1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. One out, Good morning to you, Dan Patrick's 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: show Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Holnes, Doug Gottlieb in for 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Dan and Danet's boys are off today. I'm sure there 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is some meat ingested. So Polly was at snug Harbor. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was appropriate, right, He of snug games 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: are snug late. Um. I think Dan was fly fishing 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: last week or something something like that. I don't know. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll hear all about it when when the 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: boys return. Um, Ryan, you have a good fourth I did. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I did my daughter's volleyball team. They were they were 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: hanging out, So I was a volleyball dad. That was 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: my thing. That's what I did yesterday. How how old 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: your daughter? She's twelve, twelve year old volleyball girls running around. Yeah, 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the fun. You get to I have 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: my My daughters are fifteen, and you get to fifteen. 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Dad can't be hanging out in the hot tub. But 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: it wins fifteen, right, just like there's a there's a 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: twelve is about it? That's about it? Oh no, no, 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: no not they don't. They don't let me hang at twelve. No, no, no, 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: these girls they're too tall, they're too big. We don't 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: hang us parents. We kind of flock on our own 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: kind of. There's like a dad's section. Yeah. It's in 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: the middle school dance right where you have the boys 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: and the girls on one side. You get the parents 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: over here and the girls over there. Yeah, and then 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: my son East ten and there's other kids there and 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: they kind of, you know, he hangs with the boys. 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: It's we're very you know, we're off in our own, 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: uh sex. You know, you kind of just hang out 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: with your group. You know, you we don't mix much. Um, 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: now you get to mix as you've been on multiple networks, right, 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: you got that? Yeah, good deal. You haven't done the 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: exclusivity thing, I don't think, right, And so everyone in 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: sports at least and part of it is pretty smart 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: for New York Times to drop it, which but it 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a bombshell to people in the industry. Everyone had 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: heard that this tape existed, but it became kind of 39 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a bombshell yesterday with The New York 40 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Times released this this audio of Rachel Nichols talking about 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: Maria Taylor getting the Countdown job. Over her. Now for 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: some context, Rachel was trying to set up an interview 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: or he wanted some advice from Lebron James longtime advisor 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Adam Mendelssohn, okay, and Rich Paul and on the call, 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: which apparently was you know, like they tell you in broadcasting, 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: you're always miked up. You are always miked up, And 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: just just because you're not on on air doesn't mean 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: that somebody can't somebody can't be listening to your conversation. 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: So here was Rachel Nichols on the pressure that she 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: believes ESPN felt to hire somebody black in that chair 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: as opposed to her, Hey posting a farm. Also the 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: sound reporters, because that's for Maria the post. Yeah, so 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: I have times I don't know what their names movie 54 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: is that they are dealing pressure because of all of that, 55 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: and um, I'm trying to figure out I would just here. 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I think I just here all the success in the world. 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: She have her football, to have a basketball. You need 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: to get her more to do because you're being a 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: pressure about You're in a crafty long time Precord university. 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: By the way, I myself like no personally from them, 61 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: like go for it. Just yah, find the simhere else 62 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: I find um? What do you think? Right? Wolf? For one, 63 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: let me get this out there, Doug, I completely agree 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: as a professional in the broadcast industry, you are a 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: always live too. Though I don't like it. It was 66 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: a personal conversation, not a public one. She wants to 67 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: make a public statement. Let her make a public statement. 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm not with that, and I'm gonna judge accordingly. 69 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: But what's tough here is this isn't the first time 70 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: that Maria Taylor, a colleague of mine who I've worked with, 71 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: has been kind of thrown under the bus because people 72 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: are uncomfortable that. And I'm I'm I don't think this 73 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: is necessarily Rachel's angle, but people are very uncomfortable that 74 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: you have a African African American woman is sending and 75 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: getting the roles that she's getting. Now, I don't think 76 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: that's necessarily Rachel's angle, but there have been people that 77 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: have been uncomfortable with that. And I don't. I didn't. 78 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: I'll let you say, do I just know. I mean, 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: it's listen and she in Rachel's defense first of all, that, 80 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: by the way, most of that conversation which should not 81 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: be lated. Agree, Okay, Um, most of the conversations, those 82 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: are the real conversations that people I have, Uh my, my, 83 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: I have a really good friend I own. If I 84 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: give away too many details, people know who he is. 85 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Who has an expression in our industry which is, hey, 86 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: everybody hates everybody. And I was like, I don't. I 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: don't hate people like I have. I'm friends with Dan 88 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: and with Colin and with you like you name like 89 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: we're actually I exchange text cood to people. Says no, no, no, 90 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: everybody hates. If you start with the everybody hates everybody 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: hates on everybody, then you'll be in a good place. 92 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: And Um, by my estimation, women in the industry, and 93 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: a lot of it is because they are they are 94 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: judged very very harshly. Okay, but women in the industry 95 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: are exceptionally catty, exceptionally catty. They talk more trash on 96 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: each other than they do on guys than eyes even 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: fantased too. But I like, I don't think it's it's 98 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: any secret that there's a need for diversity in sports television. 