Speaker 1: I Am all in. I guess you.
Speaker 2: I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Abigail Williams. Welcome to the one on one interview. I
Speaker 1: am Scott Patterson. This is the I Am All In
Speaker 1: podcast iHeartRadio one to eleven Productions. Abigail Williams is twenty
Speaker 1: two years old and she just watched Gilmore Girls for
Speaker 1: the first time, and she wrote an article for Vogue
Speaker 1: and tell us a little bit about who you are,
Speaker 1: where you're from. Why you wrote the article. You're experiencing
Speaker 1: seeing Gilmore Girls for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Like you said,
Speaker 2: my name is Abigail Williams. I work for Vogue magazine,
Speaker 2: just fresh off and internship last summer. Employed and I
Speaker 2: just thought what would be a more fun way to
Speaker 2: ring in the new season, especially fall? With watching the
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls for the first time. It was just trending
Speaker 2: on TikTok, and I thought, I've never seen this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to pitch it to an editor and see if
Speaker 2: this is something they'd go for. And it was and
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: How was it? What do you mean? It was trending
Speaker 1: on TikTok Gilmore Girls Fall watching rewatching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's experiencing some sort of gen Z revival,
Speaker 2: just because I don't know if a lot of people
Speaker 2: in my generation have seen it, but it's like the
Speaker 2: quint essentially Fall cozy girl show. Everybody are making edits
Speaker 2: about it. I don't know if you know, Like they'll
Speaker 2: cut audios from the show and then put it against
Speaker 2: these like aesthetic all cuts the videos, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this seems cool. I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of these, and I do conventions and
Speaker 1: people young yea seven year old girls and boys come
Speaker 1: up to me a dressed as a character, you know,
Speaker 1: they want to meet me and they want to talk
Speaker 1: about the show. And the whole thing is so everybody's
Speaker 1: discovering this. Yeah, it's It's amazing. Netflix has made it
Speaker 1: in a continuous, continuous cycle for years now. So what
Speaker 1: had you were you aware the show before you watched it?
Speaker 1: What had you heard about it? So you just simply
Speaker 1: discovered it off of TikTok. Nobody was talking about it, right, No, people.
Speaker 2: Were posting videos about on Instagram and TikTok, And that's
Speaker 2: how I discovered it and I've only seen like the
Speaker 2: famous burken bag scene where Rory doesn't know where a
Speaker 2: Bergen is, But that was all I knew about the show.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, So let me get a feel for who you
Speaker 1: love and who you don't love. And before we start
Speaker 1: getting into your article, who's your favorite character?
Speaker 2: Uh? It's controversial among I feel like my age, but
Speaker 2: I have my favorite Laura. I love her why She's
Speaker 2: just well, I saw the marvelous missus Masel first, and
Speaker 2: so when I first started watching the show, I immediately
Speaker 2: picked up on like Midge's dry, like really quick witted humor,
Speaker 2: and I talked about it in my article, like I
Speaker 2: realized it was the same creator. But Laura, l I
Speaker 2: just gave me that Midge feeling, and she showed headstrong
Speaker 2: the whole like mother Daughar issue and her I mean
Speaker 2: Luke kind of just like stayed with her for eight
Speaker 2: to nine years before they got together, and it was
Speaker 2: just so, I don't know, I like messy characters who
Speaker 2: I can kind of relate to.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: So which character annoyed you the most, annoyed me the most,
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 3: In a good way, or just my least favorite character?
Speaker 1: I would think annoyed qualifies as.
Speaker 3: That, yeah, least favorite character.
Speaker 2: I would have to say, I'm not sure, because Paris
Speaker 2: annoyed me a lot through the series, but then I
Speaker 2: ended up really loving her. But she was annoying for
Speaker 2: like all of children high school, like so annoying.
Speaker 3: I was like Rory just like.
Speaker 2: Move and it just transferred to a different class, like
Speaker 2: she's always hear you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but she she does tend to grow on it,
Speaker 1: doesn't she She does.
Speaker 2: Which is why I'm like she was my least favorite,
Speaker 2: but she might be one of my favorites now.
Speaker 1: So what was your favorite Gilmore Girl's era or season?
