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Emily Tisch Sussman: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Yan Appeal.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk

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Emily Tisch Sussman: with women who dare to pivot out of one career

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and into something new and explore how their personal lives

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Emily Tisch Sussman: impacts these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today

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Emily Tisch Sussman: we have another special candid conversation recorded live here at

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the Aspen Ideas Festival. Maybe you can hear the Aspen

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Emily Tisch Sussman: trees and streams behind me where I'm sitting down with

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Emily Tisch Sussman: some of the world's foremost leaders, innovators, and creators. Today

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Emily Tisch Sussman: is my conversation with Yan Appeal, President of Arts, Culture

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and Heritage at Chanel. I'm so excited she Pivots is

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Emily Tisch Sussman: one of the inaugural audio first media companies to partner

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Emily Tisch Sussman: with the festival. It was invigorating to be among brilliant

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Emily Tisch Sussman: leaders and thinkers from around the globe to discuss and

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Emily Tisch Sussman: hear the ideas that'll shape tomorrow and help us understand today.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Over the next few weeks, you'll hear live candid conversations

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Emily Tisch Sussman: from inspiring women recorded here at the festival, from geopolitical issues,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: to economic issues, to cultural issues and beyond. Each interview

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Emily Tisch Sussman: connects to the larger cultural moment we're in, and of course,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: interreeves their personal lives. I hope you walk away feeling

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Emily Tisch Sussman: as inspired and determined as I did to continue to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: share our stories and experiences to change the cultural landscape

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Emily Tisch Sussman: for a better tomorrow. Let's jump right in. So happy

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Emily Tisch Sussman: to be here at the Asmen Ideas Festival with Yana Peel,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the President of Arts, Culture and Heritage at Chanel. Her

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Emily Tisch Sussman: work at the intersection of art and innovation has opened

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Emily Tisch Sussman: doors for thousands and shaped cultural narratives of today. Welcome Yanna.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Thank you so much. Emily.

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Yana Peel: It's amazing to be back here at the Aspen Institute

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Yana Peel: because you were here before. I was definitely here before.

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Yana Peel: It's so nostalgic walking through these amazing buildings where I

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Yana Peel: have had the honor of spending several weeks as an

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Yana Peel: Aspen Fellow, Henry Crownfellow in fact. So it's wonderful to

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Yana Peel: be back here.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Those are the really prestigious ones. Oh my god, what's that?

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Yana Peel: Yes, fantastic, A wonderful program and ethical entrepreneurship. So we

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Yana Peel: were here on the lawn and now it's amazing to

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Yana Peel: be able to bring that program Aspen Institute back to

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Yana Peel: London and in one month we're going to have our

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Yana Peel: annual Cultural Leaders for It, which is where we get

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Yana Peel: cultural leaders from around the world to go through some

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Yana Peel: of the amazing exploration.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: That I got to do here as a fellow myself.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Oh love that, so cool, so cool.

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Yana Peel: Our group was too legit to quit, So it's great

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Yana Peel: to be back here. I've had some pivots, but decidedly

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Yana Peel: I'm going to carry that motto too legit to quit. Perfect,

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Yana Peel: it's perfect for this. So let's us back up. Can

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Yana Peel: you just set the scene for us, Little Yana, where

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Yana Peel: did you grow up?

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Emily Tisch Sussman: What was your family like?

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Yana Peel: Oh gosh, I guess roots in Saint Petersburg, boots in Canada,

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Yana Peel: shoots in London where I moved in nineteen ninety seven

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Yana Peel: for graduate work at the LC. So currently I am

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Yana Peel: living in London. I'm going back to Asia next week,

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Yana Peel: amazing seven years chairing an arts institution setting up Intelligence

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Yana Peel: Square at Asia. So I guess it's really been five segments,

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Yana Peel: a very important number for us at Chanel, starting with

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Yana Peel: my birth in Eastern Europe, growing up in Canada, moving

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Yana Peel: to London in my twenties from my education, heading to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: You're so global.

