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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my podcast, which doesn't have a name.

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Speaker 1: It's the Nameless Podcast, but it's a show about cool

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Speaker 1: people who did cool stuff, and we're looking for a

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Speaker 1: good name for it, something that really says what it's about.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if either of you all have ideas cool

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Speaker 1: humans did things that were also kind of cool. I

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Speaker 1: do like supper Woodus it is. It does have a

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Speaker 1: nice ring to it, exceper with Deus it is. So

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Speaker 1: my guest this week is not other than Garrison Davis,

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Speaker 1: who is, among other things, the co host of the

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Speaker 1: Very Optimistic Show. It could happen here. Garrison, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing today? I'm doing pretty optimistic? All right. It's

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Speaker 1: when whenever, whenever we talk about post civilization, it has

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Speaker 1: to be optimistic or else. Why are you thinking about it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with that. Yeah, I know you you

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Speaker 1: are you are you are a wizard's foremost expert on

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Speaker 1: post civilization. If if you if you didn't know that's true. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Sophie Lichtterman as well, who's a producer extraordinaire. Sophie,

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Speaker 1: did you know that extraordinarire is an annoying word to spell,

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Speaker 1: and I just appreciate your effort. Then all right, well thanks,

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Speaker 1: I even got it right on the first time. That's

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Speaker 1: one time I spelled bourgeois right on the first time.

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Speaker 1: Who I just have never tried to spell it again.

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Speaker 1: I want to quit while I'm ahead. Fair. So today

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Speaker 1: is part two of our two part series on the

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Speaker 1: public universal Friend, which is a bunch of easy words

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Speaker 1: to spell. Who is a generalist prophet of revolutionary era

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Speaker 1: New England. Who is a sort of cool person doing

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Speaker 1: sort of cool stuff, very cool along gender lines, sort

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Speaker 1: of middling cool in terms of being the head of

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Speaker 1: a religious sect. So let's talk about the end of

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Speaker 1: the world. All of our interests are colliding. So so

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Speaker 1: Puff only had one doomsday prediction as far as I

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Speaker 1: can tell, and it came and went pretty early in

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Speaker 1: their career as a prophet. Yeah, that's That's the problem

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Speaker 1: with making a prediction like four years is that you're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna live to see it. Um, you got you

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Speaker 1: gotta make it further further than nets you get enough

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Speaker 1: enough steam to carry you on through the rest of

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Speaker 1: your life. See you'd think that, But as far as

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Speaker 1: I can tell, basically everyone who predicts the end of

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Speaker 1: the world. You're not wrong. They just it just keeps working.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, so they predicted. Puff predicted

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Speaker 1: as it's the j K Day. Puff wasn't the only

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Speaker 1: person who assumed it was the end times. Millinarian fever

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Speaker 1: second coming of Christ. Well, good thing, we don't deal

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Speaker 1: as millinarian some anymore. I know. Well, fortunately in case

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Speaker 1: we do have to deal with it. But I finally

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Speaker 1: learned when the word where it comes from? Well, would

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Speaker 1: you tell I? I always assumed, because I'm not the

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Speaker 1: smartest person's ever lived, I used to assume that basically

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's like it's like the original Y two

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Speaker 1: I am what's going on? But so like most people

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Speaker 1: all of these Christian end time cults. I believed that

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Speaker 1: where millenarian comes from. And good thing that's no longer

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Speaker 1: Definitely not. I would, however, be a hypocrite for judging

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Speaker 1: people for thinking the end was coming in their lifetimes. Sure.

