish the way Corey's body reacts to deception. The question 539 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: she's supposed to lie about uses the phrase quote in 540 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: your entire life. 541 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 8: Here we go. This portion of the test is about 542 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 8: to begin. Please remain still. Do you understand I will 543 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 8: only ask you the questions we discussed. Yes. Regarding the 544 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 8: questions about whether or not you harmed Telena, do you 545 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 8: intend to answer each question truthfully? Yes? Are you now 546 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 8: currently sitting down? 547 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 548 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 8: In your entire life? Have you ever told even one 549 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 8: lie about something embarrassing? No? Since April fifth, have you 550 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 8: participated in any harm of Teleina? 551 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 10: No? 552 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 8: Do you sometimes drink water? Yes? 553 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: It goes on and on like this, with Miller repeating 554 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: the questions. 555 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 8: Are the lights currently on in this room? Yes? In 556 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 8: your entire life, have you ever told even one lie? 557 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 10: No? 558 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 8: Since April fifth, have you harmed Telena? No? Are you 559 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 8: currently sitting down? Yes? In your entire life have you 560 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 8: even told one lie to someone who trusted you? No? 561 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 8: Since April fifth, have you participated in any harm and 562 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 8: of Teleina? No? Do you sometimes drink water? Yes? In 563 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 8: your entire life? Have you ever told even one lie 564 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 8: about something embarrassing? 565 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 5: No? 566 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 8: Do you know for sure who harmed Telena? No? 567 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: They finish up. By this point, Corey's been in the 568 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: interview room for over three hours. Miller reads through the 569 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 3: results and he tells Corey they need to talk about 570 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: what the machine found. 571 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 8: Yeah. So, I've looked at it. We've had three clean 572 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 8: charts there at the end, but you were having problems 573 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 8: on two of the questions, which two? Did you harm Telena? 574 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 8: And did you do you know for sure who harmed Telena? 575 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 8: Those were two you had significant reactions to. 576 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 11: Really, Yeah, so I wonder if I don't know, if 577 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 11: you know, there are just so many scenarios that go 578 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 11: through your mind. I try and not think about things 579 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 11: when I'm answering questions. 580 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say. 581 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 8: I don't know the answerment here is, you know what, 582 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 8: it doesn't like you, and it doesn't dislike you. It 583 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 8: just reads your body and tells me you were deceptive 584 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 8: on those two questions. 585 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 3: When Corey doesn't offer any explanations, Miller gives her some 586 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 3: hypothetical stories. Maybe there was an argument, an accident. Corey says, no, 587 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: Maybe Toelina wanted to end her life and someone helped her. 588 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: And maybe it wasn't even. 589 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 8: Corey barn a stranger. If you suspected something like that happened, 590 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 8: not the nefarious stuff, but helping someone out. Who would 591 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 8: be the people you would suspect the most. 592 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 11: I mean, Marty is the most obvious one. I mean 593 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 11: everyone would say it's Marty. 594 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: And she adds there was a recent rift between Marty 595 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: and Telena, you. 596 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 11: Know, and the only animosity there towards the end is Marty. 597 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 11: Marty has had had a falling out this year because 598 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 11: of he was originally the executor for her estate, and 599 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 11: he was called several times stealing meds or he almost 600 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 11: got a her car repossessed because he claimed it was 601 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 11: his own on a bank loan, and then just a 602 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 11: few other things where Telena came to me about year 603 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 11: and a half ago and said, I can't trust him. 604 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 3: Even so, Corey says she doesn't think Marty would hurt Toe. 605 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 3: Lena Miller says the detectives will talk to him if 606 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 3: they haven't already. Their conversation wraps up, he tells Corey 607 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: that while she didn't do so well on the test, 608 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 3: she's free to go. Detective Weber will be in touch soon. 609 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: Lie detectors are unreliable in Oklahoma and many other places. 610 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: They aren't allowed as evidence in court. Mostly cops use 611 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 3: them as a tool to get people to confess, and 612 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: Corey didn't, so they can't arrest her. But then Weber 613 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: finds evidence that changes their whole understanding of the timeline 614 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: of events, and he presents that evidence to a judge 615 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: in order to get a search warrant. 