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Speaker 1: Yeah, that Uh, Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went

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Speaker 3: He caught them the game last night.

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Speaker 4: Although they won the.

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Speaker 3: Game you're listening to to Godson Company.

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Speaker 1: NFL players are falling like flies if we ever get

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Speaker 3: Quarterback is the most important position in sports.

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Speaker 4: I hate Monday night double headers.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had Baker Mayfields. He's the epitome of

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Speaker 4: He's my favorite player in there.

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Speaker 3: He'd be he he would be able to break the

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of craziness that you guys wake

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Steve Goats and Company. Amazing, Guccierra's two guts.

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Speaker 6: I think you should do that, and then we play

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Speaker 6: it like way stop, Like you just keep saying things

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's one way to handle these things. And

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Speaker 3: To no Jets, no Jets, no Jets, no Jets, no Jets,

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize there was this much to talk about

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch much Monday Night football. Last night. It

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Speaker 5: The Kansas City Chiefs and saying they're done, and saying

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Speaker 5: We've got people worried about all the quarterbacks because they're

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Speaker 5: as he is when he laughs at his own jokes, right,

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Speaker 5: to explain to me, Taylor, what it is exactly that

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Speaker 5: then let me know why what he's doing is so unfair.

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Speaker 7: So in the Raiders Chargers game, the broadcast cuts to

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Speaker 3: It was like, I don't know what I can say

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Speaker 3: A couple of things. Hey, we really like the way

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Speaker 5: Really keep an eye on those that's about it, Like,

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Speaker 5: I just don't see it, which is why they probably

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Speaker 6: A couple of things Taylor said. First off, the overdressed

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Speaker 4: He's an owner. He can dress however the hell he wants.

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Speaker 4: Dress for the job you want, not for the job.

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Speaker 3: He's Tom Brady. You could just walk in with Super

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Speaker 1: I love that idea, Like the idea of coaches throwing

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Speaker 3: Has he called the Dolphins game yet? Probably not. The

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Speaker 5: For that matter, if they were the child fan and

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna overthink it.

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Speaker 5: But if you happen to be not an insult a

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Speaker 5: olsin's the guy that you're just like, this is really cool.

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Speaker 3: They want to pay him three hundred million dollars. I

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Speaker 3: He doesn't care if he's good. He doesn't care if

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's getting paid thirty seven and a half million

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Speaker 3: But you're worried that the Raiders are getting.

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Speaker 1: Some sort of competitive advantage because Brady gets to go

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Speaker 7: I want him to choose a lane, be an owner,

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Speaker 7: be a broadcaster, and that's a and speaking of money

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Speaker 7: He's joining a flag football team with Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 7: Ceedee Lamb Gronk and more for a flag football classic

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Speaker 3: There's the kicker, they find out, there's the money.

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Speaker 6: The rules are whatever Tom Brady says, the rules are.

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Speaker 1: Brady, listen, you got Brady is not a good flag

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Speaker 3: Put it on a pole.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, you don't have to use it. Brady

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Speaker 5: And there's some statues back there in our league but

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody can deny this. Tony Romos lost

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Speaker 3: Right, Mikey?

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Speaker 5: Because like, I think people that hate on him online

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Speaker 7: I like him.

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Speaker 6: Save space, Yeah, save space, Like, guys, this is a

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Speaker 4: I could bear my soul a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Share it with me, you could share it with us.

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Speaker 6: I love when Tony Romo calls a game. I love

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Speaker 4: I love to Tony.

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Speaker 6: Romo has, like Tom Tomoye has the giddiness that I

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Speaker 1: That's all I have enjoy that. Yes, that's all I

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Speaker 3: Romo kind of takes you through it. And I love now.

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Speaker 1: That he's just taking shots at Nance, like it's so great.

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Speaker 3: It's like, listen, their chemistry is that they hate each other.

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Speaker 1: Taylor put it on the poll. Romo and Nance love

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Speaker 1: And Mikey is so right. It's why I like Mike

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Speaker 1: I love about Romo. Romo absorbs a Sunday afternoon and

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Speaker 3: As I'm sitting there on my couch watching it.

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Speaker 5: I would go a step further, given that we all

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Speaker 3: It's too late.

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Speaker 5: He reminds you, like if you ever decide to like

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Speaker 3: Like it won't be an act.

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Speaker 5: He won't hear it afterward and be like that was

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone says, oh, I want the guy who's

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Speaker 3: Here's what I know.

