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Speaker 1: Well, we are the authority, ladies and gentlemen. MY name

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Speaker 1: is Tank and this is the arm by Money podcast.

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Speaker 1: The authority. I say that strong today. The authorities from

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Speaker 1: all things are interviews. They can't get, they can't get people,

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Speaker 1: they can't talk to. See this. This is not this

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Speaker 1: is not This is not a songwriter, this is not

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Speaker 1: of all, an inspiration, true story to all of us.

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Speaker 1: Mr Harold, Harold Lily, come on man, come on man,

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Speaker 1: come on man, come on man. To to kick this off,

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Speaker 1: I first want to say thank you. This is my

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Speaker 1: m hmmm, dear mama, you raised the son of a gunner,

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Speaker 1: about it all. Yeah, yeah, you hear you, Lily, Yes, yes, girl, Lily.

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Speaker 1: That is called son of a gunner. Yes, so here

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Speaker 1: I am. Uh, gentlemen, this is fantappulous. First of all, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: introduced to you guys. Kick it all just really quickly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a child and I'm watching television and I don't

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Speaker 1: the second verse. It was the bridge. Oh I knew this.

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Speaker 1: to the gates of all who's this singing? Then at

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Speaker 1: talking about? Okay? I said, this is an arm by

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Speaker 1: I had just got from Richmond, Virginia. You know. I

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Speaker 1: gets you? So missing Elliott, here's the song? Um and

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Speaker 1: This is ah ah. One of the songs on a

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Speaker 1: I think, John, here's the song. He identifies a great song,

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Speaker 1: They're celebrating him and Mary Mary's success for Shackles being

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Speaker 1: He's right here, Harles Luther Van draws. No, I said,

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Speaker 1: Warn Campbell is telling me God is on the phone,

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Speaker 1: Litly Okay, good, um, Look, you gotta hit You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: You need to think bigger. Luther's bigger than women. Luther

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days. He said, oh, no, I'm

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00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: at the studio now. I said, well, I'm at the

420
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: bowling alley. He said, oh, you're at the bowling alley. Okay,

421
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: he said. I have a lot of cars. I go, oh,

422
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: where is this going. What does automobiles have to do

423
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: with a verse that needs to be rewritten? He said,

424
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: I have a Jaguar, have a Rolls, I have a Cadillac.

425
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: I have many many cars. What if I took one

426
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: of my cars to a mechanic shop and I need

427
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: a new spark plugs and they told me, oh, we

428
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: can't get your spark plugs today. What am I gonna

429
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: do with the car? I said, you're gonna take across

430
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the street. Do you want me to take your song

431
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: across the street? No, sir, I'll have it done good.

432
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: I feel like I've aged seventy eight years on this

433
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: particular call. Then he tells me the most amazing thing

434
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: he said, and another thing said, Yes, sir, I'm gonna

435
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: tell everybody I wrote it. I said, well, this is

436
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: too much to understand, ship, but let me submit my

437
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: will and my I did just get here from Richmond, Virginia.

438
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Uh I, I was making brackets about three months ago.

439
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: Or yes, sir, would you like to know why? Yes?

440
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: He said, well I'm gonna go on Oprah. Oprah is

441
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna ask me a question. The way I answered that

442
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: question can make you more money. So what's the question?

443
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: The question is, oh, Luther, all right, I want you

444
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: to tell my studio audience and the millions watching how

445
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: you came up with this song. The first answer is, oh,

446
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: a guy named her a little from Richmond, Virginia wrote it.

447
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: I said, hmm, that doesn't seem exciting. He said. The

448
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: next way I can answer that question is, Oprah, I

449
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: want you to take all of my songs so amazing

450
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: in our house is not a home power love never

451
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: too much, roll them into one and introduced it to

452
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: a new generation. That's how this song came together. He said,

453
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: which answer is gonna make you more money? I said

454
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the second one. I don't know. Listen, I don't know

455
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: how much y'all be on it of there, but you

456
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: know I'm tapping here there And there is of me

457
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: in a video of a man from the Bay Area saying,

458
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: you gotta you're think it's too small? Big, big big.

459
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: That was the That was the conversation ever since. The

460
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: guys I've said nothing. I've said nothing. I've said nothing.

