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Speaker 1: You're wrappering up podcast, Ellie Wilson. Be that what's up? Baby?

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Speaker 1: A thing good? I gotta first of all before we

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Speaker 1: can get to the rapper of podcast, which we know

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Speaker 1: is the most important podcast in the world. Man, I

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Speaker 1: want to salute you man. You're doing you think of

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Speaker 1: that Complex man, Complex brackets man, talk to the people, baby, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Complex Brackets. Every Wednesday, twelve pm Eastern. We just knocked

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Speaker 1: one out with Joe Button. This week. We have a

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Speaker 1: new episode called Cherry and we picked up Blog Mixtape

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Speaker 1: back to O'll go old rap right all days now.

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Speaker 1: But you got Joe Button back in the building? Man,

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Speaker 1: what how did you pull that off? Ben? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just asked to come on the shoulder. He was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Button back in the hot seat, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I never thought it would have happened, but you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes all you have to do is ask. Closed mouths

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Speaker 1: our classic Rap Rtorum podcast episodes came up Drake obviously,

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Speaker 1: which was the game changer. Yeah, that team. You know,

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Speaker 1: Drake dennounced he's doing his show in New York. I

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Speaker 1: he shows, even though he's on stage for almost like

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Speaker 1: that don't know when we say B sides, it's just

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the singles, but something like Cameras Off Take Care. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: come if he comes out the Tuscan Leavel like imagine,

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Speaker 1: from Nothing was the same album, which to entry everybody loves.

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Speaker 1: But do you think that I saw people speculate We

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know, and honestly I don't want

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Speaker 1: I think that people may not know they they may know,

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Speaker 1: People feel like you're supposed to deliver the big interviews. Man,

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Speaker 1: him that Jimmie Foxx moment. They want Kendrick, They wanted

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Speaker 1: I'm ecstatic. Yeah, I feel like a dream. I'll just

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Speaker 1: So I think that's pretty cool. That's insane. And they

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Speaker 1: you call him the finisher. Why he's the finisher man? Look,

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Speaker 1: but by trying to finish it too quick, so it

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00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 1: might start off super strong, and then by the end

425
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 1: of the session, when I'm all burnt out, it ends

426
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 1: up being some bullshit. So you know, I feel like

427
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 1: I get my freshest ideas when I bring in a

428
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: fresh out of ears and I might come through it.

429
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 1: Finished that ship with a quickness. It makes me feel

430
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 1: like I might even gonna hold you. The first time

431
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: that should happened, I was like, damn, I need to

432
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board. I was like maybe

433
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,159
Speaker 1: twenty when I first met Dream and we locked in

434
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 1: the studio, so it's it's been years. I was working

435
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,439
Speaker 1: with Bro and like he put up to the studio,

436
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 1: Bro some ship that I have been stuck on working on,

437
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: and he come to the studio and he finished that

438
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 1: motherfucking like thirty seconds type ship, Like going and do

439
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 1: put up the next one? Put the next one, put

440
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 1: the next one. I'm like, they're good making me look

441
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: crazy out here because you're a great rid of yourself, Like,

442
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 1: does it put you a lot of a lot of

443
00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,160
Speaker 1: people don't know that the world was in fl once

444
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 1: about the sessions that I had been doing with him,

445
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 1: because I I had we had been working together before

446
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 1: that project even came out. So he was the one

447
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 1: that really showed me like, when you get on the record,

448
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 1: you could just say whatever the funk you want, so

449
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 1: fun the world wouldn't happened had I not been working

450
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: with Dream prior to that. So that's like where a

451
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: lot of the shift happened in my music and where

452
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: where I write music from. So there's like no ego.

453
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: You let him do his thing, even though if it's

454
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: your own creation. Yeah, hell yeah. But that showed me

455
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: I don't gotta think too much. I came into the

456
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: music thinking that I was trying to find some hit

457
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: formula or find some way of doing it. Um, that's

458
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: what everybody teaches. You gotta find some forming that, you

459
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: gotta find some way record, you gotta have some structure,

460
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: you gotta So it took me getting into the studio

461
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 1: with somebody who got hit records that you know, has

462
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: that massive catalog to tell me you're thinking to that much.

463
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 1: You know how many songs on the new album, it's

464
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: like four or five songs. I think he can five

465
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: of them, like four or five. Was that a key

466
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: moment where on the album that his contribution helped bring

467
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: a song along? It sticks out in your mind? Uh,

468
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: rolling Stone, bad Luck? Um, it's quite a few, yeah,

469
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: ghetto Gas. Yeah. You also give a lot of props

470
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: to another producer, Jordan where al read that you said

471
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,959
Speaker 1: he's responsible for constructing the sounds. That's that's my brother man.

472
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: I've known Jordan's for years, like since I was nineteen eighteen,

473
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm knowing Jordan's. We got music together, like hell

474
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: of stuff didn't come out, but during the pandemic, like

475
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: we were sending ideas back and forth because I was

476
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: in the studio and something about them strings was just

477
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: pulling me. Bro I'm like, this is moving me. What

478
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: is it about these strings? It's just like I don't know,

479
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: It's just it's bringing the lyrics out. Because like people

480
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: could send ideas do like all day every day, like

481
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: whether it be guitar loops or or or or piano loops.

482
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: Because I like to work very minimalistic. I don't like

483
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: to record on full beats, like just sending me a

484
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: loop and I'll write the whole song and we can

485
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: produce it out afterwards. And um, he would send me

486
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: these string loops and for whatever it was, it was

487
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,479
Speaker 1: like that's how I was feeling at his own, So

488
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: I just it was the only thing that made me

489
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: like right, I had real bad writers block for a

490
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: little bit, and he was sending them strings and it's

491
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: like the words would just come out. So like we

492
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: and we locked in and got damn everything done the

493
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: whole album pretty much. How long did it take to

494
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: construct this album? M I said, like a good two years?

495
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: Two years? Wow, good to years if we're including the

496
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: records and they drop prior to them and working on

497
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: those records as well, like a good two years I

498
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: have recorded. There are songs that I recorded before the

499
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: records released that you know what I'm saying, that I

500
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: had already had set aside for the album. Ghetto Gas

501
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: and Loose Change. These records were recorded before gravity and

502
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: wasting time and all that, but the other ones just

503
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: came out first. I just put them to the side. Okay,

504
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: Now you begin the album with Georgia Smith on Villain's team, Like,

505
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: why do you think she was the right voice for

506
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: that song? That's the home? I don't George forever um,

507
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: but these just conversations we have a lot, you know.

