1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Lorie Valow still has not produced her two beautiful children, 2 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: two of several children missing, JJ just seven years old, 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: entirely seventeen, And in the last hours I heard very 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: distressing news that she Laurie Valo, who had stated she 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: wanted to drive the children off a cliff. That just 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that was like a dagger to my heart. Crime Stories 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace July eleventh, twenty nineteen. At this point, 8 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: the kids were doing well, but they witnessed the death 9 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: of their father, Charles Valo in Chandler, Arizona. He was 10 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: shot and killed by Laurie Valo's brother, a man named 11 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Alex Cox. Alex said the shooting was in self defense, 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: but the case is still under investigation. This incident started 13 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: with an argument, a family argument. Fast forward now to 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: September twenty third. This is the last time anyone reported 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: seeing the children, JJ and Tyley at school in Rexburg, Idaho, 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: but nobody reported them missing until about two months later. 17 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a little bit, but first 18 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about Chad day. Belle's wife, Tammy, her dad 19 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: tells me she was alive and well. On October fourth, 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: she drove down from Rexburg to visit her parents in Springville, Utah. 21 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: But two weeks later, on October nineteenth, the parents got 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: a call from Chad saying Tammy went to bed coughing 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: and never woke up. At the time, doctor said she 24 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: died from natural causes at the age of forty nine. 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Adam Herbert's speaking from Fox 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: thirteen in Utah. Cult mom, so called cult mom, Lorie Valo, 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: still has not produced her two beautiful children, two of 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: several children missing, JJ just seven years old and entirely seventeen. 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: And in the last hours we learn Laurie Valo, who 30 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: has been spotted, who has been found hiding out in 31 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: Hawaii with her brand new husband, Chad day Bell, had 32 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: her missing daughter's cell phone with her when police tracked 33 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: her down in Hawaii. And that makes me curious because 34 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: I thought her daughter had sent a text to a 35 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: friend after she was last seen. But the friends now 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: say that text doesn't sound like anything Tilely would have sent, 37 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: didn't sound like her. And now we're learning that calt 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo tried to sell her little boy, JJ's 39 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: service dog. This on top of toys and disturbingly, clothes 40 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: and other items belonging to children being put by her 41 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: in a storage unit. Where are the children? Joining me? 42 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer Bobby Chico and former 43 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: FBI Karen Stark, New York psychologist Karen Smith, forensics expert 44 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, reporter East Idaho News dot Com and special 45 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: guest joining me Larry Woodcock, JJ Valo's grandfather and Kay Woodcock, 46 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: his grandmother. Let me first go to Larry and Kay. 47 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: So many thoughts and so many prayers with you. This 48 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: has been a very long and rugged path when you 49 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: learned cult mom as she has called for her beliefs, 50 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: that she has been chosen by God to lead others 51 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: to a new world, the second Coming of Jerusalem, and 52 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: that she is actually sealed for eternity with the alleged 53 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: prof fit Moronai long dead, the ancient prophet. Okay, that 54 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: right there is a headbander. But I'm worried about your children. 55 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Larry Woodcock, take a listen to this. Law enforcement officers 56 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: from Eastern Idaho, along with federal agents and the Kawaii 57 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: Police Department, pulled Laurie and Chad over. They were driving 58 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: a black suv. They pulled into this resort where I 59 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: am standing. They put Chad into one vehicle, Lorie into another. 60 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: That's when their vehicle was seized and they had no 61 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: way to get home. We had a chance to ask 62 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: them so many questions that need answers. Lorie. Nate Eaten 63 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: with East Idaho News, can you tell me where your 64 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: kids are? Where are your kids? No comment? They've been 65 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: missing for four months. You have nothing to say. You're 66 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: over here in Hawaii. Where are your children? Yeah? Why 67 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: don't you just give us a comment? Just tell us 68 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: where they are? Chad? Where are Laurie's kids? What happened 69 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: to Tammy? Chad? Can you tell us what happened to Tammy? 70 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Why have you guys been in Hawaii for so long? Listen? 71 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Just tell people what's happening. There's people around the country 72 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: praying for your children, praying for you, guys. Why don't 73 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: you give us answers? That's great, that's great, that's great 74 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: that they're praying for you, praying for your kids. What 75 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: you have nothing to say? You are hearing our friend 76 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, reporter East Idaho News dot com. Larry Woodcock, 77 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: what do you make of the most recent development she's 78 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: remarried to Chad day Bell, who's written twenty five doomsday books. 79 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: That's not good. They're hiding out in a luxury resort 80 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: in Hawaii and nobody can find You're a grandchildren. You know, Nancy, 81 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: this is the hardest issue K and I have ever 82 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: had to deal with. We have a loving, caring, beautiful 83 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: grandson that we just absolutely love, and to not be 84 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: able to see him talk to him, even with our 85 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: iPads and the electronic communication we have today, it is 86 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: so hard on us. Kay and I are both taken 87 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: this very hard. We have our good days and we 88 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: really have some some bad days. Uh. It's just hard 89 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: to imagine this until somebody, and I would never ever 90 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: ever wish anybody to have this happened to them. It is. 91 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: It is so very stressful. Just hearing your voice just 92 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: makes my heart hurt. Mister Woodcock, I want to go 93 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: to k your wife, JJ's grandma, Financer. I am just 94 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm just so sorry for what you're going through. 