WEBVTT - Burning Objects

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to It could happen here. I

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<v Speaker 2>am once again your guest host, Molly Conger, and today

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you about something that is happening

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<v Speaker 2>here here being my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia. You might

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the news recently that Patriot Front leader Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Russo was arrested in Texas on an out of

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<v Speaker 2>state felony warrant. On February twenty third, authorities in McLennan County, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>arrested Rousseau and booked him into the county jail. The

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<v Speaker 2>jail roster lists the offense as burn object to intimidate

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<v Speaker 2>OH slash s that OS means out of state, and

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<v Speaker 2>it lists Virginia as the state issuing the warrant. And

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<v Speaker 2>Rousseau's arrest certainly made a splash when the news hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi telegram channels lit up with posts about his arrest.

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<v Speaker 2>Gab feeds were flooded with hastily made graphics decrying this

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<v Speaker 2>political persecution. This sudden spike and interest in a little

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<v Speaker 2>used Virginia Code section might make you think Russeau was

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<v Speaker 2>the first person to be taken into custody on this

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<v Speaker 2>charge that perhaps he was targeted for arrest in some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of grand political plan to take him out of

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<v Speaker 2>the game. But he is in fact the eleventh person

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<v Speaker 2>to be arrested in just the last year for participating

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<v Speaker 2>in the Tiki Torch march at the University of Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>on August eleventh, twenty seventeen. These cases have been working

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<v Speaker 2>their way through the system here for long enough that

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<v Speaker 2>some of Russeau's Code defendants have not only already been

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty, they've served their time and gotten back out.

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<v Speaker 2>But with this sudden surge and interest in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give you all a little background on

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<v Speaker 2>the other ten. If you'll indulge me for a moment, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to read you something I wrote nearly a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago, just as the first cases were being unsealed.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no statute of limitations on felonies in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>With that in mind, here's section eighteen point two Dash

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<v Speaker 2>four twenty three point oh one Dash B of the

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<v Speaker 2>Code of Virginia. Burning objects on property of another or

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<v Speaker 2>a highway or other public place with intent to intimidate

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<v Speaker 2>any person who with the intent of intimidating any person

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<v Speaker 2>or group of persons burns an object on a highway

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<v Speaker 2>or other public place in a manner having a direct

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<v Speaker 2>tendency to place another person in reasonable fear or apprehension

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<v Speaker 2>of death or bodily injury is guilty of a Class

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<v Speaker 2>six felony. On August eleventh, twenty seventeen, hundreds of torch

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<v Speaker 2>bearing marchers traversed the grounds of the University of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd come to Charlottesville from across the country, taking Friday

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<v Speaker 2>morning flights or taking turns at the wheel for cross

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<v Speaker 2>country drives, and rented vans with guys they met on

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<v Speaker 2>message boards. Arriving early before the big event. The following morning,

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<v Speaker 2>they gathered at Nameless Field, a grassy acre near the

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<v Speaker 2>Via tennis courts with a deceptive name, and distributed tiki torches.

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<v Speaker 2>Men with walkie talkies clipped to their belts, some with

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<v Speaker 2>wired earpieces, barked orders. Elliott Kleine, an ambitious young white

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<v Speaker 2>nationalist organizer calling himself Eli Moseley to the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 2>British fascist Oswald Mosley, shouted at the crowd as they

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<v Speaker 2>formed into a line or picking big guys, no females.

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<v Speaker 2>Klein and his security team would be selecting the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>marshers to lay down their torches and keep the perimeter

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<v Speaker 2>as the march moved through the university grounds, they might

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<v Speaker 2>need their hands free. The march wound its way through grounds,

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<v Speaker 2>up the lawn, then up the steps of the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Virginia's iconic rotunda. On the other side of the rotunda,

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<v Speaker 2>gathered near the statue of Thomas Jefferson, a small group

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<v Speaker 2>of anti racist protesters waited. In her testimony during a

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<v Speaker 2>later civil trial, one of the women who was terrorized

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<v Speaker 2>that night said of the sound of the approaching crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>When we heard the roaring, we just linked arms and

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<v Speaker 2>held hands and started to sing. She said. At first

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<v Speaker 2>it sounded like thunder, like the earth was growling. As

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<v Speaker 2>they grew closer, but before she could see the light

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<v Speaker 2>of the torches, she began to make out the chance

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of voices raised in Unison, shouting blood and soil.