508
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean I was curious if it like she serves

509
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: as your conscious before the album begins. Yeah, it's the

510
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: it's the it's the back and forth, right the That's

511
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: why I got to pitch down vocals, pitched up vocals,

512
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: the just that that back and forth. I kind of

513
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: approached it with how things sound in my head sometimes

514
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: when you're having multiple conversations or it's multiple people speaking

515
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: to you, it's multiple like voices or ideas to the

516
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: point where like it just comes out like so, I

517
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: feel like that was my perfect way of I guess

518
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: trying to sonically um display like how shit sounded my mom.

519
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: In the conversation, you discussed the word toxic and you're

520
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: saying that's just a Twitter word. Do you feel like

521
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: everything is just categorized as toxic nowadays? But I'll be

522
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: so tired of hearing that don't work talking about something else.

523
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm toxic now. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm toxic out,

524
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Like do you hate when people label your music. That

525
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: does it offend you? Um? No, I mean it used to.

526
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: Like when I first heard that ship, I was just

527
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: kind of like what because that was never that was

528
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: never the intention. Imagine You're just writing records that come

529
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: from your heart, and motherfucker's deemed you with like toxic

530
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. You're like, damn that that hurts

531
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, Like what the funk? I was just

532
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: keeping it real like, but now I don't really take

533
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: it like that In your mind? Is really more about honesty,

534
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: right is that? Is that like your strongest trade? And

535
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: you absolutely, I just I just want to write from

536
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: a real place. I don't want to sugarcoat nothing nor

537
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: lie just because I'm singing it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

538
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it ain't I don't want to. I've

539
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: done that, you know what I'm saying about this, this

540
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: and um the last thing I want. And I thought

541
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: about this early on when I did a lot of

542
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: touring and started meeting fans for the first time. Um,

543
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: you write records with a certain formula in mind, on

544
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: a certain perspective, because that's all you know in the beginning, right,

545
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: So if you learn like you you sing, this is

546
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,239
Speaker 1: R and B music. You make love records, you do

547
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: verse hook, verse, hook bridge, you feel me hook, and

548
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: then you finish the record, and then that's what you're going.

549
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You go, boys to man,

550
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: you go, and that's just what it is. But I

551
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: grew up like listening to rap music, So because I

552
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: grew up listening to hip hop, I love the way

553
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: R and B sounded sonically, but when it came to perspective,

554
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to it for like like like two

555
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: for relatability, you know what I'm saying. I didn't listen

556
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: to R and B music for like perspective or relatability

557
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: or some way of living my life too. I listened

558
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: to rap for that ship. So I felt like, to me,

559
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: that's what R and B was missing, was just perspective.

560
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't like just listening to records that sounds good

561
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: where it's just words. I like to be able to

562
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: people whole narrative and find some some opinions about it

563
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: or something just something. There's got to be some dialogue

564
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: that's had, so um, I think that's what That's what

565
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: I've kind of like just honed in on is just

566
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: making sure that the music has perspective versus it just

567
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: being some ship that you sing just because you're saying

568
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: people want you to sing sweet nothing, you know what

569
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean? Literally like just sing some sweet ship into

570
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: my ear and that's all I want to hear. But

571
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: I feel like some ship gotta have some perspective, and

572
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: I think that's what separates my music. It's funny because

573
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: today Puffy tweet out something like who killed R and B?

574
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: And it's always seems like a conversation around, you know,

575
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: challenging the state of R and B, Like is is

576
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: what you know going on now? Meet the standards of

577
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: the past, of the nineties and the two thousands and

578
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: stuff like, I mean, people are so stuck in that

579
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: classic you know, uh R and B, R and B MO,

580
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 1: R and B trump that it's like, um, there's people

581
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: that wouldn't classify me as R and B honist. There's

582
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: people that's like that ain't R and B. That ain't

583
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: what I know. And if that's the case, and I

584
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: guess not. You know what I'm saying, I personally don't

585
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: live and die by no damn genre. You know what

586
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't like I don't think like this

587
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: is what this is. Like, I really don't care if

588
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: you think it's R and B music cool, if you

589
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's RB music cool, Like I don't give

590
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: a ship like that. I'll just be making music. Um,

591
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: people love it, you know the ship honest, I don't

592
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: know what to tell you what the songbo Do you

593
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: think that sometimes people because there is a lot of

594
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, just some a lot of stuff that may

595
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: not be have a lot of substance to it, that

596
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: some of the stuff with substance, like yourself, gets overlooked

597
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: because we look at this newer generation that it's not

598
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: the same as the past. Um. Hell yeah. But that's

599
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: with any genre. That's just music period. That's that's evolution.

600
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: Right since the beginning of time. There's people that have

601
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: been used to music that's been a certain way. Then

602
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: some new ship come out. Then the older motherfucker's hated,

603
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: the young motherfucker's love it, and just go on and

604
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: on like it kind of pitches me off. The motherfucker's

605
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: are still doing this ship, Like we all know what's

606
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen. This new ship that everybody hate right now,

607
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna take over the world. Then everybody's gonna get

608
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: super attached to it, and it's the whole other ship

609
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna come out. It's gonna take over the world. But

610
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: the last thing I'm gonna do is be the old

611
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: mother fucker that's gonna look at some you niggers and

612
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: be like, man, this ship garbage. You know what I'm saying.

613
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I find that like, uh uh,

614
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I think my fucker's gonna just have more foresight, you know.

615
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think just keep your ears open, keep

616
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: your eyes open, just like look for some new ship.

617
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for some new ship. I was gonna

618
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: say that there are other other peers that you feel

619
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: like maybe those type of people are overlooking and may

620
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: not recognizing the levels of town like someone like yourself

621
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: or the other artists that come to mind that UM

622
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: in different in different spaces because I'm like, I'm not

623
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: like a super r and b hait Um. I gotta

624
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: make arms Its ironic, I make army music. But I

625
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: mostly listened to like wrapping ship like that, UM and

626
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's what that's what my ships sounds

627
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: like you do. I probably should listen to more R

628
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: and B music, hip hop influences. Um I was listening

629
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: to everybody a lot of pop Um snow I like

630
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: G Funk, a lot so like Snoop, Dass, Drain Ship.