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Yana Peel: We try, you know, we can't accelerate the ideas that

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I feel like it might make sense for us to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I expected to see a Chanel president of Arts, Culture

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and Heritage. Did they create the job for you? I'm

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Emily Tisch Sussman: thinking yes, I feel like you're very cultural and worldly.

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Yana Peel: Gosh, I feel like I've never taken a job. I've

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Yana Peel: always made a job, very strangely and very fortunately. In

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Yana Peel: so many other luxury brands do so effectively. So in

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It's really a way to start it what a way

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Yana Peel: I started with the podcast because I thought, twenty twenty,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: And why is this important? Particularly at this moment in time.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It feels like it's icy you overwhelmed by all the

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Emily Tisch Sussman: just feels like there's so much. Why is this important

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Emily Tisch Sussman: is so much. It feels good to be able to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: wonderful being based in London and being able to work

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Emily Tisch Sussman: in this global way where you can focus on accelerating

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Emily Tisch Sussman: those ideas rather than picking any particular sides of any topics.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Tolstoy said, every happy family is happy in the same way.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: so I think what we focus on is really how

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Emily Tisch Sussman: to drive that joy gerhard Richter said that art is

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the greatest form of hope, and through our work in

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Emily Tisch Sussman: of women in the National Portrait Gallery, in our work

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Emily Tisch Sussman: enabling artists to harness technologies so that they can define

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Emily Tisch Sussman: What I learned in Aspen Institute was the Aristotolian ideal

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Emily Tisch Sussman: both of those countries because of their relationship. Do you

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Yana Peel: I find that I'm always working as an individual that's

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Yana Peel: human creation, human creativity in an era where AI is

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Okay, well I think all day about that, but it's

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Emily Tisch Sussman: about how human human let's do it. It's interesting that

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Emily Tisch Sussman: you're looking at humanity, at culture, at locality. You're looking

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Emily Tisch Sussman: with the brand. Did that come from you? Was that

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Emily Tisch Sussman: a mandate that came from the company? You know, so

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Emily Tisch Sussman: And I feel like that is definitely true for you

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Emily Tisch Sussman: in this job. You know, you've been in finance, you've

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Yana Peel: I had a mother who loved beautiful things in fashion.

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Yana Peel: Yes, I think those moments of discomfort are actually what

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Oh I love, I'd rather commit than complain. I am

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Emily Tisch Sussman: didn't necessarily think there was going to be an upside

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Emily Tisch Sussman: out of it, and hear the march through it, and think, Okay,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: what can I take from this that applies to my

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Emily Tisch Sussman: own life? And the cultural context matters so much, so

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Emily Tisch Sussman: much that for the most part, I don't think it

420
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Emily Tisch Sussman: can translate outside of the US. So we have different opportunities,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: we have different barriers and so I think part of

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Emily Tisch Sussman: why I keep coming back to this idea of Intelligence Squared.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I'm so struck by the fact that you took a

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Emily Tisch Sussman: program that is the biggest idea generator, you know, that

425
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Emily Tisch Sussman: is like, let's really challenge each other and let's have

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Emily Tisch Sussman: a civil debate around it in a time and a

427
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Emily Tisch Sussman: country that does not have the same context as the US,

428
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Emily Tisch Sussman: like the US. Really we challenge government, we challenge ideas,

429
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Emily Tisch Sussman: we encourage debate. That's really not the context that you

430
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Emily Tisch Sussman: were working in. And so I'm so interested by I mean,

431
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Emily Tisch Sussman: did you have government pushback? Did culturally did it work?

432
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Emily Tisch Sussman: Like were people they're interested in having intellectual debate on

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Emily Tisch Sussman: different topics.

