1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week's episode for a Cowboy Life, the 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: podcast presented by Smoothie King Blending Goodness to Feel your Greatness. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm Brady Tinker. This is part two of our Charles 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Hayley story called I'm Into Winning. Much of this interview 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: was recorded at a live event that I did with 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Charles to raise money for kids with his charity called 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Tackle Tomorrow Today, as we resume our story from part one, 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Charles reached a point of no return with the forty 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: nine Ers. He wanted out and the coaches and ownership 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: were on board, but very surprisingly, the forty nine Ers 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: trade him to their biggest NFC rival, the up and 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: coming Dallas Cowboys. George said, the last straw was when 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I told him I wasn't going to go to London 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: or Japan or wherever they were going. And when they 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: got back, they told me just go home. And then 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: I went home, and and I came back over there 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: and they said I was traded to the Dallas Cowboards. 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Charles Haley's three favorite people were gone, Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: and Ronnie Lott, and he felt like Lott in Montana 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: had been very disrespected and he couldn't forgive the organization 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: for doing that. So it's onto a new adventure with 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: another great team, the Cowboys. Charles, however, hates airplanes and 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: travel and the unknown, and yet he boards a plane 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: to Dallas because by his own hand, he is now 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy. Do come on hand thick off, Hi, 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm Jared John gotta die a cow Boys. Welcome to Dilla. 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at going like who they no damn owner 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: company by black as, no damn airport? Who's playing to 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Joe's over here? What Ears didn't know about Jerry Jones 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: was a lot. For instance, in nineteen sixty five, Jerry 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: borrowed one million dollars from Jimmy Hoffas Teamsters Union for 32 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: a Shaky's Pizza business that went belly up. He then 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: sold insurance for his father's company while getting his master's degree. 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: He had several other businesses go under before he began 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: the oil and gas exploration business in Arkansas. That business 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: was successful, and it allowed him to buy the Dallas 37 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine, or one hundred and forty 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: million dollars. A quick note, the Cowboys are now worth 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: five point seven two billion dollars, which by any standard, 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: is a very nice ROI Anyway, Jerry then fired the 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: world's most popular coach and went one and fifteen in 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: his first season, but he and Jimmy Johnson turned that 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: into seven and nine the next year, and eleven and 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: five the year after that, and everyone agreed that the 45 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys were almost back, but they needed a bit more. 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: They needed a bit more. So, Charles Hayley, when you 47 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: arrived DFW that day, you were, mister just a bit 48 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: more and your new team's owner was making damn sure. 49 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: You got off that airplane and were happily greeted by 50 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: the man himself, and then he picked my loted j up, 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: went down the baggage clean and I'm going like, okay, yeah, 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: i'body say yea daddy is Jerry Joe Okay. But then 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: we get in the car. Do y'all know where the 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Marriott Hotel is? Right there from from the airport three minute? Man, 55 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: it took up thirty forty five minutes. I'm moved. I 56 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: would to get there. He told me everything you've ever 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: done his life. Man, I'm like, hey, I just got 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: off the plane. I just left the team of the 59 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: eighties and I'm just sitting here and going like shit, 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: can I get to my room please? Obviously Jerry Jones 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: had not been informed yet. The Charles was not very 62 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: patient with guys he considers over talker man. He told me, 63 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: iverthing you've done wrong his life. I learned all the 64 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: stories from Arkansas that of cowboys, how much money were 65 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: losing a day. I mean shit, And I remember the 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: shit because you know what, you know, I was so depressed, 67 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was assessing Guard would remember all this stuff. 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: And I'm be like, this is not information that I 69 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: needed that I'm ever used. If you've listened to part 70 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: one of Charles the story, then you already know that 71 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: he likes information given to him in short, direct and 72 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: to the point form. Nothing superfluous, no extra. And then 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: you also know that Jerry Jones is a living, breathing 74 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: amount of extra when it comes to the gift of gab. 75 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: So how to go? 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I tried to break that song. 130 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: I tried, I think to then all of them see 131 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: me in right, So then I'm going to practice. Too 132 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: bad for those guys, because this ain't gonna be a 133 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: walk through in shorts. This will be angry Charles in pads. 134 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Stringers nearby tell me Dane suppose to go out and 135 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: all that players start rolling by, one at a time. 136 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: We're sorry, man, we didn't mean, you know. Nine nine 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: percent of what they said was true, but that one 138 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: percent it pissed me off. So I put my uniform on. 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, they go between the fifty and the thirty 140 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: to stretch. I went all the way back to the 141 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: end zone and I'm sitting back there because you know what, 142 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I gotta visualize what I'm gonna do to that ass. 143 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Then let me tell you won't go be nice. I 144 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: told you, Eric comes, I'm standing back there, and now Jimmy, 145 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy and them looking going like, what the hell have 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: we done? They're going like, hey, that's the first day 147 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: to me. I know, he going like, oh my god, 148 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: this guy, I gotta do this a whole year. As 149 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Johnson had a whole bunch of unusual 150 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: characters already on those teams, so if any one was 151 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: equipped to handle this particular brand of talent slash crazy, 152 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: it was Jimmy and Jerry went off to the offer 153 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: of the line. We were doing pass right. I see 154 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: dom y'all talking shit about me. I told everybody stand back. 155 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: I went up and down the line, whooped everybody after. 