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Speaker 3: It's when you experience one sense with another. So in

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Speaker 5: So the whole humpback whales so pale with the I had,

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Speaker 5: All of it so, and it was even my parents

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Speaker 5: it was written for you. Yeah, it's like it was

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Speaker 3: had auditioned for Toko since because I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get this call, there's a power struggle.

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Speaker 5: You are to Panga. Even the name, even the name

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Speaker 5: It was the coolest thing ever. And what's more, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Was just easy, and you think that's it. I got

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that was even possible. So I come

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Speaker 5: Tapanga was originally written as a quirky girl, an outlandish

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Speaker 5: So I came in and all the adults were very

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Speaker 5: and Ben started kind of poking at me a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and uh he said, say it's sweeter. So I

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Speaker 5: I was. I was amazed and knew not what to say.

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Speaker 5: They were like, you just take your stuff home. It's like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 5: The people that were nice to me were nice. Everyone

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Speaker 5: who was lovely was lovely. But it was the strangest

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Speaker 5: and knew nothing. I did not know what was happening

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Speaker 5: Well. And what's even funnier is even with that crazy day,

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Speaker 5: I had a whole thing, the humpback Whale. I was

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Speaker 2: And how old are you? Are you eleven or twelve?

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Speaker 2: We're about the same age, right, eighty one?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I was twelvesh Now, what's I remember it so very clearly?

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Speaker 5: I made blueberry pancakes and brought them up to my parents'

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Speaker 5: fired you? You're fired? What what? I left my pancakes,

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Speaker 5: ran into my room, took a blue blueberry smelling Markron

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Speaker 5: What came out? Fortunately, I had been with my agent

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Speaker 5: very long time. The director said I couldn't take direction,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she's worked on this show and that show,

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Speaker 5: And actually every director been like she takes she too

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Speaker 5: And because I always say corpse's float. There are no secrets,

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Speaker 5: could lie about me and tell me I was untalented

432
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 5: because the fact was he didn't think I was pretty. Wow.

433
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: Live with that, I'm taking away the thing you want

434
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: most in the world that was all but written for you. Yeah,

435
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 5: it's because you're not talented. Sorry, eyelied, It's just because

436
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: you're not pretty, right right?

437
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 3: Wow?

438
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: And so when you hear this, we all know because

439
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: we've all been those twelve year olds who also operate

440
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: like adults. Do you take this with twelve year old

441
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: emotion or like, how does this affect you when you

442
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: hear it? Do you just like this this this professional

443
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: adult side kick in and you kind of muster up

444
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: the courage, or do you just emotionally break?

445
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 5: I was shattered. I was shattered there. I don't know

446
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: a lot of adults that could handle that one.

447
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: No way, no way, let.

448
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 5: Let alone a quirky kid.

449
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: Emotional people.

450
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 5: Quirky in the nineties was also kind of code for nerdy, like.

451
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: Just weird, abnormal and different. Quirky was the positive spin

452
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: on the correct characteristics that were not considered great.

453
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: I never knew who got the job until it aired.

454
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: Wow, And did you watch it then? When it aired?

455
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: I watched the show exactly once in my life, and

456
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 5: it was that episode.

457
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

458
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: There is a lot that goes on throughout that time.

459
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: But I had found out that that you and Marla

460
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: had auditioned over the weekend, which.

461
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Was Friday night. To be exactly what you did.

462
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: No, such a slap in the face to find out

463
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: that I was dead man walking.

464
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, by that time you left on Friday, you were

465
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: already gone. I bet you.

466
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: My theory is that they made the decision at the

467
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: table read. I bet you it was. The reason you

468
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: felt so awkward. Is that whoever was pushing against you,

469
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: whether that was David Traynor alone or someone at the

470
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: network or whatever, who decided they made that decision after

471
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: the table read, and then you were dead man walking

472
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: the entire day.

