1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,777 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, let make 2 00:00:14,777 --> 00:00:17,657 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app 3 00:00:17,897 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,097 --> 00:00:22,857 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief, diving into national security, 5 00:00:22,857 --> 00:00:26,577 Speaker 2: the Middle East, Israel, Hamas, Iran and more with our 6 00:00:26,617 --> 00:00:30,577 Speaker 2: friend David iFun on this episode. He is the publisher 7 00:00:30,617 --> 00:00:33,177 Speaker 2: of the New York Son David. Always a pleasure, good 8 00:00:33,177 --> 00:00:33,537 Speaker 2: to see you. 9 00:00:34,937 --> 00:00:36,377 Speaker 1: Likewise, Buck, thanks for having. 10 00:00:36,177 --> 00:00:38,737 Speaker 2: Me first, if you would, would you put into context 11 00:00:38,777 --> 00:00:43,297 Speaker 2: for us? You know, last weekend there was this strike 12 00:00:43,457 --> 00:00:47,257 Speaker 2: of drones and missiles essentially all just swatted away by 13 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:51,937 Speaker 2: Israel and its allies. What was your your what were 14 00:00:51,977 --> 00:00:54,977 Speaker 2: your biggest takeaways from from that and how do you 15 00:00:54,977 --> 00:00:56,777 Speaker 2: think it might affect things going forward? 16 00:00:59,577 --> 00:01:02,017 Speaker 1: Well, I think the biggest takeaway is just for people 17 00:01:02,057 --> 00:01:07,137 Speaker 1: to understand that while Iran and its fellow travelers in 18 00:01:07,177 --> 00:01:09,977 Speaker 1: the region kind of talk a big game, it really 19 00:01:10,257 --> 00:01:16,697 Speaker 1: is outmatched when it comes to direct combat with the Israelis. 20 00:01:16,497 --> 00:01:19,457 Speaker 1: As we saw. You know, Israel has multiple tiers of 21 00:01:19,497 --> 00:01:22,497 Speaker 1: missile defense, so they have you know, the David Sling 22 00:01:22,657 --> 00:01:24,297 Speaker 1: is kind of the first layer. Then you have the 23 00:01:24,337 --> 00:01:26,217 Speaker 1: iron dumb, then you have the arrow, plus you have 24 00:01:26,257 --> 00:01:30,857 Speaker 1: patriot missile batteries. Obviously the participation of quite a few 25 00:01:30,897 --> 00:01:34,057 Speaker 1: allies in the region, including Arab states by the way, 26 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:37,777 Speaker 1: that are see Iran equally as an adversary in the 27 00:01:37,817 --> 00:01:41,817 Speaker 1: way that that the Israelis do. Iran, on the other hand, 28 00:01:42,497 --> 00:01:45,617 Speaker 1: has no missile defenses whatsoever, and the Israelis have some 29 00:01:45,737 --> 00:01:49,377 Speaker 1: quite potent ballistic missiles as well, Jericho missiles, and they 30 00:01:49,377 --> 00:01:53,657 Speaker 1: could inflict a great deal of damage, which is why 31 00:01:54,017 --> 00:01:57,577 Speaker 1: up until now, Iran has taken the approach of working 32 00:01:57,577 --> 00:02:00,697 Speaker 1: through proxies and has sort of developed what it caused, 33 00:02:00,737 --> 00:02:04,257 Speaker 1: this ring of fire of many proxy states surrounding the 34 00:02:04,297 --> 00:02:07,057 Speaker 1: Jewish state with his ball on the south of Lebanon 35 00:02:07,137 --> 00:02:09,777 Speaker 1: and branches of his bowl in the south of Syria, 36 00:02:09,817 --> 00:02:13,217 Speaker 1: and then of course Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Gaza. 37 00:02:13,217 --> 00:02:16,697 Speaker 1: Obviously that reports lately that Iran is also working to 38 00:02:16,697 --> 00:02:20,097 Speaker 1: de stabilize Jordan, which is on another one of the borders, 39 00:02:20,097 --> 00:02:23,697 Speaker 1: and Huthi's and Yemen have seen missiles flying towards it 40 00:02:24,097 --> 00:02:28,177 Speaker 1: and towards Israel from the Red Sea angle. So it 41 00:02:28,217 --> 00:02:30,897 Speaker 1: was unusual, i would say, at least from my end, 42 00:02:30,937 --> 00:02:35,457 Speaker 1: to see the Iranians enter directly into conflict. Seemed like 43 00:02:35,497 --> 00:02:37,697 Speaker 1: they were trying to make a point, and I would 44 00:02:37,737 --> 00:02:41,617 Speaker 1: suspect that they were comfortable doing so because they were 45 00:02:41,657 --> 00:02:45,017 Speaker 1: confident on the outside that the international community, led by 46 00:02:45,017 --> 00:02:48,937 Speaker 1: the United States, would really lean on Israel into tempering 47 00:02:48,937 --> 00:02:51,577 Speaker 1: its response, which of course is exactly what we've seen 48 00:02:51,617 --> 00:02:52,657 Speaker 1: happen in the aftermath. 