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Speaker 1: You were two weeks about Drive on your twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good Afternoons, Stealer Nation, It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, Quest Shooler and Matt Williamson. Finally Friday here Matthew,

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Speaker 2: we made it here Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, day before Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: Well creepy, huh is creepy? Friday the thirteenth before Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 3: The wife and I are celebrating Valentine's Day to day,

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Speaker 3: were doing an early dinner right after this. Oh nice,

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Speaker 3: But on Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: R make sure they have the lights turned on when

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Speaker 2: you walk out to the car where you having dinner?

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Speaker 2: At what time? Should what time? Should we be there

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Speaker 2: to join you?

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Speaker 3: No, our local spot, you know.

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Speaker 2: Bottle of red, bottle of white, in our Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 3: It is an Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, because I am doing a

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Speaker 2: show Saturday at the Pittsburgh International Audio Show at the

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Speaker 2: Center with our buddy Arthur Motes from noon to two.

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Speaker 2: We'll be there tomorrow. And I asked my wife, I

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Speaker 2: was like, what do you want to do. Like, I'm

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Speaker 2: tied up from noon to two, but we've got the

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Speaker 2: whole evening and everything. And she goes, you're gonna be

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Speaker 2: at the Convention Center, right, and I was like, yes.

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Speaker 2: She goes, here's what you're gonna do. She's like, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna go to pen Mac after you're done with that

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Speaker 2: show with motes. She's like, you're gonna buy pasta and

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Speaker 2: bread and cheese and all that good stuff. She's like,

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna come home and you're gonna make a

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Speaker 2: delicious We'll have some red wine, we'll have some good

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Speaker 2: pasta and sauce. And I was like, you know what, Darling,

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Speaker 2: that sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Does sound good.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a little bit cheaper too than some of

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Speaker 2: the alternatives.

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Speaker 3: So it's cheaper than I'll spend the night, So I'll

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Speaker 3: take it.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 2: We've got plenty to get to on this Friday. As always,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna continue our daily draft discussion. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: a little off season overhauls. I want to look at

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Speaker 2: the teams who didn't make the playoffs this year in

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Speaker 2: the NFL and who you think has the most work

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Speaker 2: to do in the offseason vers a you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: a Detroit Lions or Baltimore Ravens type that might be

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Speaker 2: in a little bit better of a situation. I don't

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Speaker 2: think they need a massive offseason overhaul, if I had

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Speaker 2: a guess early on that one. We're also going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Leo McCafferty here in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: He was a producer on the upcoming The Football Town

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Speaker 2: documentary for NFL Films, which is, you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: just the story of football in western Pennsylvania from high

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Speaker 2: school to college to pro just the rich, rich history

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Speaker 2: of football in this region. So we'll talk to him

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Speaker 2: in about fifteen minutes about that film. That premiere is

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Speaker 2: at the Science Center here in about a week or two,

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Speaker 2: so that'll be a lot of fun to catch up

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Speaker 2: with him and kind of what is a big showcase

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Speaker 2: for football in this region, of course, ahead of the

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft. But we start today, Matt, finally, and this

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Speaker 2: news became official yesterday, but it kind of broke right

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Speaker 2: before you and I went on air, so we want

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Speaker 2: to take a day so we had time to really

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Speaker 2: look at it and digest it and have some real

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Speaker 2: here in the Black and Gold, the Steelers twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six coaching staff has been finalized.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. So I know we're gonna examine the

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Speaker 3: size of the staff compared.

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Speaker 2: To that's the money question everybody has.

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Speaker 3: I know you're doubt in with what McCarthy's staff consisted

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Speaker 3: This isn't good or bad. But these gentlemen, at least

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Speaker 3: the coaches, I don't know the strength condition group, to

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Speaker 3: be honest. They all worked or intersected with each other

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Speaker 2: The line that one degree of separation.