473
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 5: That's my feeling. And that's why I haven't even a

474
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 5: bigger feeling than that I was dead before I ever

475
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 5: walked on that set. I truly believe that David Traynor

476
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 5: decided the minute the phone call was made that he

477
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: was going to get rid of that kid, come hell

478
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: or high water. And what a hell of a thing

479
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 5: to do to somebody. Yeah, I'm sure you all had

480
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 5: amazing experiences with him. He went on to do a

481
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: lot of great shows. Yeah, it makes me wonder why

482
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: didn't my second choice, Why wasn't there a backup?

483
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: Well, because I think, really, when when we take our

484
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: if we can get to a place where we can

485
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: completely take ourselves out of it. There was a power

486
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: struggle that had nothing to do with characters or topanga

487
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: or actors at all. It was a power struggle between

488
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: two adults who wanted power, period and the the we

489
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: were all just you know, yeah, I want to get

490
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: back to Bonnie. You and you're where you were at

491
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 2: that day. So you're just absolutely shattered. Your job has

492
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: been taken from you. This dream you thought you had

493
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: finally fulfilled. You were going to be this character on

494
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: the show that was going to be amazing. What's the

495
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: first thing you do. Your dad hangs up the phone,

496
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: and what's the first thing you do to like pick

497
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: up and move on from this situation.

498
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: Well, that's where it gets a little more interesting. At

499
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: the time, I had booked two series.

500
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: When you got the role of Tapanga and I got

501
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: something else ya.

502
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: When I got the role of Tapanga, I had also

503
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 5: booked a pilot and they both shot at the same time.

504
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 4: Oh no oh.

505
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 5: I had to make a decision, a very hard decision

506
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 5: between a series regular role that was the exact character

507
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to play, or the little sister on a

508
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 5: Nickelodeon pilot who was written like Doogie howser tough Call

509
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 5: pilot and it was really, you know, like bird in

510
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: the Hand is worth two in the Bush pilot might

511
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: not ago, and I was. I was gung ho for Tipanga,

512
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: but the grown ups were talking, the parents and the

513
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: agents were like wow, decision was made for that. So

514
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 5: while I'm know hugging Gone by Bed now, my parents

515
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: are trying to find the silver line, like, well, maybe

516
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: you can do the other show, which was such a

517
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: consolation prize because this was Nerd Glass of knee Socks

518
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: and Peter.

519
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: Pan collars because everything.

520
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: So immediately my scheme goes in damage control to get

521
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: that back, and miraculously they did. They got it back,

522
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: so I didn't have a chance to wallow, and I

523
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: wanted to waller. Oh my pity party was going to

524
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: be amazing. There were going to be tea cakes and everything.

525
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: How you have a job to do, and you're going

526
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 5: to do that job because that's what we do. If

527
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 5: you hear strange screeching, it's because I have a cockatoo

528
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 5: in the other room.

529
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: Who was going to say, do you have a food? Yeah?

530
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 5: Yes, I have a small menagerie at my house. And

531
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: the kind of it is a let me know if

532
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: it's a too invasive in the sound process.

533
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe your cockatoo is something he'd like to say

534
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: to me.

535
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 5: He will, he will make sweet Casanova bird love too, Sweetie.

536
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 5: I'll go get him in a minute.

537
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: Okay, great.

538
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: So this show was about a girl who gets doused

539
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: with a nuclear waste or something and she gets superpowers,

540
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: and like that was really the cool rule that once

541
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 5: again went to the pretty girl. Now I hate to

542
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 5: use that term so much because I'm in no way

543
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 5: disparaging myself, but every generation has their ideal of beauty,

544
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 5: if you will. Sure in the nineties it was Alyssa Milano.

545
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, it was that type.

546
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: Right now it's Anya Taylor Joy or Ananta Sea Freed. Like.

547
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: That's not to say that others aren't beautiful, but when

548
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: you have Charlie's their own as your measure of beauty,

549
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 5: I am not a common looking that, especially for the nineties.