95 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: And I'm holding out hope and pray JJ and his 96 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: sister Tyler are alive and that she's got them squirreled 97 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: away with that cult. Did you have any idea kay 98 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: that she had become part of a cult. I can't 99 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: say that I knew it was a cult. Well, I 100 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: guess I did, I just never. I mean, I am 101 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: the one that started calling it a cult when back when, 102 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, months and months ago, we've been I've 103 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: been deeply involved in this for over a year before 104 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: even Charles was murdered. When they split up at the 105 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: end of January last year in twenty nineteen, Charles told 106 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: me these things about one hundred and forty four thousand people, 107 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: that Loyd was a god, that Laurie just he's telling 108 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: me these things, and I'm just in amazement, like, Charles, no, 109 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: are you kidding? Come on now, You're you have to 110 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: be exaggerating, and feels like I'm not. I'm telling you 111 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: this is what's going on. So anyway, as time moves 112 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: forward and I again I see I start seeing things 113 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: more and more that are about this cult about I 114 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: start learning more about it, and the more I learned, 115 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: the scarier it is, And the the scarier it is, 116 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: It's just it gets even scarier the more I know. 117 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: So I really have tried not to learn much more 118 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: about it because I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss, and 119 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: right now I need to be as ignorant as I can, 120 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: because this is extremely hard to wrap my brain around 121 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: and to even think about JJ and where he entirely 122 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: might be. I just pray that she has it. My 123 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: biggest fear is her reincarnations. I can't remember what they're called. 124 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: She's in number four, She's in her fourth time on 125 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: this earth right now, and I think that my biggest 126 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: fear being that she might have done something to the kids, thinking, oh, well, 127 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna miss them for a while right now, 128 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: and maybe have had Alex do something to them or herself, 129 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: and then come back and I'll see them again in 130 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: my next life, because that's you know, I have a 131 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: mission to do and they're just in the way. That's 132 00:09:42,480 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: my biggest fear right now. Time Stories with Nancy Grace Bailey. 133 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: A Golden Doodle puppy was trained as a service dog 134 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: for seven year old JJ Vallo, who has autism, but 135 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: JJ's mom, Laurie Dave Bell, got rid of the dog 136 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: just days before the youngster and his seventeen year old 137 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: sister Tyley vanished without a trace last September. Good here 138 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: he the dog was returned to its trainer, Neil Mestics, 139 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: who says he was shocked because of the close bond 140 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: between JJ and Bailey. Bailey helped him stay calm, was 141 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: a comfort to him as well. One of the things 142 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: that JJ really struggled with and the family shout with 143 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: was him sleeping through the night. He would get up 144 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: and oftentimes even try and sneak or wander out of 145 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the house. And so when we first introduced Bailey to 146 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the home, that was one of the first nights that 147 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: JJ stayed in his bed and slept through the night. 148 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Did it strike you as odd? Then when the mother 149 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: returned the dog to you, it was really puzzled by 150 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: it all. And as I inquired, she just said, it's 151 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: all too hard to talk about. I'm sorry, I just 152 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: can't go over at into it with you. You are 153 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: hearing or for an inside edition. Little JJ Joshua Valo 154 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: is a seven year old special needs son. Family has 155 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: not been able to speak with JJ since September. Let 156 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: me ask you this, Kay Woodcock, his grandma, Why did 157 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: he need a companion dog? Why did he what did 158 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: the dog do for him? Because even if she has 159 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: them squirreled away with his cult. Wouldn't he need his dog. 160 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: He would need his mother, his father, he would need 161 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: hit us, He would need everybody that that loves him 162 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and that is in his life all the time, not 163 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: some strange family. Um. God only knows, who knows nothing 164 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: about him. And I just can't imagine how he feels 165 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: if he is somewhere like that and his and Bailey. 166 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: What did the dog do for dog? Bailey was his buddy. 167 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Bailey slept with him, Bailey played with him. JJ. He 168 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: just was always there next to JJ. If JJ was up, 169 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: Bailey was right there with him. And I mean they 170 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: just did everything together. And you know, I have some 171 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: videos of him walking Bailey, but it's not Bailey, JJ 172 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: walcing Bailey, Bailey Bailey pulling JJ. So with the leashawn Um, 173 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Bailey was comfort to JJ and and he just helped 174 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: ease his anxiety because JJ was very anxious, being autistic, 175 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: that's one of the characteristics that he experienced. And so Bailey, 176 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: m Bailey was his best friend. If you think about it, Charles, 177 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: they murdered Charles July eleven, and JJ adored Charles and 178 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: then you know, less than a month later there they are, 179 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Laurie has j Bailey for sale in a in an 180 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: online somewhere, and then they leave in August thirtieth and 181 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: then whatever date. Then JJ is lost his dog that day. 182 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: So in that short time, that little autistic boy that 183 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: on a normal child, that would be very stressful. And 184 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: so the impact of losing his dad and his best 185 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: friend Bailey has just I can't imagine how he feels. 186 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. We know that Charles Valoe wanted to 187 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: get the service dog to help his son JJ with autism. 188 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: We know that Laurie Valo put Bailey up for sale 189 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: for twenty five hundred dollars, and then she disappears to 190 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: a luxury resort in Hawaii with her brand new husband, 191 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: aunt Charles day Belle the Doomster, and the children disappear. 192 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: I noticed, Kay, you said Charles Valo was murdered. The 193 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: only two witnesses other than Laurie Valo are the children 194 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: to what really happened to the uncle? Alex? What when 195 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: you say Charles Valot was murdered, what do you mean 196 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: by that? I mean he walked into the house to 197 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: get JJ. They said that Charles brought JJ for the 198 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: car and then went back into the house because he 199 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: left his phone in there and or something to that effect. 