1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, what this stuff to Blow your Mind? 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: This is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas and we're 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: joining you from the Radiation Proof podcast Chamber here at 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. Now for now, Julie, what's 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: your favorite vision of a futuristic city. I'm gonna have 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: to go super old school and say the Jetsons. The Jetsons, 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: I love the domestic setup that they have and the 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: robot doing everything, yes, and then the the whole food 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: being prepared. Um. And then you know, I love that 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: you're just flying around and you can go through your 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: drive throughs in your your own little spacecraft. Cool. Yeah, 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: well this is a this is the topic I could. 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I could like the fashion sorry, the fashion, yeah, yeah, 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: they had like I love a little like a little 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: like Saturn rings around everything. Um. When it comes to, 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, talking about futuris futuristic cities, I could. I 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: could probably go on too long, and I probably will 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: start going on too long and which guy's just beeper 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: had to jump in and stop me. But okay, I 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: mean there's so many classic visions. There's of course Metropolis, Yes, 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenty nine or something thereabout the old black 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: and white silent Yeah, German expression is some film. Yeah, 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I just showed this massive just you know today. It's 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a retrofuturist thing, I guess, 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, just a massive city. It's like the city 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Um on steroids, if you will, Um with the giant skyscrape, 28 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: the fat cats at the top, yeah, and the idea 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: everybody else toiling underneath exactly, almost kind of like a 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: more Locks kind of thing going on, you know. And 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's kind of a natural extrapolation 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: of population growth and technological advance. Buildings keep getting higher, 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: so they're just gonna keep getting higher, right, You're thinking 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: about that even back in the day, right right. Yeah. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: And so by the time like Blade Runner came out, 36 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: you know that that really set the standard for for 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people's imaginations of what a just a 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: future city skate might look out look like. Well, I 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: think I finally revealed that replicants are among us. Yeah, yeah, 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: it was actually it was a documentary actually, um little 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: man in fact. Yeah, And there's there's another example that 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: I personally really love and I have a love hate 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: relationship with this particular book. But there's a book called 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson, and this was 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: like an early twentieth century book that dealt with like 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic world in which the the sun has 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: gone out and the world is cooled, and the last 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: remnants of humanity living this enormous pyramid called the Last 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Redoubt and um, and so it's like that everybody lives 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: on these different different floors and they grow food in there, 51 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: and it's heated by geo thermal energies, and there's like 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: a whole there's like a second pyramid underneath the top 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: one where they grow like all the food. And it's 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of a horribly written book. It's really a pain 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: to read. Um, really outrageous writing style where he's he's 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just it's rough. But the but 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: if you can you sort of pick through all the 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: bad writing, there's just a tremendous ahead of its time vision. 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, just telling me that right there is amazing, 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: because that's what futurists are planning for us not too 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: far off here. I mean, some people are thinking about 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: what you just describe happening for us within twenty years, 63 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: let alone like a hundred. There's there's actually an excellent, 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: really kind of theoretical plan for something called the Shimazoo 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: Mega City Pyramid. And this is again very theoretical, but 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: it's it's partially inspired by Blade Runner. But this would 67 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: be a giant pyramid on Tokyo Bay, twelve times higher 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: than the Great Pyramid of Giza, with an occupancy of 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: seven fifty thousand. And again this is an example of 70 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: most of these these really large scale when we're talking 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: about like cities that are just like a city skate 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of situation, a Blade Runner type of situation. Um, 73 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about something that's called arcology, which is a 74 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: portmanteau or wordable if you like, of the words architecture 75 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: and ecology. So in other words, it's just architecture, um 76 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: and and design on a scale that is really more 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: like a landscape that can accommodate our enormous population and 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: to bring it down to brass tacks. I think the 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: reason why we're so interested in this topic is because 80 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: right now half of the world population six point eight 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: billion people live in cities, and it's estimated by fifty 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: that two thirds of the population will live in cities. 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: So obviously this trend is not stopping. And then just 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: to put this into context, think about in eighteen hundred 85 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: when less than three percent of the world lived in cities. 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: So what does that mean for us? I mean that 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: means obviously, besides a lot more people, a lot more 88 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: mouth to feed, we have less available land. We've got 89 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues that we need to try to 90 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: to solve. And and I even think about it in 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: this in this way, like the best uh d I 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: y Home show worth its salt will always tell you 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: when you run out of room, what do you do? Build? 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: You build up, build up, you go vertical. So we're 95 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: looking at a future where the sky, the landscape is 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: just gonna be completely populated with these superstructures. And again 97 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: it's not too far down the road that this is happening. 