1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck back in action 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: in NYC. Is still a little raspy, but okay, and 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: COVID cleared, thank god. So that was good news. Clay 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Travis out there in Nashville, Tennessee his voice quaite healthy, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: He's good to go. I'm behind enemy lines and the 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: increase of the authoritarian you're gonna do it of New 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: York City, and we're gonna break that down for you today. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: It's everything that we've said, everything that we've talked about 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: four months. It is coming to pass in New York City. 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so sick of being right, Clay, I 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: gotta be out. I actually wanted to be wrong this time. 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying it. New York the strictest COVID 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: regiment in the country, going beyond anything anywhere else really 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: outside of like Australia in a hand maybe China a 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: handful of country, stricter than anything anywhere in the Western world. 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: We'll break that down for you. Plus, Chris Cuomo got 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: fired from CNN over the weekend he was on suspension. 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I thought, as many others, I'm not good at calling 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Cuomo futures. By the way, here, I gotta tell you, 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: I thought that day would bring him back. So did 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Brian Stelter. They thought that he'd Keith thought he'd come 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: back in January. But no, we'll talk about what's really 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: going on there, because there is a big story. It's 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: not about a haha, someone got fired. There's a bigger 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: story there. Why does it matter that the brothers Cuomo 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: have been brought so very low? And then Kamala Harris 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: another just great reading over the weekend, believe it or not, 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the Washood post about how she is a basically a 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: horrible tyrant who doesn't do her homework and yells at people. 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: What a shock. So we'll get into all of that 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: with you. And I'm so thankful to be at least 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: healthy enough to be back with all of you today 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: and be able to talk to you across the country. 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: So let's get to a clay. I woke up this 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: morning to the news. I knew it was probably coming, 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: and if someone went back and looked at the transcript 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: of this show, I think I've even use the term 40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: preemptive COVID measures. Right, That's what I've said. They're going 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: to try to get ahead of it, right, at least 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: in New York, and then Los Angeles, San Francisco, the LIB, 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, the major cities falling like dominoes, but New 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: York more extreme than anywhere else. Here's de Blasio announcing 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: there will be mandatory boosters for everyone who wants to 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: go to a public place, mandatory shots for five to 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: eleven year olds who wants to go to a public 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: place indoors, and perhaps most problematic, a private sector vaccine 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: mandate for literally every single business in New York. We 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: in New York City have decided to use a preemptive 51 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: strike to really do something bold to stop the further 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: growth of COVID and the dangers it's causing to all 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: of us. So, as of today, we're going to announce 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: a first in the nation measure. Our Health Commissioner will 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: announce a vaccine mandate for private sector employers across the board. 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: All private sector employers in New York City will be 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: covered by this vaccine mandate as of December twenty seventh. Clay, 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: this is madness. I don't know how anybody is going 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: to live in New York City if you have any 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of COVID sense of normalcy. I also, this is 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: a big picture question. There are so few occupied hotel 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: rooms right now because so many people like me who 63 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: might otherwise contemplate taking a vacation to New York City. 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Go see the play, take the kids running around in 65 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: Central Park. I've made that trip. A lot of people 66 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: who are listening to us have as well. If that 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: is now going to require me to take my five 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: year old to get the COVID vaccine, so we can 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: go to a museum, so I can take him to 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: McDonald's when I'm walking around in Times Square and he 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: wants some chicken McNuggets. This is madness, and it is 72 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: the exact opposite of how to get your city back 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: up and running and buck. I use this as an 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: easy example before they even had the kid mandate. My 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: wife and I are going to get away for a 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: few days, right before Christmas, been on the road all fall, 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: going to get away with her for a few days. 78 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: We decided New York City or Florida. Florida was the 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: easy call because there's freedom in Florida, and so I 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: can't imagine that all these hedge fund guys and all 81 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: the private equity, Why in the world would you keep 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: your kids in New York City when you could move 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to Florida, Texas, Tennessee, three states that don't have state 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: income taxes at all work remotely. What's the benefit of 85 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: being in New York. I think people also don't realize 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: that it takes me when I say people are the 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: ones making these decisions. You know, it took to Blasio 88 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: time to put New York on this trajectory into the 89 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: side of a mountain. Right. It doesn't happen all at once. 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, this is the old joke about how you 91 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: go I mean, how'd you go bankrupt? Slowly? Then suddenly 92 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: New York people keep saying it's back, it's back. And 93 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: by the way, can we just say use New York 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: as a stand in for any major city in a 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: blue state. So our Houston friends, for example, they're in 96 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: a much better spot, blue controlled city, but because the 97 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: state of Texas is you know, the home of Houston, 98 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: they're in better shape. But Los Angeles, San Diego, denver 99 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: im and you go down the list all these different 100 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: cities that are not not in Florida, not in Texas, 101 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: they're going to be going through different levels of this madness, 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: but in New York and San Francisco's case specifically, it 103 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: takes a while for people, even when they've made the 104 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: decision to uproot, change their job, or move their job, relocate, 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: do these things. And people that were close to it before. 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: And I'm speaking from some personal feeling here this time around, 107 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe like that said, I can't I can't do this anymore. 