99 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: There has been for a long time. I do think 100 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: ESPN has done a really good job, but I mean 101 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: it was pretty transparent what they were doing and trying 102 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: to put a female on every show, right, like, this 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: is not there not groundbreaking stuff. Anyone in industry, out 104 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: of the industry paying modest attention, would say, hey, what 105 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: have traditionally been jobs that go to males. They've always 106 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: tried to put at least one female. They've tried to 107 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: make be more diverse than the rest of the industry, 108 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: and they've succeeded in it. I think that the question 109 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: becomes like, is what Rachel's saying wrong? Is it fireable? 110 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Do you suspend her? And then there's the Maria Taylor. 111 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think, by the way, anyone's 112 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with her. What did you say? What do you say? 113 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: You said people are comfortable with her assent because she's 114 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: black as what you said. Yeah, I just feel like 115 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: there's a judgment on her that is completely unnecessary that 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: she gets and what my statement to Rachel Nichols was, 117 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and I think you kind of you chimed in on. 118 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page, and I think 119 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: you'd degree here everybody he's anybody in Rachel Nichols way, 120 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: she's not gonna like right and by the way, right 121 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: when you get here, you gotta do you. You gotta 122 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: do to you like you're the you're the junior and 123 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: you've been back up for two years now they recruit 124 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: some other dude to start over you and you're like, wait, what, hey, 125 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I've been here like I've I've been here for a minute. 126 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: That's what happens. Um. The hardest thing for me to do, 127 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: I would say, from my personal experience was there's a 128 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: obviously DeAndre Jordan was really struggling shooting free throws, and 129 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: I shot free throws well, not like a ninety percenter, 130 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: but better than he did. And that was the Hey, 131 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: we'd close out games with a center who could shoot 132 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: free throws right now, That was the kind of knock 133 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: on DeAndre. But for me, I wanted DeAndre to shoot 134 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: free throws, but I wanted him to be the best 135 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: that he could be. When we played for the Clippers, Chris, 136 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: probably Griffin, all of our guys, but that was my DNA. 137 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: I felt like, even if I helped him be a 138 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: better player and it would take me off the court, 139 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: it was me being me. But you do think that 140 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: in the back of your head. If I helped this 141 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: guy out, this is probably gonna be my exit out 142 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: of LA or off the team. Everybody doesn't have that mindset. 143 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: Rachel Nichols got to where she got to for a reason. 144 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: And this isn't the Rachel Nichols bashing show. Dug, Like 145 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: you said, we spoken at guys. We're not going to 146 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: talk about or girls who do not like the person 147 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: in front of them and the only the only problem 148 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: is they are in front of them. It could have 149 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: been anybody and Rachel Nicholas seed and she could have 150 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: you know, or would have had a problem with it. 151 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: I'll look, let's just if we we're gonna have a 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: real talk on this, right Hollands, Doug Gotli like Rachel 153 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: Nichols dad, Mike Nichols, the famous director. I don't know 154 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: how much that helped her get her foot in the door. 155 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: An issue when he's at ESPN. My problem actually with 156 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: Rachel is talking about the network having a terrible history 157 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: of diversity in their hires, Like what are you talking about? 158 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Rachel Sage Steele was the last host was a was 159 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: a black woman? Like they haven't they Actually, ESPN, I 160 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: would say, has done a better job than anybody, maybe 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: even swung in the other direction where there's it's not 162 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: necessarily Tim Legler should be on that show, right, Tim 163 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: Leglers can do it forever each and be on that 164 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: show in some former fashion, in some former fashion. Obviously 165 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Jalen's been doing it. He's more respecting. Jay will knows 166 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: hoop and he was a he was a bigger name 167 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: player and was on a big show and get up 168 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: and got that opportunity. But I looked there there there 169 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: are reasons, I do think, and and oh, by the way, 170 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: to those of us who are like white guys in 171 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: the industry, the reality is that because there was such 172 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: a lack diversity for so long, Yeah, sometimes hires aren't 173 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: going to go your way because of it. We all 174 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: know it. It's a bit of an evening of the 175 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: playing field from years of it not being that way. 176 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: But it is interesting kind of the pushback of Rachel Nichols, 177 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: who who was elevating and here Maria Taylor came out 178 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: of nowhere, wasn't covering the NBA to hosting their biggest show, 179 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: and um and and I don't think Rachel Nichols would 180 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: have been the best in that position. She is right though, 181 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: like she was hosting The Jump, she's basically hosting a 182 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: roundtable conversation on the NBA every day. She's got long 183 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: standing relationships in it, and Maria pops in and leapfrogs her. 184 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: So now is she gonna be upset? But there's a 185 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: there's there's a reasoning behind that deal, and she gives 186 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: her logic and reason why. I think it's. Look, it's 187 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: a really bad look to leak any media because now 188 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: it shows kind of infighting. I would be honest and 189 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: say that there's you could probably find that audio on 190 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: some form or fashion on every television lot in America, right, 191 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: And uh, but it is, it's a it's a really 192 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: bad look for Rachel Um. Who's you know calling you know, 193 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: calling it as she sees it when she has been 194 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the beneficiary on some level of the same evening of 195 