200 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: And I don't believe that Charles would have confronted Alex 201 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: or I just all of what was said is all 202 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. It's not characteristic of Charles. Just 203 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: this whole thing isn't doesn't make sense because Laurie is 204 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: saying she was in the kitchen and she heard the shot, 205 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: So how could she be in the kitchen when she 206 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: had left with the kid, which is what Alex originally said. 207 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: It's just because is my understanding according to Laurie Valoe 208 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: that her husband was attacking her, and then this is 209 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: her story, Charles Value attacking her, and then her brother, 210 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: her blood brother, Cox comes in and shoots down Valoe 211 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: in self defense. But yet you're telling me Laurie said 212 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: she was in the kitchen when Alex Cox shot her husband, 213 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Charles Vallee, and now Alex Cox is dead as well. 214 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to her brother, her blood brother, hot. 215 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: I turned around and he hit me in the back 216 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: of the head with the bathroom so I went to 217 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: my room and got my gun. So you went to 218 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: your room, meaning your room, you're staying in Yeah, okay, 219 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: you brought your broader gun with you? Do you always 220 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: bring the gun? I can still carry always, okay, saying Hi, 221 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: who are are you? Okay? Just standal with it for 222 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: just a second, guys, And then uh, I told him 223 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: put the bat down, and he wouldn't, and he came 224 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: at me and get to wipe the show up his walk. 225 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: So you told him to put the So where are 226 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: you at it? Where where are you at now? Did 227 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: you stay in your bedroom? No? Okay? Why didn't you 228 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: stay just in your bedroom? Closed the door? So that's 229 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: something you didn't think about or turn to me? Okay, 230 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: so walk me through it. So you go back in 231 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: your room, went back to the liberally, what is your 232 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: problem with the gun? Yes? And I said I want 233 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: you put that back down. He wouldn't do it, and 234 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: he's like, and he came at me, put the bat 235 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: again after you've already hit you in the head. So 236 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: I saw him to stop him. Kay Woodcock. Were the 237 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: children home when their dad shot? I believe they were. 238 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: I pray more than anything that JJ was not a 239 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: witness to that, that JJ didn't see Charles laying dead 240 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: on the floor. She did take JJ to school as 241 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: soon as it happened. Well, let me understand that Charles 242 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Valoe gets shot dead, and then she takes JJ to 243 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: school immediately. She even goes in Charles's rental car to 244 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: take JJ. Stought. According to reports, the children were home 245 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: at least JJ Larry Woodcock. This is JJ's grandfather. That 246 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: means a potential witness to the shooting of Charles Valoe 247 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: is missing at the hand of Laurie Valoe. That is correct. 248 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: We hope and pray constantly that JJ in in a sense. 249 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: Our hope is that he is with a family, and 250 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: that high hope and pray that he never saw this happen. 251 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: But it is her. It's just hard. There's some dancing, 252 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: there's so many lives. If Laurie Valo opens her mouth, 253 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: it's basically a lie. We have seen it on tape. 254 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: We have everything she does. Every person we've ever talked 255 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: to that was involved in the shooting after it happened, 256 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: literally every one of them got a different story from 257 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: from her. Even her son, her own son. She lied 258 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: to her own son, the man that raised her son, 259 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: and and and she she lied to him, and he 260 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: had to go back twice to understand why she even 261 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: lied about about it at all. And and he's devastated. 262 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: All of us are devastated because Charles two sons, two 263 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: oldest sons, two of the finest young men you'll ever meet. 264 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: She's instead of picking up the phone and saying, look, 265 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: there's been an incident. Your dad is dead, she sent 266 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: him a text the next day, twenty four hours later, 267 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: thirty hours later, I'm sorry. She sent a text thirty 268 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: hours later saying your dad is dead. Time stories with 269 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Did you do something to your children? Are 270 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: your children still alive? That's a simple question. I've got 271 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: three kids in my own I can tell you every 272 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: minute where my kids are at. Where are your children? 273 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: What do you guys plan to do now? Are you 274 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna you have five days to get your children in 275 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: front of a judge and rex work? Then? What are 276 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: you guys innocent of any crimes? Have you committed any crimes? Chad? 277 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: You guys have a lot to say on your podcast. 278 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: You don't have anything to say now, Laurie, do you 279 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: believe that you were instructed by God or others to 280 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: do something for your children? If you could give a 281 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: message to them, what would you say, listen, if you 282 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: just talk to us, we'll leave you alone. Jammy's family 283 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: is very worried. Laurie, your mother Kay came out. Kay 284 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: and Larry. They're offering a twenty thousand dollars reward for 285 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: your children. And you're over here on the beach. This 286 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: is your chance to tell your story. Nothing you want 287 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: to say, one last chance right here. Anything you want 288 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: to say to the people in Idaho. Laura, you have 289 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: a lot of cash there in your baggy. Were you 290 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: guys planning to leave Hawaii? Were we planning to take off? 291 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Nate Eton, reporter, East Idaho 292 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: News dot com. If you take a look at divorced 293 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: documents as we have, you learn the Laurie Valoe now 294 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: day Bell informed her husband that she was a God 295 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: I signed to carry out the work of the selected 296 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand at Christ's second coming 297 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: this July twenty twenty, and that if Charles got in 298 