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<v Speaker 2>Testifying about that night four years later, she said she

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<v Speaker 2>could still hear it sometimes in her nightmares, and by

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<v Speaker 2>the time the small group of mostly students realized the

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<v Speaker 2>magnitude and ferocity of the approaching mob, it was too late.

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<v Speaker 2>They were surrounded fully encircled at the base of the

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<v Speaker 2>statue by hundreds of torch wielding white supremacists for a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes, minutes that those trapped at the base of

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<v Speaker 2>the statue said they believed might be their last. As

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<v Speaker 2>they were doused in lighter fluid, maced, and punched. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a melee. The police made no move to intervene,

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<v Speaker 2>as streams of pepper spray were let loose and cries

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<v Speaker 2>of medic were audible above the roar of you will

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<v Speaker 2>not replace us. When the trapped counter protesters were finally

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<v Speaker 2>able to flee, stumbling blindly with burning eyes and covering

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<v Speaker 2>their heads in a hail storm of fists and torches,

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<v Speaker 2>the marchers declared victory. Richard Spencer, an organizer of that

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<v Speaker 2>weekend's rally, climbed the base of the statue and delivered

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<v Speaker 2>a victory speech to the still roaring crow out now

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<v Speaker 2>shouting hail, victory, Hail Spencer. Spencer told them, we occupy

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<v Speaker 2>this ground. We won.

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<v Speaker 3>Girls, are all right, all right? All right? Were these

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<v Speaker 3>freaks on these rights.

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<v Speaker 4>By this ground?

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<v Speaker 3>We only one?

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<v Speaker 4>What in the hell are we doing out here? What

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<v Speaker 4>in the hell are we doing risking our lives. Are

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<v Speaker 4>were risking our lives, for our people, for our ancestors,

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<v Speaker 4>for our future. That's how we're doing what you're think

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<v Speaker 4>an antick arts long, you're thinking antibuck and feed.

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<v Speaker 2>The marchers dispersed to their various hotels, campgrounds and airbnbs.

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer later said cheekly that he booked his under the

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<v Speaker 2>pseudonym literally Hitler. They had to rest up for the

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<v Speaker 2>real battle in the morning, and while they slept, a

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<v Speaker 2>young man from Ohio was driving through the night, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>already knowing that his gray Dodge Challenger would be impounded

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<v Speaker 2>as a murder weapon. Before he slept again, he checked

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter and retweeted a post David Duke had tweeted images

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<v Speaker 2>of the Torch March celebrating the alt right success that

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<v Speaker 2>evening with the caption our people on the march, will

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<v Speaker 2>you be at Unite the Right tomorrow. As he left

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio that evening, the young man and the Dodge Challenger

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<v Speaker 2>got a text from his mother, a text weave all

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<v Speaker 2>probably gotten from our mothers. She said, be careful and

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<v Speaker 2>James Alex Fields Junior, in one of the last texts

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<v Speaker 2>he sent before a lifetime behind bars, replied to his

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<v Speaker 2>mother with a photograph of Hitler and the words we

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<v Speaker 2>are not the ones who need to be careful. Years later,

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<v Speaker 2>the word Charlesville has become synonymous with those two fused images,

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<v Speaker 2>Fields's mangled challenger and an iconic photo of the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>torches and hands the rotunda at their backs. Fields was

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<v Speaker 2>convicted both in state and federal court of Heather Hire's

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<v Speaker 2>murder and multiple counts of aggravated malicious wounding. Daniel Bordon,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Ramos, Jacob Goodwin, and Tyler Watkins went away for

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<v Speaker 2>a brutal gang beating of a young black man. Richard Preston,

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<v Speaker 2>an imperial wizard in the Ku Klux Klan, did some

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<v Speaker 2>time for discharging his firearm in the general direction of

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<v Speaker 2>another young black man while shouting die and word. But

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<v Speaker 2>all in all, for all the violence of both days,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a curious reluctance to bring charges for anything

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't rise to the level of attempted murder, and

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<v Speaker 2>some things that did. There are thousands of photographs videos

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<v Speaker 2>from every conceivable angle taken by victims, bystanders, professional photojournalists,

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<v Speaker 2>and even the marchers themselves. Their faces are uncovered, their

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<v Speaker 2>motives are clear, and the law is fairly straightforward, but

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Virginia lies within the jurisdiction of Albemarle County.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty seventeen, Apemwal County commonwealths Attorney Robert Tracy chose

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<v Speaker 2>not to bring any burning objects cases under Section eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>point two Dash four twenty three. He didn't think he

