WEBVTT - You’ve Been Gilmored: Abrigail Williams

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<v Speaker 1>I Am all in. I guess you.

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<v Speaker 2>I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail Williams. Welcome to the one on one interview. I

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<v Speaker 1>am Scott Patterson. This is the I Am All In

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<v Speaker 1>podcast iHeartRadio one to eleven Productions. Abigail Williams is twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two years old and she just watched Gilmore Girls for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, and she wrote an article for Vogue

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<v Speaker 1>and tell us a little bit about who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're from. Why you wrote the article. You're experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>seeing Gilmore Girls for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Abigail Williams. I work for Vogue magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>just fresh off and internship last summer. Employed and I

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<v Speaker 2>just thought what would be a more fun way to

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<v Speaker 2>ring in the new season, especially fall? With watching the

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<v Speaker 2>Gilmore Girls for the first time. It was just trending

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok, and I thought, I've never seen this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to pitch it to an editor and see if

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<v Speaker 2>this is something they'd go for. And it was and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>How was it? What do you mean? It was trending

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok Gilmore Girls Fall watching rewatching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's experiencing some sort of gen Z revival,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I don't know if a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>in my generation have seen it, but it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>quint essentially Fall cozy girl show. Everybody are making edits

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I don't know if you know, Like they'll

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<v Speaker 2>cut audios from the show and then put it against

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<v Speaker 2>these like aesthetic all cuts the videos, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this seems cool. I don't know what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen plenty of these, and I do conventions and

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<v Speaker 1>people young yea seven year old girls and boys come

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<v Speaker 1>up to me a dressed as a character, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to meet me and they want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the show. And the whole thing is so everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>discovering this. Yeah, it's It's amazing. Netflix has made it

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<v Speaker 1>in a continuous, continuous cycle for years now. So what

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<v Speaker 1>had you were you aware the show before you watched it?

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<v Speaker 1>What had you heard about it? So you just simply

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<v Speaker 1>discovered it off of TikTok. Nobody was talking about it, right, No, people.

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<v Speaker 2>Were posting videos about on Instagram and TikTok, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I discovered it and I've only seen like the

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<v Speaker 2>famous burken bag scene where Rory doesn't know where a

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<v Speaker 2>Bergen is, But that was all I knew about the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, So let me get a feel for who you

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<v Speaker 1>love and who you don't love. And before we start

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<v Speaker 1>getting into your article, who's your favorite character?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? It's controversial among I feel like my age, but

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<v Speaker 2>I have my favorite Laura. I love her why She's

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<v Speaker 2>just well, I saw the marvelous missus Masel first, and

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<v Speaker 2>so when I first started watching the show, I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>picked up on like Midge's dry, like really quick witted humor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I talked about it in my article, like I

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<v Speaker 2>realized it was the same creator. But Laura, l I

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<v Speaker 2>just gave me that Midge feeling, and she showed headstrong

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<v Speaker 2>the whole like mother Daughar issue and her I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Luke kind of just like stayed with her for eight

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<v Speaker 2>to nine years before they got together, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just so, I don't know, I like messy characters who

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<v Speaker 2>I can kind of relate to.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So which character annoyed you the most, annoyed me the most,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>In a good way, or just my least favorite character?

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<v Speaker 1>I would think annoyed qualifies as.

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<v Speaker 3>That, yeah, least favorite character.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to say, I'm not sure, because Paris

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed me a lot through the series, but then I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up really loving her. But she was annoying for

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<v Speaker 2>like all of children high school, like so annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like Rory just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Move and it just transferred to a different class, like

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<v Speaker 2>she's always hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but she she does tend to grow on it,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't she She does.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why I'm like she was my least favorite,

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<v Speaker 2>but she might be one of my favorites now.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your favorite Gilmore Girl's era or season?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say the Jess and Rory era, just when

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's kind of like I was the big

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<v Speaker 2>supporter of Dean and I didn't really like how Rory

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of left Dean to his own devices and

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<v Speaker 2>just was like, oh, bye, I'm going to hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with Jess now. But I will say that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like Jess really understood her, and I feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot more in common, and the whole arc

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<v Speaker 2>with like it was like a father son arc with

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<v Speaker 2>Luke and Jess. I just really appreciate it. He was

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a loner but also misunderstood, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just like the era.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think of all of them, I think Jess

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<v Speaker 1>definitely really got her and they were very similar in

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<v Speaker 1>a way. They both had a kind of a similar

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<v Speaker 1>darkness and a similar chip kissing. Yeah, but they understood

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<v Speaker 1>each other and they were I think I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was as smart as she was, just completely troubled person. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not that saying she wasn't. I mean, she has her

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<v Speaker 1>own issues, but not like him. So what's your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>thing about the show? What do you like about the

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<v Speaker 1>show so much?