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Speaker 1: Four downs, you don't get ten yards you gotta get

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Speaker 1: All right, I don't need I don't need someone to

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Speaker 3: I don't need. I'm not even listening. He's pulling tackle though.

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Speaker 7: So, I don't mind Tony Romo as a broadcaster, but

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Speaker 3: You're gonna crush Romo now. After crushing Brady.

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Speaker 7: In Tahoe at the American Century Championship, I root against

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Speaker 3: Take it too seriously, Oh too seriously.

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Speaker 1: Listen, everyone's out there, they're hanging around, they're on the

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Speaker 3: You know, they tell Taylor they'll be on with us

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Speaker 1: That never show up again. You got Jose did. Tony

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Speaker 1: Romo doesn't even come around. You don't even see him

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Speaker 3: You know what, I gained so much respect for Tony Romo.

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Speaker 5: He was able to go on national TV with a

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Speaker 5: he never even had to bring it up. It's like

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Speaker 1: I think Tony just kind of says to himself, how

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Speaker 3: I think he was undrafted.

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Speaker 5: I was wondering if they ever get to him in

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Speaker 5: That's all we need to know about Tony Romo. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had.

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Speaker 7: A nice career. But Tony Romo is not Tony Romo

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Speaker 1: Well, no, he doesn't get this job without He's Cowboys

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Speaker 1: of course, right, Although Kurt Warner did wait put it

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Speaker 5: I mean, how much better was Boomer Siason's career?

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Speaker 1: Boomer had a great Yeah, Booms, I believe it was

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Speaker 3: No that I'd say.

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Speaker 6: No, I would say Tony Romo's number is retired in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're saying Romo has a good enough career

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Speaker 3: Yes, but that doesn't get him to Jim Nant's gatme.

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Speaker 4: No, it does not get you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I'm saying, if he played for the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 3: Corn Ferry Tour. Is that what it's called. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 5: He would never get to the PGA Tour, but he'd

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Speaker 3: He's in the Bengals Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 5: He's like doing the most of his golf career on

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Speaker 1: Now if Joe Burrow wanted because it doesn't matter about

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Speaker 3: But when Burrow's done, if he wants Romo's job, he's

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Speaker 3: got it right done. I don't know. I think so, Taylor.

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Speaker 7: If if Joe Burrow was on the Dallas Cowboys, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why'd you go to Taylor there as a broadcasting expert?

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Speaker 3: Well, because he hates everybody. There's only a certain way

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Speaker 5: And again, Taylor gave you shit the other day for

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Speaker 5: Taylor went full hand up, full hand So I was

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Speaker 5: just pointing at him and said, Taylor, it's time.

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Speaker 3: For you to go right.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of the level of quarterback

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Kyler Murray, when he retires, he wants

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Speaker 1: don't care what kind of career. He's an Arizona coordinal quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are They're not getting jobs like that.

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Speaker 6: You either have to be transcendently good or be very

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Speaker 1: Listen, look at the guys calling your games every Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Romo and it's Troy fucking Aikman.

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Speaker 5: Okay, would Perdy get that job after a long career

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Speaker 3: No, but Mac Jones might.

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Speaker 5: I want to go back to Joe Burrow because I

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Speaker 5: the way, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow with his injury. Who

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Speaker 5: else do we get? I want to talk about Patrick

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Speaker 5: Mahomes because I'm kind of tired of our already. What

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Speaker 5: direction of that conversation's going? But I was asking this

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Speaker 3: Why I don't wait till the show starts.

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Speaker 5: Why are we blaming specifically Cincinnati's offensive line play or

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Speaker 1: He wasn't selected number one overall, but he was so

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Speaker 5: Well when they when they selected Jamar Chase, they had

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Speaker 5: an opportunity to select Suell they didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and Chase has worked out.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, there's there's a lot of quarterbacks with

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Speaker 5: poor offensive lines who didn't get hurt or don't get

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Speaker 5: hurt as often as Joe Burrow. There are also other

447
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Speaker 5: quarterbacks that don't have the receivers that Joe Burrow has

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Speaker 5: that don't get hurt or don't get hit as often

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Speaker 5: as he does. So I think what I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: say here is there's so many different reasons why it

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Speaker 5: could be that he is again ending the season with

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Speaker 5: an injury and has had so many injuries. But everybody

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Speaker 5: is just hanging onto the offensive line and the offensive

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Speaker 5: lines play. So I'm curious, is it the GM that

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Speaker 5: you're upset with and he needs to go? Is it

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Speaker 5: you know, whoever's an offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Because you can scheme around not ideal offensive line play.