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: her way, she would murder him. Laurie Valoe day Bell 299 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: also informed the dad that she is a quote translated 300 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: being who cannot taste death, sent by God to leave 301 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five thousand, one hundred forty four 302 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: thousand into the millennium. She believes she is receiving spiritual 303 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: revelations and visions to help her gather and prepare the 304 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: chosen to live in the new Jerusalem after the Great 305 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: War that we can read about in the Book of 306 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Revelations now. Charles Valo, now dead, says he was on 307 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: a business trip to Houston when Laurie told him she 308 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: would kill him when he returned, and quote had an 309 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: angel there to dispose of his body well. As a 310 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: matter of fact, Charles was killed in an altercation allegedly 311 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: an altercation at Laurie Valo's home in Arizona when he 312 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: went to go pick up their son JJ. While there. 313 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: According to their account, Laurie Valo's brother Alex Cox, shot Charles, 314 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: claiming self defense. Take a listen to this our friends 315 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: at CBS. As authorities work to find out what happened Joshua, 316 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan, they're looking into the past 317 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: of Chad day Bell, now married to the children's mother. 318 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo d be self published more than twenty five 319 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: books from this Idaho home, many about his brush with 320 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: death and the end of the world. His preachings are 321 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: what first attracted Valo. In a skype interview, the missing 322 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: girl's aunt says Valo became obsessed with doomsday scenarios, and 323 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: she says, sometimes I think it would just be better 324 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: just to get pull my kids in a car and 325 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: go off the side of a play. Valow moved to 326 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: Idaho to be with day Bell after her previous husband, 327 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: Charles Valot, died of suspicious causes last summer in Arizona. 328 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Dave Belle's wife, Tammy, also died under mysterious circumstances last fall. 329 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: The sheriff in Fremont County, Idaho is investigating. So there's 330 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: a chance here that Laura could have also played a 331 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: role in this death along with tad. Oh, there is 332 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: one chance that that has occurred in one of the 333 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: things that we are looking at very closely. Wait a minute. 334 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: The only potential witness was little JJ, their artistic son. 335 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: He's gone missing for dog, his trained dog to help 336 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: him with his autism. She tried to sell the dog, 337 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: then she took off. Nobody can find j J or Tiley. 338 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: Now the only witness gone. Alex Cox, the brother well, 339 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: he died too to Nate Eaton joining me reporter east 340 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Idahoo News dot com on the story. From the beginning, 341 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: he managed to help track down Laurie Vallo and her 342 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: new husband, Chad Dave Belle. I've seen their wedding pictures 343 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: of them all dressed in white with flowers on the beach, 344 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of dancing the hula. This is while their children 345 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: are missing. Nate Eaton, what's the cause of death of 346 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: the brother Alex Cox? How did he die? And while 347 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: we're on it, what happened to Joseph Ryan. He died 348 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: of a heart attack. I guess what happened God, that's 349 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: a great question. We're still waiting the autopsy results on 350 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, her previous husband, her third husband, 351 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: who died of the heart attack. He was cremated pretty 352 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: quickly after his death, so we'll never know anything more 353 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: than what happened there. And Charles, who was shot. He 354 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: was also cremated shortly after his death. So she's on 355 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: her fifth husband now. As you mentioned, these photos have 356 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: surfaced to them on the beach. One thing we need 357 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: to remember too is her new husband, Chad. His wife, Tammy, 358 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: in her forties, very healthy, worked at the school library. 359 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: Everybody loved her. She died in her sleep mid October. 360 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: Those photos of them on the beach were taken within 361 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: a month of her death, within days of her funeral 362 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: in Idaho. They're over in the beach, dancing the hula, 363 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: dressed in white, having this marriage ceremony performed. So you've 364 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: got three deaths within a matter of months between the 365 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: two people that are now in Hawaii, along with the 366 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: two missing children. Well, let me end this up. You've 367 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: got see I'm not ruling out the other husband, her 368 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: fourth husband, Tylie Ryan's dad, Joseph Ryan, and the heart 369 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: attack because I don't know what happened there. I mean, 370 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: was it a heart attack, I don't know. You've got 371 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: him dead. You've got the wife, Tammy Daybill, who's training 372 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: for a marathon, dies in her sleep, in her forties. 373 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: She's a young woman in the prime of her life, 374 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: healthy as a horse, dies in her sleep. Then you've 375 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: got Charles Valo shot dead by Alex Cox, lay Valo's brother. 376 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: Now Alex Cox is dead. What's his cod We don't 377 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: know that. Nate Eaton. They're waiting on autopsies for him. 378 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: We're also waiting on an autopsies for Tammy. They actually 379 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: buried her in the ground. The corner showed up. They 380 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: ruled her death natural causes, had the funeral buried her 381 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: in the ground. Once the law enforcement authorities in Idaho 382 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: got word of what was happening down in Arizona, is 383 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: hold up, we might need to do something. So they 384 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: assumed her body from the cemetery and her autopsy is 385 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: currently being performed. That was supposed to be back two 386 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: to three weeks ago in December, right, December eleven. Yeah, Yeah, 387 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: they've been waiting for that for quite some time. We 388 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: were expecting that, but it hasn't come in yet. The 389 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff's anxious to see what there was for autopsy. Rate 390 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: Eton get in there and Nate get in there. You know, 391 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Larry and Kay Woodcock. 392 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: I heard very distressing needs Larry that she Laurie Vale, 393 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: who had stated she wanted to drive the children off 394 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: a cliff. That just that was like a dagger to 395 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: my heart. Where did that come from? Is that reliable? 