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: And in fact, there are a lot of construction projects 99 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: right now that are underway. Yeah, it's a it's a 100 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: there there. There are even people who look into the 101 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: future and and start dreaming about I don't know if 102 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: it's a dream or it's really more like a nightmare, 103 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: but um, the idea of the uk monopolis, which is 104 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: a city made from an entire world. So if you 105 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: can imagine, it's really like the concept that I think 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Grant Morrison presented this in The Invisibles. But like the 107 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: city as it is is a is a cancer that 108 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: kind of takes over a whole planet, and and sort 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: of yeah, the city as as a cancer and the 110 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: city is this is the physical manifestation of humanity, uh 111 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, all its worst properties. The city as a 112 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: character is a living, breathing thing. Yeah. Well, I mean 113 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: it's not just us thinking about this. The TED founder 114 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Richard Saul Wurman, he actually has a project called nineteen 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: twenty one and that is a case study of nineteen 116 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: cities with populations that will meet or exceed twenty million 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: by the end of the twenty first century. And uh, 118 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: these most of these nineteen cities border oceans, and so 119 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: his thinking and that foundation is thinking, is that there's 120 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: going to be rising sea levels and there's going to 121 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: be all sorts of weird meteorological patterns happening, and so 122 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the cities really need to be studied in terms of 123 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: how they're going to deal with food production, transportation, water resources, 124 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and all that good stuff so on. On a very 125 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: practical level, it's an issue that we need to look at. 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: And people just keep pointing up and saying, we're going 127 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: to be living in these crazy vertical structures and you know, 128 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: we may be on the floor. Yeah, it's easy to know. 129 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: People look at these these giant megastructures and they're like, oh, 130 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: they'll be they'll be like a restaurant in there. There'll 131 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: be a restaurant every floor, you know. But but when 132 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: you look at the stats for you know, revolving around 133 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: the feeding the people on this planet, it gets pretty staggering. 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean, for starters, demographics predicted the planet will host 135 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: nine point five billion people by at least according to 136 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: one study we're looking at. And because each of us 137 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: require a minimum of fift calories a day. Uh, you 138 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: were pointing, this civilization would have to cultivate like a 139 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Brazil's worth of land, right, it's like two point one 140 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: billion acres. And it relates directly to something that is 141 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: often referred to as the eco footprint analysis. And uh, 142 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: and that's the thing as you look at different parts 143 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: of the world, Uh, the amount of land required to 144 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: feed one given person ferries. So people in the developed 145 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: and developed countries such as United States and Japan, for instance, 146 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: each require an estimated ten to twenty five acres of 147 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: land to support their lifestyle. So that's that's a you know, 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: pretty staggering footprint. And and according to population ecologist of 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: William E. Rees, the global average breaks down to five 150 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: point four acres per person. And unfortunately, the planet only 151 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: has enough bioproductive surface area to a lot four point 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: four acres to each of its six point eight billion residents. 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: So um, human civilizations current eco footprint is already beyond 154 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: sustainable levels. Okay, So what you're saying is we just 155 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: we don't have the land. We don't have arable land 156 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: new arable land available to us. So again we're in 157 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: the same room. What are we gonna do? Go up? Um? 158 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting to look right now at 159 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: at a couple of current examples just so that we 160 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: can kind of get our footing on what this means 161 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: to us. And one of the examples is the Bionic 162 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Tower in Shanghai is pretty staggering. Yeah, this is a 163 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: crazy structure. It's it's slated to start construction in and 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: it's going to take fifteen years to build four thousand 165 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: feet tall with three hundred floors, and the structural will 166 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: contain twelve vertical neighborhoods. And we're talking about green spaces, 167 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: urban spaces. I mean, just think about think about New 168 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: York sort of sandwich into building for instance. And the structure, 169 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: if I may, is a very fallic structure. And uh, 170 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: it is centered in an artificial lake. And the reason 171 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: for the lake is so that it could absorb any 172 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: shock waves from earthquakes. And uh, they proposed putting a 173 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: bunch of I guess you what, you'd say, regular size 174 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: buildings at the base that they'd have little trams to 175 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: go to. And I mean basically you would never ever 176 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: have to leave the structure your entire life, which is 177 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: just mind blowing. Yeah. Well, it reminds me again of 178 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: the Last re Doubt in the Night Land, where the 179 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: situation is there are people that live and die old 180 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: generations without leaving the structure, right, And then I mean 181 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: it begs the question for me, like, Okay, well, this 182 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: is this is something we're looking in the next years. 