Speaker 1: Critics just say that you either relaxed or failed to
Speaker 1: enforce sanctions on Iran, allowing all of this money to
Speaker 1: flow into Iran Like Billings.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Donald Trump who pulled who pulled
Speaker 2: out of a deal that would have actually put but
Speaker 2: here Ron in check the estimates and billion during Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's administration, that Ron regime, that we had an American
Speaker 2: military base that was attacked, where American soldiers suffered traumatic
Speaker 2: brain injuries.
Speaker 1: And Kamala Harris with Brett Barry yesterday, and we played
Speaker 1: some of that already in the show, and we'll have
Speaker 1: more of it coming up later in a little punditry
Speaker 1: around that. Just wanted to establish Kamala Harris's voice in
Speaker 1: presidents before we got to Katie Grimes, who's been following
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's career for quite some time. Katie Grahams, if
Speaker 1: you don't know this around the country, is the editor
Speaker 1: in chief of the California Globe, longtime investigative journalists covering
Speaker 1: the California State Capitol. Co author of the book California's
Speaker 1: War Against Donald Trump. Katie Grimes joins the Armstrong and
Speaker 1: Getty Show. Oh Katie, how are you doing today.
Speaker 3: Hi, kak doing well?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 1: So? How long have you known, being a reporter in
Speaker 1: California of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: Since she was district Yeah, since she was first running
Speaker 4: for district attorney.
Speaker 3: And you followed her rise over the years.
Speaker 1: Anything stand out about the current Kamala we're seeing versus
Speaker 1: the Kamala you've known all these years, or any comment
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 4: Well, what's interesting is I think today she really comes
Speaker 4: off like a fish out of water. Back when she
Speaker 4: was San Francisco DA, and even when she was still
Speaker 4: California Attorney General, I think she was operating in her world,
Speaker 4: the world she was familiar with San Francisco and California,
Speaker 4: and she exuded a lot more confidence back then. Today,
Speaker 4: I think she comes off like she's not ready for
Speaker 4: prime time and when she gets caught way she did yesterday,
Speaker 4: unable to answer questions with Brett Bhaer in the Fox interview,
Speaker 4: I actually used the B word to describe her. I'll
Speaker 4: say true, right now.
Speaker 1: Who did you use the B word to when you
Speaker 1: were describing her? Your husband or in the paper?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah I didn't write it, but I would
Speaker 4: say shrew because then you shrew was a woman of
Speaker 4: violent temper, which she is notorious for having. Really and
Speaker 4: I think he really flipped on Brett Bhaer in that
Speaker 4: interview when she just started yelling at him. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that's that's that's Pabla.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's a Rorshock test thing where if you're
Speaker 1: predisposed to not dig her act, it looks like she's,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a bee u where suppose if
Speaker 1: you're a fan, you know, she's just strongly pushing back
Speaker 1: against the the the maga white male of Fox. So
Speaker 1: I guess that's the way that works.
Speaker 3: But so so.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out for a long time,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like you have an answer to this question.
Speaker 3: Is the real Kamala.
Speaker 1: Kamala the cop, Kamala, the prosecutor, Kamala the hard ass
Speaker 1: going after criminals, or is the real Kamala the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen presidential candidate who was a huge failure, who is
Speaker 1: like so soft and lefty and you know, just like
Speaker 1: the very degree of being a liberal, which is a
Speaker 1: real her.
Speaker 3: Well, and you.
Speaker 4: Ask a very very good question, because I think Kamala
Speaker 4: was created at a whole cloth. We've seen this happen
Speaker 4: before with other politicians. Her go to is always total leftism.
Speaker 4: She's very clearly much a Marxist. She's not a tough
Speaker 4: cop type of lawyer or a prosecutor. If she was,
Speaker 4: she actually would have prosecuted not the guys who were
Speaker 4: caught with marijuana, but maybe the guys that sold it
Speaker 4: to them. And that's all she did. She was just
Speaker 4: looking for wins and it didn't matter if they were
Speaker 4: big wins like mailing dealers or suppliers. And that was
Speaker 4: definitely her reputation in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So at what point, and I think you know where
Speaker 1: we're going to go with this, at what point did
Speaker 1: she start dating the most powerful man at the time
Speaker 1: in the entire state of California, Willie Brown.
Speaker 4: She started dating him before she ever got into politics.
