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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to It could happen here. I
Speaker 2: am once again your guest host, Molly Conger, and today
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about something that is happening
Speaker 2: here here being my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia. You might
Speaker 2: have seen the news recently that Patriot Front leader Thomas
Speaker 2: Ryan Russo was arrested in Texas on an out of
Speaker 2: state felony warrant. On February twenty third, authorities in McLennan County, Texas,
Speaker 2: arrested Rousseau and booked him into the county jail. The
Speaker 2: jail roster lists the offense as burn object to intimidate
Speaker 2: OH slash s that OS means out of state, and
Speaker 2: it lists Virginia as the state issuing the warrant. And
Speaker 2: Rousseau's arrest certainly made a splash when the news hit.
Speaker 2: Nazi telegram channels lit up with posts about his arrest.
Speaker 2: Gab feeds were flooded with hastily made graphics decrying this
Speaker 2: political persecution. This sudden spike and interest in a little
Speaker 2: used Virginia Code section might make you think Russeau was
Speaker 2: the first person to be taken into custody on this
Speaker 2: charge that perhaps he was targeted for arrest in some
Speaker 2: kind of grand political plan to take him out of
Speaker 2: the game. But he is in fact the eleventh person
Speaker 2: to be arrested in just the last year for participating
Speaker 2: in the Tiki Torch march at the University of Virginia
Speaker 2: on August eleventh, twenty seventeen. These cases have been working
Speaker 2: their way through the system here for long enough that
Speaker 2: some of Russeau's Code defendants have not only already been
Speaker 2: found guilty, they've served their time and gotten back out.
Speaker 2: But with this sudden surge and interest in this case,
Speaker 2: I want to give you all a little background on
Speaker 2: the other ten. If you'll indulge me for a moment, though,
Speaker 2: I'd like to read you something I wrote nearly a
Speaker 2: year ago, just as the first cases were being unsealed.
Speaker 2: There is no statute of limitations on felonies in Virginia.
Speaker 2: With that in mind, here's section eighteen point two Dash
Speaker 2: four twenty three point oh one Dash B of the
Speaker 2: Code of Virginia. Burning objects on property of another or
Speaker 2: a highway or other public place with intent to intimidate
Speaker 2: any person who with the intent of intimidating any person
Speaker 2: or group of persons burns an object on a highway
Speaker 2: or other public place in a manner having a direct
Speaker 2: tendency to place another person in reasonable fear or apprehension
Speaker 2: of death or bodily injury is guilty of a Class
Speaker 2: six felony. On August eleventh, twenty seventeen, hundreds of torch
Speaker 2: bearing marchers traversed the grounds of the University of Virginia.
Speaker 2: They'd come to Charlottesville from across the country, taking Friday
Speaker 2: morning flights or taking turns at the wheel for cross
Speaker 2: country drives, and rented vans with guys they met on
Speaker 2: message boards. Arriving early before the big event. The following morning,
Speaker 2: they gathered at Nameless Field, a grassy acre near the
Speaker 2: Via tennis courts with a deceptive name, and distributed tiki torches.
Speaker 2: Men with walkie talkies clipped to their belts, some with
Speaker 2: wired earpieces, barked orders. Elliott Kleine, an ambitious young white
Speaker 2: nationalist organizer calling himself Eli Moseley to the twentieth century
Speaker 2: British fascist Oswald Mosley, shouted at the crowd as they
Speaker 2: formed into a line or picking big guys, no females.
Speaker 2: Klein and his security team would be selecting the biggest
Speaker 2: marshers to lay down their torches and keep the perimeter
Speaker 2: as the march moved through the university grounds, they might
Speaker 2: need their hands free. The march wound its way through grounds,
Speaker 2: up the lawn, then up the steps of the University
Speaker 2: of Virginia's iconic rotunda. On the other side of the rotunda,
Speaker 2: gathered near the statue of Thomas Jefferson, a small group
Speaker 2: of anti racist protesters waited. In her testimony during a
Speaker 2: later civil trial, one of the women who was terrorized
Speaker 2: that night said of the sound of the approaching crowd.
Speaker 2: When we heard the roaring, we just linked arms and
Speaker 2: held hands and started to sing. She said. At first
Speaker 2: it sounded like thunder, like the earth was growling. As
Speaker 2: they grew closer, but before she could see the light
Speaker 2: of the torches, she began to make out the chance
Speaker 2: hundreds of voices raised in Unison, shouting blood and soil.