Speaker 2: I would say the Jess and Rory era, just when
Speaker 2: even though it's kind of like I was the big
Speaker 2: supporter of Dean and I didn't really like how Rory
Speaker 2: just kind of left Dean to his own devices and
Speaker 2: just was like, oh, bye, I'm going to hang out
Speaker 2: with Jess now. But I will say that I feel
Speaker 2: like Jess really understood her, and I feel like they
Speaker 2: had a lot more in common, and the whole arc
Speaker 2: with like it was like a father son arc with
Speaker 2: Luke and Jess. I just really appreciate it. He was
Speaker 2: just kind of a loner but also misunderstood, and I
Speaker 2: just like the era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of all of them, I think Jess
Speaker 1: definitely really got her and they were very similar in
Speaker 1: a way. They both had a kind of a similar
Speaker 1: darkness and a similar chip kissing. Yeah, but they understood
Speaker 1: each other and they were I think I think he
Speaker 1: was as smart as she was, just completely troubled person. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not that saying she wasn't. I mean, she has her
Speaker 1: own issues, but not like him. So what's your favorite
Speaker 1: thing about the show? What do you like about the
Speaker 1: show so much?
Speaker 2: I just love how, like a lot of people say online,
Speaker 2: it's the quintessential fall show. But I also think it's
Speaker 2: a form of escape escapism in the sense that, like,
Speaker 2: I don't live in a small town, but I really
Speaker 2: love the vibe that Stars Hollow gives. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what makes it relatable for or just interesting for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, is that it's it's cozy. It's
Speaker 2: something that you want to turn on with, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's a cup of hot chocolate, Like you
Speaker 2: just get sucked into this really cute New England town.
Speaker 2: And it's not like other shows where there's a lot
Speaker 2: of drama that's happening, but it's sort of emotional in
Speaker 2: a way that you have to take a break from it.
Speaker 3: It's really uplifting and I feel like, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: having a bad.
Speaker 1: Day, it's like it. And so are you in New
Speaker 1: York or la?
Speaker 3: I'm in New York City?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, and you grew up there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up going to school in New York City.
Speaker 2: But I was born in Jersey.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you from Jersey, I'm from Jersey?
Speaker 3: What part I was born in Jersey City?
Speaker 1: No way?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was born in Philly, raised in Jersey, went to
Speaker 1: rud Curse, you know, Jersey, whole Jersey story. What do
Speaker 1: you dis like about the show anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: One really big thing that I feel like I've heard
Speaker 2: online all over is just Rory dropping out of Yale.
Speaker 2: Maybe absolutely no sense to me until I started reflecting
Speaker 2: on it, but just it was she's even though she's
Speaker 2: so spoken and she's like the angel of the town
Speaker 2: and everybody loves her, I feel like she still has
Speaker 2: grit to her. And you saw that when Harris was
Speaker 2: like beating on her and she kind of gave her
Speaker 2: pushback and just a lot of things up until that moment.
Speaker 2: You saw Rory kind of push back on people who
Speaker 2: didn't believe in her, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Mitcham I think his name is Huntsberger is like, you
Speaker 2: just don't have it, and she just folds, and I was.
Speaker 3: So I was so pissed.
Speaker 2: I was like, Rory, what are you doing? And I
Speaker 2: felt like Laura Lai, I was like, like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? I feel like, you know, she has a
Speaker 2: right to her own autonomy and she can figure out
Speaker 2: what she needs to figure out. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you know you're rooting for this girl and you want
Speaker 2: to see her win. And I was just like, Rory,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like but in a real sense, in real world terms,
Speaker 1: she was overprotected. She was living in this tiny little
Speaker 1: town and this is probably the first time somebody said
Speaker 1: no to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, which is why in my article I
Speaker 2: started reflecting on it after I'd been talked the entire show.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this makes sense because she's had
Speaker 2: this amazing support system and it's not her fault that
Speaker 2: she lives like this is how she grew up, but
Speaker 2: she she didn't have that sort of outside perspective of
Speaker 2: somebody telling her you absolutely can't do this and there's
Speaker 2: no way that you're going to make it. She always
Speaker 2: had a really good support system, so it was kind
Speaker 2: of like she was in this bubble and sort of coddled.
Speaker 2: But also, I mean she had to she had to
Speaker 2: go through it in her own way, which.
Speaker 1: Is I think, what have you know? A more accurate
Speaker 1: statement coming out of Mitcham would have been you, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can handle this environment in my publications.
