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Speaker 1: Hello, Texans, welcome to the show, as we are ready

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Speaker 1: to rock well just about Saturday, the Texans and the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs get it on Arrowhead Stadium. So we usually huddle

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Speaker 1: up on Thursday nights with three days to go, but

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Speaker 1: tonight it is a situation where forty eight hours from

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Speaker 1: now we will be done with the game, which is

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Speaker 1: incredible to say.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark vandermir and John Harris with you. And as always,

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Speaker 1: Thursday night means the General is with us. And right

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Speaker 1: after our visit with the General, Corey Undlin passing game

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Houston Texans, DB's coach, he's going

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Speaker 1: to join us. That is a great visit. You are

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Speaker 1: not going to want to miss it, but we never

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Speaker 1: want to miss John McClain, general.

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Speaker 2: Good evening. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts as the Texans take on the Chiefs in a

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Speaker 1: big one on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: In all my decades of watching football, I can never

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Speaker 3: remember a day like we're going to have Saturday, with

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Speaker 3: two great NFL games, three college ball playoffs. If you

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Speaker 3: are a football fan, you'll be in heaven. And I

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Speaker 3: think Texans need a game like they had in two

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Speaker 3: thousand in nineteen when Patrick Mahomes had I think an

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Speaker 3: ankle injury and there was speculation he wouldn't play. He

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Speaker 3: threw three touchdown passes and the Texans beat Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes thirty one to twenty four at arrow In Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Well, it feels like so long ago. It does. It

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Speaker 2: feels like so long ago, but it's not.

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Speaker 4: And there are a lot of things that are similar

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Speaker 4: about those games. Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Andy Reid, and

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Speaker 4: Chris Jones. Now here's something that nobody will remember. It

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Speaker 4: stood out to me, Chris Jones. How well did Chris

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Speaker 4: Jones play against the Texans back in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember not well? He was not well, he

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Speaker 4: was sick going into that game he played. He didn't

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Speaker 2: So general, I'll ask you this, just one simple thing.

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Speaker 4: If Chris Jones didn't register a stat on Saturday against

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Speaker 4: the Texans, which I highly doubt, but let's see it happen,

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Speaker 4: what is that enough to say the Texans could win

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Speaker 4: that game. If Chris Jones has that same game like

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Speaker 4: he did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two, the Texans could win this game, even if Chris

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Speaker 3: Jones plays well. Two years ago, Titus was playing left

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Speaker 3: guard and they had a really close loss, yes to

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, and he played well against Jones. Yep, they

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Speaker 3: need for that to happen again. But of course if

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Speaker 3: for the interior lineman who have been beaten far too

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Speaker 3: many times. But yes, Jones is so disruptive there. You know,

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Speaker 3: he helps us make George carlotis a better edge rusher,

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Speaker 3: and they've got a great defense. You know, we're not

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Speaker 3: talking about it like we have in the past, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of games this year the defense has won

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Speaker 3: because Mahomes has been wildly inconsistent, and so yeah, that

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Speaker 1: John McClain joining US General Patrick Mahomes ankle injury in

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Speaker 1: the last game, full participation in practice, yet all week

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Speaker 1: it's should he play or should he not play? Last

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Speaker 1: I checked if your full participation in practice, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say you're one hundred percent healthy, but that's

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Speaker 1: usually a good to go kind of sign. So you

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Speaker 1: think all this debate is just that useless air filler

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Speaker 1: and Mahomes is certainly going to play against the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 3: Certainly he's going to play useless scamfielder. That's exactly what

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Speaker 3: it is. I think if he's limited, or if he

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Speaker 3: wasn't practicing, he would still play because he's Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him limp around on the field when he's

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a great player who can still win

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Speaker 3: when he's hurting, and there's not a lot of those,

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Speaker 3: playing that well offensively. When he's been healthy. They've made

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Speaker 3: some big plays, but if you look at Travis Kelsey,

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Speaker 3: To have Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson, the best mats

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Speaker 3: low scoring. Texans played one score games, Chiefs play one

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Speaker 3: Chiefs are playing, and that's why it's going to be

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Speaker 3: so exciting. And I think there's a good chance that

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Speaker 3: this defense does a great job in this game and

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Speaker 3: a Hunter and Anderson abused their offensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. You mentioned the one score games.

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Speaker 4: Actually the Saturday night I'm sorry, Sunday Night Football on

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Speaker 4: NBC twitter account posted this this morning. The Chiefs in

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Speaker 4: Texans come up clutch when the game is on the line.

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Speaker 4: The Texans are seven and four in one score games

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Speaker 4: this season. Yeah, it's pretty good. The Chiefs are ten

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Speaker 4: the point that John's making and that they're so good

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Speaker 4: in one score games. You're gonna have to put the

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Speaker 4: only loss they have, they lost by nine up in Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: It's still single digits, but it's a two score game.

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Speaker 4: But that's to me, that's gonna be the key. You

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Speaker 4: or form when you're in the fourth quarter five minutes left.

