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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. We

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Speaker 1: are in the middle of September, well, not quite the middle,

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Speaker 1: it's September tenth. I decided to call up my good

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Speaker 1: buddy Dirk and see how his seasons went. I know

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Speaker 1: he's got to go out on a hunt with his

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Speaker 1: son Austin already. I've been out in the woods until

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Speaker 1: the six and we're just gonna kind of jump into it,

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Speaker 1: and then see if we can't, I if some of

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Speaker 1: our experiences can't can't translate and help you guys out.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Dirk.

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Speaker 2: Oh, hey, how's it going to day?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's excellent. It really sucks, though, to be sitting

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Speaker 1: in my office on September tenth not hunting. I don't

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Speaker 2: I know this is the first time that being employed

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Speaker 2: at Philip's game calls it. I've actually been home the

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Speaker 2: first two weeks of September.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. I don't want to spoil the story

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Speaker 1: that's coming up. There's a reason in your home right now,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get we'll get to that. Yeah. Uh no,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start off we've we've been doing some episodes,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been getting into the our Q and A session,

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Speaker 1: But today we're going to get back to you know,

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Speaker 1: season opens up me and you've got Instagram, Facebook messages

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Speaker 1: kind of rolling in on social media, and so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna share some of those with you and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: into the Q and A.

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Speaker 2: You mean the the Pendleton Whiskey Q and A. That

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Speaker 2: Q and A Letterbuck?

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Speaker 1: Is that the leading?

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Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, thanks Dirk. Yeah, so Pendleton's bringing

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Speaker 1: us the Q and A today we we uh, we

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Speaker 1: went and cherry picked three pretty decent questions, you know,

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Speaker 1: from from our listeners and our followers and our customers.

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Speaker 1: So our first one comes from Tanner Bartlin. I hope

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Speaker 1: I got that name right. He's an organ he's on

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Speaker 1: the coast. He said he's seeing lots of elk but

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Speaker 1: just can't get them to respect. Are there any tips

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Speaker 1: to get those elk to respond? Give them your best shot? Derek?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one. I feel like we get

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Speaker 2: I've set there just out of archery range of bulls

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Speaker 2: get discouraged. There's a couple of things you could do.

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Speaker 2: You could just sit back, wait by your time. I

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Speaker 2: know that elk calling can work like a light switch.

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Speaker 2: Like one day it is completely off, there's nothing working

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Speaker 2: elk or not. You're seeing elk and they're feeding, they're

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just gonna take a cow coming into

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Speaker 2: I will I'll change zip codes. I'll just keep moving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I when this question gets brought up or we

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Speaker 2: I will say too, depending on the day of the hunt.

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Speaker 2: If this is early season, you've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: I pretty much run the same play all day, whether

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Speaker 2: Like use that the old phrase win in Rome right

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Speaker 2: If there's lots of water, I mean not set at

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Speaker 2: I would call there is. I would. I would sit down.

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Speaker 2: I'd make a few cow calls. I might even whenever

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Speaker 2: I splashed the stick and splashed wallow mud into my

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Speaker 1: Why do you yeah, yeah, We've got to watch quite

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Speaker 2: and then sixty yards of trees. And we got to

428
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 2: the edge of the trees and I said, okay, Austin,

429
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: you slip out the edge of these trees. I'm like,

430
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: I think that bull is right there. Don't get caught.

431
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, just ease out, keep your head on a swevel,

432
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: don't get caught, because I bet that thing stand there looking, watching,

433
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: and he got to the edge of those trees. Sure enough,

434
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: I heard hoofbeats take off running. So I doubled my

435
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: efforts on calling. I start snapping, snapping sticks and twigs

436
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: and started raking, and then started cow calling, and then

437
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: another little wimpy bugle, and within a minute I heard thwining,

438
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: twack or whack whatever. I hear the bow go off

439
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: and the arrow hit and the here a crash off

440
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 2: and it crashes away and then circles around and comes

441
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 2: running right over by me. I didn't I couldn't see.

442
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 2: It's too thick, but it died like forty yards for me.

443
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: And yeah, it turns out and all the while after

444
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: the shot, that other that bowl was still bugling. Well,

445
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: this was a different bull. So there was a bachelor

446
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: group of young bulls. I think the one that was

447
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: bugling was a young bull too. He just sounded like

448
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: it could be wrong. But the one Austin Shaw was

449
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: a little four point probably should have been a spike

450
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: but had four points, and he said he kind of

451
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: felt bad because he's like yeah, and it kind of

452
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: ran off and then it kind of stopped and looked

453
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: and turned around him, come running back and had its

454
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 2: head kind of bob inside to side, and it kind

455
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: of kicked up its little heels a little bit, like

456
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: kind of like kind of frolicking along. It come right

457
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: up to him like twenty yards and he whacked it.

458
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 1: So you ended up calling the bull back in that

459
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: he bumped when seen him. Yep, yeap, gotcha.

460
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: So and the moral of the story with that is, well,

461
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: there's two Like, like I said earlier, when in Rome,

462
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: do as the Romans, you do the same kind of calling.

463
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna if they're not being aggressive, just

464
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: talk to him. And then if you spook one, just

465
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: keep up your calling. Because elk don't trust their eyes.

466
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll be like, oh, I thought that was something else.