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Speaker 5: But doesn't Joe Burrow get some of this. I'm not

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Speaker 5: safe for being fragile necessarily, but you know the same way,

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Speaker 5: we're like, hey, to protect your head. Hey, Joe, protect

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Speaker 5: yourself a little bit better again. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: that's a fair thing to say, but I think just

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Speaker 5: hammering home on the offensive line as being the sole reason.

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Speaker 5: It's just like, well, he's got other reasons where he

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Speaker 5: should be good or should be able to avoid getting

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Speaker 5: hit as much.

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Speaker 6: According to Pro Football Reference, Joe Burrow was hit the

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Speaker 6: sixty nine times last year, the second most in the

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Speaker 6: NFL behind Patrick Mahomes is seventy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but he was healthy for the most part last year, right,

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Speaker 1: for the most part?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he took the hits.

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Speaker 1: He took sixty nine hits and was still still played

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Speaker 1: seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: I believe you know.

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Speaker 5: When I think of Joe Burrow's play, I don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: think of somebody who is who just gets out of

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Speaker 5: the pocket flippantly and gets hit and all this. I

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Speaker 5: think he's a guy who tries to navigate within the pocket,

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Speaker 5: tries to sort of circle back around, stay in his area.

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Speaker 5: I think when you do stuff like that, you might

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Speaker 5: set yourself up for some of these awkward bending like

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Speaker 5: position right, like when you were messing with your toe

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Speaker 5: that way, like maybe it's bent the wrong. I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying that this is happening because he's not leaving the

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Speaker 5: pocket or because of how he plays. I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: when I watch him play, I think of a guy

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Speaker 5: who can hit, who can get hit in awkward ways.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, he might get hurt more so than other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: So maybe he's not protecting himself as well as he

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Speaker 5: could inside that pocket.

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Speaker 6: So for frame of reference, is he Caleb Williams, who

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Speaker 6: we know gets sacked way too much despite being one

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Speaker 6: of the hardest guys to sack, despite what the pole says,

496
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Speaker 6: was hit forty times. So it's not only that it's

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Speaker 6: not even getting sacked. He's getting hit on every play.

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Speaker 6: And I think Bengals fans to answer your question, why

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Speaker 6: is the line getting blamed? Bengals fans know what their

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Speaker 6: offense could be with T Higgins and Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 6: Joe Burrow. They know what it could be, and they

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Speaker 6: have to blame something when it's not happening. And the

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Speaker 6: fact that your quarterback is getting hit that often, that

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Speaker 6: must be the reason.

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Speaker 3: Is he what they're blameing?

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Speaker 1: Just so we're clear, it's not specifically the guys who

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Speaker 1: were playing offensive line for the Bengals. It's an indictment

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Speaker 1: on a lousy organization who refuses to spend money, who's

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Speaker 1: in a championship window with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T

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Speaker 1: Higgins Hendrickson, the defense has actually been decent this year.

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Speaker 1: They have this window and they feel the Bengals fans,

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Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, I don't know that they

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Speaker 1: haven't surrounded this generational quarterback that they have with the

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Speaker 1: right offensive line. And your point is a good one.

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Speaker 1: Burrow pushed for Jamaar Chase. He did not push for

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 5: Didn't he say something also about publicly at least about

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Speaker 5: supporting t Higgins and his.

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Speaker 3: Return to the Bengals.

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Speaker 5: So then, if you're an offensive coordinator, you can't blame

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Speaker 5: the offensive line. You've got to figure out a way

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Speaker 5: to get the ball out of his hands quicker because

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Speaker 5: those guys should be able to get open pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: There's only so much money you could spend. They have

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of it on Joe Burrow. They have

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of it on Jamar Chase, they have

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of it on t Higgins. And you're

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Speaker 1: gonna suffer in other places because you're spending so much

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Speaker 1: money there. And then your factor in Hendrickson and where

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Speaker 1: they are suffering is the offensive line at Bengals. Fans

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Speaker 1: can't fathom that because how how could we be suffering

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Speaker 1: on an offensive line that is supposed to protect the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback of the game.

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Speaker 3: We have the guy, we have a window protect tip.

