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Speaker 3: Indeed we do. It is a election day twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Lots of interesting races to dive into with our friend

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Speaker 2: City mayoral race. Trump is intervening in a big way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think of tonight, they'll be in New York.

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Speaker 2: I will be at home holding down the Ford and

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Speaker 3: Victory yeah, party, well just call it a party. Well party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll get the you know, the vibe from

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Speaker 2: Republicans as well. One more thing before we bring in

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Speaker 2: our guest. Dick Cheney is dead at age what eighty.

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Speaker 1: Three, eighty four, eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Uh. You know they say if you have

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Speaker 2: We are joined in studio today by our great friend

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Speaker 3: Down the big races that are happening today.

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Speaker 4: Great to see Logan, Hey, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Good to see man. It's been a year, crazy year.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, let's go ahead and take a

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Speaker 2: listen to Harry Enton did a breakdown of the big

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Speaker 5: Out of that, Democrats lead all the key races. You

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Speaker 5: Look at what has happened when Democrats sweep New York City,

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Speaker 2: So reacting to that, you know those sort of broad

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Speaker 2: do you see Trump as being a major factor in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Donald Trump's definitely a major factor, and he's at

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Speaker 4: That being saidral disague with Harry is.

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Speaker 6: How much we can take those combinations because Virginia used

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Speaker 1: That's a very good now that it usually right because

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Speaker 1: Please let's put the New Jersey governor's race to me,

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Speaker 1: What are the dynamics of this race that make it

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Speaker 6: Uh, there's a tendency among Northeast voters, but also carries

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Speaker 4: You're going to cross over see Trelie.

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Speaker 6: Even though he's been linking with Trump alumore, this time

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Speaker 6: It's why he managed to do so well last time

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Speaker 6: and overperform expectations. So Seachli's pub putting a race and

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Speaker 6: It might not be in play at all, but it's

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Speaker 6: still just really tough to win a blue leaning state,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's let's put up the eighth three guys,

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Speaker 2: if you have just the New Jersey ones, or we

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Speaker 2: Polymarket odds of you know, for each of these races

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Speaker 3: You know, Zoran is it.

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Speaker 2: Ninety one percent? Personally, thank Coleomo is probably a little

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Speaker 2: overrated at nine percent at this point, but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Put the next one up on the screen. We've got

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Speaker 2: Virginia Abigail Spamberger basically a lock ninety nine percent chance

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Speaker 2: one here in New Jersey Mikey Cheryl though. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even though we've had polling that's pretty close and Republicans

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Speaker 2: she has still got an eighty seven percent chance of

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Speaker 2: So what are people seeing that are making them feel

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think part of it's just the history

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 6: You know, so New Jersey and Virginia just have this

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. I think that that broadly just seems

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Speaker 1: Let's put your Virginia prediction the twenty twenty five Virginia

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Speaker 1: we have some ninety eight point seven percent chants according

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's contrast between New Jersey Right. New Jersey.

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Speaker 6: You have two candidates a look highly competent that both

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Speaker 6: I mean in Virginia are kind of a long shot.

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Speaker 6: The candidate that's been pretty unpopular, it's been tarnished byre

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Speaker 6: here and honestly, above all else, I think what made

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Speaker 6: that if you're in Virginia, either you lost your job,

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Speaker 1: Right and right now, you know probably fifteen twenty people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this shutdown is not good, I think for the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's not gonn effect that mindset of everyone

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Speaker 1: That's very true. I think it's an important point. So

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's going to be decided probably by the reluctant J.

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Speaker 6: And I think this is this is part of being

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Speaker 2: That maybe you're not in love with but partisan feeling

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Speaker 3: I personally have not yet cast my balody. Got to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to do it today.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think above all, it's right, it's really

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Speaker 4: That the Democrats are voting early in my higher numbers.

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Speaker 6: However, like I think you'd want to see something with

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Speaker 1: See, yeah, I think that's the key is as you said,

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Speaker 1: you flagged this. This is from a Virginia analyst and

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Speaker 1: This also means probably a comfortable win for Democrats in

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Speaker 1: At all. Meanwhile, Democrats in the House are looking at

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Speaker 1: If we went by early mail in voting, Democrats would

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Speaker 4: He says.

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Speaker 1: If you nailed me down to a specific number, I

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, these are the elections where you are able

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Speaker 4: Yeah, think about.

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Speaker 6: It this way, right, like it basically, whoever is the

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Speaker 6: And so this is kind of similar to Glenn Youngkin

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the New Jersey turnout. Even

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Speaker 3: We've not got so Yeah, everybody forgive us put a

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Speaker 2: This is from an election analyst who's been taking a

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Speaker 3: You know, Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Also, their coalition has shifted much more towards the type

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we've been seeing this in special elections

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: If you were to see like how much each one

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Speaker 4: National Environment Wow.

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Speaker 6: Right, So we're talking about just with the special election

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, Okay, So extrapolate that to the House. What

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Speaker 6: Well, if you do that in the House, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably win the Senate.

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Speaker 6: Now, I don't think you're going to say that we

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Speaker 6: but it's a really good sign for Democrats. It won't

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Speaker 6: where to keep if they overperform all their metrics in

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Speaker 3: We'll talk a little bit more about that.

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Speaker 2: How predictive are the margins in these you know, because

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Speaker 2: How predictive has that been of you know, national performance.

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Speaker 3: In the past.

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Speaker 4: It's a little helpful.

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Speaker 6: It's a good like general trajectory of this is better

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Speaker 2: Well, for example, I mean Glenn Youngken one in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: But also the special elections if we stick on that

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Speaker 6: And I think that twenty twenty two is a perfect

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Speaker 4: It changed after Roe v. Wade.

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Speaker 6: All of a sudden, the special elections started going wildly different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just looking yesterday at these numbers. I

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Speaker 2: And still in twenty eighteen, his party did not do

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Speaker 3: You know, how much has.

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Speaker 2: The economy I know we talked about Trump is like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a huge switch in terms of

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Speaker 6: This time around, it seems like it's almost reversed that

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: The storyline, which is justifiably so, is that Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: But there's a big slice of his.

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Speaker 6: Voters when you ask them like not just do you

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Speaker 1: what tens of millions of people who are self identified

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Speaker 1: like Trump, curious or voted for Trump, but they don't

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Speaker 1: self identify as MAGA in the race, which is literally

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Speaker 1: the swing part of the election that everyone's always talking

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Speaker 1: about for independence, like going into these these types of

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Speaker 1: elections who certainly might vote Democrat or they may just

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Speaker 1: not turn out. I mean, that's what I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of the story could be as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 6: I Mean, the only the problem for dens right is

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Speaker 6: that they're not particularly popular either, So they have this

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Speaker 6: amazing potential to pick up, especially all of these young

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Speaker 6: voters that might have wandered away. But while they might

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Speaker 6: not like what Republicans are doing only slightly like Democrats.

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Speaker 6: More so, if they can change that, like, they could

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Speaker 6: potentially get a huge advantage with them again, maybe even endures,

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Speaker 6: which is the trajectory they seem to be on a

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Speaker 6: few years ago. But that's not going to happen automatically now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you can do that in a midterm,

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Speaker 6: but by twenty twenty eight, that seems to me the

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Speaker 6: most important thing for them to be able to take

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Speaker 6: back the white right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to increase their own popularity.

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Speaker 2: Well, in speaking of young voters, we're going to dig

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Speaker 2: more into the dynamics of the New York City mayoral

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Speaker 2: race in a bid and you know, take a look

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Speaker 2: at what this means for the future Democratic Party, Trump

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Speaker 2: and are meeting all of that. But we can put

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Speaker 2: a five up on the screen because it certainly looks

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Speaker 2: like Zoron is once again remaking the electorate in New

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Speaker 2: York City, and you know, a much younger electorate than

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Speaker 2: we've seen in the past. We saw this in the

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Speaker 2: primary as well. So far, eighteen to twenty nine year

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Speaker 2: olds have voted at a rate of one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty percent of what their turnout was back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. So already before election day comes, they have

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Speaker 2: s asked the you know, the numbers that they put

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Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty one for the entire election, and

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Speaker 2: you can kind of see, you know, as you as

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Speaker 2: you get older, as the demographics get older, they're voting

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Speaker 2: at lower percentages compared to what they did in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Now, again, election day will be ultimately determinative,

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Speaker 2: but you know, not a lot here to give hope

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Speaker 2: to the CUOMO stands that there's going to be some

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Speaker 2: you know, shocking upset, some secret hidden Cuomo vote here

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Speaker 2: at the end of the night, unless there's just way

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Speaker 2: more eighteen to twenty nine year olds who are excited

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Speaker 2: about the disgraced former governor than we really anticipate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think your spot on when you said the

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Speaker 6: eight percent was a little too high for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's like free dollars for ninety two cents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you don't see is there anything in

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Speaker 2: the data there that would indicate anything weird happening?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll give you one thing. I mean, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 6: stretching here a little bit. There was a mass of

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Speaker 6: pulling miss in the primary. Right, mayor races are a

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Speaker 6: little weirder to pull. It's a three way race. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: so I feel like there's more room for things to

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Speaker 6: go awry. That being said, there's considerably more polls. It's

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Speaker 6: not a primary anymore. And like, I'm just not seeing

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Speaker 6: the signals. Cuomo clearly is not the same type of

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Speaker 6: campaigner he was when he was running for governor and

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Speaker 6: zoron is. I mean, the one hundred and thirty percent

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Speaker 6: is just incredible that he's able to do that.