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<v Speaker 2>could make a case against the tiki torch mob, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he didn't want to. The commonwealths Attorney for the

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<v Speaker 2>City of Charlesville all the time, Dave Chapman, wrote in

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<v Speaker 2>a memo in October of that year that he did

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<v Speaker 2>believe the cases could be made, but they weren't his

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecute. But in Virginia, prosecutors come and go, and

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<v Speaker 2>a felony lives forever. In a October twenty nineteen debate

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<v Speaker 2>between then sitting Prosecutor Robert Tracy and his challenger, Jim Hinchley,

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy again scoffed at the idea of indicting these cases,

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<v Speaker 2>even saying that Hindley's belief that it was possible was

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<v Speaker 2>a sign he was inexperienced and wrong for the job.

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<v Speaker 2>A month later, Hineley won the election, and now it

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<v Speaker 2>seems he's trying to make good on his campaign promise

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<v Speaker 2>of proving Robert Tracy wrong. In February twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>the Albumole County Commonwealth's Atorney's office quietly sought and got

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<v Speaker 2>indictments under the Burning object Statute. A grand jury agreed

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<v Speaker 2>with Hindley there was probable cause to believe that objects

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<v Speaker 2>had been burned with the intent to intimidate. Fugitive warrants

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<v Speaker 2>were issued, arrests were made by local police and far

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<v Speaker 2>ranging jurisdictions, And now, nearly six years after that hot

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<v Speaker 2>night in August, the extraditions are starting. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>share with you the stories of the men who carried

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<v Speaker 2>torches that night. Some of them are now facing felony

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<v Speaker 2>charges of Almorle County. Others may come to share that fate.

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<v Speaker 2>After the crowd dispersed that night, and after the deadly

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<v Speaker 2>rally the next morning, those men went home. Some started businesses,

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<v Speaker 2>some died, Some trafficked drugs, beat their wives, choked their girlfriends,

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<v Speaker 2>went to grad school, went to prison, started families, ran

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<v Speaker 2>for office, left the movement, tried to lead the movement,

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<v Speaker 2>or just tried to disappear. There are as many stories

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<v Speaker 2>as there were flames in the night, when their voices

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<v Speaker 2>joined as one, shouting, Jews will not replace us, then

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<v Speaker 2>going their separate ways back to the communities they came from.

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<v Speaker 2>And now some of them are on their way back,

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<v Speaker 2>this time against their will. So I wrote that about

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<v Speaker 2>ten months ago, last April, just as the first cases

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<v Speaker 2>were unsealed. Obviously a lot's happened since then. But before

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<v Speaker 2>I get into a recap of those first ten cases,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hear a brief word about some products and services.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Thomas Rousseau is number eleven on this list

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<v Speaker 2>of tiki torch defendants who were the first ten, the

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury that convened in February of last year handed

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<v Speaker 2>down the first five indictments, will Zachary Smith, William Billy Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Dykes, Dallas, Medina, and William Fears. Will Smith of Nakona,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas was the first in custody. He was actually already

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<v Speaker 2>in custody here in Charlottesville when the first charges were filed.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been indicted on a separate felony charge back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen for Pepper Spring the counter protesters that night,

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<v Speaker 2>but remained a fugitive until his arrest in January twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, so when the prosecutor brought the torch charges

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<v Speaker 2>to the grand jury in February, it was probably an

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<v Speaker 2>easy first choice. Will Smith pled guilty to the torch

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<v Speaker 2>charge in May in a sealed plea deal that dropped

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<v Speaker 2>the much more serious pepper spray felony, and was allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to return home without being sentenced. Billy Williams traveled here

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<v Speaker 2>with will Smith back in twenty seventeen. The pair were

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<v Speaker 2>acting as bodyguards for Robert Asmadore Ray, the Daily Stormer blogger,

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<v Speaker 2>who is actually also still a wanted fugitive on a

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<v Speaker 2>felony charge of pepper spraying those counter protesters that night.