461
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: And the people who needed to know, they know, and

462
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: they know. The people who needed to know, they they

463
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I talked to them often. Now recently, I am submitting

464
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: to the information age. I feel like now the age

465
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: demands the information. If you have information, the age will

466
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: receive it. Why in your phones is your birthdate and

467
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: your social in your credit card? And the age it's

468
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna get that information. And I have a company. I

469
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: have a I have a place where there are children

470
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: doing some immaculate things that come out of the speakers,

471
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and they're telling me, Harry, can you say something. I

472
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Why would I do that? God told me

473
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: not to. This is about hard that was you as

474
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: a songwriter. You're not you're not. You got people here,

475
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: and I go, I do live in Los Angeles. It

476
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: is storyline. If you tell the story in Los Angeles, guys, uh,

477
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: you kind of tell it everywhere. It's the third largest

478
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: economy in the world. I'm like, damn, man, we gotta

479
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names. Brove, I've been blessed. Bro

480
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I've been blessed. But then I go, well, maybe I

481
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: should start talking now, maybe say something. Maybe I should.

482
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: And the irony My first Grammy was a song called

483
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: you Don't Know My Name irony of I'm not gonna

484
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: say your name. Yes in your first Grammy being you

485
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: don't know my name? Uh, Alicia Keys is coming off

486
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: ten million real album so like this is ten million

487
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: real albums, so real. Yeah. Yeah, like no, she's coming

488
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: yeah physical, she's coming off of so you got to

489
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: pick the plastic off of these Yes, yes, And then

490
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: there's some tape, Yes sir, Yes, sir, you gotta undo

491
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: to take. You're gonna see Uncle Bobby's name when you

492
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: when you open up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I seen it, yeah,

493
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: and so guys. I but again it was work man,

494
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I see Kanye, I see Alicia.

495
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: He plays beats. That was meant for Blueprint. We was

496
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: at qualit that day. We did uh m hmm. You

497
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: don't know my name and Unbreakable. I was like, but

498
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: it was to me it was a job. So I

499
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: gotta I go, I gotta, I gotta do this tomorrow.

500
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: So it's I gotta. You know, my bird saying this

501
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: used to do something. Definitely, here's the very same. You

502
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: didn't walk away though you walk away the game. Oh no,

503
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually no mm hmm. I was. Um. You know,

504
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: when you write songs for a living, you have to serve.

505
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: Can I talk to the listen writers? Your job is

506
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: to serve the artist. Uh, it is not your session,

507
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: it is not your album, it is not your budget,

508
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: but it can be your vision. Okay, and so please

509
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: understand that you're there to serve. Okay, got that on

510
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: doing so, I've been serving in these studio sessions. Hey man, Uh,

511
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: we've abbing out with Jamie. Jamie wanted to talk his ship.

512
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: Be Jamie deserves and should talk every amount of ship

513
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: that he wants to talk. If I'm in the room,

514
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: if if if Warren called me he needs a song

515
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: for the Soul Secret, let's go back. If Jamie wants

516
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: to talk his ship, Yes, you should be able to

517
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: talk to ship, and I should be able to serve

518
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: that as a song. Where as you serve that, Yes,

519
00:42:52,800 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you serve? Unpredictable? He's

520
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: coming off of ray. Uh, he just want an oscar

521
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: talk about it and it was the hottest project to

522
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: get on at the time. Clive Davis was holding Bungalow

523
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: meetings for the songs. You know material, Can I say another?

524
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: You have to bring it the writers. If you can

525
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: read it, it'll probably sing even better. Okay, I go

526
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: to the place he tells me about Jamie. He's like,

527
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: he's And all I know at the time is it

528
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: was just if you That's all I know. That's all

529
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: I know at the time. And I know he's a

530
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: dynamic actor, and um, it's the biggest project to get on.

531
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Brian Prescott talk about it the Guy with the King,

532
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: but for the new ones. Yeah, Brian Prescott calls me

533
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and says her out of hit boy, I out of

534
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: hit I'm trying to take now. Prior, prior, our first

535
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: record together was Brother by Andrew Stone. This is the

536
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: second one, he says. He says her, I got a

537
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: record it's crazy Big d and Jim Johnson, and I

538
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: was fans of theirs. I was fansy Big Things. Okay,

539
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: it was cooking. Oh that was cooking. He sends me

540
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: the Unpredictable track, so dry and ruinated. Baby, Baby, time

541
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: write a song, Okay, Boom, send it back. It's it's

542
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna be the s We're getting this, you know. Brian

543
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: starts to Brian, I go, oh, chamber records it. We

544
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: go down and I forgot what movie he was filming. Okay, yep.