Speaker 1: But you know, to paint her with such a broad brush,
Speaker 1: I thought was, Yeah, that's a tough hit to take
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's low.
Speaker 2: It's also coming from an adult who's worked in the
Speaker 2: industry for so long, and just to cut this person.
Speaker 1: I mean he's like he's a he's a known fit.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a powerful very you know, he's one
Speaker 1: of the most powerful guys in old media. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: a crushing blow. I always defend her on that, but
Speaker 1: I think it's the first time she's really gotten whacked,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, really.
Speaker 2: I thought there was a deeper subplot where he just
Speaker 2: gave her the internship just to just to like kick
Speaker 2: her down. But that never came up, so I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just maybe that's the twenty ten's drama that
Speaker 2: I'm expecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what I got from was that he
Speaker 1: was just trying to apologize for how she was treated
Speaker 1: at that dinner, Yeah, with his wife and his family,
Speaker 1: and they were so talk to us about Emilie and Lurlai,
Speaker 1: you know, their dynamic, and the articles said you could
Speaker 1: sympathize with both sides. Did did your side change when
Speaker 1: you watch a series?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think watching the series definitely made me
Speaker 2: think about things in my life. I just you know,
Speaker 2: as the daughter in the mother daughter relationship, you're always
Speaker 2: going to automatically have a bias between like not feeling
Speaker 2: like you have enough freedom or wanting to just get
Speaker 2: away from what you've known for so long in order
Speaker 2: to pursue, you know, what makes you happy. And Emily
Speaker 2: and Laura l I had this thing where Lurai felt
Speaker 2: trapped and she felt claustrophobic. But I think what changed
Speaker 2: for me was that flashback scene where they show Emily
Speaker 2: picking up the note from Laura I and seeing that
Speaker 2: her daughter has run away, and so there was there
Speaker 2: was a build up before that it was her daughter
Speaker 2: going to the hospital without calling her, and all of
Speaker 2: these things that happened where Laura I just started drinking
Speaker 2: the amount of communication that they had and then totally
Speaker 2: cut her off out of her life. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's when it hit me, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I can see how this feels on Emily's side, where
Speaker 2: you all, you have your daughter under your roof and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden she's gone and she doesn't talk
Speaker 2: to you, And so I I sympathize with her because
Speaker 2: you know, you never want that to happen with any
Speaker 2: relationship in your life where somebody just like completely cuts
Speaker 2: you off, especially if you love them so much. And
Speaker 2: even though they had a really turbulent relationship, you can
Speaker 2: see that Emily really loves her at the end of
Speaker 2: the day throughout the entire series, that even though she does, like,
Speaker 2: you know, bribe her to get her to come to
Speaker 2: family dinners. And is that the most healthy way to
Speaker 2: talk to your daughter. Probably not, but in her own
Speaker 2: weird ways, she was just trying to get closer to her.
Speaker 2: So I sympathized.
Speaker 1: And you know, Laurela was a tough customer at those dinners.
Speaker 1: I mean, she said, I mean, it was just insult
Speaker 1: after insult after veiled insult and insults in your face,
Speaker 1: and Emily just sort of, you know, took the shot.
Speaker 2: Just took it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Laurela has her flaws, and you have to acknowledge that
Speaker 2: sometimes she was like out of like out of pocket,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I think especially when Rory said that
Speaker 2: she had applied to Yale, and Laurel I just you know,
Speaker 2: just lost it at dinner. It's like, well, that was
Speaker 2: her choice for all, So you can't blame your parents
Speaker 2: for everything, you know, and she just kind of took
Speaker 2: it out on them, and it was one of those
Speaker 2: those scenes where you're just like, Laura I is just
Speaker 2: acting out and she has a lot of baggage that
Speaker 2: she needs to get through.
Speaker 1: So what are your overall thoughts on Emily's mother.
Speaker 2: I think that in her own way, she thought that
Speaker 2: she was doing the best she could, but sometimes she
Speaker 2: didn't respect her her daughter's autonomy, and she was trying
Speaker 2: to project all of these these expectations on her when
Speaker 2: she was little and try to like prep her for
Speaker 2: the primp society that they lived in Connecticut, but didn't
Speaker 2: really I don't know it doesn't seem like they ever
Speaker 2: had a conversation that was helpful between the two of
Speaker 2: them where she was like, Laura, I do you actually
Speaker 2: want this? I mean, Laura Lei's whole I think character
Speaker 2: arc was just her trying to express that she never
Speaker 2: felt her to her mother. So I feel like there
Speaker 2: was just lack of communication, but also lack of listening
Speaker 2: on both sides, and that's that's what's relatable to their
Speaker 2: relationship that I was like.