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<v Speaker 2>I just love how, like a lot of people say online,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the quintessential fall show. But I also think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a form of escape escapism in the sense that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't live in a small town, but I really

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<v Speaker 2>love the vibe that Stars Hollow gives. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what makes it relatable for or just interesting for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, is that it's it's cozy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something that you want to turn on with, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's a cup of hot chocolate, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>just get sucked into this really cute New England town.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not like other shows where there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of drama that's happening, but it's sort of emotional in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that you have to take a break from it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really uplifting and I feel like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>having a bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, it's like it. And so are you in New

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<v Speaker 1>York or la?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in New York City?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and you grew up there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I grew up going to school in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was born in Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, you from Jersey, I'm from Jersey?

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<v Speaker 3>What part I was born in Jersey City?

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<v Speaker 1>No way?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in Philly, raised in Jersey, went to

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<v Speaker 1>rud Curse, you know, Jersey, whole Jersey story. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you dis like about the show anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>One really big thing that I feel like I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>online all over is just Rory dropping out of Yale.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe absolutely no sense to me until I started reflecting

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<v Speaker 2>on it, but just it was she's even though she's

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<v Speaker 2>so spoken and she's like the angel of the town

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody loves her, I feel like she still has

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<v Speaker 2>grit to her. And you saw that when Harris was

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<v Speaker 2>like beating on her and she kind of gave her

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<v Speaker 2>pushback and just a lot of things up until that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw Rory kind of push back on people who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't believe in her, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>Mitcham I think his name is Huntsberger is like, you

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have it, and she just folds, and I was.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was so pissed.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Rory, what are you doing? And I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like Laura Lai, I was like, like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I feel like, you know, she has a

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<v Speaker 2>right to her own autonomy and she can figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what she needs to figure out. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're rooting for this girl and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to see her win. And I was just like, Rory,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like but in a real sense, in real world terms,

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<v Speaker 1>she was overprotected. She was living in this tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>town and this is probably the first time somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>no to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, which is why in my article I

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<v Speaker 2>started reflecting on it after I'd been talked the entire show.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, this makes sense because she's had

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing support system and it's not her fault that

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<v Speaker 2>she lives like this is how she grew up, but

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<v Speaker 2>she she didn't have that sort of outside perspective of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody telling her you absolutely can't do this and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that you're going to make it. She always

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good support system, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like she was in this bubble and sort of coddled.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, I mean she had to she had to

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<v Speaker 2>go through it in her own way, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I think, what have you know? A more accurate

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<v Speaker 1>statement coming out of Mitcham would have been you, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you can handle this environment in my publications.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, to paint her with such a broad brush,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was, Yeah, that's a tough hit to take

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's low.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also coming from an adult who's worked in the

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<v Speaker 2>industry for so long, and just to cut this person.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's like he's a he's a known fit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a powerful very you know, he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most powerful guys in old media. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>a crushing blow. I always defend her on that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the first time she's really gotten whacked,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And yeah, really.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there was a deeper subplot where he just

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<v Speaker 2>gave her the internship just to just to like kick

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<v Speaker 2>her down. But that never came up, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm just maybe that's the twenty ten's drama that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what I got from was that he

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<v Speaker 1>was just trying to apologize for how she was treated

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<v Speaker 1>at that dinner, Yeah, with his wife and his family,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were so talk to us about Emilie and Lurlai,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their dynamic, and the articles said you could

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<v Speaker 1>sympathize with both sides. Did did your side change when

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<v Speaker 1>you watch a series?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think watching the series definitely made me

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<v Speaker 2>think about things in my life. I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as the daughter in the mother daughter relationship, you're always

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<v Speaker 2>going to automatically have a bias between like not feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like you have enough freedom or wanting to just get

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<v Speaker 2>away from what you've known for so long in order

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<v Speaker 2>to pursue, you know, what makes you happy. And Emily

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<v Speaker 2>and Laura l I had this thing where Lurai felt

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<v Speaker 2>trapped and she felt claustrophobic. But I think what changed

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<v Speaker 2>for me was that flashback scene where they show Emily

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<v Speaker 2>picking up the note from Laura I and seeing that

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter has run away, and so there was there

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<v Speaker 2>was a build up before that it was her daughter

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<v Speaker 2>going to the hospital without calling her, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things that happened where Laura I just started drinking