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: the playing field. No, you're You're absolutely right, And and 196 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: that's a tough part. And like I said, you know, 197 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: you she's finding a reason and well, people don't realize too. 198 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: Doug is in track and field and basketball. Doug, when 199 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: we had a competitor on the other side, for the 200 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: most part, you just play the guy one on one, 201 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: and at some point you're gonna see Ryan's the better player, 202 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: Doug's the better player. You're gonna see you're gonna know 203 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: who gets the best of the matchup. When it comes 204 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: to broadcasting, it's it's it's it's definitely, um, it's it's 205 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: one in which is not necessarily performance based. No, just 206 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: not Yeah, And there's a lot of people who could 207 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: you know, sit in the seats that we're sitting in 208 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: right now, Doug, honestly, and it sometimes it's hard to differentials, 209 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: say differentially yourself. And I've come to try to come 210 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: to terms with this as opposed to my basketball career, 211 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: where it's okay, well, this guy's more popular, this guy's 212 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: hotter at the moment, he's been around longer. You know, 213 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes comes down to who's better looking and I 214 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: and I and and tell me how that's become a 215 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: thing that no, listen, that's become a like you can't 216 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: you can't do that. Like it's television, it's a visual medium. 217 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: Who would you rather look at? You know, I mean, 218 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: you've everyone's worked with somebody like them. They're just good looking. 219 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: They're just better looking to me, right, they have better 220 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: hair than me, guy or girl doesn't matter. And somehow 221 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: we've made it where people want to watch the X 222 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: and don't want to watch why and well it's about 223 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: and again I don't know. Do I think they wanted 224 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: a black host? Course, remember when this all happened, this 225 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: is you had me too, and you have all the 226 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: other protests and and but but Maria is young, she 227 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: is a former athlete herself. Do I think she was 228 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: accomplished the level she should get that gig? Of course not, 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: of course, not there are you know? I mean, look, 230 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Rhys Davis is a guy you could slide over. John Anderson, 231 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: you could slide over and there's plenty of guys have 232 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: been doing there. But that's not what the league. By 233 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: the way, the League also mandates who they want. You know, 234 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: it's such a big show. Here's a here's here's a 235 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: poorly kept secret. Why isn't Stephen A. Smith on that show? 236 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Because the League doesn't want him on that show? So 237 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: they're like, all right, well we you don't want him 238 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: on the show? Who do you want? And they say, 239 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: all right, well we want this is this is about 240 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: what we want on our show. Do they individually pick? 241 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: Not always? But there are some people who get blackballed. 242 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: That that's the way sports work. If you know that 243 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: that the leagues do determine. So I think there's a 244 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I don't think it's just this industry, 245 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: but this industry specifically, which in all honesty, has gone 246 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: through a dramatic change in terms of the the volume 247 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: of diversity not just black or white, but also male 248 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: or female on TV covering sports for years to the 249 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: point where it is interesting if it's swung in a 250 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: fashion where okay, now it's now, it does not mirror 251 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: who's watching, right who's watching and what do they want 252 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: to watch? That's really what should be most most important. 253 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 254 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 255 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio WAP What 256 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Up with You Dan Patrick Show? Happy fifth of July. 257 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Most us get the day off, not me and Ryan, 258 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: where you're grinding away, grinding, grinding away. Hope you guys 259 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: all had a safe and happy fourth July. You got 260 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: all your fingers intact, Okay, your belly full. You get 261 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: to celebrate America in all of her glory, all right, 262 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: So when you let listen to the Dan Patrick Show. 263 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: We did not know if Yannie or Trey Young would 264 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: play in Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals. Janice 265 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: did not play. Trey Young tried to give it a go. 266 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: He was a shell of his normal self in terms 267 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: of his ability to move around because that badly spring ankle. 268 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: And the Hawks were never they cut it, I think 269 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: to seven at one point in the second half of 270 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, but never really got was never really close. 271 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: They kept him at arms range both the pat last 272 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: two games, and Chris Middleton was a hero down the stretch. 273 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: So we have Bucks and Sons. Sums have home court advantage, 274 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: which I think is a good Both will be raucous, 275 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: raucous teams. Both teams have tanked, have bottomed out and 276 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: have and have bounced back. And both teams have a 277 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: star or maybe superstar who desperately badly needs a championship 278 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: to kind of solidify themselves their space in the NBA. 279 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: And I think it'd be safe to say, Ryan, You're 280 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: never going to get an easier roll run to a championship. 