545
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: And the the engineer of Unpredictable was a man by

546
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: the name of Camel, and he was on his way

547
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: to be the like you know he would have like

548
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: Manny and Jason and all of those guys. Now he

549
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: was that's where he was headed. One of the best

550
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: guys ever met. He passes away, right, And so when

551
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: he passed away, I said damn, because he called me, said, yo,

552
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: I've been New York Baby Unpredictable going crazy? Oh hey, baby.

553
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks. He's gone. Best guy ever met

554
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: at that point in my life. He was younger than me,

555
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: and uh I named my son after him. Yeah. Yeah,

556
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean one of the best guys I ever met. Man,

557
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: And so all these records Man Tray songs just gotta

558
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: make it. I gotta stay it, unpredicted, ok. I gotta

559
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: stay there because I was there. Yeah, you were there.

560
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: We did a song called three Letter Words. I was

561
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: there and I remember I said, Tank is here here.

562
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: I can get Tanked to sing on one of the

563
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: songs that I was able to remember. It would be legendary.

564
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: It's a tank. You think you can sing on this song? Oh?

565
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Come on, man, whatever Tank goes in the booth. Ah

566
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: and I hear Tank, Dude does Tank? My life is

567
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: into it. I'm Sarah lily As. You've been reading um

568
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: as you're a scholar on the subject. He's about Yeah,

569
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: doctor it over doctors probably. Yeah, I've heard it other

570
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: about this here. Yeah, we we need we need some

571
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: information from me. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're

572
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna pick at your rm B mine. Okay, yes, sir,

573
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: you know you got it? Yes, sure, I need to

574
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: know top five R and B singers from any time,

575
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: male or female, Male or female female, Top five all Time,

576
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Your Carotti, Aretha Franklin. Yeah, you're gonna start there. Wow,

577
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: Sam Cook, I'll see where you going. Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston,

578
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Michael Land, Prince. I'm sorry. Who was my top five?

579
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: And I and I and I didn't even mention Marvin

580
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: and Barry Whine because it gets crazy kids, So I

581
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: have to talk about our mothers and our fathers before

582
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: I talk about the children. Wow. I like that. Top

583
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: five R and B songs. Who you are a songwriter? Man?

584
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Tender Lover by for sim God. What a song. Okay,

585
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: that's number one. What a song? Jeez, Louise My who

586
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: wrote that? Who wrote that? Jamm and Leuis thank you?

587
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: They wrote it from from my You're standing Yeah, love

588
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: so tender. I love tender no more. They don't They're

589
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: not tender no more. Joy and Pain by Frankie Beverly

590
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: and Maids. Yeah. Yeah, sold out Arena's worldwide. It's like

591
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: going R and B, R and R and B Top

592
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: five greatest songs. Mm hmm okay Piece of My Love

593
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: by Come on guy, come on? Huh Huh, you gotta

594
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: have all of it, but you get a piece of it. Huh.

595
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: Four has to be Oh buddy, mm hm hm m

596
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: hmm Forever My Lady by joviash Don't Hold It, Oh Goodness,

597
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh goodness. And then number five oh man m h okay.

598
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: There's a song by Stevie Wonder. It's called Seems So Long.

599
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: It's off the Music of my Mind album. This is

600
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: when he's allowed to produce his own album. Before this,

601
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: he had done maybe eleven or fourteen albums where he

602
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: had to do what Barry said. You know, Barry basically said, no,

603
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: you're not gonna write anything. You're gonna learn from the

604
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: best writers, producers, arrangers. And it's a song on his

605
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: album called Seems So Long Music of My Mind is.

606
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal, It's phenomenon And this is one of the

607
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: first songs he's ever written. Well it was it was

608
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: on his album that he got to create creative control.

609
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: He had creative control. Man, it seems so long. It

610
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs. Bro so the theme today,

611
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: I have to go look at us. It seems so long.

612
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: Steven wanted to brow it up. Yeah, I listened to

613
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: this song and that I listened to that song and

614
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: that Okay, we're gonna we're gonna build an R and

615
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: B singer. We called this the R and B voltron.