108 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: I can't live in a place where I'm surrounded by 109 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: people Clay. If you look in the Twitter thread below 110 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Deblasio's tweet announcing this, I mean, there are all of 111 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: these people who are saying, oh, I'm so thankful. I 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: won't go to a restaurant until at least a few 113 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: weeks after the mandate is in effect, because then I'll 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: be I'll be triple shotted and I'll be safe. And 115 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: I look at the photo like this person must be 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: about thirty through out of their minds, and I don't look. 117 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: Deblasio is out of office soon. So one of the 118 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: first decisions Eric Adams is going to have to have 119 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: is does he reinforce these regulations or because he appears 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: to be somewhat more sane. Is he going to say, 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to require five year 122 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: olds to have a VAX card to go to McDonald's. 123 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to restrict kids' ability to go to 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: a movie or go to the museum with their parents 125 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: during the holidays. Buck In theory, How crazy is this? 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: You can't go see Santa clause if you're a five 127 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: year old in New York City? Can I give you? 128 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: Can I just give you some clay? It's completely insane. 129 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I actually woke up this morning furious when 130 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean I read about this. Imagine it's destroying my hometown. 131 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if I know that Nashville is a 132 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: lib city, but there's enough red there that that can't 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: get so crazy. The problem with New York this is 134 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: whatever us understand. Okay, Yeah, Florida might be, you know 135 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: it was. It was close to having a really awful 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: governor in Gillham, but about fifty percent of the state 137 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: is read. So there's a limit to In New York 138 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: there's a check, you know, Yeah, there's some check on it. 139 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: If they go too crazy in New York City, it's 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: eight to one Democrat to Republican maybe seven to one, 141 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: and so they can be as looney as they want 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: in the city and they get away with it. Same 143 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: in La sam and well, San Diego, I assume is 144 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: probably pretty close. My friend Joe Barelli, who's on the 145 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: city council here I know very very well, great guy. 146 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Probably see him on Fox News sometimes. He tweeted out 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: right before we came on air. Just give folks a 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: sense of this for the real implications of this policy 149 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: in the Bronx, which is a borough of New York 150 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: City folks that is heavily minority, certainly a solid majority minority, 151 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: maybe even something like seventy or eighty percent, although I 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: don't know that number. I know it's majority. I don't 153 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: know the number. I'm just guessing. But in the Bronx, 154 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: with a fifteen percent unemployment rate, twenty eight percent of 155 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: residents will no longer be eligible to work on December 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: twenty seventh, including forty four percent of black young adults, 157 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: because of Deblasio's vaccine mandate. So they're gonna fire, They're 158 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: gonna fire, everybody's gonna fire all these young minorities who 159 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: are showing up getting a paycheck doing a job. That's 160 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: really the plan. But you know what, Clay, Look what 161 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: they did to people at their hospitals. Look what they've 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: done to people at the airlines. You know they will 163 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: fire them. I guess this is where people need to 164 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: get lawsuits filed in a hurry, because you could potentially 165 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: get an injunction to take you through the first of 166 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the year when Deblasio is no longer the mayor, and 167 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: if Eric Adams were smart, he would go ahead and 168 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: quietly do away with these rules, citing all of the 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: legal challenges that are in play, and or if you 170 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: end up with the injunctions, it could take months to 171 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: get a final result, and hopefully by then you're into 172 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: the spring and sanity is starting to govern again, because, 173 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: as we've talked about, there is a seasonality associated with COVID, 174 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: much like cold and flu. As it gets warmer all 175 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: over the United States, the number of COVID cases will decline, 176 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: except in the super hot parts of the country because 177 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: that's when everybody goes inside and uses their air conditions. 178 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: And here's why I want people to pay attention to 179 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: this from the rest of the country, because I can hear, 180 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: I can hear our friends listening in Florida, in Texas, 181 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: in Nebraska, in the Dakotas, you know, in Idaho, wherever, 182 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: in all the red states, all across the country. I 183 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: can hear them saying, yeah, just get out, get out 184 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of the Blue states. Here's the problem, folks. The notion 185 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: of preemptive COVID measures, which has been lingering in the 186 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: background all along, is a huge step toward forever, a lockdown, 187 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: forever COVID mitigation. Because it's not a question of even 188 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: where the numbers are. It's for a disease that we know, Clay, 189 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: you just said, it's seasonal right, it's endemic, it's out there, 190 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: it's going to keep spreading. Well, if you have to 191 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: get ahead of really bad COVID numbers, you have a 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: built in justification for forcing this every year, because oh 193 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: my god, if we don't do it, COVID will come back. 194 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: That's what people have to see in this. That's so. 195 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: And you don't think the federal government, the Biden administration, 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: sees it that way. Trust me, they do. Well, what 197 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: needs to happen is there needs to be a revolt 198 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: in New York City, even if it's seven to one 199 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: that one needs to rise up and start to protest 200 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: against these regulations like buck. To be fair, we've seen 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: all over Europe our media doesn't give a lot of 202 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: coverage to it, as they have instituted draconian lockdowns in Austria, 203 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: in Germany, in England, there have been massive collections of 204 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: people out in the streets revolting against it. I think 205 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: what happens is, to your point, we're divided quite a 206 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: bit by red and blue, and so people like me 207 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: who live in Tennessee, or if you live in Texas 208 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: or Florida or any of the red states, you have 209 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: a degree of protection in terms of what your governor 210 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: is going to allow, even if your mayor might be 211 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: a Democrat. Whereas people don't feel the need to speak 212 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: out here because honestly, the world's not any different really 213 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: for people who live in Tennessee. The only time I 214 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: know that there's COVID is when I go to the airport. 