467
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: I guess it's an elk I heard, because then you

468
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: make a bunch of noise and you sound like an elk,

469
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: and they'll a lot of times they'll come back.

470
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, as long as they don't win you, usually

471
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: you're all right. You know, they can hear something they

472
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: don't like. They can maybe see something they don't like.

473
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: But as long as your your wind's been good, yeah,

474
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: I would at least. I mean, I always go to it.

475
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: You try to call when something's books and if they stopped, great,

476
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: and if not, they keep running. But I don't know

477
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, I always wonder like, are

478
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: you going to educate them? But then I don't like

479
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: you said, as long as they don't smell you, I

480
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: think you're still still all right.

481
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we're early enough season two. It's

482
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: those elk hadn't been messed with. They're still in their

483
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: summer pattern. They had, you know, no human interactions all summer.

484
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: They're pretty pretty collable. Just from the curiosity standpoint. I think.

485
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: I've I've been. I was out last went out the

486
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: Friday before, which would have been I believe August thirtieth,

487
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: so thirtieth thirty first, and then our opener was on

488
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: the first, so we've talked about it before. I do

489
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: a special tag that basically goes from September first to

490
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: December thirty first, and if I could rewind time, you know,

491
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: two months ago, I was thinking like I'm gonna be

492
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: out there the first week of September. We're gonna have

493
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: a big bowl located, We're going to sit on him,

494
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to kill him in that first week

495
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: before all the archer hunters get a crack at him.

496
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: I found out over the last six or the first

497
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: six day of September that that was an absolute crazy

498
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: plan and it was never going to happen this year

499
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: because there are no mature bulls anywhere near these cows yet.

500
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: So Washington, one of the best units in western Washington,

501
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: seem to be trailing just from what I've seen around

502
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: my house and areas. They're just the mature bulls weren't.

503
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: With the herds. We were seeing one hundred to one

504
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty elk a day, plus or minus, not

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: counting evening and morning. You know, you add all those together,

506
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are the same elk. We

507
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: would see groups of thirty forty elk with a spike

508
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: or two in the group. You know, everything's got velvet

509
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: on it, and there's not a hard horn bowl in

510
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: the herd, which which was concerning to me because I

511
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: feel like we all have seen the stage where the

512
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: raghorns run the herd for a little bit. We weren't

513
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: even there yet. We were I'm like, oh, boy, like

514
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: farther away than I think. But but what I think happened

515
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: is that that scenario of the poor little raghorns, the

516
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: two and a half and three and a half year

517
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: old bulls didn't get very long because they're Towards Thursday Friday,

518
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: which was the fifth and the sixth, some more mature

519
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: bowls started showing up. And I'm getting reports back now

520
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: from guys that are up there that there are you know,

521
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: decent six point herd bowls kind of running the herds now.

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: But it was a it was an extremely slow start

523
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: here in Washington and very frustrating as an elk hunter

524
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: because what I found myself doing is I was kind

525
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: of my head was out of the game, Like I

526
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: just assumed every herd we ran into is just gonna

527
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: have spikes in it, because we were seeing it, you know,

528
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: over and over. We would we would get up high,

529
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: work our tails off, and go spot three or four

530
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: different herds first thing in the morning from a high

531
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: point and not see a single you know, herd bowl.

532
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: And so what we tried to do was just cover

533
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: lots and lots of ground. Like similar to what you

534
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: said earlier, you're gonna just keep hunting and go trying

535
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: to find the one. We were just trying to find

536
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: the one, you know, the one herd that maybe had

537
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: picked up a big bowl early or or had you know,

538
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: the first hot cow, because you know, I've did some

539
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: podcasts with some biologists and they always talk about the

540
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: health of the cows is what gets them to come

541
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: in early, and kind of kicks that off, and like, well,

542
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: we're in a we're in a great unit. You know,

543
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: it's western Washington, not a not a huge snowload. These

544
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: things should be coming in really good shape. So I

545
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: was kind of baffled, but we just we just put

546
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: on tons and tons of miles. But by time, you know,

547
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: my my sixth day hunt was over, we did have

548
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: a decent six point kind of join a herd, not

549
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: quite what we're looking for yet, and so it was

550
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: trying to get turned. And then I've been watching my

551
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: cameras pretty regularly, but they're either you know, the elk

552
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: are on a pretty a pretty big pattern too, and

553
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: so they're just not existing on my cams right now.

554
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: But it seems like they're two or three days off,

555
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: two or three days on, they'll kind of rolling in,

556
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: really hang in that base. And so a real slow

557
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: start here in Washington. I've said it a lot on here,

558
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: back in the day, I would argue with anybody, like

559
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: the rut's gonna happen from you know, it's gonna you know,

560
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: the bulls are gonna be in the herd August twenty

561
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: fifth to October fifth around home, you know, in Roosevelt Country,

562
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: and it's you're gonna see your peak from nine ten

563
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: to nine to twenty five. And man, I'm almost from

564
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, I feel like it's getting later and

565
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: later every year. But it could just be you know,

566
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: happenstance or coincidence. But this this rut this year seems like,

567
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: at the rate it's at, it's either all gonna happen

568
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: very intensely in the middle of September or it's just

569
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: going to drag out a little.

570
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: Bit longer in that particular place.