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Yana Peel: Again, back to artists, I think this is where artists

435
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Yana Peel: can really work within the nuance to drive progress. If

436
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Yana Peel: you look at artists like Boris Pasternak driving Nobel Prize

437
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Yana Peel: winning literature at a time of closed government structures, If

438
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Yana Peel: we look at the complexities of trying to navigate a

439
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Yana Peel: museum like UCCA by the great Phil Tanari, you appreciate

440
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Yana Peel: that actually there are nuances and skills to cultural leaders

441
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Yana Peel: who are able to navigate their individual situations. I feel

442
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Yana Peel: I'm lucky to be able to move around in these ways,

443
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Yana Peel: to use my European background, my Canadian upbringing, my life

444
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Yana Peel: experience in Asia, and my UK base to really find

445
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Yana Peel: those areas where we have human overlap. And again, I

446
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Yana Peel: think that's where the greatest writers and filmmakers and poets

447
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Yana Peel: of our time have been able to reach into our

448
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Yana Peel: souls and unity. It's where they find something that's universal,

449
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Yana Peel: that isn't it limited to a time or space. And

450
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Yana Peel: being at a company that is over a century old,

451
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Yana Peel: there's latent chanel. It is long, we think, well beyond

452
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Yana Peel: the moment, means that hopefully I can try to think

453
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Yana Peel: on a horizon which is much longer than the hero.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: And now, okay, so let's bring AI in. Let's let's

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Emily Tisch Sussman: do it. Let's been a whole forty minutes.

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Yana Peel: And where we are I mean artistic intelligence, right, that's

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Yana Peel: what we're talking.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: About, y right? Of course? Of course, Also when I

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Emily Tisch Sussman: see the signs all over here at askpen Ideas, it's AI,

460
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Emily Tisch Sussman: and I'm like AI in this direction, I'm out right,

461
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Emily Tisch Sussman: So it is hard for me to see AI as

462
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Emily Tisch Sussman: anything more than making everyone incredibly dumb. And yet someone

463
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Emily Tisch Sussman: tells me it's here to stay, and so I can

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Emily Tisch Sussman: potentially begrudgingly accept that how are you seeing it in

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the artist space? Like, how is it interacting in a

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Emily Tisch Sussman: cultural space?

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Yana Peel: Well, let me ask you. Do you not in any

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Yana Peel: way use AI to prepare for your podcast?

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Emily Tisch Sussman: No? Not at all? Okay, interesting.

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Yana Peel: Do I see a name of a guest at a

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Yana Peel: table next to you, realize you have no connection to

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Yana Peel: that person, and then maybe put into chat GPT what

473
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Yana Peel: might Emily and.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: This person have in common? I would probably I would

475
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Emily Tisch Sussman: either google them or I would should process.

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Yana Peel: We should try this at the end of this podcast

477
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Yana Peel: to check what we might have been talking about on

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Yana Peel: this podcast. And I think it might be a fun

479
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Yana Peel: But ideas are so good because of your expertise.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: So here we are.

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Yana Peel: I have always felt that you should use whatever tools

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Yana Peel: are available to you, and if you go back to creators,

483
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Yana Peel: I mean those tubes of paint that were invented that

484
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Yana Peel: enabled artists to go outside and actually drive Impressionism to

485
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Yana Peel: me is just a technology like the Gutenberg Press, and

486
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Yana Peel: I've always felt that creative people will be able to

487
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Yana Peel: harness those for good if given the right environments. I'm

488
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Yana Peel: very aware of what regulation means and how important it

489
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Yana Peel: is I'm involved with the NSPCC. That's our largest children

490
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Yana Peel: protection agency in the UK, the National Society for the

491
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Yana Peel: Protection against Cruelty to Children. Thrilled to see Jonathan Hype

492
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Yana Peel: here and also very passionate about what it means to

493
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Yana Peel: ensuring that children have a safe and happy childhood online.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: So I'm very aware and wide eyed.

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Yana Peel: That if you're getting something for free on the internet,

496
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Yana Peel: you might be the product, not the consumer. Yet I'm

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Yana Peel: also very embracing of the fact that if we are

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Yana Peel: able to use AI for our benefit, if we are

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Yana Peel: able to empower our children with AI and not succumb

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Yana Peel: to it, that we will come out for the better.

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Yana Peel: So with that in mind, I don't know where we're going.