Speaker 2: Testifying about that night four years later, she said she
Speaker 2: could still hear it sometimes in her nightmares, and by
Speaker 2: the time the small group of mostly students realized the
Speaker 2: magnitude and ferocity of the approaching mob, it was too late.
Speaker 2: They were surrounded fully encircled at the base of the
Speaker 2: statue by hundreds of torch wielding white supremacists for a
Speaker 2: few minutes, minutes that those trapped at the base of
Speaker 2: the statue said they believed might be their last. As
Speaker 2: they were doused in lighter fluid, maced, and punched. There
Speaker 2: was a melee. The police made no move to intervene,
Speaker 2: as streams of pepper spray were let loose and cries
Speaker 2: of medic were audible above the roar of you will
Speaker 2: not replace us. When the trapped counter protesters were finally
Speaker 2: able to flee, stumbling blindly with burning eyes and covering
Speaker 2: their heads in a hail storm of fists and torches,
Speaker 2: the marchers declared victory. Richard Spencer, an organizer of that
Speaker 2: weekend's rally, climbed the base of the statue and delivered
Speaker 2: a victory speech to the still roaring crow out now
Speaker 2: shouting hail, victory, Hail Spencer. Spencer told them, we occupy
Speaker 2: this ground. We won.
Speaker 3: Girls, are all right, all right? All right? Were these
Speaker 3: freaks on these rights.
Speaker 4: By this ground?
Speaker 3: We only one?
Speaker 4: What in the hell are we doing out here? What
Speaker 4: in the hell are we doing risking our lives. Are
Speaker 4: were risking our lives, for our people, for our ancestors,
Speaker 4: for our future. That's how we're doing what you're think
Speaker 4: an antick arts long, you're thinking antibuck and feed.
Speaker 2: The marchers dispersed to their various hotels, campgrounds and airbnbs.
Speaker 2: Spencer later said cheekly that he booked his under the
Speaker 2: pseudonym literally Hitler. They had to rest up for the
Speaker 2: real battle in the morning, and while they slept, a
Speaker 2: young man from Ohio was driving through the night, perhaps
Speaker 2: already knowing that his gray Dodge Challenger would be impounded
Speaker 2: as a murder weapon. Before he slept again, he checked
Speaker 2: Twitter and retweeted a post David Duke had tweeted images
Speaker 2: of the Torch March celebrating the alt right success that
Speaker 2: evening with the caption our people on the march, will
Speaker 2: you be at Unite the Right tomorrow. As he left
Speaker 2: Ohio that evening, the young man and the Dodge Challenger
Speaker 2: got a text from his mother, a text weave all
Speaker 2: probably gotten from our mothers. She said, be careful and
Speaker 2: James Alex Fields Junior, in one of the last texts
Speaker 2: he sent before a lifetime behind bars, replied to his
Speaker 2: mother with a photograph of Hitler and the words we
Speaker 2: are not the ones who need to be careful. Years later,
Speaker 2: the word Charlesville has become synonymous with those two fused images,
Speaker 2: Fields's mangled challenger and an iconic photo of the crowd
Speaker 2: torches and hands the rotunda at their backs. Fields was
Speaker 2: convicted both in state and federal court of Heather Hire's
Speaker 2: murder and multiple counts of aggravated malicious wounding. Daniel Bordon,
Speaker 2: Alex Ramos, Jacob Goodwin, and Tyler Watkins went away for
Speaker 2: a brutal gang beating of a young black man. Richard Preston,
Speaker 2: an imperial wizard in the Ku Klux Klan, did some
Speaker 2: time for discharging his firearm in the general direction of
Speaker 2: another young black man while shouting die and word. But
Speaker 2: all in all, for all the violence of both days,
Speaker 2: there was a curious reluctance to bring charges for anything
Speaker 2: that didn't rise to the level of attempted murder, and
Speaker 2: some things that did. There are thousands of photographs videos
Speaker 2: from every conceivable angle taken by victims, bystanders, professional photojournalists,
Speaker 2: and even the marchers themselves. Their faces are uncovered, their
Speaker 2: motives are clear, and the law is fairly straightforward, but
Speaker 2: the University of Virginia lies within the jurisdiction of Albemarle County.
