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Speaker 1: The most significant story in US history, all encapsulated in

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Speaker 1: this book. Mister Ralph Pazzulo today on the David Rutherford Show,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the things that you have

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Speaker 1: to begin to come to grips with is that our

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Speaker 1: country is in peril. We are under attack from a

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Speaker 1: collective conspiracy that expands the entire globe. And my guest

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Speaker 1: today is a man that had the courage to partner

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Speaker 1: with the two men that have conducted the most intense

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Speaker 1: international investigation around the world to bring their story to

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Speaker 1: life in a way that you and I can understand

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Speaker 1: how catastrophic the situation is that we face within our

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Speaker 1: election systems, not just in America but worldwide. So, without

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Speaker 1: further ado, it's my honor to welcome New York Times

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Speaker 1: bestselling author of over thirty books and one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite books of all time, a book called Jawbreaker, Gary Bernstein,

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Speaker 1: who ran the invasion in Afghanistan. Mister Ralph Pazzulo, Sir,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show today.

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Speaker 2: David. It's a pleasure, and thank you for your service

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Speaker 2: to our country, and it's really an honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that you know, what's interesting is we you know,

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Speaker 1: we all hit a point. I think over a period

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Speaker 1: of time, the more we're aware of just how nefarious

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Speaker 1: the world is, that, you know, we begin to realize, Wow,

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Speaker 1: there are are are organizations, countries, political leaders, international criminal

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Speaker 1: consortiums that are participating in all different types of things

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Speaker 1: that not even are just illegal, but are outright scandalous

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Speaker 1: and treasonous. But this one, in my opinion, is the

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Speaker 1: biggest story in American history. This is something that if

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Speaker 1: we don't get our hands around the country's over, could

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Speaker 1: be the next election, could be the one after that.

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Speaker 1: So could you first tell the audience how this story

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Speaker 1: fell into your lap and what compelled you to want

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Speaker 1: to do it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, as you mentioned, David, I've known Gary Bernston

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Speaker 2: for twenty years and he is just an amazing person,

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Speaker 2: probably the greatest CIA operations officer of our generation, you know,

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Speaker 2: a very thoughtful, dynamic person. Right. So you know, Gary

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Speaker 2: when we're nearby. But this came through his partner. So

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Speaker 2: last I guess it was May or April or May.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend from the DEA who was I

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Speaker 2: He is the greatest source that the DEA has ever had.

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Speaker 2: He has helped us solved so many drug cases. The

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Speaker 2: and I said, what are you working on, Martin? And

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Speaker 2: he goes, election fraud. For three years, I've been investigating

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Speaker 2: the election fraud, And of course my ears perk up

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of Americans like I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: as well, David. You know, I had questions about some

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Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, what are you doing tomorrow? I

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Speaker 2: I cleared my schedule. I met him and he took

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Speaker 2: of course, I was stunned. I was just like, you know,

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Speaker 2: so I said to Martinez, said, well, what can I

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Speaker 2: to write a book. I didn't know that Gary was

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Speaker 2: and then we you know, I started. They showed me

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Speaker 2: publish it myself and it came out in September. That's

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Speaker 1: What for me and I obviously with the news cycle

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Speaker 1: what it is today, which I think is intentional in

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Speaker 1: so many different ways. Right, if you flood this, if

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: But for me, so I first saw it when I

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Speaker 1: and I had met Laura once a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: I had interviewed her when I used to do a

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Speaker 1: And then obviously Emeral Robinson is covering in depth a

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Speaker 1: I think, what is so brilliant about your writing and

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Speaker 1: I found that very similar when you did Jawbreaker as well,

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Speaker 1: it's understandable because the technical the technicality of the corporate

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Speaker 1: First off, I got locked out of social media about

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Speaker 1: along with many many other GWATT influencers and podcasters. They

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Speaker 1: already been going at this for several years. What what

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Speaker 1: what did they say to you? Like where you're what

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Speaker 1: were you apprehensive about and partnering with them? Was there

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Speaker 2: You know, as soon as I saw the presentation, as

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Speaker 2: I felt like these guys have you know, they're real patriots.

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Speaker 2: They they they you know, Gary has been willing to

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Speaker 2: we are under attack and the American people need to

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Speaker 2: be made aware of this. And I knew already that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Gary had told me that they had already

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Speaker 2: I kind of understood that this would be uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is where you know, I put my stake down here,

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Speaker 2: so let's let's do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 1: I love that Ralph Like, that's the thing, man, I

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Speaker 1: think there's so many people out there that are that

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Speaker 3: So let's le's get into this all right. So who

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Speaker 3: are the main players as.

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Speaker 1: You begin down the road in the book that people

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Speaker 1: And then how does it begin to morph into action itself?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, it really begins with the election of Hugo

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Speaker 2: Javis in Venezuela in nineteen ninety eight. He was elected

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety ninety, took power, and Hugo Chaves was

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Speaker 2: Hugo Javis and cultivated that relationship because Castro saw if

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Speaker 2: thousand and four. The Venezuelan has faced a referendum and

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Speaker 2: Hugo Javis was going to lose. The polls show that

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Speaker 2: he was way behind, and Castro and his intelligence service

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Speaker 2: they said, hey, you're going to lose and you're going

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Speaker 2: up with something, and Yugo Javis was sort of like,

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Speaker 1: All right, Ralph, let's get back to this. Did you

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Speaker 1: all over. So now it's it's you also have oil

435
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: money that's funding it. Can you introduce the idea of

436
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: the of the cartel del soul?