396 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Would she have said that? Well, we really don't know. 397 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: We've heard that same thing, that same statement, and if 398 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: it is true, my god, you know what what is this? 399 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: What is this woman drinking? What is she? What does 400 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: she ate? And at this point it's it. This is 401 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: all hurtful enough. Um, you know, Kay and I lived 402 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: this twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, 403 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and it certainly has taken its toll on our health. 404 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: And to hear something like that that was supposedly spoken 405 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: by her is just you're you're past the bottom of 406 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: the barrel. You know, you're down in You're down in 407 00:28:43,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: hall talking like that. Clime stories with Nancy Grace, so 408 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: called cult Mom. G Lori Valow still has not produced 409 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: her two beautiful children, two of several children missing, JJ 410 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: just seven years old, entirely seventeen, And in the last 411 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: hours I heard very distressing news that she, Laurie Valo, 412 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: had stated she wanted to drive the children off a cliff. 413 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: That just that was like a dagger to my heart. 414 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Larry and Kay Woodcock. 415 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: Larry and Kay, I don't know if you know, this 416 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: was a crime victim when my fiancee was murdered, and 417 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: I never thought i'd marry and have children. Finally had 418 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: children at age forty eight. They were mirror a miracle. 419 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Two miracles. I thought somebody would even say that, even 420 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: thank it. It just it's always too much for me 421 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: to take in. Tell me something like I just can't. 422 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Larry and Kay, I don't know if you know, 423 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: this was a crime victim when my fiancee was murdered, 424 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: and I never thought i'd marry and have children. Finally 425 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: had children at age forty eight. They were mirror a miracle, 426 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: two miracles. The thought somebody would even say that, even 427 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: think it. It just it's almost too much for me 428 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: to take in. Tell me something, Larry, You've got to 429 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: be holding out hope that she has them hidden somewhere 430 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: with that cult. We read about scientology all the time, 431 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: how they enlist, they put their children in the church, 432 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: in the sea orgs and make them work and make 433 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: them part of the cult. Do you think that's what's 434 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: happened to Every day, every moment that we think about that, 435 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: it never leaves our head. Our prayers are that those 436 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: two children are alive, Our hopes are that they are alive. 437 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: And I keep waiting for the phone call one day 438 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: from one person that says I know where those kids are, 439 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: but I can also tell you that it is it 440 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: is hard on us to maintain that thought when there 441 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing be heard from it. Also, the worst 442 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: thing that happened was that Alex died, because I personally 443 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: believe the history of this story, the outcome of this 444 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: story died with him, and I just it hurts beyond 445 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: our ability to tell you how bad this hurts us. 446 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: And for that moment thought that we have every day 447 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: that I can hear j JA, Papa, Mamma, mamma. You 448 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: know that's that's the two words that we want to hear. 449 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: And I just hope and pray that someday here soon 450 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: we can hear that. Well, I've got to ask you 451 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: a question, Larry, were y'all on good terms with Lorie Valo? 452 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I know she's a complete nut, and I 453 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: don't know how he can be on any kind of 454 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: real good terms with somebody that you you don't know 455 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: if they're up or down, or what they believe or 456 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: how they're treating the old. But had y'all had any 457 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: arguments with them, why would she keep you guys away 458 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: from JJ. Laurie was probably one of the best mothers 459 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: that I've been around. There's two Lauries. You have to 460 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: speak of I speak, and I am speaking right now 461 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: of Laurie, the good Laurie when she and Charles got married, 462 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: and Laurie was just a wonderful mother. You couldn't ask 463 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: for a better mother. She was healthy, she was able 464 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: to be involved in the kids' lives and always, she 465 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: was extremely athletic. She was caring, she was loving, and 466 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: she and Charles made the absolute best parents that we knew. 467 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: But it also goes back. We would have never, ever, 468 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: ever let j be adopted by them if we had 469 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: a hint of problems. They were both churchgoing, they were 470 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: both involved in their church. Charles loved JJ as he 471 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: loved his two oldest children, his two oldest boys. And 472 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: I've seen the love that he had for them. I 473 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: just don't understand how she got twisted around and became 474 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: a member of this domsday cult. To Nate Eaton reporter 475 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: East idahoanes dot com, what was her demeanor when you 476 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: managed to help track her down in Hawaii. Well, we 477 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: found her at this resort. The police had just servedced 478 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: her to warrant on her SUV. She was with Chad. 479 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: They were wearing you know, Hawaiian garb beached gear and 480 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: she saw me and we approached her with a camera 481 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: and for three minutes, I asked her twenty nine questions 482 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: following her into this resort, and she only responded to one. 483 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: First she said no comment. And then a little while 484 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: later when I said, people all over the world they're 485 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: praying for your children, they're praying for you, and she 486 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: said that's great, and that was the only thing she said. 487 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 1: She kept a stone cold, sober face. Chad was very serious. 488 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: I did ask him, you know what happened to Tammy? 