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, Apemwal County commonwealths Attorney Robert Tracy chose
Speaker 2: not to bring any burning objects cases under Section eighteen
Speaker 2: point two Dash four twenty three. He didn't think he
Speaker 2: could make a case against the tiki torch mob, or
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't want to. The commonwealths Attorney for the
Speaker 2: City of Charlesville all the time, Dave Chapman, wrote in
Speaker 2: a memo in October of that year that he did
Speaker 2: believe the cases could be made, but they weren't his
Speaker 2: to prosecute. But in Virginia, prosecutors come and go, and
Speaker 2: a felony lives forever. In a October twenty nineteen debate
Speaker 2: between then sitting Prosecutor Robert Tracy and his challenger, Jim Hinchley,
Speaker 2: Tracy again scoffed at the idea of indicting these cases,
Speaker 2: even saying that Hindley's belief that it was possible was
Speaker 2: a sign he was inexperienced and wrong for the job.
Speaker 2: A month later, Hineley won the election, and now it
Speaker 2: seems he's trying to make good on his campaign promise
Speaker 2: of proving Robert Tracy wrong. In February twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: the Albumole County Commonwealth's Atorney's office quietly sought and got
Speaker 2: indictments under the Burning object Statute. A grand jury agreed
Speaker 2: with Hindley there was probable cause to believe that objects
Speaker 2: had been burned with the intent to intimidate. Fugitive warrants
Speaker 2: were issued, arrests were made by local police and far
Speaker 2: ranging jurisdictions, And now, nearly six years after that hot
Speaker 2: night in August, the extraditions are starting. I want to
Speaker 2: share with you the stories of the men who carried
Speaker 2: torches that night. Some of them are now facing felony
Speaker 2: charges of Almorle County. Others may come to share that fate.
Speaker 2: After the crowd dispersed that night, and after the deadly
Speaker 2: rally the next morning, those men went home. Some started businesses,
Speaker 2: some died, Some trafficked drugs, beat their wives, choked their girlfriends,
Speaker 2: went to grad school, went to prison, started families, ran
Speaker 2: for office, left the movement, tried to lead the movement,
Speaker 2: or just tried to disappear. There are as many stories
Speaker 2: as there were flames in the night, when their voices
Speaker 2: joined as one, shouting, Jews will not replace us, then
Speaker 2: going their separate ways back to the communities they came from.
Speaker 2: And now some of them are on their way back,
Speaker 2: this time against their will. So I wrote that about
Speaker 2: ten months ago, last April, just as the first cases
Speaker 2: were unsealed. Obviously a lot's happened since then. But before
Speaker 2: I get into a recap of those first ten cases,
Speaker 2: let's hear a brief word about some products and services.
Speaker 2: So if Thomas Rousseau is number eleven on this list
Speaker 2: of tiki torch defendants who were the first ten, the
Speaker 2: grand jury that convened in February of last year handed
Speaker 2: down the first five indictments, will Zachary Smith, William Billy Williams,
Speaker 2: Tyler Dykes, Dallas, Medina, and William Fears. Will Smith of Nakona,
Speaker 2: Texas was the first in custody. He was actually already
Speaker 2: in custody here in Charlottesville when the first charges were filed.
Speaker 2: He had been indicted on a separate felony charge back
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen for Pepper Spring the counter protesters that night,
Speaker 2: but remained a fugitive until his arrest in January twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, so when the prosecutor brought the torch charges
Speaker 2: to the grand jury in February, it was probably an
Speaker 2: easy first choice. Will Smith pled guilty to the torch
Speaker 2: charge in May in a sealed plea deal that dropped
Speaker 2: the much more serious pepper spray felony, and was allowed
Speaker 2: to return home without being sentenced. Billy Williams traveled here
Speaker 2: with will Smith back in twenty seventeen. The pair were
Speaker 2: acting as bodyguards for Robert Asmadore Ray, the Daily Stormer blogger,
Speaker 2: who is actually also still a wanted fugitive on a
Speaker 2: felony charge of pepper spraying those counter protesters that night.
Speaker 2: When Billy Williams was extradited from Texas in April of
Speaker 2: last year, he was denied bond after some apparent dishonesty
Speaker 2: regarding his relationship with Robert Ray. Through his attorney, he
Speaker 2: denied having had any contact with Ray while he was
Speaker 2: a fugitive. He in fact claimed they barely knew each other,
Speaker 2: having met only a couple of times. I can tell
Speaker 2: you that's not that's not true. But after claiming that
Speaker 2: they'd had no contact in the intervening years. The prosecutor
Speaker 2: revealed in the bond hearing that law enforcement partners had
Speaker 2: shared information with his office that they believe that not
Speaker 2: only had they been contact, but that Ray had been
Speaker 2: living with Williams, living on his property while he was
Speaker 2: in hiding as a fugitive. Williams two pled guilty to
Speaker 2: the burning object charge in July, receiving an active sentence
Speaker 2: of six months but with time served and good behavior.
