WEBVTT - Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai Talks Evolution of AI, Antitrust Suits, Privacy 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.000 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.639 The CEO of Alphabet and Google, Sindhar Pachai, is here 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:25.600 with us. Let's welcome Sindar to the stage. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.160 Thank you so much for being here. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.040 We talked last year about a year ago on the circuit, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.199 so it's really good to catch up. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:33.280 Good to ceogain. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.519 Starting with the most important question, did you come in 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:36.960 a way moo? 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.239 I would have loved to. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.960 We are still working on making sure they're safe and 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.839 can get through freebays. We're making great progress, but hopefully 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.960 same time next year, I can do it all the 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:50.800 way from Mountain Review. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.279 All right, I'm gonna hold you to it. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.760 So I just want to start with a vibe check 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:55.920 post io. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.920 I feel like we saw a slightly. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:03.360 More confident and cohesion of Google. How would you describe it? 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:03.600 Like? 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.680 Are you getting better at choosing your own dance music? 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:08.840 Look? 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.960 I think when you undertake a set of things, you 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.160 know it takes time, but you know internally we have 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.759 known all of this was in progress. We've been training Gemini, 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.520 releasing versions every few months. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.440 I think two point five. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.800 Was a real breakthrough in terms of capabilities, and it's 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.120 at the frontier of where the models are and so 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.920 putting that in our products across our suite of products. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.560 I think that's what makes the story come alive. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.520 So candidly, I'm using chatbots more and I'm using Google less. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:42.720 Maybe you are too. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.240 What is the fate of search in a world of 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 AI agents and personalized answers? 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.960 Is it evolution or extinction? 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.640 Look, people have been asking this question now for a 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.080 couple of years. You've had these chatboards scale up to 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:05.080 hundreds of millions of users. We've grown in querries, So 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.519 I think it feels very far from a zero sum 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.800 game to me to use other areas in parallel. Like 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.640 TikTok came in, everybody started using TikTok. YouTube grew and 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.600 did very very well in those moments too. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.160 So you know, I do think. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.520 Search is very very good at what it does. Empirically, 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.799 people value it for what it does, and they're actually 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.840 showing it by using it. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.840 More So, investors are clamoring to know where you haven't 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.480 shared the specifics. How much money are you pouring into 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.480 AI and how much money are you actually making from AI? 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.240 Well, I mean, in twenty twenty five, our capex is 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.600 seventy five billion dollars, right, so we are definitely investing 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.720 for the long run. But you know it's the same 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:01.799 investment which powers businesses from search to YouTube, to cloud, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.359 to workspace, to Android and play to way more right 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.800 and so and to our subscriptions business. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.160 We just launched. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.040 Google AI Pro and Ultra and you know it's definitely 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.880 doing well. I mean pleased to see the reception. So 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.840 I think it's such a profound technology. I feel the 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.520 opportunity ahead is bigger than the opportunity we had in. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.079 The taxt So to double click there, if I may, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.880 what specific new revenue streams do you see increasing and 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.560 what revenue streams do you see decreasing? 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.280 There is look, I mean. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.800 Our entire between the growth in cloud like Vertex AI 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.840 is up forty x in usage on a token basis. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.000 Just in the last twelve months. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.960 So obviously you know we have billions of dollars in 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:02.360 providing AI based solutions, in AI as an infrastructure, AI subscriptions, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.440 so there are many many new businesses. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.840 YouTube and the web more broadly is being overrun with 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.120 AI generated content. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.880 What effect is that having on Google products and services? 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.719 Are you finding you need to allocate more resources to 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.799 filter out the low quality content. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.279 I mean, look, anytime there are these technological inflection points, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.520 it's always a cat and mouse game, right, So the 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.039 new technology creates new opportunity, more people can create content, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.560 but you also have a rise in low quality content. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:39.320 I think moments like this. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.480 Is what we actually it's what Google is good at, right, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.200 separating finding the needle in the haystack, making sure you 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.400 surface the higher quality content. We are using Gemini to 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.799 help improve YouTube's recommendations, so we're using AI to help 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.200 improve how we did at content at Scrive. You know, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.960 there are good content being created using AI as well, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.040 so we're just trying to elevate high quality content. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.320 There is a lot of anxiety out there about the 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.919 health of the open web, you know AI, as you 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.920 just relies on the good stuff, like it relies on 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.640 high quality content. As you push further into AI generated content, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.400 does that undermine the entire system? Like does the web 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.799 become just a watered down version of itself? 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.120 Look, it's another area. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.520 You know people have had questions about the web now 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.320 for the past ten twenty years, Right, I said. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:36.919 This during IO. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.320 But if you look at the index we index the web, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.880 the number of web pages that we are indexing is 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.160 up forty five percent just in the last two years alone. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.720 What about the last two months. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.479 Ah, there's just definitely people are creating a lot more content. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.719 I do think, you know, creation is getting easier, not 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.440 just in web across you know, if you look at YouTube, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.600 the amount of content is exploding, right, And so I 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.520 do think as content creator you have to think about many, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.120 many modalities, platforms, etc. But the opportunity space gets bigger. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.840 You've said AI overviews are good for publishers. The publishers 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.760 we talk to say, it's tragic. Studies show drop and 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.200 click through rates. I'm not always I don't always click 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.560 through when I see ANAI overview. You're answering the question 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.600 for me right there on Google publishers say they can't 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:30.680 opt out or they might be. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.599 De indexed from Google entirely. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.640 So what is the concrete evidence that this is actually 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.000 good for them and not just good for Google? 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:41.480 Look a few things. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.720 I mean, I think compared to most companies in the world, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.800 we take care to design experiences which is going to 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.640 showcase links right, and it's we took a long time 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:58.440 testing aioviews and prioritized approaches which result in high quality 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.039 traffic out. I'm confident that many years from now, that's 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.840 how Google will work, right, Like you know, we think 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.000 the value proposition in Google is people come. Yes, sometimes 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.680 they may get answers. That was true when we launched 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:17.679 featured snippets many years ago. But people come back. People 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.040 are curious, people are expanding their use cases, and people 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.920 do seek out sources on the web, and we are 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:29.320 going to prioritize approaches. Obviously with AIO aviews, the quality improves, 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.600 the context we are giving users improve. What we are 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.160 seeing is people are clicking and going to a more 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.880 diverse set of websites, and they are spending more time 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.760 on average per click. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.720 You announced new spectacles at io. Maybe Google Glass was 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:46.120 ahead of. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.480 Its time, but I'm curious what evidence you have that 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.400 we really want to put computers on my faces now, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.520 on our faces now, and give tech companies even more 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.520 of our information. 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.400 Ultimately, you know, you could have asked questions like this 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:09.880 about driverless cars, right. Ultimately, it's the people who choose 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.880 what they want to do, right, and so you will 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.960 only succeed in these things if you're building something delightful. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.960 I am wearing glasses right now, right. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.520 So for me, they don't have a camera in them, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:21.800 do this. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.240 They don't And they don't have a display in them. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.520 They don't have audio in them. But if he could 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.760 make something which is no additional cost for me, but 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.800 when I wanted to, it's going to give me important information, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.920 make it more useful, my life gets better. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.840 Look, I've been playing around with ar glasses. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.480 In fact, I was talking with a friend who had 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.440 it on and shot basketball and he had an air ball, 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.080 and it told him like that was a bad air ball. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.920 Right, So look, and he still wants to wear them. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.160 He found the experience delightful. You know, this natural instinct 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:00.760 was like, what should I be doing better? 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:01.120 Right? 