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Yana Peel: I know that we have a far away until we arrive,

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Yana Peel: but starting the Center for Artists and Technology at cal

504
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Yana Peel: Arts under very clever leadership makes me feel that we

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Yana Peel: will have a seat at the table and that we

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Yana Peel: will be able to use the resources of the philanthropic

507
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Yana Peel: Culture Fund to empower the really great leadership and institution

508
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Yana Peel: that was started by the Disney Brothers in the sixties

509
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Yana Peel: at a time where animation technology was also something pretty

510
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Yana Peel: scary for traditional cartoonists. And graphic designers. I feel that

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Yana Peel: we will be able to accompany the people on the

512
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Yana Peel: journey while also keeping a three sixty awareness that creation

513
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Yana Peel: must be human, that the technology must be in service

514
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Yana Peel: to the artistic endeavor, and that, you know, again speaking

515
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Yana Peel: to artists like Nile Rogers, that music and writing shall

516
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Yana Peel: not be scraped unknowingly to make sure that we're not

517
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Yana Peel: dealing with an environment where artists are relying on universal

518
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Yana Peel: basic income.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Right, which is it definitely feels like a potential And

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I feel like the usage of AI to create artistic

521
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Emily Tisch Sussman: pieces came as a surprise to me. Maybe everyone else

522
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Emily Tisch Sussman: who's been tracking AI was expecting this, but I felt

523
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Emily Tisch Sussman: like everyone told us AI was going to take away

524
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Emily Tisch Sussman: like wrote jobs, and all of a sudden it was like,

525
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Emily Tisch Sussman: oh no, it's the creatives, right, Like that really came

526
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Emily Tisch Sussman: as a came from the side I think that we are.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I'm just a little bit smart here, so you're like, no,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: not at all.

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Yana Peel: But I followed artists and you know, started this project

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Yana Peel: called the Window at Shah and they said, can you

531
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Yana Peel: put something in the window of our beautiful headquarters at

532
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Yana Peel: time in life in London? And I thought, oh, I'm

533
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Yana Peel: sure you think I'm going to put a sculpture or painting,

534
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Yana Peel: and here we are. We started two years ago program

535
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Yana Peel: called The Window, which was commissioning digital artists to create

536
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Yana Peel: artworks using AI, using SORE, using mid Journey, whatever tools

537
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Yana Peel: they felt were appropriate for the moment. Rafik Anadol was

538
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Yana Peel: a very natural place to start. I'm sure you've seen

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Yana Peel: his work in MoMA and in other institutions where he

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Yana Peel: has harnessed these extraordinary data sets with the benevolence of

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Yana Peel: Nvidia of other providers who have given him CPUs and

542
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Yana Peel: the tools he needs to be able to make this

543
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Yana Peel: incredible imagery through his data. We moved into artists like

544
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Yana Peel: Sarah mayohas like Wang Shui, like Lu Yang, and we're

545
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Yana Peel: able to really ensure that we were giving artists the freedom,

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Yana Peel: the resources, and the space to showcase their innovation. And now,

547
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Yana Peel: very excitingly, we are taking this project on invitation from

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Yana Peel: the Highline to New York and so it's really wonderful

549
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Yana Peel: also to be able to showcase the works of artists

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Yana Peel: using these new tools, to think about how this might

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Yana Peel: translate into this extraordinary popular public venue, and to really

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Yana Peel: think about what art for all means. So that you're

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Yana Peel: not just constraining it to the find confines of a

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Yana Peel: public institution. As innovative some of these institutions might be.