215 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Otherwise everything's one hundred percent normal. And so I think 216 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: that's the question. We need people in blue cities and 217 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: blue states to finally say enough, and a lot of 218 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: you also need to say enough about cell phone cost rush, 219 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: loved sharing iPhones at holiday time. He knew what a 220 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: special gift they were. Well, Pure Talk Cellular isn't giving 221 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: them away, but they're sure lowering the price on them 222 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: for this audience. 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The Jim, 240 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: I didn't expect to be on with it this evening 241 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: talking about this breaking news, but we didn't know until tonight, Jim. 242 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Is it an outside law firm also came in and 243 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: that the law firm went through the thousands of pages 244 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: of text messages and sworn testimony that was released back 245 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: on Monday. So there was clearly something in those documents 246 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: that was found to be a serious breach of standards 247 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: and practices. Now, there is one part of the statement, Jim, 248 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: that we don't know anything about now. Just to be 249 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: completely transparent with the audience, it says there's additional information 250 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: that also came to light sometime this week. We don't 251 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: know what that is. I've asked. There's no answers coming 252 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: on what that could be. Welcome back to Clay and 253 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Buck Show. Chris Cuomo fired from CNN over the weekend, 254 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: which we wanted to discuss with you now because this 255 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: was a surprised to me because he's tight with Zucker, 256 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: and Zucker runs that place with a tiny iron fist. 257 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: I believe I believe Tucker calls him the dwarf King 258 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: of which is pretty funny. So he is he's over 259 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: there at CNN, or I'm sure I should say Chris 260 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: Cuomo is no longer over there at CNN, because well, 261 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly why. There were allegations of sexual 262 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: misconduct according to the New York Times here as well 263 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: that came to light, So some kind of harassment is 264 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: also now a part of this, which now that's the 265 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: part of it. If it were just the helping his brother, 266 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: I think it's likely that they would have put him 267 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: on the Tuban protocol, which I always don't have to explain, 268 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: means you are suspended and then brought back. It does 269 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: not mean anything else, Everybody, I just don't know what 270 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: else to call it, Like the tuban maneuver. That sounds 271 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: even worse. But they brought him back and Clay they're 272 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: saying it's sexual harassment allegations here. We don't know much 273 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: more about it. But can I just remind everybody the 274 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: bros Cuomo were the great COVID pandemic heroes of CNN. 275 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: After Fauci. They were the next ones on the list. 276 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo got a made up Emmy Award, which I 277 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: think is going to go in the litany of Hollywood stupidity. 278 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo getting a made up Emmy Award for his 279 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: communication skills during COVID is one of the moments. I 280 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: think when people look back and read the history of 281 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: the COVID era, they're gonna be just laughing at the 282 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: absurdity of it all. But Andrew Cuomo and Chris Cuomo. 283 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo is the highest rated person on CNN. So 284 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: a big picture here, like leaving aside Chris Cuomo, CNN 285 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: needed Donald Trump more than any television network needed Donald Trump. 286 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Or there were fears that Fox News would fall off 287 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: without Trump. No, no, no no, no. CNN is the one 288 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: that has borne the brunt of the Trump administration being 289 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: no more, and Chris Cuomo was the remaining highest rated 290 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: of their anchors. And I just don't know, as you 291 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: look at the fall from Andrew Cuomo and now the 292 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: fall from Chris Cuomo, I don't know what Chris Cuomo 293 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: winds up doing. I'm betting is going to do a 294 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: podcast or something. Well, he's got a serious he's got 295 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: a serious radio show. I believe he's actually technically up 296 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: against us on the radio. Well, I'm sure we're kicking 297 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: his ass. I mean, I didn't even know that he 298 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: had a radio show until I saw the story that 299 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: he had commented on his suspension on his radio show. 300 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I just I don't know what CNN does. I mean, 301 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: first of all, they've got to find a minority woman 302 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: to replace him. Those are the rules. Maybe Kamala Harris 303 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: instead of maybe Joy or Brian. Maybe they bring her back. 304 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: There's some names out there, a right, Maybe they'll give 305 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Joy Read eighty billion dollars a year to come host 306 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: to show so she can wait. You mean they would 307 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: bring in Joy Read, give her a national platform and 308 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: shower millions of dollars on her so that she can 309 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: tell the country how racist and awful we are every day. 310 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: That sounds like right up, CNN, Zaley. They'll pay her 311 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: more than MSNBC did to already do the exact same 312 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: show that nobody watches. I don't know what their solution is. 313 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: They might bring your buddy Jake tapperin to me, the 314 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: reason they let him go is because his talent. This 315 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: is my big theory. It always implies, well in sports, 316 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: his problems exceeded his talents. As long as your talent 317 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: exceeds your problems at any point in life. If you're 318 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: the best roofer out there, but you've got an issue 319 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: with let's say, in subordination sometime, but you do incredible 320 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: job as a roofer, you'll be employed. If you are 321 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: a wide receiver out there, but every now and then 322 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: you get pop for smoking weed, but you are impossible 323 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: to cover on the deep ball, you'll be employed. CNN 324 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: finally decided buck that Chris Cuomo's problems, and I think 325 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: you're right. It was the conjunction of covering for his 326 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: brother and then also doing it in a public way 327 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: when the New York Attorney General report came out from 328 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: Letitia James, and then the sexual harassment on top of that. 329 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: I think he would have been able to survive one 330 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: or the other. I mean, look at Don Lemon. They're 331 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: pretty substantive sexual harassment allegations. He accused a sexual assault 332 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: right even a level against him that that have still 333 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: allowed him to be employed. I think you can have 334 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: one or the other, but you can't have both, you know. 335 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: There's also a part of me. I got so many 336 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: feelings about this one because of the story that it 337 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: really tells the country about CNN. It's coverage of the 338 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: pandemic and just the way that that what used to 339 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: be the kind of storied, original cable news network has 340 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: turned into a trash heap of leftist garbage. Trump profomos. 