437
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: Right?

438
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: And then also when dominion comes in, try and give

439
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: us the background of those two and how the fusion

440
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: begins there.

441
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically, when Javes Hugo Chavis took power in Venezuela,

442
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: he nationalized. The first thing he did, one of the

443
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: most important things he did, was he nationalized the petroleum industry,

444
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: which was huge. So suddenly he had the petroleum industry

445
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: had been was private before it was run by a

446
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: country called Pedavesa, and he nationalized petivesas. So he put

447
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: all of his people in key positions in Pedavesa. Of

448
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: course the company didn't you know, didn't do as well

449
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: with with with these kind of untrained loyalists and power,

450
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: but he had access to, you know, the money that

451
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: they were making, which is, you know, trillions of dollars

452
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: a year. In addition to that, with again with the

453
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: guidance of Fidel Castro, he created he started to create

454
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: a criminal organization using the using the Venezuelan military called

455
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Cartel del Solis and they call it that because soul

456
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: is a son and on the uniforms of the Venezuelan

457
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: military on their epaulets, instead of stars, they have sons.

458
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: So basically he turned the whole military into a cartel organization.

459
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: And with the cooperation of the FARC in Colombia, which

460
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: is a gorilla organization, with they had Evo Morales in

461
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: Bolivia who was part of their coalition. So the cocaine

462
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: was grown in Bolivia, it was processed in Colombia, grown

463
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: in Bolivia under the protection of Evo Morales, processed in

464
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: Colombia in the jungle, using under the protection of the

465
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: FARC and political allies of theirs within the Colombian government,

466
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: which is a whole other story. And then it was

467
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: shipped on military you know, boats and planes into the

468
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: United States, and so they were making another at least

469
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars just in the drug trade and became

470
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: today or the biggest transnational criminal drug cartel in the world,

471
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Speaker 2: in the.

472
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Speaker 1: World, and with trillions of dollars and annuals, yeah, trillions.

473
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: That that was ahead.

474
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: That was the thing that really kind of shook me

475
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: is that you you know, you always imagine that it's

476
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: right Columbia, after the takedown of God I'm forgetting his

477
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: name right now, of those main cartels, then it what

478
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Then it transferred the majority of power over to the

479
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Mexican cartels, and they've been in control of this thing

480
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: the whole time, when the reality is they're just the

481
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: like I love how you describe them as taxi drivers, right,

482
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: they're they're just transportation. And the real distribution king around

483
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: the world is as the Venezuelan government and military, and

484
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: then the cartels their soul is and and for me

485
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: that you call them what do you call them the

486
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: costco of of cartels? Explain explain that a little bit,

487
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: and why why are they so why is it so

488
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: easy for them to gain access to inner national markets.

489
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: Well, they're they're they're they're partnering with with with the

490
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Mexican cartels. So the Mexican cartels have worked for years

491
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: to develop a whole network and other gangs MS thirteen.

492
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: They've developed a whole network of you know, runners and

493
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: dealers and throughout the United States. I mean, I had

494
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: gosh in I think it was like twenty twelve. I

495
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: was in Las Vegas at a security convention and I

496
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: was sitting at one one day one night at dinner

497
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: with the police chiefs of Louisia, of New Orleans, Los Angeles,

498
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: you know, major, major, And I asked them at the time,

499
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: I said, what is your biggest threat? And they went, well,

500
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: it's not Middle Eastern terrorists And I said, okay, what

501
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: is it? And they said the car the drug cartels,

502
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: They're everywhere. And there was a there was a mayor

503
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: from Evansville, Illinois, and he said, yeah, we like last

504
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: week we arrested two Mexican guys in a shootout. And

505
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: like two nights later, I got a phone call at home.

506
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: My wife answered the phone and it was we need

507
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: to talk to your husband. I got on the phone

508
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: and it was a guy with a you know, Mexican

509
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: accent saying, you know, sir, you picked up two of

510
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: our friends. You need to release them. And he's like,

511
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: what the hell are you talking about? How did you

512
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: get my phone number? And you know you're telling me

513
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: to release you know, they were they're arrested for you know,

514
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: a shootout in public, and they were you don't understand.

515
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: You know, we know where your kids go to school,

516
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: we know where your wife works. And the guy was

517
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: like stunned. I mean, the balls on these people. But

518
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: they they they they know their strength and they exerted

519
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: in communities all over our country, and you know we've

520
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: allowed this to happen.

521
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole other component in the legal system

522
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: as well, being propped up by the Open Society Foundation

523
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: and that funding which is also linked. So let's pivot

524
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: from the cartel influence now over to Dominion. When did

525
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: Smartmatic slash Sequoia, When did they partner up with Dominion

526
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: and how did they realize all right, this was going

527
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: to be from a legal aspect, this was the merger

528
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: that was going to really be able to give us leverage.

529
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: And then can you talk through some of the founders

530
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: of Dominion their relationships around the world.