Speaker 2: He was home barely two weeks after entering his plea,
Speaker 2: but not before he missed the birth of his seventh
Speaker 2: child with his common law wife. Tyler Diykes was arrested
Speaker 2: on Saint Patrick's Day. He'd been out with other members
Speaker 2: of the white supremacist group the Southern Sons Active Club,
Speaker 2: trying to hang a racist banner from a highway overpass
Speaker 2: in Savannah, Georgia, when he was unfortunately bitten by a dog.
Speaker 2: I do not have information on what came of the dog.
Speaker 2: I hope he's okay, concerned about infection, though, Tyler Diykes
Speaker 2: went to the emergency room to have the wound looked at.
Speaker 2: In Georgia, as in most states, emergency rooms contact the
Speaker 2: police to report dog bite injuries. An officer was dispatched
Speaker 2: to the hospital to take a report from Dikes about
Speaker 2: the dog bite incident, which is a fairly routine situation,
Speaker 2: but somewhere during their interaction in the hospital, the officer
Speaker 2: ran Dike's name to the system and it came back
Speaker 2: with a warrant. A panicked Dikes sent his hate group
Speaker 2: group chat a quick text, I'm being arrested by Virginia
Speaker 2: nuke my account. In video of the melee the base
Speaker 2: of the statue on August eleven, twenty seventeen, Dikes can
Speaker 2: be seen throwing punches even after everyone else had stopped,
Speaker 2: and then celebrating the victory by marching around in a weird,
Speaker 2: tight little circle with his right arm extended in a
Speaker 2: Nazi salute. Dikes pled guilty to the torch charge in
Speaker 2: May and received the same six month act of sentence
Speaker 2: Williams had gotten with time served and good behavior. He
Speaker 2: was released in July. I wonder if he expected to
Speaker 2: see his elderly parents waiting for him in the parking
Speaker 2: lot outside of the album ArHL Charltsville Regional Jail that day,
Speaker 2: but he never made it that far. US marshals took
Speaker 2: him into federal custody before he ever walked outside. He's
Speaker 2: currently out on bond, awaiting trial on ten counts for
Speaker 2: his participate patient in the January sixth insurrection. Dallas Medina
Speaker 2: of Ohio turned himself in in April and was allowed
Speaker 2: to return home on bond. He had been an active
Speaker 2: member of an extremely online group of mass shooting enthusiasts
Speaker 2: calling themselves the Bowl Patrol, so named after the bull
Speaker 2: cut hair styles sported by their idol, Dylan Roof. After
Speaker 2: a feud with Chris the Crying Nazi Catwell ended with
Speaker 2: Catwell in federal prison, the group more or less fell
Speaker 2: apart in twenty twenty. Medina hasn't appeared in court since
Speaker 2: his bond hearing in April, and he doesn't yet have
Speaker 2: a trial date. William Fiers was booked into the Albumoral
Speaker 2: Charlesville Regional Jail in June after being transferred from the
Speaker 2: Texas prison where he was serving a sentence for domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Just two months after Unite the Right, William Fears beat
Speaker 2: and choked his girlfriend. A few days later, he traveled
Speaker 2: to Florida with his brother, Colton Fears and their friend
Speaker 2: Tyler Tenbrink. To see Richard Spencer's speech at the University
Speaker 2: of Florida. He knew when he left town for Gainesville
Speaker 2: that week that his girlfriend had reported the assault, having
Speaker 2: already been to prison for abducting and stabbing a different
Speaker 2: ex girlfriend years earlier, He knew another conviction would put
Speaker 2: him away for a while, and he wanted one last
Speaker 2: shot at starting the race war before they got him.
Speaker 2: In video from the Torch March, William Fears can be
Speaker 2: seen swinging his torch at a counter protester, screaming Die Commie.