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.439 And so you're going to have these things. Be a companion, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.160 be a coach, all of it. So I think I think, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.600 I think we have to do it tastefully, but if 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.960 done correctly, I think people will respond positively. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.480 But Johnny, I've sam Altman Alliance. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:22.319 It seemed perfectly time to crash your io party. Did 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.760 that rain on your parade a little? And are you 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:25.880 at all worried? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.640 Look, I mean I expect in this moment to be 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.280 that there'll be a lot of innovation, right, you know, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.680 enormous respect for what Johnny has done, and I'm looking 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.360 forward to seeing what new computing devices are on the horizon. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.080 Mark Zuckerberg has said that almost all of Lama's code 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.680 will be AI generated very soon. Sacha Nadella has said 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.839 it's as much as thirty five percent for Microsoft right now. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.920 You've said twenty five percent last year. I believe you 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.040 said that that of Google's code. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:58.920 Is AI generated. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.199 You have over one hundred and eighty thousand employees right now. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.760 Is it half that in the future. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:12.720 Look, I expect we will grow from our current engineering 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.880 pace even into next year, right because it allows us 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.760 to do more, right, I think the opportunity space is 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.680 also increasing. I just view this as making engineers dramatically 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.559 more productive, getting a lot of the mundane aspects out 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.520 of what they do, allowing them to spend on higher 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.720 value added tasks. But that means it's an accelerator. People 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.320 will be able to do more, which means maybe we'll 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.440 create new products and hence we will need more people, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.560 at least in the near term. To me, it looks like, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.680 you know, we will expand engineering velocity, and that doesn't 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.760 mean we're constrained in what we will do. We'll end 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.280 up doing more as a company as well. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:58.600 What about the long term? 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.760 Look, I mean, I mean long horizontally. As a technology, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:08.120 it's tough to predict all all efforts of it long term. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.760 Just the fact that today sixty percent of the jobs 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:18.560 today didn't exist in nineteen forty right at least why 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.160 I'm mighty study by an economist called David Order. Right, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.480 So it is so tough to sit at any given time. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.679 I was just looking at YouTube in India. There are 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.760 one hundred million channels in India alone, there are fifteen 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.880 thousand channels with one million subscribers. Just imagine describing this 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.200 world to someone in India fifteen years ago. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.480 It would make no sense. So, you know, I don't 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:45.760 want to. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.040 You know, I think it's a bit pointless to think 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:53.280 that far ahead. But I think we underestimate how expansionary 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:53.960 this moment is. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.360 So this isn't too far ahead. So I hope you'll 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:56.800 humor me. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.160 But anthropic CEO says AI could eliminate fifty percent of 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.000 white collar jobs in the next five years, unemployment rising 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:10.439 to ten to twenty percent do you agree? 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.040 Look, I think we should take those concerns super seriously. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.600 Right with this technology to my earlier point about new 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.920 jobs getting created, you're going to create new opportunities. I 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.480 look at something like VO three with video, it's clear 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.000 to me you're going to allow pretty much everyone in 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:33.199 the world to be a sophisticated creator. I can't sit 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.200 in linearly like you know, imagine all the impact of 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.480 that will be right, So you're creating all these new opportunities. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.640 You have tremendous positive externalities. You know, we will tackle 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.240 tough vexing problems, make progress on areas like cancer, right, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:56.640 you know all that, educate a lot more people as 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.520 part of that. You know there could be job display 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.160 in Those are serious concerns. So as a society you 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.520 have to think about how do you reskill people? What 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.720 are new social safety nets that you would need? Those 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.640 are super important conversations for society to have. But I 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.960 think being too specific and saying that many jobs of 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.439 you know, I just don't see that. We've made predictions 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.560 like that for the last twenty years about technology and automation. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.760 It hasn't quite played out that way. Yep, But I 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:32.160 do I respect that. You know, I think it's important 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.280 to voice those concerns and debate them, and. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.240 I think that those are important conversations to have. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.160 In two trials now, judges have said that Google is 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.520 a monopoly in search and partly a monopoly in ads. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:45.880 How do you address the. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.480 Concern that your AI is built on an existing domination 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.120 of search and ads and that this is just reinforcing 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:54.479 original monopolies. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.080 First of all, you know, we disagree with the rulings, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.480 and we are in the process of appealing these things. Look, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.240 if anything, this moment has shown I don't think there's 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.360 anyone here who is using anything they don't want to use. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.760 You look at the success of chat, JPD or any 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.800 other product. People are literally have more choice than ever before. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.040 The reason people use Google is because they want to 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.120 use it, right, And so I think I think we 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:29.120 continue to innovate. I think choice is good for users, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.520 competition is good for the world. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.240 So that's how I say it. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.560 You've said the remedies proposed are too extreme. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:42.120 Would you ever voluntarily break yourself up control your own destiny? 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.400 Look, I mean I see, I mean those are they 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.040 seem compared to what the initial scope of the ruling 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.480 was some of the proposed solutions are far overreaching. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.480 We'll see how it plays out. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.680 I look at the amount of we spent over fifty 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.360 billion dollars in R and D last year. We are 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.400 one of the top R and D investors in the world. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.560 We take such a lot. We didn't build things like chrome, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.960 and you know, we've invested a couple of decades into 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.680 these way more we've been building it over a decade. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.800 We've been doing that with quantum computing for over a decade. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.440 This amount of R and D, this amount of innovation, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.920 I think makes sense to do, and we take a 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:25.680 long term view. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.400 So that's how I think about it. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.000 I've heard you say a few times that you think 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.960 of AI as an expansionary moment, but so far it 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.320 does seem to be favoring tech giants and well funded 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.920 startups with access to GPUs and data centers. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.880 And enormous amounts of capital. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.840 Like, isn't this really concentrating power in fewer hands? 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.400 And is AI just another winner take all game? 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:56.160 Look, I think there are you know, well, I'm confident 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.800 there is a company that's going to be created with AI, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.520 just like when they Internet happened many years after the 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:07.040 Internet happened, Googled didn't exist. So you know, there's no 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.360 doubt to me that three years from now there will 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.480 be a company which will be dominant in this AI 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.720 age which we don't even know the name of today. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.520 That's the only way things work in the future, right. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.640 So you have all this information about us, and I 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:26.640 mean you have our deepest, darkest secrets. It's it's already 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.520 hard to me personal Well yeah, actually you do, not 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.880 you personally, but your company does. It's already hard to 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.880 trust big tech, and now you're going to be using 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.240 more of this information to integrate AI and to more 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.160 personalized experiences. Why should we trust you now more than 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:43.880 ever before? 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.960 I mean, we earned the trust by you know, we've 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.760 been storing people's emails now for many, many years, but 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:58.200 we've handled that content responsibly. I hope we protected from 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.680 bad actors. We fight against un warranted requests. So I 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.280 think more than any other company, I think we've we've 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.080 taken you know, this is a responsibility. People trust us 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.520 in those moments, and we are only evolving the products 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.760 in the way people are telling us, you know, with 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.200 their feedback. Look, they you know, the biggest thing people 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.920 ask with Gemini and Gmail is why can't it write 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:21.520 more like me? 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.679 It's a it's an ask which we are responding. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:30.159 To Google's rolling out Gemini to kids. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.400 I mean, I've got enough on my parenting with more screen. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.320 Time and social media. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.240 Are our kids best friends going to be chatbots? 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.480 Look, there's always going to be a sense of discomfort 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.960 with new technology. I don't know, like when online dating 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.520 first game, people who ask questions like are you really 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:51.720 going to meet someone online? 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.520 And so people adapt to these things. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:00.000 Will people comfortably naturally interact with AI in their life 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.520 in the future, Yes, Like we're seeing it empirically in 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.960 terms of how people are using them, Like I see 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.560 people coming to Gemini asking questions Like at an aggregate, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.080 we see questions like how should I prepare. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:15.720 For this interview? All? 