531
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, So what started with Smartmatic. Smartmatic was very

532
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: small and local. It was this event Azuela o company.

533
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: They the first company they bought was called Sequoia. Sequoia

534
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: had been around for one hundred years. They had they

535
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: were their basic their basic business was atm machines, but

536
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: they got into voting machines. So the Venezuelans bought Sequoia.

537
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: When they applied for the contract in California to run

538
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: elections in California through Sequoia. What I referred to before

539
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: the Secretary of State did an audit and said, no,

540
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: we're not going to accept this company. So what they

541
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: ended up doing is they ended up selling Sequoia. It

542
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: made it look like they were selling Sequoia to Dominion.

543
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Dominion was this tiny election company that was running like

544
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: an election in one district in Ontario, Canada, right, and

545
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 2: suddenly so they they they you know, they're very clever,

546
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, they everything is disguised and and and so

547
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: basically they end up taking over a company called Dominion

548
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: and blowing it up into this you know, big election

549
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: company and winning all these contracts in all the key

550
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: election districts in the United States, and they then they

551
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: decide to Okay, we're going to use a dominion to

552
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: run elections in the United States and we're gonna we're gonna,

553
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: uh Smartmatic will be kind of our global uh company

554
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: with the global reach, and we'll try to win contracts

555
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: in other countries around the world through Smartmatic. So Smartmatic

556
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 2: only runs one district in the United States, and that's

557
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: Los Angeles County and and and therefore, which is where

558
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: I live. And it's it's so bad and uh, I mean,

559
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: will ever win an election in Los Angeles as long

560
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: as smartmatics here?

561
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: And it pains me.

562
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm my you know, my whole family will have My

563
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: family's been in California, pow and Sadena for you know,

564
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: forty forty five years. My brother lived out there for

565
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: thirty years before he moved to New York. I was

566
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: stationed out there seven and a half years, and man it,

567
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of the greatest places on

568
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: earth that you could ever visit. And you could just

569
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: see the deterioration, you know. And the fact that that

570
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Karen Bass, who is a vowed Marxists been to Cuba

571
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: for her training, is now the mayor of Los Angeles

572
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: and what we're seeing. I mean, it's just I don't know, like,

573
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: how do what's staggering to me? I guess and I

574
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: guess there's a cognitive dissonance that's been built into the

575
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: consciousness of American citizens now. So even though you see

576
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: it with your own eyes, you're either too afraid to

577
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: say anything as as a result of the you know,

578
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: decade long fear campaign of cancelation, or or you just

579
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: you you you.

580
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: What can I do?

581
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't have a say, right, And so people allowed

582
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: to come up, and it's almost like this is the

583
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: story that will be the trigger to get it going right,

584
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: because once you realize the magnitude of the nefariousness, it

585
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: really begins to grow.

586
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, I deal with this almost on a daily basis.

587
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I have been here, I have

588
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: lived here for twenty years. I'm originally from New York.

589
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: But you know, as you say, David, I have just seen,

590
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, the disintegration of the whole you know, city

591
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: and the public structure of the city, you know, and

592
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: people it's weird. People accept it, you know, Yes, as

593
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: you say, they either don't know what to do, or

594
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: they're so brainwashed and afraid to step out and complain

595
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: about it. And another part of it is that people

596
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: that politically, you know, the media and and and and

597
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the forces behind the scenes, they've

598
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: politicized everything. So it's like if you if you criticize,

599
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: you know, Karen Bass or her handling of for example,

600
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: the fires last year earlier this year, you go, you know, you're, well,

601
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: you're you're a you're a.

602
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: Trump guy, right or racist?

603
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Right or racist or whatever. And it's like, no, I

604
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: don't look, I don't care who i'm you know, I

605
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: don't really care what your political affiliation is. If you're

606
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: good at what you do, right, you know, and that's right, right,

607
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: I'm fine, you know, I'm open minded. But it's it's

608
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: just a weird thing. And that's why I keep telling people, hey, look,

609
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: this isn't political. It's really an attack on our country.

610
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned before, it's aided by a lot

611
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: of NGOs that have been funded by Venezuela and China.

612
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: One of the things that the whistleblowers found out was

613
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: that of George Soros and the Open Society's Foundation, a

614
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: lot of their money comes from Venezuela, and China. So

615
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: they directly directly supports a lot of celebrities in Hollywood,

616
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: Hollywood whose names I can't reveal, but you can imagine

617
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: who they are, and you know, with big amounts of

618
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: money and organizations like Black Lives Matter and so on

619
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: and so so much of the disruption that we've seen

620
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: over the last you know, decade is artificial. It's not organic, right,

621
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: it has been you know, funded, it is. It is deliberate,

622
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: and it's part of the warfare. It's part of the

623
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: war that's right, exactly, all.

624
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: Right, Can you take us and connect us from dominion

625
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: senior leadership Mark Mallock Brown over to the Open Society Foundation.

626
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So Mark Malloch Brown is a very you know,

627
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: close associate and good friend of George Soros. He he

628
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: has always he also has had had a close association

629
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: with Hugo Chavis. He's been a guy who you know,

630
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: you could you could describe him as a globalist. He's

631
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: very much of of of that philosophy. And he became

632
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: the he was the pre he was the the president

633
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: of Smartmatic. After the twenty twenty election, he was awarded

634
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: with the presidency of the Open Society foundations. So the

635
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: connection between the two is very obvious and out in

636
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: the open, really, but it's just weird, David. It's like

637
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: the press doesn't doesn't look at any of this stuff.