183 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: In five hundred years, are we just gonna all be 184 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: in like a little five by five pod up in 185 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: the sky, you know, living and dying in that same space, 186 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: or you know, you know, not to get depressing. Well, 187 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: it's not depressing because you have to realize video games 188 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: are gonna be crazy good by time, you know. So 189 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: why would you believe you wouldn't even care about the 190 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: sunset looking so beautiful at that? Right? I mean they're 191 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: pretty great now, but you know by this point they're 192 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: gonna be like, I don't have to go outside. Great 193 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: just on the first level of that's right. Yeah, um so, yeah, 194 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: maybe that's not so much of a concern, but you know, 195 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: in our minds right now, it's sort of inconceivable. And 196 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: then just from an engineering standpoint, you think about wind 197 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and movement at that height, you know, you can't have 198 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: any structure move anymore than one four hundreds of its 199 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: height else it's too unstable. Yeah. I ran across some 200 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: interesting UM statistics on this. In numerical terms, the support 201 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: and state built and stability of a building translates to 202 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: an aspect ratio between six and eight. Okay, so bear 203 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: with me, um so you want Okay, So the aspect 204 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: ratio in this case is calculated by dividing the height 205 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: of the building by the width of its base. This 206 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: is kind of the if you've ever liked built anything 207 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: to play or something, and you want like a strong 208 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: base to support heights. Okay, so um to achieve a 209 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: desirable aspect ratio of seven a bionic tower. And this 210 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: is based on a like you give a four thousand 211 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: foot height, and I've seen other height estimates that were lower, 212 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: like three thousand, two eighty one, so this might not 213 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: completely mesh with that with the four thousand number, but 214 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: if it worth, if the tower worth three thousand two 215 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: one ft tall, the base would then need to be 216 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: four dred and sixty nine ft wide. Whoa, Okay, alright, 217 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: so I mean we're talking about just an enormous structure, right. 218 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I'm thinking about too 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: is something called the stack effect, which is that the 220 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: wind moaning that you hear when you're up a really 221 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: really high space, and particularly in buildings where you get 222 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: that whistling effect with elevators. So yeah, you might have 223 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: a great view, but you won't be haunted. I like 224 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: this eraser head like noise all the time. Yeah, And 225 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: speaking of l a ators, Uh, the estimate that I 226 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: was looking at for the Balonot Tower, three dred and 227 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: sixty eight elevators. Okay, so you need to completely rethink 228 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: elevator talk at this point, right, Yeah, I mean assuming 229 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: we canna assume that they have some good speed to them. 230 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: But still, yeah, even if they're basically won clevators, I mean, 231 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: they're the three center and sixty eight is is pretty 232 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: massive up and it's one of the the problems you 233 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: run into with with a lot of like super tall 234 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: skyscraper situations. For instance, Uh, how stuff works is located 235 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: in a what we're fifteen floors fourteen technically because is 236 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: taken out and then there's the secret floor with the 237 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: moment and you know. But but so we have two 238 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: banks of elevators to one one with four elevators going 239 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: up what like halfway and then four other elevators going 240 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: up the rest of the way. And that more or 241 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: less makes sense if you've ever been saying, like, like 242 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: the dorm that I was in in college had two 243 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: elevators that serviced twelve floors, and it was one of 244 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: these situations where the the higher you were, the more 245 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: difficult it was to catch an elevator. So, uh, extrapolate 246 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: that to a five hundred floor of building, and it 247 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: gets ridiculous, like you have to have elevators that that 248 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: that say, do you know floors one through tin, then 249 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: another has to do the next tin floors, the next 250 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: tin floors, etcetera. You have to make it to where 251 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: people aren't spending half their day just ascending. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 252 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: So I guess I would invert the paradigm to that 253 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: maybe that the best floor would be like the tenth floor. Yeah. Um, 254 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: But that's just something to think about. And and then 255 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: also talking about extrapolating if people were to be living 256 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: in these sort of mega cities with these structures, you 257 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: start to think about any sort of interlocking tunnels that 258 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: might run between the buildings. Oh yeah, because that's another 259 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: big staple of I mean, I'm a huge fan of 260 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: sky bridges. I see a sky bridge between buildings and like, 261 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm magine the like it goes back to the Yeah, 262 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking, like as a kid, it's like I 263 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: would always like dream up like fight scenarios between characters 264 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: and non existent action films, like where they would have 265 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: to fight on a on a on a sky bridge 266 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: in a sky bridge. And then of course the window 267 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: breaks and they have to find on top of the 268 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: sky bridge. They're amazing, you know, So I didn't know 269 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: that skybridge is like they they're pretty important to you. Well, 270 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: they're They're just great. I mean it's like it's this 271 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: man made little bridge on the top of like two 272 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: man made mountains, are you know, bridging them together? Like 273 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: I almost wrecked the car anytime I drive under one. Wow, 274 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: get to know if you're driving with you. So, I 275 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: mean that's bionic tower. That's one example. Well, a little 276 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: more about the ma bionic tower though, Um, I was 277 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: reading that. There's also a you're talking about the wind 278 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: going on, Well, it can actually turn a building into 279 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: a giant tuning fork. There's a phenomenon called vortex shedding, 280 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: and basically it breaks down like this is the wind 281 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: blows around the corners of the building, spins off into 282 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: eddies all right, or masses of whirling air, and the 283 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: frequency at which the eddies of air or shed increases 284 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: the wind speed. So, um, this can build up and 285 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: you end up with a dangerous effect called residents and 286 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: and so and this just causes the building to move 287 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: more and more to where you could pensually potentially have 288 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: windows shatter. Um, you know, stuff is cracking, things are 289 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: falling apart, right, Yeah, I haven't even thought. So that's 290 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: the tuning fork effect, So that the it's it's basically 291 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: conducting all of these vibrations to the point where it shatters. 