550
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: So there's the girl covered in nuclear waste who's suddenly

551
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: moving things with her mind, and I'm the nerdy doogie

552
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 5: howser MD type genius who has already graduated college and

553
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 5: is sort of her sidekick, almost little sister, but helping

554
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: her navigate her powers. A lot of big words, yeah right, Yeah,

555
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: a lot of big words in that script. So I

556
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 5: went from one to the next, and I am just

557
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 5: trying to keep it together and not talk about it, right,

558
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 5: because you're not supposed to talk about.

559
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: It, right. Yeah.

560
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 5: Really, I do have to go back just a little bit, though,

561
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: because you definitely had something to add because as viciously

562
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 5: as I was treated by David, who was championing a

563
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: different look which he cast, he cast that look, he

564
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 5: had a type. You and Marla were definitely on the

565
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 5: same call sheet looking wise. Yes, So he had his

566
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 5: ideal replacements on deck in lesser roles. So the minute

567
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: I walked off that set, those two were ushered into network.

568
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 5: And I understand that you had an equally terrible experience

569
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: with my champion, Michael.

570
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah on that Yeah. So Friday was your brutal day

571
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: and David was hard on you. And I thought it

572
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: was very interesting that you really remembered that cafeteria scene

573
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: where you had to say peace, because I remember that

574
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: scene and watching David work with you, and I remember

575
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: hearing David say, no, Sweeter, it's peace. It's not peace,

576
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: it's peace, and I remained in my voice. Yeah, you know,

577
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: Michael loves your voice. Michael is my whole life. Michael

578
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: told me, lower your voice, lower your voice the register

579
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: I needed your Michael wanted me to have your voice,

580
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: and David wanted you to say peace. And so you

581
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: had that day Friday, Hary Willow.

582
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe, and.

583
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, and I then went to work on Monday

584
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: as the new to pay and had a perfectly fine

585
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: day with David. Went all day rehearsal. Think it's great,

586
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: I've got it. This feels good, and then I did

587
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: the run through, and at the end of that run through,

588
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: Michael did in front of everybody what David had done

589
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: to you in front of everybody on Friday.

590
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: Can I ask, was a male actor ever treated like that?

591
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I can't think of a single time when a male

592
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: actor on our show was treated like that?

593
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 4: Can anybody else?

594
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: No? I mean kids were fired, right, We had multiple

595
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: sh but they weren't fired.

596
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: They weren't called out in front of everybody and then fired.

597
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: They just weren't there again.

598
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Right.

599
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: It seemed like it seemed like this was for some reason.

600
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: If you were a girl, I'm going to wreck you

601
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: in front of everybody.

602
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 5: Whoever. I've weirdly been on other sets observing when one,

603
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 5: let's just say one mogul champions one person and another

604
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 5: logal champions and other so they'll like take turns, and

605
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: this happens when time's up. Happened it was time. They'll

606
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 5: take turns, like abusing the other one's favorite if you will, like, well,

607
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 5: I'm gonna yell at yours and like beat them down.

608
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, you want to yell at mine, I'll

609
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: yell at yours. And I've watched it obvious when it

610
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 5: happens and it's like, wow, it's alive and well, isn't it.

611
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: But even in my episode, the hair straightening serum was

612
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: from another actor, a young actor, and I remember the doves.

613
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 5: Rochelle says, it was.

614
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: All about I will and yeah, I had a tiny

615
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: part that week until.

616
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 5: When finally came to Fruition, he was gone too. It

617
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: was like they cleaned house and all of a sudden,

618
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 5: Stacey said said, geez, so.