638
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: Like the whole idea of having investigative for journalism, which

639
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: which is so important in a in a society like ours,

640
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: it has disappeared. You know, these are all major, you know,

641
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: important phenomena that that that that you know, that we

642
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: need to be made that people should have been made

643
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: aware of. But it's all cloak now. And well, if

644
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: you even look at it, you're a conspiracy theorist. This

645
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: is that, this is there's no conspiracy here. This is

646
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: this is hard information. That's what is so brilliant about

647
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: what Gary and Martine have done. Gary is a CIA

648
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Speaker 2: operations officer. He builds cases by and has in his

649
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: career and is trained to do that by You find

650
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: the terrorist group of the Carenal conspiracy and you penetrate it.

651
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: You find sources within the conspiracy and you either pay

652
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: the money or you threaten them. You know, you come

653
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: work with us, give us information about how this conspiracy works.

654
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: That's and that's what they did here.

655
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: So I think that's what, Yeah, that's what people I think.

656
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, people read a book and they go, oh,

657
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: he's a journalist. Uh all he this is all hearsay.

658
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: There was no These guys aren't real investigators. It's also sensational.

659
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: There's a global conspiracy to control worldwide elections that's ridiculous

660
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: and involves cartels in China, and you know, you know,

661
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: and people are so overwhelmed by that reality. But you're right, like,

662
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: and if you look at both Gary and Martin, these

663
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: are world class investigators, people that have been at the

664
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Speaker 1: tip of the sphere, in particular in Central and South America.

665
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Speaker 1: And what I think, you know, we've become I think

666
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: the American public became so aligned with a singular threat

667
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: coming from the Middle East post nine to eleven, which

668
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I believe was all intentional to distract us from what

669
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: our regional worries were, which was the rise and growth

670
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: of communism and socialism at scale, with our South American

671
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Speaker 1: and Central American.

672
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: Partners right right on the mark, right on the mark. Yeah,

673
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: So that allow a lot of this happened because all

674
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: of the focus was on the Middle East, and so

675
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: our intelligence agencies were they were penetrated and and and

676
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: there's a there's a lot of corruption involved, but it

677
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: gave it gave Cuba and Venezuela and China, you know,

678
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: kind of an opening because the focus wasn't on Latin America.

679
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: And uh, you know what was allowed to grow and

680
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: and penetrate us further is something that at this point

681
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: it's choking us. If we don't solve this problem now,

682
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what our country will be

683
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: like in the future.

684
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, we won't have a country, well,

685
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: we will we will devolve into a tyranny that that

686
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: will require you know, civil war at a minimum.

687
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: Right, all right, That's the one I want to make

688
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: that's so important that you brought up before, is that

689
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: these guys are not they're they're not theorists, they're not

690
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: they're not promoting any point of view. They're basically just investigators.

691
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: And they tripped upon this. They were in Venezuela looking

692
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: investigating money laundering in Venezuela, that's what they were doing.

693
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: And they were recruiting sources within the criminal cartel, within

694
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: the cartel, their soul and so on and so forth.

695
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: And those people were the ones who were telling them, hey,

696
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: we all so do election fraud. And Martine and Gary

697
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: were like, you know, what are you talking about. We're

698
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: not interested in that. We're looking at to find out

699
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: where the drug money has been stashed in different banks, right,

700
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: And they kept bringing it up. And then at the

701
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: when the twenty twenty election happened, and it was it

702
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: was so odd, right, these guys kept saying, you know, well,

703
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: we know why. They said, all right, let's put everything

704
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: else aside and investigate this. And they spent their own

705
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: money and their own time, and they investigated it for

706
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: three years.

707
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: And that's what I think, that's what people have to understand.

708
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Speaker 1: This was not done whipped together in a six month period.

709
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: And the magnitude of credibility that these two have in recruiting,

710
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: and that's that the I mean recruiting a source or

711
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: an asset or sub source or walking or whatever at

712
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: Walking's you know, it is what it is. But the

713
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: rest I mean that is an art art really is.

714
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: It is an art form. And human intelligence, in my opinion,

715
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: is there's no better intelligence in the world because electronic

716
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: intelligence can be manipulated whatever it is, but human intelligence

717
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: and they went out and they have recruited dozens if

718
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm not if I'm correct right, dozens of people from

719
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: all over these places that have shared this information. I

720
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: think the one that really hit me the hardest was

721
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: the story of Frank Holder. Can you describe who Frank

722
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: Holder is and the role he's played in this?

723
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So Frank Holder is a former He went to

724
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: the Air Force Academy. He is a Mormon, very clever man.

725
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: They call him super Cop. The Venezuelans called him super Cop.