Speaker 1: M M, so, so you think Rory dropping out of
Speaker 1: Yale is out of character for her? That is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what you said in your article.
Speaker 2: I thought it was until I realized that she had
Speaker 2: a more sheltered childhood that I wasn't acknowledging. But when
Speaker 2: I went through that, when I when I first saw
Speaker 2: those few episodes, and people online kind of like they
Speaker 2: skipped those intentionally. I saw a video where somebody called
Speaker 2: it like her dark Days, where they just like don't
Speaker 2: want to they don't want to hear it, they don't
Speaker 2: want to go through it.
Speaker 3: But I felt like it was out.
Speaker 2: Of character because she was she was always trying to
Speaker 2: just climb the ladder in order to you know, she
Speaker 2: had been dreaming about Harvard her entire life, and even
Speaker 2: though she always had a plan and it didn't see it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't under the impression that anyone was going to
Speaker 2: get in the way of that. But then you look
Speaker 2: at stuff like her moving from from Harvard to Yale
Speaker 2: in like a very very short amount of time. I
Speaker 2: just think that there are points in her life where
Speaker 2: you can you can pinpoint where she kind of just
Speaker 2: like rolls over, and I wasn't acknowledging that until, you know,
Speaker 2: until it happened.
Speaker 1: You think Richard and Lemonley did her a disservice by
Speaker 1: allowing her to drop out and move in with him.
Speaker 2: I think in some way they were treating Rory the
Speaker 2: way that they wish they treated Laura Lili and I
Speaker 2: feel like, to me, that's part of the reason why
Speaker 2: Laura I took it so hard, because not only did
Speaker 2: they go against her and go behind her back and
Speaker 2: you know, let her drop out and not be on
Speaker 2: her side because they were gonna they were gonna like
Speaker 2: they were going to team up against her and get
Speaker 2: her to you know, enroll. But I just think that
Speaker 2: they had made a lot of mistakes with Laura Laive
Speaker 2: that they wish that they could counteract, and Rory was
Speaker 2: their second chance. I think, like Richard says, after maybe
Speaker 2: like a few months, that he wished he would have
Speaker 2: pushed her to enroll, But then again, there's just so
Speaker 2: many deeper family dynamics that just come to play with Rory.
Speaker 1: Do you think the fans deserved the Luke and Laura
Speaker 1: l wedding?
Speaker 3: I do, even I did.
Speaker 2: I did watch the revival too, because I got a
Speaker 2: lot of feedback on the story because I watched the
Speaker 2: series and I was like, do I watch the Revival,
Speaker 2: like is it worth it?
Speaker 3: And people were like, yeah, watch it.
Speaker 2: And I know that we did, like get a wedding,
Speaker 2: but it was like e lopement. I wanted the big
Speaker 2: I want to see her in the perfect dress, in
Speaker 2: the perfect in the perfect church, in the perfect like
Speaker 2: you know, June Day. And I felt cheated. That's I
Speaker 2: don't know how you felt about that.
Speaker 1: I felt I felt really cheated. I really did. I
Speaker 1: was shocked when I read the scripts for the yeah,
Speaker 1: the Netflix episodes, I was I.
Speaker 2: Just I just felt like they were prolonging the inevitable
Speaker 2: and they were so like I said, even though we
Speaker 2: weren't there for the eight or nine years of build up,
Speaker 2: like Luke was there for the eight and nine years
Speaker 2: of build up, like we were in like six seasons
Speaker 2: of build up like this long, like slow Burn, and
Speaker 2: you just want to see it come all the way together.
Speaker 2: And then you had build up between like Luke and
Speaker 2: Rory's like father daughter relationship, and you wanted to see
Speaker 2: like you know, that wrapped up with a nice little
Speaker 2: bow and see you know, he was there for all
Speaker 2: of her her big moments and milestones, like I want,
Speaker 2: I want to see it all come together, like that's
Speaker 2: what they deserved.