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Speaker 3: There's like one degree of separation for me. So they

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Speaker 3: should all know each other and be on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Yes they should. And so let's start from the top here.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll run through the offense. I'll give the

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss the offense for a few minutes, defense for

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Speaker 2: a few minutes. That that kind of you know, general

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Speaker 3: Okay, first off, I think it's super cool that Jarry

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Speaker 3: Evans was such a great player and he's on your staff,

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Speaker 3: You know, whether he ever gets in the Hall of

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Speaker 3: There's just a meet respect, Like I don't think he

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Speaker 3: I did it, sonny boy.

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Speaker 2: You guys know I was a Hall of Fame finalist

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Speaker 3: But if every every alignment on the plane is probably

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Speaker 2: If you're someone like Zach Fraser Fraser and Mason McCormick,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Or you draft someone in the fourth round this

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Speaker 3: of player was he? Like, I guess I'll look him up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I think that's just cool. I don't

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Speaker 3: which is awesome. I was curious when they hired McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: But as I'm looking at this, because I wanted to

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Speaker 2: Is it too early? Am I assuming too much to

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Speaker 2: simple kind of delegation of Tom Arth. Your job is

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Speaker 2: they're called upon. I assume so, because as you and

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Speaker 2: I have laid out many times, there's only so many

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Speaker 3: Like that's the smallest position room of anyone, you know.

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Speaker 3: the most detailed. I think that's exactly how it is.

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Speaker 3: affair amount on the show, but not enough. It's really

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't ask the varsity coach to coach

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Speaker 3: I thought that was really encouraging. And what I was

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Speaker 3: going to say more about his role is it's it's

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Speaker 3: not the biggest secret in the world, but McCarthy has

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Speaker 3: not been the best game day coach the in the

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Speaker 3: last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: You've laid out a few year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that's not uncommon for guys that are

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Speaker 3: ballparking his second year's Dallas's head coach. They went out

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Speaker 3: And it got a lot better in Dallas. You know,

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Speaker 3: like if you look at McCarthy's and I haven't studied

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Speaker 3: Like he realizes he's not good at it, and so

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Speaker 2: Everybody has weaknesses. I don't care in what line of

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Speaker 2: field we're talking about. If you're the most successful CEO

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Speaker 2: Yeah, If you're the best football coach in the world,

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Speaker 2: in a plus right, Recognizing that, admitting that, bringing somebody

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Speaker 2: strong sign of leadership.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it looks like this guy can do two

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Speaker 3: killed two birds with one stone. Of course, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to hire someone to show up on Sundays, but

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Speaker 3: other things throughout the week, and I think he nailed it.

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Speaker 3: There must be somebody McCarthy knows and really trusts. If

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about it, Leo, this sounds pretty cool

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Speaker 4: way they are. You know, it's an industrial town, it's

437
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: a hard working town, and you know, football has kind

438
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 4: of been the thread, you know, certainly over the last

439
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 4: seventy five years or so, of what tied people back

440
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: to Pittsburgh, whether they left or whether they grew up here.

441
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: So the story is really about the people in the region,

442
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 4: who they are, how they came to be, and why

443
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 4: football is sort of this magical connection point and this

444
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 4: thing that people have so much pride in because it's

445
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: more than just a game to the people of Pittsburgh.

446
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 4: You know, if you're from here, I think you'll understand that.

447
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 4: And if you're not from here, hopefully this film will

448
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 4: make you understand that.

449
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: So Leo and then the piggyback off that if you't mind. Obviously,

450
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 3: a lot of this history has to overlap with the

451
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: steel mills and the making of steel in the city.

452
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 3: Is that a direct correlation? I mean a lot of

453
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: these great players that came out of here fathers were

454
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 3: steel mill workers. I mean, do you think that had

455
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: an obvious effect on toughness, upbringing, competitiveness, all those type

456
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: of things.