619
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: But I want I mean, I don't. Maybe it didn't

620
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: bring you the same comfort it brought me, But it

621
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: was so interesting when Bonnie and I were on the

622
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: phone and first of all, just for her and I

623
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: to connect as just woman to woman, but then also

624
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: actor to actor, and all this time between the two

625
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: of us, and yet our lives have we have in

626
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: my mind, I mean, Bonnie and I are like this,

627
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: and yet we've had all this time, but are are

628
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: no Our stories are inextricably flinked, and yet we have

629
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: had all the space. And to hear what she what

630
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: from her POV and her perspective and what she went through,

631
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: and then to have it go all the light bulbs

632
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: went off for me that, oh that that that note

633
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: session had nothing to do with me. It had nothing

634
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: to do with my performance. And guess what, everything Bonnie

635
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: had happened, everything that went through there had nothing to

636
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: do with Bonnie, had nothing to do with her looks,

637
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with her performance, had nothing to

638
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: do with her. It was another storyline that was playing

639
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: out behind the scenes, and we were just characters in

640
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: the play. And we never would have known that had

641
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: we not talked.

642
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: But what I told you too, which got even a

643
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 5: little weirder, was this is really, this is the thing

644
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 5: that doesn't go away in my life. Very weirdly, it

645
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 5: keeps rearing its head no matter how much I get

646
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: past it, Like really, it just keeps showing up. Yeah,

647
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: I have to back up one more time too. When

648
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 5: I saw the show, I realized because I had found

649
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: out all of that, and I saw the Barbie Mettell

650
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 5: Girl a literal doll as Topanga, and it was like, oh,

651
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 5: it was the only time I would ever watch the

652
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: show because I was not about torturing myself, which is

653
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 5: probably healthy, and it was a hard show to avoid really,

654
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: so the one time I did see it was very

655
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: hard and I had to just and it's hard not

656
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: to become a bitter twelve year old.

657
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, z, you don't want to be that.

658
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: So in the meantime, the show The Secret World of

659
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 5: Alex Mack gets picked up by Nickelodeon. Yes, and I

660
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 5: get a letter in the mail how wonderful you were

661
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 5: in the pilot and how much energy you brought. However,

662
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 5: that network has decided it would serve the show better

663
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 5: to have an older sister as Dianer sixteen. So better

664
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 5: luck next time.

665
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Geez.

666
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 5: So I have now lost both series, which was again

667
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: the hits came so hard and so fast, and again

668
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: they had nothing to do with me. And finally someone

669
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: from Alex Matt Colden said it was a conflict. We

670
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 5: couldn't have Doogie Howser on the show with So now

671
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 5: time March is on. My sister and I are both actors.

672
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 5: Molly was on Full House actually for several episodes as Mickey,

673
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: the girl that gets Stephanie to smoke. All of them

674
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 5: had bad noir, Big Sister. So now I get word

675
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 5: from the and everyone knows this is a touchy subject.

676
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 5: Molly has an audition for Boyet's World.

677
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's about a year later, because it's season two.

678
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's about a year later. And Mollie actually did

679
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 5: two episodes and it was a very small part. And

680
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 5: I was like, no, absolutely not but professional small role.

681
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 5: This is not how we do things. So Molly auditioned.

682
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 5: Of course, she booked it. Mollie was a wonderful actress,

683
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 5: all of those things. She books it, and then the

684
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 5: character recurs, and then the character recurs, and it was

685
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: very happy for her, very hard. This is still really fresh.

686
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

687
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 5: And what's more is we didn't think they knew she

688
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: was my sister. We didn't know how much of a

689
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: scourge I was on set, so we really didn't want

690
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 5: anyone to know right that we were related, that she

691
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 5: had anything to do with me, because we didn't want

692
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 5: her to get fired too.

693
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

694
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: So there she is on set. And what's strange is

695
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 5: I was always the contortionist, all of that, and Molly

696
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 5: had also figured out how to pop hers. Not quite

697
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: the same, but apparently everyone on set had been talking

698
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 5: about party tricks or strange things, and Molly, without thinking,

699
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 5: pulled it out. And she.

700
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: Even said the.