341 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah true, Trump completely psychologically broke them. That's frue. And 342 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: I actually witnessed it, and I left. I left the 343 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: beginning of it. I left CNN before I had a 344 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: syndicated radio deal. I left Clay I had. I mean, 345 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: this is kind of not to make this a big 346 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: personal story. I basically had no income guaranteed. CNN's like, 347 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you to be a you know, political 348 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: analyst for us. If this would have been for the 349 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: third year, and I said no, I was like, these 350 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: people are out of their minds. I would rather have 351 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: no money. I'd rather go work some job that I like. 352 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I used to have a different job. I'd go work 353 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: a job anyway. CNN completely lost its mind as a network. 354 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: But the Cuomo brothers, you have to at somehow will 355 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: feel like, of course they got sloppy. Of course they 356 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: were arrogant. Look at what they were able to get 357 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: away with. Leading up to this, Andrew Cuomo, as Governor 358 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: of New York not only decided by a completely unnecessary 359 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: executive order to shove COVID positive seniors back into nursing 360 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: homes to infect other seniors who are We're dying at 361 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: unprecedented the country. Play any elected official in all of 362 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: the COVID era. He did that, and then he covered 363 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: it up, and then he lied addition a five million 364 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: dollars for it, and he was a hero and he 365 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: wasn't even held accountable for that. It was because he said, 366 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, hey, they're sweet dang and grabbed the lady 367 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: in the tummy area or like you know, but which, 368 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: by the way, not okay. But it's not sending people 369 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: to die in nursing homes like an idiot when you're 370 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the governor of New York during a crisis, I do. 371 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: I think that's worse. That's not what he's being fine, 372 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: that's now what a Quis Cuomo is accused of helping 373 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: him cover up. It's amazing to think about it. The 374 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: me too component is so much bigger, is so much 375 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: more problematic for the Left then sending people's grandparents into 376 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: precarious situations to die. It is unbelievable when you look 377 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: back on it in retrospect, and I think this will 378 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: be the way that the story is told that Cuomo, 379 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: who got the honorary Emmy for all of his communication skills, 380 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: made the worst decision certainly. I think of an elected 381 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: official in the twenty first century as it pertains to 382 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: elderly COVID infected people being sent back into nursing home. 383 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: So which, by the way, we should mention Buck. You 384 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: remember the reason why that happened was because the forecast 385 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: of all these hospitals being overloaded convinced Andrew Cuomo that 386 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: they were going to have to turn away so many 387 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: people who needed help that they needed. He thought to 388 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: take advantage of all the beds, remember we had, but 389 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: the navy boat that came up, we turned the whole 390 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: convention and center into a hospital. Almost none of those 391 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: were ever used at all, And in retrospect, he didn't 392 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: need to be evicting these COVID positive patients and sending 393 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: them back to nursing homes. But he bought into the 394 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: worst possible calculations out there, which is how this all occurred. 395 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna need a million ventilators. I remember the speeches 396 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: he was giving about a clay a million ventilators, and 397 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: we built them. I mean it's it's insane, the stuff 398 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: that was going on back then, and they gave him 399 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: a five million dollar book deal. They turned these two. 400 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: I mean, Cuomo was essentially Chris Cuomo. I have to 401 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: sort of you know the bros. Fredo was essentially which 402 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: people only call him that because he's such a baby 403 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: about it. It's not even you know what I mean 404 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: who it gets what adult gets mad about being called Fredo. 405 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: My name is Buck. You can imagine what I get 406 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: called by people. Oh you and it rhymes with anyway. Yeah. 407 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: But he was the state media arm during a pandemic 408 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: of his brother's regime at CNN. That wasn't what embarrassed them. 409 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: What embarrassed them was the was the the sexual harassment situation, right, 410 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: What embarrassed them wasn't a thing that actually affected millions 411 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: of people. I mean, SCN has no credibility, and like 412 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: I said, it's because me too. Ultimately they built it 413 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: up to such an extent with Kavanaugh that they feel 414 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: compelled to justify it even when regardless Democrat, Republican, independent. 415 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: The standards should be when somebody accuses you of inappropriate behavior, 416 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: you get the opportunity to defend yourself. We're still having 417 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: to deal with the fact that many people in this 418 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: country don't believe that. They believe if you're named as 419 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: an as an accused, if you are named as a 420 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: guilty party, that you are guilty. 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The stock market, Buck, we 463 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: were just talking about this off the air, has been wildly, 464 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: wildly reactive to the omicron threat as it were, and 465 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: what exactly was going to be the impact dropped a 466 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: thousand points in the immediate aftermath of the reports from 467 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: South Africa. Well, Buck, right now, the stock market is 468 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: up seven hundred. The Dow is up seven hundred and 469 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: twenty three points right now. That's up over two percent. 