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of communication that they had and then totally

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<v Speaker 2>cut her off out of her life. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's when it hit me, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can see how this feels on Emily's side, where

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<v Speaker 2>you all, you have your daughter under your roof and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden she's gone and she doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you, And so I I sympathize with her because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you never want that to happen with any

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<v Speaker 2>relationship in your life where somebody just like completely cuts

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<v Speaker 2>you off, especially if you love them so much. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though they had a really turbulent relationship, you can

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<v Speaker 2>see that Emily really loves her at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day throughout the entire series, that even though she does, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bribe her to get her to come to

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<v Speaker 2>family dinners. And is that the most healthy way to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to your daughter. Probably not, but in her own

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<v Speaker 2>weird ways, she was just trying to get closer to her.

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<v Speaker 2>So I sympathized.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Laurela was a tough customer at those dinners.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she said, I mean, it was just insult

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<v Speaker 1>after insult after veiled insult and insults in your face,

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily just sort of, you know, took the shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Just took it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Laurela has her flaws, and you have to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she was like out of like out of pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Like I think especially when Rory said that

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<v Speaker 2>she had applied to Yale, and Laurel I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just lost it at dinner. It's like, well, that was

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<v Speaker 2>her choice for all, So you can't blame your parents

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<v Speaker 2>for everything, you know, and she just kind of took

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<v Speaker 2>it out on them, and it was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>those scenes where you're just like, Laura I is just

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<v Speaker 2>acting out and she has a lot of baggage that

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<v Speaker 2>she needs to get through.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are your overall thoughts on Emily's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that in her own way, she thought that

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<v Speaker 2>she was doing the best she could, but sometimes she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't respect her her daughter's autonomy, and she was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to project all of these these expectations on her when

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<v Speaker 2>she was little and try to like prep her for

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<v Speaker 2>the primp society that they lived in Connecticut, but didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really I don't know it doesn't seem like they ever

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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation that was helpful between the two of

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<v Speaker 2>them where she was like, Laura, I do you actually

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<v Speaker 2>want this? I mean, Laura Lei's whole I think character

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<v Speaker 2>arc was just her trying to express that she never

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<v Speaker 2>felt her to her mother. So I feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>was just lack of communication, but also lack of listening

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides, and that's that's what's relatable to their

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<v Speaker 2>relationship that I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>M M, so, so you think Rory dropping out of

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<v Speaker 1>Yale is out of character for her? That is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you said in your article.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was until I realized that she had

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<v Speaker 2>a more sheltered childhood that I wasn't acknowledging. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I went through that, when I when I first saw

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<v Speaker 2>those few episodes, and people online kind of like they

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<v Speaker 2>skipped those intentionally. I saw a video where somebody called

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<v Speaker 2>it like her dark Days, where they just like don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to they don't want to hear it, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to go through it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I felt like it was out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of character because she was she was always trying to

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<v Speaker 2>just climb the ladder in order to you know, she

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<v Speaker 2>had been dreaming about Harvard her entire life, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though she always had a plan and it didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't under the impression that anyone was going to

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<v Speaker 2>get in the way of that. But then you look

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<v Speaker 2>at stuff like her moving from from Harvard to Yale

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<v Speaker 2>in like a very very short amount of time. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that there are points in her life where

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<v Speaker 2>you can you can pinpoint where she kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>like rolls over, and I wasn't acknowledging that until, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>until it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You think Richard and Lemonley did her a disservice by

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<v Speaker 1>allowing her to drop out and move in with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in some way they were treating Rory the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they wish they treated Laura Lili and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, to me, that's part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>Laura I took it so hard, because not only did

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<v Speaker 2>they go against her and go behind her back and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let her drop out and not be on

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<v Speaker 2>her side because they were gonna they were gonna like

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to team up against her and get

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<v Speaker 2>her to you know, enroll. But I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>they had made a lot of mistakes with Laura Laive

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<v Speaker 2>that they wish that they could counteract, and Rory was

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<v Speaker 2>their second chance. I think, like Richard says, after maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like a few months, that he wished he would have

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<v Speaker 2>pushed her to enroll, But then again, there's just so

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<v Speaker 2>many deeper family dynamics that just come to play with Rory.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the fans deserved the Luke and Laura

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<v Speaker 1>l wedding?

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<v Speaker 3>I do, even I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did watch the revival too, because I got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of feedback on the story because I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>series and I was like, do I watch the Revival,

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<v Speaker 2>like is it worth it?