726
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: He basically is a Cuban agent first then was recruited

727
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: by the Venezuelans and became sort of the paymaster of

728
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: the Cartel del Solz. So he was controlling a budget

729
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: of trillions of dollars a year, uh and was able

730
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: to and he became a CIA source as well. So

731
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: he was basically when the CIA wanted to know what

732
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: was going on in uh Latin America, they were relying

733
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: on Frank Holder because of course he certainly had uh

734
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, good you know, lots of information that he

735
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: could supplied him with, but he had an agenda behind it,

736
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: and he was he was able to corrupt many officials

737
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: in the State Department and and our Intelligence service. And

738
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: that is all being I can't name their names, but

739
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: one of them was Manuel Rocca, who these the same

740
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: two whistleblowers discovered he had and he had been a

741
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: high official in the State Department and ambassador. He served

742
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: in the NSC and the White House, and he had

743
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: been a Cuban spy for forty years. He is now

744
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 2: in federal prison. And he's just one of probably one

745
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: of dozens of met people like him, even in higher positions.

746
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: So the Cubans who are very good at this. There's

747
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: another you know, another woman was named Anna Montez. Her story,

748
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, she was a head of the head analysts

749
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: for the Department of Defense Intelligence Service. She was a

750
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: Cuban agent. So these the penetration of our government is

751
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: startling like that. That's another whole aspect of this. But

752
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: all of this information has been found and discovered through

753
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: recruiting sources, right, and they point you to, Hey, look at

754
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: this guy, Frank Holder. Well, Frank Holder, he managed to

755
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: position himself to kind of control all the independent security

756
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: companies in the United States, Kroll International, Berkeley Research Group.

757
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: You know, so whenever there was a study done on

758
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: Latin America or what's going on in Venezuela. You know,

759
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: he was helping to write the report because he was

760
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: either the president or in control of the Latin American division.

761
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: I'll give you one example in twenty twenty when the

762
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: Clinton camp, when the Trump campaign was convinced that there

763
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: had been some you know, funny business going on in

764
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: the election, who did they hire. They hired Frank Holder,

765
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: who at the time was the head of the Berkeley

766
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: Research Group. And so they didn't know who Frank Holder was.

767
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Everybody assumed, if you want, if you want to know

768
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: what's going on in Latin America, called Frank Holder. Well,

769
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: Frank Holder is a Cuban spy. He's a he's an

770
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: e Venezuelan source. And what is what does Berkeley Research

771
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: Group come back with in their report? There was no no,

772
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: no regularity.

773
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: Safest safest election in US history, safestly right.

774
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: And this is of course reported on the front page

775
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: of the Washington Post and so on, Like, you know,

776
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: those guys are nuts. Anybody who thinks that there was

777
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: any irregularities in the election. You know, we have the

778
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: definitive source. Well, your source is a Cuban spy. So

779
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: you know, this is this is what we're up against.

780
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: One of the fascinating things to me. And what really

781
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: I think what Gary talked about this in the interview

782
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: is is when he was leading the charge in South

783
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: America to try and them the tide of this growing

784
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: socialism community, the new what whatever new form of communism

785
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: it is right and you know he's fighting, you know

786
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: in Bolivia, he's all over the place. And then what

787
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: was it when I think it was in twenty twelve

788
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: or sometime shortly after Obama's second election comes in and

789
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: then they were told to all stand down and then

790
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: and then Martine had a group within their Special Operations

791
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: division of the DEA. You know, they had talked about

792
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: having like eleven people and then after this they went

793
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: down to one person. So essentially, these people that were

794
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: in the fight were told, hey, the fights over, were

795
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: not focused on it that anymore. And so that was

796
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: for me, that was a big part of the validation

797
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: of the forced shift to look away from what's taking place.

798
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Gary was when I met Gary, he was

799
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: the station chief CIA station chief in Bolivia. That's two

800
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: thousand and five, and he was basically told back then,

801
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: we want you to back off of any investigations into Cuba. Well, Gary,

802
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: as a station chief in Bolivia, he's fighting with the

803
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: Cubans because the Cubans are there with the EVO Moralest

804
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: government expanding drug trafficking throughout Central and South America and

805
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: the United States. And Gary was like, what the hell

806
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: are you guys talking about? Why they're the enemy? Were

807
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: actively fighting them here in Bolivia and you know it,

808
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: and you're coming from Washington and telling me to back down.

809
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: And he and other one other station chief, I think

810
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: the station chief in Ecuador were horrified. The other ones

811
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: were kind of like, you know, Okay, if this is

812
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: what's the direction that's coming down from Washington, I guess

813
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: we'll comply. But it was an early sign of how deeply,

814
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: how deep the penetration was, even back in two thousand

815
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: and five.

816
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: Well, and that's another thing that I think people in

817
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: the United States kind of dismiss or or don't pay

818
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: attention to that.

819
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, our State.

820
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: Department employees, our Department of Defense employees, Department of War employees,

821
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: our law enforcement, Homeland, FBI, CIA, They're actively being recruited

822
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: around the world at all times. I remember, you know,

823
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: my first when I first was getting ready to deploy

824
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: overseas with the agency, you know, and you get this

825
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: little class on like, hey, this is what you have

826
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: to pay attention to, these types of people here doing

827
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: this and that, And I was like, oh wow, yeah,

828
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: this is real espionage stuff. And you know, that's that's

829
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: the core of what's taking place. And imagine whereas you know,

830
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: back in World War Two or during the Cold War, right,

831
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: bionage had a component where the result was kinetic. Right,

832
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: it could lead to nuclear war or mass confrontations like

833
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing in Ukraine in Russia. But now espionage is relative,

834
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: like hey, we can pay you exorbitant amounts of money

835
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: and no one gets killed. It's just the slow, gradual

836
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: turning away or relinquishing of your liberties through the elections

837
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: and putting these bad actors in in positions where they

838
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: can start to ignore the laws of the land. And

839
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're at.