49 00:02:53,257 --> 00:02:56,897 Speaker 2: Do you think that the IDF, or rather, do you 50 00:02:56,937 --> 00:03:00,657 Speaker 2: think that the Iranians knew the IDF would be able 51 00:03:00,737 --> 00:03:06,137 Speaker 2: to effectively swat away all of the salvo fired or 52 00:03:06,857 --> 00:03:09,857 Speaker 2: you know, so basically people have been saying, this is 53 00:03:09,897 --> 00:03:12,217 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to get out with you, David, that 54 00:03:12,297 --> 00:03:17,937 Speaker 2: this is Iran throwing effectively at a lethal tantrum. Yes, 55 00:03:18,017 --> 00:03:19,577 Speaker 2: an act of war. I mean, not to make it 56 00:03:19,617 --> 00:03:22,057 Speaker 2: sound like a minor thing it's not, but that this 57 00:03:22,177 --> 00:03:25,297 Speaker 2: was for the domestic political optics of we're not going 58 00:03:25,337 --> 00:03:28,737 Speaker 2: to just let our brothers in Gaza suffer while doing nothing. 59 00:03:29,097 --> 00:03:32,017 Speaker 2: So they do this, which doesn't really do anything other 60 00:03:32,097 --> 00:03:35,457 Speaker 2: than make Iran look like it's pretty militarily impotent. Is 61 00:03:35,497 --> 00:03:38,857 Speaker 2: that How do you view that assessment? I feel like 62 00:03:38,857 --> 00:03:40,177 Speaker 2: that was pretty common. 63 00:03:39,937 --> 00:03:42,377 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think so there have been times 64 00:03:42,417 --> 00:03:46,377 Speaker 1: in the past when Iran has wanted to take that approach, 65 00:03:46,417 --> 00:03:50,297 Speaker 1: specifically not only because of the Israel, but regarding the 66 00:03:50,377 --> 00:03:54,217 Speaker 1: United States. I think their response to the targeted assassination 67 00:03:54,297 --> 00:03:56,777 Speaker 1: of customs so the money under the Trump administration was 68 00:03:56,777 --> 00:04:01,657 Speaker 1: an example. They telegraphed an advance the basis that they 69 00:04:01,657 --> 00:04:05,857 Speaker 1: were targeting in Irbil, in northern Iraq, Kurdis Kurdish Iraq, 70 00:04:06,617 --> 00:04:11,537 Speaker 1: and they deliberately missed their target by a significant margin. 71 00:04:11,617 --> 00:04:16,177 Speaker 1: So if that was the intention, I don't think they'd 72 00:04:16,217 --> 00:04:18,857 Speaker 1: have had to have had to throw quite quite the 73 00:04:18,897 --> 00:04:22,057 Speaker 1: barrage that that they had. I mean, they they they've 74 00:04:22,097 --> 00:04:24,297 Speaker 1: done that in the past, and it doesn't look like this. 75 00:04:24,497 --> 00:04:27,457 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. When you when you send 76 00:04:27,537 --> 00:04:31,337 Speaker 1: sort of three hundred projectiles over, including some pretty advanced 77 00:04:31,337 --> 00:04:34,897 Speaker 1: missiles and different types of missiles and waves, what it 78 00:04:34,937 --> 00:04:36,897 Speaker 1: looks like to me is as if they're trying to 79 00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:40,297 Speaker 1: overwhelm Israeli air defenses, which means that their intention was 80 00:04:40,297 --> 00:04:41,977 Speaker 1: that some of these missiles would get through. And of 81 00:04:42,017 --> 00:04:45,777 Speaker 1: course some of them carry massive payloads, so you know, 82 00:04:45,817 --> 00:04:47,857 Speaker 1: you only need one or two to land to cause 83 00:04:48,297 --> 00:04:51,017 Speaker 1: you know, really significant damage. So I don't think it 84 00:04:51,057 --> 00:04:53,417 Speaker 1: was their intention just to sort of make a loud noise. 85 00:04:54,417 --> 00:04:56,617 Speaker 1: I think their intention was that some of these missiles 86 00:04:56,617 --> 00:05:00,177 Speaker 1: would hit their mark and it would draw as weel 87 00:05:00,217 --> 00:05:03,177 Speaker 1: into into a broader conflict. And they were surprised I 88 00:05:03,217 --> 00:05:07,697 Speaker 1: think by the potency of Israel's defenses, but also the 89 00:05:07,737 --> 00:05:09,817 Speaker 1: speed with which as well was able to mobilize. It's 90 00:05:09,817 --> 00:05:13,417 Speaker 1: a line in the region which which were actually crucial 91 00:05:13,457 --> 00:05:16,257 Speaker 1: into into preventing this baroja. I think without the United 92 00:05:16,257 --> 00:05:19,177 Speaker 1: States participation in some allies in the region, it would 93 00:05:19,217 --> 00:05:22,857 Speaker 1: have been hard for Israel to contain this this barranch 94 00:05:22,897 --> 00:05:24,297 Speaker 1: of this extent on on its own. 95 00:05:24,497 --> 00:05:26,577 Speaker 2: Can you can you speak to that actually, because the 96 00:05:26,577 --> 00:05:30,577 Speaker 2: the network of alliances that Israel has, I mean, this 97 00:05:30,657 --> 00:05:32,697 Speaker 2: is a moment where you see who your allies really are, right, 98 00:05:32,737 --> 00:05:34,617 Speaker 2: I mean this, this is when it counts, when you 99 00:05:34,657 --> 00:05:37,657 Speaker 2: can count on somebody to shoot incoming missiles to your 100 00:05:37,737 --> 00:05:41,537 Speaker 2: territory down on your behalf or not right. And I 101 00:05:41,577 --> 00:05:43,417 Speaker 2: mean some of the countries that I saw involved in this, 102 00:05:43,497 --> 00:05:46,697 Speaker 2: for example the Jordanians, but others. There are other reports 103 00:05:46,737 --> 00:05:51,737 Speaker 2: that even other regional allies were you know, helping with 104 00:05:52,417 --> 00:05:56,497 Speaker 2: early warning on this, like who was involved in subverting 105 00:05:56,537 --> 00:05:58,817 Speaker 2: this strike by the Iranians on Israel. 