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Yana Peel: I think it's really exciting to think about what technology

556
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Yana Peel: can mean for space based experiences and how we will

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Yana Peel: look to theater to filmmaking to really adopt some of

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Yana Peel: these new tools. And so I'm really excited to accompany

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Yana Peel: these people who will be able to do things that

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Yana Peel: you or I might never even imagine. So artistic intelligence

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Yana Peel: is really what I'm thinking about as I think about AI.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Yeah, did you see the picture of Dorian Gray as

563
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Emily Tisch Sussman: a one woman showd loved It? Sarah Insane, magnificent, insane,

564
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Emily Tisch Sussman: Sarah Snook played every single character. There were screens everyway, magnifu.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: There was like live video everywhere, and they're now they're

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Emily Tisch Sussman: using some elem mints of it enjoy on Off Broadway,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: which has been interesting too. That was a place where

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I didn't know what to expect going in. But it's

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Emily Tisch Sussman: a use of like I feel like when we say

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Emily Tisch Sussman: like technology in arts or technology and anything, now it

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Emily Tisch Sussman: just all means AI. But you're using technology and arts

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Emily Tisch Sussman: in a different way. You're saying it's screens. It's interactive,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: like there's other things beyond just AI. Is that how

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Emily Tisch Sussman: you're thinking about building these programs, whether it's cal arts

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Emily Tisch Sussman: or the window or others.

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Yana Peel: I love that idea. Is you know, Sarah's Nook is

577
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Yana Peel: so magnificently and you thought, after succession, how could it

578
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Yana Peel: get a better? And then you did and there was

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Yana Peel: Oscar Wilde and I realized, you know, I took a

580
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Yana Peel: group of fourteen year olds to see this incredible production

581
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Yana Peel: and the fact that they use the iPhone, they use

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Yana Peel: the language of our modern life to really bring this vital,

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Yana Peel: enduring piece of tremendous literary tradition to life. I found

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Yana Peel: really incredibly exciting. Where we are I mean theater in

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Yana Peel: London At the moment, I think there's been seventeen and

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Yana Peel: a half million people visiting theaters, which is even more

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Yana Peel: than the Premier League and dare I say more than Broadway.

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Yana Peel: With that said, I think people do want to come together.

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Yana Peel: They want to come together in physical spaces. I don't

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Yana Peel: think they want to come together in movie theaters necessarily

591
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Yana Peel: as much. They'd rather be on letterbox, they'd rather be

592
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Yana Peel: comparing what they might have seen at home with friends

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Yana Peel: who are also on some of these apps. But I

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Yana Peel: do think that we're going to be seeing this move

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Yana Peel: in terms of why we come together and why we gather.

596
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Yana Peel: And I think AI and I think VR and I

597
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Yana Peel: think AR have a really important role to play. We're

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Yana Peel: currently in this uncomfortable moment of Chumpeter's creative destruction. We're

599
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Yana Peel: seeing some things disappear and some things come forth. But

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Yana Peel: I do think that there's people who are using these

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Yana Peel: tools that are aligning ancient technologies and history with driving

602
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Yana Peel: the future, and in that spirit of history driving future possibilities.

603
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Yana Peel: I'm so excited by the possibilities of new leaders at

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Yana Peel: the National Theater thinking about what NT live could mean.

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Yana Peel: I'm excited about my role on ABT's Global Council and

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Yana Peel: thinking how artists and dancers want to engage with technology,

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Yana Peel: what Wayne McGregor is doing in terms of his own

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Yana Peel: archive in AI. So I do think that there is

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Yana Peel: utility there for artists, but I think technology will make

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Yana Peel: things really efficient and artists will make technology really exciting.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Stay tuned for more of Yanna after the break. That's

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Emily Tisch Sussman: so interesting. I tend to I am a big believer

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Emily Tisch Sussman: in what we need in this moment and that we're

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Emily Tisch Sussman: yearning for is shared experience in efferson shared experience, and

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I think that is the antidote to the loneliness to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the technology or you know these sort of like individual

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Emily Tisch Sussman: tchnology right press. And that has been even though I

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Emily Tisch Sussman: guess this is a podcast that you are probably listening

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Emily Tisch Sussman: to on some sort of technology, but that has been

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the focus of a lot of my investment and a

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Emily Tisch Sussman: lot of my work over the last couple of years.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Like I just keep getting more and more drawn towards it.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: So I've been investing in Broadway and the biggest piece

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Emily Tisch Sussman: is that we own the women's soccer team in New

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Emily Tisch Sussman: York got them FC congratulations. The mind has been amazing.