571
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: In that particular place. But all of you know, all

572
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: the reports we're seeing at least here seemed to be

573
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: that it was it was a pretty slow start. But

574
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: we uh, you know, with us falling along on social media,

575
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: getting lots of uh, you know, post sent to us

576
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: and and people tagging us in posts. It seems like

577
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: the last two or three days things have really kind

578
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: of turned the corner, you know, on the elk elk rut,

579
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: and the success is starting to kind of kind of

580
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: be where we expect it to be for this time

581
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: of year.

582
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like anytime you get to around

583
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: the tenth from the tenth on, it usually starts picking

584
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: up pretty good on up to the fifteenth and then

585
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: depend on where you're at. I mean, sometimes you know,

586
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: later in the month's good, sometimes earlier in the month's good,

587
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: but usually by the tenth it's good. Just you're starting

588
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: to pick up those bugles just about anywhere to go.

589
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I'm hoping we're gonna go down to New

590
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: Mexico for an archery l hunt and then I'll be

591
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: able to come back and jump in on that unit

592
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and it should be cranking by that time.

593
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fingers crossed Buddy, Corey Miller, he's he's hunting. He

594
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: went hunting with a friend. He don't have a tag there,

595
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: but he went hunting with a friend in that unit.

596
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I have an archery tag for and opening weekend, and

597
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: he said there were bulls bugle and all over the place,

598
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: saw tons of ol heard bulls bugling. He said they

599
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: weren't aggressive, they weren't just screaming their brains out. He said,

600
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: they were just talking.

601
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Gotcha, yeah, I got. I got a good report for

602
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: my buddy Jerry with for Love of the Hunt Loh

603
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: Outfitters in New Mexico. He said on September first and second,

604
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: their first season opener. He's never seen it that good

605
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: ever down in New Mexico, but it was kind of

606
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: a weird. I talked to him again today. They had

607
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: like a crazy September first second, you know, two hundred

608
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: and fifty plus bugles a morning, both those mornings, and

609
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: it kind of like tailed off. They got some hot weather,

610
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: they had some weather move in and things kind of

611
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: killed it off. So you know, we always argue whether

612
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: the weather affects it or this. You know, moon affects it,

613
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: weather affects it, but it may not affect it completely.

614
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's definitely one of those like factors

615
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: that plays in to the action you're getting. Because he said,

616
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: there's no reason for it to just die like that. Besides,

617
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: the temperature jumped fifteen to twenty degrees all on one day,

618
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: so it's you know, it was cranking down there. But yeah,

619
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: I think I I think it's gonna be It's gonna

620
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: be about right here, you know, nine to fifteen, middle

621
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: of September. Things should be going, you know, really really good.

622
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to get out. I'm gonna head

623
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: out tomorrow and go pack in for a couple of days,

624
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: basically a scouting trip for my rifle tag in Idaho.

625
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: This I got it, picked up a second rifle tag

626
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: tag for Idaho and and scout for next September too.

627
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to you know, see some here, some bugles,

628
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: and see some action. Maybe I'll get an archery tag

629
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: for there next year. But I'm going to pack my

630
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: rifle for mister Bear. I'm hoping to hoping to find

631
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: a bear, maybe a huckleberry patch with a bear in it,

632
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: and that'd be awesome, but I probably won't be so lucky.

633
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I uh well yeah, New Mexico. And then

634
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: you're going to be in Idaho with you know, Bradley

635
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: and Cody are good buddies, so that'll be you know,

636
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: fun to to kind of check in with you guys

637
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: when you get back from that one and see how

638
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: everything goes. I found myself this tag that I've got

639
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: pretty unique. I'll have two days the rifle Hut when

640
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I get back, but I'm frantically getting my mussloaders set

641
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: up this week because one of the conditions in my

642
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: tag is I can hunt from September first to thirty first,

643
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: but uh, I have to use the weapon if if

644
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: there's a season in that unit at that time, I

645
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: have to use that weapon. So I didn't plan on

646
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: using my mussloader. I didn't realize that the muzzleloader hunt

647
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: in this unit starts a week earlier, and so oh,

648
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm strapping on uh, you know the one X

649
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: scope that's now allowed in in Washington, and made some

650
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: changes to my ultimate, my seven hundred ultimate musloader, put

651
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: a new breech plug in there, so I can, you know,

652
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: extend my rains a little bit from what a typical

653
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: muzzloader should be able to do.

654
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: Typical muzzleloader, I think you can run out there about

655
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: one hundred yards with the catcher's met and pick up

656
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: that that round ball coming at you can't.

657
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Talk yeah, or catch that the you know, is it

658
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Sabbath or some sabo I kind of sends in.

659
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of how you comb your hair.

660
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: Since you don't have any any hair at all, maybe

661
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: you could say Sabbath.

662
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. So some of these guys, you know, you get

663
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: out there one hundred and fifty yards, you just catch

664
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: it tumbling because the thing's done spinning. It's like, I

665
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: give up on this. I'm a short, fat little bullet

666
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start tumbling. But no, that's gonna be fun.

667
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: I haven't you know, I got the muzzled hunt last year,

668
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: but prior to that, I hadn't really muzzled or hunted

669
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: you in the last ten years. So I love always

670
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: picking that up. But I'm not gonna lie. I really

671
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: hope I can get it done with the rifle in

672
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: those first two days and not have to pick a

673
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: muzzleloader up. But I'm going to be prepared for that.