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Speaker 5: Make a game Mahomes, that's right, make it Mahomes proof.

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Speaker 4: And that is going to be very, very difficult, There's.

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Speaker 2: No question about that. General.

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Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, when the Texans played the Chiefs, Charles E. Mennum,

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Speaker 4: was awesome, creative fumble. We had a touchdown over there.

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Speaker 2: Justin Reid playing safety, played really really well. No where

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Speaker 2: you're going, But now they play for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Those three guys in particular, general, how much of an

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Speaker 4: impact do you think they'll have this week for the

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Speaker 3: Justin Reed since he went has had a tremendous impact.

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Speaker 3: And I Charles Minne, who has been out for a

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Speaker 3: Justin Rae's one of my all time favorite players here.

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Speaker 3: He left in free agency, and I wish him the best.

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Speaker 3: Except on Sunday when I think about Justin and everything

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, we can talk about that, but we won't.

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Speaker 1: So when I look at the connections that the Texans

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Speaker 1: and Dino Vasso could coach his corners up to have

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Speaker 1: some picks like Jamari Lassiter and Derek Stingley Junior and

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Speaker 1: John let me go here. I went Chris Farley with

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario earlier in the week, like, isn't.

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Speaker 2: Derek Stingly awesome?

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Speaker 1: But talk to me about how awesome Derek Stingley Junior is.

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Speaker 1: And I think Johnny thinks he's a dpo Y candidate,

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Speaker 1: But I think this team is dark horse dark horse.

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Speaker 2: I think Daniel Hunter has a shot.

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Speaker 1: If Daniel Hunter goes off of these next two games

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Speaker 3: lot of great cubs lately, especially for Sunday's game against Miami.

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Speaker 3: Now they're going against my homes and Lamar Jackson. If

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Speaker 3: you're a defensive player, that's where your reputations, your All Pros,

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Speaker 3: that are going to get a lot of attention nationally.

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Speaker 3: And Stingley is riding away right now and he deserves it.

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Speaker 3: I think about two years ago when Stingley was hurt

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Speaker 3: that Texans used to have some star players. Now that's

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Speaker 3: of course the coaching for their development has been tremendous.

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Speaker 3: But Hunter Anderson and Stanley and Kamari Laster and Kayln

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Speaker 3: Rookie team. And there are some really good rookie defensive backs.

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Speaker 3: But this is a chance to separate yourself when it

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Speaker 4: But last the early runs of four six, he's not

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Speaker 4: Kamari Laster can play the game. And it's just fine.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Peter Schrager does his top five

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Speaker 2: Kayln Bullock number two, he said, number two. Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: General, it's a playoff time for these two teams potentially tonight,

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Speaker 4: the Denver Broncos and the LA Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Now the Chargers got.

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Speaker 4: Pounded by a really hot Buccaneers team I don't know

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Speaker 4: I mean, if LA goes to eight and seven, maybe

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Speaker 4: would think both of them are. In your thoughts about

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Speaker 4: tonight's game, the Broncos, Chargers who you got?

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Speaker 3: Even though bow Nags are strong five interceptions in the

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Speaker 3: last two games, I'm going with the Broncos. It'll be

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Speaker 3: like a home game for the Broncos, their family, their fans,

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Speaker 3: the Broncos because they get clinched playoffs, and I thieve

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Speaker 3: I brought this up with you guys every week. Jackson

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Speaker 3: started and ended last year with the Ravens, and this

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Speaker 3: in the eighteenth game, both of NRG Stadium.

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Speaker 5: You like the Steelers to beat the Ravens on Saturday

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Speaker 3: How long? No? I think the Ravens are going to

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Speaker 3: break that straight. The Ravens Steelers have been really good

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Speaker 2: Who would you rather see in that first round playoff game?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely you want to play the Steelers, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: Now, the weather's not good, it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I tell people to make their's run. The Texans like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean the Netflix special.

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Speaker 1: I don't like all the attention, but give me more,

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Speaker 2: He's a walking contradiction. I mean, come on, what a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the problem with the society today and

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Speaker 1: When you look at the college football playoff, this fascinates

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Speaker 1: On Saturday, the Texans are up against Penn State SMU,

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Speaker 3: They'll get that corrected next year. Of course, they don't

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Speaker 3: I've got friends that graduated from SMU who are going

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Speaker 4: How about the fact you got you got Denver Chargers tonight,

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Speaker 4: At the same time the Ravens and Steelers are playing crazy,

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Speaker 4: Way, because in the state of Texas it's such a

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Speaker 5: Crazy, it's the greatest football.

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Speaker 2: Day in the state of Texas general. You agree.

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Speaker 3: I agree, absolutely, and they're big games on Sunday too.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Jaguars. Let's just go division here for a moment.

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Speaker 2: Watch this. Let's go Jacks is there?

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Speaker 5: Let's go jack Let's go Jacks. Why do we want that?