281 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Then what either of these two stars have gotten? Right, Like, 282 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: you don't face Lebron, you don't think you know that 283 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, you didn't have to play Kevin Durant and 284 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: um and and Kyrie Irving two out. Yeah, right, so 285 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: all of these things were gone. It's it is kind 286 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: of now or never for both of them. Hey, Doug, 287 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: it absolutely is. And I want to throw this to you. 288 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to see it earlier. But 289 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: in terms of me picking the suns, and you know, 290 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna double down on your wing bet, so 291 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: hopefully you're accepting I don't trust Bud. Let's say even 292 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: and everybody, Well, if Yannest plays and swings like even, 293 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: if Yannest plays and and let's be honest, Duck and 294 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Jay and we talked up. We talked about this, Dug. 295 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I was a guest on the show. And Jay Crowder 296 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: is guarding brook Lopez. Brook Lopez is gonna stand outside 297 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: and shoot threes. You gotta stand outside two threes he 298 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: did in in game five. Well, if Yannis is on 299 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: the floor and you put DeAndre Ayton on Jannis, what 300 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna do, right, Jay crowd is gonna guard brook 301 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: Lopez and brook Lopez will not get the ball on 302 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: the block. I do not trust Bud. I don't and 303 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't like to go after coaches. That's not really 304 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: my thing. I have respect for you, but like, I 305 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: just don't see adjustments in Milwaukee, and I don't know 306 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: if that's in Jannis's personality. And I know sometimes coaches 307 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: and I've been here, Doug, You've been here too, the 308 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: coaches tell us, hey, guys, rebound, hey, share the basketball, 309 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: do those things, and as a player, we just don't 310 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: do it when get on the floor. Maybe it's not Bud. 311 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's Bud's communication. Maybe it's the player's choice to 312 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: receive what he has to say. But I don't see 313 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: adjustments made in Milwaukee that I see the Sun's make. 314 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: And if it comes down to IQ, which a lot 315 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: of it is, I don't think it's just gonna be 316 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: a physical contest. I don't think this is like you know, 317 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: the Nets versus the Bucks, where Yannis just more physical. 318 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: He was taller, faster and all that than any defender 319 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: on the Nets. I think that the IQ shifts with 320 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns and that's gonna be the difference. And 321 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: I think it gets ugly, dunk, it gets ugly in 322 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: each game or it gets ugly just in terms of 323 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: series wins. I think it gets ugly in terms of 324 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: series wins. I think even if Jannis was playing, I 325 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: give Yannis a you know, one more win for the Bucks. 326 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: But I just think it's gonna be tough. And I 327 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: don't think that that's a bad supporting cast or cast 328 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: even without Jannis. I mean, Jewel Holliday, when you put 329 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, we've seen what he can do. 330 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: He's spectacler. Chris Middlicans can step up and at least 331 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: be a superstar for a game or tour and is 332 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: shown up in big games. So I don't know why 333 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: there's not more respect on his name. And we talked 334 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: about it, and we see brook Lopez still has some 335 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: gas in the tank, you know when you actually give 336 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: him the basketball and post them up. So even without Yannis, 337 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: this this the Buck's still heavy enough. I just don't 338 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: think they're together enough or coach well enough for Maybe 339 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: there's not synergy. Maybe Buck is Buck. I'm calling him Buck, 340 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: but he's putting out the most excellent game plan on 341 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: the planet, but it's just not being received for some reason. Well, 342 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I look, I think it's a really well put together. 343 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Remember they have PJ. Tucker as well, So there's there's 344 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: all kinds that there's some versatility there. I agree with 345 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: you that there's a lack of that there is a 346 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: lack of maybe diversity in his game planning. You know, 347 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: all of those things are in fact accurate, and it'll 348 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: be it'll be a big challenge to him, you know, 349 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: to to not get out coached by many ways. May 350 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Win has been incredible in the play. Okay, so here's 351 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: the question, if whoever wins the championship, is there an 352 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: asterisk by it because there's been so many different injuries. Yeah, yeah, 353 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: there's a big one for for one, not just the injuries, 354 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: but for two. Like I said, like, I'm not gonna 355 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: step away from this, neither are you and say that 356 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: the best player on the planet won the championship. If 357 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: Yannis was fully healthy, they win a championship. I'm like, well, 358 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant still better, Like on the West side with 359 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: the sign, like, well, Lebron is still better. You know, 360 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: he just didn't have a d that That's how I'm 361 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna feel. Lebron James is the best player in the 362 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: Western Conference this year. Okay, even off of an injury 363 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: even a little slower, I would take him over anybody 364 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: on the Suns. And Kevin Durant is the best player 365 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: on the East, I would take him over anybody there. 366 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna feel the same way even if 367 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton goes off and he's and he's the best 368 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: version of himself every single game of his playoffs, I'm 369 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: not gonna feel that way. The only the only person 370 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: who may be able to sway me a little bit, 371 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: but who may sway but I don't think I'm gonna 372 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: push the needle is Devin Booker because he's so he's 373 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: so explained, he's so much fun to watch. But I'm 374 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: not ready to say Devin Booker's Lebron James. I'm not 375 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: ready to feel that way, Doug are not ready to 376 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: say no. But these other type of moments where Devin 377 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Booker can cross over into kind of I don't think 378 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: it'll be a superstar, but into truestar category. He's the 379 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: true star, true best player, you know, whereas Chris Paul 380 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: is kind of the maestro. It's a it's a different 381 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: way of being a being a superstar for Chris Paul, 382 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: no you're right, it is I and I play with Chris, 383 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: and I think we talked about this. There's like the 384 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: happy the perfect mix for Chris with the Sons and 385 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: last year with the Thunder where you know, he and 386 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: James Harden were you know, I don't want to say 387 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: too close an age, but too close and I guess 388 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: stardom where they both looked at each other and we're like, well, 389 