701
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 5: Minute she did it, and I was like, hey, you

702
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 5: know who you look like? And she went, oh, no,

703
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: oh no. So Molly pulled you aside and confided it

704
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 5: to you. And that was kind of a big deal

705
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: for her to do, because, look, she trusted you to

706
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 5: tell you that. At that point, she was probably a

707
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 5: little scared she might get found out or fired. So

708
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 5: insult to injury comes. It's tape day and the family's like,

709
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 5: you should go and support your sister.

710
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: Wow, so do you.

711
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: I had to put on my big girl panties this

712
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 5: show that day.

713
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: Good four there.

714
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 5: And showed up and I sat in that audience and

715
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: when the warm up, guys like, does anyone have any

716
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: special talents that they want to show off to our

717
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 5: studio audience. I had so many T shirts from all

718
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 5: my friends shows Growing Pains. I had a T shirt

719
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: from every show that I got up and entertained on.

720
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 5: I didn't get up. I sat there and watched and

721
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 5: at the end of the show, Cast takes a bow

722
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: and Molly weaves the family down setting foot on that set.

723
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 5: Really like my toes curled when I walked like past

724
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: audience land onto that set. It was just like yeah

725
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 5: and cast, yeah, and everyone was really nice to me.

726
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 5: Everyone was really nice, and it was kind of awkward.

727
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 5: And I didn't know this. My dad said that David

728
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: came in from the corner and clocked me and saw me,

729
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: and he said the look on his face was just

730
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 5: he said, he just gave a look to you. And

731
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 5: Dad looked at him like, hey, man, gave him a

732
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 5: total hay Man look. And he said that it was

733
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 5: a look of I don't know if it was Contricia Gilt,

734
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: but it was like right, it was a definite look.

735
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 5: And weirdly, weirdly, I ran into the rider. I don't

736
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 5: know if you remember this where when I was doing

737
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: Shakespeare in northern California. I think I may have been

738
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 5: doing Midsummer again. This time I was playing Puck and

739
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: Molly was there, and we were at the Burbank Airport.

740
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: Writer's favorite face Home away from Home.

741
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 5: You were walking through and again you're walking through. I

742
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: was sitting with a man named David Springhorn who was

743
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 5: playing bottom genius actor, and I just he goes, well,

744
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 5: you look like you just saw a ghost and you

745
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: saw my sister and you were like me and you

746
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 5: two sat down and Molly like pointed me like you

747
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: got like hey, hi, and you do. I think our

748
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 5: was delayed because we had a lot of time, and

749
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 5: I sat and told bottom David Springhorn the story of

750
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 5: what happened, and he looked at it was like, well,

751
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: aren't you just the little survivor? Yeah, because because I

752
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 5: didn't leave, I stayed in this business. This destroyed me

753
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 5: at the time. Make no mistake, this was probably one

754
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 5: of the more defining experiences of my life. But it's

755
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 5: one of severe perseverance. I did not let it take

756
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 5: me out of of my life.

757
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: And so over the years, have you ever shared this

758
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: story publicly with as many times as you've been interviewed

759
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: with as an illustrious this is a of a career

760
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: as you have had. Have you ever when somebody asks you,

761
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: what's a little tidbit about you that nobody knows? Have

762
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: you ever shared this story publicly?

763
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 5: Never? Once? Never? Once? And I'm asked a lot tell

764
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: me something that nobody knows about you, and this is

765
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 5: always that thing. It's like a dirty little industry secret.

766
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 5: And I haven't said it for a lot of reasons.

767
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 5: Number One, I don't want to disrespect you, Danielle. Really,

768
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 5: you were on that show a long time. You are

769
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 5: an icon of that day, and who am I to

770
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 5: take anything away? From you. Really, even if as a

771
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 5: child I felt something had been taken away from me,

772
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: I didn't think it would do me any good to

773
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 5: stand up and say even come across as that was

774
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: not like right, Really it didn't matter by then. And

775
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: what's more, I didn't know if that was ever public.