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Speaker 1: Before you, as in an era of negative polarization. If

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Stephen Miller endorse you, how could that

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Speaker 1: possibly be to your benefit? And Yeah, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: from just from a pure politics point of view. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I guess what Trump did okay in New York, in

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Speaker 1: the state, not really in the city. We did okay

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Speaker 1: right in New Jersey as well. I think he lobly

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Speaker 1: lost it by five points or so. There is the

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Speaker 1: whole Staten Island Long Island Conservative, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: Trump Republican, which is certainly like an understudied demographic. But

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Speaker 1: you know, broadly, in terms of this election and considering

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Speaker 1: who the electorate is, it doesn't seem like it would

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Speaker 1: be all that helped well to try and drive your turnout.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's clear that Cromo didn't want this

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Speaker 6: because Trump didn't make this announcement until the last night,

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Speaker 6: even though he's been passionately following this race and talking

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Speaker 6: about all the time. So this suggests to me that

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Speaker 6: he just couldn't help himself. It was just the night

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Speaker 6: before and he just felt he had to get way in,

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Speaker 6: had to do some yeahh I don't think it's going

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Speaker 6: to be helpful.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, we can put a nine up on the screen here.

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Speaker 2: This is Bolts Magazine break Sanwich. By the way, great

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Speaker 2: like great coverage. They go in depth on like if

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Speaker 2: you are an election Nerd Bolts Magazine is where it's

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Speaker 2: at because Daniel and Shaneyan goes into literally everything that's

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Speaker 2: going to be on the ballot, from the candidates to

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Speaker 2: you know, undercovered races, to ballot initiatives and all of that,

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Speaker 2: and you know.

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Speaker 3: A few other things to highlight here.

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Speaker 2: You've got some Pennsylvania Supreme Court justices that are up.

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Speaker 2: I believe there's in Georgia utility commissioners are on the ballot.

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Speaker 2: You've got mayoral races in Albuquerque, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis

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Speaker 2: is one that's kind of interesting, and Seattle. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you also have that California ballot proposition that to determine

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Speaker 2: whether or not they're going to be able to redraw

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Speaker 2: their maps. I mean that one looks like a short

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Speaker 2: thing as well. Any of the key races that you're

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Speaker 2: taking a look at that you think would be interesting

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Speaker 2: people for people tonight today to follow.

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Speaker 6: I hate to disappoint in such a vanilla answer, but

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Speaker 6: you covered all the ones I'm following.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but so what just lay out the consequence

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Speaker 1: We talked about Jerry manderin why does Supreme Court case matter?

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Speaker 1: The Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

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Speaker 6: One I think it matters in part because that's how

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Speaker 6: Democrats are able to ensure that they have, from their perspective,

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Speaker 6: fair maps potentially in the future. It's also a huge

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Speaker 6: bell of their signal about how they might do in

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Speaker 6: the next election. And also this has become a recent

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Speaker 6: advantage for Democrats postro Vuwaid and especially all these Midwestern

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Speaker 6: states that, while they're really really competitive, are very very

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Speaker 6: pro choice that Democrats have been dominating a lot of

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Speaker 6: these court cases.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not given just on abortion, but as I

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Speaker 1: understand it, it's also election law because they high IQ

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Speaker 1: version of the stop steal move but if there even

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Speaker 1: is one was focused on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and

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Speaker 1: its decision to allow mail in balloting extension, and so

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Speaker 1: that seems to be kind of the flashpoint I think

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Speaker 1: for election law as it would be decided in some

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Speaker 1: potential twenty twenty eight race.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 6: I also think that for Republicans in Pennsylvania, they'll probably

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Speaker 6: have forgotten about that, so it's not going to still

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Speaker 6: be the rallying turnout message that will get them to

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Speaker 6: care and I go voting with in my Otherwise I.

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Speaker 1: Haven't seen much Mastriano and all it was. It was

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Speaker 1: a total disaster, right, and Joshapiro is like pretty popular, yeah, Governor.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other the Georgia Utility Commission. Those are also

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Speaker 2: state wide races. It's not sort of like indication of

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Speaker 2: I guess excitement there.

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Speaker 3: Last question for you.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're Democrats and you're looking at these results,

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Speaker 2: you're feeling pretty good that you're going to be able

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Speaker 2: to prevail in New Jersey in Virginia. You know, what

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Speaker 2: kind of margins do you think is a benchmark where

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Speaker 2: they can feel like, oh man, we really we really

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Speaker 2: crushed it.

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Speaker 3: We're in good shape right now.

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Speaker 6: I think if you win by ten percent in Virginia

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Speaker 6: in six percent in New Jersey, you're feeling pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: I know that kind of so expectations, but honestly, those

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Speaker 6: expectations are a good sign for the future. You want

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Speaker 6: to be winning the races that you're supposed to win.

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Speaker 6: Most midterms go the way of the party out of power,

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Speaker 6: and so carrying along that path is a good sign

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Speaker 6: for them.

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Speaker 1: All right, good flag, Thanks Logan, Thanks to see thank you,

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Speaker 1: good to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: So, as we were saying today is also election day

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Speaker 2: in New York City. The mayoral election there of course

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Speaker 2: hotly anticipated. Zoron Mamdani looking like he has a strong

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Speaker 2: lead here going into election day, but we do have

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Speaker 2: a last minute intervention in the race from the President

602
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Speaker 2: of the United States was basically threatening New Yorkers to

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Speaker 2: vote against to vote for Cuomo, and vote against Zoron

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Speaker 2: to avoid his retribution against the city. We can be

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Speaker 2: four b up on the screen. This is Trump's truth

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Speaker 2: that he put out yesterday evening. He says, if communist

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Speaker 2: candidate Zoron Mamdani wins the election for mayor of New

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Speaker 2: York City, it is highly unlikely that I would be

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Speaker 2: contributing federal funds other than the very minimum as required

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Speaker 2: to my beloved first home, because of the fact that

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Speaker 2: as a communist, this once great city has zero chance

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Speaker 2: of success or even survival, can only get worse with

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Speaker 2: a communist at the helm. I don't want to send

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Speaker 2: as president good money after bad. Is my obligation to

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Speaker 2: run the nation is my strong conviction that New York

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Speaker 2: City will be a complete and total economic and social

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Speaker 2: disaster should Mom Donnie win. His principles have been tested

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Speaker 2: for over a thousand years and never once have they

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Speaker 2: been successful. I would much rather see a Democrat who

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Speaker 2: has had a record of success win than a communist

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Speaker 2: with no experience and a record of complete and total failure.

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Speaker 2: He was nothing as an assemblyman, ranked at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the class, and as mayor, potentially again the greatest

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Speaker 2: city in the world, he has no chance to bring

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Speaker 2: it back to its former glory. We must also remember this,

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Speaker 2: A vote for Curtis Leewa, who looks much better without

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Speaker 2: the beret, is a vote for mom Donnie. Whether you

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Speaker 2: personally like Andrew Kuolmer or not, you really have no choice.

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Speaker 2: You must vote for him and hope he does a

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. He is capable of it, Mam Donnie is not.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo, on a local radio show was actually asked

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Speaker 2: about Trump's support for his campaign, and he literally hangs

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Speaker 2: up the phone in response to the question, this is

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Speaker 2: before guys, let's take a listen. Yeh boy, was just

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Speaker 2: on sixty minutes, Cuomo saying that yeah, his guy.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: So if Trump said you're his candidate, if he had

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Speaker 1: to pick a bad Democrat, or what do you say,

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Speaker 1: or a communist or a communist, he's picking you.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: I think that he was they cut him off. I

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Speaker 1: think he had to that he had to wrap.

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Speaker 3: He just got Oh, I really wanted to hear that answer.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Pretty wild to just hang up to not have a

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Speaker 2: response to what is an incredibly obvious question that you're

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Speaker 2: going to get asked by anybody, you know, radio or

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Speaker 2: political media in this final stretch. And he also tweeted

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Speaker 2: out yesterday Andrew Coolmo did, if you want President Trump

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Speaker 2: to try to take over the city National Guard on streets,

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Speaker 2: choking federal funding, vote for Zaron Mamdani because Trump just

652
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Speaker 2: said he will be coming and this poser's or on

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Speaker 2: won't be able to stop him.

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Speaker 3: This is a fact.

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Speaker 2: The next mayor has to be able to get us more,

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Speaker 2: not insure our demise. I'm the only person in this

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Speaker 2: race who can do that. So basically acting like like

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Speaker 2: a mob boss here, like threatening the city if you

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Speaker 2: don't Trump saying, you know, if you don't vote the

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Speaker 2: way I want you to, then I'm going to there's

661
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Speaker 2: going to be hell to pay. And Cuomo just playing

662
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Speaker 2: right into that, say hey, look Trump's threatening you guys.

663
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Speaker 2: You're gonna just you know, you got, you gotta go

664
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Speaker 2: with me, or else there's going to be all these

665
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Speaker 2: horrific consequences brought to you by the President of the

666
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Speaker 2: United States in the city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the this is the Argentina strategy of

668
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: telling voters that if you want your money. I actually

669
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Speaker 1: did not realize this, just looked it up. Some eight

670
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Speaker 1: point three percent of the total New York City federal

671
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: budget actually relies on federal funds. That is slated to

672
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Speaker 1: drop to some seven billion dollars this year because of

673
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Speaker 1: some pandemic related stuff which is winding down. They say, though,

674
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Speaker 1: that the federal government provides a suite of New York

675
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: City funding from residents agencies, nonprofits, public housing, health care providers.