631
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Um I like, um, I was a super hip hop

632
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I were on a lot

633
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: of Tribe, a lot of um Lauren Hill. Um. Just

634
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: I was a super hip hop like I was a

635
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: backpack like all of that ship. But I love hip

636
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: hop like I love rap music that was like what

637
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I grew up on type ship. Are the artists today

638
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: that you that you checked for um current Landscape? Yeah,

639
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: my home team Brotray Money, Yeah, all day, every day,

640
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: like one of the best riders I've ever worked in

641
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: my life. JUNI home team Background the Way. And it's

642
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of artis from different spots. Tony Snowy from Atlanta,

643
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: um I like Lucky from Chicago. Like, uh, A lot

644
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: of rappers. Man, Have you got into connected link with

645
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: some of your hip hop heros that you grew up

646
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: listening to at this point? Yeah, I just I don't

647
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: even remember, but I swear I met everybody where I

648
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: met everybody. But you don't really do a lot of it,

649
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: like you sneak a little bars in there, but you

650
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: don't really do like the full scale rapping and stuff

651
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: like that. You feel like that's not really as much

652
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: as I enjoy it. I know, you know, my my, my,

653
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: my name and my my limitations. I ain't about to

654
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: start rapping. But I like it though, right. I know

655
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: someone else you really likes, Alicia Keys. I read that

656
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: you grew up listening to her and you have a

657
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: ghetto gaspy and you said you wanted her to sound

658
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: like you don't know my name? Was that the tone

659
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: that you wanted? Yeah? Why did you want that kind

660
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: of tone for that? Um? I just always thought it

661
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: was It was smooth, you know what I mean? It

662
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: was cool. She got a cool tone like her speaking boys.

663
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put it on the record. I'm like, man,

664
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: you needed you wrapping something? Yeah? And she wrote that

665
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: all herself? Or was that I wrote it? I wrote it? Okay,

666
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I wrote it. I played it for I was like, um,

667
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I had cut the reference, so I had recorded all

668
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: it like when me rapping on it, and then I

669
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: was like, let me know if you want to wrap this,

670
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: and she was just like, yeah, let's do it. Okay,

671
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: what is ghetto gaspy? Like, do you feel like your

672
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: life parallels the movie Great Gatsby? Absolutely? Man, I've put

673
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot from that fam. I watched it so many times.

674
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Um old sport for REALM. I like the I like

675
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he that he um that he kind

676
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: of wasn't supposed to be there, you know what I'm saying,

677
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Like he kind of moves in these spaces that he

678
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be in, but it's like would own

679
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: the space? You feel me like? I like that was

680
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: hard to me, and it was really and it was

681
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: I thought the funt Department. That was hilarious to me

682
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: was the fact that it was offer some long lost

683
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: love and ship like that. I thought that was funny

684
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: as hell. Maybe you guys was not funny, but I

685
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: thought that ship was funny as hell. So I don't know.

686
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was flying man. But I think it

687
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: touched on fame as well. You know, when you got

688
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: like famous status and cloud and stuff like that, everybody

689
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: wouldnt be around and he died alone another hip hop thing.

690
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask this baby keen lost souls man?

691
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's my boy. Yeah he was he was

692
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: late giving adversity to make the album because of that, Yeah,

693
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: I'll be just I don't know, I'd just be bullshit.

694
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even go hold I'm a super procrastinate. I

695
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: went in the studio a million times and tried to

696
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: cut something and it just ain't coming it was supposed to.

697
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: Then I went to New York for a fashion week

698
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: and I recorded the verse the same time he did

699
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: the album listening, and so I sent it to him,

700
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: like right what he was playing the album the last

701
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: dream right fans were out, and so they put that

702
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: on there. That's my little brother. One of the records

703
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: that stood out to me too, is like you mentioned

704
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. It feels like that's like the most vulnerable

705
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: record on the album. Like in the first verse you

706
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: admit to you still got demons from your younger days

707
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: and you wish they could shake them off, but they

708
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: follow you, Like what are some of those demons that

709
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: you just can't shake? Um um. I don't want to

710
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: go into that, Okay, okay, But they are also moments

711
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: of self deprecation like richest fucking I'm nothing at the

712
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: same time, like what does that mean like for me?

713
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: Like when I wrote it, it was just like being

714
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: everything enough and being hit in love kind of like

715
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: the m I m everything you said I am type

716
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: of thing, you know that, like like I am with

717
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I think that's tricky about like human

718
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: nature is that like we are who we are, but

719
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: we are we are also what everyone thinks of us, right,

720
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: So it's like you you you know yourself, you know

721
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: who you are, you know like internally and but also

722
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, um, you are literally what people

723
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: say about you mm hmm, like quite literally, like from

724
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: your closest friends to your family to how people speak

725
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: on your character. You're like so to an extent you

726
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: can't give a funk with nobody think about you that

727
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you have to give a funk what people think about you.

728
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like it's just that that

729
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: that catch twenty two, like I'm everything enough and I'm this,

730
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm good or I'm bad. Let's just

731
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: it's just being everything, being everything and nothing even the

732
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: price of fame, you see, like I can't fake a

733
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: smile like to me or something like you was like

734
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: you're moving in this business and you're growing, but I

735
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: feel like you you're not definitely not trying to play

736
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: the industry game and the way certain things happen, and

737
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: like it must be a challenge to be a real

738
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: one and kind of maneuver through this business. Um it's

739
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: it's like, um if I started thinking or something, but like,

740
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's tricky. Man. I've never been one

741
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: of them, and I kind of wish I was. I

742
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: feel like i'd be I'd be like, I'd be way

743
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: bigger if I could, right, if I was one of

744
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: my fucker's that could like act like and I'm not

745
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: talking about act like Brad Pitt movie act. I'm talking

746
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: about like real life act. Like you go to fashion

747
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Week and she's like, I'm gonna give a perfect example.

748
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: That ship sucked me up the first time I've seen it. Right,

749
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: you go to fashion Week and somebody famous whoever, they

750
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: see their friends, right, and this this ship trip I

751
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: don't know if it tripped you out the first time

752
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: you see this ship, but it sucked me up. So

753
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: like there's a camera right here, right, this person and

754
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: that person know that that cameras right there, but they

755
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: got to act like the camera's not there and give

756
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: each other this huge, big, warm embracing smile and hug

757
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: because they know the camera gonna catch it. That ship

758
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: fuck me up, bro. I was like, you're telling me

759
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: all y'all motherfucking see these cameras around and all of

760
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: y'all are putting on performances like in real, real life,

761
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: in real time. That ship tripped me out. BRO. I

762
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: was like, this ship is the fucking Maketrix for real.