776
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 5: I know I read once, because unfortunately, when something happens

777
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: to you, even if you break up with someone, people

778
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 5: feel the need to keep tabs for you. Exactly broken

779
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: up with so they're like, hey, so she's dating someone new,

780
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: and you're.

781
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's nice. I didn't want to know her.

782
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 5: So people would send me articles even as a kid, Oh,

783
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 5: this was the worst. As a kid, people go, hey,

784
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: so there's this new character on this show. Did you

785
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 5: audition for that? I mean, it's like it was written

786
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 5: for you. I got that for the first three seasons

787
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: of Brains, like oh my gosh, and don't you live

788
00:51:52,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 5: into Panga Canyon. I'm like yeah, So, like a very

789
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 5: few people knew about it, and those who did would

790
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: like send me articles like hey, she said she wasn't

791
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: the first choice. Why don't you get up? And I'm

792
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 5: like no, thank you, yeah, thank you. And then years

793
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 5: past and then Girl Meets World came up. I was like, Oh, holy, how.

794
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: Did this show die with the nineties?

795
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 5: Come on, maybe it'll work on it. I was like,

796
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 5: Oh good, let's just reignite that old flame. Wow.

797
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: No.

798
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 5: I also wasn't sure if I would be disavowed if

799
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 5: I said so. You never know. I can't imagine how

800
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 5: Eric Stoltz felt Back to the Future. He filmed for

801
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 5: like two or three weeks and they went it's just

802
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: not working. I don't know if he ever broke it

803
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: or if that's just something that's come out in recent decades. Yeah,

804
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 5: because make no misp, I don't know what that is.

805
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: Everyone has been fired anyone who has lasted in this

806
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 5: town for any amount of time, director, producer, writer, is

807
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 5: specially actors. Everyone has been fired or replaced for one

808
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: reason or another.

809
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, absolutely true.

810
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 5: So this is not a unique story. But again, I

811
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: would hate to say something to Fangoria or to one

812
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 5: of those and have it be fact checked and have

813
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 5: Disney disavow right or have you called out of the blue, hey,

814
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 5: so this person is saying that they are and put

815
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 5: you in that position.

816
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, and again, because we hadn't spoken, you didn't know

817
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: how I what I knew about you or how I

818
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: felt about you, and I've never known how you felt

819
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: about me, And so I do I have to ask,

820
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: was there at twelve when this whole thing happened and

821
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: you then watched the episode and find out it was me?

822
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: Did you ever hate me? Did you ever think like

823
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: that girl?

824
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 5: Oh? Of course, yeah, I am not going to lie,

825
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 5: and I was the bigger man about this, right. Well,

826
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 5: what's more is what you don't know as a kid

827
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 5: is that you had nothing to do with it, is

828
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 5: that someone else was going to have that role because

829
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 5: at that point it was going to be anyone but

830
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 5: me because there were too many egos involved in it. Yeah,

831
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 5: my victory was to be short lived because someone didn't

832
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: want that guy to win. So absolutely, when I turned

833
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 5: on the TV and saw literally Barbie the prettiest girl,

834
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 5: a literal model you were. You were literally on Barbie

835
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 5: commercials like you and Barbie next to each other, it

836
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 5: was like, oh my.

837
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: Gosh, that was the live action skipper.

838
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 5: That's who they got and it was not me. So yes,

839
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 5: of course, for a long time it was like she

840
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: took it from me, but you were not in the

841
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 5: corner conniving and conspiring. No, the seat was open and

842
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 5: you were ushered into it.

843
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and to touch on, like you said, the

844
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: story of perseverance, I mean the career you have had

845
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: after Boy Meets World. It was like a Boy Meets

846
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: World was a blip on your radar. I mean, you

847
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: are Samara in the Ring mov franchise, You come out

848
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: of the TV. You have been in tons of things,

849
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: Minority Report, Criminal Minds, you did three episodes of a

850
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: Series of Unfortunate Events, three episodes of Ant Farm, Shamelets,

851
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: the Muppets, stunt performances, and over thirty projects. Your career

852
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: has You have an incredible career anybody would die for.