106 00:06:00,657 --> 00:06:03,937 Speaker 1: Well, certainly first and foremost the United States, but I 107 00:06:03,977 --> 00:06:06,577 Speaker 1: do believe, you know, intelligence from the Ammiratis and the 108 00:06:06,577 --> 00:06:11,217 Speaker 1: Saudis and others and the Jordanians prove played a pivotal role. 109 00:06:11,257 --> 00:06:14,777 Speaker 1: I mean, look, one of the most baffling, well, I 110 00:06:14,777 --> 00:06:18,697 Speaker 1: don't want to say baffling, but ine excusable positions that 111 00:06:18,777 --> 00:06:23,737 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has taken has been its approach towards Iran, 112 00:06:23,977 --> 00:06:27,457 Speaker 1: even more so than its approach towards Russia. It's kind 113 00:06:27,497 --> 00:06:32,617 Speaker 1: of battling the regime and its initiatives. It's meddling in 114 00:06:32,657 --> 00:06:35,177 Speaker 1: the region. It's belligerents in the region with one hand, 115 00:06:35,577 --> 00:06:39,137 Speaker 1: while also sustaining in fueling it with the other hand. 116 00:06:39,497 --> 00:06:43,017 Speaker 1: You know, we are fueling the fire and then wondering 117 00:06:43,097 --> 00:06:46,297 Speaker 1: why the hell it's hot. You know, that's really what's 118 00:06:46,337 --> 00:06:48,057 Speaker 1: going on here. I mean, the amount of funds that 119 00:06:48,057 --> 00:06:53,617 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has allowed to flow to the Iranians indirectly, yes, 120 00:06:53,657 --> 00:06:56,337 Speaker 1: but funds that the regime would not have had access 121 00:06:56,377 --> 00:07:00,417 Speaker 1: to otherwise. In the end of the day, there are 122 00:07:01,177 --> 00:07:04,017 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of actors and allies in the region 123 00:07:05,377 --> 00:07:09,297 Speaker 1: very happy to see the Iranians gone and dealt with. 124 00:07:09,377 --> 00:07:12,217 Speaker 1: I mean, I posted this on Twitter around the time 125 00:07:12,217 --> 00:07:17,097 Speaker 1: of the strike that ending the regime in Tehran, regime 126 00:07:17,177 --> 00:07:21,297 Speaker 1: change in Tehran, or ending the Ayatola regime in Tehran 127 00:07:21,497 --> 00:07:25,017 Speaker 1: really is a war to end all Mid East wars. 128 00:07:25,457 --> 00:07:28,737 Speaker 1: I mean the effects that it has. It would strangle 129 00:07:28,777 --> 00:07:32,257 Speaker 1: the occupation in southern Lebanon and in the Syrian Golan. 130 00:07:32,737 --> 00:07:35,177 Speaker 1: It would obviously boost our allies like the Kurds and 131 00:07:35,217 --> 00:07:38,057 Speaker 1: others in northern Iraqi. You know, most of Iraq is 132 00:07:38,097 --> 00:07:41,457 Speaker 1: now also controlled by Iranian allies, both on the ground 133 00:07:41,457 --> 00:07:45,257 Speaker 1: and in politics. It would basically end the civil war 134 00:07:45,297 --> 00:07:48,617 Speaker 1: and Yemen. It would stabilize Jordan. It would bring safety 135 00:07:48,657 --> 00:07:50,657 Speaker 1: to the Red Sea shipping lanes, which of course is 136 00:07:50,697 --> 00:07:55,137 Speaker 1: an interest in many international community. It would weaken the Taliban, 137 00:07:55,457 --> 00:07:59,657 Speaker 1: who of course are major human rights violators and now 138 00:07:59,697 --> 00:08:03,817 Speaker 1: cultivating you know, god knows what terror basis and new 139 00:08:03,897 --> 00:08:08,177 Speaker 1: Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. The Amtis, the Saudis 140 00:08:08,177 --> 00:08:12,097 Speaker 1: and Moroccans, the Egyptians, the Bahraini and most of all 141 00:08:12,417 --> 00:08:16,817 Speaker 1: the people of Iran. The people of Iran would all 142 00:08:17,017 --> 00:08:21,097 Speaker 1: welcome an initiative to remove this, to remove this regime. 143 00:08:21,137 --> 00:08:24,217 Speaker 1: I mean, you have millions of people in Iran who 144 00:08:24,257 --> 00:08:30,817 Speaker 1: would like to see Israel strike Iranian targets, IRGC targets, 145 00:08:30,897 --> 00:08:35,497 Speaker 1: Islamic regime targets who they see as their primary enemy. So, 146 00:08:36,137 --> 00:08:39,097 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to solve the issue, for 147 00:08:39,137 --> 00:08:42,417 Speaker 1: a long time, we've kind of just been dancing around it. 148 00:08:42,497 --> 00:08:44,817 Speaker 1: You know, a fight with Hamasa, fight with hasbella fight 149 00:08:44,857 --> 00:08:50,257 Speaker 1: with the who theser, you know, bombing, you know, some 150 00:08:50,657 --> 00:08:53,097 Speaker 1: of the hoothy capacity in Yemen to free up the 151 00:08:53,137 --> 00:08:55,497 Speaker 1: shipping lanes, or this or that or that, or this 152 00:08:55,537 --> 00:08:57,937 Speaker 1: attack boat or that attack boat. You know, it all 153 00:08:57,937 --> 00:09:00,657 Speaker 1: comes from Tehran. It all comes from the Islamic regime. 