763
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I should not be here, bro, Like

764
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm really, I'm literally I'm seeing my fucker's act in

765
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: real time like the Brothers. But like, that's what I'm

766
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: saying that most fuckers will do the most. That's why

767
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I can't fake a smile, like since I was a kid,

768
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, they say small for pictures. I'm like,

769
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you gotta tell me a joke or something, bro, Like

770
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't fake it. So it's very difficult.

771
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: It's very different that, right. No, even like that we

772
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, we talked about you your people

773
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: is about you know, doing this and you know you're

774
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: a real one. You like, let's have dinner, Let's let's

775
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: check the vibe, because right I committed something like that.

776
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I like to get to know people, man, and you

777
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: know when it when it ain't the cameras and s around,

778
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's when you get the real real.

779
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: But then in some situations don't even get that type.

780
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Ship like some of my fucker's is constantly like super

781
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: in performative mode. And I realized that with like an

782
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: entertainment like, there's a lot of people that aren't constantly

783
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: consistently in performative mode. Like I'm like, brain even know

784
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: cameras around one and you're like, ship somebody my post

785
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: phone out of any man for real. But it's not

786
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Also why you're so proud of being independent and you

787
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: know in the path you've made this way of being independent. Yeah,

788
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: for for a while because I didn't, I didn't. I

789
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: didn't really know much about you know, the independent music

790
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: ground or what that, what that men are, what it entailed.

791
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I just knew that like, um, this is the route

792
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: that my people say is the smartest thing to do.

793
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I didn't come into the ship knowing business. So I

794
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: was just like I'm listening to my team who I trust,

795
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, bro, we should go this route. So

796
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm like cool, am I just for a little bit

797
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: there was even times where I thought tooth and nail, like, man,

798
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be this, I

799
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: want this now, I want that, And I was thinking

800
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: that that would do it for me without even you know,

801
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: really thinking that there's people that are signed to labels

802
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: that that never got successful. Like they don't talk about

803
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: all the people that signed to major labels who never

804
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: got successful. You can't even get the record out. They don't.

805
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: They don't speak about it. They speak when they talk

806
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: about the independent rind versus the the major label ground.

807
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: They love to talk about the people that are huge

808
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: success stories have been signed, but most people who signed

809
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: to labels do not make it out. That's just facts.

810
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Most of the most of the motherfucker's with them label signed.

811
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: It's just ship don't work. So I started looking at

812
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: it from that perspective. I'm like, yeah, that's facts. UM.

813
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: But for a while I thought that UM. Then UM

814
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: the independent ground was was a UM like a business model,

815
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: or it was UM a way of going about handling

816
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: your business or or or music or or marketing. But

817
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: it's really a mindset, you know what I mean. I'm

818
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: starting to see that the independent model was really like UM,

819
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I like doing what I want to do, and I like, UM,

820
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: I like being able to to move in a way

821
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: that that um that allows me to preserve like my

822
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: life fem like I can stay private when I want,

823
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: I can step out when I want, I can do

824
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: what I want to do. And I feel like when

825
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: you're in that in that rat race, and you have

826
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: these obligations and you've got this this this machine behind you,

827
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: pushing you, pushing you, pushing you, pushing you to give

828
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: so much of yourself, you're gonna lose yourself in the process.

829
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: So I find that, aside from the business and the

830
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: percentages and all that ship, being independent allows me to

831
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: move in my own pace and give my fucker's what

832
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: I want to give them, and not give them what

833
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to give him. And independent grind is

834
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: real tough, and it's also rewarding. Whether ever, ever moments

835
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: where you felt discouraged, like this is not gonna, you know,

836
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: come to fruition the way you wanted to. Yeah, but

837
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: only because I didn't know no better. It was a

838
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: time where I thought that everybody had money except me,

839
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: like like every new artist, I guess, but I thought

840
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: that I thought everybody had money, and I didn't have

841
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: no money like I would see my fucker's do these

842
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: music video shoots, and my fucker's got chains and cards

843
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: and all types of ship and I'm in a one

844
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: betroom apartment with folk my fucker's femin So there was

845
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: a time where I was really thinking, bro, why everybody

846
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: got money and I don't got no money? Is it

847
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: because I'm independent? Now? The truth is everybody didn't have

848
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: no money like it was everybody. There's a lot of

849
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: my funcker's that didn't have no their money, but you

850
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: know they don't. They don't tell you that because the

851
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: label job is to make it look like you've got

852
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: some money. Stuff right there. We're gonna give you the car,

853
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you the co signs we can give,

854
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna put your studio with this motherfucker. We're gonna

855
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: have cameras flowing around everywhere you go. And I didn't.

856
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have that, you know what I'm saying. So

857
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, damn, everybody getting money but me?

858
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: But now everybody everybody looked like they got money, you

859
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I was gonna say, how

860
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: do you define success at this point, then, Man, I've

861
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: never you know, I've never pulled woodrobe for a magazine shoot.

862
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Just shot g the other day. I just go out

863
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: and buy clothes. My closet is nuts, for real, Like

864
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: it's actually fucking ridiculous. Like my closet is nuts. My

865
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: motherucker just sent it for free, and I just get

866
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: free clothes and free whatever. You know what I'm saying,

867
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Like to me, like, that's what independence looks like. Like, mother,

868
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: you see me wearing the chain, that's my chain, you

869
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You see me wearing some you

870
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: see me wearing some ship a fit that costs a

871
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, that's my ship. Right, So I like,

872
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't really fake the funk,

873
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So how did they? But

874
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: you probably still be more independent with this last project

875
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: you paired with Troy Carter's company. You talk about that

876
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: partnership and um why that was important, Umm, the homies,

877
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: But really really just like on some on some marketing

878
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: like digital marketing and ship like that, so that that

879
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: that was really some ship that that came up from

880
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: like my job. I had been on him niggers, But

881
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: they they're like older guys in the in the in

882
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: the business that see yeah, and that's seeing how we

883
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: was moving and seeing how we did an independence and

884
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: it was like, bro, like we wanna we want to

885
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: help y'all. We want to see how y'all ship can

886
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: go further. So just on some like, man, we have

887
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: industry knowledge. We've been doing this for a while. Um,

888
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: let me tap in with the with these young niggas

889
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: who's doing their shoot on their own and see how

890
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: we can continue to compete against this major label system.

