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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Or Pleased to be join honor set here in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: by Republican Senator from Tennessee, Bill Haggerty, a member of

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Speaker 2: the Senate Banking Committee. Senator, welcome back to Bloomberg. It's

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Speaker 2: always great to have you with you. I would like

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Speaker 2: first to begin with the fact that one of your

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Speaker 2: colleagues on the committee is now the vice presidential nominee

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Speaker 2: in JD. Vance, the junior Senator from Ohio. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of conversation happening within the business community today now

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Speaker 2: that he is the pick, a question as to whether

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Speaker 2: or not a JD. Vance selection is actually an anti

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Speaker 2: big business selection, given some of the stances he is

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Speaker 2: taking on competition. For example, he has praised Lena Khan

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Speaker 2: at the FTC. He has actually advocated for some regulation

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Speaker 2: around big banks when it comes to executive compensation Clawbax.

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Speaker 2: How should business be looking at, Senator Vance.

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Speaker 3: I think the business community needs to look at the

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Speaker 3: overall ticket and look at the potential of what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen in November. The momentum in the grounds well,

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Speaker 3: and I think JDB brings a tremendous amount to this

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Speaker 3: he's going to help President Trump win in November, and

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Speaker 3: the policies that President Trump will implement. If the business

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Speaker 3: community just looks back to President Trump's prior administration, you

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Speaker 3: think about the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, the impact

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Speaker 3: on this sclerotic regulatory framework that's in place, this will

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Speaker 3: give us a chance to go back in and make

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Speaker 3: the United States a far more friendly business environment in general.

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Speaker 3: With respect to Senator Vance's particular points of view and perspectives,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to comment on his behalf on those,

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Speaker 3: and he'll consolidate all of that, I'm certain with the

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Speaker 3: President's platform going forward. But I do think that broadly speaking,

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Speaker 3: JD is going to help the president in terms of

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Speaker 3: cementing support here in America.

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Speaker 1: He's going to bring.

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Speaker 3: People together that I think it's just an incredibly brilliant pick.

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Speaker 3: You think about President Trump, who has actually been such

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Speaker 3: a great defender of the forgotten men and women here

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Speaker 3: in America, and JD's lived the life that they've experienced,

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Speaker 3: and together, I think they're going to cut across demographic groups.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a massively impactful pick

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Speaker 3: that will help see a change in November that the

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Speaker 3: business community should welcome to.

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Speaker 1: Kayley's point, though JD.

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Speaker 4: Advance's economic priorities include tariffs, a higher minimum wage, an

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Speaker 4: anti trust, which doesn't sound like the economic policies of

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Speaker 4: the Grand Old Party. Is this the new Republican economic platform?

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Speaker 3: Well, the Republican Party certainly is moving in a way

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Speaker 4: If he's an embracing economic populism, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's one way to phrase it. But if you

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Speaker 3: think about what Americans are experiencing, we've seen inflation that's

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Speaker 3: And President Trump was in office before every demographic sector

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Speaker 3: exactly what you're going to see in terms of the

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Speaker 1: From the eventual Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that policy, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 2: things like trade and tariffs that JD. Vans also has

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Speaker 2: if they were to win in November, tariffs will be higher.

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Speaker 3: I think tariffs are certainly going to be on the

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Speaker 3: on a global basis where we do not have reciprocal trade.

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Speaker 3: The term free trade has been misused so many times,

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Speaker 3: and I fully expect that I saw it in the

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Speaker 3: previous Trump administration. I work very closely with Bob Leithheuser

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Speaker 4: I have to note that the national debt is not

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Speaker 4: mentioned in the New Party platform when we talk about tariffs.

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Speaker 4: The potential inflationary impacts making the twenty seventeen Trump tax

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Speaker 4: cuts permanent. You've seen all the economic reports, and we've

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Speaker 4: that this would add an enormous amounts to the federal debt.

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Speaker 4: How do you square this? As someone we consider to

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Speaker 3: I have a very optimistic view about this, and I

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Speaker 3: have the effect of growing the economy and in a

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Speaker 3: We saw this happen after the twenty seventeen tax cuts

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Speaker 3: in President Trump and I have talked about this on

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Speaker 1: There are great opportunities to cut spending.