674
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you intended on hunting with Grandpa's old rifle.

675
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: I did, and that kind of fell through, didn't it.

676
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Dang it?

677
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Oh it was. It's kind of hard. I don't you

678
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about it? I'm still a little emotional

679
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: about it, Derek, No, not not really, but I I

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Grandpa had a gun that it always kind of came

681
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: out prior to hunting season. You know, my dad's family

682
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: very tight knit and close, and we'd always go side

683
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: our guns in together, so as everybody grabs your hunt rifle,

684
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: we all go out to the range and meal shoot

685
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: our guns. Well that time every year, this beautiful gun

686
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: would get pulled out of the you know, out of

687
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: the gun cabinet at Grandpa's and nobody ever got to

688
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: hunt with it. Grandpa just trusted as old thirty odd

689
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: six and the old seven mag would get put back.

690
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: So I always remember this gun being around, and happened

691
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: to be on a family vacation and my uncle that

692
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: has the gun was there and I'm like, you think

693
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: Grandpa would want me to kill an elk with that gun?

694
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't see why not, and which was

695
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: a surprising answer. I was expecting him to say, no,

696
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: it's not meant to be hunted with, or it's not

697
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: going to be hunted with. And my dad and uncles

698
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: all kind of agreed, and Grandma kind of agreed, and

699
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: so I got it all set up. But I'm like, man,

700
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: this thing's got a ten pound trig you know, it's

701
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: an old Mauser action. My grandpa's cousin, Chet built a stalk,

702
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: which is like the most beautiful piece of quilted maple ever.

703
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: It's just it was a beautiful gun. So I get

704
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: it all set up and I'm like, or get it

705
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: from him, and I'm like, this triggers ten pounds. This

706
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: ain't gonna work. And then I'm like, it's got like

707
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: a nineteen forties Bushnell on a I don't know when,

708
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: but it's older than the Hills, and that's not going

709
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: to work. So I get a loophole, you know, just

710
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: a three and a half to ten. I don't want

711
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: any long. I just want it to be more like

712
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: what it was, almost identical scope to the Bushnell like size,

713
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: and everything gets a trigger put on. Take it to

714
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: the gunsmith. And now we know nowadays, like this, the

715
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: swivel stud was actually bolted into the barrel, you know,

716
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: so now everything that we know, like you bet the

717
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: action and that barrel should float from the No, this

718
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: thing was bolted in. So my gunsmith mills it out

719
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: and puts a nut in there and gets gets it

720
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: all set up so we're not touching the barrel and

721
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: get everything set up. It's got a two pound trigger

722
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: on the nose, and so I will go and grab

723
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: a box of bullets and I grab a couple of

724
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: my reloads that I used to shoot, you know that

725
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: I used to shoot on my old seven mag and

726
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: take it to the range. And I first took it

727
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: up to my magneto speed, so I wanted to get

728
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: some speed testing out. And this gun is spitting the

729
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: bullets like estimated spread at ten right. This thing's very

730
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: very tight. Speeds are all very consistent out of this gun.

731
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm all right, we're going to be good. But those

732
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: bayonets affect your accuracy. So I go take that off

733
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: and start to shoot for a group, and I am

734
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: just fighting this thing all over the board. At one

735
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards, it's it's everywhere here left, right, up, down,

736
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: and so I just I'm like, I'm not touching the

737
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: scope anymore. I'm just gonna shoot three groups, three three

738
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: shot groups, let the gun cool down five to ten

739
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: minutes between each group, and I the best one of

740
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: those three was like a four inch group at one

741
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: hundred and I'm like, Man, you know, yeah, it's a

742
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: hunt that we should be able to call elk in.

743
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: Do I need to be able to shoot any better

744
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: than that? But that's like ideal conditions off of a bench,

745
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: and if you have to shoot two hundred yards, I

746
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: just it's it's I'll get this gun fixed up and

747
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: hunt with it eventually, but I owe it to the

748
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: animals not to go out there with the gun that

749
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: I have that much confidence in. So Grandpa's gun is

750
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: going to be saved for a different day. But it's

751
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: an absolutely beautiful you know, ninety eight fn Mauser action.

752
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: It's got like the half lock safety, it's it's done

753
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: up really nice. But Grandma gave me permission the other

754
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: night to to send it off to a gunsmith if

755
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: we need to and get it kind of dialed in

756
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: and work up a load. So at some point we're

757
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna hunt with this thing, just not on this hunt.

758
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Oh man. Yeah, So I was bummed for you. I

759
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's a beautiful gun, beautiful story. And

760
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: then but to be continued, I guess.

761
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well we'll find a western Washington elk with it.

762
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it needs to be a Western Washington Bolks.

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: That's really where you know, Grandpa did all of his hunting.

764
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't do all the traveling that I

765
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: do now, and everything was kind of done around home.

766
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll figure it out. We'll find something to

767
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: hunt around here.

768
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it'll happen. It'll happen.

769
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, it's a yeah, it's just cool that

770
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: the family kind of like decided that that, you know,

771
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: guns are meant to be hunted with and you know,

772
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: put meat in the cooler. So yeah, well we'll want

773
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: with it here one of these one of these days.