489 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: How did Tammy die? And at that point there was 490 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: somewhat of a reaction on his face, kind of a 491 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: reaction of disgust. I guess you could say she didn't 492 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: want to talk to us. And the police described her 493 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: as lasers coming out of her eyes when they when 494 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: they approached her, that she was very cold. I've got 495 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: a big problem JJ's grandmother. I got a big problem 496 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: in that she is dressed up in this beautiful dress 497 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: and doing the hula on the beach with a lay 498 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: around her neck with the new husband. I guess husband 499 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: number five not judging Chad day Belle, And where are 500 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: the children? Who's taking care of them? They're snugged up 501 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: in a Hawaiian resort. According to Nate Eaton with East 502 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com, where are the children. They don't 503 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: have their toys, they don't have their clothes, their backpacks, 504 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: their belongings, They're all put in storage. The service dog gone. 505 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: She Laurie Vallo has her daughter's cell phone, and I 506 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: suspect has been sending fake text messages allegedly from her 507 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: daughter to other people to pretend the daughter, Tylie, is fine. 508 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: So if she's a great mom, and I have no 509 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: reason to disbelieve Larry Woodcock. In fact, I do believe 510 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: every single word he said. Why is she living it 511 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: up on a Hawaiian beach and refusing to tell you 512 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,479 Speaker 1: guys where JJ is Nancy? I believe that this is all. 513 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you something. I'm gonna I want to 514 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: tell you something, just you just bear with me on 515 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: this that I haven't admitted publicly since all this has happened. 516 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: So back last Segruary, the January thirtieth or thirty first 517 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: of last year, Laurie took off. That's when she and 518 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: Charles separated, and that's when I started got really involved 519 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 1: helping Charles with JJ and Phoenix. I live in Lake Charles. 520 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: We live in Lake Charles, Louisiana. So anyway, I was 521 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 1: back and forth to Phoenix with Charles helping him with JJ. 522 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: JJ was back and forth to Lake Charles, just trying 523 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: to get things situated, get their lives situated, because Laurie 524 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: was gone fifty eight days, never a phone call, never attacks, nothing. 525 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: So let's fast forward back in February. Charles and I 526 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: had a conversation and he has he had a million 527 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: dollar life insurance policy at that point, and lawyer was beneficiary. 528 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: He and I had a conversation one day and he 529 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: said he wanted me to be the beneficiary, and I 530 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: actually didn't want the responsibility, but I was like, just 531 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: let Cole, you know, let them, let the boys, you know, 532 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: leave it to them, and you know they'll do what's 533 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: right with it. And he said, well, I figure that 534 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: with what's Laurie's saying. She doesn't want JJ anymore, she 535 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: doesn't want me, So you know, I feel like you 536 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: and Larry will end up back with JJ again to 537 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 1: raise to finish raising, and I don't know that he'll 538 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: ever be able to live independently again. So as an 539 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: adult so I want you to have that money, and 540 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: and he told me how to split it, and knowing 541 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: I would follow through with what he wanted with his wishes, 542 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: and so he that was the conversation. He said, I'm 543 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: going to change in the beneficiary. Well I just that 544 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: was the end of the conversation. Never discussed it again, 545 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: and he at July eleventh, they murdered him. July fifteenth, 546 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: Lawyer's on the phone with the insurance company. That was 547 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: on the Thursday they murdered him. Then the the Monday, 548 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: she's on the phone the insurance company. They tell us 549 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: she's not the beneficiary. UM, I get a phone call. 550 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: I never called in. I never knew if he followed 551 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: through and actually changed the change, took her off as 552 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: beneficiary and named either the boys or me or whomever. 553 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: Um I got to call from the insurance company. They said, 554 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: you're the sole beneficiary. And so we were so grateful, 555 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: only mainly for the fact that Laurie was not the beneficiary. 556 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: We know that's why she killed him, absolutely no, that's 557 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: why she killed him. She wanted that million dollars and 558 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: because that's all this is about. So then I can't 559 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: tell you the exact date, but maybe two weeks later, 560 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: she sent a she took a screen of picture of 561 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: the change of beneficiary form and naming me the sole 562 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: beneficiary of the insurance policy of the insurance proceeds, and 563 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: she texts she sent me that picture, and she sent 564 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: a text saying five kids and no money and his 565 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: sister gets everything. And that is the last, not transaction, 566 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: the last contact I've ever had with Laurie since all this, 567 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: since all this began. Okay, that's a lot to take in. 568 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: That is a lot to take in what she if 569 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: she had I do believe that if Charles had left 570 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: her the million dollars, she would have already dumped JJ 571 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: back with us, and I would have been extremely happy, 572 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: because there's no amount of money in the world that 573 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: is worth JJ. There's He's worth more than anything in 574 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: the world to us. And obviously, you know, she has 575 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: a price on people and their values, and if they're 576 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: no longer a value to her, it seems she she 577 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: eliminates them. So I that that is what's happened, and 578 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: that is why. So if you put the pieces together, 579 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: guess what it's about the dollars, And it's about the 580 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: fact that we got it, and she did not, and 581 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: so therefore she was absolutely bound and determined to hurt us, 582 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: and she used JJ. That was her That was her revenge. 583 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: To Nate eaton East Idahones dot com. What do you 584 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: make of it, Well, I'm just hearing that for the 585 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: first time. But based on what others have said about Lorie, 586 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: this is not too surprising. You know, when we found 587 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: her in Hawaii, they were living in a gated community 588 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: with homes over a million dollars. They were in nice 589 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: rental cars. In fact, when we saw her, when she 590 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: was pulled over and walking with us, she had a 591 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 1: bag full of cash, a big wat full of cash, 592 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: and a plastic bag. And from what we understand from 593 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: some of Charles Valo's ex wives, who speak very highly 594 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: on him, by the way, and say he was not 595 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: a violent man, and he was a semi pro baseball player. 