154 00:09:00,897 --> 00:09:04,217 Speaker 1: You solve that problem and you bring yourself one hundred 155 00:09:04,217 --> 00:09:06,017 Speaker 1: steps closer to peace in the Middle East. 156 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:09,137 Speaker 2: You mentioned Biden and his approach to Iran. I want 157 00:09:09,137 --> 00:09:11,577 Speaker 2: to dive into that, and also how things stand with 158 00:09:11,657 --> 00:09:14,697 Speaker 2: Israel and the American Jewish community as well. Given all 159 00:09:14,737 --> 00:09:16,977 Speaker 2: these dynamics. We'll get to that with David Ifoon of 160 00:09:17,017 --> 00:09:19,137 Speaker 2: the New York Sun here in a second. But you 161 00:09:19,217 --> 00:09:21,777 Speaker 2: might have seen this recently, people are going to big 162 00:09:21,817 --> 00:09:25,497 Speaker 2: box stores out there and big chain stores and they're saying, hey, 163 00:09:25,537 --> 00:09:28,937 Speaker 2: do you have gold because they want to buy precious metals, 164 00:09:29,497 --> 00:09:34,057 Speaker 2: and you should really consider this as well. Everyone. Gold 165 00:09:34,097 --> 00:09:37,817 Speaker 2: precious metals are a tangible currency, something you can have 166 00:09:37,937 --> 00:09:40,457 Speaker 2: on hand as a bug out plan. They allow you 167 00:09:40,497 --> 00:09:43,897 Speaker 2: to diversify your portfolio. They're a hedge against inflation, a 168 00:09:43,937 --> 00:09:47,657 Speaker 2: store of value, and look, historically gold increases in value 169 00:09:47,657 --> 00:09:51,857 Speaker 2: over time. We're in an inflationary environment. Gold is something 170 00:09:51,897 --> 00:09:55,217 Speaker 2: you can use to balance out your exposure, your risk 171 00:09:55,257 --> 00:09:59,217 Speaker 2: to the markets and to the currency right now. Because 172 00:09:59,297 --> 00:10:02,497 Speaker 2: gold is solid, it is good, it is tangible. You 173 00:10:02,537 --> 00:10:05,177 Speaker 2: should call the Oxford Gold Group. That's who I trust, 174 00:10:05,177 --> 00:10:07,457 Speaker 2: That's who I go to for my gold and silver purchases. 175 00:10:07,697 --> 00:10:10,017 Speaker 2: Because nobody can predict the future, but we can prepare 176 00:10:10,457 --> 00:10:12,577 Speaker 2: and that's what the Oxford Gold Group wants you to do. 177 00:10:12,977 --> 00:10:15,977 Speaker 2: They make owning gold and silver simple and easy to understand. 178 00:10:16,657 --> 00:10:19,457 Speaker 2: Call the Oxford Gold Group right now. You may qualify 179 00:10:19,537 --> 00:10:22,137 Speaker 2: for up to ten thousand dollars in free precious medals 180 00:10:22,497 --> 00:10:26,137 Speaker 2: eight three three nine nine five gold. That's eight three 181 00:10:26,297 --> 00:10:32,057 Speaker 2: three nine nine five gold eight three three nine nine 182 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:38,737 Speaker 2: five gold. All right, David D. Biden administration at this point. 183 00:10:38,737 --> 00:10:41,217 Speaker 2: I mean, the relationship with net Niyahu. Can we speak 184 00:10:41,217 --> 00:10:43,297 Speaker 2: about that for a minute, because it seems to me 185 00:10:43,497 --> 00:10:46,577 Speaker 2: like Biden wants to have it both ways. He wants 186 00:10:46,617 --> 00:10:49,897 Speaker 2: to say I'm the great ally of Israel, like presidents 187 00:10:49,937 --> 00:10:53,177 Speaker 2: before me have been, at least some of them, but 188 00:10:53,297 --> 00:10:55,657 Speaker 2: also I'm going to dictate what you can do to 189 00:10:55,737 --> 00:10:58,057 Speaker 2: defend your own people in a moment of crisis, like 190 00:10:58,657 --> 00:10:59,337 Speaker 2: what's going on. 191 00:11:00,257 --> 00:11:02,297 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the first thing to keep in mind 192 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:06,377 Speaker 1: is that, in truth, every single American president, with the 193 00:11:06,377 --> 00:11:09,977 Speaker 1: exception of Donald Trump, has tried to meddle in Israel's affairs, 194 00:11:10,137 --> 00:11:13,297 Speaker 1: not just Israel's affairs and lots of international affairs, but 195 00:11:13,777 --> 00:11:16,497 Speaker 1: in Israel's afairs. I mean, it was George Bush that 196 00:11:16,657 --> 00:11:20,017 Speaker 1: welcome and pressured Ariel Sharon to pull out of Gaza 197 00:11:20,017 --> 00:11:21,737 Speaker 1: in the third place in two thousand and five. I 198 00:11:21,817 --> 00:11:24,457 Speaker 1: was there when it happened. It was Condoleeza Rice that 199 00:11:24,577 --> 00:11:27,137 Speaker 1: insisted that Hamas be allowed to run in the two 200 00:11:27,137 --> 00:11:30,697 Speaker 1: thousand and seven elections that shortly followed in Gaza that 201 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:34,617 Speaker 1: brought Hamas to power. So it is usual part for 202 00:11:34,697 --> 00:11:38,657 Speaker 1: the course that American administrations medal in Israel's business. I 203 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:42,537 Speaker 1: think Trump, the Trump administration genuinely was the only administration 204 00:11:42,617 --> 00:11:45,297 Speaker 1: that said, listen, you guys know what your interests are, 205 00:11:45,457 --> 00:11:47,737 Speaker 1: so why don't you tell us what you think