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Speaker 1: I host another podcast that you all can check out

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Speaker 1: called Lived Like the World Is Dying, which is about

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Speaker 1: community behind and prepared right on the podcast called it

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Speaker 1: Could Happen Here. Yeah, So everyone's thinking this stuff. And

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Speaker 1: Who knows. So a bunch of these revolutionary war assholes,

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Speaker 1: they're not just fighting for no taxation without representation. They're

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Speaker 1: fighting to usher in a thousand years of peace, glory,

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Speaker 1: a flat circle. Yeah, and Okay, I'll be real. I

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Speaker 1: think prophecy is fucking boring and makes for hack writing.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I see prophecies in fiction, I'm like, here we go,

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Speaker 1: read it. I'm saying people might whatever we're talking about

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Speaker 1: trans history here. So the Public Universal Friend figured their

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Speaker 1: prophecy to herald the end of the world because there

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Speaker 1: the Bible talks about forty two months. So Public Universal

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Speaker 1: a moment because on May seventeen eighty, New England had

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Speaker 1: whipper Wheels sung their usual serenade. The people had to

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Speaker 1: does not come to an end. It just keeps going. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but not for Susannah Potter, a universal friend, because she

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Speaker 1: but completely likely Puff tried to resurrect their friend from

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Speaker 1: They did go along in to help sign some treaties

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00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: with the Hodna Shawnee that were like, they were there

428
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: in like a in a reasonably good sense, and they

429
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: were personally well received by the Hoda Shawnee. But I

430
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: don't fucking no overall. In addition to fucking up their

431
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: land purchase, they also fucked up the communal living thing

432
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: because they're Americans and they care about capital p property.

433
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: So when they pulled their funds to buy the parcel

434
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: of land, they then parceled it back out to people

435
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: based on how much they contributed. And why did this

436
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: funk everyone up? Because gentrification the price of land skyrocketed.

437
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: The rich people were suddenly able to sell out everyone else,

438
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: so they did. All the rich people conspired and took

439
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: control of almost all the property they had bought, and

440
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: then they leveraged it and they sold it and they

441
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: all became real estate prospectors. This is not puff. This

442
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: is like the fucking judge and all these other fucking assholes.

443
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: And they made banks selling all the stolen land like

444
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: they brought back like ten times their own investment in

445
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: only a couple of years. Tell me, it's a story

446
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: that you've heard before. It's like a if a house

447
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: full of mostly white queers moved to a non white,

448
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: gentrifying neighborhood and then the rich ones among them flipped

449
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: the house a couple of years in and fucked over

450
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: everyone else. Yeah, and then the whole neighborhoods full of

451
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: yep yep. So that's what the first non baronary cult

452
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: America did. Yeah, that is, um, not much has changed.

453
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: That seems to be the theme of the theme of

454
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: this episode is that not much of queer culture has changed. Yeah,

455
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: at least white queer culture. Yeah, well why, I don't

456
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: know whether it's changed, whether non white queer culture changed.

457
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's one lesson I've learned while

458
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: researching the show. It's that you've got to rob the

459
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: rich people. They can't just stay rich and be like, oh,

460
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: it's cool, Well, I'll just act like equals. The Paris

461
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: Commune should have robbed the bank, and the Society of

462
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Universal Friends should have said, if you want to be equals,

463
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: then you've gotta be fucking equals and have the land

464
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: held in trust between all of us. You don't got

465
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: to kill the rich, you don't even have to punish them.

466
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: You just have to stop them being richer than other people.

467
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: That's that's the lesson that I've learned so far old researching. Yeah,

468
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: or else, eventually they'll bulldoze all that low income housing

469
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: to put up a fancy coffee shop. Yeah, and a

470
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: four for one of those one of those four story

471
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: apartment buildings. Actually what they built was the first grist

472
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: mill and timber mill. Ah uh. And so the judge,

473
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: guy Potter, he put up most of the money, and

474
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: he was if anyone was grifting this whole time, it

475
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: was probably him. He probably wasn't grifting. He probably was

476
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: like okay, whatever I mean, he was a jug. It's

477
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: it's yeah. Um. So soon him and his son's own

478
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: fifty five acres and seventeen investors get the whole chunk

479
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: of society land. They own all of Friends Settlement and

480
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: everyone else is basically fucked. I feel like that shouldn't

481
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: be allowed. You shouldn't be allowed to own land, especially

482
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: that much. Yeah. Are you saying that people shouldn't be

483
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: allowed to own more than they use of land? Pretty much? Yeah,

484
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't shouldn't own it in the first place. But yeah,

485
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: with a different conception of ownership maybe um yeah yeah yeah.