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Speaker 4: Because it's dry, They will win, will drop their status. Yes,

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Speaker 3: One reason Tom Brady is a minority owner of the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Mark Davis has said he's going to rely heavily on him.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he really and truly runs Antonio Pierce

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Speaker 3: You know, there's less pressure with the Jaguars than any

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Speaker 3: have gone to Mason Rudolph from Will Levis and now

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Speaker 3: fans better hope if Sam Darnold gets out there, they

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want both of you to rate this hot take. Okay,

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Speaker 4: To rate it on sizzle fires general one to five,

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Speaker 4: Tennessee plays Ohio State in the College Fotball Playoff first

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Speaker 2: Right, here's my hot take.

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Speaker 4: How State gets upset, Ryan Day gets fired, and Mike

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Speaker 3: One because I don't think the first year ad is

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Speaker 3: going to fire Ryan Day. And thank you with brunning

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Speaker 3: ESPN's website today about day in Ohio State and what

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Speaker 3: they face every year with the pressure of Michigan. It's

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Speaker 3: amazing how much emphasis there is on one game on

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Speaker 3: Edd coach.

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Speaker 1: In the playoff and then played the home game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Take it from there. General, What do

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Speaker 1: you have going on on Houston Texans dot com?

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Speaker 3: I I have a column post today on the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and Texans have played three of the most important games

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Speaker 3: in Texans history, all involved in Andy Reid and Bill

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Speaker 3: O'Brien playoff game in fifteen. I forgot. I went back

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Speaker 3: and researched. I forgot about how pathetic Brian Horrior was

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Speaker 3: with a fifteen point seven rating. And then the Texans

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest regular season victories in their history

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Speaker 3: at Arrowhead in twenty nineteen. And then there was the

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Speaker 3: first quarter of the divisional playoff game in which the

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Speaker 3: Texans led twenty four to HN.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for reminding us remember that. Thanks a

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Speaker 1: lot for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, Corey Undlin, he's the defensive backs

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Speaker 1: coach and defensive passing game coordinator for the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: That is next. It's good, you don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: Right now, let's get to defensive passing game coordinator and

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Speaker 1: defensive backs coach Corey Unlin.

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Speaker 5: Coach, how's it going outstanding?

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to have you back because we had such

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Speaker 1: a fun visit last time and.

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Speaker 2: At awesome last time, so we had to bring you back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, dividends were paid too.

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Speaker 1: On the field because you guys are playing pretty darn well,

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Speaker 1: very nice out.

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Speaker 2: Against the Dolphins. Anyway.

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Speaker 7: Your thoughts, yeah, I would say very proud of all

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Speaker 7: those guys that I mean, you guys know the Dolphins

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Speaker 7: and Mike into it was a tall task motions fence as.

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Speaker 6: He gets the ball out.

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Speaker 7: I thought the Miko's plan was awesome, and then the

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Speaker 7: players from the D line, linebackers and then the guys

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Speaker 7: in the back end execution. I think it was probably

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Speaker 7: told us to Demiico the next day, like I felt

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Speaker 7: like as a whole like that game plan, and then

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Speaker 7: that game was probably as close as we've been for

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Speaker 7: like sixty minutes. Obviously we want a couple of those

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Speaker 7: playbacks plays back, which you always do, but I thought

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Speaker 7: that was really close.

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Speaker 6: Really proud of those guys, really good.

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Speaker 7: Team to hold them to twelve wild good effort by them.

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Speaker 7: And then the stats all over the placement. The guy

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Speaker 7: doesn't turn it over, he gets it out so fast,

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Speaker 7: he makes good decisions. I think Mike does a great

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Speaker 7: job with him. And then to come out there and

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Speaker 7: with Demko the calls and the game plan. I thought

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Speaker 7: the first play the game was telling yeah, oh yeah

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Speaker 7: he got the first one. Yeah fell when yeah, he

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Speaker 7: went to the let he went to his left, and

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Speaker 7: he went down the middle, went to the right, dumped

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Speaker 7: it out there, and then Sting shows up makes a

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Speaker 7: tackle for minus four or five whatever that was. It

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Speaker 7: was like, okay, and then it kind of continued on.

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Speaker 7: There's such a I mean the screen game out on

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Speaker 7: the perimeter, they got us a few.

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Speaker 6: Times on some of that, but yeah, really proud of

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Speaker 6: those guys.

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Speaker 7: And then to get three turnovers, like you said, really

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Speaker 7: four three with the picks and then the sacophone moll

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Speaker 7: was obviously made a huge difference in the game.

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Speaker 4: Coach, you mentioned it with Miami, with Tua and with Tyreek.

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Speaker 4: That's that's an explosive. It's a fast offense. They can

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Speaker 4: create explosive plays. Now they have been doing it at

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Speaker 4: the clip that they had in the past. But still,

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Speaker 4: you know, Achan could take catch one at seven and

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Speaker 4: take at seven.

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Speaker 2: You do all that.