891
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean because that people just say

892
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: it was is that you still really independent, because if

893
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: you got these industry connections, that why you had a

894
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: big first week the way you did. Some you know,

895
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: some people are speculating it's actually kind of funny because

896
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: that's I've been hearing that and that's something that I

897
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: don't even really know how to defend. I'm gonna be

898
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: honest with you. That's like me walking up to you

899
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: and be like, are you a black man? Like? What

900
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: the funk do? I like, uh, Like what I'm going

901
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: to say? Nothing, No, you're not. And I'm like, yeah,

902
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what to tell you. But I

903
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: think for anybody that wants to get in the business

904
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: and once their business to grow, they got to know

905
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: that strategic marketing is necessary. Right. So if even if

906
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: you own a mom and pop spot, or you um

907
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: or you or you gotta shoot store or whatever, you

908
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: hire you hire people to market your your product from

909
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: people that don't know what what that is. That's getting

910
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: maximum visibility, right, So somebody's marketing your ship. You want

911
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: your ship to be everywhere. I want everybody to see me.

912
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: I want mother fucker's to think that got that this

913
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: is foot locker. You want a mom and pop shoe store,

914
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: you want motherfucker's to compete with foot locker, Like this

915
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: is what the funk I want to be. So you

916
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: hire strategic marketing team, you hire digital marketing, you hire

917
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: people that can make sure your ship has seen everywhere

918
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: you go. And that's what we did. That's what I

919
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: did with this project. Like everybody would make that move

920
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: was no, hell no, I'm like so independently, I'm like, ship,

921
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: We're doing this all on our own. We have the

922
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: we we have the budget to be able to afford

923
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: the best of the best people would experience because of

924
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the money that we made off the last project, So

925
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: naturally I want to re up. You know what I'm saying,

926
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna take what the funk we got. We're gonna

927
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: invest in the in the best team, who makes the label,

928
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: who they hire, who do they get? We want to

929
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: get them as they get, you know what I'm saying, Like,

930
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: that's that was the So for motherfucker's to think that

931
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: you for me that um or the dispute being independent

932
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: because you hired people to grow your business, that that's

933
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: kind of flabbergasting. Also that you're investing in yourself. May

934
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: you've been in touch with us? Is singing coach? Yeah?

935
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I's just saying, coach, we should keeps vocal coach.

936
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be the best of the best. Bro. Yeah,

937
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: you want to take your vocals to the next level?

938
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Like what does that even look or sound like for you?

939
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm finding out now. I'm find out every day. I'm

940
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: find out every day, bro, Like I'm unlocking something new

941
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: every time I do a lesson. Really yea. Like as

942
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: far as vocally, do you what do you think is

943
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: like do you need improvement on just the tone or um?

944
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: I say, just my being winded and ship like that

945
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: because you know I'll be smoking in bullshit and so

946
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: just just disciplined singing more often, strengthen the instrument. Yeah,

947
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I was never. I was never when the when the casts,

948
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: I really like to sing like that, Like I didn't like,

949
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't walk around, just be like I'm finishing, I'm

950
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like, that's That's something

951
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: that I've just been trying to hone in on. It's

952
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: just really um loving my voice and maintaining it and

953
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: protecting it and treating it like it's something that I

954
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: actually care about versus it just being a means to

955
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: make songs. Got you you still care about? Make it

956
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: out Alive? Is that the next project that we're cooking up?

957
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I love the name, so I'm still working

958
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: on it. Do you have a concept it is going

959
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: to kind of follow the same vein as I can't

960
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: get it away, can't get away, I can't give it away,

961
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: But it's it's I've already got a couple of songs

962
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: like in the words for it. That ship is incredible. Okay.

963
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: My final questions, why are you making us get up

964
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: in a helicopter? Man? What's going on helicopter idea? You have? Man,

965
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: what's going on with this man? Something new? Man? Were

966
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: trying new things? Okay, you appreciate it, man, I'm into

967
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: new things. Man. I had a couple more questions. Just

968
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: want to ask because some of my favorites. Jackie Brown

969
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: wanted it's by Pam Gris character from the movie, Like,

970
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: why did you use that as a using inspiration? Because

971
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: she's realist she did realist mature. It's like you feeling

972
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: fly as woman. You know that Another thing is like

973
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: as far as woman goes, like a lyrical that stood

974
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: out to me. It is like I think it's a

975
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: rolling stone. He said, Like, first, I'm excited that I'm

976
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: a gasline to make up your mind, Like when it

977
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: comes to dating in your dating life, do you like

978
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: those surface those claim surface all the time. I mean,

979
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: of course, that's just you know, that's just the ship

980
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: that people say. Yeah, I mean that's just another everything

981
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: enough and like first of exciting them, guys, like it's

982
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: just like that said this base. That's one was perception,

983
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: like you say I'm this, you say I'm that, like whatever, whatever, okay, right,

984
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And the same thing you also ask what the purpose.

985
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: What purpose do you advice is serving your life? Would

986
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: you reflect on yourself? I'm trying to find an answer

987
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: all the time, man, I'll be trying to figure out

988
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: why the funk I do what I do? UM? I

989
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: think at this point inspiration HM. To be real with you,

990
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: I think as an artist, a lot of a lot

991
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: of ship that we do, we do to make art

992
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: about it. M like, ultimately, UM, living exciting life to

993
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: then't have contented to create a round? I got this.

994
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: I remember you haven't seen him the sake commercials, the

995
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: bier yo. Yeah, like the most interesting man in the world. Yo.

996
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: He goes into these spots you feel me dressed off

997
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: fancy and talks about all the ship that he did.

998
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Like that's who I want to be, the most interesting

999
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: man in the world for real. Throw it through. I

1000
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: want to be able to go somewhere when I'm old

1001
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: and be able to be like, I don't do this,

1002
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I did that. I was there, I spoke, I spoke

1003
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: to this motherfucker, I did whatever. Like I've seen it all,

1004
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: did it all? You know what I'm saying. I want

1005
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: to I wanta one day be able to say I

1006
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: speak like four or five languages, and I know how

1007
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: to surf and I know how to just all type

1008
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: of random ship, which is why we're getting up in

1009
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: the helicopter today. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah to be that

1010
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Let's go baby, Has there been a podcast helicopter podcast?

1011
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: Be now? I said, grand fast Yeah yeah yeah. So

1012
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: when we do brand back in style, like we're literally

1013
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: looking among the wasteland. Yeah, let's see what I was saying, like,

1014
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: it's so dope We're going to l A because like

1015
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: in your career, how pivotal l A was U like

1016
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: the hardwood floors and that journey, Like every time I

1017
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: touched down from wrong somewhere else, it feels like the

1018
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: first time. Right, Why do you think l A ended

1019
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: up being in that area where it's like to be

1020
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: at home of that control of like career breakthrough, the history,

1021
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: just the history and the access and the resources and

1022
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: the fact that there's so many different types of people

1023
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: at one place. It's one of the most heavy proflmy

1024
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: in the city. So yeah, I was talking like we

1025
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: grew up in New York, and when you go up

1026
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: in New York, you know like like the d n B,

1027
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: you think the Collie just like Hollywood, and it was

1028
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: like it's his own culture coming from Maryland. You ever

1029
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: think you will be at this level? Is literally in heights.