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<v Speaker 2>When Billy Williams was extradited from Texas in April of

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<v Speaker 2>last year, he was denied bond after some apparent dishonesty

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<v Speaker 2>regarding his relationship with Robert Ray. Through his attorney, he

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<v Speaker 2>denied having had any contact with Ray while he was

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<v Speaker 2>a fugitive. He in fact claimed they barely knew each other,

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<v Speaker 2>having met only a couple of times. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that's not that's not true. But after claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>they'd had no contact in the intervening years. The prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>revealed in the bond hearing that law enforcement partners had

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<v Speaker 2>shared information with his office that they believe that not

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<v Speaker 2>only had they been contact, but that Ray had been

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<v Speaker 2>living with Williams, living on his property while he was

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<v Speaker 2>in hiding as a fugitive. Williams two pled guilty to

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<v Speaker 2>the burning object charge in July, receiving an active sentence

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<v Speaker 2>of six months but with time served and good behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>He was home barely two weeks after entering his plea,

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<v Speaker 2>but not before he missed the birth of his seventh

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<v Speaker 2>child with his common law wife. Tyler Diykes was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>on Saint Patrick's Day. He'd been out with other members

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<v Speaker 2>of the white supremacist group the Southern Sons Active Club,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to hang a racist banner from a highway overpass

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<v Speaker 2>in Savannah, Georgia, when he was unfortunately bitten by a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not have information on what came of the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he's okay, concerned about infection, though, Tyler Diykes

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<v Speaker 2>went to the emergency room to have the wound looked at.

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<v Speaker 2>In Georgia, as in most states, emergency rooms contact the

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<v Speaker 2>police to report dog bite injuries. An officer was dispatched

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital to take a report from Dikes about

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<v Speaker 2>the dog bite incident, which is a fairly routine situation,

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<v Speaker 2>but somewhere during their interaction in the hospital, the officer

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<v Speaker 2>ran Dike's name to the system and it came back

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<v Speaker 2>with a warrant. A panicked Dikes sent his hate group

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<v Speaker 2>group chat a quick text, I'm being arrested by Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>nuke my account. In video of the melee the base

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<v Speaker 2>of the statue on August eleven, twenty seventeen, Dikes can

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<v Speaker 2>be seen throwing punches even after everyone else had stopped,

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<v Speaker 2>and then celebrating the victory by marching around in a weird,

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<v Speaker 2>tight little circle with his right arm extended in a

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi salute. Dikes pled guilty to the torch charge in

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<v Speaker 2>May and received the same six month act of sentence

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<v Speaker 2>Williams had gotten with time served and good behavior. He

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<v Speaker 2>was released in July. I wonder if he expected to

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<v Speaker 2>see his elderly parents waiting for him in the parking

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<v Speaker 2>lot outside of the album ArHL Charltsville Regional Jail that day,

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<v Speaker 2>but he never made it that far. US marshals took

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<v Speaker 2>him into federal custody before he ever walked outside. He's

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<v Speaker 2>currently out on bond, awaiting trial on ten counts for

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<v Speaker 2>his participate patient in the January sixth insurrection. Dallas Medina

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<v Speaker 2>of Ohio turned himself in in April and was allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to return home on bond. He had been an active

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<v Speaker 2>member of an extremely online group of mass shooting enthusiasts

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<v Speaker 2>calling themselves the Bowl Patrol, so named after the bull

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<v Speaker 2>cut hair styles sported by their idol, Dylan Roof. After

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<v Speaker 2>a feud with Chris the Crying Nazi Catwell ended with

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<v Speaker 2>Catwell in federal prison, the group more or less fell

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<v Speaker 2>apart in twenty twenty. Medina hasn't appeared in court since

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<v Speaker 2>his bond hearing in April, and he doesn't yet have

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<v Speaker 2>a trial date. William Fiers was booked into the Albumoral

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<v Speaker 2>Charlesville Regional Jail in June after being transferred from the

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<v Speaker 2>Texas prison where he was serving a sentence for domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Just two months after Unite the Right, William Fears beat

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<v Speaker 2>and choked his girlfriend. A few days later, he traveled

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<v Speaker 2>to Florida with his brother, Colton Fears and their friend

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Tenbrink. To see Richard Spencer's speech at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Florida. He knew when he left town for Gainesville

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<v Speaker 2>that week that his girlfriend had reported the assault, having

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<v Speaker 2>already been to prison for abducting and stabbing a different

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<v Speaker 2>ex girlfriend years earlier, He knew another conviction would put

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<v Speaker 2>him away for a while, and he wanted one last

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<v Speaker 2>shot at starting the race war before they got him.

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<v Speaker 2>In video from the Torch March, William Fears can be

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<v Speaker 2>seen swinging his torch at a counter protester, screaming Die Commie.