774
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: But well, and then what do you have after So

775
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: you're going to have a late archery hunt in Idaho

776
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: as well, or you just have a rifle hunt.

777
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: So the fifteenth through the thirtieth in Idaho September for

778
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: my archery and then rifle in Idaho here in October.

779
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: So that's what I was going to scout for here

780
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: for a few days before ago on my archery hunt,

781
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: and then of course Oregon that's coming up in November,

782
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: first week in November basically, so yeah, more more rifle

783
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: heavy this year. You know, dang it, I'm just I'm

784
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: dying that I'm not out chasing Elk right now.

785
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you and Austin are just too good.

786
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, just too good. You know, we made plans to

787
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 2: take up a lot of time at this first part

788
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: of the season, and then you know that all fell through.

789
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's good. I know. One I want to

790
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: note that you you promote the Maverick, but I believe

791
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: your son Austin, who killed the Elk, is a big

792
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: user of the pink. So I don't care what calls

793
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: were used. I do want to point out that's nice

794
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: seen the video one time that you're.

795
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: All of a sudden up. I was set up. He

796
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: put that in his in his in his uh in

797
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: his call pouch to uh to full with me and

798
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: fouled me up. I almost disown him for it.

799
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's been good so far. We've uh,

800
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: we've got to do some I don't know if we

801
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: should even talk about. We got some exciting stuff coming

802
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: out for next year on the olcohol category. It's it's

803
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: always fun because in Elk season we get to go

804
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: out and test new stuff, right or ideas that we

805
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: had to see if it's worth a crap. You know,

806
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: sometimes things pen salt good on paper or in the office,

807
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: you're like, I think this thing's got some legs. We

808
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: should go out and test it, and then we get

809
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: to go out and actually put it. So that's one thing.

810
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people I don't know whether

811
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: they do or not, but we're always testing stuff prior

812
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: to ever releasing it. You know, I don't think we've

813
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: ever really released a product that we haven't got a

814
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: year on to fine tune, tweak, make changes. And so

815
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: we're out there testing new stuff. We've got a lot

816
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: of our other guys out there testing new stuff, and

817
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: and that's all to provide better calls. And and I'm

818
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna go on a little bit of a tangent here, Dirk,

819
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: you grab me and bring me back down the center

820
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: if we need to call there. You know, there's there's

821
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: this competition calling side, which we support. We've got great

822
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: callers that use our stuff. But everything that me and

823
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Dirk do is for hunting. Like I feel like hunting

824
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: calls ELK calls are meant to fill the freezer. They're

825
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: a tool to help a good hunter be able to

826
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: fill the freezer. And so that's what we're looking for.

827
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: We're not looking for the absolute best stage call. We're

828
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: not looking you know, even though sometimes he's sings correlate

829
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: and overlap. We're looking for does this new call just

830
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: absolutely rattle the canyon? Does this new call allow people

831
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: to run this call and sound right with it? You know?

832
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: You know, we can build the best diaphragms in the world,

833
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: but if somebody can't use a diaphragm, they need the

834
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: easy sucker or the next best thing, which is what

835
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: we're out there. We're out there, you know, trying to

836
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: test these hunting calls, and we give some samples the

837
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: not very good callers, like, hey, can you use is

838
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: did it give you the confidence to call? And so

839
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that boy you called

840
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: in for Austin you had everything you used was something

841
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: new that we don't even have in the lineup currently.

842
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh it. The bowl was called in by this combination,

843
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: the first bull elk ever called in in the history

844
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 2: of humankind with this specific kind of bugle tube and

845
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: this kind of diaphragm too. Now, I will say now,

846
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: the diaphragm part of it was new, but the latex

847
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: was good old Maverick latex. I mean, let's see, he

848
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: got I mean, and that's you built me that call

849
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: at Turkey Camp back in April May, and I've been

850
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: horning on that thing since then and it's still ripping.

851
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty excited to see, uh, these diaphragms come out.

852
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: And then also that tube. The cool factor of the tube,

853
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I feel, I feel like lately

854
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: bougie tubes have become a thing. I don't know, it's

855
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: it's they've they've they've kind of some people have taken

856
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: things up a notch with with bougie tubes. Now are

857
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: they better? Who knows? But I think you can go like,

858
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: like we've said before, you can call in Elk with

859
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: the radiator hose if you had to. But the cool

860
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: factor of this tube that I used, it's pretty damn

861
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: cool and I can't wait to show everybody that. But

862
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: this this was your brain child. And then we have

863
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: another tube we have coming out that's super cool too,

864
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: And I haven't I haven't taken into the field yet,

865
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna take it here later in September and

866
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: run it through the paces and and I hope, I

867
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: hope that well, it's gonna do great. It sounds sounds great.

868
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't play with it.

869
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then our process as we go out, you know,

870
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: dur say, hey, I didn't like this or this about

871
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: this tube, and I'll go out and like, I really

872
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: like this or this about this tube, and we'll come

873
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: up with the pros and the cons list of every product, like, hey,

874
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: this this diaphragm sounds great but doesn't last as long,

875
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: or this diaphragm lasts forever but doesn't sound great. And

876
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: so we'll tell you we'll kind of look at all

877
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: of the feedback we get from all of our users,

878
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: all of our pro staffs, all of our testers, and

879
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can like accomplish or or get

880
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: all the cons removed without affecting all the pros, you know.