1030
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: This is always the vision, right, No, this is like

1031
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: all I have on one of type ship like experiences

1032
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: like this when it comes translate into your music. I

1033
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: mean I write. I write most of my stuff in

1034
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: the area on the plane. I wrote a lot of

1035
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: stuff on the plane. Why did you think you draw

1036
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: aspiration from that? Wrong? Really, I'm not distracted like they

1037
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: nobody text. You can't nobody hit your bo You're looking

1038
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: down and feel um. You feel reflective? All right? Everything

1039
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: like Velo seems so small. Yeah, you got this big record,

1040
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: like I am saying, wasting time? Right? Did you know

1041
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: that record was gonna be in calming? What it is? Mr?

1042
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: That two is a joke, right, Yeah? So it's such

1043
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: a it's five minutes and most songs traditionally like three minutes.

1044
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: You know, they're really short for streaming purposes. But it's

1045
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: like when it's done, you wanted to run it back,

1046
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: coming back, Such a great record. I love that joke. Yeah,

1047
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: you guys haven't performed it yet, right that most of

1048
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: my candialog at this point happened this moth. Yes, how

1049
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: are you posting to new tour? Like? How much is

1050
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna be most effect focused on the new I'm like,

1051
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you have it in your mind how you're gonna cap

1052
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: the show? Yet I'm working it right now. I just

1053
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: know what my guys are nothing. Yeah, you're gonna put

1054
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: it together. Listen to nuts, what's see? Do you feel

1055
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: like you get the most love from when you're performing?

1056
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I can't even just everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, like and I

1057
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: was actually worried about that when I first started touring befalling. Oh.

1058
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I thought some shows were gonna be this, some stance

1059
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: will be I don't know what to expect. But every

1060
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: show felt like telling every show right, how do you?

1061
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: How do you think you've gotten better as a performer?

1062
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: And be like watch your parents or like you study

1063
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: game take all the time. I studied everybody. I study

1064
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: everybody like Bobby Brown, everybody right, And I know, like,

1065
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: since it's been so long since had those shows, I

1066
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to short change the body.

1067
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: People come out and see what they want to experience,

1068
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: so I want to give them that power like that

1069
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: with the podcast, like it was kind of on the

1070
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: low building up and now the world's hoping the back

1071
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: up to like almost like how do we attack this? Right?

1072
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Let me take it from the next level, right, And

1073
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: that's where it was writing. My bread for the wrongness

1074
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: is just how yeah, like how to do it? Like

1075
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: how do how do I post this? And Thisially when

1076
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: I started doing shows, you can't might have been like

1077
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 1: a what two thousand venue, but now everything has grown

1078
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: so much since stead stay doing a lot of video

1079
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: and not moving forward. I gotta go from doing five

1080
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: other people fencing other people doing them in ten other

1081
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: people and I I never I didn't get a little

1082
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: round with it. So I have to really learn how

1083
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: to do um a bigger stage without ever having to

1084
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: experience that before. So I don't I don't even really

1085
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: know what to expect. Well, I know it's gonna be crazy, right,

1086
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: and isn't important to kind of doing your own terms

1087
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: and see's like obviously could probably doing all this and

1088
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that's the FRU culture. But is that a decision And

1089
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: that's not the right thing to you right now? I

1090
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: think for me, it's easier to do a big stage

1091
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: if I can SERI experience yeah, big yeah, that's the thing, right,

1092
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: and that should have looked good. But how much of

1093
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: that mass is there for you right? As a look,

1094
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: I've been studying the stick. I like, I like stings

1095
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: last sommer, like gow he's surrounded by it's generous. So

1096
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: I want to like apply just and things like that.

1097
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: How a strange I have live interrimutation on said and

1098
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: like in the orchestra, I wanted to feel like you're

1099
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: going to a symphony. Okay, I feel like you're a

1100
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: coach of production. I remember where like it if i'm

1101
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: it's like like you know, sonically it may not be

1102
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: like the most perfect thing, but it's like this is

1103
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: the sound that that kind of draws that meg. It's

1104
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: just that it's but it is that prettiness in that

1105
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: character and that personality that that that makes it like

1106
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: it's the imperfection of make it perfect. Yeah, that's any

1107
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: irk you when nobody but somebody may not connect to

1108
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: that part of it or is it it just aren't

1109
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: So it's like a subjected I don't know. I don't

1110
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: take music takes some hand like I never did. I

1111
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: was never one of the people that like if somebody

1112
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: like it, I'll take it personal, like yeah, music and subjective.

1113
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: It is meant to be. It's meant to be judged.

1114
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. Like I don't know. I

1115
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: don't take that too hard. That's what that's what people do.

1116
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: We listen and we judging. You take some food and

1117
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: taste good or it tastes bad. I can't. I can't

1118
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: not know why food with the taste. So when you're

1119
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: crafting this settless, how do you figure out what songs

1120
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna make because I'm sure there's a lot of

1121
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: fair of favorites. Well all right, instead on talk too,

1122
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: So I like to arst everything. I arst everything, throw

1123
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: over the settle list of the ones that I want

1124
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: to perform and the biggest ones I think people are

1125
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna feel, and then maas stuff out of tour goes

1126
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: will swap them out. So you might take a couple

1127
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: of records out of put some new ones in and

1128
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: just test to see how to fulfill it. Are you

1129
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna type an audience to like test out a brand

1130
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: new never go through the record that historic pop. But

1131
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to be there. I'd love to be additions.