Speaker 1: And right, where's the payoff for the character and where's
Speaker 1: the payoff for the relationship, and where's the payoff for
Speaker 1: the fans? Yeah, it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know, I know there wasn't, Like I
Speaker 2: know it kind of happened in the revival, But I
Speaker 2: still I wanted I wanted that wedding, you know, right that.
Speaker 1: Was really all about her moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean Luke wasn't involved in her moment, right, And
Speaker 1: arguably that's the direction it had to go in, or
Speaker 1: should have gone in. But still it was odd. It
Speaker 1: felt a little lot. Do you feel like Luke was
Speaker 1: the one for Laura?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm one hundred percent he Luke, I do. I
Speaker 2: you know, he was all like I said, he was
Speaker 2: always there for her during all of her like quote
Speaker 2: unquote eras like when she was with Maxi Medina.
Speaker 3: He was always like we're in the background.
Speaker 2: And I wish that Like earlier in the early seasons,
Speaker 2: when I didn't know what was going to happen, I
Speaker 2: was like, Luke, like stand up for yourself. Like I
Speaker 2: was like, after out, you know, do something, And I
Speaker 2: was just like, Okay, I understand, like we need to
Speaker 2: be like they need to give the audience like something
Speaker 2: on the back burner, like to root for. But I
Speaker 2: was like he's and he wasn't exactly. I don't think
Speaker 2: your character was one like pining for her. Like he
Speaker 2: wasn't in her face.
Speaker 1: Oh he was. He just he just was playing it cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was playing it cool.
Speaker 1: But he's that guy. He's not gonna allow himself to
Speaker 1: get humiliated.
Speaker 2: Or hurt, right, which is why I was like Laura Lai,
Speaker 2: like are like like look in front of you.
Speaker 3: Like every single morning, I just didn't. I was.
Speaker 1: Do something any think they could you think they could
Speaker 1: have milked that for another couple of seasons or was
Speaker 1: that season four the right time for the first.
Speaker 3: Kiss Season four, I was getting answered.
Speaker 2: I was like, it needs to happen, and I think
Speaker 2: it happened in the right time. But yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I always I like never bought the Max Medina her
Speaker 2: getting married to MAXI media like well, like I got knew,
Speaker 2: like Okay, he's gonna leave, Like you can't have Luke
Speaker 2: here and like not realize and you know, all her
Speaker 2: like suky and out like all of her for like
Speaker 2: the entire town, which is like when you have the
Speaker 2: entire like small town backing this, you know, this entire
Speaker 2: this couple that they think is you know, a match
Speaker 2: made in heaven together, you know, the audience is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like when is it going to happen?
Speaker 1: So talk to me about larelized style. What do you
Speaker 1: love about it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I just think it's the two thousand, like early two
Speaker 2: thousands of revival, Like I don't know, in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: it was the eighties, and then earlier like later it
Speaker 2: was the nineties, and now we're kind of in the
Speaker 2: like early ots period and it's just I mean, I
Speaker 2: say my article like I want her entire closet, like
Speaker 2: everything that's cute now is what was what she was
Speaker 2: wearing in the series, which is maybe why a lot
Speaker 2: of people want to watch it as well.
Speaker 1: That is interesting her.
Speaker 2: Her baby teased her like low waisted flareer jeans, and
Speaker 2: you know she's she's young for who people consider are
Speaker 2: a mom, So you can kind of see yourself in
Speaker 2: in what in her closet right now, and also kind
Speaker 2: of Rory's I did not mention though that Rory's like
Speaker 2: opening scene where she has that cablenit sweater is something
Speaker 2: that people are like coveting right now. So it's just
Speaker 2: a lot of Gilmore's closet content. That's just I mean,
Speaker 2: Luke had the flannel and that was pretty big in
Speaker 2: like twenty fifteen, So I will give you that you
Speaker 2: were your closet was the first thing that was like trending.
Speaker 1: So so Laurla Gilmore fashion icon. Yeah, one hundred interesting,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Well, it has been a pleasure talking to you, Abigail.
Speaker 1: I would recommend everybody going to Vogue dot com and
Speaker 1: reading this article. It's entitled I'm twenty two and I
Speaker 1: just watched Gilmour Girls for the first time. Here were
Speaker 1: my thoughts Vogue dot com, Abigail Williams, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: good luck on an ever successful career, building your career,
Speaker 1: and we're looking forward to more content from you. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
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