616
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: Who are getting the vocals from? Who you're getting the

617
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: performance style from, Who are you getting the st from,

618
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: and who are you getting the passion from the heart

619
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: of the artists. Let's start with the vocals. Whose vocals

620
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: are you grabbing to build your artists? Aretha Franklin, I mean,

621
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: why not? Why why not? Why not? It has to

622
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: be We're gonna be on the mountain. Performance style, James Brown, this, this,

623
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: this person is already wonderful. Oh my god, like what

624
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you really think about it's wonderful, Oh my goodness? Who

625
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: unfolding ones, unfolding majesty. The vocals of Aretha, the performance

626
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: of James okay with us? The styling okay, looking like,

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Speaker 1: oh this is gonna be interesting. Um, this is styling

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Speaker 1: has really not been. But I know every time I

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Speaker 1: saw Prince, the intentionality seems so inality, it seems so

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Speaker 1: worri intentionality. Yeah, it seems so real, like, wow, us

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Speaker 1: that your pants, You're really gonna have you do this?

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Speaker 1: This was intentional? This was intentional until I mean the

633
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Speaker 1: the outfit, the shoes, the silver shirts, to makeup, the hair.

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Speaker 1: It was a movie. Oh my good Yes. And then

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00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: he made him, Yeah, a movie. Every time I've seen him,

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Speaker 1: him and Michael looking. You can't mistake somebody being Prince

637
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: for Halloween, you can't exactly. Yeah, even when it was

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Speaker 1: a bad it's a prince. Fix your hair, it's prince

639
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, Prince started. And you know, even Diana

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Speaker 1: ross Man, she looked like a walking, living, breathing queens

641
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Speaker 1: like black elegance and excellence all and like di was

642
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: some girls from Detroit talking to queens and kings. Yeah, talking, yeah,

643
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Speaker 1: carrying themselves. Come on, man, royalty Okay. And this is

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Speaker 1: and this is the power of this music. This is

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Speaker 1: the power of the people that do this thing called

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Speaker 1: R and B. Come on, man, come on man. So

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Speaker 1: I got them my three? You got anywhere? Yeah, you

648
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: don't got something else? One more thing, who are you

649
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Speaker 1: getting the passion from? Whose heart? Whose heart and soul

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Speaker 1: you're putting into this artist? Mm hmmm hmm. It has

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Speaker 1: to be mine. It has to be mine. It has

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Speaker 1: to be it has to be But I've ever met

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Speaker 1: anyone more passion. I don't. I don't think i've met them.

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Speaker 1: I'm fighting, never met. I'm introducing myself to myself. And

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Speaker 1: this is why I'm sitting on the couch. It would

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Speaker 1: it would have to be. It would just have to

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Speaker 1: be I know, close, yeah, yea, eat, sleep, breathe bleed

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Speaker 1: the music. Yes, I'm no corporate person, and I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing now that whole I'm dealing with corporations. I never

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00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: professed to be a businessman, but now I'm dealing with

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Speaker 1: business people all because I closed my eyes and go

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Speaker 1: into a room and sing in a microphone. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It would have to be met. That is the front.

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Speaker 1: It would have to be me. It would have to be.

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Speaker 1: It would have to be. So yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I haven't agreeance. Yeah, I'm gonna jay

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Speaker 1: do the rest. I'm talking because we got a special

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00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: part for you too, alright. You know that's really important

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Speaker 1: to this showy alright, yeah, and I know you know,

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Speaker 1: I know you watched the show. I know you tune

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Speaker 1: into your brother. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir. I

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00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names. I ain't saying the name. And

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Speaker 1: as you know, this portion of the show can be

674
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Speaker 1: either funny or fucked up. Are funny and fucked up?

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00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: The only rule is her literally ain't saying no name. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The year doesn't matter, the place doesn't matter, the scenario

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00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't think matters. But let's say this. I have

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: been holding on to a promised favor for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: M hm, yes, promised favor. And the person who promised

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00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: me said favor is um I'm sure as a person

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: of their word, okay, And I am expecting my favor.

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Speaker 1: H that's all. I'm expecting it, and it's gonna be marvelous.

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: The give back it's gonna be marvelous. So that's that's

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: probably all I can say. Uh. I mean, can you

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Speaker 1: imagine a twenty year favorite? Can you imagine it? There's

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00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: a lot of interest in that favorite. If I could

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Speaker 1: be honest, the favor actually propelled me into the unknown

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: just so I could make sure I would get my favorite,

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Speaker 1: because you can't just tell me anything. You know, your

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Speaker 1: new name is the Riddler, right, you know? Ler. It's like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: do you know you told me something a long time ago?