616 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 12: This investigation has been unable to locate anyone that spoke 617 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 12: with Telena or saw her since the twenty seventh of 618 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 12: March twenty twenty. 619 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: She was going to get that bed to us. 620 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 12: She was checking to see. 621 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 2: If we're coming to get the best this weekend. 622 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: Her and Chantel had been communicating throughout the day on 623 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 1: face that Jana had signed off. 624 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: She was going to lay down for a while and 625 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 2: said that she would chat with her later. 626 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 12: This leaves to Lena unaccounted for for a full ten 627 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 12: days before Corey says to Lena left home. 628 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 7: That next morning, the twenty eighth, I got a message 629 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 7: that said, abort mission. 630 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 2: I've got a terrible migraine. I'm saying in bed. 631 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 6: Today, abort mission. I've got a terrible migraine. I've been 632 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 6: staying in bed today, bed today. 633 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 12: It has been discovered that Corey called in sick for 634 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 12: Toelena to work on Monday, March thirty, twenty twenty, and 635 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 12: told them she would not be at work for the 636 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 12: remainder of the week. 637 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 6: My weekend migraine developed into a fever last night and 638 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 6: it is currently hovering around around one hundred point five. 639 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 12: Another recently obtained screenshot from Telena's Facebook page on March 640 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 12: thirty shows Talina saying she called her doctor and was 641 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 12: told to stay in bed and self medicate. 642 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 8: I called my. 643 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 6: Doctor and was told to stay in bed and stay 644 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 6: hydrated and self. 645 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: Medicate and call back or go to the er if 646 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: my temper reaches is one o two. 647 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 12: We know this is untrue because of the information obtained 648 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 12: while at the Wagner Community Hospital. 649 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 6: I think Oklahoma's medical artistet has stretched sin right now. 650 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 7: Stretched thin. 651 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 12: Subsequently, it was discovered there is no record that Telena 652 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 12: ever went to the Wagner Community Hospital or was ever seen, 653 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 12: even though Corey states she drove to Lena there herself. 654 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 12: It is verified that the hospital documented everyone that was screened, 655 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 12: including people that were not admitted to the hospital. 656 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 6: Those of you who know me well know why I 657 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 6: have DNR orders and my health directive, and I'm not 658 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 6: going to let anyone into be any. 659 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 12: This investigation recently discovered Internet usage on Telena's cellular phone 660 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 12: stopped at two fifteen pm on April seven, but the 661 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 12: final Facebook post on Telena's account indicates she was quote 662 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 12: almost there unquote at three point fifteen pm the same day. 663 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: Didn't feel up to driving, so hired a ride. I'm 664 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 2: almost there. After I post this, I am turning off 665 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: my phone. 666 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 12: This final post appears suspicious and unlikely to have come 667 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 12: from Telena or her cellular phone. 668 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 11: Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time 669 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 11: on the link with Tom. 670 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 12: Probable cause exists that Corey fabricated a final Facebook post 671 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 12: on Telena Galloway's account. 672 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. 673 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 6: I'll catch up with everyone on the other side. 674 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 12: Given the numerous fabrications, offered by Corey and areas of 675 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 12: suspicion surrounding Corey. I believe it is likely she was 676 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 12: or has been involved in the disappearance of Telena Galloway. 677 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 11: I am thankful and green rateful that I do have 678 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 11: someone watching out for me. 679 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: And running the household. 680 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: Next time on What Happened to Telenazar, things get wild 681 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 3: in Wagner. 682 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 2: Out of instinct, I grabbed for my pistol, but I. 683 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 3: Did not have, and Jess's investigation reaches a fever pitch. 684 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 7: One of the last conversations Wolfe and I had had 685 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 7: he was extremely drunken high and he's I can't believe 686 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 7: you figured it out. 687 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 3: What Happened to Tealinazar is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 688 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 3: It's written, reported, and hosted by me Melissa Jelson, with 689 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 3: writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. 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