470 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: So for some of you who may have been looking 471 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: over the last week and noticing that the DOAO had 472 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: made a substantial decline as the threat was out there 473 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: about what exactly might be taking place as it pertains 474 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: to omikron, Dow is up two percent right now and 475 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: we have got the SMP five hundred up just shy 476 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: of one point five percent. So it seems that the 477 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: fear that has been out there associated with this newest 478 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: COVID variant is starting to get dialed back at least 479 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: a bit. In terms of the financial world again, the 480 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: stock mark it took a real beating last week and 481 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: on the Friday after Thanksgiving associated with omicron. We're a 482 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in now people seem to be calming 483 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: down a bit. Also want to mention, I saw this 484 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: story Buck. We're gonna talk about Kamala Harris and her collapse. 485 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: Did you see this story over the weekend? The last 486 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: member of E Company from the Band of Brothers group 487 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: ninety nine years old. I believe that he was for 488 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: those of you who read that fantastic book, one of 489 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: the most remarkable stories about the Band of Brothers in 490 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: World War Two. Buck. The first time those guys had 491 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: ever been in an airplane. We're talking about kids who 492 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: had grown up seventeen eighteen years old, farms, rural areas 493 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: as they are training in Georgia, the Band of Brothers 494 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Group E Company that would be a part of the 495 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: hundred and first Airborne. The first time most of them 496 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: ever got on an airplane. Buck. They parachuted out of it. 497 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Can you I mean, when I've read that story is 498 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: much a fantastic book. Band of Brothers. And obviously I 499 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: know a lot of you watch the HBO miniseries as well. 500 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the sheer testicular fortitude from those guys. 501 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Think about however you old you are, the first time 502 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: you ever got on an airplane, how scared, how nervous 503 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: you were, the first time those guys ever got on 504 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: an airplane. Buck they went up in the air and 505 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: they jumped out with parachutes. I mean, that's just different 506 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: level of bravery, man, It is, it is. I would 507 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: tell you the first time I ever got into a helicopter, Clay. 508 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: It was a black Hawk with a couple of two 509 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: forty gulfs on it that they actually had ready to 510 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: roll because we were in a war zone. So that 511 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: was my first ever helicopter. That's pretty scary too. That 512 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: was interesting, I gotta say, And it wasn't wasn't a 513 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: one off. There was a lot of that going on, Blackhawks, Chinooks, 514 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. But I will say, you were 515 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: thankful to be in the air because at least then 516 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: you didn't have to worry about the i eds on 517 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: the ground, which when I was in humvees and other things, 518 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: that was always a much more. That is more concerning 519 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: in the immediate sense. Although when you're up in a 520 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: helo and there are guys who are all armed up, 521 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: you you just hope that it's a good day's flight. 522 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: That much. I can tell you my uncle who served 523 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. He was in Vietnam and he was in 524 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: charge of helicopter repair. When you mentioned that, and do 525 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: you know what the number one responsibility of helicopter repair was. 526 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: They had to be the first guys to go up 527 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: after they fixed the helicopter, so they you know, that's 528 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: really a fascinating I don't know if they still have 529 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: that same rule in place. I think door gunners and 530 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: see the problem whenever I say anything about military history 531 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: with this audience is I know that if it's off 532 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: in somebody I radially blown. Like you, you try to 533 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: sneak in like the wrong figure for you know, German 534 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: casualties in a battle in World War Two, I'm gonna 535 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: get three angry emails. But I think door gunners in 536 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: Vietnam were among the highest casualty percentage, you know, as 537 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: per capita occupations. Those helicopters were just magnets for enemy fire. Well, 538 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: and I just always thought that was so interesting that 539 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: the way that they made sure that they did the 540 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: absolute best maintenance job they repairing those those things getting 541 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: blown up. Was the first people to go up in 542 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: them after they got fixed were the crews that we're 543 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: working on. Helo maintenance is critical. It was one of 544 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the big problems with when we were pulling out of Afghanistan, 545 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: the moment you took out US contractors who weren't that 546 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: the Afghans aren't going to keep those helos in the 547 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Skyborn knows it. There's no way they're gonna be able 548 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: to keep the Blackhawks and other things. And now of 549 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: course the Taliban, we'll see if they're able to keep 550 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: them there too. I mean, they'll be cannibalizing parts within 551 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, six months, and they won't know what to do. 552 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's a band of brothers. A great series, 553 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, The Pacific is great. HBO, 554 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: for all of its woke madness, has done some pretty 555 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: fantastic stuff too, So thanks to that generation. Bob Dole 556 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: obviously we should mention Bob Dole as well, one of 557 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: that greatest generation. Also just in terms of a sheer 558 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: resume one of the great accomplishment's true American hero out 559 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: of Kansas, Bob Dole, also of that generation, dying over 560 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: the weekend. I mean, just a legendary man in so 561 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: many different a great hero worth remembering that the you know, 562 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: Democrat media made him seem like he was, you know, 563 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: some kind of wooden Oh he was too old, he 564 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: was too old for the job. Yeah, I remember grinning 565 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: full of you know what, Biden is fine for the job, 566 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: but actual American hero Bob Dole. Oh no, you know, 567 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: let's let's have that. I mean, I don't even I 568 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: can't even use the words on radio for him. That 569 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: fellow Bill Clinton. Oh yeah, that's a good idea. So now, 570 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: the opposite of Bob Dole in many respects Kamala Harris 571 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: as an incredible transition there. So Buck, we talked about 572 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: when CNN went full attack mode on Kamala Harris. What's 573 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: that probably been a month or so ago that that 574 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: story came out at CNN, which eviscerated her. I mean, 575 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's attack mode. I think it's 576 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: as much of an attack mode as you can get. 577 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: What I'm kind of going with with CNN and now 578 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: the Washington Post both coming out and saying things that 579 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: aren't particularly surprising to anyone who has followed Kamala Harris 580 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: very closely. She's not particularly likable, She's not a very 581 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: good person to work. So you go Kamala very skill. 