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: you haven't won a championship. No, you haven't won a championship. Well, 390 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: you don't play defense all the time and you don't 391 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: play like they were too close to compete. And Chris 392 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: is so competitive that it kind of rubs off on 393 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: teammates sometimes. And you know, with Blake, obviously there were 394 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: holes in Blake's game. They didn't always get along. But 395 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: I think from a leadership perspective, it's a great mix 396 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: of I know I'm older, I need you guys, you 397 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: guys need me, And it really really works for Chris 398 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: Paul and he knows he's going in with the right 399 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: game plan. I don't think he's expecting to score forty 400 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: points every single night in the finals. He's like, well, 401 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: if you need me, I'll do that. Otherwise let's win 402 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: it as a team. And I think that it's a 403 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: much better space for Chris Paul to be in as 404 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: a leader. And I think it's really cool to watch. 405 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: But I'm not ready to annoy either of those guys 406 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: are the best player of the planet, doc No. I 407 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: think what Chris Paul can do right is and he 408 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: showed the other night where what he's best at is 409 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: getting everybody involved, okay, and occasionally scoring himself. Yes, but 410 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: he does have that. He just reads the game and 411 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: the game needs his scoring. He can give you thirty 412 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: in that case, he can give you forty. Most nights 413 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna just give you twenty, but he's gonna get 414 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: everybody else feeling better and then he defends at the 415 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: other end. It's a hard thing for people to conceptualize 416 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: the different. Here's the difference Chris Paul and like a 417 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: Trey Young, right, Chris Paul can play well and score 418 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: ten twelve points. He can play great, yes, you know. 419 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: Whereas for Trey Young to play great, he's got to 420 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: score twenty five or thirty. Is that Trey's fault? Though, 421 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Like let's say this, Let's say Trey had Devin Booker 422 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: or Devin Booker esque player. You know, let's say Cam 423 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Reddish becomes what he's projected to be. Can Trey Young 424 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: have a good game scoring ten points or do you 425 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: not think he's that he's committed to the correct play 426 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: role of like, hey, my job is distribute right now, 427 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: because that's what's asked. I just think they're different players. 428 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: They're wired differently, and fewer and fewer guys are gonna 429 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: be wired the way that Chris Paul is wired because 430 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: of how we teach basketball at a young age. That's that. 431 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: That's to me what it comes down to. I don't 432 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: I do I think there should be a mental asterisk 433 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: I do. The problem with it is there just isn't right. 434 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: It's like like, you know, when the Pistons finally took 435 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: down the Celtics, Larry Bird didn't play Layburn in a 436 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: bad back. He didn't play in that series. Like, no 437 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: one kind of mentions it because it's you know, at 438 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: thirty five years after the fact. You know, there was 439 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: one of the one of the years where the Pistons 440 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: won in the in the finals. The Lakers had all 441 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: kinds of injuries and Magic was playing injured as well. 442 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: The Spurs have won championships on shortened seasons because of lockouts, right, 443 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: and no one ever mentions those now ever, So we 444 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: have seen that before. So maybe in the short term 445 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: there'll be an asterisk, But in the long term I 446 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: don't like this is no one can ever take it 447 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: away when you're a champion, champion, they just can't. Will 448 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: they contextualize, maybe get into the final, liked, no one 449 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: will ever take it take it away. I think for 450 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: Chris Paul to finally get there, for Yannis to finally 451 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: get there, and to potentially win one, whoever wins one 452 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: will reap all the general normal rewards, even if mentally 453 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: right now, we know it's been a very weird season 454 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: where more stars are hurt than are healthy. No, no, 455 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: you're no, that's fair. That's fair, and you know you 456 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: kind of make right in the second or third year. 457 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: And what was weird even is just through this season, 458 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: we never felt like either of those guys were the 459 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: best teams in the league, the best in their conference. 460 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: We just didn't feel that way. But you're right, you 461 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: come back and you solidify yourself the next year as 462 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: you brought back the Pistons. We know they had a 463 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: run in the way that they took care of business. 464 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: The Spurs, I mean, have been dominant for so every 465 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: single year. 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Henry Abbott joins us truehoop dot com at 485 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: Truehoop on Twitter course you can subscribe and they put 486 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: out absolutely fantastic stuff. Do you believe there's at least 487 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: a mental asterisk by this NBA Finals? No? I mean 488 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: there will be complaining from superstars who were injured during 489 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: these playoffs and they'll want to put that asteris on there. 490 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: But come on, man, everybody had the same just like 491 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: you were talking about what the rules of the rules, like, 492 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: you gotta drag your body cups of fish on here. 493 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: And then somebody's doing too right like Janis Will or 494 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Chris Paul Will or Devin Booker Will and that's a 495 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: share of you. So um, let's let's start with the Bucks. 