156 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: When I got done, I took my hammet off through 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: it that way, Chola pane, this way, I go in 158 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy walked behind him. Got cha, I'm walking to the shower. 159 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: Jimmy said, you know you heard me. I said, hold up, 160 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: said let's keep it like it was. You didn't talk 161 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: to me the first day. Let's keep it like that. 162 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: And so I went to the shower and show went home. 163 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't think the day was over. I didn't realize. 164 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: I posted states to meeting and stuff, but he didn't 165 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: tell me not to go home. There are always meetings 166 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: after practice. But I'm sure Charles wanted to make the 167 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: big entrance and then the big exit to let everyone 168 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: think about what they had just seen since he arrived. 169 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: It was probably for the best that he was gone. Mike, 170 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: question is, as mad as you were, what did you 171 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: think about the Cowboys players that you eyeballed out there 172 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: on that field. I opened that door and looked outside 173 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: the amen that was Third Breads out there. Dum as hell, 174 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: but third bread I mean, like, hey, I've never seen 175 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: that much talent a math in my life. They would 176 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: never be that kind of talent in one place. Ever. 177 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't usually go in for giving you guys lists 178 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: in these stories, but for those of you that are 179 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: real football fans and maybe just forgot that Cowboys team 180 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: had Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Darren Woodson, Moose Johnston, 181 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: Jay Nova, check, Ken Norton Junior, and more. There was 182 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: no salary cap of the ninety two and ninety three 183 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: championship teams, and Jerry and Jimmy simply had acquired the 184 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: most talent that the NFL had seen on one team 185 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: maybe ever. Now they had Charles Haley. That was the 186 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: rocky part of our relationship, me and Jimmy. We did 187 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fighting. We had the same vision, same 188 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: goal to win, and by any means necessary, what he did, 189 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: I did. Jimmy Johnson fired up his team, He prepared them, 190 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: he tested them, he yelled at them, He whipped the 191 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: ones who could take it, and he hugged the ones 192 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: who needed it on the defensive line. Charles Haley did 193 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: the same except for the hugging party. But now we 194 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: were like really good friends. I saw him like a 195 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: few years ago, and it was a touching moment, man, 196 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: where I had to apologize because it's like when I 197 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: watched film and stuff, I see him doing nice things. 198 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: I never saw that. I never saw that until you know, 199 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: until recently. You know. It was like, um, gave job view, 200 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like Yet he did, like, Yeah, he said 201 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: nice things about me, Like what was I thinking at 202 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: that time? I had my own head up my own ass. 203 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: A couple of things to notice here, if you will. 204 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: For one, Charles said he noticed when he was watching 205 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: film the Jimmy said nice things, which would indicate that 206 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: he had been watching film of those teams nearly twenty 207 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: years after they happened, which I think is because he's 208 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: now mentally very healthy and is working to sort through 209 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: some of the carnage maybe that he left while his 210 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: head was quote up his own ass. You married Karen 211 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: a year after you'd been in San Francisco, so it 212 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that much after that that Karen started asking you 213 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: about that. She thought you were bipolar or something along 214 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: those lines, and you were. You were having none of it. 215 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: You felt like you'd heard negative before, and she was 216 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: piling on with everybody else. Well, he told me he 217 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: went to the library and and looked it up, and 218 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: we were great, man, were a great team. Man. Then 219 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden she wanted to start, you know, 220 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: and she knew in college and youth called me doctor 221 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Jekleman's high. Everybody, you know, that's why I gotta oh 222 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: minded psychiatry. So when they would send me to the 223 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: damned psychiatrist, I will final what they would have talked about. 224 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: I get that argument. Okay. So Charles had been aware 225 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: for some time that something just didn't feel right within him. 226 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: But when you're in that place, you need someone who 227 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: loves you to tell you what they see, and certainly 228 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: as his wife, it was Karen's life too, but in 229 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: full Charles Haley fashion, he had put on his armor 230 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: by taking psych classes to verbally combat the naystairs, even 231 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: the doctors. So yeah, so that kind of threw out 232 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: marriage in a thankful while. Then we saw having kids. 233 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: I believe in family, and she could do anything and 234 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: I would be okay with it. 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The crease in his hat, the 270 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude a man. 271 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Stetson didn't just protect him from what life throw at him. 272 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,119 Speaker 1: It projected a rugged, unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still American, 273 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: made with pride. Right here in Texas. There's still the 274 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: unofficial crowd of all self respecting cowboys, and Stetson is 275 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: proud to be on the field with America's team. Find 276 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: a retailer nearest you at Stetson dot com. Slash Cowboys. 277 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: Karen was in the front row when Charles got put 278 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the Haleys 279 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: have raised four kids, Charles Junior, Madison, Princess, and Brianna, 280 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: and they are all together a lot as a family. 