457
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely. You know, there's a there's a quote from Joe

458
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 4: Namath from years ago that, you know, when when he

459
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: was talking about growing up in Pittsburgh, he said, you know,

460
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: when you grow up, you're going to wear this uniform

461
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 4: or that uniform, And he was referring to either a

462
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: uniform that you wear in the steel mill or a

463
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 4: football uniform. So I think that that type of hard work,

464
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: that type of grit, that type of determination that was

465
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 4: forged in these steel mills and then transcended onto the

466
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 4: football field created this natural sort of alignment between the people,

467
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 4: you know, their work and their leisure activities, their entertainment,

468
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: and they were so aligned in the way that they

469
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: you know, are sort of portrayed and so and the

470
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: Steelers style of play certainly helped that. The Steelers of

471
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: the seventies, that tough, hard nosed, gritty football type of play.

472
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 4: You know, there's a natural correlation between the two. You know,

473
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 4: we were lucky enough to have US Steel be involved

474
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 4: in this and be the you know, generous sponsors of it.

475
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: I know they're celebrating their one hundred and twenty fifth

476
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: anniversary this year, So there are a lot of natural

477
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: ties between US Steel, you know, steel mills, the Steelers,

478
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 4: and the people of Pittsburgh. And you know, we hope

479
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 4: you understand that after watching the film, you sort of

480
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: feel that you know, that's that's why we are who

481
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 4: we are.

482
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: It is Leo McCafferty with us here on the drive

483
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Leo, I love what you

484
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: said about you know, people from this region, they understand

485
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: what football means. People from outside of this region, you know,

486
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: you hope that this film can teach them, can show

487
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 2: them what football means. I'm sure you've encountered this. You know,

488
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: Matt has a scouting background in football, so he's been

489
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: a lot of different places. I know you have an extensive,

490
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: impressive resume in your field. You know, my jobs and

491
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: radio stuff have taken me to different states and cities

492
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: and things like that in the past two before I

493
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: was able to get back home. You know, most places

494
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: you go to and you tell somebody you're from, they

495
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: might get back to you about regional food. Right, I'm

496
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: from Buffalo, all the wings. I'm from Baltimore, all the

497
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: crab cakes, right, Or maybe you know I'm from Florida

498
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: or California, and it's about the weather and the climate.

499
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: When you tell somebody you're from western Pennsylvania, from Pittsburgh.

500
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: It's the Steelers. That is the thing that people are

501
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: most synonymous with, you know, and I think maybe more

502
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: so than any Like, when you think about Boston, it's

503
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: not Celtics or the Red Sox that are first thing

504
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: that come to mind. When you think about New York,

505
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: it's not the Yankees that are the first thing that

506
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: come to mind. But when you think about Pittsburgh, it's

507
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: the Steel Mills, it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I have

508
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: to imagine your career kind of you know, leading you

509
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: here to this place that you get to be one

510
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: of the main voices and telling this story. It's got

511
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: to be exciting for you. And I'm sure you take

512
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: a lot of pride in it.

513
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 4: I do take a lot of pride in it. You know.

514
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: It's a story that we're proud of. You know, I'm

515
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: one of many people that are involved in this. It's

516
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 4: hardly just me, and it's hardly just one entity that

517
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: puts something like this together. There are a lot of

518
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: people that are behind this film and that made it happen.

519
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: So proud of the group that we had, Proud of

520
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 4: the film. And to your point, you know, I remember

521
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: being abroad and getting in a cab and the gentleman

522
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: that was driving me around couldn't even speak English, but

523
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, he asked me in so many words where

524
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: I was from, and I said Pittsburgh. And he said, oh,

525
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know where that is, but you

526
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: know the Steelers. He liked the Steelers, right, And I said, yeah,

527
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 4: you know, it's just amazing that you know that the

528
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 4: brand of the Steelers, you know, transcends almost anything else

529
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: when it comes to this region. You know, the guy

530
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: thought we were above New York, but he didn't even

531
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: know where we were located, but he knew about the Steelers,

532
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: and it is it's something that you know, he had

533
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: to have learned that from somebody else that he met

534
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: that's from Pittsburgh. It's it's just something that you have

535
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: this profound level of prideeness in and it's a it's

536
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: a different level. You know, if you watch a game,

537
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 4: the announcers are always like, oh, Steelers fans travel so well, No,

538
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 4: they don't travel well, just everywhere they live there and

539
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: they come out and they show their support. You know,

540
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: if you're from Pittsburgh, or if you're even sort of

541
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: tangentially tied to someone from Pittsburgh, you know you're a

542
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: Steelers fan and you're proud to tell everyone about it.