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Am I hearing you right on that? Okay? So you 293 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: end up having to you need to have like aerodynamic 294 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: features to a building a lot of times, or you 295 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: use a dampening system. And this is just something like 296 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: a or like a four hundred ton concrete blocks such 297 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: as in New York City's City Core building to absorb 298 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: the vibrations like a giant shock absorber. Yeah, all right. 299 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I had to just make sure because as soon as 300 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: you said tuning forks, I was like thrown back to 301 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: Costa Rica where I was staying at this place unbeknownst 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: to me with a woman was a healer who was 303 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: trying to heal me with tuning forks. So I had 304 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a moment there. How to repress memory? 305 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind. Um, So, I mean, obviously 306 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: there are there are some practical things that would hinder 307 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: us right now in terms of the technology at like 308 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: you would think so with bionic Tower like that that 309 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: sort of upkeep seems insane. Now, Bionic Tower is also 310 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: interesting in that they, I mean, the whole name comes 311 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: from bionic because in bio as in bio mimetics, as 312 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: in looking to nature to solve human problems, not the 313 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: bionic man. Well no, not really, but I don't know, 314 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. But you know, it's the idea that it's like, hey, 315 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: I need to design a um I need to design 316 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: an airplane. I need to design something that can fly 317 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: in the air. So I can either have a scientist 318 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: look at look at this problem and depend on human science. 319 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: It's you know, maybe been analyzing this problem for what, 320 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: you know, some few hundred years or something. I can 321 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: look to evolution, which has been tackling this problem for 322 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: a much longer period of time, looking to nature to 323 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: solve human engineering problems. So they make a big show 324 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: with the Bionic Tower of talking about how that the 325 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: how they have these ninety two vertical columns and the 326 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: design to you know, for energy and water and other supplies, 327 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: and that this is like the some of the transport 328 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: systems in a vascular plant. And they also talk about 329 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the base of the tower would be kind of like 330 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: a root system and a tree, which on the surface 331 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: sounds great. But but but the if if you look 332 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: at some of the info out there about I'm just 333 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: thinking about. I recently went to Yosseminate National Park and 334 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: they have the giant sequoias there, which, you know, enormous trees, 335 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: really interesting to look at, and on the service you 336 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: might think, yeah, if I wanted to build a super 337 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: tall building, I totally looked to a giant sekoia because 338 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: they have it all figured out. But the thing is, 339 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: giant tekoias, though they live pretty long, they fall down 340 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: when they're when the wind blows too too strong or 341 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: there's like a really harsh winter, they collapse. They're not 342 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: reinforced with steel, right, and you know the whole um, 343 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: the whole you know, giant tree with the tunnel cut 344 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: out in the middle. No, tell me about you have 345 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: you seen this? I'm sure um in Yosemite is a 346 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: great place. But but like a lot lot of parks, 347 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, there was a time when it was like 348 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: totally fine to like feed garbage to bears and tout 349 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: a pathway through through the trees so you could drive 350 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: your car through, and uh, the tree eventually die, but 351 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: not because of the tunnel. Like the tree can survive that. 352 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: They're typically damaged by fire to the point where there's 353 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: a giant hole in the base anyway, but the cars 354 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: driving over the roots system like that. The root system 355 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: is pretty shallow, and that's one of the things that 356 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: really did it in. So that's one. You can't actually 357 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: walk up and, thank goodness, carved your name onto the 358 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: side of the giant Sekoya in Yosemite. So anyway, no, 359 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: I did not do that. I just respect very respectful name. 360 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Um I spray painted it, so it's not so um. 361 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: So Yeah, when when I when I read about people 362 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: looking to trees, and obviously they're not gonna it's not 363 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: gonna be that simplistic situation. But I can't help but 364 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: think that it's like, well, this is this is not 365 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: really a problem that nature has solved. It's not a 366 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: problem nature wants to solve, you know, So that that's 367 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: still there are the concept of looking to nature to 368 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: solve engineering problems is a really good one. Yeah, I 369 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: think it was it. But Minister Fuller, maybe I have 370 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: some memory of uh reading something once in which he 371 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: said that a structure can be perfect, but it's not 372 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: beautiful until it does have some sort of mimicry of 373 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: nature to it. Oh yeah, like you get into the 374 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: whole um um, you know, any kind of you know, 375 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: look at classical architecture. They were really big into the 376 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: the Golden mean and all that, you know, right right, Okay, 377 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: So bionic tower. There you go with that one. And 378 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: then another one in the works is Masdar City and 379 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi and that is going to be the first 380 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: carbon neutral city and it should be completed by and 381 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is to build a city 382 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: of fort abitants where of the water can be recycled 383 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: and cars will be banned and replaced by a personal 384 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: rapid trans transit system, which is a subterranean system using 385 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: cars powered by solar batteries. And that they look really cool, 386 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: I have to say, but I'm kind of picturing like 387 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: a little casket that you climb into and it's like 388 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: shoot shoots your you know, from the restaurant to your apartment. 389 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: So dark. Well, I mean it's more like a pod, 390 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: a casting pod, and it's white. Well that's not nightmarek 391 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: at all, No, not at all. I mean just bolting 392 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: you through a town, but it can carry somethinging three 393 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: to six people depending on the design and the ideas 394 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: that it could be shared by people. Um and asopp 395 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: as it could be sort of like a taxi cab 396 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: system too. But they actually have those in use at Pitha. 397 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: I believe they're testing them out, but they're not open 398 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: to the public. So that's one of the technologies that 399 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: we actually have in place right now, which is kind 400 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: of interesting to see that that's happening. Um. And then 401 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: there's another structure, of course in Dubai. It's called the 402 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: Crescent Hydropolis, and this is an instance where they're going 403 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: underground into the ocean and it's supposedly it's the world's 404 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: first luxury underwater hotel. I say supposedly just because it's 405 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: not because because there could be more under because they're underwater, 406 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: you can't see them. Yeah, I don't know. They could 407 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: be it could be a shack under their um but 408 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: there's supposed to be two hundred submarine suites and guests 409 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: will be arrived at a land station and then be 410 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: transported via a train. And it has a one point 411 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: one million square feet which includes a shopping mall, restaurants, 412 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: movie theaters, and oh, a missile defense system. Well, of course, yeah, 413 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: it's you gotta wonder like that was sort of the 414 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: impetus for the whole design first place. How can we 415 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: sell a missile defense system? Yeah? Yeah, what luxury boutique hotel? 416 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: And you know sixt under the water. Um. So there 417 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: are different ways that people are thinking about moving the population. 418 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean this obviously that's the luxury hotel that isn't 419 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: going to be. That's not a model that we could 420 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: use across the board to try to deal with our 421 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: population problems. But it's certainly a different way of thinking 422 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: about using the space that we have. Um. And then 423 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: that also we talked about this already, that the fact 424 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: that there is going to be a huge demand for food, 425 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: uh nine point five billion people. Like so again people 426 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: are looking up and saying vertical farming is the answer. 427 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: And uh, if you look at our model right now, agriculture, 428 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: we use like of fresh water resources and then we 429 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: render that most of that unsafe to drink because of pesticides, fertilizers, etcetera. 430 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: In there so, if you do a hydroponic system or 431 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: if you if you grow vertical farms, obviously you're not 432 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: having to pollute the nactual earth, and you get a 433 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: lot cleaner of a resource. And this that was a 434 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: really interesting stut that one square block farm once we're 435 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: about form thirty stories high, could yield as much food 436 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: as outdoor acres, which is yeah, crazy, And then supposedly 437 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: there's there's not as much spoilerg either there. They didn't 438 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: really go into why that is, and you know, I 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: was just sort of thinking, well, maybe that's just because 440 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: you reach outside of your window and you grab that 441 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: tomato or whatever and it's more visible. I don't know, 442 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: it's harvested better. But um so growing food in high 443 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: glass high rises could really like drastically reduce fossil fuel 444 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: missions and recycle wastewater. And this is an actual a 445 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: good logical way to try to deal with population growth 446 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: and and go up and a found our skyscrapers and 447 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: utilize them. Yeah, especially when I was thinking about this 448 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: too in an apocalyptic way too, not to not to 449 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: go dark, but I mean, if you do have all 450 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: of these buildings that are just empty husks sitting around, 451 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: why not try to to grow vertically up them? You know, 452 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: waste use as a surface. Yeah, it's better than using 453 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: it for you know, giant advertisements, which always irritates me. 454 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: Because there's like one particular building in Atlanta, uh and 455 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: I don't know the name of it. It's just it's 456 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: very visible when you're going up straight through the city 457 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: on the Connector. There's this old building and it's you know, 458 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: it's it's clearly just decrepit, and I think there's maybe 459 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: a parking lot at the bottom that they make money 460 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: off of. But it's an awesome old building. I love 461 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: looking at it. And there was a brief period where 462 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: they covered it with an advertisement like they do all 463 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: the time in New York, and I was I was heartbroken. 