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<v Speaker 3>And people were like, yeah, watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that we did, like get a wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like e lopement. I wanted the big

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see her in the perfect dress, in

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect in the perfect church, in the perfect like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, June Day. And I felt cheated. That's I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you felt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt I felt really cheated. I really did. I

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<v Speaker 1>was shocked when I read the scripts for the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Netflix episodes, I was I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I just felt like they were prolonging the inevitable

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<v Speaker 2>and they were so like I said, even though we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't there for the eight or nine years of build up,

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<v Speaker 2>like Luke was there for the eight and nine years

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<v Speaker 2>of build up, like we were in like six seasons

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<v Speaker 2>of build up like this long, like slow Burn, and

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<v Speaker 2>you just want to see it come all the way together.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you had build up between like Luke and

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<v Speaker 2>Rory's like father daughter relationship, and you wanted to see

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, that wrapped up with a nice little

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<v Speaker 2>bow and see you know, he was there for all

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<v Speaker 2>of her her big moments and milestones, like I want,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see it all come together, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>And right, where's the payoff for the character and where's

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<v Speaker 1>the payoff for the relationship, and where's the payoff for

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<v Speaker 1>the fans? Yeah, it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I know, I know there wasn't, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>know it kind of happened in the revival, But I

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<v Speaker 2>still I wanted I wanted that wedding, you know, right that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was really all about her moment, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Luke wasn't involved in her moment, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>arguably that's the direction it had to go in, or

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<v Speaker 1>should have gone in. But still it was odd. It

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<v Speaker 1>felt a little lot. Do you feel like Luke was

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<v Speaker 1>the one for Laura?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm one hundred percent he Luke, I do. I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was all like I said, he was

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<v Speaker 2>always there for her during all of her like quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote eras like when she was with Maxi Medina.

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<v Speaker 3>He was always like we're in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wish that Like earlier in the early seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>when I didn't know what was going to happen, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Luke, like stand up for yourself. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, after out, you know, do something, And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, Okay, I understand, like we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be like they need to give the audience like something

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<v Speaker 2>on the back burner, like to root for. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was like he's and he wasn't exactly. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>your character was one like pining for her. Like he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he was. He just he just was playing it cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was playing it cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's that guy. He's not gonna allow himself to

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<v Speaker 1>get humiliated.

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<v Speaker 2>Or hurt, right, which is why I was like Laura Lai,

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<v Speaker 2>like are like like look in front of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like every single morning, I just didn't. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Do something any think they could you think they could

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<v Speaker 1>have milked that for another couple of seasons or was

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<v Speaker 1>that season four the right time for the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Kiss Season four, I was getting answered.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, it needs to happen, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it happened in the right time. But yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I always I like never bought the Max Medina her

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<v Speaker 2>getting married to MAXI media like well, like I got knew,

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<v Speaker 2>like Okay, he's gonna leave, Like you can't have Luke

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<v Speaker 2>here and like not realize and you know, all her

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<v Speaker 2>like suky and out like all of her for like

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<v Speaker 2>the entire town, which is like when you have the

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<v Speaker 2>entire like small town backing this, you know, this entire

0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.240
<v Speaker 2>this couple that they think is you know, a match

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<v Speaker 2>made in heaven together, you know, the audience is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like when is it going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>So talk to me about larelized style. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>love about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's the two thousand, like early two

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of revival, Like I don't know, in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the eighties, and then earlier like later it

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<v Speaker 2>was the nineties, and now we're kind of in the

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<v Speaker 2>like early ots period and it's just I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>say my article like I want her entire closet, like

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's cute now is what was what she was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing in the series, which is maybe why a lot

0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of people want to watch it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That is interesting her.

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<v Speaker 2>Her baby teased her like low waisted flareer jeans, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know she's she's young for who people consider are

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<v Speaker 2>a mom, So you can kind of see yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>in what in her closet right now, and also kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Rory's I did not mention though that Rory's like

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<v Speaker 2>opening scene where she has that cablenit sweater is something

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that people are like coveting right now. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Gilmore's closet content. That's just I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke had the flannel and that was pretty big in

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty fifteen, So I will give you that you

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<v Speaker 2>were your closet was the first thing that was like trending.

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<v Speaker 1>So so Laurla Gilmore fashion icon. Yeah, one hundred interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. Well, it has been a pleasure talking to you, Abigail.

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend everybody going to Vogue dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>reading this article. It's entitled I'm twenty two and I

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<v Speaker 1>just watched Gilmour Girls for the first time. Here were

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<v Speaker 1>my thoughts Vogue dot com, Abigail Williams, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck on an ever successful career, building your career,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking forward to more content from you. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me.

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