676
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: Over one hundred billion in federal flooding flows to the

677
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Speaker 1: City of New York almost every year, which again I

678
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Speaker 1: had no idea. Guess it kind of makes sense. It

679
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Speaker 1: is the largest city in the state, or sorry, in

680
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Speaker 1: the country. I guess the question comes down to how

681
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Speaker 1: these New York City voters are going to respond. I mean,

682
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Speaker 1: this is one where I have been mystified by the

683
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Republican response. It's like they don't understand negative polarization. It's

684
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Speaker 1: like you people are not popular in the city of

685
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Speaker 1: New York. And if anything, by the way, I think

686
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: they're giving Zoron a lot of cover. Remember when we

687
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: were always talking about sanctions, you know, one of the

688
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: things that we could say for Venezuela, for Iran, and

689
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: for many other opponents of the United States, whenever things

690
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: go badly, what do they say, It's America's fault because

691
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: they've sanctioned us. So let's say a lot of the

692
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Speaker 1: Zorin programs don't work out, fail, and he's not able

693
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Speaker 1: to accomplish him, which I think is the most modal scenario. Well,

694
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Speaker 1: in that, what can you be like, Oh, it's Trump's

695
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: I can actually resuscitate his own popularity. So if things

696
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Speaker 1: go to complete shit in the city, which look, if

697
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Speaker 1: you cut eight point three percent of the federal of

698
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: the budget, let's say you even cut half of that,

699
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Speaker 1: and you have a significant funding shortfall and you see

700
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Speaker 1: problems start to manifest, Republicans will be like, oh, that's

701
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: on Zoron Mamdani. But he can just easily say no,

702
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: that's on Donald Trump and actually make it so that

703
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: nobody will ever really know a lot of Democratic voters

704
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: in particular, will also just say, yeah, Trump is the

705
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: one who declared war on him. So I think they're

706
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: actually saving him politically, making it so that there's no

707
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Speaker 1: real test of anything that he's going to be able

708
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Speaker 1: to do, and they're handing him like some great gift.

709
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Speaker 1: In particular, also just politically, like Stephen Miller, you know,

710
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: endorsed Andrew Cuomo yesterday. In what world do you think

711
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: that that is politically smart? Right, Like, if you wanted

712
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Cuomo to win, I would do something along the lines

713
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: of saying I'm the most scared of Andrew Cuomo, right,

714
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Speaker 1: I would make it so that because you want people

715
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Speaker 1: who don't like you to negatively polarize and actually vote

716
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: for the person who is perceived as your biggest enemy.

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Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

718
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Speaker 2: I Mean, the thing is here, there's nothing Trump can

719
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: do to change New Yorker's minds at this point, you know.

720
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Speaker 2: I mean, if he'd stayed quiet, that would probably be

721
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: a little better for Cuomo. But it's not like that

722
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: was going to rescue him. He tried to intervene and

723
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: get courteous.

724
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: Lee while out of the race.

725
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: All the billionaires, I mean, it's wild to watch all

726
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: of these billionaires just out in the open, like, we

727
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: cannot accept the democratic result here, we must intervene. We

728
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: will spend whatever it takes to make sure that our

729
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: guy is propped up and becomes mayor in New York City.

730
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Speaker 2: And ultimately, I mean, look that the votes aren't cast. Yeah,

731
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, the votes aren't in yet, So we don't

732
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: want to be too premature here, but certainly looks like

733
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: all of those efforts were for not. I mean, it

734
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: does bear remarking on how insane and how truly like

735
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: unprecedent it is for the president of the United States

736
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Speaker 2: to threaten a city with consequence all the New Yorkers.

737
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Speaker 2: So like, we're not talking about threatening Zoron. I think

738
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: Sacer's right, then in some ways this will be beneficial

739
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: to Zoron and his popularity in the city. You're not

740
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Speaker 2: threatening zor On, threatening the lives and the livelihoods of

741
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Speaker 2: New York City residents. These are people you are supposed

742
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Speaker 2: to as president of the United States. You are supposed

743
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Speaker 2: to represent them. A lot of them voted for you, right,

744
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Speaker 2: You didn't win the City of New York, but you

745
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: actually did better than previous Republicans had in the past.

746
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Zora launched his campaign going out and talking to residents

747
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Speaker 2: who were saying, yeah, I voted for Trump because I

748
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: thought that he would do better on the economy. I

749
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: thought you'd bring costs of living down, etc. I mean

750
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: that informed a lot of how Zorin actually structured his campaign.

751
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: So not only do you have Trump threatening the city,

752
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: you have Andy Ogles and some other Republican representatives in

753
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 2: the House threatening to try to keep Zoran from taking office,

754
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: saying there's some fourteenth Amendment way that could allow Congress

755
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: to block New Yorkers for being able to.

756
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: Pick the candidate of their choice.

757
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: You have Randy Fine and others who are threatening to

758
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: denaturalize him and deport him to Uganda again, just because

759
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: they don't like him and they don't like his politics.

760
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: And a lot of this comes down to Israel, by

761
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: the way, certainly for Randy Fine, it comes down to

762
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: to Israel. Just complete and utter insanity, Like New Yorkers

763
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: are allowed to elect the mayor that they want to

764
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: elect and they shouldn't be faced with retribution from the

765
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: President of the United States, so completely wild. I think

766
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: you're right on the even on the political impact short term.

767
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: I you know, I lived in New York for for

768
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Speaker 2: five years. I have a little bit of a sin.

769
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Speaker 2: I'm married to New York City residents, but a New Yorker,

770
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Speaker 2: so I have a sense of the New York vibe.

771
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: And they're gonna say fuck you, like you don't want

772
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: me to vote for Zoran. I'm voting for him even

773
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: harder now, Like I'm showing up early to vote for

774
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: this guy. And you know, again and twice on Sunday,

775
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: they are going to do whatever they can to, you know,

776
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: to tell Trump like screw you. You don't get some

777
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: mess in the affairs of our city. So it's you know,

778
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: it's it's grotesque the way the guy, this guy operates,

779
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: and it is truly a break from the way we've

780
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: seen anyone. I mean, I can't think of a single

781
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: simp can you historical precedent for like I'm going to

782
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: come in, I'm going to threaten to withdraw funding and

783
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: send in likely federal mass agents into your to recavoc

784
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: and cause chaos if you don't vote the way.

785
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a sore op thing. I think

786
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: that we're going to do that regardless. But you know,

787
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: in terms of I'm trying to think. I guess Ford

788
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: telling the city to drop dead. That was in the

789
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies.

790
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: That was more that wasn't going to us.

791
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: It was like a bailout thing. Yeah, it was like

792
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to so I have to rack my brain.

793
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: It's been a while. It's not exactly usually said this explicitly,

794
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: although I guess it does technically take some precedence. I mean, look,

795
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I just continue to sit on the politics of it.

796
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I just think it's incredibly stupid because I think one

797
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: of the things is, as you and I know, New

798
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: York City is going to be one of the most

799
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: closely watched places in the entire country now for any

800
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: signs of potential failure. But if you give them the

801
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: excuse that it's because the FEDS screwed it up, I mean,

802
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: that's basically on you. On the point about ice and

803
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: all that, though, I mean, don't you think they've already

804
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: been doing ice rates in New York City, Like, I

805
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: don't know why it would be any potentially different. They

806
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: did it in Chicago, they did it in Los Angeles,

807
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: They've done Seattle. I mean, there's a recent one here

808
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: in hu Houston, I mean it's I don't think that

809
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: really has much to do with Zorra. I mean, maybe,

810
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, and potentially to invite a fight with NYPD

811
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: and his own political commissionership, but I mean that's that

812
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: one I would say is probably more to the benefit

813
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: of the Republicans at least politically to pick a fight there.

814
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know how this is

815
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: all going to work out.

816
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: At the same time, we could put the one up

817
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: on the screen. This is how Zoron was closing out

818
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: his campaign while Andrew Cuomo was threatening New Yorkers. Quote,

819
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: here you have Zoron walking across the Brooklyn Bridge and

820
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: you know, out of clubs, dancing with everybody and being

821
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: out and about with taxi drivers and really just trying

822
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: to be you know, in the streets with the people.

823
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: At the same time, you had Hakeem Jeffries, you know,

824
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: continuing to be asked about Zoron and whether he sees

825
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: him as the future of the party. Hakieme Jeffries did

826
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: very belatedly and very begrudgingly endorse Zoron in this race

827
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: and get behind him once the writing was on the wall,

828
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: and it was absolutely inevitable. Let's go ahead, take a

829
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: listen to what Hikkim Jeffries had to say. This is

830
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: B two about Zoron and the future of the party.

831
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 5: Do you see Mom, Donnie as the future of the

832
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: Democratic Party.

833
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 7: No, I think the future of the Democratic Party is

834
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 7: going to fall as far as we're concerned relative to

835
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 7: the House Democratic Caucus and members who are doing a

836
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 7: great work all across the country as it relates to

837
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 7: our need to both take back control of the House,

838
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 7: but in doing so, make sure that we're communicating to

839
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 7: the American people like we understand you deserve better than

840
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 7: the country that you have received.

841
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: This guy is just so wame. He's just so bad

842
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: at this.

843
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

844
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Speaker 1: The sad thing is, you know, he's going to be

845
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: the major beneficiary of a lot of this because it'll

846
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: look like the midterm. I mean, unless there's some anti

847
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffreys movement in the House of Representatives amongst the

848
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Democrats and they actually would pick a new leader, which

849
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: I obviously think that they should. I don't think they will,

850
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: though he unfortunately does. I think he's going to get

851
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: away with this. I don't know if Schumer will because

852
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: he could get a primary challenge against him, and he

853
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: may also just may not run again for re Electional

854
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: signs currently point in that direction. But Jeffries, I mean,

855
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: there's no organic movement against him, and I honestly think

856
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: he's going to get away with him.

857
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: You don't think there's an organic movement against.

858
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Him against JAKEM.

859
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: Jeffries, Yeah, there definitely isn't.

860
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he may find he may even have a

861
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: primary challenge against him for his own sea.

862
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, in the House. Well I was talking about

863
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: in the House caucus, right, Yeah, there's not a single

864
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: organized like anti Jefferies movement obviously. Look, you're right, things

865
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: can change.