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Speaker 1: And I hope you didn't forget because I didn't no,

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Speaker 1: I think now it was a good time. Um for

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Speaker 1: the favor, whatever that may be. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what it is, but I was promised and I shall

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Speaker 1: get my favor. It's taken me many places, but it's

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: like you said something to me, and I know you

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01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: were going to fulfill your word. I was a child,

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: I still am in a lot of ways. But um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying any names, but I want my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Give that man his favorite. Please. You know who you are,

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Speaker 1: you know who you is. Just you know what? You

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Speaker 1: know what The story reminded me of. Uh, it reminded

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Speaker 1: me of what's my John Wick reminded me of John Wick.

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Speaker 1: And when he went to john Wick to collect on

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Speaker 1: the favor, which was in blood, he said, he said,

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Speaker 1: I need my favor. John said, I I'm out. I'm

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Speaker 1: not in no more. I can't give you that blood

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Speaker 1: right here. Yes I need my favorite? Yes, yes, And

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Speaker 1: John Wick reluctantly yes. After many fights and shootouts, he

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Speaker 1: had to pay his debt. Did you just tell her

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Speaker 1: to get it back in blood? No? No, No, what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is what I'm saying is for man or

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Speaker 1: woman put their word in we have it might as

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Speaker 1: well be in blood, so we have. I was a

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Speaker 1: young kid man and I had no clue. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: things happen in this business. Uh. And guess what. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad everything happened the way it did, if I could

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Speaker 1: be honest, because it calls me to say, Hey, who

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I am is so much bigger than what I do. Okay,

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: who I am will be bigger than all of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, hurlet Maybe this favor is actually worth um.

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: Maybe this favor is worth more than money. Um, but

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Speaker 1: make sure that you receive it. Yeah. So, but I

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: ain't saying on that. The wonderful, the masterful man, thank you,

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Speaker 1: the highest level of this song writing. Oh my god,

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell him. I don't know if I've

728
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: ever taught my favorite songwriter. Thank you, harl Lily Jr.

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: Hey man, thank you brother, Thank you man. That means

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Speaker 1: that Lily Jr. The original, Yeah, the original man. Yeah, man, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: because you know, but you really about to say, I

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Speaker 1: know what the name means Richmond, Virginia. Yeah, let me

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Speaker 1: tell you there's a place called the world, Craig, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the world. I took that name something. Yeah, facts, it's

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Speaker 1: been beautiful, man, I, and I'm still wrapping my head

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Speaker 1: around it. Time to be honest with you, bro. I

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Speaker 1: heard on I heard talk about our love the other

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Speaker 1: day and I said, man, Brandy was singing on that

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Speaker 1: jung mhmm. My sister sent me a video of a

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Speaker 1: man's choir in Richmond, Virginia singing It's all God. I said, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I can't even believe it. They're singing my song on

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Speaker 1: third Sundays across the nation, Men's Men's Quiet. Then trade

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Speaker 1: the men's choir, you gotta you gotta record. They don't

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: have many songs Man's Quiet, a few selections, and they

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: don't sing them. Same song that that that song going

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be gone. They're gonna be singing this song.

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Speaker 1: So my sister sent it to me. I said, man,

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Speaker 1: I've never engaged with it. Um, I just never engaged

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Speaker 1: with it. And so now I think it's okay to

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Speaker 1: engage with it. And you tap into a flower. Thank you, bro,

751
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Speaker 1: just because because the truth for the matter that those

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Speaker 1: that know you, yeah, we love you, and those that

753
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Speaker 1: just know your music, they love you, and they don't

754
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: even facts. They love you, and you should you should

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Speaker 1: receive that love. Yes, sir, and we're here to put

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Speaker 1: you on this platform so more people can put the

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Speaker 1: face with the name, with the sound. Thank you, with

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Speaker 1: the feeling, with the feeling. So thank you, brother, thank you,

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01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you man. I mean, listen, listen. I'm Tank.

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Speaker 1: up incredible in the dictionary as a brother sitting there

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Speaker 1: just chilling, looking really inconspicuous, not bothering nobody in his

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Speaker 1: hands like this, ya do your history and that and

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Speaker 1: that's his picture. His name is Harold Lenny Money. R

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