needs 206 00:11:47,777 --> 00:11:49,697 Speaker 1: to be done and will and will be supportive. That 207 00:11:49,817 --> 00:11:55,097 Speaker 1: was by far the anomaly. Certainly, the democratic administrations have 208 00:11:55,377 --> 00:12:00,577 Speaker 1: have leaned even further, even stronger. And you know, especially 209 00:12:01,937 --> 00:12:05,337 Speaker 1: a president like Joe Biden, who, at least in my understanding, 210 00:12:05,417 --> 00:12:09,017 Speaker 1: is not a person that is familiar with the concept 211 00:12:09,097 --> 00:12:16,617 Speaker 1: of principle. He's a he's a political animal, in in, in, in, 212 00:12:16,417 --> 00:12:23,057 Speaker 1: in the in the very worst connotations of correctly, he so, 213 00:12:23,537 --> 00:12:25,977 Speaker 1: you know, when when the world is sort of sympathetic 214 00:12:25,977 --> 00:12:28,137 Speaker 1: with Israel, so he'll say the right thing. If he 215 00:12:28,177 --> 00:12:31,457 Speaker 1: sees a political disadvantage in doing so, he'll turn in 216 00:12:31,817 --> 00:12:35,177 Speaker 1: a heartbeat. You know. He doesn't have any ideals that 217 00:12:35,217 --> 00:12:37,217 Speaker 1: he sticks to and that he'll stand by when they 218 00:12:37,217 --> 00:12:39,217 Speaker 1: go when they going, but gets tough and then he 219 00:12:39,337 --> 00:12:42,777 Speaker 1: sort of flips back. You know when when when when 220 00:12:42,817 --> 00:12:45,417 Speaker 1: the wind when the wind changes again, and I think 221 00:12:45,457 --> 00:12:48,417 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you know, the end of the day, 222 00:12:49,577 --> 00:12:53,217 Speaker 1: the the the the thing to understand about the relationship 223 00:12:53,297 --> 00:12:56,697 Speaker 1: with Nyahu and the pressure that's being applied on Nahu 224 00:12:56,897 --> 00:12:59,137 Speaker 1: that both bide And and Chuck Schuman others in the 225 00:12:59,137 --> 00:13:03,057 Speaker 1: Democratic Party think they can play this clever game where 226 00:13:03,097 --> 00:13:07,377 Speaker 1: their opposition us He's execute executing now that it feels 227 00:13:07,417 --> 00:13:10,177 Speaker 1: are in its best interest for self defense. Can he 228 00:13:10,297 --> 00:13:13,097 Speaker 1: positioned as an opposition to Nittanyahu and his government and 229 00:13:13,137 --> 00:13:15,097 Speaker 1: his right wing government and some of the right wing 230 00:13:15,537 --> 00:13:18,737 Speaker 1: partners in his government. But the truth is that the 231 00:13:18,777 --> 00:13:21,577 Speaker 1: policies that the Israeli government is executing right now, our 232 00:13:21,617 --> 00:13:25,697 Speaker 1: policies are supported by an overwhelming majority of the Israeli 233 00:13:26,057 --> 00:13:29,337 Speaker 1: of the Israeli public, and it is a national unity 234 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:35,177 Speaker 1: government formed together with one of benjaminia Who's staunchest opponents, 235 00:13:35,617 --> 00:13:39,057 Speaker 1: which is Benny Gantz. So this idea that it's all 236 00:13:39,097 --> 00:13:43,177 Speaker 1: about knit Nyahu is nonsense. He is executing on what 237 00:13:43,217 --> 00:13:46,057 Speaker 1: the Israeli people want and need and knows fundamental for 238 00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:50,977 Speaker 1: their security. And you know, this business of of sort 239 00:13:50,977 --> 00:13:53,817 Speaker 1: of positioning him is as crazy and out of lockstep 240 00:13:53,857 --> 00:13:56,537 Speaker 1: with the interests of the Israeli people. That's just not 241 00:13:56,617 --> 00:13:58,457 Speaker 1: in line with the reality, not even close. 242 00:13:58,897 --> 00:14:02,697 Speaker 2: Just had to understand something that was in the headlines 243 00:14:02,777 --> 00:14:07,857 Speaker 2: right before October seventh, and how everything changed in Israel 244 00:14:07,897 --> 00:14:11,537 Speaker 2: and the Middle East over the last what's six seven months? 245 00:14:12,337 --> 00:14:15,857 Speaker 2: The court issue with net Yahoo and the Israeli Supreme 246 00:14:15,857 --> 00:14:18,417 Speaker 2: Court and the constitution is there. Can you give us 247 00:14:18,457 --> 00:14:20,697 Speaker 2: a sixty second version of what was going on there, 248 00:14:20,857 --> 00:14:23,097 Speaker 2: just because it's still Sometimes it gets talked about because 249 00:14:23,057 --> 00:14:26,017 Speaker 2: the storyline now is net Yahoo is on the ropes, 250 00:14:26,377 --> 00:14:30,657 Speaker 2: this court issue the constitution in Israel, and then October 251 00:14:30,657 --> 00:14:33,977 Speaker 2: seventh happens and they unite behind him in almost Churchilean fashion. 252 00:14:34,017 --> 00:14:37,177 Speaker 2: He steps up, you know what, well, what's the back. 253 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:42,217 Speaker 1: What was happening before? I would describe as democracy as usual. 254 00:14:43,177 --> 00:14:46,777 Speaker 1: You've got a contentious issue in the country, namely the 255 00:14:46,817 --> 00:14:50,137 Speaker 1: power that the Supreme Court has versus other branches of government. 