496 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: And there is some similarities, right. The Bucks win their 497 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: last two without jan It's the Suns win their first 498 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: two without Chris Paul. Yet here we are at the 499 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: finals where the story is can Yan has win a 500 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: James Jipprick and Chris Paul win a championship? But what 501 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: do you make of their ability to win those last 502 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: two against a hobbled Atlanta team down the stretch? This 503 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: is the most I mean, how good are the Hawks 504 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: without Trey Young with Trey Young not at his best, Like, 505 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to rake that team, you 506 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm very you know, I 507 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: guess we're all pleased to see Chris Milton become like 508 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: a real closer. Yeah. I think this is a very 509 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: difficult finals and predictions we just published on True Little 510 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: David Thorpe prediction where basically he's saying every finals he's 511 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: ever covered, you know, going in what the two teams 512 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: can do, except for this year, we just don't really 513 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: know that the Bucks can be terrible. They have this 514 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: stagnant offense and then move the ball well. Um, without Yannis, 515 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: their defense isn't super elite, right, But um, I think 516 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: it really does come down to with Jannis, who would 517 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: be the best defender in the finals, Um, they're gonna win. 518 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: And if if he's playing like Yannis, like you know 519 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: in in in I'm doing the big like italics thing 520 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: like that Joey the Joey Yeah, Yeah, if he's Yannis, 521 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: then I think the Bucks are gonna win because this 522 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: is the best defense in the left in this in 523 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and without him, I think the Suns are 524 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna roll like I think if they're they're much better 525 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: team if without the without Gianna thankering that defense. Let 526 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: me let me challenge that statement right now. Let me 527 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: challenge the statement right now. And just thought the hypothetical. 528 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I need you to be real with me. Now, if 529 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: if Yannis play spearing leads and not at all, and 530 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: Milwaukee wins the NBA Championship, what narratives are we gonna see? Well, 531 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: we all, for whatever reason, we only like to believe 532 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: in superstars. I don't know why. This is how narratives work. 533 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: It's sort of crazy, of course. The real truth will 534 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: be you know, Brook Lopez or right like a lot 535 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: of like lesser names. But um, but no, the narrative 536 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: will be that Chris Middleton emerged as a superstar, right, 537 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: That's what That's what we're gonna say. What is that 538 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: funny we always do that we don't believe. I think 539 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: it'll just be the weirdest, the weirdest year ever Henry 540 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Abbott joining us. In terms of matchups, I do think 541 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: that it's a bad matchup for the Suns from this standpoint, right, Like, 542 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: the Lakers like that matchup because they just don't have 543 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: outside of DeAndre and they don't have another guy who 544 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: can could They felt I could manage a Lebron And 545 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: it's a tough matchup to match up with Yannis. But 546 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: the honest thing is fascinating because you mentioned if he's 547 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: real Yannis. Like the free throw, the free throw thing 548 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: is it's like uncomfortable to watch. It's gonna be great 549 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, right because all of a sudden they'll be 550 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: possibly four times, they'll be counting every second that the 551 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: ball is dribbled. Right. And but but the free tho 552 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: thing is just bizarre because this is not he's not 553 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: a great shooter, but this is not this is not 554 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: his shooting. This is clearly the as somebody who had 555 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: the yips throughout college. This is absolutely positively you don't 556 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: shoot two airballs in one game unless something wrong, something's 557 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: going on upstairs. Yeah, I focal dystonia, right, I think 558 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: that's what it's really called the medical diagnosis here or 559 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: where a focal dystonia. And uh, and the deal is 560 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: like effort makes it worse, right, Like if you you know, 561 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: the more you care, the more you take time or 562 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: you use your special best effort, the worse you activate 563 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: this sequence, right, And um, Tom Harris wrote an incredible 564 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: story about like how NASA trains astronauts out of this, 565 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: Like people get the yips when they're going on a 566 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: spacewalk and trying to reconnect, you know, things to the 567 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: mere space. And they have techniques. You just want to 568 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: make that. You want to make everything routine. And there's 569 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: a way that you like wiggle your toe, which gives 570 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you a little thing. He is. He has a routine 571 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: that that sounds great. His routine is the practice free 572 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: throws at the ball. Okay. Then there's the then there's 573 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: the excessive dribbling and taking a time and his routine's 574 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: too long, no right, Oh the more it just builds 575 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: up the pressure, you're like, oh god, this is gonna 576 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: be bad. Well, okay. Another huge thing about Jannis is 577 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: and be honest with hypercented knee, which means he has 578 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: bruising inside his knee, right like unexplosive. Yannis is not 579 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: a scorer, right, Like they're gonna build a wall and 580 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: he go over under through that wall, right, but he's 581 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: not gonna rely on his jumper, right Like this is 582 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: what you would normally do if not telling the explosive. 583 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: But that's not a thing he should be doing. Right, 584 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: So this is why I think I don't know what 585 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: he's looking like in the practice score right now, but 586 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: if he's not looking super crazy explosive, I think you 587 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: got to sit him in game one because you really 588 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: need him to be like fiery and explosive, and without that, 589 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't It's it could be a matter how do you, 590 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: I guess, and and Ryan, I you know, I know him, 591 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: like you're co hosting. I don't want to interview, but no, no, no, 592 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: but like I'm just because because you Ryan, he played them, 593 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: so you'll understand it. Like we got the full Chris 594 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Paul in the close out game right. You got the 595 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: first half where he was just creating shots. You got 596 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: the I'm gonna go he went for the kill shot 597 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: and he hit all these threes, which