840
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, well, you know, as citizens, I think

841
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: a very few people really understand how the CIO, how

842
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: the CIA works, and how the FBI works. But a

843
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: big part of their their mission is counterintelligence. Right, so

844
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: you're constantly checking to make sure that your your service

845
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: is not penetrated by these by foreign actors, which, as

846
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: you just pointed out, that's where they focus all their energy.

847
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: That's how that's what they're trained to do. That's what

848
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: our CIA agents overseas are trained to do. They make friends,

849
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: They go to cocktail parties, and they make friends with

850
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: their Cuban or Soviet count Russian counterparts or Chinese counterparts.

851
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: They have been much better at it than we have,

852
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: you know. And that's the shocking part is that here

853
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: are two guys who are independent, you know, whistleblowers with

854
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: amazing backgrounds. Yes, but they found something that are that

855
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: that our tax we paid trillions of dollars in taxes

856
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: to these intelligence agencies to track and they didn't see it,

857
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: you know. And it's like, what an immense failure by

858
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: our intelligence service that you have and it depends on

859
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: two guys who are just patriots to stumble.

860
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the irony of of your involvement is

861
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Speaker 1: is so uh, it's so substantial, like Jawbreaker, right. The

862
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: crux of that whole thing was, you know, when when

863
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Gary and his team and the Delta guys and tor

864
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: Bor are like, all right, we're we're an hour away

865
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Speaker 1: from him. Let's go and you know, like, just give

866
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: us the you know, a ranger battalion to shut the

867
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Speaker 1: border off. And then all of a sudden, you know,

868
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Speaker 1: there's this standoff and we want more money, and we're

869
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: not going to give you the rangers. And and and

870
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know, you know, is I

871
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: starts doing airlifts and brings out the entire headshed of

872
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: the Taliban al Qaida have been loden, and they live

873
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: in Pakistan for the next ten years, you know, and

874
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: and and that's just one aspect. And that that's it's

875
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: like the major focus we're spending. But obviously you're spending

876
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: eight trillion dollars. You know, nobody's going to shut that

877
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: spickt off. And you when you start to.

878
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: Allow your mind to.

879
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: Extrapolate the potentiality of what controlling global elections means, it

880
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: really becomes a staggering shift in consciousness. Goes back to

881
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, all I ever see is is klau Schwab,

882
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, saying you know, the Fourth Industrial Revolution is

883
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: coming and you must prepare and you will want nothing

884
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: and like it. And so how big is this, how worldwide?

885
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: How big is it?

886
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: How much proof do we know it's taking place around

887
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: the world right now.

888
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: David is unfortunate, unfortunately is huge. Smartmatic runs elections in

889
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: seventy two countries around the world. All the major countries

890
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: in the world are using smartmatic software. And we've we've

891
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: a number of countries. Leaders of countries have come to

892
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: us and said, you know, we think our election was stolen.

893
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we're three guys. I mean, we don't have

894
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: the capacity like to investigate everything, but we basically tell them,

895
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: like the president of Georgia near Russia, they had a

896
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: referendum last year and they were convinced that was stolen.

897
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: They had riots there and they came to us and

898
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: they went, do you do you think We were like,

899
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: are you they were using smartmatic voting machines? Sure they

900
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: stolen you know, Russia.

901
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: We saw this, yeah, Romania, right, we saw And then

902
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: the one that just is so obvious to me was

903
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: Brazil getting Lula back in you know. And and I

904
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Speaker 1: don't know if you filed Mike Ben's at all, but

905
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Speaker 1: like he found the US a I d money that was.

906
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: What would would you talk about?

907
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: That? Was that at the end of the book, Like

908
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: when I was going through that piece, I was like,

909
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're funding this too. All the major

910
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: countries that want this type of control over people are

911
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: participating in this, so could you discuss that?

912
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: Okay? So during DOSEE, one of the first things they

913
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: looked at was USAID, right, and what they found was

914
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: that there was an organization called STEPS. It's called the

915
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening. They were getting

916
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: billions of dollars I think total eight or nine billion

917
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: dollars from USAID grants and basically they were the marketing

918
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: wing of Smartmatic. So they were going into countries and

919
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: marketing through our embassies, telling countries, pressuring companies to accept

920
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: smartmatic voting machines. I'm working on another book, a follow

921
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: up book now where there's some case studies, and one

922
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Speaker 2: of them is from Guatemala. And in Guatemala, the US

923
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: ambassador and people in the embassy were basically twisting the

924
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: arms of the Guatemalan government and saying you have to

925
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: and they didn't want it, and they were basically like,

926
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Speaker 2: if you don't accept this software, you're going to have

927
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: trouble with the United States. And it's like what the hell,

928
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: And the taxpayers were paying.

929
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: For that that's right, that's right.