256 00:14:50,537 --> 00:14:53,097 Speaker 1: It didn't start with Netniao, it didn't start with this government. 257 00:14:53,137 --> 00:14:55,577 Speaker 1: It's been an issue that's festering for ages and ages 258 00:14:55,617 --> 00:15:00,257 Speaker 1: and ages. In short, the main bullet point is that 259 00:15:01,217 --> 00:15:03,377 Speaker 1: the judge itself, you know, as opposed to be in 260 00:15:03,377 --> 00:15:07,737 Speaker 1: this country, the administration selects new Supreme Court justices, but 261 00:15:07,857 --> 00:15:10,937 Speaker 1: in Israel there is a panel that selects the new 262 00:15:10,937 --> 00:15:17,537 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, and the current Supreme Court justices have 263 00:15:17,617 --> 00:15:20,857 Speaker 1: the capacity to veto new Supreme Court justices. You know, 264 00:15:20,897 --> 00:15:22,777 Speaker 1: there needs to there's a minimum threshold that needs to 265 00:15:22,817 --> 00:15:25,857 Speaker 1: be met. So and they include three of the current 266 00:15:25,857 --> 00:15:29,377 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices. So imagine a scenario like this where 267 00:15:29,617 --> 00:15:33,337 Speaker 1: the majority of the court is Republican or democratic, conservative 268 00:15:33,377 --> 00:15:36,737 Speaker 1: or liberal, and then any new appointment needs to be 269 00:15:36,817 --> 00:15:40,577 Speaker 1: approved by the majority. Right, So you're not going to have, 270 00:15:41,137 --> 00:15:43,977 Speaker 1: you know, an independent court. It's just going to stay 271 00:15:43,977 --> 00:15:46,897 Speaker 1: conservative or liberal forever. Right. So that's the scenario that 272 00:15:46,897 --> 00:15:48,657 Speaker 1: they've been dealing with in Israel for a long time. 273 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:52,777 Speaker 1: It's basically a permanently liberal Supreme Court. And you know, 274 00:15:52,897 --> 00:15:56,777 Speaker 1: that's a normal debate in democracy as to whether you know, 275 00:15:56,937 --> 00:15:59,297 Speaker 1: it's too much power and other changes you're going you're 276 00:15:59,297 --> 00:16:01,097 Speaker 1: going to make to the power that the Supreme Court has. 277 00:16:01,137 --> 00:16:03,777 Speaker 1: I mean, there's an argument that you know, over here 278 00:16:03,817 --> 00:16:06,057 Speaker 1: you have three branches. In Israel, you don't have three branches. 279 00:16:06,097 --> 00:16:08,777 Speaker 1: The legislative and the executive are very much into twine. 280 00:16:08,817 --> 00:16:11,097 Speaker 1: So maybe you need a more powerful Supreme Court. But 281 00:16:11,177 --> 00:16:14,337 Speaker 1: this is part of the negotiation that's happening in democracy. 282 00:16:14,377 --> 00:16:16,457 Speaker 1: I think the majority of people in the country support 283 00:16:16,577 --> 00:16:19,297 Speaker 1: some changes and you know, the country was in the 284 00:16:19,297 --> 00:16:21,857 Speaker 1: process of figuring out what those changes are. So you know, 285 00:16:21,897 --> 00:16:23,857 Speaker 1: there were bills that were proposed, and then there was 286 00:16:23,897 --> 00:16:26,977 Speaker 1: a lot of pushback, and ultimately that's how democracy works. 287 00:16:26,977 --> 00:16:29,337 Speaker 1: If you're going to make laws that people don't agree with, 288 00:16:29,377 --> 00:16:31,457 Speaker 1: you'll get voted out and the next people will will 289 00:16:31,497 --> 00:16:34,377 Speaker 1: switch them back. So there was a lot of sort 290 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:36,657 Speaker 1: of jumping up and down and screaming and shouting. But 291 00:16:37,817 --> 00:16:40,297 Speaker 1: I don't think it was it was anything unusual in 292 00:16:40,337 --> 00:16:43,057 Speaker 1: the sense that, you know, we have these debates in 293 00:16:43,097 --> 00:16:45,977 Speaker 1: this country all the time. As Winston Churchill famously said, 294 00:16:46,417 --> 00:16:49,017 Speaker 1: you know, democracy is the worst form of government besides 295 00:16:49,057 --> 00:16:51,537 Speaker 1: for all the others. It's a messy business, you know, 296 00:16:51,657 --> 00:16:54,257 Speaker 1: And that's what we were seeing play out in Israel. 297 00:16:54,297 --> 00:16:58,017 Speaker 1: It's a real democracy, representative democracy, and it's as messy 298 00:16:58,057 --> 00:17:01,097 Speaker 1: as a good or as a good, you know, functioning 299 00:17:01,137 --> 00:17:02,097 Speaker 1: democracy should be. 300 00:17:03,577 --> 00:17:06,257 Speaker 2: I just got to say, we're speaking about messy democracies 301 00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:08,377 Speaker 2: and elections. We're gonna have to take a look at 302 00:17:08,377 --> 00:17:10,977 Speaker 2: the US situation here. And I want to ask if 303 00:17:11,017 --> 00:17:15,497 Speaker 2: you think that the Jewish vote in America in this 304 00:17:15,577 --> 00:17:21,257 Speaker 2: election cycle presidential and all the other contests could swing 305 00:17:21,377 --> 00:17:24,217 Speaker 2: more toward Republicans than in the past. 