486
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Also really importantly, Friends Settlement, they could have been Frenton.

487
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: Frenton would have been cool friend and town. Yeah, town

488
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: of friends. Okay. So so Puff and company they move again,

489
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: this time to get away from those greedy assholes, and

490
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: they settle a new place called New Jerusalem or sometimes

491
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: just Jerusalem, Okay, which is deviating a little bit from

492
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: their naming standard. But yeah, not a not a giant

493
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: fan though, No, no, I'm not a big fan. So

494
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: here's another thing that will sound unfamiliar to you. Puff

495
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign their dead names to any of the documents

496
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: based so their life companion, who never gets called that,

497
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: but was clearly that Sarah Richards, signs for the whole thing.

498
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: And then Sarah Richards, the second in charge, she goes

499
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: and dies of being alive in the eighteenth century. I

500
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: guess she's thirty six and she's in ill health. So

501
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: she dies At the new spot. They build Puff a

502
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: house and then all the single celibate women live there together.

503
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And and because Puff was so otherworldly, they didn't eat

504
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: with everyone else. They took their meals privately with another woman,

505
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: their new second in command. Uh huh. So it really

506
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: really sounds like I'm describing a gay eighteenth century cult.

507
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Yes they might have been, but if they were, they

508
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: probably were less the queer orgies type and more the

509
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: secret gay marriages type. Yeah, I mean, with their celibacy stuff,

510
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because who knows if they would have

511
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: considered lesbian sex to actually be sex at all, Like

512
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: it's I I wonder how I'm not I'm not like

513
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: a sex historian, um, but I wonder how that would

514
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: have been framed. Now, I don't know. I think I

515
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: think it would have still been seen bad, but I'm

516
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: not sure, because their problem was less pro creation like

517
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: they are. Actually instead of saying maritle sexes for procreation,

518
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: they were saying maritle sexes a safe container within which

519
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: to hold your horrible, horrible, evil lust carnal desires. Okay, okay,

520
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: so if you're going to fox someone, you should suck

521
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: your spouse or whatever. Right that That's at least what

522
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, puff was very consistent

523
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: about publicly. So they go off and they they have

524
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: um New Jerusalem, and even in the fucking woods, they

525
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: can't get away from judgment. People would come and visit

526
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: the weird quote lady preacher like basically as a tourist

527
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: attraction and write essays about how they don't like puff

528
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Um once again, not for religious doctrine, just for not

529
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: being ladylike, and sometimes for like not eating dinner with them. Yeah,

530
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: it's it's just like queer freak show type stuff. And

531
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: then they would also write complaining about how sometimes husbands

532
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: weren't the head of the households, sometimes the wives didn't

533
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: have children. A lot of places claimed that the whole

534
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: society died out because they didn't have any children at all,

535
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: but that's actually not true. That they did have children.

536
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't a total celibacy thing. They just didn't have

537
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: funk off numbers of children, like they didn't have most

538
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: of them didn't have like thirteen children. So the average

539
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: household in the society had four children, and the average

540
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: household elsewhere in the area had seven. And most most

541
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: parents had their kids before joining. If you joined without

542
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: kids and then had kids in the cult, you would

543
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: end up with two point five of them. Well average

544
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't theoretically end up with a kid, I mean who knows. Yeah,

545
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: and actually there and so there's all these stories also

546
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: about unmarried folks living together, which sort of throws a

547
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: wrench in the whole like how they viewed celibacy thing.