930
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: All for criminals who are trying to take over our

931
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: country and destroy our country to perpetuate and expand their

932
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: reach around the world. Wow, I mean it's really quite

933
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: it is. It's staggering. It's staggering. And when you see that,

934
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: you go, you know, oh my god. And then you

935
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: look at the people who are you know, on their

936
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: board and do they do they know what they were

937
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: involved in?

938
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Speaker 3: Of course they do.

939
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Speaker 2: Aaron uh, Marco Rubio, who Secretary of State. It's like,

940
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, we got a big problem. We've got a

941
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Speaker 2: big problem. Master.

942
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Speaker 1: All right, what what how let's talk a little bit

943
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: about all right, so the three of you, obviously you

944
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: you referenced that Gary Martin have approached the Bureau, They've

945
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: approached uh, the d n I, They've approached all these

946
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Speaker 1: agencies recently too. What what has taken place with those

947
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: uh those parlays?

948
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Speaker 2: All right, So initially before before the Trump administration, they

949
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: were so they were basically getting from Republicans and Democrats

950
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: was we don't want to either we don't want to

951
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: see your evidence, or you guys are crazy. You better

952
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: leave the country. You're going to get exposed. You're going

953
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: to get thrown in jail, right, and there were there

954
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: wasn't active FBI investigation of Gary and Martin. We know

955
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: that now after the Trump administration, the atmosphere change that

956
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: the FBI and the Justice Department in particular took all

957
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: the information that Gary and Martin had found, including interviewing

958
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: their sources, and they did their own investigation and they

959
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: found everything to be one hundred percent legitimate. Wow. The

960
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: problem is they're moving really, really slow, and we don't know.

961
01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: But why they're moving really slow, you know, I don't

962
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean there there's definitely a push

963
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: and pull within the administration. Uh, some people are uh

964
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, don't want this information to be made public.

965
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: But it's all been it's all been checked out, it's

966
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: all been investigated. Elon Musk has looked at it. Uh.

967
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: My my concern right now is that this story is

968
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: sort of being buried and ignored, and the President, even

969
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: though he has tweeted about We've got to do something

970
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: about election fraud, he's not particularly focusing on this, on

971
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: this information which needs to be disseminated to the American public.

972
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Speaker 2: As you said from the beginning, this is there isn't

973
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: an important more important story probably ever. You know, this

974
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: is a takeover of our country from within, using the

975
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: techniques of hybrid warfare. And if we don't root it out,

976
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: if we don't talk about it and spread the news,

977
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to we're going to be kind

978
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: of helpless here. And what's what's shocked me is that,

979
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, nobody except for Laurel Logan, God bless her,

980
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: and people like you, God bless you, are taking up

981
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: the story. Like the mainstream media they're still talking about Epstein,

982
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, you know, NBC, everybody, Now,

983
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: are they all part of this conspiracy of they all

984
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: been paid off? It makes you wonder, I mean, even

985
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: the president. I'm like, why why are you not on

986
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: television talking about this?

987
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: You're talking I just think, I think the.

988
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: Coast of Venezuela. But why aren't you explaining to the

989
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: American people why they're they why this meme is so dangerous?

990
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 3: I think?

991
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I think I think obviously.

992
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: And you you you had talked about it.

993
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: There are so many problems that that Trump was facing

994
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: when he came into office, and the first and foremost,

995
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: the number one was the invasion you had to stop that.

996
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: Second is I think to expose kind of the icy

997
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: corruption bringing Doge in getting you know, I think hacking

998
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: away at USA IDEA was monstrous. An annual fifty billion

999
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: dollar budget to run these types of programs that was massive,

1000
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, to fund to continue funding the government.

1001
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: That was a big one.

1002
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously the the the Epstein challenge

1003
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: is a more nefarious kind of money laundering reality than anything.

1004
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: And I think you know that's and I think you know,

1005
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: Epstein was a fixer, just like I think Holder is

1006
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 1: a fixer, just like all these other people are work

1007
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: for the intelligence agencies and our fixer in some capacity.

1008
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: So it goes beyond you know what this this, but this,

1009
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you is the biggest story. And for me,

1010
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: this is going to be, you know, the focus of

1011
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna really try and drill down on. Had

1012
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: a gentleman, David professor David Clements, who was huge. Yeah,

1013
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: so David came on, We're going to release his show

1014
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: and your show. I'm not sure which one's going first,

1015
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: but probably you will go first, and then we'll deliver

1016
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: his you know, to drill down and then he's given

1017
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: me a few more names that I'm going to try,

1018
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to keep doing it. And because

1019
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: I agree this is this is the crocs. If we

1020
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: don't get our elections back, nothing else matters.

1021
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: The whole game is over all.

1022
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: Right, So so what do you guys, what's your plan

1023
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: moving forward? Now? How do you just keep keep the

1024
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: pressure on different the different agencies keep going and you know,

1025
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: talking about a follow up book, like what is what's

1026
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: your focus now moving forward?

1027
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on a follow up book which we'll

1028
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: talk about the whole the different components of hybrid warfare,

1029
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: how they've been used, the whole counterintelligence aspect of this,

1030
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: and so how they recruited people, who these people are,

1031
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: and the influence that they had. So I'm working on that.