is not really 598 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: how he plays. And then you got a couple of 599 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: just ridiculous flops as well, Like the flops is just 600 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: and then of course he gets under the skin of 601 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Beverly, who pushes him and that used to be 602 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: his own teammates. Now at least it's the other team, 603 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Like Henry, how would you the Chris Paul thing is 604 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: because now it's become everybody loves Chris Paul. They wanted 605 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: to win a championship. But it used to be hate 606 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: Chris Paul because he always gets hurt, he flops, and 607 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: he complains about every other player and official outside of 608 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: his own play. I love this topic, all right, So 609 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: a couple of things. I just looked it up. By 610 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: the time this final start tomorrow, Chris Paul will have 611 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: played four games in twenty two days. But this is 612 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: about as rested as NBA players get, right, I've seen 613 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: there's like a lead science that you can give a 614 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: max effort five times in fourteen days, and beyond that 615 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: just starts to hurt your performance. So he's a guy 616 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: we saw, We just thought, right. Maybe it took him 617 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: a couple of games to get his mental game back 618 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: up to full speed. But then he was just like 619 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: the only guy on the court who was running around 620 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: like its preseasons. Right. He took more shots than he 621 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: has in any forty eight minute games since twenty eighteen. 622 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: He was taking crazy shots, right, So I think we 623 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: might he might be calculating, and Ryan will speak to 624 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: his calculating nature, right that this is the right. It's 625 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: like time for him to be in this Apex predator 626 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: mode because he's just going to be fresher than everybody, 627 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: which could be really fun to watch and it will 628 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: be probably super annoying to Patrick Beverley and other people 629 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: who after card Chris Paul. What do you what do 630 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: you make of the Suns though? Is this are they 631 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: legit was Moni Coach of the Year or is this 632 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: just hey man, take an advantage of opportunity, Like they 633 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: haven't played a team with the superstar yet? What, like, 634 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: what do we add up? I'm telling Doug that this 635 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: year is cool only if they come back next year 636 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: and do it again, and then we're like, nah, they're serious. 637 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: You know it's certified. Can you certify this championship? If 638 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: they win it and then kind of don't do much 639 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: next year? I mean, I hear they did. They the 640 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: players who didn't suit up against them are like a 641 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: who to right from Lebron to Kauai, you know, like um, 642 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: but I think the all that said, they had just 643 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: about the best record in the NBA in the regular season. 644 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: What do they win nine or ten straight in the playoffs? 645 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Like um? And I think we poll us a story 646 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: back in March about how they were winning and it 647 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: was about execution, right, like they just had you know, 648 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: this is where you get McAll Bridges the ball so 649 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: that he's super useful. And we didn't see that from 650 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: every other team, Like there were a bunch of stretches 651 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: of these playoffs where good teams, like including the Bucks, 652 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: we're just not running things well. It didn't have a 653 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: good stop. But part of it, but part of that 654 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: Henry is that they that when you when you have 655 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: a guy who's a star who's injured, now everything you've 656 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: done all year kind of gets thrown away. It helps 657 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: you initially because people struggle to match up with you, 658 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: like that did with the Clippers and all these other teams. 659 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: But like you know, like look, if you take Jamal 660 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: Murray off of Denver, not the same, right, guys, twenty 661 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: five to thirty a night. I believe that we won't. 662 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll look back and go, oh, yeah, 663 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: that was the year everybody was hurt. It is a weird, 664 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: weird finals, but it is a year where everybody was hurt. 665 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: And here we have these two teams and we're gonna 666 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: talk with glowing praise about them. But I don't. I 667 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: don't think most people believe they're close to the two 668 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: best teams in the NBA. Right, Like the Nets were better. 669 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: It was just a question I could they stay healthy 670 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: and not implode? And the answer was no. Right. And 671 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: then in the West, I don't. I actually think you're 672 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: making a good point, which is like, all right, if 673 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: you don't like them in the West, who do you like? 674 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: I would have said the Clippers. But the Clippers up 675 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: until this year had done nothing to help their cause. 676 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: And even this year with Kawhi Leonard fall behind O 677 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: two and two series they've done, They've done nothing to 678 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: tell us they were absolutely the best team. I think 679 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: it's like a you know, this is the year where 680 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: the NBA schedule makers predictably and terribly and harmfully, just 681 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: like it's like a chess game, but they took the 682 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: queen away from every team creating It's like, well, I 683 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: want you to do this is a weird chest drill 684 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: where you could what can you do with these pieces? Right? 685 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: And and you know the Sons were without Chris Paul 686 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: a whole bunch too, right, U and Cam Johnson, etc. 687 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: So I think that you know, it's a bummer we 688 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: had to watch this version of the NBA. I'd much 689 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: rather watch everybody healthy as a human and as the 690 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: basketball fans. Right, But we didn't get that, and we 691 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: didn't get it for any team, including the Sun. So 692 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't see why I particularly single them out as 693 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: having had an easy road. A little, a little off topic, 694 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,959 Speaker 1: but is Lebron James done? Will Will we ever see 695 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: like Lebron again? Like not like will he play again? 