853
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: And I just our phone conversation was so I don't

854
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: know if I could ever put to words how it

855
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: felt for the two of us on that phone call

856
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: to have connected after all this time and to have

857
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 2: shared the things that we shared. And looking back now

858
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: a full thirty years later, how do you feel about

859
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: your experience on Boy Meets World and how it has

860
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: shaped your life over this time and the fact that

861
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: now here we are sitting here together.

862
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 5: Goodness, it was not a good experience. I'm not going

863
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 5: to sugarcoat it and say that it was. It was

864
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: a hard lesson in the real world of the business

865
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: be chosen. But as they said in The Godfather, we've

866
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Speaker 5: chosen this business. No one put a gun to our head,

867
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Speaker 5: and you choose to stay in it as far as

868
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Speaker 5: it goes. I do get to say in my own head,

869
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 5: in my own world that I did get that role.

870
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 5: The ways and the reasons it was taken well, that

871
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 5: was outside of my control. But really one thing that

872
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: kind of cracks me up that we joke about is

873
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 5: I became the monster that the pretty girls are scared of.

874
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 5: I'm the thing in the dark that will scare your

875
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 5: children and your boyfriends wherever. Though I have lived on

876
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 5: I've lived a life that I don't know that I

877
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Speaker 5: would have lived had I been to Pangolorence on boy

878
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 5: Meet's World. In my life, I opened for Paul McCartney.

879
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 5: I toured with Sir Paul McCartney for ten weeks and

880
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 5: stood on stage with him and took a bow every night.

881
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 5: I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Yeah, I've

882
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 5: seen attack ships off the shoulder of Orion. In my life,

883
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 5: I have ridden horses with my dad to the foot

884
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 5: of the Pyramids at sunset and sipped tea in a

885
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 5: Bedouin outpost. Cool. I have lived a crazy, adventurous life.

886
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: I have ridden wire rigs that frankly, only a handful

887
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 5: of people and mostly from the Matrix movies, have ever ridden.

888
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 5: I have safeguarded other children on sets. Yeah, that couldn't

889
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 5: speak up for themselves, or stand for themselves, or fall

890
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: down for themselves. I am one of five women who

891
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Speaker 5: can say they were a Terminator.

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Speaker 1: Hm.

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Speaker 5: I'm actually in the legacy of the Terminators series. I

894
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 5: was one of the female Terminators. Really, I would love

895
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 5: to have met the girl that went on that show.

896
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 5: I really would. But I had had adventures that I

897
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: think my life took me so far beyond that, beyond

898
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Speaker 5: being a kid on a series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in that sense, you know, that's exactly right. I

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Speaker 2: just thank you so much for being willing, for the

901
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: first time ever to come out here and share your

902
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: story with us and share your experience with our listeners.

903
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: I also would like to make it clear I did

904
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: not coerce you in any way into doing this. I

905
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: said to you when I first called you, I said,

906
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: if nothing else, all I care about, truthfully, was that

907
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: you and I got to have a conversation and with that,

908
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: if you wanted to share your story publicly and to

909
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: share your life and to share your story with the public,

910
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: then I wanted to give you that platform. However, if

911
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: you're if you were, if you never wanted that, I

912
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: was never going to force you to do it. What

913
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: was most important to me was that we got to

914
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: have the conversation that we had, and the very first

915
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: when I said, do you have any desire in coming

916
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: on and sharing your story and you said I will,

917
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: I will do it. I would like to do it.

918
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: And I know that it took courage and I know

919
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: it took bravery. And I am so eternally grateful for

920
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: you and to you for not only coming on here

921
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: and sharing your story with everyone, but just for accepting

922
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: that phone call on that random Tuesday and for talking

923
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: to me. And you know, just.