543
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: So, Leo, I was born in nineteen seventy three, and

544
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: so I don't remember early super Steelers at all. I mean, frankly,

545
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: the first football game that I remember being aware and

546
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: understanding what was happening and have a true rooting interest

547
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: was when the Steelers beat the Rams and they're four

548
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. But there was no doubt since probably the

549
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: second I came out of my mom's womb, that I

550
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: was going to be a Steelers fan. I mean, I

551
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: assume you get those kind of stories all the time.

552
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do. And that's that's also part of the

553
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: story of this film.

554
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: You know.

555
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: Basically it's from the cradle to the grave. You know,

556
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 4: you were born and you were swallowed in a terrible

557
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: towel and you you you pass away, and your tombstone,

558
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: which is this sacred thing that represents your life, it

559
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: says who you were married to, the day you were born,

560
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: the day that you were died, and in a lot

561
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: of cases around Pittsburgh that you were a Steelers fan,

562
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, and it's just this remarkable it's just this

563
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 4: remarkable level of attachment and love that you have and

564
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: to your point, that it's almost it's almost not even

565
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: a conscious choice, but it's one that that you are

566
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: very glad that you've made, and it's one that you're

567
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, you're prideful about, and one that you show

568
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: in so many different ways.

569
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: I'm sure that the film, I've obviously seen it, but

570
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: it is more than just about It's not the history

571
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: of the Steelers, it's the history of the region. So

572
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: I assume there was a time when this was the

573
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: best high school. You know, Bill Freelik and those guys, are,

574
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: you know, the best high school football in the country.

575
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: I mean it's not now, but it's still still really strong.

576
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: Pitt was a phenomenal program for a lot of years.

577
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: I would imagine there's a lot more of that in

578
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: the film as well.

579
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, yeah, this is this is way more than

580
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: just a historical look at the Steelers and their success,

581
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 4: which you could easily do a whole documentary on. But

582
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: this is this is the story of football in western Pennsylvania.

583
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: You know, as I mentioned, this screen is gigantic. I

584
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: think it's seventy one feet wide by forty one feet tall,

585
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 4: and one of the pieces of this film as we

586
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: showcase and don't quote me on this, but I think

587
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: seven hundred and sixty six players from Western Pennsylvania were

588
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: drafted into the NFL, and we use that screen to

589
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: showcase that in a really unique way. Yeah, exactly right.

590
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: And this is you know, this is just there are

591
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: so many great players that have come from Western Pennsylvania.

592
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: Pitt has a big piece in this as well. They're

593
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: such a storied historical franchise, you know, as it relates

594
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: to college football, you know, and the high school. The

595
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: high school section of this film is probably my favorite.

596
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: You know.

597
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: It's just a very emotional, very raw, very it helps

598
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: you understand why people in Pittsburgh, you know, are so

599
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: tied to this game. But yes, to your point is

600
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: this is all about the football that this region has produced.

601
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: And it's produced great Steelers teams. It's also produced great

602
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame player, great NFL players, great high school players.