696 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: Like duh, but like like Lebron, like you know, close 697 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: out Lebron Lebron mode? You know, I mean, if I 698 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: a short answer, I think like Lebron that you have 699 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: to listen to on every political topic because he's can 700 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: determine who's in the finals for the next teaar like 701 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like, yeah, I think 702 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: he's not that guy anymore. He's very surprised that if 703 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: he could play sixty plus games and anchor a team 704 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: that makes it to the finals. I think that it 705 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: doesn't look like that on video now, right, Like it 706 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: doesn't look like that. No, No, it doesn't. There's gonna 707 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: be some there's gonna be some changes there. Um, what 708 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: do the changes look like? Do you think when the 709 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: Lakers are done. What can they do? Right? This is 710 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: the I hate that this is the way it works. 711 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: But once they paid KCP right a decent salary, then 712 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: they're kind of locked up, right. They're Anthony Davison, Lebron 713 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: James KCP and whoever they can get super affordable, right. 714 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: I think that's what they do. Um, I guess if 715 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: you're super ruthless and you run the Lakers, trade Lebron 716 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: right and just right right, I know why. But like 717 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: if you want to maximize your but you said you 718 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: know why. But again, like this is this is kind 719 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: of classic what happens with lebron. The KCP was great 720 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: in the bubble, he had a tremendous year, but this 721 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: is this is the Cleveland Cavaliers all over again, right 722 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: where you take care of all lebronze guys and then 723 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: what happens they're not good enough and you're, oh, you're 724 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: overpaid and you're locked up. So I mean the clutch 725 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: guys they have out not named Lebron me. Anthony Davis 726 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: obviously has to get better care of his body, that's 727 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: not that's a poorly kept secret. But the others that 728 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: the taking care of the this is what happened with 729 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Jr. Smith. They gave Stared Smith a terrible contract. 730 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: Why because he hit some shots in the finals, like congratulations, congratulations, 731 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: you can't make that much money and then continue to 732 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: put better players around Lebron as he begins to, you know, 733 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: get to that downward part of his career. I still think. 734 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he didn't really anchor him last year. 735 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: Um that was it was Anthony Davis's talent in his mind. 736 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: But yes, to your point, Ryan, I think those days 737 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: of you know, the days of the crazy numbers and 738 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: single Yeah, those are gone. And that's that's that's that's 739 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: the normal, that's the normal regression. Last thing, Henry, what's 740 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: your reaction to the Rachel Nichols leaked audio. Oh my gosh. 741 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: I take it as a sign of like, you know, 742 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: decades of week leadership at ESPN, right, Like a lot 743 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: of people are dissatisfied for these things to happen, for 744 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: these things to be said, for this to be weak, 745 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: Like I wish it were a place that everybody felt 746 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: safe giving their best effort, right, But it feels a 747 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: lot schemier than that, and that's sad. Like I wish 748 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 1: that it could be a place that was more about 749 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: like just serving sports fans. Yeah, like who who the 750 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: fans want and it performs the best, should get the 751 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: most opportunities, thank me telling us like we cover sports media, 752 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: like like this is a huge issue. Who anchors this 753 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: or that show? Like those shows don't do very well, right, 754 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: Like it's the most prominent position the ESPN has to 755 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: offer the fans, like tune out for that part of 756 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: the show and then tune in for the game. Like 757 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: I think different. I think the NBA is different though, 758 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: right because there's this Jex, there's these two polar TNT 759 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: studio crew is incredible. I will watch a game just 760 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: so I can watch them after a game, right, Whereas 761 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: ESPN the game broadcast is fantastic, and they've had so 762 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: much turnover in their studio crew because they want badly 763 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: to be TNT. So in a normal circumstance, I understand, 764 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: I agree with you in terms of the numbers, I 765 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: agree with you, But in this sport, the studio shows 766 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: are important because TNTs made it important because of the 767 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: quality of content, or at least the ease of taking 768 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: in their content you get from watching I mean, the 769 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: future of media is going to be reaching like young 770 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: people on phones. This is all just a conversation. It's 771 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: like baseball. It's like old people are going to watch this, right, 772 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: And I don't think it really matters to the business. 773 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: It's just it's the pinnacle of what ESPN. It's the 774 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: tinnacle of what people in Bristol produce, so they want 775 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: it to seem really important. They're big salaries for this, 776 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: but it's like, like compared to what happens on Instagram, 777 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: it's nothing. I guess it just doesn't matter. Like it's 778 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: a thing we'd like to talk about because it's eased 779 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: to talk about, and were you talking about it? And 780 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: our Robert's retiring as a basil ever and it's like, 781 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: I like all of our kids will never know Marl 782 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: was correct or Rachel Nicole right, Like it's just you know, 783 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bygone it's a relic of a 784 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: bygone era, and it's been very poorly managed. I'm sorry 785 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: that people's feelings have been hurt. Like I really wish 786 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: it could just be like a better run place. Henry 787 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: Abbott formerly ESPN True Hoop Dom Henry enjoyed the finals. 788 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk soon. Appreciate it, Henry, thank you, thank you, Ryan. 789 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: Take it.