548
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: And there's also story stories about men not giving a

549
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: ship if their wives had kids with other men. And

550
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: it's like these are thrown as like tiny little practically

551
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: footnotes and all these history books. And it's so annoying

552
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you're describing a gay polly cult. Just

553
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: fucking do it. Just tell me, tell me what happened,

554
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: commit to the bit. Yeah, and Puff was a disciplinarian,

555
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: but a goofy. One one guy might have been a

556
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: boy climbed a tree to peek into a women's bedroom

557
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: at the main house where the celibate women all lived.

558
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: And he fell and he broke his shoulder. And when

559
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: he and when he was confronted about how he broke

560
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: his shoulder, he was like, I was peeking into the windows.

561
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: So so Puff made him wear a cowbell around his

562
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: neck for months. That's funny. Um. One woman laughed too much,

563
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: which was in pious of her, and had her mouth

564
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: sealed up with strips of paper temporarily. Oh no. Yeah,

565
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: And one man was forced to wear a woman's cap

566
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: for a while in public to humiliate him. And I

567
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: have no idea what his offense was. Yes, it's yeah, classic,

568
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: but like this feels like the cult leader version of

569
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: those people who take pictures of their Instagram pictures of

570
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: their dogs holding up like shame signs. You know, it's

571
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: it's cringe e. But it's not as bad as a

572
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: lot of other things that are happening in the area.

573
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Like this idiosyncratic discipline probably makes them one of the

574
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: least authoritarian sects in America. Yeah, it's also possible that

575
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: none of the discipliney happened. There's so many people who

576
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: are committed to follow in too, like like people are

577
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: just like committed to proving that Puff is like a monster,

578
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and so there's so much ship written about puffing and

579
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: print and also in these rumors, there's rumors that I

580
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: believe sometimes come from people who later left the group,

581
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: that both men and women were sneaking into Puff's bed

582
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: at night. Once again, tiny throwaway lines. Yeah, the settlement

583
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: lasted for decades but never grew. It just slowly declined.

584
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Um they were too isolated to gain new recruits. Existing

585
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: believers started to drift away, especially the rich men, basically

586
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the people who had a lot to lose. And it

587
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: wasn't even like most of the men left, but almost

588
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: everyone who left were men. One guy, one of the

589
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: real estate prospecting potter boys, managed to get the friend

590
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: arrested because okay, so so Puff gave puff sister a horse,

591
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: but the sister was married to a potter boy. So

592
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: then Puff asked for the horseback and the sister gave

593
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: it back but didn't ask the husband first. So that's

594
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: stealing because the wife's property is the husband was the

595
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: husband's property. Yeah. Yeah, and Puff refused to cooperate with

596
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: the warrants at all at first because it was in

597
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: their dead name. And finally they like went down to

598
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: the court house and posted their own bail under the

599
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: name of ye universal Friend commonly called Jemima Wilkinson, which

600
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: is how they basically handled it every time they were

601
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: like forced to use their dead name. Eventually, in sev

602
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: another warrant went out for the public Universal Friend, this

603
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: time for the charge of blasphemy. Basically, people were like,

604
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Puff is claiming to be Jesus and Puff was probably

605
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: not claiming to be Jesus. Puff was kind of into

606
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: the like sometimes it was sort of neither confirmed nor

607
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: deny being Jesus, but mostly was like, I am Jesus's messenger.

608
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: But people figured if they claimed that Puff claimed to

609
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: be Jesus, they would get more headway. Yeah, and Puff

610
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to court or jail, so Puff

611
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: refused to let them for a while. The first time

612
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: someone came to rest Puff, Puff fucked off at a

613
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: gallop and outran their pursuers. The second time, two men

614
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: showed up at the friend at Friend's house to arrest them,

615
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: and the celibate women who lived there surrounded the men,

616
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: ripped their clothes, and physically threw them out of the house. Cool.

617
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Eventually it took a posse of thirty men to arrest Puff.