603
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, we can't wait. You mentioned that screen

604
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: there at the Cayman Science Center almost kind of you

605
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: know for those unfamiliar, like think of an IMAX type

606
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: massive screen, you know, Leo, growing up, I've I've been

607
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: there a few times, like I you know, we'd take

608
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: field trips there when I was in elementary school and

609
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: you'd see some space or nature documentary. I remember when

610
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: I was, I think a junior or senior in high school,

611
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: the first Avatar movie came out. Me and my buddies

612
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: went there to see it on that big screen and

613
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: it was like mind blown. So I'm curious, was was

614
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: there any specifics that had to go into viewing this

615
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: on that screen vers just if you were watching it

616
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: on a regular TV. I know I'm not asking the

617
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: exact technical words there, but I think you're picking up

618
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: what I'm putting down, like I imagine there had to

619
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: be some specific things you had to do to make this,

620
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, fit that screen work that screen pop on

621
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: on a screen that massive.

622
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 4: Yes, you're one hundred percent right. We we basically we

623
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: had seven crews here for one weekend in October filming

624
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: everything from you know, Pop Warner Pee Wee football all

625
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: the way through the Steelers and you know the folks

626
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: at NFL Films. I'm assuming most of your listeners are

627
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: familiar with their work. They are the best at what

628
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: they do, and we brought them into this theater, you know,

629
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: before that weekend, and we showed them traditional NFL films

630
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: highlights that some of them have shot and that are

631
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: beautiful images that you've seen on your TVs and you're like, wow,

632
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: that's amazing, and why they don't work on that screen

633
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 4: because the screen is so big and so massive, and

634
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: it's the first immersive film that NFL films have done

635
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: like this, so everyone sort of had to reimagine how

636
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: they were going about shooting, directing, capturing audio for this

637
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: because it is such a different experience. And if you

638
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, if you think of a you know, a

639
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: you know, belly button to helmet super Bowl run, you know,

640
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: the John Riggins run in the Super Bowl that you

641
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: know everyone has seen a thousand times, well, on that

642
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: screen it almost makes emotion sick because it's so big.

643
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: So everything that was shot for this film was very

644
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 4: intentionally shot in a way that was digestible and in

645
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 4: a way that would make the audience feel like they

646
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: were part of it and not make them feel sick

647
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: by watching it. So, you know, it was it was

648
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: definitely a learning experience for all of us. And to

649
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: your point, you know, everyone's probably been to this theater

650
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: once or twice, but until you sit in there and

651
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Speaker 4: watch something it's not intended for that screen. You don't

652
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Speaker 4: realize what a difference it makes. And so we were

653
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Speaker 4: really thoughtful about sort of everything that we shot. And

654
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Speaker 4: you know, you can't tell the story without telling the history.

655
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Speaker 4: So some of that old footage that had to be

656
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Speaker 4: in there, you know, how do we make that work

657
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Speaker 4: on a screen that size? So hopefully we delivered on it.

658
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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a good question because it was something

659
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Speaker 4: that was very much thought out, and you know, we

660
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Speaker 4: really had to be mindful of the way we're approaching things.

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Speaker 3: So Leo, I'm half kidding, but in all your research,

662
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: did you find out what the quarterback secret sauce is

663
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Speaker 3: in Western Pa? I mean, is it something? Is it perogis?

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Speaker 3: Is it cabasi? I mean, what what is it that

665
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Speaker 3: produces Kelly Montana, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

666
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, and I'm going to give away the film,

667
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Speaker 4: but one of my favorite lines in the film is

668
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Speaker 4: from Bill Kahler. You know, he's sitting with Jerome Bettis.

669
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Speaker 4: They're sitting on the bank of the Allegheny and they're

670
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: talking football and they're talking Pittsburgh and Jerome Bettis asks

671
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: him that exact question. You know, what is it? What's

672
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: in the water here? And Bill Kaller says, you know,

673
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: it's the convergence of these three rivers JB. It's the

674
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Speaker 4: Alleghany and Thedonga Hala and it combines to meet the

675
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Speaker 4: Ohio which takes you straight to Caton, Ohio. And I

676
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: thought that was a great line.

677
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Speaker 3: And you know, not.