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Speaker 4: You guys did such a great job of holding the

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Speaker 4: explosives in check. What was kind of the biggest thing

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Speaker 4: that you guys had to focus on to make sure

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Speaker 4: that they didn't create the fifty to sixty seven yard

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Speaker 4: explosive place.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say that could we could talk about

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Speaker 7: that for about thirty minutes. But regardless of what the

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Speaker 7: coverage or what the game plan was, and all comes

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Speaker 7: to any explosive always comes down to everybody just doing

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Speaker 7: exactly what you're supposed to do. We could take any

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Speaker 7: coverage and I could probably draw it up and be like, hey,

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Speaker 7: if they do this in this coverage. It's hard to

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Speaker 7: do that for sixty right, But I think the way

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Speaker 7: that Demico put that package together and then the way

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Speaker 7: that we practiced it and went through the week and

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Speaker 7: the and the and the guys just going out there

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Speaker 7: every day with the mindset of like, hey man, we

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Speaker 7: are we have to be on top of it, or

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Speaker 7: hence you get what you just described all down the field,

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden, there's thirty five to sit. I mean,

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Speaker 7: it can get out of hand real quick. So the

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Speaker 7: cover Spasspact really had a piece. And then I'm always

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Speaker 7: going to go back to the players, the preparation, the study,

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Speaker 7: the meetings, everything during the week, and then to be

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Speaker 7: able to go out there and execute it.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how you keep it.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully a low number, and that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Corey Andlin joining us defensive passing game coordinator

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Speaker 1: for the Texans. Let's talk about the rookies here, because

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Speaker 1: Kamari I mean to talk about what you're getting out

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Speaker 1: of him. Let's start with him, coach, because that's a

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Speaker 1: very tough spot playing outside. We had him here in studio.

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Speaker 1: We talked about, Hey, a lot of people thought when

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Speaker 1: you're drafted, you're going to be a nickel here or something,

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Speaker 1: but clearly you're not. What about his progress?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly why we drafted him. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: there's a he could He honestly could go in there

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Speaker 7: and play it. He's doing it a little bit for

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Speaker 7: us right now, just in spurts. But when you have

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Speaker 7: a play like that, then go outside line up. He

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Speaker 7: doesn't care him, man, You just some of the coverages.

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Speaker 7: Tell me what you want me to do. I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: do everything I can to the best my ability. I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna go and do it, which is if I go

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Speaker 7: back to the tape, like watching him come out, it's

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Speaker 7: like the first thing that stood out to me. I

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Speaker 7: might have said this the last time we heard I

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Speaker 7: can't remember, but this kid's like play style and mindset,

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Speaker 7: like it just jumped off the tape at you and

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Speaker 7: it was just like, Okay, this watching this kid in college,

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Speaker 7: like you everything that the Neuston Texans right now stand for,

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Speaker 7: Like that's what you saw on the tape and from

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Speaker 7: the second he got there, it has never wavered, has

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Speaker 7: never wavered. Obviously, it's ball production. I mean, it's one

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Speaker 7: of the most physical and that showed up on the tape.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes it doesn't look like that when they get to

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Speaker 7: the league, but if you watch him on the perimeter,

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Speaker 7: even on Sunday, this guy is a physical enjoys contact,

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Speaker 7: looks for opportunities to go in there and get physical

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Speaker 7: and do his deal. So he would say there's probably

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Speaker 7: things that he could clean up, just like there is

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Speaker 7: for everybody in there, But couldn't be happier with him

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Speaker 7: and where he's headed not there yet, but he's got

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Speaker 7: a great, great start.

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Speaker 2: Coach.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite plays actually a long time was

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Speaker 4: the third and five where Sting picks it off on

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Speaker 4: our sideline, the first of the two interceptions. Because everybody

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Speaker 4: that knows football looks at it and says, well, Tyreek's

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Speaker 4: in the slot and Derek Stinglely went with him.

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Speaker 2: We know that's man coverage.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in the building, the Dolphins know it, y'all know it.

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Speaker 2: It is man coverage. To one knows it.

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Speaker 4: And yet your guy came down with the ball and

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Speaker 4: made that particular play.

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Speaker 2: And I know you mentioned it and you allude to

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Speaker 2: this a lot, and that is we.

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Speaker 4: Can make all the calls we want, but the players

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Speaker 4: got to go make the plays.

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Speaker 2: But in that situation where.

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Speaker 4: Sting it is, that is one on one, it's one

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Speaker 4: of the best in the league, and Sting goes and wins.

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Speaker 4: How did you how did you kind of feel about

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Speaker 4: that moment, knowing they're going there and our guy's got

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Speaker 4: to go make a plane that he did.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, before the before they came out of the huddle.

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Speaker 7: Obviously that ball was on the I was in the

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Speaker 7: high red zone, yep, So you know you need to

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Speaker 7: stop right there of the game's about to flip. So

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Speaker 7: I would say anytime he gets lined up in man coverage,

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Speaker 7: regardless of who it is, do you feel pretty good?

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Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that just because I'm in here,

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Speaker 7: in ext you feel pretty good about that matchup. The

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Speaker 7: thing that was the most pressive about that was that route.