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What 334 00:18:54,857 --> 00:18:55,977 Speaker 2: do you what do you make of this? 335 00:18:57,977 --> 00:19:00,617 Speaker 1: I think there's a few points to understand in terms 336 00:19:00,657 --> 00:19:02,377 Speaker 1: of the Jewish vote. I mean the first one is, 337 00:19:02,457 --> 00:19:07,937 Speaker 1: like all populations, the Jewish population is not monolithic. You know, 338 00:19:07,937 --> 00:19:10,217 Speaker 1: there are different segments to the community. It's the v 339 00:19:10,457 --> 00:19:13,457 Speaker 1: is mostly more orthodox versus secular. I guess, in the 340 00:19:13,457 --> 00:19:16,657 Speaker 1: same way as you have in you know, the wider electorate. 341 00:19:16,737 --> 00:19:19,457 Speaker 1: You know, typically more religious people tend to vote more 342 00:19:19,497 --> 00:19:23,177 Speaker 1: conservative and the more secular folks tend to vote more liberal. 343 00:19:23,297 --> 00:19:26,137 Speaker 1: So the Jewish community is divided in a similar way, 344 00:19:26,537 --> 00:19:29,977 Speaker 1: and you know demographically. What's interesting for people to understand 345 00:19:30,017 --> 00:19:32,217 Speaker 1: is that these two segments of the Jewish community are 346 00:19:32,257 --> 00:19:35,057 Speaker 1: headed in opposite directions. The liberal wing of the Jewish 347 00:19:35,097 --> 00:19:38,737 Speaker 1: community is in decline, significantly in decline, and the more 348 00:19:38,817 --> 00:19:41,017 Speaker 1: orthodox wing of the Jewish community is one of the 349 00:19:41,017 --> 00:19:45,177 Speaker 1: fastest growing Jewish populations or fastest growing populations in the 350 00:19:45,257 --> 00:19:48,537 Speaker 1: United States. The other thing to keep in mind is that, 351 00:19:48,977 --> 00:19:53,777 Speaker 1: you know, voting shifts in terms of demographic populations typically 352 00:19:53,817 --> 00:19:56,777 Speaker 1: take generations. You know you have, and you know, that's 353 00:19:56,777 --> 00:19:59,697 Speaker 1: certainly the case of the Jewish community as an immigrant community. Initially, 354 00:19:59,697 --> 00:20:02,697 Speaker 1: as an immigrant community, the Democratic Party was always seen 355 00:20:02,737 --> 00:20:05,657 Speaker 1: as more friendly to immigrants. And I think that's kind 356 00:20:05,657 --> 00:20:08,817 Speaker 1: of the assumption for Latinos and you know, other minority 357 00:20:08,857 --> 00:20:12,177 Speaker 1: groups that the Democratic Party is more friendly. But you know, 358 00:20:12,497 --> 00:20:14,617 Speaker 1: like with the Italians and other and Irish and other 359 00:20:14,657 --> 00:20:16,857 Speaker 1: immigrant groups, as they become more entrenched and as they 360 00:20:16,897 --> 00:20:19,257 Speaker 1: become more comfortable in the country and start to think 361 00:20:19,297 --> 00:20:22,817 Speaker 1: about other things, like you know, it's not just about foodstamps, 362 00:20:22,857 --> 00:20:26,497 Speaker 1: it's about private property, and wealth grows and their success grows, 363 00:20:26,577 --> 00:20:29,737 Speaker 1: you know, that's when you see voting patterns start to evolve. 364 00:20:29,777 --> 00:20:33,057 Speaker 1: So I think in that sense, when people think about 365 00:20:33,137 --> 00:20:36,377 Speaker 1: the Jewish vote or other population segments and how they vote. 366 00:20:36,417 --> 00:20:37,977 Speaker 1: You know, you want to think about it not from 367 00:20:38,017 --> 00:20:41,537 Speaker 1: election to election, but from generation to generation in terms 368 00:20:41,577 --> 00:20:45,777 Speaker 1: of how these patterns evolve. Having said that, I would 369 00:20:45,817 --> 00:20:49,737 Speaker 1: say that I think there's a significant misread in the 370 00:20:50,497 --> 00:20:53,897 Speaker 1: Democratic Party of where the Jewish population is, where the 371 00:20:53,977 --> 00:20:57,257 Speaker 1: Jewish public is. You know, certainly the events of October 372 00:20:57,297 --> 00:21:00,857 Speaker 1: seventh and there aftermath have left a lot of folks 373 00:21:00,857 --> 00:21:05,897 Speaker 1: in the Jewish community leaving a feeling very unsettled. And 374 00:21:06,377 --> 00:21:09,537 Speaker 1: you're seeing folks that typically would be on the more 375 00:21:09,537 --> 00:21:12,977 Speaker 1: liberals expressing a lot of concern. In fact, I don't 376 00:21:12,977 --> 00:21:14,937 Speaker 1: know if you saw this. It was kind of circulating 377 00:21:14,977 --> 00:21:18,217 Speaker 1: on the web the other day on Twitter, but there's 378 00:21:18,217 --> 00:21:22,177 Speaker 1: a rabbi called Amiel Hershoe's rabbi at a very famous 379 00:21:22,257 --> 00:21:24,697 Speaker 1: liberal synagogue in New York, the Stephen Whisse Synagogue. He 380 00:21:24,777 --> 00:21:29,137 Speaker 1: gave a lecture or a sermon on Saturday, you know, 381 00:21:29,177 --> 00:21:32,217 Speaker 1: at the Shabbad service, and he says to the Democrats, 382 00:21:32,217 --> 00:21:35,657 Speaker 1: he said, do not take American Jews for granted. Be careful. 