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<v Speaker 2>Fears remains in custody but does not yet have a

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<v Speaker 2>trial date. William's brother, Colton Fears, joined him at the

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<v Speaker 2>Albumarle Charlesville Regional Jail in September. I suspect the jail

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<v Speaker 2>probably kept them separated, but it still would have been

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<v Speaker 2>the closest the brothers had been in years. When the

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<v Speaker 2>brothers were in Gainesville in October of twenty seventeen, their

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<v Speaker 2>friend Tyler Tenbrink shot at a group of anti fascist

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<v Speaker 2>counter protesters after Richard Spencer's speech. Thankfully, no one was injured,

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<v Speaker 2>but Tenbrink was convicted of attempted first degree homicide. Colton

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<v Speaker 2>Fears was driving the car when the men left the

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<v Speaker 2>scene of the shooting, and spent five years in a

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<v Speaker 2>Florida prison for accessory after the fact to attempted first

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<v Speaker 2>degree homicide. Colton was released in twenty twenty two and

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<v Speaker 2>returned home to Texas, where he was then arrested in

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<v Speaker 2>August twenty twenty three on the burning object charge. After

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<v Speaker 2>pleading guilty in October, he was allowed to return home

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<v Speaker 2>prior to sentencing. Ryan Roy of Vermont turned himself in

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<v Speaker 2>in May. If you've been reading the voluminous leagues that

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be constantly springing forth from Patriot Front's online comms,

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<v Speaker 2>you may know him better as Rex. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he's stayed quite busy in the years since Unite the

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<v Speaker 2>Right as a member of Patriot Front. He is currently

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<v Speaker 2>home on bond and does not yet have a trial date.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie Troutman of West Virginia turned himself in in October

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<v Speaker 2>under the pseudonym Altright VA. Troutman was an active organizer

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<v Speaker 2>and planner of the Unit the Right rally. He was

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<v Speaker 2>present at many of the precursor events that took place

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<v Speaker 2>here in Charlesville during the Summer of Hate, including the

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<v Speaker 2>two other torch marches, smaller torchlit rallies that were held

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<v Speaker 2>in downtown Charlottesville in May and October of that year.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Dyke's photos show, Troutman was present at the Capitol

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<v Speaker 2>on January sixth, though in Troutman's case no charges have

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<v Speaker 2>been filed, he too is home on bond with no

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<v Speaker 2>trial date set. And before we get to the last

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<v Speaker 2>two of those first ten cases, let's hear from someone

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<v Speaker 2>who has also not been charged in connection with the

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<v Speaker 2>militant reactionary attempt to overthrow the US government these products

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<v Speaker 2>and services. The final two of these first ten torch

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<v Speaker 2>cases are the messy ones. So we've got these four

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<v Speaker 2>guilty please, and we've got four cases that are sort

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<v Speaker 2>of moving along slowly down the usual path. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we've got two cases where the defendants have had some

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<v Speaker 2>success bogging the cases down with motions. Jacob Dix of

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio was arrested in July. Dix is seen in photos

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<v Speaker 2>and video on the eleventh and twelfth with two other

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio men, his roommate Ryan Martin, who recently passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>and Daniel Borden, one of the men convicted of beating

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<v Speaker 2>a man nearly to death during the rally on August twelfth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll learn more about Dix as his case progresses,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have found him in photos with the Traditionalist

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<v Speaker 2>Worker Party at the Nazi rally in Pikeville earlier that

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<v Speaker 2>same summer. In his torch case, he has been granted

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<v Speaker 2>both a substitute judge and a special prosecutor based on

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of nebulous though very loudly argued conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>involving the wife of a judge who is not even

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<v Speaker 2>presiding over his case and a prosecutor who has a

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<v Speaker 2>history of expressing anti racist political views in his personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>Dix is out on bond. With the recent rule in

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<v Speaker 2>granting him a special prosecutor, we may be seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>trial date get set in the near future. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>Augustus Sole Invictus until Rousseau was arrested last week, the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest name in this batch was Augustus and Victus. Even

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<v Speaker 2>before his name was on the fliers as a headline

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<v Speaker 2>speaker at Unite the Right, Invictus was no stranger to thees.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty sixteen, he ran for US Senate in Florida

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<v Speaker 2>as a libertarian. His campaign was marred by such controversies

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<v Speaker 2>as his own past statements on eugenics, a twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>ritual sacrifice of a goat, his legal representation of white

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<v Speaker 2>supremacist militia leader Marcus Faiella, and numerous police reports from

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<v Speaker 2>both his wife and his teenage girlfriend alleging domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 2>In the years since, Invictis never did become a US