866
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the base is very disappointed with him,

867
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: and I think there will be a lot of pressure

868
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: on Democrats to choose someone different for leadership. And you'll

869
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: also have these primaries playing out where I do think

870
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: some incumbents will probably you know, I think you're going

871
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: to have some dumb tea party vibes and some incumbents

872
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: taken out and new renegades coming in who will be like,

873
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm so fucking lutely not am I voting for Hakeem

874
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: Jeffries or in the Senate, am I going to vote for,

875
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, Chuck Schumer.

876
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: I hope so. I would love to tell you.

877
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: Know, I do think that his position both as a

878
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: member of Congress but also as leader of the Democratic Party,

879
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: given how lame he's been and how trashed the Democratic

880
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: brand is and how disgusted the Democratic base is with him,

881
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: and you know, how poorly he's been able to stand

882
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: up in Trump two point zero, I definitely think that

883
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: his not that there's any guarantees, but I definitely think

884
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: that his leadership is is at risk here. And the

885
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: way he's played the Zorn thing has been pathetic. And

886
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: I mean that actually in and of itself tells you

887
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: something about his concerns, because part of why he didn't

888
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: want to endure Zorn appears to have been that he

889
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: wanted to get a guarantee from Zorin that he would

890
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: not back a primary challenge or to Hakeem Jeffries, And

891
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: as far as we know, he never secured that commitment

892
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: from Zorn. But it tells you he's looking over his shoulder,

893
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: you know, towards the left of the party too, and

894
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: worried that he could be taken out in a primary challenge,

895
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: which I do think is a distinct possibility. Abigail Spanberger

896
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: was also asked about Zoron and you know, Spamburger is

897
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: the consummate like centrist national security dem of Rama Manuel's dreams,

898
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: former CIA blah blah blah. You know, after Trump gets elected,

899
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: she did a lot of like, oh, this is all

900
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: the leap's fault, so we can put this next element

901
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: up on the screen to see her reaction. So Ken

902
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: Klippenstein tweeted this out and said, al Abigail Spamberger takes

903
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: a swipe at mom Donnie. When she got asked about

904
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: him and his impact, she said maybe he should be

905
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: a Democrat, which I don't even know what she means

906
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: by that, Like, he literally won the Democratic primary, So lady,

907
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? In any case, Acknowledging when

908
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: press that mum Donnie is in fact the Democratic nominee,

909
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: Spamburger said that for all the talk, including from within

910
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: the DSA itself, about the DSA's growing power, she doesn't

911
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: see democratic socialism on the rise. She argues there's a

912
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 2: level of dishonesty and dishonesty in some of the big

913
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: promises maum Donnie is making that she's worries could hurt

914
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: Democrats with voters long term, saying the reason she doesn't

915
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: have a mum Donni's style proposal for government run grocery

916
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: stores is because I couldn't ever pass it. People do

917
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: want us to be aspirational and dream big. They also

918
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: don't want us to lie to them, she told CNN.

919
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: When you have a party that makes promise after promise

920
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: and then say, oh, we pass it in the House,

921
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: it's not our fault.

922
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: Vulnerable people believed you.

923
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: Maybe he's going to get Albany on board with totally

924
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: refinancing public transportation, but there's a lot of people who

925
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: believe him. And so I mean, this is kind of

926
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: standard centrist ideology of like, well, big things aren't possible,

927
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: so we shouldn't even put them out there.

928
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: We're going to nibble around the edges.

929
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: And I just think, you know, this is a country

930
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: that just elected Donald Trump, who was a bomb to

931
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: the system. Like that is the whole purpose of electing

932
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: a Donald Trump is that people are disgusted with it

933
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: the way things are. They don't want you to just

934
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: like manage the status quo and take around the edges.

935
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: They want something that is more transformational, and so even

936
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: if you feel like it's going to be a difficult

937
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: fight or it may be impossible, you have to at

938
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: least offer people some sort of aspirational vision for how

939
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: you're going to do more than just you know, the

940
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: like palliative care and manage the decline of the empire.

941
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: At one point, part of.

942
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: The fight, which I think is always missed by a

943
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: lot of people, is not all Democrats have to be

944
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: the same. A Democrat who's going to win the Northern

945
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Virginia electorate should not look like Sooron Mamdanni and Zoron

946
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: Mamdani or the New York City Democrats should obviously not

947
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: be the person who is going to be running let's

948
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: say in the Midwest. Right. That's why not all of

949
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: these people can or should be the same. That's the

950
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: entire point of living in a pretty diverse and very

951
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: different country. Locally, you can nationally stand for semi sort

952
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: of principles on the point about like promising things. I

953
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, to be honest, I'm seeing a

954
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: lot of hopium that's being drank by I think a

955
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: lot of the progressive left, and I do think they're

956
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: in for a root awakening. I mean, the vast reality

957
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: is that he does not have the significant amount of

958
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: power to enact the most you know, the biggest promises

959
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: of his campaign, Like even in terms of freezing the rent.

960
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: You know, part of the cope is always like, well

961
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: he does. He's not going to freeze for everybody. It's

962
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: just going to be on rent control departments. It's like, yeah, well, unfortunately,

963
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: because you don't. I mean, the system of New York

964
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: is so governed by all of these various different councils, neighborhoods,

965
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: and other like you know, Nimbi style stuff that's built

966
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: into it, that the net result is probably going to

967
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: be some sort of organic market increase in the rent.

968
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's necessarily its fault. The rent's

969
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: been going up for every single year, you know, since

970
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: that happened. But that's you know, I don't think it's

971
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: particularly a good look same. I mean, free buses and MTA.

972
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: The vast majority of the funding from that comes from

973
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Albany and the upstate. Like, you know, why would they

974
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: necessarily want to play ball? The Feds are saying that

975
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: they're going to cut the amount of city services to

976
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: you like The truth is is I think that the

977
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: mayor in New York has the absolute most control and

978
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: even then not a ton when it comes to crime.

979
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: That's basically it. And you know, in a lot of ways,

980
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: like Eric Adams most well understood the job because it

981
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: was schools and it was also kind of just being

982
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: like a hype man for New York. Like I'm not

983
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: saying he's a good person, but like that's all he

984
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: really focused his time doing was being a commercial salesman

985
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: for the city. But yeah, I mean I kind of

986
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: think I.

987
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: Don't want think New Yorkers would say understood the job,

988
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: since he ended with the lowest approval rating of many

989
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: mayor in history.

990
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: Sure, but whenever it comes to like what do you

991
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: actually have power over picking up trash and crime policy,

992
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: like that's basically it, like you don't and schools, Okay,

993
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I'll give him that, which, by the way, Zora wants

994
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: to do away with some gift and talented schools.

995
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: I think the bet is that, like you got a

996
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: taste of the strategy when Hochel had to bend the

997
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: needs are on and came to his rally and was

998
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: met with chance of taxi rich and Hochle is facing.

999
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: She's the person who could actually do that.

1000
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Hochel is facing a primary challenger from the left. So

1001
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: that's where that's where the you know, the hope that

1002
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: you can actually push Albany to an at the policies

1003
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: that yes, Zorn would need in able to deliver. Now,

1004
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: some of the things, I mean the grocery stores he

1005
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: will be able to deliver on.

1006
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: He's actually already identified.

1007
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: The finding the rent freeze is you know, something that

1008
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: like through the rent stabilization board, he should be able

1009
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: to accomplish. Now they're trying to stack the board with

1010
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: opponents of it, et cetera. But I mean that is

1011
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: something else that is within the power of the New

1012
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: York City mayor, has been done in the past and

1013
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: should be something that he can accomplish. The childcare is

1014
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: probably the biggest and most challenging one that does require

1015
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: action from allby and so yeah, that's part of why

1016
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: what happens in the election tonight. Look Zoron looks very

1017
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: certain to win, but his margin and how strong of

1018
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: a victory, that's where those things start to matter, because

1019
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: he needs not only to win, he needs to send

1020
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: a message that I have a powerful coalition behind me

1021
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: and you, Kathy Hogel, are put on notice that if

1022
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: you don't you know, if you don't tax the rich

1023
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: and then to our program, then you're going to face

1024
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: political challenges.

1025
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: And that's you know, I mean when he's.

1026
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Talked about like Kim Jefferies worrying, very likely Richie Torres

1027
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: is going to face a primary challenger. You know, Dan Goldman,

1028
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: who's another one who wouldn't get behind zoron Is. I

1029
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: mean that guy Brad Lander is going to challenge him brolly,

1030
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: and he's he's going to have a very difficult time.

1031
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Love to see straussfort Yes.

1032
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Indeed, And you know, the question there is only whether

1033
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: you have two progressives.

1034
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: That's what the vote.

1035
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: But I think if you get just Brad Landering against him,

1036
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: he's basically toast. So those all send a real, very

1037
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: strong message to cynical political actors that you'd better work

1038
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: with these people and not be the roadblock to their ambitions.

1039
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: That's where the bet is now. Is it easy to No?

1040
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: Of course it is not easy. It's incredible. It's what

1041
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: he signed up for is incredibly difficult. I think your

1042
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: point about Trump in some ways like kind of bailing

1043
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: him out and giving him excuses for, you know, things

1044
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: that won't go, because there will be things that don't

1045
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: go the way he wants them to go, There's no

1046
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: doubt about that.

1047
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: And so having a narrative about why.

1048
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: It hasn't lived up to the aspirational promises that are

1049
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: being you know, down there on the campaign trail. I

1050
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: think that will be actually a significant benefit to him

1051
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: as well.

1052
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: And is a good point.