Speaker 2: Fears remains in custody but does not yet have a
Speaker 2: trial date. William's brother, Colton Fears, joined him at the
Speaker 2: Albumarle Charlesville Regional Jail in September. I suspect the jail
Speaker 2: probably kept them separated, but it still would have been
Speaker 2: the closest the brothers had been in years. When the
Speaker 2: brothers were in Gainesville in October of twenty seventeen, their
Speaker 2: friend Tyler Tenbrink shot at a group of anti fascist
Speaker 2: counter protesters after Richard Spencer's speech. Thankfully, no one was injured,
Speaker 2: but Tenbrink was convicted of attempted first degree homicide. Colton
Speaker 2: Fears was driving the car when the men left the
Speaker 2: scene of the shooting, and spent five years in a
Speaker 2: Florida prison for accessory after the fact to attempted first
Speaker 2: degree homicide. Colton was released in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 2: returned home to Texas, where he was then arrested in
Speaker 2: August twenty twenty three on the burning object charge. After
Speaker 2: pleading guilty in October, he was allowed to return home
Speaker 2: prior to sentencing. Ryan Roy of Vermont turned himself in
Speaker 2: in May. If you've been reading the voluminous leagues that
Speaker 2: seemed to be constantly springing forth from Patriot Front's online comms,
Speaker 2: you may know him better as Rex. It looks like
Speaker 2: he's stayed quite busy in the years since Unite the
Speaker 2: Right as a member of Patriot Front. He is currently
Speaker 2: home on bond and does not yet have a trial date.
Speaker 2: Jamie Troutman of West Virginia turned himself in in October
Speaker 2: under the pseudonym Altright VA. Troutman was an active organizer
Speaker 2: and planner of the Unit the Right rally. He was
Speaker 2: present at many of the precursor events that took place
Speaker 2: here in Charlesville during the Summer of Hate, including the
Speaker 2: two other torch marches, smaller torchlit rallies that were held
Speaker 2: in downtown Charlottesville in May and October of that year.
Speaker 2: Like Dyke's photos show, Troutman was present at the Capitol
Speaker 2: on January sixth, though in Troutman's case no charges have
Speaker 2: been filed, he too is home on bond with no
Speaker 2: trial date set. And before we get to the last
Speaker 2: two of those first ten cases, let's hear from someone
Speaker 2: who has also not been charged in connection with the
Speaker 2: militant reactionary attempt to overthrow the US government these products
Speaker 2: and services. The final two of these first ten torch
Speaker 2: cases are the messy ones. So we've got these four
Speaker 2: guilty please, and we've got four cases that are sort
Speaker 2: of moving along slowly down the usual path. And then
Speaker 2: we've got two cases where the defendants have had some
Speaker 2: success bogging the cases down with motions. Jacob Dix of
Speaker 2: Ohio was arrested in July. Dix is seen in photos
Speaker 2: and video on the eleventh and twelfth with two other
Speaker 2: Ohio men, his roommate Ryan Martin, who recently passed away,
Speaker 2: and Daniel Borden, one of the men convicted of beating
Speaker 2: a man nearly to death during the rally on August twelfth.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll learn more about Dix as his case progresses,
Speaker 2: but I have found him in photos with the Traditionalist
Speaker 2: Worker Party at the Nazi rally in Pikeville earlier that
Speaker 2: same summer. In his torch case, he has been granted
Speaker 2: both a substitute judge and a special prosecutor based on
Speaker 2: a sort of nebulous though very loudly argued conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: involving the wife of a judge who is not even
Speaker 2: presiding over his case and a prosecutor who has a
Speaker 2: history of expressing anti racist political views in his personal life.
Speaker 2: Dix is out on bond. With the recent rule in
Speaker 2: granting him a special prosecutor, we may be seeing a
Speaker 2: trial date get set in the near future. And finally,
Speaker 2: Augustus Sole Invictus until Rousseau was arrested last week, the
Speaker 2: biggest name in this batch was Augustus and Victus. Even
Speaker 2: before his name was on the fliers as a headline
Speaker 2: speaker at Unite the Right, Invictus was no stranger to thees.
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, he ran for US Senate in Florida
Speaker 2: as a libertarian. His campaign was marred by such controversies
Speaker 2: as his own past statements on eugenics, a twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: ritual sacrifice of a goat, his legal representation of white
Speaker 2: supremacist militia leader Marcus Faiella, and numerous police reports from
Speaker 2: both his wife and his teenage girlfriend alleging domestic violence.