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.359 I mean, they're talking as if it's a companion. So 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.439 we do see evidence of that. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.680 What about kids? Like Gemini for kids? 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.119 Maybe with kids, just like you know today, when we 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.160 design YouTube for kids, we design it with a different 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.480 set of gudrails, and so for kids, I think, you know, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.119 you would scope it down to those appropriate experiences. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.160 Obviously, you just unveiled VO three, which you were talking. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.240 I mean, it is mind blowing seeing these super super 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.480 lifelike videos, but it is also really scary. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.320 Is this the end of truth as we know it? 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.680 I think this is part of the role when you ask, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.359 I think this is part of the value proposition. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:58.480 This is why people. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.080 Will come to places like Google, because they're trying to 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.080 ascertain what's reality. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:03.960 Right and this is not? 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.879 And I do think it's well, we are going to 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:12.320 evolve new norms around. For example, with vieo, we are 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:17.560 watermarking videos. They are built with syntide so people can 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.840 detect that they were generated. With vio you can upload 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.240 any video to Google and ask about any image to Google. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.080 Ask about this image and it would tell you if 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.720 it was generated by VO three. We built a syntidi 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:35.080 detector for researchers and journalists. So you know, all these 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.440 things are going to evolve in parallel. Down the line, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.679 we will need regulations maybe to say something which is 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.359 a true deep fax, just like your financial fraud. You know, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.760 you would need new norms around things like that. So 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.200 all you know, we have to evolve. As new technology 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:50.840 comes along. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.359 They just wonder like, are we gonna have a shared 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.800 sense of reality again, Like it's just like this is 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:56.879 made with AI. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:57.760 It's insane. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.720 I think so, like you know how I think humans 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.600 as humanity, we would value that shad sense of reality, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:09.359 and so you would, you know, you would value human 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.760 human experiences even more in the future. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.400 Right. That's that's how I think about it. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.399 YouTube is arguably the most influential media platform in the 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.360 world now. I mean, it is a political force, it's 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.680 a cultural force. Our kids are learning there. All kids 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.920 think they want to be creators. Seventy five percent of teenagers, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.440 I believe, say they're watching it every single day. I'm 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.879 a mom, you're a dad, Like, I know you're in 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.960 charge of the thing, but does it ever terrify you 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:35.719 to have that much power? 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:41.720 Okay, I mean I I think that sense of part 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.239 is an illusion. I think like when you're working in 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.640 the tech industry, you know, you've simultaneously started with the 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.359 conversation with like, are you about to go extinct? And 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.960 then you're ending the conversation with aren't you the most 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.760 powerful thing? Like, so you've got to choose in discussion 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.760 of only one of that can be the truth? 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:11.720 Fair enough, I'm curious about your approach to the Trump administration. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.080 You are front and center at the inauguration. Google has 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.640 rolled back some of its DEI policies. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.720 Did you compromise on something that you believe in? 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:30.480 Look, first of all, you know, we are one of 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:35.119 the leading American companies, global companies in this particular moment, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.000 with the point of inflection around AI, I do think 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.719 the next few years are critical from many aspects. So 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.800 we are committed to engage in comment. We did that 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.920 with the first Trump administration. We are committed to doing that. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.480 Look around the world, you know, we comply with laws 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.720 and regulations in all the countries we operate in. Doesn't 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.040 mean we agree with every aspect of everything, right, but 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.440 as a company, we do have our set of values 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.080 and like so we have committed to. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:04.720 Them as well. 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.320 So I think, for example, as a company, I think 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:13.159 we have committed to making sure we develop AI in 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.880 a way that protects the planet. 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:16.760 That's an important value for us. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:22.080 And you've seen as prioritize efforts around renewable energy. So 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.800 we'll continue doing those things. But Look, but I think 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.960 it's important that as a company we engage. You know, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.840 there are many, many people in the administration, particularly around 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:36.120