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Speaker 7: Like we got a bunch of names for what they

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Speaker 7: for what we call the plays, but that was basically

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Speaker 7: an outside release like he's gonna run. We call it

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Speaker 7: an inside seam or a big box fade, which that

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Speaker 7: ball would get thrown in the corner of the end zone,

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Speaker 7: which they have all over the tape with ten in

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Speaker 7: the same spot. And then instead of doing that, he

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Speaker 7: snapped it off and then ran a comeback yep, which

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Speaker 7: is prop Yeah, it is. In man coverage is probably

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Speaker 7: one of the hardest ross to cover because if you're

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Speaker 7: the nickel or you're the corner, and that guy's running

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Speaker 7: as fast as you can to the corner of the

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Speaker 7: end zone, you need to get to the corner of

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Speaker 7: the en zone. All of a sudden, he got shuts

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Speaker 7: it down, I mean, and then he actually undercuts it

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Speaker 7: and then ends up breaking it off, Like you can't

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Speaker 7: even draw that up.

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Speaker 6: Shocked for that.

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Speaker 7: It's staying no, but that play has not made very

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Speaker 7: many times. And then that obviously you ended up didn't

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Speaker 7: secure it, but that ends up changing that entire momentum

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Speaker 7: of the game. They're going in. They're gonna get points,

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Speaker 7: a huge, huge moment in the game.

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Speaker 1: One more on the rookies, Klon and Kamari. When you

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Speaker 1: look at the time of year that it is and

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Speaker 1: the so called rookie wall and all that, I guess

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Speaker 1: that by happened at a really good time for them,

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Speaker 1: because that could be Hey, that's that's just our wait

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Speaker 1: for the bowl game really and now well the college

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Speaker 1: football playoff and that's all we have a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of games here in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: How do you see that part of their game, just

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Speaker 1: having gone through all the pre draft stuff and the

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Speaker 1: rookie stuff and here they are playing the most meaningful

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Speaker 1: games of the year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there, it's almost I mean, we're creeping up on

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Speaker 7: a year from when they it's more than a year,

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Speaker 7: but they stopped playing right into the bowl game. That's

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Speaker 7: typically why you call it that because those kids you

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Speaker 7: get drafted, they don't quit from the day the bowl

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Speaker 7: game's over, it's three sixty five until they get to

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Speaker 7: their first offseason. But I would say both of them

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Speaker 7: are very impressed with I think it has a lot

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Speaker 7: to do with the culture that's year like that's not

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Speaker 7: even that's not really an option, like if you're going

656
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 7: to be out there, and both of these guys have huge,

657
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 7: huge roles on this football team, specifically obviously on the

658
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 7: defensive side, like there is none. Now, did that buy

659
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 7: help them? I'm one thousand percent it helped all of us,

660
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 7: help the coaching, so for them to just kind of

661
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 7: come back from that break and then just continue to

662
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 7: go on and do what they want. I mean, Kaylen's okay,

663
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 7: you could have had three in the game. I'm really

664
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 7: impressed with that piece of them. And again I would

665
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 7: always go back to like a the dB room, Steve

666
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 7: at a Gokey coaching Kaylin and Dino, and like the

667
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 7: room and how it's put together. Jimmy Ward, Jaln Petrie

668
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 7: does E Murray, They're not going.

669
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 6: To allow like that to even happen in there.

670
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 7: So I think there's the culture that's in specifically in

671
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 7: that room doesn't allow for that to even be a part.

672
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 7: Not saying that that makes it easier on those two,

673
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 7: but the way that they're playing, I'm glad they are

674
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 7: where they are.

675
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: Coach, you mentioned Jalen Petrie and Jimmy Ward.

676
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: Just from kind of a macro level, how have things

677
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 4: changed without having Jalen in there at the Nickel, but

678
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: then having Jimmy in there who has.

679
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: Has some experience from playing there.

680
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: How do they play that differently and how does that

681
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: maybe change things for your defense with with Jimmy in

682
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: there now?

683
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 7: For Jalen, yeah, I would say, you know the old adage,

684
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 7: like hey, next guy up type of deal. Sure, there's

685
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 7: no you can't even put a measure on how much

686
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 7: we miss obviously JP.

687
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

688
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 6: Fortunately he's still.

689
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 7: Here, he's still with us, he's in the meetings and

690
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 7: all that stuff, so we don't he didn't just absolutely disappear.

691
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 7: But I would say very fortunate a that Jimmy is

692
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 7: here because he played the same defense he played forty

693
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 7: two years in San Francisco, played the same spot, So

694
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 7: I would say that's probably fortunate. That goes to Nick

695
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 7: and Dimiko for bringing him so that when that happened.

696
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 6: And then, if you really want to go all the way.

697
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 7: Down the line, the fact that Kaylin has come so

698
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 7: far right through fourteen weeks whatever it is right now,

699
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 7: to the fact that we even have the ability to

700
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 7: take Jimmy and be like, hey man, you're we need

701
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 7: you right here, and then Kaylyn steps in e Murray's

702
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 7: back there and you never really really lost anything, which

703
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 7: is not doesn't happen very much. When you lose a

704
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 7: JP and then you don't have a Jimmy Ward type guy,

705
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 7: then you end up makes it tough. I know that injuries,

706
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 7: especially at this time of the year. In fact, your

707
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 7: team's so very fortunate that we got Jimmy, and I'd

708
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 7: say their play styles are pretty similar.