618
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Almost all of them were people who had the men

619
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: who had left the society. They broke down the door

620
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: of Puff's house with a fucking axe in the middle

621
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: of the night. They found Puff in too poor health

622
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: to travel, and so Puff was like, all right, fine,

623
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: look y'all fucking win. I'll turn myself in the morning.

624
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, yeah, okay, you can turn

625
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: yourself in the morning. But you know it won't turn

626
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you in unless you know what loone snitch on you

627
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: and get you taken away by a posse. If any

628
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: if any of the ads that follow are likely to

629
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: turn you in, we're sorry, and you can send your

630
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: comploints to at a writing quay. Yeah, it totally will

631
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: get the notification and here's some ads today, and we

632
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: are back and Puff actually does go turn themselves in

633
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: in the morning. I believe, uh the charges blasphemy And

634
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: basically everyone is mostly mad that Puff is upsetting, even

635
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: though like legal court, Stuff is saying that Puff is

636
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: upsetting the proper social order of who's supposed to be

637
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: in charge. But there's only one problem with their case

638
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: against Puff. Blasphemy is not a crime. Even back then

639
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: in New York, blasphemy not a crime. And it took

640
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: a year for the indictment to fall through, dear God,

641
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: even though it's literally not a crime. It's like if

642
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: someone showed up and was like, you, ma'am, have painted

643
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: your bedroom read? And I was like no, And then

644
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: I got charged tragged off the court. Uh so eventually,

645
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: but while they were in court and the judges were like,

646
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: this isn't even a crime more, sorry, do you want

647
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: to give a sermon instead of a defense? And Puff

648
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: was like I do, and stood up and gave a

649
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: sermon and everyone in court agreed. It was a perfectly

650
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: fine sermon because at the end of the taste is

651
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: not theologically radical at all. I mean, it'd be cooler

652
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: if they were, you know. But so then the anti

653
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: puff faction of these rich, politically connected men, they keep

654
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: doing other ship and their quest to destroy the society

655
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: and return the rule of men. And this is like,

656
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: this is about that. It's also a land grab. But

657
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: these are the people who have already grabbed tons of land.

658
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: This is like they're mad that they were emasculated by

659
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: not being in charge for a while. They sue over

660
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: land dispute, some of its petty. Some of it ends

661
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: up evicting and a bunch of society folks from their homes,

662
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: leaves people in debtors prison, and the fate of Jerusalem

663
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: itself was taken at a court thanks to more fuckory

664
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: and patriarchal interpretations of property law because the signer Sarah Richards,

665
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: who is dead now, had been the legal property owner

666
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: and her kid, Eliza's husband Enoch tried to grab all

667
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: the property. And I just want to take a moment

668
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: here to appreciate how cool the name Enoch is. I mean,

669
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Enoch is is the class a classically cool name. Shout

670
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: out to all the Enoch's listening. You've got a cool name.

671
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Book of Enoch, which I totally

672
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: know it is. Is that a Bible thing? Kind of

673
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: it's the Bible but weirder? Huh? Okay, yeah, ever heard

674
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: of like Anochian magic? No, it's the stuff John d practiced.

675
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: It's based on the Book of Enoch. It's like, it's

676
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the weirdest you can go while still

677
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of under Judaism or Christianity. Okay, okay, it sounds

678
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: ali adjacent to me. So this Enoch no good trying

679
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: to funk over everyone and basically steal a bunch of ships.

680
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: And so the society argues that Sarah Richards yes had

681
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: signed a paperwork, but it was just in trust for

682
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the society and for Puff. And it took a fucking

683
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: like decade or maybe I don't know, some longest number

684
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: of years in court, tons of appeals. The society wins

685
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: and they get to keep their town, and it bankrupts

686
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: them and trust is like broken, and tons of people

687
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: have left and everyone's upset. It doesn't destroy the society,

688
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: but it deals at a blow from which it never

689
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: really recovers. And Puff was forty three years old when

690
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: they died in eighteen nineteen from heart disease after years

691
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: of infirmity. The body they were in was older than that,

692
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: like sixty six years old total. And their followers put

693
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Puff's body in a box full of lime in the

694
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: basement just in case, you know, Puff might get resurrected.