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Speaker 3: What we have in Washington is a huge spending problem,

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Speaker 3: and coming in and taking the very focused and deliberate

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Speaker 3: view toward some of the waste and mismanagement that I

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Speaker 3: see across the board. It's going to be a combination

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Speaker 3: of factors that will be required to begin to get

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Speaker 2: I understand the argument that you and many of your

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Speaker 2: could see greater return from the growth that is spurred

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Speaker 2: by tax cuts. Does that mean, though, that no pay

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Speaker 2: force are necessary. If we could just get specific about

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Speaker 2: what it is that you would cut in order to

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Speaker 2: offset or where this will be paid for, other than

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Speaker 2: just this general idea of growth.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there are plenty of places I think we get cut.

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Speaker 3: Look at some of the programs that were put in

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Speaker 3: place for these multi trillion dollar, totally partisan bills that

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Speaker 3: You think about eighty billion dollars going to the irs

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Speaker 3: to come and snoop on Americans. There are places we've

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Speaker 3: we'll continue to dig in and find opportunities. President Trump

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Speaker 3: to find those opportunities. I've lived this at a state level.

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Speaker 3: I was Commerce secretary of my home state. We cut

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Speaker 4: The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget had a palpitation

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Speaker 4: And the message from Mia McGuinness, who I know, you

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Speaker 4: know there, was you can't get to this with a

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Speaker 4: billion here, a billion there. This will require entitlement reform.

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Speaker 4: You have to get to Medicare and Social Security.

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Speaker 1: JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance doesn't want to touch security and Donald Trump has

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Speaker 4: said that he will not either.

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Speaker 1: Do you.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what I think people miss. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: mandatory versus discretionary spending, and most of my colleagues and

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Speaker 3: I spend all of our time on discretionary spending. But

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Speaker 3: there is a huge chunk of mandatory spending that has

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security, and

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Speaker 3: even more was added to it through the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: one Partisan Reconciliation bills. We need to go and take

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Speaker 3: an extremely hard look at these mandatory spending obligations that

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Speaker 1: They're Medicare and Medicaid, and begin to address that.

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Speaker 3: We can make significant headway again on both the mandatory

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Speaker 1: Or social Security.

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Speaker 2: I'd also like to ask you about cryptocurrencies, given your

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Speaker 2: role on the Banking Committee, but also knowing that Senator

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Speaker 2: jd Vance is from Ohio, a state in which the

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Speaker 2: chairman of the Banking Committee, Shared Brown is in a

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Speaker 2: tough re election fight against a pro crypto candidate, Bernie Marino,

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if jd Vance entering the race puts

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Speaker 2: How do you expect it to play in, not just

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Speaker 2: member of the Banking Committee, but more broadly, well, I certainly.

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Speaker 1: Hope it puts it into play.

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Speaker 3: I think crypto, actually, cryptotechnology is a defining point in

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Speaker 3: that's exactly where Shared Brown and the Democrats, this White

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Speaker 3: crypto technology. If you like a decentralized option that allows

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Speaker 3: for America. I can tell you both, gentlemen, want to

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Speaker 3: And right now, what you have is a choice that

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Speaker 3: right now, That's what comes from Frankly Democrat members of

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Speaker 1: In this administration.

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Speaker 3: We need to move toward the policies that I'm certain

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Speaker 4: Senator, we have to ask you, of course, about Donald

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Speaker 1: What did you talk about.

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Speaker 3: I talked to them Sunday evening for I don't know

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Speaker 3: it's just I fully appreciate the hand of God that

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Speaker 3: I was with Kid Rock that night and we got

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Speaker 3: what happened. I think it shocked us all to our core.

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Speaker 3: And we need resilience, we need strength. And when he

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Speaker 3: think that's a picture that's going to be one of

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Speaker 3: the most iconic in the world. America needs a strong

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Speaker 3: I speak with world leaders very often. Given my role

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Speaker 3: a great need for a strong America right now, and

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Speaker 3: I think President Trump is moving right into that lane,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: Senator Bill Haggerty, the Republican from Tennessee and a member

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Speaker 2: of the Senate Banking Committee, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us, of course, also former ambassador to Japan under

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Speaker 2: the first Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thanks sir,