Speaker 4: He's the one that facilitated her getting into politics and
Speaker 4: then had the ability to raise the money to make
Speaker 4: her win. And what I understand and have had this
Speaker 4: confirmed via word of mouth, is that when Allanan was
Speaker 4: still the San Francisco District Attorney and Kamala had worked
Speaker 4: for him, he was prosecuting some of Willie Brown's friends.
Speaker 4: I'll say there was some corruption going on in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: I know, you're shocked. And Willie Brown did not want that,
Speaker 4: and so he put Kamela up to it and made
Speaker 4: sure she was so fully funded she could pretty much
Speaker 4: just buy the victory and then all the corruption charges
Speaker 4: went away.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's interesting.
Speaker 1: So Willy Brown, for people who don't know around the country,
Speaker 1: was a mayor in San Francisco. He was a speaker
Speaker 1: in the He was the most powerful man in the
Speaker 1: state government for a very long time. He was the
Speaker 1: most powerful man in the entire state of California. But
Speaker 1: so it wasn't just she was young and hot that
Speaker 1: he was interested in her. He helped her rise up
Speaker 1: through the ranks and made some problems go away for
Speaker 1: him and his friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that continued obviously as she was
Speaker 4: district attorney. And you know, over the years we've certainly
Speaker 4: seen other cases of it. It's good to have a
Speaker 4: district attorney in your back pocket.
Speaker 3: He was married at the time that he had a
Speaker 3: relationship with Kamala Harris. Correct.
Speaker 4: Yes, Willie Brown was a notorious womanizer, and I believe
Speaker 4: they were together a couple of years. And what I
Speaker 4: understand from locals there is she actually broke it off
Speaker 4: because it was pretty evident he wasn't going to leave
Speaker 4: his wife to make a permanent life with her.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess good for her for figuring that out,
Speaker 1: you know, which is obviously kind of obviously you know,
Speaker 1: like if you're watching Sex and the City or whatever.
Speaker 3: But so have you seen that video that is going around?
Speaker 1: I saw it on Twitter where God it's way way
Speaker 1: way back in the day and she's Willie Brown's girlfriend
Speaker 1: and some reporter asks her, Oh, are you his daughter?
Speaker 1: It's at some function and she says no because she's
Speaker 1: so young in that video.
Speaker 4: Oh I know it's it was. Yeah, there was definitely
Speaker 4: and obviously a you know, a large age gap. I
Speaker 4: think it was twenty nine years. But they were, you know,
Speaker 4: as I said, together for two years, and he took
Speaker 4: her on the San Francisco circuit, every fun raiser, Imaginable,
Speaker 4: the opera, the ballet, you know, every event. It was
Speaker 4: probably a great time for her. But it was after
Speaker 4: that that he appointed her to a couple of different commissions.
Speaker 4: So in addition to being a I think she was
Speaker 4: working for the city attorney at that time, making whatever
Speaker 4: a city attorney makes she was also getting paid for
Speaker 4: attending a few meetings a year, and I think it
Speaker 4: was something well over one hundred thousand just for sitting
Speaker 4: on those commissions.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was a good time for her. If you're
Speaker 1: okay with sleeping with somebody who's twice your age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's no way to get inside her head to know,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know he's a very charismatic guy,
Speaker 1: as you know Willie Brown, good looking, well dressed, charismatic,
Speaker 1: powerful guy. I mean that could be very attractive. So
Speaker 1: maybe she actually fell for him, or you know, the
Speaker 1: fact that he was going to be a help. The
Speaker 1: glide path to riches in power is also a recent edatium.
Speaker 3: And so how much of which of the each we
Speaker 3: don't know? I suppose no.
Speaker 4: Other than I My assessment of Kamala is that she's
Speaker 4: incredibly ambitious more is never enough type, and you you
Speaker 4: pair that with perhaps this very average intelligence, and it
Speaker 4: kind of makes her dangerous.
Speaker 3: Okay, that angle of it, the average intelligence?
Speaker 1: What was the what was the belief about her when
Speaker 1: she is running around with with Willie Brown? Where it
Speaker 1: was was everybody saying, man, she's a rising star, She's
Speaker 1: going to be a big deal or or as you're suggesting,
Speaker 1: she's kind of average.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think people were particularly impressed with
Speaker 4: her intellect. I think it was more she uh, you know, young,
Speaker 4: pretty hanging out with Willie, were vibrant.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was it was her youth and and probably her
Speaker 4: ambition as well that people recognized. It was never intellect,
Speaker 4: believe me.