596 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: He was going to attack somebody with a baseball bat, 597 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: he would make sure that harm was caused to them 598 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: they would not be able to fight back. But his 599 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: ex wife tells me that Marie never worked a day 600 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: in her life except working in the hairdresser years and 601 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: years ago. So if she never worked a day in 602 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: her life, how how this money and what Kay has 603 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: just said, you know, would would make sense that maybe 604 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: is all about trying to get this life insurance money. 605 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: And we're all we also know that Chad Davel's wife, 606 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: Tammy had a life insurance policy as well when she 607 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: died of quote natural causes in her sleep. You know, 608 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: it's it's overwhelming. I've heard so much about the cult, 609 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: the Doomsday cult, but traditional thinking is who benefits from 610 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: a death, typically financially, Bobby Chicone have we all been blind? 611 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: Is this all about the money? Keeping in mind, Lorie 612 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: Valo day Bell has not been charged in any murders 613 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,919 Speaker 1: or any felonies. The reasons she hasn't been extradited back 614 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: to Idaho is because all there is on her right 615 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: now is contempt of court for not showing up with 616 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: the children. Extraditions usually require a felony. Bobby Chicohn, Is 617 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: it about money? Well, it certainly looks that way when 618 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: you look at the objective facts and you hear what 619 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: we just heard about the life insurance proceeds and that 620 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: she thought she was going to receive them and there 621 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: was a surprise to her that she didn't. So yeah, 622 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: of course, you always look at who benefits from someone's death, 623 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: and they obviously have a financial motive in that person's death. 624 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: So that leads investigators to certain things and you start looking. 625 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: And but you know Nancy before that, you know in 626 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: this developing possibly developing psychosis of hers, that she thought 627 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: she was the savior and things like that. I mean, 628 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: where in the system when we watching out for the children. 629 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: Where in the system when they're going through a contentious 630 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: divorce and child custody is going to be an issue, 631 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: does a judge not step in and say, we need 632 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: to remove these children from this situation and protect them 633 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: because we may have an independent psychological evaluation should have 634 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: been conducted based on some of the allegations that he 635 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: was making against his wife, and those children were left 636 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: in a dangerous situation. And to me, we still don't 637 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: do enough to protect the children in these situations. And 638 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: I know there is an overwhelming feeling of keeping the 639 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: children in the home, keeping them with a biological parent. 640 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: But sometimes when you have evidence that one of the parents, 641 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: particularly the custodial parent, has some developing psychosis, possibly you 642 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: need to err on the side of caution and remove 643 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: those children from that situation that was not done in 644 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: this case, even though there were indicators that that could 645 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: possibly be the case. Karen, start, your psychologists. Have we 646 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: been blind? We've been focusing so much on her being 647 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: a member of this cult. What about the stunning development 648 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: that Kay Woodcock has just told us about. Well, it 649 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: would that would lead you to believe that this whole delusional, 650 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: the whole psychosis that we're talking about, maybe fake to 651 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: some extent. Nancy, because I know that I think I'm 652 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: correct when I read that she said that her son 653 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: was dead, that he wasn't alive, that people had reported that, Well, well, yes, 654 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: Nate Eton, is that right? Yes? No, hasn't she told 655 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: people that one of her children have passed away? I 656 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: think she's referring to Tyley and then said she didn't 657 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: have any other minor children. Didn't she say that? Yeah? 658 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: You're correct about that, Nancy. Also, Chad Dave Belle has 659 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: reportedly told people when his associations with or that they 660 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: had children, that she had no children. So not only 661 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: has LORI said that, but Chad has reported we also 662 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: said that that she has no children. So, Karen Smith, 663 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: the only way to get Lorie Valo back in the 664 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: jurisdiction is if there's a felony charge against her, which 665 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: right now there's nothing of the sort. It all goes 666 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: back to where are the children? But she is the 667 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: mom and she can squirrel them away if she wants to, 668 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: regardless of the pain is causing the grandparents. But then 669 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: you've got the Alex, the brother's death, you've got the 670 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: husband's death, You've got Tammy death, Tammy Daville's death. Would 671 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: that be a route of investigation in order to hang 672 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: a felony charge against Lorie Valo. Yeah, they're going to 673 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: have to go in and the autopsies are going to 674 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: be the telltale financy. That's what we're waiting on. Alex Cox. 675 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: He was you know, the autopsy was performed after he died. 676 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: So the toxicology is I'm sure what is holding up 677 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: the autopsy results at this point? What are they testing for? 678 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: That's the problem is that opiates, amphetamines, cocaine, barbiturates, heavy metals, pesticides. 679 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: They have to they have to root through all of 680 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 1: those possible causes along with everything else in the autopsy. 