1053
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's plats. What's annoying is I don't think this

1054
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: guy's going to succeed. I mean, I hate to piss

1055
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: in everybody's corn flakes, but like New York State's legislature

1056
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: has the total of total authority to raise taxes. Also,

1057
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, this is part of the thing. I have

1058
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: a very limited experience with the State of New York,

1059
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: but as I understand it, the tension between upstate and

1060
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: the city is like the central thing in Albany, and

1061
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: in particular the New York State legislature, because of the

1062
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: representative system in the Senate and with the governor from

1063
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: where they are, they do not like to not just

1064
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: bail out the city per se, but they in particular

1065
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen as acting entirely on their benefit.

1066
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: There's an entire like white working class constituency outside of

1067
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: the City of New York, which the state politicians, people

1068
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: like Chuck Schumer, Kathy Hochel, they don't spend most of

1069
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: their time in New York City. They spend it in

1070
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: Buffalo or I don't know, the Plattsburgh or whatever, like

1071
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: way up in the north near the Canadian border. And

1072
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: the reason why is there's a ton of votes out

1073
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: there that have a very distinct set of like want circumstances.

1074
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: Population is just totally different, right, These are like rural areas,

1075
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: and so they have competing interests a lot of times

1076
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: with the city, and there is kind of a rivalry within. Again,

1077
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm just relaying kind of what I understand the people

1078
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: who have worked in New York State politics like generally,

1079
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: so from that point of view, I mean, look, the

1080
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: net result is he has the most control over the cops,

1081
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: he has the most control over city services, over schools,

1082
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, sure, I'm sure I can throw some

1083
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: culture war and know it'll create a transgender transition fund,

1084
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: which you know, I guess is democratically representative of that population.

1085
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: But for the New York City state or for New

1086
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: York City, Like generally he can do some virtue signaling

1087
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: on ice, but he doesn't have a ton of power,

1088
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day with NYPD and yeah,

1089
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can end gifted and talented

1090
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: congratulations to the Asians of the City of New York

1091
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: like that seems to be it. Like, to be honest,

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00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: I really don't see very much. Now can he be

1093
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: a spokesperson and use it as a bully pulpit, Yeah,

1094
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: he absolutely can, and that has power. How can we

1095
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: deny that? But I mean, I don't know. I just

1096
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the City of New

1097
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: York and I hate to be cynical, but listen, you know,

1098
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: I've seen too many people get their hopes up around

1099
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: to certain types of politicians only just be crash and burn.

1100
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Like the truth is is that we live in a

1101
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: deeply corrupt, entrenched system. New York State is probably one

1102
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: of the most corrupt states in the entire country. The

1103
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: reality that you're gonna raise tax and particularly a lower

1104
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: rent in one of the most like cartel controlled cities

1105
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: in the world where the global super elite rich all

1106
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: have been flocking to for the last thirty years. It's fantastical.

1107
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean, even freezing rent control again, the probably net

1108
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: market result is going to be a net result or

1109
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: net increase in rent generally in the city. You're also

1110
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: going to see you have huge tax problems in New York.

1111
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: You have a significant portion of the tax base which

1112
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: is reliant on the super rich. They're gonna leave, and

1113
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna find yourself in a huge budget shortfall. Like

1114
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: if you lose even twenty five billionaires from the city,

1115
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: it's going to significantly hurt your coffers. I don't think

1116
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: it should be that way. I don't think they shouldn't

1117
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: have I don't think you should that's sort of tax system.

1118
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: I've always warned that it's a huge problem a lot

1119
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: of businesses in others the city employers, Like there's a

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00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: reason that he's been cozying up to these people in

1121
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: some ways because he knows, like they can destroy your life,

1122
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: Like all they have to do is pull eight ten

1123
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: thousand employees out. You can lose a huge portion of

1124
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: the tax base the developers. I mean, this is just

1125
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: the reality. I think of what it means, and I

1126
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: don't want to take anything away. I'm happy that people

1127
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: have some hope left in politics, but just seeing like

1128
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: seeing all of the different roadblocks that you face. I mean,

1129
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: think about this, if you got your hopes up about

1130
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: the president, that's the most powerful man in the world,

1131
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: and ninety percent of the time they can't get shit

1132
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: done whenever it comes to what they want. And this

1133
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: is a local politician, you know, with no statutory authority,

1134
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: no veto capacity, no taxation, no foreign policy, nothing.

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00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: The alternative view, which is that Zoran has a much

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00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: better relationship with Kathy Hokal than build A Blasio had

1137
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: with Cuomo.

1138
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they hated.

1139
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: Each other Cuomo, I mean legendarily hated each other. And

1140
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: Quomo did everything he could to fuck to Blossio everything

1141
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 2: he could, and Deblasio made a big promise in his campaign,

1142
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: he said, We're going to do universal preschool, big promise,

1143
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: and Cuomo tried to block him at every turn. And

1144
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: even with that incredibly aggressive adversarial relationship and a lot

1145
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: less of a man mandate and a movement behind him

1146
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: and political power that Zorn has, he was able to

1147
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: do it. He was able to accomplish his goal. And

1148
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: now you do have universal pre K in New York City.

1149
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: It's a fantastic success. It's been incredibly important. You know,

1150
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: it's you know, one of the most impressive things that

1151
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: a local city government has been able to accomplish in

1152
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: recent years. So if de Blasio can pull that off

1153
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 2: with again, much less of a mandate, much less of

1154
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: the sort of like political power and movement that he

1155
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: can wield. He didn't have any ability to threaten primary

1156
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: challenges against anyone. No one was looking over their shoulder

1157
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: because Build Blasio was going to endorse against them, and

1158
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: you had Coomo was just the good legendary asshole trying

1159
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: to stand in his way. If he can pull that off,

1160
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: then yeah, I think Zorin can pull some things off as.

1161
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: Well as Now, did he get any real benefit from

1162
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: everyone hated Build A Blasio and the problems shithole but soccer?

1163
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the residents in New York City did get universal.

1164
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Pre k Okay, but they didn't Blasio.

1165
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: Did not was not you know, particularly popular, But this

1166
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: program has been extremely impactful. So Zoran I think has

1167
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: a lot more going for him than Deblasio does. And

1168
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: we're going to see you know, That's, like I said,

1169
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: the real question for him is going to be How

1170
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: big of a mandate does he have tonight? How much

1171
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: does he transform the electorate, you know, and what what

1172
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: does that mean for you know, a youthful energy around

1173
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: him and his administration. How is he able to govern?

1174
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: And is he able to apply pressure to to Kathy Hochel,

1175
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: to Albany and are you know, is he able to

1176
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 2: sort of set the agenda in a sense where people

1177
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: political benefit is to work with him rather than try

1178
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: to stop him. And to my mind, you already have

1179
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: seen that. I mean, even the fact that Kee Jeffreys

1180
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: felt the need that he had to endorse him is

1181
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: very telling. Kathy hokl being at the rally with Bernie

1182
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: and aoc very telling. So you know that's it's definitely

1183
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: going to be difficult. You are absolutely right about that.

1184
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: But I have more, much more hope than you do

1185
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: that he's going to be able to accomplish some key

1186
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: parts of his promises. And I don't think voters are stupid,

1187
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: Like I don't think that they believe anyone politician is

1188
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: just going to like wave a magic wand and make

1189
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: everything perfect in the city. But they want to see

1190
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: you out there fighting for the things that you claim

1191
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: to believe in and that you stood under.

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00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: Well, I guess my worry he will say that a

1193
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of these young people. Part of the reason they're

1194
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: dissolution with the system and that they think that a

1195
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is going to work, is they

1196
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: actually do think that he can do them. I mean,

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: he's not dishonest, I guess by saying he wants to

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00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: do them. I believe him in what he wants to do,

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Speaker 1: But I think they're incredibly naive as to the level

1200
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: of corruption and systems of politics, and like how the

1201
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: balances in our system make it nearly impossible for a

1202
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: local politician to be able to deliver any of them.

1203
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Even the pre K thing, like New York is not

1204
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: better because of it, is it? I mean, otherwise people

1205
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: would be super happy and be like, oh, what a

1206
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: great place to raise a family. No, it's a horrible

1207
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 1: place to raise a family. That's why a huge number

1208
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: of people who have kids left the city because they're like,

1209
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: this is a disaster. After twenty twenty, If universal pre

1210
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: K was so attractive for children and for families in

1211
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: the city of New York and you have a net

1212
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: increase instead, you've had a net decrease of the level

1213
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: of people with children. New York is basically a playground

1214
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: for the rich. Their entire tax base revolves around. Well

1215
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: that can possibly reverse that.

1216
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: Of Zoron, is You're right?

1217
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: New York City has been run largely, especially by Juliani

1218
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: and Bloomberg and airG Adams, as a playground for that

1219
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: is what it is who the policy has been catered towards.

1220
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 2: And so that is the true promise of Zoron's campaign

1221
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: is what if we actually ran the city for its

1222
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: working class siden what if we actually oriented policy to

1223
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: try to make it so that families can live here

1224
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: and they can survive and it's not so expensive that

1225
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: they you know, that they can't continue to stay in

1226
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: the city because you know, there's all this talk about, oh,

1227
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: hich people are going to flee the city, which I

1228
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: don't believe, by the way, but in any case, but

1229
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: the people who've been actually leaving the city are it's

1230
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: working class residents. Like those are the people who are

1231
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: actually fleeing the city, and the city cannot survive without them,

1232
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: like it will be a hollowed out husk without people,

1233
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, working middle class people able to live and

1234
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 2: thrive in the city, and so that is truly actually

1235
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: the most difficult thing for him to accomplish is to

1236
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: reorient the city around the needs of you know, the

1237
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: workers who actually make it run.

1238
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: I just again, I don't see how it literally is

1239
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: impossible considering the way that their progressive tax system is

1240
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: structured in the state of New York. The entire thing

1241
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: revolves around big businesses and extremely wealthy people putting up

1242
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: with fifty percent sixty percent net tax in order to

1243
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: you know, go to carbone at night. Which but look,

1244
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a degenerate and a stupid lifestyle. But

1245
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: you guys, do what you want to do. You live there.