709
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 6: They both play at a very.

710
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 7: Very high level, they play full speed effort, they both tackled.

711
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 7: I mean it's actually pretty similar. H So the drop off,

712
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say, isn't that big. And I'm not taking

713
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 7: anything away from Jalen, not giving anything to Jimmy, but

714
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 7: it's been cool just to be able to be in

715
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 7: that spot. And again, I missed Jalen out there on

716
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 7: a daily basis, But we all know what the reality

717
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 7: of the thing is.

718
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: So right, Corey Unlin, defensive passing game coordinator with us.

719
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: All Right, So you have a little team known as

720
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs coming up here, and they've got

721
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: a player named Travis Kelcey, among many others. But that

722
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: makes life interesting covering him. And without giving away state

723
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: secrets here, what about the challenge of covering him because linebackers,

724
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: DB's whoever has to cover Kelsey, whether it's by committee,

725
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you do it, but if you

726
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: get to speak to his ability to make plays, he

727
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: always seems to find the wide open area.

728
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the thing that sticks out the more

729
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 7: that you watch them, And obviously it's fresh in my

730
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 7: mind right now because we've been watching them now for

731
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 7: like the week and a week and a half, but

732
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 7: the way that that offense is set up quarterback has

733
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 7: a lot to do with that. So that connection with

734
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 7: between the two of them, I don't know how many

735
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 7: years it's been, but it's been a lot. And they

736
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 7: have this ability, and Travis has this ability to like,

737
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 7: you think, like we want to call a route like

738
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: what it would really be called, but when you watch,

739
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 7: when you watch Kelse, that's not really what he should

740
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 7: be doing, and vice versa. So there's there's a everybody

741
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 7: everybody knows that, and there's a huge ad lib piece,

742
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 7: which is what makes it harder. And it makes it harder,

743
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 7: probably more so in zone covers than a does in

744
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 7: man because if you're in man covers and you're attempting

745
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 7: to cover the guy, at least you're on them. But

746
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 7: if you try to play too much zone and all

747
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 7: of a sudden, the guys sitting down in the spots

748
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 7: where you shouldn't and you're trying to disperse guys in

749
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 7: the right spot, it makes it very challenging.

750
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: So, yeah, we got our hands full there.

751
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not going to divulge into the secrets, but

752
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 7: we got our hands full there. Obviously, the guy's highly

753
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 7: skilled catches any ball that's basically in anywhere in his

754
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 7: in his frame, and then the quarterback has an uncanny

755
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 7: ability obviously to put it in spots where only he's

756
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 7: going to catch it.

757
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 6: So, yeah, we got our we we've got our hands full.

758
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: And along those lines with the quarterback with Mahomes, we've

759
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: seen quarterbacks this year that can extend place. We face

760
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: Josh Anthony Anthony Richardson twice, guys that can stend place.

761
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: Mahomes does it seemingly differently, like the place stays alive

762
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: for even longer than even some of the other quarterbacks

763
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: that we face.

764
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: So how tough does that become for your guys in

765
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: the back to say?

766
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 4: And beyond that, there would be times where it looks

767
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: like he sacked and and he gets out of it,

768
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, man gets sacked, I stopped playing

769
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: and he throws it.

770
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: How tough is that aspect coaching?

771
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 7: That's really tough. I mean we talked about that plaster.

772
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 7: We use the term plaster like the play is usually over,

773
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 7: they've run their route and then the ball's not been thrown,

774
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 7: So you need to find somebody. If you're in the zone,

775
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 7: you need to get attached to somebody, right, and then

776
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 7: you got to cover them as long as he's got

777
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 7: the ball. And then you got to deal with him

778
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 7: running out of the line of scrimmage, which he does a lot.

779
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 7: And if you come out of coverage, he flips it

780
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 7: behind his back or whatever you're gonna do sideways and

781
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 7: flips it to somebody that's open. So that's always a piece.

782
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 7: And I would say the difference, and it's really a difference,

783
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 7: but his ability to stand in the pocket longer than

784
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 7: a lot of quarterbacks. A lot of quarterbacks will take

785
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 7: a look and if it's not there, then their first

786
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 7: decision is to just start running. Yeah, well he's going

787
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 7: to stand back there as long as you can. Now

788
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 7: once he gets to the point where there's nobody open.

789
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So then that goes.

790
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 7: Back to the d line, like making sure him and

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 7: you are, whether you're rushing four.

792
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 6: Or five, that you've got to do.

793
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 7: That's Rod, right, Yeah, that's Rod's that's I got my

794
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 7: own problems.

795
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 6: That's why.

796
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 7: Right, I'm sure that that guy stays in the pocket.