1132
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: I think it's good if you're if you're working with

1133
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: live musicians, like the same love of musicians in recording

1134
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: process that you wantso happened to be working when you perform,

1135
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: and that's it's easy. It's like nothing to work. Do

1136
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: something the night before with the band and they go

1137
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: on stage and man after the next night and the

1138
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: performance it because you're working with the same people. So

1139
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted Jordan's want the same producer for

1140
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: the album to assist a lot with the with with

1141
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: the orchestra on the band for this, so the same

1142
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: place with paved from the same place. It's gonna it's

1143
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna be translated a villain statement will make it look

1144
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: really dump. And former planes or girls who dated listen

1145
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: to the album in contacted you thinking that you pulled

1146
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: from their your relationship with them. Someone I've played it

1147
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: for him before the project draft. Okay, now I would

1148
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: like I'm making a song about a certain checking out

1149
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: playing for that night. That great. Wow, I feel like

1150
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: it was spared something. When it comes down, there's super line,

1151
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: whether it's good or bad. I think it's somebody takes

1152
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: the time to write anything about you. It's like, yeah,

1153
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: it's sweet, right, So someone's like you go more and

1154
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: the kind of embrace that bond and when that is

1155
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: you really gonna be with Shorty or not you're racing

1156
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: that mom, because I think ultimately like it'd be it'd

1157
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: be insulted to spend some much time with somebody not

1158
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: be inspired at all, you know what I'm saying. So

1159
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: just a simpler fact that I wrote a record about

1160
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: it taking the first place, whether it's good or bad

1161
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: or ugly whatever, she's just happy that she has started

1162
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: the process. I thought it was very deep that she,

1163
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: like your reflection was like, hey, maybe I live a

1164
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: certain lifestyle because that also I draw the art from it,

1165
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: I drew I draw that from it, like you know,

1166
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: what's good to see? He's like really looking at it

1167
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: from that perspective and like, ha, com into your street.

1168
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: What it is? I feel like ultimately, like you know,

1169
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: like the type of life you live. I think certain

1170
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: people are just not your wrist taking like that's just

1171
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: he would just like you generally motorcycles and like some

1172
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: people just like you like that. I just happened to

1173
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: sing as well put it in what would you like

1174
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: as like a real like I'm talking like Kenney going

1175
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: first grade even he's like he was at your shorty,

1176
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: that like at that level of imagination many. I used

1177
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: to um, I had two things I want to do.

1178
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: I used to draw a lot. I was like a

1179
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: super like artistic here. I used to I was one

1180
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: of the more product just kids. I took classes at

1181
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: man in class of art when I was like, hey, wow,

1182
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: I was a class with a host of kids and

1183
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: she's like eight years old. Good. I was really good

1184
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: at John. I thought that's what I was gonna do.

1185
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: Um when I ended up in my music, but I

1186
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: wanted that and I was I wanted to be a

1187
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: secret agent secret I was looking. I wanted to be

1188
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: a spot I thought that it was all fine. Were

1189
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you working with a lot of the legis man a right?

1190
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: So we gotta drink already in the chamber you want

1191
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: to work with, But you have y'all say whoa I

1192
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: signed to call fact? Yeah? I think I think the

1193
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: Dream could make that happy time. Yeah. What do you

1194
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: think about the work that he's doing on the Beyonce's

1195
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: album to Dream. I love that friend Jack. I like

1196
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: the um, I like the production. I like them a

1197
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: lot of choices. Mhm, that's just screw as right, that's

1198
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: a good listen. I'm I'm not even told of demographic.

1199
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm ye yeah, but like even that, like I'm still

1200
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: a smooth listen. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure

1201
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: you know working with the Dream, you've always been a

1202
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: fan of his, so that stood out to you that

1203
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: you were a fan of Are you a fancy guy? Fancy? Oh?

1204
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: I remember I was in seventh grade when set Up

1205
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: came out. I was telling you when I first heard him,

1206
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not even a lot of man.

1207
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: When that's all set Up came out, I thought that

1208
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: was like the greatest thing ever made. And he was

1209
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: like it is, Yeah, that sounds like terry God Like

1210
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. You also locked it

1211
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: with no I d How was that experience? Oh that's

1212
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: that's that's big, bro, bro. I just aside from just

1213
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: from just the music, I soaked up so much industry

1214
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 1: knowledge from the food, like because he would. The dudes

1215
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: were like, he's not scared to give you the jim

1216
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: so we'll see in the studio. Were talking like all

1217
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: day we might not even make a meat all day.

1218
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: We didn't even get the music good that day, and

1219
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: we're just still talking all day, right, like just it

1220
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: just it's heel just download he's alleged and a half. Yeah,

1221
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: I think that we did with jay Z and the

1222
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: four for a four project come on a lot so

1223
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: much industry knowledge, bro, Like a lot of a lot

1224
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of like how have you said? My

1225
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: thought process and wherever over when it comes to like

1226
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: strategic things I make and doing, like the music and

1227
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: really came from just my conversations with brother. Would you

1228
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: ever do a project or just one producer? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah,

1229
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a post I'm not really close

1230
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: to anything musically. Long as it works. I decided to

1231
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: take the time to get it perfect and with it out,

1232
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: don't or whatever. One day I want to do a

1233
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: project and I solely produced all my son, I'm gonna

1234
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: get that. I just gotta I feel like right now

1235
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: just learning from everybody. Uh Like I've been up learning

1236
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: from everyone so eventually be able to life you everything

1237
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: myself some time, Mr Child, Yeah, I mean that's how

1238
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: I started making music, was do whateverything by myself. You

1239
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: have to be evening you have any like from the

1240
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: duction ver fluence that that ain't going a lot of

1241
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: even like you did or no, yeah, um, I put

1242
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot from forty body so crazy, so crazy notice

1243
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: for Relic Chad, so many people, A lot from you,

1244
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: A pull a lot from Alicia. Yeah sog so much. Man.

1245
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: We did you Anlicia rookie person. Yeah okay, yeah yeah,

1246
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: we sat up. We set the video that feel you know, Okay,

1247
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: the records just try and swiss board up show that's

1248
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: that side that's up up with the hippox. She like,

1249
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: I remember when um, you grew up with the gold Link,

1250
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: the crew record, everybody trying to tell you to like

1251
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: the hook man. Right, so now you can establish yourself.

1252
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, you still get a bunch my invop artists

1253
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: and like how select them? Is that process now? Absolutely? Yeah,

1254
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: definitely like that they never stops. But I think I'm

1255
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: kind of like afford the leisure of being being um

1256
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: very selected. Yeah. So now like I think with that,

1257
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: I can I can kind of control my sito, Like

1258
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: you want me to do a record, like you gotta

1259
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: touch it. I got to sign a certain way like

1260
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: yeah let me like let me, let me, let me

1261
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: got a elements to it. Right about that you're doing

1262
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: the hook right, Yeah, so that go bravely the tyler

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Speaker 1: or a key, but that may not feel right with

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Speaker 1: other artists were saying, it's just this is all about

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Speaker 1: like how it how it sounds, how I feel that

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Speaker 1: thing dropped. Man, that was a big record, Like did

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Speaker 1: you know that was gonna take on the way and

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Speaker 1: then keep uh oh no right, but me say, I

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Speaker 1: was just doing sessions. Yeah I was. I was just working.