681 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell is going to be more difficult. Tammy was 682 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: exhumed meaning that ostensibly she was had from aldehyde, was 683 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: preserved from aaldehyde before she was buried. That is going 684 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: to make toxicology extraordinarily difficult. Formaldehyde is an extremely reactive 685 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: chemical substance. The blood and urine that would normally be 686 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: there for autopsy is gone. So now they have to 687 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: go in and take samples of that formalin solution preserved 688 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: organs from her body, and they have to root through 689 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: all that formaldehyde to find out if there's any substances 690 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,760 Speaker 1: in her So yeah, yeah, big problems. Yeah, big problems, 691 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: big problems. Let me understand something to Kay would cock 692 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: on a life insurance we know that Laurie Valoe had 693 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: been named the beneficiary million dollar life insurance, then you 694 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: believe she was taken off as beneficiary. You stated something 695 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:22,919 Speaker 1: about her being miffed, to put it, Miley, about being 696 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: taken off as beneficiary. How do you know Why do 697 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: you believe she was upset? Because that was her That 698 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: was the whole endgame was to get that life insurance money. 699 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: And I truly believe that at that point she would 700 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: have given JJ to us, and I mean that's just 701 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: my speculation in this, and then she would have been 702 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: free to go live on the beach and do what 703 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: she wanted to do with the million dollars. I mean it, 704 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: just what if anything did she say about what about 705 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: about not being the beneficiary? All? All she said was 706 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: that she she obviously ran across that life that change 707 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: of beneficiary form and Charles's papers that she had. That 708 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: she must have been digging because she I'm sure it 709 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: wasn't on the top of anything, because Charles wouldn't have 710 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: wanted her to know she wouldn't have beneficiary. But um, 711 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: I just believed that there was. She didn't say anything 712 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,720 Speaker 1: other than that text I got that with the picture 713 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: of the change of beneficiary forum naming me and that 714 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 1: five kids and no insurance money and his sister gets everything. 715 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. That's all I've ever heard from 716 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: her five sisters. Wait, what did the texts say? Five 717 00:50:53,600 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: kids and no money and his sister gets everything, meaning me, 718 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: and then she just and then she disappears. That's it, 719 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, Bobby Chicone, that is a 720 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: smoking gun. Oh absolutely, And like I said, when whenever 721 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: you can provide a financial incentive. And by the way, 722 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: she didn't know. This proves that she didn't know, she 723 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: wasn't the beneficiary, so in reality she thought she was 724 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: the beneficiary. So she thought she had a financial motive 725 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: if her ex as soon to be ex husband was 726 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: murdered or killed. Um, so not murdered necessarily, but in 727 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 1: his death she had a financial She thought at the 728 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: time in her mind that she had a financial benefit 729 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: if he died. And and so that's that in itself 730 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: is motive. Um. Now you know the frustration this case. 731 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, child abandonment is a felony in Idaho. 732 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: Now it's not often pursued, but it's a it is 733 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: a tool that they could use in this case. Um, 734 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: they could charge Laurie Vala with child abandonment and make 735 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: her you know, I mean, it's it's a tough, tough 736 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: case because, like you said, they only have contempt of 737 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 1: court on her now it's not a felony. Extradition is 738 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: not available, but there are other remedies or other other tools. 739 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: They'd be very hard to use. But you know, as 740 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: an investigator, the frustration level is so high you're trying 741 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: to grasp but anything you can to force this person 742 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: before a legal body and force her to answer questions 743 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: and and tell us where these children are, and so 744 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: you have to start looking him and even obscure methods 745 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: of doing that. And so I'm you know, I'm hoping 746 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: they're looking at any possible way of extracting her back 747 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 1: putting her in jail until you know she can provide 748 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: proof of the whereabouts and wellbeing of these children. Kathleen Murphy, 749 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer white in Nancy. I agree with 750 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: your former speaker who speaks about why wasn't ch Charles 751 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: dallow given the custody of this little boy. He had 752 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: filed documents with the courts alleging that he feared for 753 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: his life. He allowed that he feared for the safety 754 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: of his child. He alleged that she had a mental breakdown, 755 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: the psychosis, and yet I can't find where any orders 756 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,760 Speaker 1: were entered protecting this little boy. And hindsight is twenty twenty. 757 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: But my role today every day that I come into 758 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: courts to protect the children to the best of my ability, 759 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: and to defend and zealously represent these children when they're 760 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of a situation that could be dangerous, 761 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: potentially could be dangerous. And the facts were there, the 762 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: evidence was there, and I'll understand what happened such that 763 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: this child fell through the cracks and was not protected 764 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: by his father, that his father was not given the 765 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 1: opportunity to protect him. To Larry Woodcock, what is your 766 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 1: message to JJ right now? JJ? You know Pap Paul's number, 767 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: You know my phone number. Gift any way possible find 768 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 1: a Paul. Call me Hyley, get that phone number. Call 769 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: call the authorities. Please call the authorities. Let us know 770 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: where you're at. We will be there. Authorities will be 771 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: there as quick as possible. We want you home, We 772 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: want you safe. Please call Aunt to Kay what call? 773 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 1: What is your message right now to JJ? JJ? Mama 774 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: loves you and we want you home. And Maddie misses you, 775 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: and and Aunt Susan misses you, and we just want 776 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: you home. And Ranger is missing you, and Mama loves you. 777 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,279 Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls and our prayers go 778 00:54:52,760 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: on for the missing children, JJ and Tyley Tip line 779 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: one eight hundred eight four three five six seven eight 780 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,879 Speaker 1: one eight hundred eight forty three five six seven eight, 781 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:16,439 Speaker 1: or go to find JJ entirely dot com. Nancy Grays 782 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,