582 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: I've been told Kamala, but I've also heard she has 583 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: said it both ways, which I mean it's it's a 584 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: fully inauthentic version of now that we talked about last week, 585 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: Buck that there were rumors and whispers in the White 586 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: House that they were going to try to put Harris 587 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court because of course Joe Biden has 588 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: promised to put a black woman on the Supreme Court. 589 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: They can't get Brier to agree to step down right now, 590 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: and frankly, if he doesn't step down in the really 591 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: short term, I'm not sure that the Democrats are gonna 592 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: be able to get anybody seated on the Supreme Court anyway. 593 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: But this is just a sign of how bad it's 594 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: going for her right now in the way. Can I 595 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: just so to put this into context for everybody, I 596 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: think you know, because Clay and I we're not Kamala offense, 597 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: I think you've figured that out right, we're not We're 598 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: definitely not team Kamala here, even even among Democrats. Anybody's team. Well, 599 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: that's the point. Yeah, that's that's I was going to say. 600 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: To put this into context, even Democrats are like, well, 601 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm not on team Kamala either, to include people who 602 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: work for her. And this is the truly amazing line 603 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: from the piece in the Washington Post, because this really, 604 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: for a lot of people summarizes the current vice president. 605 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: This is the quote, folks I'm reading here from the 606 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Washington Post. It's clear that you're not working with somebody 607 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: who is willing to do the prep and the work, 608 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: said one former staffer for Kamala Harris. With Kamala, you 609 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: have to put up with a constant amount of soul 610 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: destroying criticism and also her own lack of confidence. So 611 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: you're constantly sort of propping up a bully. And it's 612 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: not clear why end quote that is that is like 613 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: devastating the most because everyone reads that and goes, yeah, 614 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: I can kind of I can kind of see that 615 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: because this is somebody who so much of what she 616 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: would do is ceremonial. It's about the optics, right, I mean, 617 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: the vice president is like a glorified you know, ribbon 618 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: cutting ceremony roll a lot of the time. I mean, 619 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: because we have a fifty fifty center. It's a little 620 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: different right now, but a lot of the time. And 621 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: it's messaging, right Clay, it's coordinating, it's doing things behind 622 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: the scenes. She can't even manage to do that without 623 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: becoming about as popular as a parking ticket. It's amazing. Well, 624 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: her presidential campaign was an abject failure. She dropped out 625 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: before real votes were even cast, and she was polling 626 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: less than one percent in many of the different jurisdictions 627 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: in which she was hoping to be able to win 628 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: the primaries. And so I don't know how the Democrats 629 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: rid themselves of Kamala right. Let me explain what I 630 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: mean by that. If she is not the nominee because 631 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: she is black, because she is a woman, then it 632 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: will be racist and sexist either buck. And this is 633 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: maybe where Stacy Abrams comes in. Either they need to 634 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: find a new black woman who is potentially more electable, 635 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: and maybe that's Stacy Abrams. I don't know. I think 636 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams frankly is going to lose the Georgia. She's 637 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: done a great job as the fake governor of Georgia 638 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: because she has no response. But the difference is Harris 639 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: at least managed to get herself elected to the Senate, 640 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: so she has a office from which to be able 641 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: to be promoted to the next level. Buck, I don't understand, 642 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: and I continue to come back to this. That's why 643 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to think they may try and 644 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: drag Joe Biden across the finish line again. It's gonna 645 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: be because he's the only way that they avoid having 646 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: to coronate her. I'm gonna have to funnel money. We 647 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: can play some of those overseas political bets or whatever, Clay, 648 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: because I would put I would put money down, just kidding. 649 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's legal or not, but whatever 650 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: it is, overseas, there we go, There we go, because 651 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: I would put money down. They're gonna run Joe Biden again. Guys, 652 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: They'll run Joe Biden again, mark my words, Okay, eighty 653 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: two year old Joe Biden. They will run Joe Biden again. 654 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: If they have, you said, push him over, if they 655 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: have to literally wheel him back into the position to 656 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: be you know, I don't know if they do another, 657 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: whatever the ceremony will be for his second term. But 658 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, if they have to wheel him 659 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: with three blankets across his knees and a little straw 660 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: where he's getting apple saut, they don't care. They don't care. 661 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: They will push Joe Biden forward because they want the 662 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: apparatus of Democrat power to be where it is. They 663 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: don't want to take any risk here, So the notion 664 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: of replacing I don't think they have the imagination to 665 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: replace Joe Biden or the fortitude of the intestines to 666 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: replace Joe Biden with Kamala. Look at who their candidate was. 667 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: They had a very diverse field in the primary. They 668 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: know what, None of the diverse candidates when the Democrat Party, 669 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, not including you know, Elizabeth, Sorry that actually 670 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: I just stumbled into that. Not including Elizabeth Warren. None 671 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: of these candidates came close. Here is an interesting question. 672 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: We probably talk about this when we come back for 673 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: the next segment. Would Trump be able to win by 674 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: running a Joe Biden. I know he's not going to 675 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: do it, but just an idea for everybody as we 676 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: go to break here, could Trump win in twenty twenty 677 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: four by just running the equivalent of a Joe Biden 678 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: campaign and staying at Maralago, because now the story is 679 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Biden was able to run and say, oh Trump, 680 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: everything he did was so bad. Trump's awful, He can't 681 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: solve COVID. 