797
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's always a challenge on any of those guys,

798
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 7: and especially with him. I mean, you can make a

799
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 7: highlight tape of this guy throwing a ball late in

800
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 7: the down yep with somebody on him, falling down one leg,

801
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 7: hopping up, throwing it twenty I think we did.

802
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 6: The one last night he threw.

803
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly who it was against, but it

804
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 7: was like third and twelve and he ends up in

805
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 7: the pocket, he doesn't get out, and he ends up

806
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 7: throwing it at like fifteen twenty five yards down the

807
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 7: field and the guys just stand there in the middle

808
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 7: wide open. So yeah, not the funnest aspect of playing

809
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 7: this cat. Absolutely, yeah, we be on it.

810
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: Buy one more for you. I'm not going to ask

811
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: you if you're a Taylor Swift fan, but I will

812
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: ask you. I can send you to any concert in

813
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: any era of any band that you like.

814
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 7: What are you picking? That's easy for me, Okay, let's go. Yeah,

815
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 7: I would go. I would go right back to the seventies.

816
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 7: And if I could see anybody, I mean, there's a

817
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: I got a list, but the first guy on the

818
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 7: list is Bob.

819
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Marley, Okay, in the seventies. Very nice. Yes, I am.

820
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 7: I am not an expert, but I'm but I am

821
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 7: in my entire family is just stand first message and

822
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 7: everything that he sings about.

823
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: So, yeah, I would. It's not even a question. It's

824
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 6: not a question.

825
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 7: I could give you eight more that I would love

826
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 7: to see if you said you get one, I'm going

827
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 7: to I'm going to Hopetown.

828
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That's a good one.

829
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: That is an excellent one. Last one for me. We

830
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: won't get a chance to talk to you before before Christmas.

831
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: Christmas dinner. The one thing you've got to have, the

832
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: one thing that a lot of people have that you

833
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 4: said you could kick it to the curb, the one

834
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: you gotta have.

835
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 5: This is basically a reboot of the Thanksgiving.

836
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: Question, but it's one I gotta have, the one you

837
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: got to get rid of it.

838
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 6: I'm with you, big barber, you guy.

839
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 7: Okay, So for the last I don't know how many years,

840
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 7: six or seven. I think it's kind of a staple

841
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 7: which i'd never really did before I got into the barbecue.

842
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 7: Piece was there's gonna be a smoked ham on the table, Okay,

843
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 7: either a maple glaze or some kind of a glaze

844
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 7: on it. Yeah, it'll be on the smoker for at

845
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 7: least two and a half hours. I mean, it's a

846
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 7: vital ham Yeah, yeah, okay, and then my favorite part

847
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 7: about that piece is then for the next week, you

848
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 7: just get the Hawaiian rolls, right, you get the box

849
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 7: and you just put on there with yeah, and you

850
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 7: want very nice.

851
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: It's a better breakfast, lunch, dinner.

852
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: It could be anything. We used the turkey. Really, I'd

853
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: rather have those hams.

854
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: So how do you do the ham on a smoker?

855
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 6: Yes?

856
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: Nice?

857
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

858
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: What are you kick into the curb?

859
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 8: Well?

860
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 5: What's traditional Christmas thanksgivings?

861
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: Easy?

862
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 7: Like the Yeah, I'm going to Christmas vacation.

863
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: That was a goose?

864
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 6: That was a goose?

865
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: Right?

866
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 6: Was it a goose?

867
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 2: People eat? I'm not eating cat.

868
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: That's good coach, thanks a lot, good luck, got it,

869
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it all right. There's defensive Passing Game coordinator and

870
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: dB coach Corey Undlin coming up.

871
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: What's the injury situation? What's your injury situation? Mahomes with

872
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 5: the ankle.

873
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk to a Houston Methodist doctor about ankle injuries,

874
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: at achilles tendon injuries as well. That and other things

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Speaker 1: coming up here on Texans All Access. Here we go

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Speaker 1: with the final segment on tonight's Texans All Access program.

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Speaker 1: With the injury report, and it's really the final full

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Speaker 1: injury report of the week, being a game week Friday,

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Speaker 1: even though it's Thursday. Don't get me started, but we

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Speaker 1: have the game status updates for your Texans and did

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Speaker 1: not participate in practice.

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Speaker 5: Let's just get you to the game status here.

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Speaker 2: Fully.

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Speaker 1: Fanacasi is out with an ankle, John Metchi is out

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Speaker 1: with a shoulder, Juice Scrugs out with the foot injury.

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Speaker 1: Cad Stover out with the illness which is the appendectomy

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Speaker 1: that he suffered through last weekend. Now Christian Harris shows

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Speaker 1: up on the injury report, did not participate in practice

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Speaker 1: with an ankle injury. He is listed as questionable. He

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Speaker 1: was not on the injury report at all yesterday, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know when this occurred, but clearly it's a

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Speaker 1: big question and the team if somebody doesn't travel with

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Speaker 1: the team to Kansas City, and you think they might

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Speaker 1: like if a player is questionable doesn't travel, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get update tomorrow, all right, So they'll update that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: If there's no update, he's still questionable going into the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs game on Saturday. Joe Mixon no injury designation. That's good.