881
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: And so we'll take a look at this and try

882
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: to dial this up. And then we've got to make

883
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: some quick changes to get these out for the twenty

884
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: twenty five production. So that's that's part of the process

885
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: that I absolutely love that, you know, I nerd out

886
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: on is, you know, and Dirk helps me a lot

887
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: on this is Hey, we don't want to give this

888
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: or this up, but we do need to tweak this.

889
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: We've had enough guys say, you know, this is bad

890
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: about it, and we'll try to make the tweaks and

891
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: if not, we'll throw it back on the design rack

892
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: for a year and try to test it again in

893
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: the future. But if it's small enough tweaks that we

894
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: can live with, we'll we'll go to production.

895
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: And you know what, I let you know what I

896
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: love about this process the most is because I'm not

897
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: like a yes man. If anything, I'm like I can

898
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: if Jason says it's white, I say black immediately.

899
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a thief of joy in this process for me,

900
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: I am and I don't know if I want to

901
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: say a pain or a thorn, but it's something in

902
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: my ass the whole. You're a giant thorn or a pain.

903
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: But it's good. It's good because if Dirk just said

904
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: yes to everything, it would just you know, when we'd

905
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: push it through. Versus if he's got some you know, feedback,

906
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: then it forces me to kind of can we make

907
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: a change, And then you know, how's it affect the costs,

908
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: How's it affect the tooling, How's it affect all of

909
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: these things? And so we work pretty well together on this.

910
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, you are a giant pain in my ass,

911
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: but I'll hand you back over the mic.

912
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the finish. Well, the reason is is because I'm

913
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: just advocate for the for the hunter, the for the

914
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: the caller who who may not be you know, well

915
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: versed in calls and maybe they're new or or maybe

916
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: they don't get it or whatever. Like I've I spent

917
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: eighteen years work in retail, interfacing with customers every day

918
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: in the tire business that didn't understand tires or vehicles

919
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times. And man, you you just assume

920
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: people know something about something, but you don't wanna you

921
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to assume people know

922
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: anything about the calls or but I don't want to,

923
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: you know, talk down to him either. So I just

924
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: try to advocate for the consumer. Like, we have to

925
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: make these as user friendly as possible. They have to

926
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: be they have to have some cool factor, they have

927
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: to be usable, they have to sound right. There's a

928
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: whole bunch of things they have to that that that

929
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: check off the list. And yeah, and and and and

930
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like, God, Phelp's gonna hate me for this.

931
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: And I'm like that thing stupid, that's dumb. I don't

932
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: like that idea, And I'll just say it and I'm like,

933
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: I here we go. And I know he's thinking, oh god,

934
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: here we go. There we get and I know he

935
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: don't like it because sometimes he'll hold these projects pretty

936
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: tight to his He'll like he'll he'll hold that little

937
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: baby bird egg all the way to the end, and

938
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: they're like, oh yeah, where guy? Is everybody too late

939
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: for any changes? And like that's the trick, Helps, that's

940
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: a trick. You just wait till like you're under the

941
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: gun and there's no extra float in the time and

942
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: the schedule. You're like, hey, Derek, it's unfortunately I'd love to,

943
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, to look at that, but we've got to

944
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: push the button now. I'm just kidding. There are times

945
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: where we're under the gun, but you like the labrador

946
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: like sniffing, sniffing pockets for treats. What are you working on, Phelps?

947
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: You know? And then it's been challenging because there there

948
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: are things. You know, we're good at running a diaphragm, right,

949
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: So most callers that are good running the diaphragm find

950
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: a tube with the right back pressure and sound and

951
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: you're almost ninety nine percent of the way done. But

952
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: we've been challenged over the last three years, which we

953
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: get the chance we're one of the few guys. Well

954
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: I guess not, but we're one of the guys. We

955
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: get to sit in our own booth, right and we

956
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: get to hear hundreds and hundreds of guys walk through

957
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: our booth until say, yeah, I just man, I wish

958
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: i'd call like you guys, but we just can't use

959
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: a diaphragm, or I don't like the beagle, but I

960
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: like the cal call. So we've actually been we tasked

961
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: ourselves and challenge ourselves to design the easy bugler, which

962
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: we're not going to probably use. It's it's got a

963
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: case we design, you know. We challenge ourselves to design

964
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: the easy sucker, which we're probably not going to use

965
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: because we're good enough with a diaphragm. We we've got

966
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: something new coming out next year which we probably won't

967
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: use a whole lot. But but it's it's kind of

968
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: fun to go backwards and like, let's pretend we don't

969
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: know how to make an out call. Can we make

970
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: these things so simple, stupid easy to run that guys

971
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: that have you know, issues with their mouth, you know,

972
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: or they're just the inability to call can then also

973
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: still find the same success or the ability to call

974
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: in the woods. And so that's been kind of a

975
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: fun undertaking where I think, you know, a lot of

976
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: other companies are just designing those mainstream diaphragms, beagle tubes,

977
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: external cal calls. I feel like we've really kind of

978
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: went after it from a hey, we're gonna have to

979
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheel or a new process, right, and so

980
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: it's challenged us to like figure out new ways to

981
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: make that happen, and that's been well received.