464 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's that's that's horrible, Like they 465 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: covered up this beautiful, ruinous building, which if if nothing else, 466 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: Atlanta has some great ruinous looking buildings. Like there's a 467 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: there's a current television show I'm sure everybody or a 468 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: lot of people are watching The Walking Dead, which is 469 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, zombie apocalypse thing, and they filmed it in Atlanta, 470 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: and it's great because the characters. It takes place like, 471 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, a few months after the zombie Apocalypse and 472 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: they're walking through really apocalyptic looking buildings. And of course 473 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: the take come here is that Atlanta already looked apocalyptic 474 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: because not enough time has passed in the show for 475 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: things to you know, turn into rubble. It's like, we 476 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: already have all that rubble around and all these like 477 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: really cool urban contested spaces. That's why they picked us. 478 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: We're not just all you know, Veranda's and and the 479 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 1: iced tea we've got. We've got some molten going on, 480 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: I guess you would say. But getting back to the 481 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: buildings of the future and and what might eventually become 482 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: some sort of crumbling building, you definitely need technology right 483 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: to support these models. And I'm thinking about the trams 484 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: between buildings and the personal transit systems, and I'm thinking 485 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: about like your favorite subject, jet packs. I'm kidding because 486 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I know that like they're the ban of your existence. 487 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: Never they're not the bane of my existence. I just 488 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: they're just so silly. Now, I mean, they're either're great. 489 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: I love the Rocketeer when it came out, but I 490 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: know they're silly. But I'm telling you, I think that 491 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: like in fifty years, they're going to be the best 492 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: bots up in the sky. You know, people are going 493 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: to be drinking their latte's with you know, little jet packs. 494 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: But in particularly because next year they're going to be 495 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: commercially released to the public and they're gonna start a 496 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Right, well, I'm gonna I need to 497 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: invest in like spinal replacement technology because I think a 498 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna get knows up. That's just 499 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: my prediction. I think you're right. I think that's not 500 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: a bad idea. Still flying around with martiniz that's a 501 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: pretty optimistic vision of the future, right, I mean you 502 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: have to think that's you know, in fifty years, a 503 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: hundred years, that could be a hundred thousand dollars will 504 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: be a dollar and everybody's gonna fee with their personal 505 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: jet packs flying around, And that's just a whole other 506 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: can of worms. But I mean, you need the technology, 507 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: right right if you're going to get vertical, I mean, 508 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: how else are you gonna pick the tomatoes off the skyscraper. 509 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: This presentation is brought to you by Intel Sponsors of Tomorrow. 510 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: Of course, one of the interesting things to keep in 511 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: mind about a lot of these plans is, you know, 512 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, you're gonna build a You're gonna 513 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: build a giant pyramid and jet hand. Great, who's going 514 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: to build it? Well? Maybe robots, it's the I mean 515 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: it's it's Japan. They love their their robots and are 516 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: generally at the forefront of of robotic technology. So the 517 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: ideas that you'll have robotic workers building these things, robotic 518 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: workers servicing these things, and possibly I mean nanotechnology in 519 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: the fabric of the thing itself, these you know, artificial 520 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: UH structures at at a very minute scale, right, I 521 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: mean imagine this like you you go to check in 522 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: to your residents right where you also work, you know, 523 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: and you never leave this building. It's you know, twenty 524 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: three right now, and maybe you're the robot who's checking 525 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: you in is actually has uh outfit, if you will, 526 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: made out of nanotubes that you couldn't mention there. And 527 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: those nanotubes are so super crazy sophisticated that they're that 528 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: they're actually pulling in photons into the photo voltaic cells 529 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: on there, and they're basically like solar panels because you're 530 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: in an all glass building, right, So even the robots 531 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: are recycling energy for you. So I mean, not only 532 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: are they checking you in and cooking your food and 533 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: pretty much doing everything for you so that you're you're 534 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: living the life of Riley on the floor. Yeah, but 535 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean they're they're providing your energy for you. Yeah. 536 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: It's basically stunny that it's kind of like the basic 537 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: concept between behind E. N. M. Banks culture series, where 538 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: we reach a point where robots basically do everything and 539 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: humans kind of yeah, yeah, and this you're telling me, 540 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: it made me feel so much better. It's that's the 541 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: benevolent version of the technological singularity, which in technological singularity 542 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: we can do an entire podcast on and well, just's 543 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: the idea that that machines reached the point the singularity 544 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: where they're smarter than us and it just keeps getting 545 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: bigger and bigger, and the distance between machine intellect and 546 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: human elect just expands exponentially, right, And it sounds very 547 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: sci fi, but it's actually an idea that's that's worth 548 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: looking into when in considering carefully, and it has to 549 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: do with More's law and all sorts of stuff that 550 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: again we could talk about later, but you have to 551 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: think that at least in three with that sort of 552 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: technology we have right now, that robots would play a 553 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: really big parton in our lives. So it's a I 554 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: like the idea that we would just we sit around 555 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: and they do everything for us, and we become this 556 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: benevolent culture that's trying to spread it to other uh planets? 