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Yana Peel: My daughter's an athlete, and so I love what is

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Yana Peel: happening with women's sport and the drive towards wellness and sport,

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Yana Peel: and it's really excited.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It's incredible. So we we're the controlling owners of the

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Emily Tisch Sussman: team for about the last year and a half. My

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Emily Tisch Sussman: sister runs the team, and it's been a really amazing experience.

632
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Emily Tisch Sussman: People always ask if we were soccer players. We were

633
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Emily Tisch Sussman: not never too late. It's never too late by and

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Emily Tisch Sussman: essays here you come I'm dying to get invited to

635
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Emily Tisch Sussman: a practice, and I got the money because your hair

636
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Emily Tisch Sussman: could be.

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Yana Peel: Kind of picked and I can wrapping up what I'm

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Yana Peel: thinking a bit of baby blue there.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: We all know that could my butt of practice. But

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I'm dying to do it. But part of the business

641
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Emily Tisch Sussman: case that making for you know, soccer is not big

642
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Emily Tisch Sussman: in the US the way it obviously is in the UK,

643
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Emily Tisch Sussman: or we call it football. I know, I know it's

644
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Emily Tisch Sussman: again it's an American audience here in guys. Youre England

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Emily Tisch Sussman: are we?

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Yana Peel: You have this great play as devn to the stage

647
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Yana Peel: that Dear England was a really popular play at the

648
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Yana Peel: National Theater. It's gone to America and what a relief

649
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Yana Peel: it's translated globally.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: We do have on Gotham we have an English national

651
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Emily Tisch Sussman: team player Jess Carter. Great that we bring to Rail,

652
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Emily Tisch Sussman: the real Dylan. But you know, part of our business

653
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Emily Tisch Sussman: case for both operating the team, buying the team and

654
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Emily Tisch Sussman: growing the team is that families are dying for ir

655
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Emily Tisch Sussman: l in real life experiences to experience them together and

656
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Emily Tisch Sussman: they've become so far in fused, like you don't have

657
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Emily Tisch Sussman: to be a soccer lover to go You don't have

658
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Emily Tisch Sussman: to be a sports lover to go. Families just want

659
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Emily Tisch Sussman: to do things the way that you took your daughter

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and her friends to go see the theater, and so

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Emily Tisch Sussman: trying to position it that way that this is something

662
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Emily Tisch Sussman: that you and your family can have a shared experience

663
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Emily Tisch Sussman: together that will and strengthen your relationship. We are pack animals.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Like at the end of the day, what I'm very

665
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Emily Tisch Sussman: interested by what you're describing that we can actually utilize

666
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Emily Tisch Sussman: technology in different ways here to enhance the experience. Like

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Emily Tisch Sussman: I think of these in person experiences, whether it's theater,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Gotham or something else in real life, as being like

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the antithesis of technology. You're saying it can actually enhance

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Emily Tisch Sussman: the I think it's part of a three sixty.

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Yana Peel: So gosh, I spend a lot of time watching rowing,

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Yana Peel: and so very conveniently and fortunately and brilliantly, Chanelle is

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Yana Peel: also supporting the Oxford Cambridge boat Race. At this incredible time,

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Yana Peel: I cannot be at every race, and so I'm so

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Yana Peel: grateful to YouTube for being able to broadcast rowing at

676
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Yana Peel: a time where I am not able to be there physically.