Speaker 1: So you're fairly solid on the idea that she's of
Speaker 1: average intelligence because I've been trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Also if she's just not, because I know some really
Speaker 1: smart people that if you interviewed them with lights and
Speaker 1: cameras would not do very well. I mean, it's its
Speaker 1: own kind of skill to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: But you're pretty solid and feeling like she's actually average intelligence.
Speaker 4: Yes, I absolutely believe that. You know, I don't give
Speaker 4: out IQ tests or anything. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 4: she's shown that many many times over the years. And again,
Speaker 4: ambition always won out. And that's why, you know, as
Speaker 4: I was describing the cases he chose to prosecute in
Speaker 4: San Francisco, even as Attorney General, she was vicious as
Speaker 4: attorney general. She's the one that went after David Delaydon
Speaker 4: who exposed that Planned Parenthood was selling baby parts from
Speaker 4: aborted fetuses.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's the one who went after him, not Planned
Speaker 4: Parenthood or the people that were selling new baby parts.
Speaker 1: Wow, that should be a scandal. Although it's tough for
Speaker 1: anything to break through in our current political environment. As
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're either either on Team Trump
Speaker 1: or not, and it doesn't seem like anything moves the needle.
Speaker 1: Yesterday's interview with Brett Bear will not move the needle
Speaker 1: at all. A near assassination didn't really move the needle,
Speaker 1: So everybody's locked in. We're talking with Katie Grimes, editor
Speaker 1: in chief of the California Globe. A couple of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on before we let you go.
Speaker 1: First of all, as a California I can't believe Adam
Speaker 1: Shift's going to be my senator at some point. That is,
Speaker 1: that is so disgusting to me that he is able
Speaker 1: to benefit from lying about all that Russia stuff and
Speaker 1: all the claims he made for years, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: freaking end up being a senator probably for the next
Speaker 1: thirty years.
Speaker 4: You know, I know that he just makes my skin crawl.
Speaker 4: He is, you know, the epitome of a vile, creepy politician,
Speaker 4: and you're right, Yeah, I am so disgusted that California
Speaker 4: could not find somebody to beat him. It either speaks
Speaker 4: volumes about California or volumes about the Republican Party in California,
Speaker 4: which perhaps is more accurate. But all we can hope
Speaker 4: at this point is that he's mostly neutered because the
Speaker 4: GOP takes back the Senate. So I'm crossing all my
Speaker 4: fingers and toes and saying a daily prayer.
Speaker 1: And one other thing I just wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1: This is kind of for my own personal knowledge. California
Speaker 1: Globe dot Com the headline California mask dictators bringing back
Speaker 1: mask mandates? Who and where are we gonna have mask
Speaker 1: mandates again?
Speaker 4: The Bay Area. There's a several counties in the Bay
Speaker 4: Area that have updated their public health department websites to
Speaker 4: include mask mandates. It is mind boggling that that they're
Speaker 4: going to this again. I pointed out in the article
Speaker 4: masks have been so debunked as having any value of
Speaker 4: stopping a virus. Yeah, they stop bacteria, they don't stop
Speaker 4: a virus. That I think it just shows you that
Speaker 4: we do have a lot of real authoritarians in public health.
Speaker 4: I think they like doing this to people, and if
Speaker 4: they thought it would gain any steam for the rest
Speaker 4: of the state, they'd be thrilled. On an interesting note, Jack,
Speaker 4: that article, when I posted it on Facebook, Facebook took
Speaker 4: it down. So I reposted it, and they took it
Speaker 4: down again. I reposted it and said this time, hey,
Speaker 4: San Francisco Chronicle originated this story. I just did more
Speaker 4: data and research on it. They took it down again.
Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think their argument would be Because
Speaker 1: it's not misinformation, it's just a thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true, that's the point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they claim it was misinformation, they claim it was spam.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just so frustrating. This is what we
Speaker 4: deal with in California.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is troubling.
Speaker 1: That is troubling, and from the side that's claiming that,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to do away with the First Amendment.
Speaker 1: Katie Grimes, you should follow her. You should read this stuff,
Speaker 1: and even if you're not in California, it will affect
Speaker 1: you wherever you are. The editor in chief of the
Speaker 1: California Globe, Katie, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 3: Thank you Jack Yeah Wow.
Speaker 1: Facebook taking down a factual article about mask mandate.
Speaker 3: What more on the way, Stay here Armstrong and Getty