1246
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: My only point is just that the net benefit, you know,

1247
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: let's say, of trying to orient around working class residents

1248
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: would require a top to down reformation of their entire

1249
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: financing structure. Like there is a reason that New York

1250
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: is the playground for the rich because of the businesses

1251
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: and others that attract them. Like, if you want to

1252
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: try and have some redistributive policy, people are going to

1253
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: make individual choice. I'm not defending it. I think it's

1254
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: a horrible system. But I think that to reform that

1255
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: system again, it would take it wouldn't even just take

1256
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: the state. I think that would have to be national policy.

1257
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: Considering where things are today, like the net Way that

1258
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: has been designed, I would say, what since the nineteen eighties,

1259
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: since Rudi Giuliani and all them came in, was let's

1260
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: make it a playground for Wall Street and let's make

1261
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: it so that we can tax, you know, a certain

1262
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: percentage of all of these global super elites that love

1263
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: to hang out here. And that's effectively like where the

1264
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: city has gone, which I think is bad. You know,

1265
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good thing for the people

1266
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: who live there, but I almost think it's it's uh,

1267
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: it's at a point now where if by trying to

1268
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: accomplish any of this, I mean, let me ask you this,

1269
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: what what is success for Zoran? Like, what is it

1270
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: to me? It would be he needs to be popular

1271
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: at the end of his term. And two, let's say

1272
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: if we take him at his word, then the city

1273
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: actually does need to be affordable for the normal Let's say,

1274
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: let's call it one hundred thousand for a middle class worker.

1275
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think I think there is literally no

1276
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: way that that's going out.

1277
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: I think that is probably setting the bars you high.

1278
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: I think that he's popular and that he accomplishes you know,

1279
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: let's say three out of five of his key goals,

1280
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, affordable childcare being I think the most transformational one.

1281
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: So you know, if he's able to freeze the rent

1282
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: on rent control departments and he's able to do the

1283
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: free buses, I mean, I had the grocery stores are

1284
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: about him.

1285
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: This is one thing with the rent control. How can

1286
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: why is that a win so that people will get

1287
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: rented control? They promise it, Okay, great, but if everybody

1288
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: else's has to go out and as a result of that,

1289
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: kissed off. These people are playing forty eight hundred a month.

1290
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 2: For his policy though, is like that's like the catchiest part.

1291
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: But he has a whole housing policy that's very abundance

1292
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: pilled by the way, Yeah, it's reality, and so you know,

1293
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to what he's you know, what

1294
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: he wants to do on housing than just freezing the rent.

1295
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, for those people or in those apartments, that's

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: going to make a big difference.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Are those in those apartment.

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Speaker 1: Those eight million people who aren't in those apartments and

1300
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Speaker 1: the rent is probably.

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Speaker 2: So are you basically arguing like you shouldn't try, you

1302
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: shouldn't promise anything, Like why bother?

1303
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: Because that's what it feels like you're probably.

1304
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if anyone has a chance of success, it's

1305
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: this guy who comes out of nowhere, who's got a

1306
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: clear vision, clear promises he made to people that people

1307
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: like New Yorkers are excited about, and who has the

1308
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: force of a political movement behind him to put pressure

1309
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: on the political powers to feet actually effectuate that outcome. Like,

1310
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: if anyone has a chance of success, it's him.

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Speaker 3: No is it easy?

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00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: No?

1313
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do believe in politics where you try

1314
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: to do things that make people's lives better. And I

1315
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: think it's sad to just have a nihilist view of like, well,

1316
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: it's not going to fucking work anyway, so why bother

1317
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: getting people's hopes up?

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00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Well, I get no, I mean, I just think it's

1319
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: more about Look, if you live through Obama, I don't

1320
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: know how you can't be you know where I am

1321
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: right now in terms especially with this stuff.

1322
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: So where are you though?

1323
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: What do you mean for with Zoran?

1324
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: Like youle shouldn't campaign on doing positive things like what

1325
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: is yours here?

1326
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Well, what did we talk about yesterday with voters? I

1327
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: mean just a lot of voters are just literally just

1328
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: hoffing a bunch of bullshit, Like they have no idea

1329
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: the reality of the city and the state that they

1330
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: actually live in. And so yeah, I think they're in

1331
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: for a very rude awakening. I think that New York

1332
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: will be vastly more expensive in five years, not necessarily

1333
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: as a result of Zoron, but just organically, and that's

1334
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: probably going to be a net failure. And if you

1335
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: live through that and you vote for that, that will

1336
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: continue down you know, a dark path. You can fight

1337
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: for it.

1338
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: So then what Yeah, so what are the politics that

1339
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: you would support in that case?

1340
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: Then? For Zoron?

1341
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?

1342
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you don't think that politician should be

1343
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: trying to improve, like making promises about here's my plan

1344
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: to prove people's lives. If you think that's like getting

1345
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 2: people's hopes up, Like what kind of politics do you say?

1346
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 7: No?

1347
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I support realistic politics in local state and local and

1348
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: state elections in particular, because that's part of what I'm saying,

1349
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: is like the reality of affordable New York is something

1350
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: that you actually just don't have control over. And it's

1351
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: one of those where I think you could run for

1352
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: it as president. I think you should. You have a

1353
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: much much better chance and it's much more statutory authority

1354
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: power to actually get a lot of that stuff done.

1355
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I identified five things that are doable. Difficult, sure,

1356
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: but doable. So what's wrong with that?

1357
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: But I just said with freezing rent, I mean you're

1358
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: running on affordability. You're not actually going to address the

1359
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: market rent system of New York. You actually don't even

1360
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: have the power because of the ability with the boards

1361
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: and all those that are currently being stacked. So look,

1362
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: look it's up to the you to if you want

1363
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: to vote for him and you want to go through

1364
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: that like that, that's on you. You can have it

1365
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: if you would like. But it's just I don't know.

1366
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: I want people's eyes to be open.

1367
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just see the I don't know. I

1368
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: think it's funny. I'm gonta see it reverse Like he

1369
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: set out five not like easy slam dunk, but five

1370
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: things that are actually concrete and achievable. So it seems

1371
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Speaker 2: like the opposite of the like pine in the sky,

1372
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Speaker 2: we're and have.

1373
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: A socialis utopia.

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Speaker 1: I've never said that he's promising pie this guy. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that even the stuff that he's

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: trying to promise, I mean even talked about taxation, You

1377
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: literally have no statutory authority to tax anybody, literally zero.

1378
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: You can make a recommendation, you know, if you want to.

1379
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: You do nothing in terms of taxes. You pick up

1380
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: the trash, you run the schools, you run the cops.

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01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: And yes, you can occasionally like stack various boards which

1382
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: vote for you know, based on corrupt interests as to

1383
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: whether to green light certain projects.

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Speaker 2: So if he's able to accomplish a majority of the

1385
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 2: five key promises that he made, would you see that

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Speaker 2: as successful?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yes, I absolutely would. I don't think it's going

1388
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't think it is any chance in

1389
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: hell of even maybe like one out of five. And

1390
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Speaker 1: I do think that running on affordability and ultimately noting

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01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: that it will probably I mean, does anybody disagree with

1392
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: me that the New York's will probably be more expensive

1393
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: in five years today, even if he is mayor like,

1394
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: does anyone disagree with that? Well, then you know, you're

1395
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of selling a false bill of goods here. And

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Speaker 1: I think that the reality it's like if you pointed

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01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: to universal pre K, like, there's a lot of multi

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: factorial things that go into making the place extremely expensive.

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: No one person has any real power over that. It's

1400
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: a broad system thing. I guess the point could be

1401
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I think this is a signal to the system that

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01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: people should change.

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01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: That's a little different, Like I don't think people.

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: With just yesterday you were saying that we should blame voters,

1405
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: I think more stupid.

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01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't think we should think that voters believe he

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: can just magically transform everything. I think that they believe that,

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01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: you know what, if we have someone who in general

1409
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: is trying to orient policy more towards our needs, that's

1410
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: going to be to our benefit. I think they believe, hey,

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01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: if we had access to free public transportation, that would

1412
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: be helpful.

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: Right, which again we have no control.

1414
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: Affordable childcare, that would be helpful if we, you know,

1415
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: And and they like the idea of an optimistic politics

1416
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: that experiments with things like Okay, we're going to you know,

1417
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: the grocery store and say it's going to transform everything.

1418
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: But Hey, let's try some things and try to make

1419
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: life a little bit better for people in the city.

1420
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: I think that's the idea.

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01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's like, you know, he's going to

1422
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: fix the cost of living crisis and it's going to

1423
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: be you know, it's going to be miraculous, and I'm

1424
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: going to have an apartment for eight hundred dollars a

1425
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: month or whatever. Like, I don't think anyone. I don't

1426
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: think anyone really believes that. But he's made a series

1427
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: of concrete promises, and so we'll be able to assess

1428
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: whether or not he's able to achieve them, or how

1429
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: close he comes to being able to achieve those concrete problems.

1430
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: You may be right, my fear is that with Obama.

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01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I was young when Obama was elected.

1432
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: I actually thought that they would solve the final crisis.

1433
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: I thought that the wars would end. It was a

1434
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: huge mistake right to believe any of that, and a

1435
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: lot of my creer oordination is built on that. And then,

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01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: by the way, in my adult life, had multiple campaigns,

1437
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: including in which he knew the people in power, and

1438
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: you believed some of those people and then they fucked you.

1439
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: Whenever they came into power. If you live through that,

1440
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, that's my own orientation.