695
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: They were like, this is not happening again. Yeah, um.

696
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: And so after a couple of years, when Puff doesn't

697
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: come back from the dead, two men carry the body

698
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: off and buried in an unmarked grave, which is a

699
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: Quaker tradition, and supposedly the two men passed along the

700
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: location through generations, each telling their firstborn where the body

701
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: is buried. The Dowingston Republican, which is a newspaper, so

702
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: the following in their obituary for Puff about how the

703
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: followers had started a commune. On this occasion, much mischief

704
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: was done in the community. Men left their wives, and

705
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: we believe in some instances women their husbands to follow

706
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: her into the wilderness. One of the requisites for initiation

707
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: into her church was fasting for forty days, during which

708
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: time a specific allowance of flower only was allowed to

709
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: each person, barely sufficient to keep a soul and body together,

710
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: which in some cases produced delirium. These particulars are gleaned

711
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: from the wreck of our earliest recollections and may not

712
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: be in every particular strictly correct. The newspapers like, we

713
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: might have this wrong, but we think we think it

714
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: was bad. I mean, I guess that's what I'm doing.

715
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, I don't know if this is right.

716
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: And then that newspaper quotes another newspaper which is unnamed,

717
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: about Puff's death and again continues to miss gender them.

718
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: She a few moments previous to her death, placed herself

719
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: in her chapel and called in her disciples one by

720
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: one and gave each a solemn admiration. Then raised her hands,

721
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: closed her eyes, and gave up the ghost. Thus the

722
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: second Wonder of the Western Country has made her final exit.

723
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Much curiosity has been excited since her departure. The roads

724
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: leading to her mansion were, for a few days after

725
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: her death literally filled with crowds of people who had

726
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: been or We're going to see the friend exclamation mark

727
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: all caps. Her mansion stands on a barren heath, admits

728
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: the solitudes of the wilderness at some distance from this settlement.

729
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: I wonder what the first curiosity of the Western Country was,

730
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, they mentioned that they're the second, so that

731
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: does that does leave one to question. Yeah, if anyone,

732
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: if anyone knows, tell me not that I right, okay,

733
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: just actually at me, just your other at that you

734
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: check more off? Yes, yes, totally and my notifications turned

735
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: off on I right, Okay. This is a funny joke.

736
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: It's always funny. Is the person who I'm talking about

737
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: isn't here, and half the audience might not have any

738
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about. That's what makes it. That's funny.

739
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: That's what jokes are based on. That's what you call

740
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: a L O L. Is that what the us some

741
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: of the kids say, Sophie, you really tapped into that

742
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: gen Z TikTok culture there, Sophie. Thanks care so speaking

743
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: of gen Z in no way at all. The society

744
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: of Universal Friends. They carry on for a couple of

745
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: decades longer and slowly start shrinking, and then they die

746
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: away completely in the middle of the nineteenth century, which

747
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Their beliefs outside gender weren't different from

748
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: anyone else's, and Puff had really been holding it together.

749
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: A couple of dudes showed up afterwards and claimed have

750
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: been told by the spirit of Puff to take control.

751
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, like I'm supposed to be in charge now, right,

752
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: what's up? And sure, sure, buddy, yeah, what have I

753
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: was stuck around for a couple of years before everyone

754
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: was like, you're fucking grifter and kicked him out. Um

755
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: and Puff did right into their will that all the

756
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: poor members be taken care of forever, so like all

757
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: the like basically money of the church was put into

758
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: a trust to take care of the people who couldn't

759
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: take care of themselves. And even in their will, they

760
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: tried their hardest to avoid their dead name. The first

761
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: sentence said that it was the last will and testament

762
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: of the person called the Universal Friend, who in the