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Speaker 1: News because he was limited with an ankle, but they

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Speaker 1: do not list him as out, questionable, probable, likely, maybe, could,

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Speaker 1: should whatever. He has no designation, so that means Joe

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Speaker 1: is probably gonna play against the Chiefs and full participation today.

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Speaker 1: Nick Broker, Kenyon Green, Davis Mills, del Sean Phillips. Those

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Speaker 1: guys are all going to go for the Chiefs. Anything interesting, well,

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Speaker 1: Jamari Connor out with a concussion, he won't play. DJ

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Speaker 1: Humphreys tackle, will not play. He has a hams during.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else went full, including Patrick Mahomes with the ankle.

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Speaker 1: He's been full participation all week. And speaking of mahomes ankle,

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Speaker 1: let's get into this a little bit with doctor Larry

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Speaker 1: Baya of Houston Methodist. We'll talk ankle, we'll talk achilles.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Doctor, how's it.

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Speaker 2: Going going well?

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming back on. And I know we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about achilles injuries, but I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about high ankle sprains for a moment.

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Speaker 2: We visited about this earlier in the season.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes has one, and I know that various athletes have

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Speaker 1: these from time to time. They reoccur if you will.

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Speaker 1: Can you just go over a little bit on ankle

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Speaker 1: sprains and how sometimes when you get one, do the

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Speaker 1: ligaments stretch or whatever and maybe have a quicker comeback

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Speaker 1: than folks who are just doing it for the first time.

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Speaker 1: How does all that work?

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Speaker 2: Doctor, Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 8: So there's various types, as we discussed at our last visit.

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Speaker 8: The lateral ankle sprain, which is more of like the

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Speaker 8: lower ankle with the ATFL, CFL and PTFL is common,

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Speaker 8: and then the AI TfL or the syindismosis, which is

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Speaker 8: a bad high ankle sprain, or a couple of other

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Speaker 8: structures that can be injured. Quantifying which one is injured

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Speaker 8: in the severity you can do clinically or you can

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Speaker 8: do with an MRI. People will often have recurrence when

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Speaker 8: they don't necessarily rehab and so those ligaments don't come

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Speaker 8: back after being stretched or sprained, whatever terminology would like

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Speaker 8: to use.

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Speaker 3: And if you.

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Speaker 8: Don't do the appropriate rehab and provide a mobilization for

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Speaker 8: the ankle joint, they won't come back to or as

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Speaker 8: close to their original form, and so that's where the

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Speaker 8: recurrence comes from, along with the lack of strength that

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Speaker 8: surrounds the ankle and specifically lateral ankle the peronial tendon.

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Speaker 8: If there is weakness in the perennial tendon and your

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Speaker 8: proper reception is limited, that's where you'll see athletes who

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Speaker 8: will have an ankle sprain, particularly high that may come back.

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Speaker 8: You know, basketball happens or like my homes and it

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Speaker 8: kind of lingers throughout the season. It's a hard injury

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Speaker 8: to manage in season. It's a much easier injury to

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Speaker 8: manage when you have time any of the ability to

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Speaker 8: stay off of it. But you know, in the NFL,

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Speaker 8: just like college football, you're going every week and sometimes

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Speaker 8: you get a short break if you're playing Monday night

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Speaker 8: football and then you got to turn around and play

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Speaker 8: you know, Saturday, Sunday, depending on the time of the

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Speaker 8: season or you know, thinking about time, you don't always

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Speaker 8: have a couple of weeks to let it yield, and

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Speaker 8: they take longer. So four to six weeks is what

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Speaker 8: I tell everybody should be a normal expectation. Sometimes it

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Speaker 8: will be less sometimes more. Y're a pro than your

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Speaker 8: job is to work out and get healthy and salety,

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Speaker 8: so they have a little bit more time to dedicate.

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Speaker 8: So they'll tend to get better quicker.

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Speaker 1: We are running out of a show, so we'll talk

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Speaker 1: Achilles next week with doctor Larry Baya of Houston Methodists,

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Speaker 1: the official healthcare provider of the Houston Texans, Houston Methodist

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Speaker 1: leading Medicine, and that's going to do it for tonight,

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Speaker 1: full three hour program on Friday night to get you

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Speaker 1: ready for the Chiefs and the Texans Saturday. I know

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Speaker 1: it just feels weird to be playing on a Saturday,

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Speaker 1: but that's the situation and it's going to be so

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Speaker 1: great to be up at Arrowhead Stadium live at nine

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Speaker 1: am with Texans Countdown presented by Medelo Especiallyal with Sean

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Speaker 1: Pendergast and Seth Payne. So get ready for it Saturday

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Speaker 1: at nine, kickoff at noon. Let's go have a great

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Speaker 1: night everyone. Thursday Night football coming up on Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: six ten. Unless you're listening to this on a podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate that as well, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Go Texans.