982
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we're you know, fixing real,

983
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: real solutions for real world problems. I don't know if

984
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: that's a movie line or something.

985
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, well if not, you should probably trademark that.

986
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Write that down, Yeah.

987
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Right, write it down. But no, you know that's you know,

988
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: we've got something new which I think is going to

989
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: be amazing for next year.

990
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: You know.

991
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: And you challenged me a lot on that. You didn't

992
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: like the sound, and so I would sit in my

993
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: my nerd lab here and cut something up or you know,

994
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: run out and build some new voices. And I think

995
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I think we're all going to be excited where that landed.

996
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: So I know we're talking in a lot of hidden bs,

997
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: but I think you guys, you know, any elk hunter

998
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: that uses our calls or any calls is going to

999
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: be able to benefit from what we've got coming out

1000
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: in twenty five on the on the elk side.

1001
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phelps, he hadn't even sent me one of those yet.

1002
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: And I had to get up in front of our

1003
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: corporate full our whole company, at a corporate meeting, go

1004
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: to market meeting for twenty twenty five and present you

1005
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: know these new cool calls, and I'm like, wait, now,

1006
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: what what are these? Like? Phelps, I haven't even tried

1007
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: this thing yet. And the first time I blow and

1008
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm like this saying sucks, and I send him in it.

1009
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: I send him a scathing text message in a video

1010
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: like this saying sucks. But Corey, thank goodness, Corey, our

1011
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: business manager's he was pretty good with it. And I

1012
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like the process that they made

1013
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: the manufacturer there was a three D printed or something

1014
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: that I don't think mine was the same as his,

1015
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: because I just couldn't get it to work. But since

1016
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: then we've we've sat down and spent a few hours

1017
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: on the phone back and forth. I think we got

1018
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: it dialed.

1019
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: And that's what's nice. You've got a press at your house.

1020
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: I've got to press at our house. So I say, hey,

1021
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: build one of these. You build one, you go a

1022
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: little bit different. You tell me to build one of those,

1023
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: and we're able to like hone in on these things,

1024
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, really really quick. So yeah, I think I

1025
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: think we're gonna knock out of the park. I'm excited

1026
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. You know, you get

1027
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: to go test the new stuff. We gotta go test

1028
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: some new stuff and kind of just see how they

1029
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: perform in the field and then it should all translate

1030
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: to better OLT calls for everybody. And just continuing to

1031
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: push the envelope on the ELK call side.

1032
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it's kind of a bread and butter.

1033
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: We just we've that's kind of how how we got

1034
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: it known as the ELK Call Company, and we've branched

1035
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: into other stuff, of course, but we still we still

1036
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: love our ELK calls and still keep pushing that envelope.

1037
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So anything else you want to talk about

1038
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: on today's episode, Derek, Anything else. That's it's it's September.

1039
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Anything else that you've thought of that we haven't talked

1040
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: about all year?

1041
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, I feel like you're just setting me up here,

1042
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: and maybe you've you've thought of something. I feel like

1043
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: we should have a contest or something to to the

1044
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: loser has to dress up like a I don't know

1045
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: what you know, but.

1046
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: Last time we did that, it didn't work out good

1047
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: in my favor.

1048
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: I know, and that's why I want to do it,

1049
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: because my motivation to win. I know that even with

1050
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: that really humongous order that we got for the pink

1051
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: the pink diaphragms, in case anybody needs to needs a

1052
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: pink diaphram and they like them, you might want to

1053
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: go pick them up at a certain retailer because I

1054
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: feel like they fat fingered their order. They ordered a

1055
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: whole bunch. And that's the only reason Jason got ahead

1056
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: of me. This summer on on call sales, the Pink

1057
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: ones sold more than the Maverick. But here in the

1058
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: last you know, as always, you know my people, the

1059
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: Maverick folks are just coming in. They're just bringing the heat.

1060
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: It's just raining what you're saying.

1061
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: There are people like me. They're the procrastinators and they're

1062
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: just like making it rain on those things like I

1063
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: don't know that you're not around. You go around here

1064
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: in the Treasure Valley, try to buy a Maverick. I'll

1065
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: challenge it. You probably can't even buy one, so they'll

1066
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: sold out.

1067
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, you segued into that, I do want

1068
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: to make it like, I want to put it on

1069
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: record that I don't think there's any way that Maverick

1070
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: can catch up this year unless there's like a big

1071
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Black Friday movement or something. It's got to be huge.

1072
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: Thank to Maverick is now number two.

1073
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: No, it's caught up. I think it's caught up and

1074
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: pulling ahead, like if it's like the old dark horse Man.

1075
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, on the next podcast, we're gonna

1076
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: get some official numbers from Corey and we're gonna report

1077
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: what are those when they corrected? On the next episode,

1078
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do one of those and we'll yeah, we'll

1079
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: give you like a correction to the record.

1080
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: You'll make me eat some humble pie.

1081
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Then yeah, no, No, it's it's all good. It's a

1082
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: it's a healthy little battle, and it seems like we

1083
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: definitely have our camps and both are good calls, so

1084
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: it's always fun to create a arrival rivalry within the

1085
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: same brand.

1086
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of people like both

1087
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: of them.

1088
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's all good. So well, thanks for jumping on, Derek.