763
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: year one thousand, seven hundred and seventy six was called

764
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: Jemima Wilkinson and ever since that time the Universal Friend,

765
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and it signed with an X so that they didn't

766
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: have to write their name out. Wonderful, I know. And

767
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: people talk about the second like it's this failure because

768
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: it died out, But I don't think they gave a

769
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: shit about that. They they recruited enough people for their

770
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: new town, they set up their new town, and then

771
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: they lived their lives and then they died, and they

772
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: succeeded against the world that was like fucking dead set

773
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: on seeing them destroyed. They survived being driven out of

774
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: Philly by an angry mob. They survived decades of attempts

775
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to have their own townships stolen from them by angry dudes.

776
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: People tried to get Puff thrown in prison for charges

777
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: that don't even exist. And whatever life they wanted to lead,

778
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: they let it. Maybe it was gay, maybe it was ace,

779
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: maybe a solivate romantic. Maybe the men and women were

780
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: both just tired of bullshit gender roles have been foisted

781
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: on them and wind up quiet religious lives. They lived

782
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: in relative peace for decades doing whatever the funk their

783
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: thing was. Any verdict Care or Sophie and what their

784
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: thing was, I mean, yeah, I fe feel I feel

785
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: like it could be wrong to come down hard one

786
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: way or another. It's like they were definitely doing their thing.

787
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: Their thing could be a lot of different things, like

788
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: aspects of their I mean, obviously they were queer and

789
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: like the gender sense, but I mean that they definitely

790
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: tried to create their own thing outside the regular confounds

791
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: of society that they found restricting. So they're clear in

792
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: that general sense as well, whether that related to how

793
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: they intersect with like sexuality. It's challenging because so much

794
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: of their stuff is around like celibacy, but just who

795
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: who knows, who knows what that actually means? Yeah, totally,

796
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: like within within their context, totally. It could have been

797
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: like a sexual romantic you know, like yeah, like it

798
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: could be so many things. If I, if I were

799
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: to put my money on a spot, I would claim

800
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: that Puff was probably a sexual and um or celibate,

801
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: whether or not a sexual, but in romantic relationships with

802
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: some of these people, you know. Yeah, but I don't know.

803
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that is what happened. So and they

804
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: managed two different types of escapes from patriarchy, which are

805
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: both really cool. One, Puff escaped from the confine of

806
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: the label of women and took on what in a

807
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: modern context would be considered a trans not binary identity.

808
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: But to they in the Society of Universal Friends also

809
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: dramatically expanded role of women. The women in the group,

810
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: while still staying within the social category of women. They

811
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: dressed like men, some of them took men's names, They

812
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: went unmarried, they preached their own property, all of that,

813
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: And and I bring this up because these are often

814
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: presented as opposite goals. You either escape womanhood or you

815
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: embrace it and expand what's possible within it. But you

816
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: can just fucking do both, and those are not diametrically opposed.

817
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: Now those things can go concurrently. Gender is not that

818
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: it's not a strict set of rules determined by God. Yeah,

819
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: it turns out it's something that we invent because we're

820
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: our own gods and we can create gods at will. Yeah. Yeah.

821
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: One final mystery. A lot of the society's history is

822
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: buried by time, although we have also a lot of

823
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: other we I don't I don't have it. Various historical

824
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: societies have a lot of the history. Um And at

825
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: one point a descendant sued for a trunk full of

826
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: papers and then kept or destroyed some of them before

827
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: returning the rest. And Okay, I like, I like to

828
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: think that these lost documents are proof about the queer sex.

829
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Called it probably worth They're just like burning a whole

830
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: bunch of like erotic poetry. I'm gonna go with you, Magpie.

831
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: I agree of the queer sex is fact. And that's

832
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: the tale of the public universal friend who wound up

833
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: way more interesting, but also less perfect. And I've been

834
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: led to believe when I started this research, and which

835
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I guess is the truth about basically most people that

836
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: people heroize way messier, way less perfect, way more interesting.