383 00:21:35,697 --> 00:21:38,217 Speaker 1: These are his words. The result of the upcoming elections 384 00:21:38,457 --> 00:21:42,137 Speaker 1: do not only depend on Michigan, and there are quite 385 00:21:42,177 --> 00:21:45,657 Speaker 1: a few swing states where the Jewish population is much 386 00:21:45,777 --> 00:21:48,337 Speaker 1: larger than the margin of victory that Joe Biden had 387 00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:52,217 Speaker 1: last time. And those include Pennsylvania, where the Jewish population 388 00:21:52,657 --> 00:21:55,697 Speaker 1: outweighs the Muslim population by about four to one. That's 389 00:21:55,817 --> 00:21:59,657 Speaker 1: nineteen electoral points. Michigan is only ten electoral points. Obviously, Florida, 390 00:21:59,657 --> 00:22:01,457 Speaker 1: I don't know if you still consider it a swing state, 391 00:22:01,497 --> 00:22:05,097 Speaker 1: but the Jewish vote there is very significant. Arizona, You've 392 00:22:05,097 --> 00:22:09,137 Speaker 1: got about one hundred thousand Jews, Ohio about one hundred 393 00:22:09,177 --> 00:22:13,017 Speaker 1: thousand Jews, orderly about one hundred thousand Jews, you know, 394 00:22:13,097 --> 00:22:16,217 Speaker 1: so North Carolina, I don't think it's that many, but 395 00:22:16,257 --> 00:22:20,497 Speaker 1: you know, it's a significant population. So you know, they 396 00:22:20,497 --> 00:22:22,737 Speaker 1: can be a very significant factor in this election, and 397 00:22:22,777 --> 00:22:26,137 Speaker 1: I think the Democrats are misreading it. What are misreading 398 00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:28,257 Speaker 1: kind of where the Jewish community is at. But one 399 00:22:28,257 --> 00:22:30,577 Speaker 1: other point that I think is worth making is the 400 00:22:30,657 --> 00:22:35,417 Speaker 1: role of RFK might have on this point. The lowest 401 00:22:35,417 --> 00:22:39,617 Speaker 1: percentage of the Jewish vote that any Democratic candidate received 402 00:22:40,177 --> 00:22:43,137 Speaker 1: in the last one hundred years was in nineteen eighty 403 00:22:43,177 --> 00:22:46,657 Speaker 1: election where Jimmy Carter ran against Ronald Reagan. Carter received 404 00:22:46,737 --> 00:22:49,857 Speaker 1: and Carter was perceived as being quite unfriendly towards Israel. 405 00:22:50,177 --> 00:22:53,097 Speaker 1: He received only forty five percent of the Jewish vote. 406 00:22:53,337 --> 00:22:56,057 Speaker 1: Reagan received thirty nine percent of the Jewish vote. But 407 00:22:56,097 --> 00:22:57,737 Speaker 1: what a lot of people don't remember was that it 408 00:22:57,817 --> 00:23:00,817 Speaker 1: was actually a third party candidate called John Anderson who 409 00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:03,897 Speaker 1: was running at the time, and he received fifteen percent 410 00:23:03,937 --> 00:23:10,377 Speaker 1: of the descent of the national vote. So you may 411 00:23:10,377 --> 00:23:13,617 Speaker 1: have a similar scenario here where folks that are really 412 00:23:13,657 --> 00:23:16,417 Speaker 1: unhappy with Joe Biden but aren't quite ready to pull 413 00:23:16,457 --> 00:23:19,257 Speaker 1: the trigger for Trump are going to head in the 414 00:23:19,297 --> 00:23:22,657 Speaker 1: direction of RFK. And I actually interviewed him about it 415 00:23:23,057 --> 00:23:25,377 Speaker 1: about it last week. We had an exclusive story about 416 00:23:25,377 --> 00:23:28,817 Speaker 1: it for The Sun, and he, you know, he maintained 417 00:23:28,817 --> 00:23:32,057 Speaker 1: that this wasn't an electoral advantage of political advantage. He 418 00:23:32,137 --> 00:23:34,697 Speaker 1: was taking the position at support him of Israel on principle. 419 00:23:35,777 --> 00:23:37,417 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I don't know how closely 420 00:23:37,457 --> 00:23:40,337 Speaker 1: he's looked at the Jewish vote, and obviously, you know, 421 00:23:40,377 --> 00:23:42,377 Speaker 1: there's a lot that you discover once people get into 422 00:23:42,377 --> 00:23:45,857 Speaker 1: the voting booths. I think there is a decent chance 423 00:23:46,217 --> 00:23:49,417 Speaker 1: that Biden will be surprised at how low his support 424 00:23:49,417 --> 00:23:51,737 Speaker 1: in the Jewish community is, and I don't know how 425 00:23:51,777 --> 00:23:53,417 Speaker 1: much it's going to go for Donald Trump if it's 426 00:23:53,457 --> 00:23:55,457 Speaker 1: going to be more than the typical thirty percent, maybe 427 00:23:55,457 --> 00:23:59,057 Speaker 1: slightly more, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have 428 00:23:59,097 --> 00:24:01,057 Speaker 1: a nice chunk of the Jewish vote that actually goes 429 00:24:01,097 --> 00:24:01,577 Speaker 1: for RFK. 430 00:24:02,217 --> 00:24:04,577 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly hope before we let you go, dond 431 00:24:04,617 --> 00:24:08,097 Speaker 2: First off, Ewarts, go check out and read and subscribe 432 00:24:08,097 --> 00:24:10,137 Speaker 2: to the New York Song. 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