281 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: I should have had my own TV show, Sert. It 282 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: certainly would have been must sy TV. And speaking of 283 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: must see, let's get back to the story of you 284 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and your head coach Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy 285 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: only believe one things, b kills and let me tell 286 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: you that clock, if you could run that speed, you 287 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: on that team. Because he believed that speed can overcome anything, 288 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: and so that was his philosophy. But when I came here, 289 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: you know what I was. My only goal was to 290 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: prove Joyce seaffor Debt. It ain't easy to replace me 291 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: because you know what, the elephant shit I made it. 292 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: I made it work. Jimmy Johnson had come to the 293 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys from the U in Miami and he had a 294 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: great handle on fast, talented college football players and he 295 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: used the herschel Walker trade to get a whole bunch 296 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: of those players in his first three years. As for Charles, 297 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: he had an axe to grind, same as always, but 298 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: it worked out great for the Cowboys because Charles had 299 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: a singular focus aimed at his former coach George Seafer. 300 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: Now let's get to that elephant defense stuff, if you will. 301 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: The elephant defense, I played outside linebacker and then I 302 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: put my hand in the ground because I played linebacker. 303 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: Date he named it elephant position because I could do both. Okay, 304 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: what was great about support and nine was I could 305 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: take three hundred pound nose tackle, put him out there 306 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: deep as the van, and I could play. I could 307 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: play in his fight on the team I could. You know, 308 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: that's the kind of respect he gave me on it. 309 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: And then the who want to want to trade me? 310 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: To be fair, If you listen to part one of 311 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: charles a story, he told you himself that he forced 312 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: his way out of San Francisco by be rating head 313 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: coach George Seaffer and by blaming Steve Young for Joe 314 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Montana leaving for Kansas City. Charles just wanted out, but 315 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: once he was in Dallas, it wasn't exactly in his 316 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: mind that way. Now about the elephant defensive position, it 317 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: was made for you by George Seafer to take advantage 318 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: of your incredible ability to play any of the front 319 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: seven positions, and it worked because your intellect for football 320 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: was so strong that she always lined up all over 321 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: the field and it was great, which led to Super Bowls. 322 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: You're welcome, Dallas. And of those three super Bowls that 323 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: Charles played in, there was one that he particularly had 324 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: a great time at the best part about the Super 325 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: Bowl guy, But Michael Jackson was there and I wold 326 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: one glob calls for Michael jack Did it have any 327 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: sequence on it? I got Joe. Okay, y'all need to 328 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: tell him, tell him the damn Joe Okay, I got it. 329 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: I got it. I mean the hill. But there's a 330 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: little bit to fill in here. In charles first year 331 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: in Dallas nineteen ninety two, he and all of that 332 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: mass of fast talent that Jimmy and Jerry had collected 333 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: went thirteen and three in the regular season. Then they 334 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: beat the Eagles in the playoffs to go to the 335 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: NFC Championship game against his old team, the forty nine ers. 336 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: You can't make this kind of stuff up. The Cowboys 337 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: offense was great that day, led by Emmett and Troy 338 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: and Mike in that offensive line, and the defense, led 339 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: by Charles, forced a couple of huge turnovers. Cowboys win 340 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: thirty to twenty and now they are in the Super 341 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Bowl in Pasadena, California, where at halftime, the greatness of 342 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson is the main event. We've played Buffalo High 343 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: school team. We're playing Hey Sun now and everyone weren't 344 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: even know cow did bro. The Buffalo Bills were in 345 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: their second consecutive Super Bowl and they featured six men 346 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: who would be in the Hall all of Fame. Trust me, 347 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: they didn't suck. But it was twenty eighth to ten 348 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: and a half. The Searles was bored and Michael Jackson 349 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: was heading to the stage. I'm going like, damn, man, 350 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: this is this is the best y'all got. At halftime 351 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: they go in right. I'm sitting out there. I'm waiting 352 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: for Michael to go ahead and get the stage. Um, 353 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm chilling, I'm killing. Here comes Bush to David running 354 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: out chalk, gotta get in here. We got gold with things. 355 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: What I that naw, I ain't coming that now now. 356 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: And then um one Stead came up and he was 357 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: custing from afar, so I you know, I could re 358 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: kind of live. So then you know, um if I 359 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: took a few steps and you know he he ran 360 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: back in there told Jimmy and Jimmy come out there, said, 361 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: chalk you cat, you know what you're doing. As they 362 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: want a ship, let me tell you I won't coming in. 363 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: Don't matter who came out here. I was out there 364 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: moonwalking in Clease that God. Man, those the best moment, 365 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: just seeing that that was God. That was a great moment. 366 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson performing at the Super Bowl in January of 367 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three was the beginning of big time acts 368 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: performing at halftime of the Super Bowl. The field was 369 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: transformed into one huge stage with a magnificent light show, 370 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: and Michael nearly brought Charles to tears. It was truly 371 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: meaningful to him. The Bills committed nine turnovers to the 372 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: fast Cowboys defense, and Dallas won its first Super Bowl 373 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight. Charles Haley now had his third 374 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring and the team of the nineties had 375 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: taken the NFL by storm, and they weren't near done. 376 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dallas, Charles, you brought that winning thing.