837
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: But it's they're always worth considering. I think, no one,

838
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, some people should be wholly discounted. But I

839
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: think the people that we're talking about on this podcast

840
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, you shouldn't. Obviously we're like against the

841
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: idea of a hero. Yeah, but if even if someone

842
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: has some things that you don't like, like all of

843
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: the rules for their church, they're still worth considering within

844
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: the context of what they were actually going against, right,

845
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: like what what systems they were pushing back on, and

846
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: how they were trying to deal with questions around like

847
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: identity and expression and systems of patriarchy. Um, because sometimes

848
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to go from zero to sixty. Yeah, yeah, sorry,

849
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: So you're ready to start a sect garrison, I've considered

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Speaker 1: it for a while, definitely, Um, I mean I've always

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Speaker 1: wanted to start of secret society. Uh, and I may

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Speaker 1: or may not have started multiple secret societies, but no,

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Speaker 1: always it's it's always it's always interested me as as

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00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: an idea. One time, I um, I fictionally like literally

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Speaker 1: created a fiction zine about a secret society and distributed

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Speaker 1: it and there was an address that said, if you

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Speaker 1: want to know more about the secret society, contact of

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Speaker 1: following address. And within a year that house burned down.

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Speaker 1: Oh my good, good for you anyway, So I just

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Speaker 1: gotta start. I'm just gonna start doing that and putting

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Speaker 1: the address of my enemies. Sophie, what about you? You're

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Speaker 1: gonna start a sect? And if so, what would the

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Speaker 1: tenants be? I mean, I if I would, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: tell tell anybody on this podcast. But Garrison, I do

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Speaker 1: have a list of addresses. The earth isn't die, it's

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Speaker 1: being killed. Do the killing of names and addresses? Gay?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any plugables for us? At the end here? Um,

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Speaker 1: let's see. Well, if you want to hear me talk

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Speaker 1: about random parts of queerness and gender on occasion, I

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Speaker 1: will probably do so at certain points on it could

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Speaker 1: happen here at the show that I co write some

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Speaker 1: episodes of, I will be tabling a whole bunch of weird, weird,

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Speaker 1: weird books and and zines at Portland's Red Pride. If

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Speaker 1: you want to learn more about that. You can use

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Speaker 1: the internet, um yeah, and pictures of my new cat

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Speaker 1: on at at Hungry about Tie, Margaret, don't you have

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Speaker 1: a book coming out? Is it available for preorder? Perhaps

878
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Speaker 1: maybe it might be by the time you listen to this.

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Speaker 1: It's called We Won't Be Here Tomorrow when it comes

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Speaker 1: out from a k presl in September twenty and pre

881
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: orders may or may not be up, and preorders matter

882
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: way too much into the weird like algorithmic metric run

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Speaker 1: world that we live in. Just just saying, um yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at Margaret killed Joy.

886
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Speaker 1: And I have another podcast it's called Live Like the

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Speaker 1: World Is Dying and it's about prepper stuff, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not prepper, a community and individual preparedness and these uncertain times.

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00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: That was like a legal disclaimer. Yeah for some for

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Speaker 1: some very obvious reason, a lot of people don't love

891
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: the term prepper. Yeah, prepper has a lot of connotations.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, whatever, Yeah, cool, that is, that is very cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just happy to continue the tradition of

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Speaker 1: it's it's not quite plagiarizing zines. I just they're just

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Speaker 1: written by other people. I'll have I'll have at least

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Speaker 1: one zine that I wrote on my table, all right,

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Speaker 1: but most most of them are from other people because

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Speaker 1: I'm too busy writing podcasts. Yeah, it'd be like that sometimes,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's we can more more, more

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Speaker 1: magic gendersts, I think would be being a good direction. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Garrison should write them, and so should you. Cool People

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Speaker 1: Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 1: but more podcasts and cool Zone Media. Visit our website

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Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on

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