677
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Yana Peel: I'm also so grateful to be at Aspen Ideas and

678
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Yana Peel: heading over to Henley in London, so I can be

679
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Yana Peel: in this very wonderful place watching men and women compete

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Yana Peel: along the river. So I do think that there is

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Yana Peel: at the top of the pyramid the possibility of being

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Yana Peel: somewhere alive. I think living in Asia and not having

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Yana Peel: museums on my doorstep at the time in Hong Kong

684
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Yana Peel: before the opening of Endplus also really opened me up

685
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Yana Peel: to the urgency of what it meant to have platforms

686
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Yana Peel: like Bloomberg Connects so that you were able to see

687
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Yana Peel: great exhibitions and understand the artworks behind them. So I'm

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Yana Peel: looking at this as the opening up of access art

689
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Yana Peel: for all, sport for all. As you say, loneliness, I

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Yana Peel: think is one of the greatest diseases in America, of course,

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Yana Peel: and across so many continents. And if we can use

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Yana Peel: technology to unite in some of those places and spaces

693
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Yana Peel: that might have taken the place of churches and synagogues

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Yana Peel: and mosques where finding people are not physically convening in

695
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Yana Peel: some of those spaces. But I do think we will

696
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Yana Peel: see a transformation of the high Street. We might see

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Yana Peel: a transformation of spaces that used to traditionally be retail environments,

698
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Yana Peel: religious environments into places where people who are like minded

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Yana Peel: convene for really positive experiences. I'm hopeful that we can

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Yana Peel: come about some without loneliness. We can drive safety online,

701
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Yana Peel: we can think about what it means to really come

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Yana Peel: back to that primal joy of human endeavor. And I

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Yana Peel: think that's why I'm happy to be here with you.

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Yana Peel: I'm happy to be ask an Ideas Festival. I'm also

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Yana Peel: happy that people can be listening to this podcast. If

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Yana Peel: they find these topics of interest, they can catch this

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Yana Peel: for free, and I think that is a tremendous luxury.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Yeah. So I will bring us to our closing question,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: which we ask of all of our guests in this

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Emily Tisch Sussman: vein of never let a good crisis go to waste?

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Is there something could be, something we spoken about, could

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Emily Tisch Sussman: be something different that at the time it felt so

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Emily Tisch Sussman: low that you felt like I'm never going to see

714
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Emily Tisch Sussman: my way out of this, and now in retrospect, you

715
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Emily Tisch Sussman: didn't let it go to waste.

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Yana Peel: What a great question, I guess. Thoughts just naturally take

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Yana Peel: me back to March twenty twenty when I stepped into

718
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Yana Peel: the executive team of Chanel and then covid HIT and

719
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Yana Peel: I found myself absolutely frenzied about how to drive a

720
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Yana Peel: central old tradition of embracing the avant garde culture forward.

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Yana Peel: I did something like what you did from what I

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Yana Peel: understand of your own life pivot and I started talking

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Yana Peel: to as many people as I could, in whatever conditions

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Yana Peel: they might be in, and thinking about asking them what

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Yana Peel: matters most, what's coming next. I started a podcast called

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Yana Peel: Chanel Connects, which is now seen a fifth season, and

727
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Yana Peel: so I guess, coming out of that moment where we

728
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Yana Peel: were all so down and thinking how we might never

729
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Yana Peel: find our way out of the darkness, I turned to artists.

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Yana Peel: I turned to cultural leaders to help show us the light.

731
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Yana Peel: And having filmed that podcast last week at La Pauza,

732
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Yana Peel: the beautiful home of Gabrielle Chanel, where for a decade

733
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Yana Peel: she hosted artists like Salvador Dali and writers like Cocteau

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Yana Peel: and Reverdi.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It was amazing to be in this natural.

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Yana Peel: Environment in the south of France, surrounded by two hundred

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Yana Peel: and fifty olive trees and Lilac speaking to incredible guests

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Yana Peel: around the beauty of the home. Speaking to Italian philosopher

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Yana Peel: Emmanuel Lacca about the philosophy of the home and thinking

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Yana Peel: how things have come around, how we started in the

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Yana Peel: home in a moment of darkness, thinking that this pandemic

742
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Yana Peel: might never allow us to come together in a physical environment,

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Yana Peel: and how that drove us to a place where we

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Yana Peel: can now say, listeners of the podcast, please catch Chanelle

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Yana Peel: Connects season five wherever you may get your podcasts.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It also occurs to me that I should not leave

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Emily Tisch Sussman: without asking your advice. We can keep going beyond this

748
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Emily Tisch Sussman: show if we want to. But the thing that I so,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: my sister runs Gotham, our team like the whole thing.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: It's like child. So now the chair of the entire league.