1032
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: Now we have the whistle. You know, Gary and Martine

1033
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: have shared a lot of this and most of all

1034
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: of this information with the with the administration. But they're

1035
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: frustrated as I am, with the slow pace of movement, right,

1036
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 2: And so you know, I can tell your listeners that

1037
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: there are some people within the administration who are just

1038
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 2: as alarmed as we are. And then there are other

1039
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: people who seem to be resisting this and and you

1040
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 2: know it's troubling, right, So part of our mission now,

1041
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: and you know, is to spread the word to the

1042
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: public because ultimately the public has to decide if this

1043
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 2: is important enough for them, right to pressure congressmen, pressure senators,

1044
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: put the media at task. I mean, David, one thing

1045
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,440
Speaker 2: that's so important is that, you know, in a society

1046
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: like ours, the public needs to be informed about what's

1047
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: what the real issues are and what's going on. And

1048
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 2: our press has failed and continues to fail so badly,

1049
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 2: and so people are at such a disadvantage. They don't

1050
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 2: really understand. Everything's couched, like I said before, in terms

1051
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 2: of politics, and this is like, no, this isn't politics.

1052
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: This is these are foreign enemies who are trying to

1053
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: undermine our country for their nefarious purposes. And they're doing

1054
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: and they're they're actively doing that, and we need to

1055
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, full pressure our government and our officials and

1056
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: our press and everybody else, like, hey, this is important

1057
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: to us. We want to keep this country the way

1058
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: it is. We want our votes to count. We don't

1059
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: want our elections determined by you know, some officials in

1060
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: Venezuela or China. I mean, and if there's if there

1061
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: if there is you know, if there's something, it just

1062
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: all needs to be examined and investigated. You know. I

1063
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: put the book out. Nobody has come back and said, well,

1064
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: this is all you know, I've looked into this. This

1065
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: is not this is not real, you know, like I say,

1066
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: it's been it's been investigated by the FBI, by the

1067
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: d o J. But we need to This has to

1068
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: be number one in everybody's mind, like, hey, before we

1069
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: do anything else, we need to take care of this.

1070
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: And if our if our elected officials won't do it,

1071
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: let's get a new badge that will, because this is

1072
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: this is our concern, right And so we're communicate that

1073
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: message now.

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Speaker 3: And I think you're doing an outstanding job. Ralph.

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Speaker 1: I just am so grateful for your once again for

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 1: your courage of supporting Gary and Martine. They are real patriots.

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Speaker 1: They truly believe in in this country. They have served

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Speaker 1: this country at the highest level, and you know they

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Speaker 1: see what's what's at stake, and as do I. So

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Speaker 1: You've got another friend to help support in any way

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Speaker 1: I can. I'm going to continue banging this drum. Obviously

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: if there's any anybody that was in your world. One

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Speaker 1: last question, has have you guys considered to deliver the

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Speaker 1: power Point presentation, that four hour presentation to the public.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys considered doing that yet?

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Speaker 2: Sure? I mean, you know, basically the book is, like

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: you've got the book in front of you. A lot

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Speaker 2: of the slides from the PowerPoint presentation are in the book.

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Speaker 2: So I'm basically I'm basically it's based on Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: based on the PowerPoint presentation. So I'm sort of like

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Speaker 2: taking readers through it and explaining, yeah, exactly, exactly got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those those were just phenomenal. I mean that was

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Speaker 1: really the thing, you know, because you read, you read

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01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: a section that includes you know, these just mind boggling realities,

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01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: and then you see a slide with the actual uh

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: data and facts right there in front of you, and

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my, I mean it's it's all

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01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: right there.

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Speaker 2: It's all right there, it's all right there. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: the information is there. Uh, it's been shared with the administration.

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Speaker 2: As I say, you know, we're waiting for them to act,

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: you know, we're waiting for them to act.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we'll we'll all, just start building this

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Speaker 1: ground squell, we'll start recruiting other patriots, we'll start talking

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Speaker 1: about it more. I know it's going to be the

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Speaker 1: focus for me up into uh these midterms. And I

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Speaker 1: just once again want to just commend you on just

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Speaker 1: a really incredible story, an incredible book, but more so

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Speaker 1: your courage as a patriot, UH and the service that

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Speaker 1: you're giving this country to to help prolong our liberty

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Speaker 1: and on our reality. Quite frankly, so Ralph, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really trying to change our reality. They're they're

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Speaker 2: they're they're brainwashing people, they're pushing agendas and trying to

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Speaker 2: pretend that they're they're positive when they're not. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these people are. But if you understand, if you read

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Speaker 2: the book and you understand where it's coming from, UH,

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Speaker 2: it puts it all in context. And thanks David, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for what you do. I'm honored to

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Speaker 2: be here and and to get to know you. It's

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Speaker 2: it's really wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: We need more people like you, and UH, let's build

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Speaker 2: a ground a ground swell of support. UH and and

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Speaker 2: let our elected officials and UH law enforcement and and

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Speaker 2: so on help. You know, hey, we need your help

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Speaker 2: with this. We we don't want to be part of

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Speaker 2: China and Russia and Venezuela and Cuba. Like, no, that's

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Speaker 2: not who we are, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's not who we're ever going to be sure.

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Speaker 1: That's well, God bless you, Ralph, take care and and yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much