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Speaker 1: They can't do all of that, though, because you can

536
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Speaker 1: only spend so much money in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: I think the biggest problem is the Bengals have tried

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Speaker 7: to invest resources into their offensive line, Like they gave

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Speaker 7: Orlando Brown Junior a pretty big contract to get him

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Speaker 7: away from the Chiefs. They drafted Amarius Mims in the

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Speaker 7: first round. They drafted another offensive lineman in the third

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Speaker 7: round this past year. So they've been putting starters in

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Speaker 7: but for whatever reason, the pieces just don't fit. And

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Speaker 7: I think what the Bengals are doing has been different

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Speaker 7: than when you're watching a team like the Texans, where

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Speaker 7: you're looking at that Texans team and they just can't

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Speaker 7: figure out their offensive line. And not only can they

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Speaker 7: not figure it out, they're not really putting the resources

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Speaker 7: into their offensive line. Where Chris Simms is telling us, Hey,

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Speaker 7: this Texans team is a Super Bowl window, their Super

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Speaker 7: Bowl contender, and you're like, they traded away their best

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Speaker 7: offensive lineman. Well, they replace their offensive coordinator. He's gonna

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Speaker 7: change things. And then you watch Monday night football and

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Speaker 7: they still can't protect you, Jay Shroud.

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Speaker 5: If that, if we've learned anything from the last twenty years,

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Speaker 5: I think the one model we would look at that's

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Speaker 5: most successful is the Tom Brady model. You have the

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Speaker 5: elite quarterback, the guy who can read the game well,

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Speaker 5: the guy who can put the ball on the money.

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Speaker 5: Protect him at all costs. He will make it work

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Speaker 5: with regardless of what receivers. You give him great receivers,

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Speaker 5: he'll go undefeated. You give him decent receivers, he'll still

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Speaker 5: get you to a Super Bowl. Okay, And I'm glad

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Speaker 5: Mikey made the comparison to Patrick Mahomes because I want

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Speaker 5: to go further into that, because yes, if he's getting hit,

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Speaker 5: let's say two thirds as much as as Joe Burrow

567
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Speaker 5: is he's playing through some injuries. He's playing through injuries

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Speaker 5: that you never thought people should, through those high ankle

569
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Speaker 5: sprains from a few years ago, and you see him

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Speaker 5: lately he is trucking motherfuckers like he is actually like

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Speaker 5: hard and not getting hurt. So again, I just don't

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Speaker 5: think the offensive line specifically deserves the blame for what's

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Speaker 5: going on with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 6: I also think there you mentioned Tom Brady, and not

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Speaker 6: to go really football nerd here, but probably the most

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Speaker 6: important coach on a team that isn't a coordinator or

577
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Speaker 6: a head coach is your offensive line coach. And for years,

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Speaker 6: the Patriots had a guy named Dante Scarnekia, who nobody

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Speaker 6: knows about, but it's probably one of the most important

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Speaker 6: coaches in the NFL because it didn't matter he had,

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Speaker 6: he had an offensive line. It's why you see guys

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Speaker 6: go from the Patriots to another team and they're not

583
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Speaker 6: that good. You see all these offensive linemen that gets

584
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Speaker 6: signed away from the Patriots and free agency and then

585
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Speaker 6: they're like, wait a minute, this guy's not that good.

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Speaker 6: But Dante Scarnecia was able to bring guys in and

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Speaker 6: keep them going.

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Speaker 5: That sounds like an offensive line coach man.

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Speaker 3: If you.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what he yes, Dante Scarnekia Taylor put it

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Speaker 1: on the pole offensive line coach or runs the mob.

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Speaker 3: He could do either for.

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Speaker 5: The football team, right, he could be your mob connection,

594
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Speaker 5: or he could be the offensive line and him on

595
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Speaker 5: the show regardless.

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Speaker 6: He could also deliver bores head to local affiliates. He

597
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Speaker 6: could be like the leading that roast beef salesman in

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Speaker 6: an area.

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Speaker 3: Make that an option, ask Mac to get him on.

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Speaker 3: Is he still in New England?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 7: So I love how everybody's eyes lit up when Mikey

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Speaker 7: said the name Dante Scarnekia, Right, and for all we

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Speaker 7: know us three Mikeyy could have completely made up that

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Speaker 7: name that we.

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Speaker 4: All would run like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's one of those kind of like fringe

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Speaker 3: names where you know.

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Speaker 1: You've heard it, like you've heard it before, you know

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Speaker 1: there's a story behind it, and just on name alone,

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Speaker 1: the guy sounds like a badass.

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Speaker 5: You know, and you realize you were thinking of Dante

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Speaker 5: Calabria the whole time.

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Speaker 1: You