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It's been out a few months now, Dr McCarry, 725 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, and I want to dive right 726 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: in News of the day, build a Blasio, New York 727 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: City mandating vaccines four five to eleven year olds effectively 728 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: and able to go do anything in the city, to 729 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: go to a museum, go see Santa Claus, go to McDonald's. 730 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: Does this make any sense at all based on your 731 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: knowledge of the data surrounding COVID at this point in time, Well, 732 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: I think it's going to result in unintended harm, because 733 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: when you vaccinate somebody who already has natural immunity, you 734 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: expose them to the risk of myocarditis and other complications, 735 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: and those are very rare, but in young men and boys. 736 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: It's one in seven thousand kids, so it's tragic. Look, 737 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: we want to encourage vaccination, but when you do these 738 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: rigid mandates, everybody freezes in their thoughts and nobody's going 739 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: to be more likely to get it because they're forced to. 740 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: My kids, both my wife and I have had COVID. 741 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: We've recovered from it. We believe our kids have as well, 742 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: though we haven't gotten them officially antibody tested. If you 743 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: know your kids have had COVID and they're young in 744 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: that five to eleven range, would you be advising people 745 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: to get their kids vaccinated. I think the answer is no, 746 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 1: but I just want to ask you specifically on it. Well, 747 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: the science is actually pretty clear on this, because if 748 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: you look at the Fiser vaccine trial, they say that 749 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: nobody who had the infection in the past tested positive 750 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: in the study, and there's no scientific evidence to support 751 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: vaccinating people who are already immune. And that kind of 752 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: indiscriminate vaccination policy just comes from this attempt to have 753 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: streamlined messaging from the public health officials. It's good for 754 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: their marketing departments, makes their job easy. It's just not 755 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: medically precise or McCarry it's buck getting over a cold, 756 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: not COVID, thankfully. But I already had COVID, so did Clay. 757 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: I have a task proving that I had COVID, And 758 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: now I'm being told in New York City, starting in 759 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, that one shot is not enough. 760 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: We need boosters in New York to go to our jobs. 761 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: It's not even just for public accommodations anymore. Deblasi announced 762 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: a private sector mandate for all businesses. I just want 763 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: to know. We also have CDC Director Wilenski saying the 764 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: disease is now endemic. So why aren't they just being 765 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: straight with the public that given these realities, we are 766 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: now expected to have a They'll be essentially a COVID 767 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: apparatus like this for years to come, perhaps for decades 768 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: to come. I mean, if this disease continues to flow 769 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: and we need to get continuous boosters to top us 770 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: off or whatever they call it, why do we think 771 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: this ever goes away. Well, there's the absolute worst of 772 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: medical paternalism that's coming out right now. With no evidence 773 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: to support boosters and young people, they're making these blanket 774 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: recommendations using the omicron fear to push the boosters. Now. 775 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: The irony is a young person doesn't even need to 776 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: get vaccinated if they have natural immunity, and now you're 777 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: telling them, not only do they need two doses, they 778 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: need a booster. Look, I believe amograms save lives for 779 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: women over age fifty. That doesn't mean I recommend mammograms 780 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: for men and women and children. So we have this 781 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: indiscriminate booster mentality that flies in the face of what 782 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: the experts voted on just two months ago. Remember the 783 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: FDA experts voted down boosters for everybody by a sixteen 784 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: to two votes. So then the FDA decided we're going 785 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: to make another run at this and push it again internally, 786 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: and we're not going to convene our experts, We'll circumvent them. 787 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: And that's where we get this boosters for all recommendation. 788 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: It's mad, It is crazy. Doctor McCarry, appreciate you joining 789 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: us again. JOHNS. Hopkins encourage you to check out his 790 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: book as well. What do we know? What is the 791 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: latest on omicron I know everybody out there is been terrified. 792 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: The media has done its best to convince everyone that 793 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: it is an existential threat to all of us. What 794 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: is the latest data that you've been able to see, 795 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: doctor McCarry, and how would you suggest people adjust their behavior, 796 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: if at all, based on its arrival in the United States. 797 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about omicron. I'm a little hopeful that 798 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: it's less dangerous. If it is more contagious and less dangerous, 799 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: that's actually good for the world given the alternative of delta. 800 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: So I don't think we should do anything different because 801 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: of omicron. Now, it is important to note that early 802 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: data is suggesting two findings. One is that there's no 803 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: severe cases so far, so it may be more mild. 804 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: And the other data point is that you may be 805 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: more likely to get a breakthrough infection with omicron than 806 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: with prior variants, but those are mild, common cold like illnesses. 807 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: It maybe two and a half times more likely to happen. 808 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: That is, a breakthrough infection with OIC than prior strains. Remember, 809 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: an unboosted adult in the United States has an extremely 810 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: low risk of hospitalization. If you're immune, your risk of 811 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: hospitalization is one in twenty six thousand, and the average 812 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: age of that one person is age seventy three. Everybody's 813 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: got a different risk tolerance. We need to respect people 814 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: who say, I'm okay getting a mild common cold. You know, 815 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm okay living with that. That's statistic Doctor McCarry of 816 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University of Medical School, folks, and also he's 817 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: an author. Check out his latest book, Doctor McCarry on 818 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: the transmissibility point, because this was used as the justification initially, 819 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean they keep moving. The constant moving of the 820 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: goal posts from the people I call fauciites is dizzying, right, 821 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: I mean they everything changes every three months. You know, 822 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: what do we have to do, How do we have 823 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: to do it? How long does it go? But on 824 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: transmissibility specifically, they told us that if you get the shot, 825 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: you won't get it, you won't spread it. We know 826 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: that's not true. We know that there are plenty of 827 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: breakthrough infections. Do we have some sense of how you 828 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: know the numbers stack up with that? Meaning they were 829 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: telling us, oh, well, you're so so unlikely to get 830 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: it and spread it in July and all if you're vaccinated. 