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Speaker 1: I WoT I've been doing sessions every day for record

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Speaker 1: pass Like yeah, so I didn't. I didn't know. I

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Speaker 1: thought it's just another record that we cut the studio

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Speaker 1: and it's another one. Like so that's just the success

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Speaker 1: that I record kind of force you can grow up

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Speaker 1: in the bud. It's like, oh ship, like this is

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Speaker 1: what it happened to my mother or something that's big.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta make sure my ships in order. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it made me look it made me look

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Speaker 1: at different, It made me look at anything I did

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Speaker 1: like it could go. Yeah you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: anything I did it could fly like it's no, it's

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Speaker 1: no telling. Yeah, when you like, what's validation. At this point,

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: we talked about success, but like is it a truth?

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Speaker 1: Is it a Grammy. It's the money, Like what's holiday,

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Speaker 1: It's it's experiences. Man, It's being able to do an

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Speaker 1: interview with you know what the Elliott on the helicopters.

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Speaker 1: Right to me, that's validation, right. They can't get an

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Speaker 1: award for that. Trophies just been away with the ground

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Speaker 1: and gone not gonna like this's my type of ship,

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Speaker 1: right with that Drake trophy. Remember he played that when

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: his shows. It was at a shock stage and we

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01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: were yassing, like, yo, you gotta finish that records, even

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Speaker 1: hit Boy. I think we helped encourage him like this

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Speaker 1: ship for the record album. It's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like you said, like you may't write a song, but

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Speaker 1: you can't finish it, but you do it song. But

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Speaker 1: then you go up on the idea. But it's like

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Speaker 1: now go back and like that sound is so dope.

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Speaker 1: You gotta take it to the terstin Like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what I thought about this state of fine Hollywood. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: copy that ship. Really I used to remember on Hollywood

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Speaker 1: and Hotter for like six seven years, even recognizing like

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Speaker 1: I went from like stand some times Florid to like

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Speaker 1: getting a studio apartment and then with my brother Arens's

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Speaker 1: two big in the studio apartment and one gulment apartment

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Speaker 1: and all these boodation was four nigga and one goul apartment.

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Speaker 1: And then from going there to get the spot online

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Speaker 1: and that was like the first time I had something.

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Speaker 1: I was pretty easy. I'm looking on fine unlesh was

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Speaker 1: good as far. I was run across in the w

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Speaker 1: on to nother Funcker's playing an Afro me every fucking night.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying every night. So we said, what's that transition

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Speaker 1: from going from there until when you go into these

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Speaker 1: cities you're like the Beatles to get a mob. What's

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Speaker 1: that like? I don't know. I'll be kind of sucking

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Speaker 1: me up because I still feel like nobody know me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Always with the same people do the

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Speaker 1: same ship all the time. I guess my my group

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Speaker 1: of friends just what we do. But the only difference

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Speaker 1: now is we do the same ship. But people just

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Speaker 1: want to me that's awesome because I saw in New York, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it gets New York is a tough city, so

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Speaker 1: to have that out of Mom and Sea I remember

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Speaker 1: walking through, so it couldn't afford nothing. I couldn't even

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Speaker 1: like I don't going through. So like my first couple

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Speaker 1: of times I went to New York, I actually didn't

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Speaker 1: even stop us alf because it's just like I'm not

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Speaker 1: going you know what walking paste places that snow good

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Speaker 1: to eat. Damn, that's just snow good. It's fun. But

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Speaker 1: you know you gotta got Dady Thedonald's so like shutting down.

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Speaker 1: So right, at what point didn't click for you that

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Speaker 1: this is real? I think this little by little, it's

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Speaker 1: still clocking right. It's not necessarily like I touched down.

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Speaker 1: I was like, down, you gotta get the downs you

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Speaker 1: really right? I mean to an instance, sometimes like when

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Speaker 1: you like when you like I was a kid and

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Speaker 1: you just dream bad, like you've been thinking like should

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Speaker 1: be like make it with yoursething, so you've been thinking

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Speaker 1: like you're getting the studio and work with somebody, And

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Speaker 1: I said, you mean that it's over and then't like

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: keeping your phone and it's like wait, like oh ship,

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Speaker 1: like we're friends, like I should be kind of crazy. Um.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I was like wait a minute, like like these

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Speaker 1: my father's there's people that I grew up listening to

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Speaker 1: that became a homies. Like it's more brokers that you

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: grew up watching on TV that be come to homes

1347
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Speaker 1: like that's just gonna right. Like you think that it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you think it's like one moment it's just done. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you got another car the next day,

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Speaker 1: you're another on the next day, somebody else listen and

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Speaker 1: just keep going. Now it's like I'm constantly introduced the

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Speaker 1: other days. So I know so many people not have

1353
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: been doing it so much longer than me. Now, my

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Speaker 1: like my tastes team, like the toys. I want change.

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Speaker 1: It said that I want change, Like we'll just keep

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Speaker 1: Relevaby like the name used to be, Like, man, I

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Speaker 1: really want this parent sneakers and I really want this happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't really want that jersey. And I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I really want that boat. I really want that car.

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Speaker 1: I really want that. Everything just changes. A chicken really

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Speaker 1: called Louis the thirteen for you MC Queen's you Forgive

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Speaker 1: You Forgive the real stor I that was a dream,

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Speaker 1: Yeah A queen. He put me on the lower yard team.

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Speaker 1: I've never even had it that I know you have

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You're saying the dog food is like one

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Speaker 1: of your biggest inspirations, any other projects that you looked

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Speaker 1: to as like babite rap albums, All Eyes on Me,

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Speaker 1: All Eyes on Me? Forgot listen to that shit. Every

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: time I touched down to l I listened to all

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Speaker 1: of them play something from now before before I land around.

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Speaker 1: It's doing it again. I listen, all man, that was

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Speaker 1: the fastest study, even this in my life rap rador Is.

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Speaker 1: Interval presents original production from hyper House, produced by Laura Wasser,

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Speaker 1: Hosts and producers Elliott Wilson and Brian b do Miller.

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Speaker 1: From Interval presents executive producers Alan Coy and Jay Kleinberg,

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Paul Rosenberg, recording engineer Brian Curley, editing and

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Speaker 1: sound design by Mike Dorsey, Operations Lead Sarah You, Business

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