1441
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: You're catching me a unique moment of time. But like

1442
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: any time that I've even had an inkling, even with

1443
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: a ton of realism and all of that, to see

1444
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: the falsehoods and the fakery that you end up getting,

1445
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: it's a difficult pill to swallow. And I guess that's

1446
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: just where I'm coming from. And I do think that

1447
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those eighteen to twenty nine year olds

1448
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: have not been burned yet in that type of system.

1449
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: And considering where the Obama generation went from two thousand

1450
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: and eight, for a lot of people were my age

1451
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: and your age as well who lived through that, that

1452
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: level of that level of lack of delivery and of

1453
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: failure left like a searing, searing thing at the heart

1454
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: of a lot of the way that we look at politics.

1455
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: And that is how I view Zoronmumdanni. And I think

1456
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who support him are I

1457
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: think they believe him, like I think you're wrong. I

1458
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of them actually believe that the rent

1459
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: is going to go down. I think a lot of

1460
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: them actually believe that he will have the ability to

1461
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: have I mean, how many people in the City of

1462
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: New York are sitting around talking about MTA funding, Like

1463
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: it's just not a lot of people. How many people

1464
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: even know that, you know, the various boards and other

1465
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: people that set the which projects get to be greenlit,

1466
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: and the stories and I mean I could go on forever.

1467
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: Do you know about the scaffolding thing in the City

1468
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: of New York and the scaffolding cartel, Like most people

1469
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: just accept it. They're like, oh, that's ugly, we just

1470
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: walk underneath. They have no idea the various you know,

1471
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: busy team right going to try to tackle. Yes, I know,

1472
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: it's funny. I remember looking at that. I'm like, yeah,

1473
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: good fucking luck man. I mean the scaffolding cartel in

1474
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: the City of New York alone is one of those

1475
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: where that has been a problem for like thirty years unsolvable.

1476
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: Do I think that he's going to do it? No,

1477
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I think there's probably still going to be

1478
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: scaffolding there, Like there's all these various things from the

1479
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: city is designed to basically protect his self from Zoran.

1480
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: I think in general, the financial system broadly of that

1481
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: entire place is designed again to protect itself from any

1482
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: sort of democratic input. I don't think that's good, and

1483
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: I think it's bad. I don't think that it could

1484
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: really be reformed until it's really at the federal level.

1485
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: Like there's such a level of incentive and all that

1486
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: built in to keeping these types of place is the

1487
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: way that they are that any one like local mayor,

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: even though we may want to believe that, I just

1489
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't see the evidence for it. Like, yeah, I

1490
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: think New York is going to be more expensive, whether's

1491
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: or not, is elected or not. And if anything, I

1492
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: think Trump is bailing him out because I don't think

1493
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: he'll deliver on basically much. Yes, if he accomplishes even

1494
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: three out of the five, I'd be honestly stunned. I

1495
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: would say he was one of the most successful New

1496
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: York City politicians literally ever. But the days of like

1497
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: even if we judge the great mayors or okay, fine,

1498
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: not the great mayors maybe in our view, but the

1499
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: good mayors in the voter's view, is always what it

1500
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: just comes down to crime. That's what they're like, Oh,

1501
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: he lowered the crime rate, he cleaned up the city.

1502
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: They don't ever say, really, ever much about anything else,

1503
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't. You only have a significant amount that

1504
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: you can actually control. And to be clear, President is

1505
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: very different, but in a lot of ways, the same

1506
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: dynamics I'm talking about. They exist at every level of

1507
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: the political spectrum. And that's not to poison the well,

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Speaker 1: I guess. I just want people's eyes to be open

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: for the reality of what you're not even what you're

1510
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: signed off for, but of what it even means to

1511
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: really participate. Like at a local level, you don't have

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: nearly as much control as you think you do, and

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: I think it's sad. I wish you had more. I

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: don't know.

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: Don't hope people don't believe in anything.

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01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Don't hope you can believe. You can believe you can

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01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: believe what you want. Whether you will get any of

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: what you want, I'm not so sure about that, or

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: if you do, it'll be very very unique circumstances. You

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Speaker 1: want a good transition as to why I'm talking about

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01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: other stuff that and the people who rule us, and

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01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: the level of systems and the baked in assumptions that

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01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: make it so that your life isn't going to be affordable.

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Speaker 1: Let me all enlighten you about a little thing that's

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01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: going on in my home state of Texas. Let's go

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: and put this up here on the screen. Okay, this

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01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: is like the hidden gerontocracy that rules all of us.

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: So the Texas Texas voters today will take to their

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01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: ballot boxes to vote on a little proposition. Now that

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: proposition is worded in such a way for property tax relief. Now,

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: who could be against property tax relief? Right? Nobody likes

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: paying property taxes, It's horrible. Everybody wants to vote to

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: cut them. But here's the little thing that they decided

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: to hide inside of it. What they decided to hide

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: is that, actually, what a lot of Texas voters are

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: almost certainly to green light is something called the Texas

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: Older Adult Homestead Exemption, which would not only will the

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: state pick up the tab for homeowners under age of

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01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: sixty five, but those sixty five and older would gain

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: an extra benefit. If the new property tax bills are

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01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: approved by the voters, the current homestead exemption would be

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01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: increased from a current homestead exemption for those sixty five

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: or older is one hundred and ten thousand. That's already

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: an increase from fifty thousand two years ago. The exemption

1545
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: would then jump to one hundred and sixty thousand and

1546
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: a total of two hundred thousand combined with a new thing.

1547
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: What that means is that you get to ride off

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: a significant portion of your overall property value whenever it

1549
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: comes to your actual property tax. Two million Texas State

1550
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: residents would actually be affected by this, and what it

1551
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: would also do is cut the school taxes that people

1552
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: who are sixty five and up would pay by up

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: to fifty percent. So the way that this is worded

1554
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: is basically, and by the way, again, I'm not under

1555
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: no illusions this shit's going to pass one hundred percent

1556
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: because everybody doesn't want to pay property tax. Well, and

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: this gets to what we were talking about earlier. What

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01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: most people in Texas love is usually like, oh, we

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: have no income tax. Well, okay, that's great, but it

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: means a property tax is going to finance the vast

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: majority of local services. Well, who wants to pay for

1562
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: those local services? Well, the people who benefit from those

1563
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: local services, let's say emergency services and others, and they're

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01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: all financed. And this a little reductive, but elderly people,

1565
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: by and large, you know, consume a large amount of

1566
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: those services. But what they have decided to do is

1567
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: to rig the property tax system such that they will

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: get their school taxes cut. And the justification is that

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01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: they don't have children in sas anymore, so they should

1570
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: not have to pay for it. Now, let's all just

1571
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: sit with that is that even though older people in

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01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: the past had to pay for their children's schools, their

1573
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: decision is that because they don't use the schools, they

1574
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to pay for them anymore. And what the

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: net result means is that people who people who are

1576
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: younger who don't get a property tax homestead exemption, even

1577
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: though their property values are also exploding, not only will

1578
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 1: have to pay property tax, they will have to shift

1579
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: the burden of school taxes onto them. This is the

1580
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: type of hidden nonsense which makes it so that being

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: young and having a family in this country becomes unaffordable.

1582
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: And these are the types of people who vote. And

1583
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm so enraged by it because I'm watching

1584
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: this happen in every state across the country. New York State,

1585
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: by the way, very similar homestead exemption. This elderly exemption

1586
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: tax is built on this idea of so called fixed

1587
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: income and the theory behind it is that people who

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: are on Social Security should not be quote forced out

1589
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: of their homes. Now. First of all, they get a

1590
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: cost of living adjustment from the Social Security Administration of inflation.

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two is, at the end of

1592
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: the day, who is the state supposed to serve? What

1593
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: is Texas so proud of all of these millions of

1594
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: people moving from across the country for affordable housing to

1595
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: send their children to school. They're now going to have

1596
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: to be stuck with more of a bill because these

1597
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: elderly people don't want to pay for their children's school.

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01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: We all live in a society, and just by the way,

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of this whole like, well, we

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01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: don't use the schools, so we shouldn't have to pay

1601
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: for them. I'm not morbidly obese. I don't go on dialysis.

1602
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: One percent of the whole federal budget is for a dialysis.

1603
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: I am not a Medicare recipient, a Social Security recipient.

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01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't get any sort of exemption. I can't opt out.

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: By the way, do you know how many childless people

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01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: I know? I lived where I currently live now for

1607
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: years with no children and didn't use the schools. I

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: still had to pay the school tax. Childless people all

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01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: over the country have to pay school tax if they're

1610
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: under the age of sixty five. I just think it's

1611
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: totally absurd the way this is happening. And this is

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: again a nation wide thing which is gaining steam, in

1613
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: particular in areas where a lot of younger people are moving.

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: So let's put B eight pleas up on the screen,

1615
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: because there's a similar measure down in Atlanta and in

1616
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: Fulton County where they similarly want to do some sort

1617
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: of cap for property tax and schools, specifically for people

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: who are sixty five and above. This, by the way,

1619
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: is only an expansion of what is already the case

1620
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: in almost every state in the country, which is adopting

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: these sixty five plus property tax exemptions for people who

1622
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: are on so called fixed income. And what it does

1623
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: is it locks elderly people into their homes and you

1624
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: basically are supercharging the whole nation as California, where when

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: people in California, you know, they bought a house at

1626
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand, they lock the increase in the amount

1627
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: of their property tax such that they don't have to

1628
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: pay the actual market rate, but when they sell the house,

1629
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: the person who buys that house still has to pay

1630
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: the property tax of the newlyest test market value. And

1631
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: what it means is that boomers never leave a shit

1632
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: ton of housing stocks. So this is this is kind

1633
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about about, the hidden you know,

1634
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: things but underneath that make it completely unaffordable, and that frankly, like,

1635
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: it's not even a political there's no politician that can

1636
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: just wave a wand and do away with it. Because

1637
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: here in Tech or in Texas, this is massively popular.