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<v Speaker 2>senator despite a second attempt, and never did get convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of domestic violence despite many, many more police reports. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also no longer a pagan. Asked recently about the goat

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<v Speaker 2>blood drinking ritual he performed in twenty thirteen, he quipped

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<v Speaker 2>that he drinks human blood now just a little transubstantiation

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<v Speaker 2>joke about his recent conversion to traditional Catholicism. Invictus was

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<v Speaker 2>arrested on the burning object charge in Florida in June

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three and held for a month before being

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<v Speaker 2>extradited to Virginia and released on bond. Like Dix, he

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<v Speaker 2>has been granted a substitute judge. He too is seeking

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<v Speaker 2>a special prosecutor, but no ruling was made at his

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<v Speaker 2>last hearing. Currently, his case is docketed for trial next month.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm willing to bet that gets postponed. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>more or less where we are now. Rousseau is the

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh man to be charged in these cases. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>four guilty please on the record, leaving him as one

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<v Speaker 2>of seven open cases. We can expect to see Rousseau

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<v Speaker 2>extradited from Texas to Virginia in the near future. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say maybe a week or two, although some of

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<v Speaker 2>them have been held for up to a month before

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<v Speaker 2>a deputy can get down there and bring them back.

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<v Speaker 2>Something I was really surprised to learn in all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is in most extraditions for state cases like this,

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<v Speaker 2>like these are not federal cases. These are local cases.

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<v Speaker 2>When someone gets extradited long distance, a deputy just flies

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<v Speaker 2>down there and then they fly back together on a

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<v Speaker 2>commercial airline. It's not like a con air situation. They're

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<v Speaker 2>just on an airplane together. So it really depends on

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<v Speaker 2>when a deputy can sort of get down there and

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<v Speaker 2>get them. So he'll be extradited sometime in the next

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks, and then once he's booked into the album

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<v Speaker 2>RL Charltsville Regional Jail, he'll get an appearance in court.

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<v Speaker 2>It's anybody's guest right now who he'll hire to represent him.

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<v Speaker 2>Former Proud Boy and current Patriot Front lawyer Jason Lee

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<v Speaker 2>van Dyke was thoughtful enough to reply to one of

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<v Speaker 2>my tweets about Rousseau's arrest to say that he will

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<v Speaker 2>not be taking this case. As much as he would

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<v Speaker 2>have loved to try this case, which he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he would do a very good job doing and he

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<v Speaker 2>could definitely do it, and unfortunately he just can't. He

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<v Speaker 2>cited the difficulty in finding local council to assist. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not admitted to the bar in Virginia, so who would

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<v Speaker 2>need someone who is to sort of sponsor him in

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<v Speaker 2>and be responsible for him in the case. So he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he can't find local council, and also it

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<v Speaker 2>would just be two time consuming and too expensive to

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<v Speaker 2>try a case in Virginia as he's located in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>So it won't be Jason Lee van Dyke writing about

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<v Speaker 2>these cases in my newsletter The Devil's Advocates. It's on Ghost,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like substack, but it's not substack. It's Ghost

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking forward to writing some updates very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>The finding out for this particular fucking around has been

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<v Speaker 2>a long time coming, and I can't help but wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if these cases had been brought sooner, Patriot Front might

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<v Speaker 2>not even exist. You know, I suspect once Rousseau has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a lawyer, he will ask for a bond hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably what's next. It's impossible to know how much

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<v Speaker 2>information other law enforcement agencies are interested in sharing with

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<v Speaker 2>the local prosecutor, but that kind of information sharing did

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<v Speaker 2>play a critical role in some of the other cases.

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<v Speaker 2>In bond hearings for Billy Williams and Tyler Diykes, information

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<v Speaker 2>about the defendant's associations and activities collected by other local

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<v Speaker 2>police agencies and federal authorities was what kept them in custody.

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<v Speaker 2>In Diykes's case, several police and sheriff's departments in South

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina and George Arja shared information that he was a

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<v Speaker 2>suspect in some like swastika vandalism cases, some flying cases.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not clear if the FEDS shared information ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>time about the January sixth case, but it is it

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<v Speaker 2>is clear that the prosecutor's office was talking to other

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement agencies who'd been keeping tabs on these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you would be a fool to think

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<v Speaker 2>the FEDS don't have some information about Rousseau that might

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<v Speaker 2>raise a judge's eyebrow. I guess we'll just have to

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<v Speaker 2>wait and see.

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