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Speaker 5: Daniel, you're lovely, You are lovely. It couldn't have happened

925
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 5: to a nicer person, really, So thank you for being

926
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 5: kind and open and really being just so lovely about

927
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Speaker 5: the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bonnie. It really means a lot to us.

929
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: So ah, thank you. This has been a nice one.

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: It's it's just a really beautiful full circle moment for me.

931
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 5: And are you thank thank you for talking about it,

933
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 5: because my gosh, this has been like the dark industry

934
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: secret in my life. Wow. And I have gone on

935
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 5: to other strange and wonderful things, but this is not

936
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Speaker 5: something that's ever come out.

937
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Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

938
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Speaker 3: I was so good to see you everybody.

939
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Speaker 2: Bye bye. Oh wow. What a life, what a career,

940
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: what a story.

941
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Speaker 1: Is just a total class act, just so classy about

942
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: the entire thing, the situation back then. I'm coming to

943
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: the show with her sister to support her sister after.

944
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Speaker 4: What she went through.

945
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: That is so intense at thirteen years old. She would

946
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: have been there a thirteen years old ago, a year ago.

947
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: My entire life feels ripped out from under me.

948
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: Yep, crushed, and I'm now going I'm going to go

949
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: set back back to that set, same directors, same people there,

950
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: see those people sister she.

951
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: Was describing the secret world of alex Mack was like,

952
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: is she talking about secret world of Alexis's show? And

953
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: then it was like right, which was also Nitania's show, right,

954
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: like ended up being the sidekick. So what in a

955
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: yeah world of Yeah, like she's man, she's super classy,

956
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: so classy, can't you know? Yeah, I mean in a

957
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: weird way.

958
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 5: It couldn't have happened.

959
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's she was lucky that she had

960
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: to show biz family, do you know what I mean? Like,

961
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 3: could help her be resilient about this, because if you didn't,

962
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know about the other kids

963
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: who were fired off of our show, what their experiences

964
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: were like moving forward, you know, if any of them continued,

965
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: and and you know the fact that she was able

966
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: to stick it out, yeah, god, I.

967
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Speaker 2: Mean, and even the fact that her parents made her

968
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: do the hard thing and were like, you should go

969
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: support your sister. You know, they probably knew better than

970
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: she did that staying away from the set was only

971
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 2: building it up to be this big, horrible, scary monster. Yeah,

972
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: that once she actually went there, it would give her,

973
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: you know, probably a sense of comfort.

974
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Speaker 1: This is our family, this is our business, this is

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Speaker 1: what we do. There's good times, there's bad times, and

976
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Speaker 1: the bad times can be really bad, and the good times.

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Speaker 4: Can be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

979
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Speaker 4: And that's the same. There's the highs and lows in

980
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 4: this business are insane.

981
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Speaker 2: And we have we have both of them to talk

982
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: about all of us. You know, we all have those

983
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: horrible lows and we have those extreme highs, and yet

984
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: you know, thankfully for most of us, we go, you

985
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: know what, it's all worth it, and we and we

986
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: love what we do, and you know, it's just yeah,

987
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: it's just amazing. So anyway, I I just my conversation

988
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: with her was just even you know this it was

989
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: it was better than this was because it was intimate.

990
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: It was just the two of us learning of these

991
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: things about each other and sharing our experiences, and it

992
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: felt like there were just men's like men, little little

993
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: patches to spots on our heart and in our soul

994
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: that needed patching. And so I'm so glad that she

995
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: agreed to come on and share just share her life

996
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: with all of you, because she's so special and so

997
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: classy and so yeah, thank you, as always everyone for

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Speaker 2: following along with this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,

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Speaker 2: you can follow us on Instagram pod meets World Show.

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Speaker 2: And we have merch.

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Speaker 4: Merchandise I try to do it classy.

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Speaker 2: I like its Bonnie classy great.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for Bonnie, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I will send us out this time. We love you all,

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Speaker 2: pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced

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