557 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Pretty much? Yeah? Yeah, Okay, so 558 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: that's the lighthearted side of giant you know, machine driven 559 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: mega cultures. But yeah, and and there's some pros and 560 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: cons to this, Yeah, I mean the pros to having 561 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the sort of population growth or that denser populations would 562 00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: necessitate environmental solutions so potentially we could live greener. Then 563 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: there's humanity track record, right, Yeah, I mean I look 564 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: at the situation and I say, I don't know, these 565 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: these uh hypers, sky scrapers, they could just end up 566 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: being ghettos or you know, essentially mirror the way that 567 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: we already live culturally with all sorts of different strata 568 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: of socioeconomic conditions. Yeah, and it's I also have a 569 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: hard time, though, Like I have a hard time looking 570 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: up at like a normal skyscraper today like that, or 571 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, a really high rise apartment building and thinking 572 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: who are the people that live here? You know, are 573 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: that are there that many like surgeons and lawyers that 574 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: can occupy this uh, this pristine real estate. You know, Um, 575 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: we're not pristine, but joy, I guess it's Christine. It's 576 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: probably clean up there. Um, you know, who are these people? 577 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: And then when I start thinking about like these giant skyscrapers, 578 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: like who are who are these people living in there? 579 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: What do they do for a living within the skyscraper? 580 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: They never leave, you know, unless you have this situation 581 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: where people don't have to do anything, and that of 582 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: course comes with its share of utopian problems as well, 583 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: right right, And I'm for any theater geeks out there too. 584 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you're in town in which the you know, 585 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: the the head of this corporation um, lives at the 586 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: very top of this giant structure, and they've had a 587 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: twenty year drought. Their sewer system is crazy. They just 588 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: have very little water resources and people have to start 589 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: paying to go to the bathroom. And so again it's 590 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: like Metropolis where you've got the fat cats at the top, 591 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: the you know, the corporate tycoons, and the lowlies at 592 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: the bottom, you know, as leaves we toiling. It reminds 593 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: me a lot um into talking about sort of pessimistic 594 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: views of what these like this kind of life on 595 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: the five floor we consist of. There's a San Francisco artist. 596 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: He's dead now, but his name's Irving Norman, and uh, 597 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: do look him up because he created this this fabulous 598 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: Nightmarck visions. You know, he was he was like a 599 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: huge he was Spanish born. He was a huge critic 600 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: of of where the country was going in the twentieth 601 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: century and where and when what capitalism was going to 602 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: do um to society and uh, and so he created 603 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: these There's one particular like tryptic that's uh in Uh. 604 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: You can you can see if you go to the 605 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: Art Museum there in San Francisco, where it's just these 606 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: massive skyscrapers and it's just like miserable, like soul is 607 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: looking people occupying little cells and uh. And if you 608 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: in in the higher portions of the building, and then 609 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: if you look at the base of the building in 610 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: the basement, it's like just assembly lines of like human misery, 611 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: and it's it's like I say, beautiful nightmaric stuff. And 612 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a nice counterweight to the whole 613 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, flying around with your martini and a with 614 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: a jet pack and you know, taking your Wonka vad 615 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: or up to the restaurant on the on the dining deck. 616 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: So I feel like you're apocalypse. That's that's a good 617 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: one to go to. Yeah, a little little apocalyptic sort 618 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: of in a different way. I suppose. I was also 619 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: thinking about the antithesis of this, which is Thomas Kincaid, 620 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: the Painter of Lights. Are you familiar with his work? 621 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: It's just the like to describe a piece formula. It's 622 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: crazy popular. Like I heard something on the other day 623 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: that he's in like one out of every twenty homes 624 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: in some fashions, that a lot of like really pale 625 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: looking women holding like things that are glowing, no, like 626 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: really blown out, like white looking. No, but that these 627 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: are paintings, and these are like these really nostalgic paintings. 628 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: He's called the Painter of Lights, and it's usually snowy scenes, 629 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, nineteen hundreds or what would appear to be 630 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: like the nineteen hundreds, Um, you know, the night stars twinkling, 631 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: and you know, it doesn't really actually depict the nineteen 632 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: hundreds as they wore. It's it's more of like this 633 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: imagic history of simpler times, and you know, it's our 634 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: our penchant for creating these false histories for ourselves. So 635 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I was sort of thinking, Okay, in the in the 636 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: benevolent version that we have of the future or robot 637 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: are doing everything for us, and we become these these 638 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: great benevolent creatures trying to um share our our robotic 639 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: wealth with the galaxy that we pine for yesteryear and 640 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: that we you know, even though we've got all these trips, 641 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: plan to go to Mars in the moon um and 642 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: those are super fantastic things that we still can't help 643 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: but look back and idealize the past. And so I 644 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: was thinking about, like this Thomas Kincaid like pictures, like 645 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: what would they look like of where we are in 646 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: would it would be like an office scene instead of 647 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: snow that you'd have the concrete like being all per lescented, 648 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: and the glow from the from our screens like you know, 649 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: like this candlelight glow and people in the future will 650 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: look back. It was just so much easier. Yeah, I 651 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's interesting too that you pointed out 652 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: because we're talking about idealized visions of the past and 653 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: this whole podcast has been about basically for the most 654 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: part idealized visions of the future. It's the same movement, uh, 655 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: in in a different direction. Um, don't get quantum ammy. No, No, 656 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm just a you know, we're basically talking about the 657 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: same sort of thing where we're where. It's also I've 658 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: heard it compared like science fiction is is a you know, 659 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: it's a fantastic future and it's and then fantasy Uh 660 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: fiction is the same, the same movement but in reverse 661 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: looking into the past like a fantastic vision of the path. Anyway, 662 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: it's no, no, I know, I know what you're saying. 663 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Like you're even bringing up the Frank Lloyd right earlier 664 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: of the Illinois the the um fictional skyscraper that Frank Lloyd, 665 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: And there's there's something nostalgic about looking at at that. 666 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: That's what like he designed that to be five thousand 667 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: ft tall or something. Yeah, it was gonna be yeah, 668 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: five thousand two feet tall like durn near a mile 669 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: high and uh and it's pretty visionary. Uh go to Uh. 670 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: In fact, if listening to this now, you can go 671 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: to the blogs. I'm going to post this awesome video. 672 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: But that someone did for um a Googenheim exhibit, and 673 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: it's like a three D model of what this would 674 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: have looked like had it been built and how it 675 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: rates with the other existing skyscrapers. Right. But yeah, it's 676 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: very if you look at it now and it's it's 677 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: this interesting, it's kind of like science fiction. It's where um, 678 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, right, thought we might be in the future. Right, 679 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: he didn't think about all the elevators. It was going 680 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: to say, no, yeah, there were some three definite problems 681 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: with the engineering on that building. Yeah, that's why architects 682 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: and engineers they just it's always budding heads. I know, 683 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: look at falling Water that that needed a little help 684 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: from the engineers. So yeah, there you go. Nostalgia. That's 685 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: how it happens. To talk about the future and you 686 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: get all nostalgic. Speaking of past and future. We do 687 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: have some listener mail from the present for now. So 688 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: we have one listener by the name of Oscar, and 689 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: Oscar right in every now and then, and he just 690 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: really he's one of these these listeners who really shares 691 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: his his mind. Yeah, and he's got some really thought 692 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: provoking ideas. Yeah, and he knows that we cannot read everything. 693 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: He sends us because it's he gives us a lot 694 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: of data. But I wanted to read a little a bit. 695 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: He was a responding to our recent podcast Alien Etiquette 696 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: one oh one, in which we discuss um what kind 697 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: of information we're providing aliens within, what information we should 698 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: provide them with potentially and and how and what kind 699 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: of processes need to be involved in preparing to speak 700 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: to aliens, should their presence right? And how people are 701 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: trying to legislate that right now even though this is 702 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: just sort of this idea there in the ether. Yeah, 703 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: so Oscar shared some thoughts, he said regarding content. I 704 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: think lawyers and politicians should keep as far away from 705 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: that project as possible, mainly because they both based their 706 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: careers on twisting word, selfish use of information, and strong 707 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: personal greed not something to be shared. Really. I have 708 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: always thought that artists would not be a very good 709 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: choice either, since, as you mentioned, no matter how much 710 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: of the human essence they managed to capture, the information 711 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: only makes sense within our human context. Love, friendship, selfishness 712 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: are considered to be different things, even when in our 713 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: own communities, not to different cultures and or times. Until 714 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: a more objective you un abstractions can be obtained. We 715 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: should try to avoid those two, if only to avoid 716 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: confusion on first meetings. That would leave science. It is 717 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: the best way to make our first approach, and math 718 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: is the way to go here here Oscar, Yeah, talk 719 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: to the aliens with math. I think that makes the 720 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: most sense, though it also brings in share problems as 721 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: we discussed in that podcast. Yes, some logistical things going 722 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: on there, right, so hey, be sure to check out 723 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: Tom Harris's amazing article how Skyscrapers Work that goes into 724 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: all the engineering problems and solutions inherent in building something 725 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: that tall and uh and it's really it's really a 726 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: great article. This I think may have been one of 727 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: the first house stuff Works articles that I read personally, 728 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: uh Lena, way before I actually became employed here. And 729 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: then Jacob Silverman has an article called where will there 730 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: be Farms in New York City Skyscrapers which goes into 731 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: some of the vertical farming issues that we've been talking 732 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: about in the Hydroponica. Be sure check out our Facebook 733 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: and Twitter pages. 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