Speaker 2: In the years since, Invictis never did become a US
Speaker 2: senator despite a second attempt, and never did get convicted
Speaker 2: of domestic violence despite many, many more police reports. He's
Speaker 2: also no longer a pagan. Asked recently about the goat
Speaker 2: blood drinking ritual he performed in twenty thirteen, he quipped
Speaker 2: that he drinks human blood now just a little transubstantiation
Speaker 2: joke about his recent conversion to traditional Catholicism. Invictus was
Speaker 2: arrested on the burning object charge in Florida in June
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three and held for a month before being
Speaker 2: extradited to Virginia and released on bond. Like Dix, he
Speaker 2: has been granted a substitute judge. He too is seeking
Speaker 2: a special prosecutor, but no ruling was made at his
Speaker 2: last hearing. Currently, his case is docketed for trial next month.
Speaker 2: But I'm willing to bet that gets postponed. So that's
Speaker 2: more or less where we are now. Rousseau is the
Speaker 2: eleventh man to be charged in these cases. We've got
Speaker 2: four guilty please on the record, leaving him as one
Speaker 2: of seven open cases. We can expect to see Rousseau
Speaker 2: extradited from Texas to Virginia in the near future. I
Speaker 2: would say maybe a week or two, although some of
Speaker 2: them have been held for up to a month before
Speaker 2: a deputy can get down there and bring them back.
Speaker 2: Something I was really surprised to learn in all of
Speaker 2: this is in most extraditions for state cases like this,
Speaker 2: like these are not federal cases. These are local cases.
Speaker 2: When someone gets extradited long distance, a deputy just flies
Speaker 2: down there and then they fly back together on a
Speaker 2: commercial airline. It's not like a con air situation. They're
Speaker 2: just on an airplane together. So it really depends on
Speaker 2: when a deputy can sort of get down there and
Speaker 2: get them. So he'll be extradited sometime in the next
Speaker 2: few weeks, and then once he's booked into the album
Speaker 2: RL Charltsville Regional Jail, he'll get an appearance in court.
Speaker 2: It's anybody's guest right now who he'll hire to represent him.
Speaker 2: Former Proud Boy and current Patriot Front lawyer Jason Lee
Speaker 2: van Dyke was thoughtful enough to reply to one of
Speaker 2: my tweets about Rousseau's arrest to say that he will
Speaker 2: not be taking this case. As much as he would
Speaker 2: have loved to try this case, which he said that
Speaker 2: he would do a very good job doing and he
Speaker 2: could definitely do it, and unfortunately he just can't. He
Speaker 2: cited the difficulty in finding local council to assist. He's
Speaker 2: not admitted to the bar in Virginia, so who would
Speaker 2: need someone who is to sort of sponsor him in
Speaker 2: and be responsible for him in the case. So he said,
Speaker 2: you know, he can't find local council, and also it
Speaker 2: would just be two time consuming and too expensive to
Speaker 2: try a case in Virginia as he's located in Texas.
Speaker 2: So it won't be Jason Lee van Dyke writing about
Speaker 2: these cases in my newsletter The Devil's Advocates. It's on Ghost,
Speaker 2: which is like substack, but it's not substack. It's Ghost
Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to writing some updates very soon.
Speaker 2: The finding out for this particular fucking around has been
Speaker 2: a long time coming, and I can't help but wonder
Speaker 2: if these cases had been brought sooner, Patriot Front might
Speaker 2: not even exist. You know, I suspect once Rousseau has
Speaker 2: gotten a lawyer, he will ask for a bond hearing.
Speaker 2: That's probably what's next. It's impossible to know how much
Speaker 2: information other law enforcement agencies are interested in sharing with
Speaker 2: the local prosecutor, but that kind of information sharing did
Speaker 2: play a critical role in some of the other cases.
Speaker 2: In bond hearings for Billy Williams and Tyler Diykes, information
Speaker 2: about the defendant's associations and activities collected by other local
Speaker 2: police agencies and federal authorities was what kept them in custody.
Speaker 2: In Diykes's case, several police and sheriff's departments in South
Speaker 2: Carolina and George Arja shared information that he was a
Speaker 2: suspect in some like swastika vandalism cases, some flying cases.
Speaker 2: It's not clear if the FEDS shared information ahead of
Speaker 2: time about the January sixth case, but it is it
Speaker 2: is clear that the prosecutor's office was talking to other
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies who'd been keeping tabs on these guys.
Speaker 2: And I think you would be a fool to think
Speaker 2: the FEDS don't have some information about Rousseau that might
Speaker 2: raise a judge's eyebrow. I guess we'll just have to
Speaker 2: wait and see.
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