1089
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I know we're busy. It's the middle of September, even

1090
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: though we're both stuck at home unfortunately for a little bit.

1091
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: But we'll both be back out chasing bowls here within

1092
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: with the week. And uh yeah, any advice you got one?

1093
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: One last little piece of advice for for people out

1094
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: el cunting the September.

1095
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've only got so many ilk and so many

1096
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: Septembers in your lifetime. You made plans you're gonna go hunt,

1097
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's just a weekend or a couple

1098
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: of days, or maybe you have the rest of the

1099
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: month to hunt. Don't waste it. Go dig in. Try

1100
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: hard every day. If it's day one, try hard as

1101
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: as it was if it was day ten. Because when

1102
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: about on a ten day hunt, when it's about day eight,

1103
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: you're like, dang it, I should have been shouldn't have

1104
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: been on autopilot the first part of the hunt. I

1105
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: should have been hunting harder. It seems like it's easy

1106
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: to fall on that rut and then you know, give

1107
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: it you're all, don't go home early. Just if it's

1108
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: if you're if you're having some struggles hunting, you know,

1109
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: too hot, not enough help, bugles, too many people, whatever,

1110
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: just don't give up. Just stick it out, see it through,

1111
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: because it can change in an instant. Even on Austin's hunt,

1112
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: I think it was day three actually when he killed.

1113
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: But but man, it was miserable. It was hot as

1114
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: all get out is in the nineties every day and

1115
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: there's no ELK activity. You know. I'm just like, man,

1116
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: what are we doing up here? There's people everywhere. Maybe

1117
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: we should just go home and try again later on.

1118
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: But his time was very limited, so I'm like, no,

1119
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna just keep sticking it out, and uh guess

1120
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: what it just it can turn around that fast.

1121
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's That's really similar to my best advice I've

1122
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: got is, you know, go where other people won't go.

1123
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Find ELK that aren't being messed with. Go, you know,

1124
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: if it go the extra you know mile, so to speak,

1125
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: if you need to get into a basin where nobody

1126
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: else is touching if you need if you think the

1127
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: alkor in that you know, mess a timber or that

1128
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: old growth piece. And nobody's going in there because they'd

1129
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: rather sit up above tree line in glass like go

1130
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: into that patch of timber, like do what others aren't

1131
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: willing to do. To go find success, you know, go

1132
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: make success. It's not just gonna, you know, very rarely

1133
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: is it just gonna fall into your lap and you're

1134
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna get lucky. You got to create that luck. And

1135
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: so you know, walk a little rather, hike a little higher,

1136
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: get up a little earlier, you know, stay out a

1137
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: little later. Whatever it is. Those little things that give

1138
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: you an advantage are going to add up, you know,

1139
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: in the end. And and uh we joke about all

1140
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: the time, and we got a new film coming out

1141
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. But it just takes one It just

1142
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: takes one elk to do the right things or to

1143
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: be in that right area, or to read the script

1144
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: and to find success. And that hunt's going to flip

1145
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: on a uh, you know, a one eighty real quickly.

1146
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: So just do everything you need to. You're gonna be fine.

1147
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: If you get back to camp a half hour later,

1148
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: if you've got to turn your head lamp on and

1149
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: hike the camp later. If you've got to hike in

1150
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: the dark in the morning, get in position to do

1151
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: everything you need to be successful. Yeah.

1152
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: If you if you kill an elk and you get

1153
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: back to camp at two am and a bear has

1154
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: got into your camp and wrecked it like we had

1155
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: happened this year, Yeah, just for all the crap of

1156
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: the back of your truck and get the heck out

1157
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: of there. See, I'd heard from Jason Phelps twice now

1158
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: when he's had a bearon camp with meat and then

1159
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: things are ruthless. They'll climb in the back of your

1160
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: truck and scratch it and everything. And so I'm just like,

1161
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: well it's two am, I am dead tired, but let's go.

1162
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: So we cleaned up the mess the bear made and

1163
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: throw our tent and oliver supplies in the back of

1164
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: the truck and we headed back home and got home

1165
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: at like seven am the next morning, pulling all nighter.

1166
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: Guess what that sucked? Guess what? Ah, it's all a

1167
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: vague memory. Now, that bad part is like, oh yeah, whatever,

1168
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: you kind of laugh it off. You know, you can

1169
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: sleep when you're dead.

1170
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: Yep. Yep. Now I'm finally on a truck right now

1171
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't have bear scratches all over, like a bear

1172
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: entry and a bear exit out of the back of

1173
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: my truck. So I'm pretty stoked about that right now.

1174
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not putting anything back like it was just remnants

1175
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: of the hight and the meat being back there. They

1176
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: would jump up in there. So I don't know how

1177
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: you prevent it, but I'm just it can't happen again,

1178
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: right if it happens again, and I don't know, but yeah,

1179
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for joining Derek, have a great rest

1180
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: of your September. I'm sure everybody else can follow you

1181
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: on social and kind of see how your adventures go.

1182
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to getting down in New Mexico

1183
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: and should be a real fun hunt. And we'll report

1184
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: back on the back side of those trips, and you know,

1185
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: when you're done in Idaho, we'll have to, you know,

1186
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: get back together and you know, do a recap on

1187
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: on the end of September.

1188
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds good. Sounds good.