1638
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: The way they phrase it is for elderly people. Most

1639
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: people are like, I want property tax relief, and they

1640
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: don't even look at it, well, they don't even understand

1641
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: what the benefit, like, what the impetus behind it is.

1642
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: What I would say is this is actually part of

1643
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: a political vision that is being effectuated, which is there's

1644
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: a number of parts to this. I mean, number one,

1645
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: Republicans have long had a war on public education effectively,

1646
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: and you know this is the push for for vouchers

1647
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: and against teacher unions and all of you know, you

1648
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: see lots of anti teacher rhetoric coming from the right,

1649
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 2: and you long have and so it's you know. That's

1650
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: that's one piece of this. Like they used to cut

1651
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: the budget for the schools is something that Republicans are

1652
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: always excited to take up.

1653
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 3: That's number one.

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: Number two, you have in the type of voters you're

1655
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: talking about, they're very politically powerful because they vote, they vote,

1656
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: they contribute to politicians, they do the volunteer work, they

1657
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: show up like and so yes, they've amassed a large

1658
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: amount of political power, and so politicians very much cater

1659
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: to them. So then you have the long term national

1660
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: bipartisan project of inserting sort of like this hyper individualism

1661
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: where it's everybody up by their bootstraps, every man for himself,

1662
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: and so it manifests in ways like this where you

1663
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: said this comment about like they have to live in society,

1664
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: like we all have to live in society, don't society?

1665
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: But well, and that's the.

1666
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 2: Thing is that's that is an ideology that has been

1667
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: perpetuated in this country for decades now, basically like who

1668
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 2: cares about society?

1669
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: You get yours. And I think we're at the.

1670
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: Like extreme like tail end of that ideological project where

1671
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 2: it feels like the economy is very uncertain, AI is

1672
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: coming climate crisis, like existential politics, all of these sort

1673
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: of you know, all of these sort of crises that

1674
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: are mounting and right in front of our faces, and

1675
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: so you have more and more people who are in

1676
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: a mentality of like I'm just going to get mine.

1677
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 2: You see that all the way up to the White

1678
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: House by the way of like, you know, I'm going

1679
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: to get mine with my crypto deals and building out

1680
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: my ballroom and doing whatever the hell I want while

1681
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: I can. So I think that ideology also infects the public,

1682
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: and not to make too much of it, but as

1683
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, this is like one small instance of the

1684
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: way that that plays out in the public policy.

1685
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's small. Because Florida is about to

1686
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: try and abolish all property taxes. That is the one

1687
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: of the oldest states in the country. Like do we

1688
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: all understand that is that these places which are zero

1689
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: income tax are now going after property tax to make

1690
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: it so that all of the people who are young

1691
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: who move to those states for affordability get the entire

1692
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: tax burden.

1693
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: Shifted onto em regressive It is not only.

1694
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: Think about this, I mean, look, you know, I'm going

1695
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: to sound like an uber lib now at this point,

1696
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: who do you think is floating the state of Florida

1697
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: literally whenever it comes to hurricane relief. The federal government

1698
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: who pays the vast majority of the income for a

1699
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of their residence. The federal government and all of

1700
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: us via Social Security, who's the one paying for all

1701
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: their health care, all of us via Medicare. This is

1702
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: the stuff that drives me crazy. They have no they

1703
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: have no qualms lobbying for their you know, their tax

1704
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: free Social Security, every tax benefit in the world. They

1705
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: are the wealthiest generation in the entire country. They make

1706
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: it so they lock up the housing stock, you know,

1707
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: increase vastly the amount of wealth that they have, and

1708
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: then lobby to make it so that they don't have

1709
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: to pay very much for any of it on a

1710
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: tax level, and shift the burden to people with young children.

1711
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: All of society is basically structured this way. You know.

1712
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: I was talking recently about the health insurance thing, and

1713
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: the thing is is if you look at the overall

1714
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 1: increase right now for not just Obamacare but in general,

1715
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: is some fifteen percent. Well, guess what, you know, we

1716
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: are paying hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars

1717
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: a month the average person who has let's say two children.

1718
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: People on medicare, you know, they're always complaining because they

1719
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: have to pay one or two hundred bucks a month.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what a joke. And the theory is that, oh,

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Speaker 1: that they paid into it. No, the vast majority of

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: Medicare recipients receive vastly more dollars from the federal government

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Speaker 1: than they ever paid into the system. And I just

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: think what it does is that they're private tized there. Basically,

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: we have socialism for the old and we have rugged

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Speaker 1: individualism for the young, and they like it this way.

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Speaker 1: This is part of the issue where the shifting tax

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: burden and in terms of the cost of living crisis

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: is dramatically affecting family formation, marriage, the entire American dream.

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Speaker 1: And at the very same time, the states which have

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01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: the most elderly influence are actually making it to shift

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Speaker 1: even more of the tax burden on the people who

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01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: are younger. You even see it here in the in

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: the federal government. Who got the best tax cut people

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01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: were all social Security. You know, there's no organized effort

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: for anybody who's young. Like I've been thinking about an AARP.

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: One of the most successful lobbying organization is literally ever

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: and of course nobody can crosswise them as politicians. Why

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: don't we have that for people who are like thirty

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: five and under, Like, why don't we have you know anyway,

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01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: hell like sixty five and under, there's no like unity

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: or there's no unity sympathy or general consensus for a

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: lot of people. So I guess it's a long way winded.

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Speaker 1: Was saying what you're, you know, backing up your point

1745
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: about society. Like people genuinely, especially the wealthiest and the

1746
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: elderly here seem to actually believe that they made it

1747
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: on their own and not because of a variety of

1748
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: structural factors which were societally based. And they're now telling

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01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: the young people screw you, like make it on well.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's sick if you have, if you,

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, give up on like living. We live in

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 2: a society and we're kind of alost together. I mean,

1753
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: the the country literally doesn't work. I mean even if

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01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: you think about right now we're talking about Trump is

1755
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 2: threatening New York City. Funny, right, Californians and New Yorkers

1756
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: are looking at how much they send to the federal

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: government and how much they get back and are going

1758
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 2: fuck you, fuck you. I feel that way right now

1759
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: float the rest of the country.

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: You know, you look at.

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01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: Your Mississippis and your Arkansas's like you're nothing without us

1763
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: New York and California, and you know these blue states

1764
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: that have massive job creation and wealth and like send

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01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: more tax revenue or net have send more to the

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: federal government than they're getting back. And so when that

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: logic starts to take hold, you start to get you know,

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: I've seen people calling for hey, you know what, We're

1769
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: not sending our tax revenue in the federal ar We

1770
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: will send it to a trust to be held and

1771
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: then when you give us what we're supposed to get,

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01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: then we'll send you the tax revenue. That's the sort

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 2: of thing that it lives leads to on a national level,

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: when you lose the idea of this is the society

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: and we're all doing this thing together. And you know,

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01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of bricks laid on the path

1777
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: to that place. But Trumps, with many things, is accelerating

1778
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: in that direction when he's explicitly he is explicitly withholding

1779
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: billions of dollars from states that he doesn't like.

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Speaker 3: The politics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't you feel that way openly.

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: Threatening New York City right now because they're voting for

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Speaker 2: someone that he doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't you feel that what I do? Like

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01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: with this bailout to Argentina and every time we have

1786
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: to pay our quarterly taxes. I'm just I guess it

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01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: makes me. I mean it's one of those where, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to fall victim to the

1789
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: same sense of the boomers, like, but when you see

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01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: what actually gets prioritized at the federal level, I just

1791
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: why I focus on the on the property tax thing

1792
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: that is the one which has the most impact on

1793
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: your actual life is schools if you're young, is schools.

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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: And the fact that these people want to opt out

1795
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: because they quote don't use it anymore, while at the

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01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: same time, taking the socialized benefits that all of us

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01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: are paying into and floating them makes its It's infuriating

1798
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: to a level that not nearly enough people have bought into.

1799
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: And what's even worse is a lot of people are like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: why would you ever want to tax anybody? I'm like, well,

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01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: do we have schools or not? Like we have to

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: have a school.

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Speaker 2: You want to live in a society where people are

1804
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 2: just like completely uneducated and illiterate, and only the exact

1805
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: send their kids to private schools, and that's the society

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01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: you want to live in.

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Speaker 1: We've already lived in that society, and we all collectively

1808
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: decided we're not doing that anymore. And now there's like

1809
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: this new war basically to say that public education. And

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01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not some free college guy, Okay, that's about higher education.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about K through twelve. Did we not all

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Speaker 1: have some sort of a consensus whenever it came to that,

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Speaker 1: and we have a lot of local input. I think

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Speaker 1: it's great that everybody fights about what's happening in schools.

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01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: It's good that because it means you care about your education,

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01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: you should have a say. But the point actually comes

1817
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: back to the reason you have a say is because

1818
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: you pay into it. And then these people don't even

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: want to pay for it because they're not using it.

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01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: They want some a la carte system for it. And

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: this is the reason I'm raising the alarm is that

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01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: as they have massed more wealth, more political power, this

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01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: is now happening in almost every major state in the country.

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01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: California has it for boomers. Now Texas is going to

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01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: expand it. Florida literally wants to eliminate it. If you

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,839
Speaker 1: are under the age of thirty five, if you have children,

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01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: you are the person who is massively going to see

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01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: your property tax bill and it has to increase from

1829
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: somewhere and in a lot of these case, in a

1830
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 1: lot of cases, they're making it so that the burden

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01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: and again you're already paying extraordinary amounts for health care,

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01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: for basic costs of living. This is a singular part

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01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: where public education, something we used to be able to

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01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: rely on, is now actually going to be made more

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01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: expensive for the actual families, for people who are going

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Speaker 1: to be the future, which I think is totally wrong.