751
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Emily Tisch Sussman: That's fantastic. It's really a pioneer in a maverick. It's

752
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Emily Tisch Sussman: been a real year and a half, let me tell you.

753
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Emily Tisch Sussman: And the way that I just started kind of helping

754
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Emily Tisch Sussman: and have now turned this into a full portfolio at

755
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Emily Tisch Sussman: the league with the team, is that I do what

756
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Emily Tisch Sussman: we say. I bring culture to Gotham, and Gotham to culture.

757
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Emily Tisch Sussman: So I bring culture into Gotham. I bring fashion editors,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: bring celebrities, everyone, influencers, national anthem singers into Gotham. Please

759
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Emily Tisch Sussman: please come, My hand is up so high. Please come,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and then I bring Gotham to culture. We're in New York,

761
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Emily Tisch Sussman: so I've been bringing players to the Tony Awards. We

762
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Emily Tisch Sussman: had the first soccer player on Broadway in Chicago, to

763
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Emily Tisch Sussman: restaurant openings, to ABT, They're coming to the Mystic Copeland Benefit,

764
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Emily Tisch Sussman: so things like that. Trying to get the more integrated

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Emily Tisch Sussman: into culture in New York. We wanted to mean something

766
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Emily Tisch Sussman: when a player plays for us. It's not just that

767
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Emily Tisch Sussman: we are any other soccer team. We appreciate you as

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Emily Tisch Sussman: a full person. We want to support your interests, we

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Emily Tisch Sussman: want to help not I mean it's not just brand. Yes,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: everyone's now thinking about brand, but it should mean something

771
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Emily Tisch Sussman: that you're with us, that we are helping integrate you

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Emily Tisch Sussman: into New York culture. And so that's been the role

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Emily Tisch Sussman: that I've been taking with the team. And since you

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Emily Tisch Sussman: think so deeply about connecting, you know, both locally and

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Emily Tisch Sussman: then globally, I would love to get your advice on

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Emily Tisch Sussman: what I should be doing.

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Yana Peel: You and I should be having a coffee, we should

778
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Yana Peel: be spending another hour together over Masha and discussing that.

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Yana Peel: But I love that zigzagging of worlds as you call it,

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Yana Peel: and so I'm going to get you to get Gotham

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Yana Peel: to London. We love ABT in America, of course, such

782
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Yana Peel: an incredible institution Sadler's Wells in London. If you ever

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Yana Peel: want to talk about the physicality of dents and how

784
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Yana Peel: that lies in parallel between athletes and athlete dancers, if

785
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,720
Yana Peel: they want to engage in a new sport, there's always

786
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,280
Yana Peel: an invitation for Oxford Cambridge boat Race as that lies

787
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Yana Peel: across the river. But I think super happy to always

788
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Yana Peel: be a resource for you and to always connect the

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Yana Peel: world of Gotham to my world as it relates to

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Yana Peel: arts and the ideas of the future.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Thank you. We will definitely be taking you up on that.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Last thing is that we are circling around a title

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Emily Tisch Sussman: for me in this and we are circling around Chief

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Vibes Office. Oh I love that.

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Yana Peel: When I was a CEO, I said it was cheap

796
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Yana Peel: eternal optimist, and I think CVO is decidedly are.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: You should be really appreciate that. Thank you so much.

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Pleasure you mucha pleasure, and thank you so much. It's

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Emily Tisch Sussman: been a joy. Thank you so much for listening to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: this special episode If She Pivots recorded live at the

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Emily Tisch Sussman: Aspen Ideas festival. The best way to stay up to

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Emily Tisch Sussman: date with Yanna is through her incredible podcast, Janelle Connects,

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Emily Tisch Sussman: where she sits down with the world's most renowned artists

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Emily Tisch Sussman: and cultural leaders. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Thanks

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