831 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,760 Speaker 1: But now they're telling us all to get boosters. Clearly 832 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: they're doing that for a reason. How many you know, 833 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: how can we kind of gauge the risk of spread 834 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: from the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. So first of all, 835 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,919 Speaker 1: I do recommend a booster for someone over sixty five 836 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: that's not had COVID and is vulnerable. It does slightly 837 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: reduce an already very low risk of hospitalization. You know, 838 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: Doc Clay's parents and my parents are vacxed and boostered 839 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: and they're over set to five. So we are solidly 840 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: on that message. But go ahead. I'm glad now in 841 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: terms of transmissibility, your peak viral shedding and this just 842 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: came out in Lancet a few weeks ago, is the 843 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: same in a vaccinated and unvaccinated person. So what we 844 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: are seeing is vaccines are doing their job, downgrading the 845 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: infection to a mild raysymptomatic case. That's why you're seeing 846 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: case numbers continue to circulate and go up in the 847 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: North where it's the viral season. These are mild common 848 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: cold like illness is. But the exception of the small 849 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: segment of the US a very precise ten to twenty 850 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: million who are adults with no vaccine, no natural immunity, 851 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: and they have a risk factor. Those are the people 852 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: getting into trouble and still showing up and getting very sick. 853 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: That's a whole different ballpark. That's a different group. We 854 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: can't have society go on hold because they have chosen 855 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: to make a decision not to get vaccinated, a decision 856 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: I would not advise for them. But we know we 857 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: have got the entire world economy on hold because of omicron. 858 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: We have four high level virus labs called BSL four 859 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: labs in the US. We spend a lot of money 860 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,359 Speaker 1: on these labs for so called in case we need 861 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: them for bio terrorism. They could do the experiment overnight 862 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: to tell us how well vaccines work against omicron, instead 863 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: of this ten day delay telling the public we're on 864 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: top of it, we're on this, we've got it taken 865 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: care of. We're in close communication. Just do the experiment. 866 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: Takes six hours. You could do it in the lab 867 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 1: and answer all this uncertainty that's circulating. Well, I want 868 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: to go back to one thing you said a moment 869 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: ago to Buck. I believe to one of his questions 870 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: when you said that there was a one in twenty 871 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: six thousand chants and the average age was seventy three. 872 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: That's if someone has gotten the COVID vaccine, or if 873 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: they've recovered from COVID. Right, So for natural immunity or 874 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: vaccinated immunity, you're talking about a one in twenty six 875 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: thousand chance of hospitalization with the average age of seventy 876 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: three going forward. That's right, And that's just from vaccination. 877 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: If you have natural immunity, it's probably even lower. But 878 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: using other data from National Immunity, but that's pretty darn low. 879 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: And that's right from the CDC's website of the weekly 880 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: risk of hospitalization during the peak of Delta was one 881 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: in twenty six thousand Americans who are fully vaccinated. I'm 882 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: okay with that risk personally. And if we find out 883 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: who that one person is. The only stage who tells 884 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: us is North Dakota. The average age was seventy three. 885 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: It probably also had special medical circumstances. What does that 886 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: tell you? You can feel good about your immunity right 887 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: now in the United States, if you're fully vaccinated or 888 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: have natural immunity, I mean kind of asking doc before 889 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: we let you go. We're speaking to doctor Marty McCarey here. Well, 890 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: what Deblasio saying, which is mandatory shots for kids five 891 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: to eleven and mandatory boosters for already for the vaccinated, 892 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: even you know, across all age groups. Are there any 893 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: doctors who are going to speak out against this? You 894 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: think is anyone going to just finally other than you? 895 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: And some say that this is not science based, this 896 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: is fear based. We're trying, you know, the problem is, 897 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to compete with doctor Fauci. He has so 898 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: much tremendous influence. He gets platformed by all the media. 899 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: He's never talked about natural immunity, never talked about fluvoxamine, 900 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: which is an amazing drug that's already out that reduces 901 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: COVID mortality significantly. It's hard. So we're trying, but let 902 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: me be very clear. There will be unintended harm to 903 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: young people who are vaccinated and already had the infection 904 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 1: because we're introducing the risk of milecarditis into a system 905 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: that's already immune. By the way, a study just came 906 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: out of Germany. Number of kids in total who have 907 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: died of COVID who were healthy zero in that entire 908 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,839 Speaker 1: country age five to seventeen. So we've got to put 909 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: things in perspective. We've lost our minds with COVID policy. 910 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: Imagine a White House briefing every year we get the 911 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: seasonal flu variant that comes in. Oh, we have a 912 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: case in San Francisco of the new influenzia strain that 913 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,919 Speaker 1: just landed. You know, we would never have a White 914 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: House briefing for that. I think we're to be in 915 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: a good place. I think we're in a good place. 916 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: I think people should go good about their immunity, and 917 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: I think we should move away from mandates so we 918 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: can encourage people to be immune positively, rather than using 919 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 1: the excessive reach that they're going to retaliate against them. 920 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: It's going to harden them. Doctor Marty McCarry, Professor, Hopkins 921 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: University Medical School, author of The Price We Pay What 922 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: broke American healthcare? Doctor, We really appreciate you being with us. 923 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us your expertise here on the air. 924 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 1: Good to be with you guys. 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