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Speaker 4: Something you know, necessarily logical in terms of what breeds

679
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Speaker 4: great quarterbacks from this area, but you know, I thought

680
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Speaker 4: it was. I thought it was a great line that

681
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Speaker 4: may help, may help some folks understand kind of what's

682
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Speaker 4: in the water here.

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Speaker 2: Well, if if Crafton's finest Bill Cower says it's true,

684
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Speaker 2: it must be true, folks. Cayman Science Center website is

685
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: where you get your tickets. The Football Town debuts Saturday,

686
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Speaker 2: February twenty eighth, Caymanscience Center dot org. I've got it

687
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: pulled up in front of me right here. It's right

688
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Speaker 2: on the front page. You cannot miss it. Leo McCafferty, producer,

689
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Speaker 2: director The Football Town, one of us fellow yinser. Leo,

690
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time. All the

691
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: best and have a great weekend.

692
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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

693
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Speaker 4: I hope all of you fellow yinsers enjoy the film.

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Speaker 2: Thanks partner, take care, we'll talk to you soon. There,

695
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: he goes Leo McCafferty, great stuff. That's fun, And Matt,

696
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: that's good. That got me fired up. Like I was

697
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: already excited to see this documentary. But that's gonna be

698
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: really cool.

699
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Speaker 3: St No, especially the way it's going to be presented,

700
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Speaker 3: the whole atmosphere. Like my wife does know much about football,

701
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: but I gotta take her.

702
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: Yes, it's one of those things that I think even

703
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: if you're not the biggest right right football junkie, like,

704
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: you'll still learn a lot.

705
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: About the city, even you know the history of it

706
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 3: is back.

707
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: That George Washington and all that.

708
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: That's awol.

709
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if you know there's got to be

710
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: shots at the airport right of George and Franco at

711
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Speaker 2: the airport. That's god, that's got to be in the

712
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Speaker 2: first minute or two some of those. Well, it's narrated

713
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Speaker 2: by Pat McFee, So I was gonna do. I was

714
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: going to do like a deep voice. And you arrived

715
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: at Pittsburgh International airport, and waiting for you is our

716
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: first president and the man who was responsible for the

717
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: immaculate reception. I can't wait. It's gonna be all right again.

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Speaker 2: Cayman Science Center dot Org. I've got it pulled up

719
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Speaker 2: right in front of it. It's right on the right

720
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Speaker 2: on the front page. You can't miss it. The Football

721
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Speaker 2: Town presented by US steel begins first showings Saturday, February

722
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Speaker 2: twenty eighth, Hey, that's my birthday, and commemorates the NFL

723
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: Draft in Pittsburgh, highlighting the region's unique piece or unique place,

724
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: pardon me, in football history. After Matt and I have

725
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: a chance to see that at some point in March,

726
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: I would imagine we'll definitely have to have to discuss

727
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: it further here on the show after we get a

728
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Speaker 2: chance to take it in, Matt, when we come back

729
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: on the other side, some trade target conversation for you.

730
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Speaker 2: We did wide receiver yesterday. I want to expand upon

731
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: that a little bit as we close down the first

732
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Speaker 2: hour of the show. Also one of the Steelers that

733
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Speaker 2: we've discussed in terms of his future with the team.

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Speaker 2: He's been mentioned in a couple circles of other teams

735
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Speaker 2: by as like a potential trade target for a couple

736
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Speaker 2: other franchises in the NFL. We'll get it all of

737
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Speaker 2: that to close down the first hour of the program

738
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Speaker 2: when we return on the other side, Well, Shieler, Matt Williamson,

739
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Speaker 2: it is the Drive Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

742
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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

743
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Speaker 2: Close him down on the first hour of the Drive

744
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Speaker 2: here on a Friday, and Matt, We've got an interesting

745
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: report from a credible source as it relates to kind

746
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Speaker 2: of some of our ongoing trade target conversations.

747
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah of course, former NFL scout, current NFL Network insider,

749
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Speaker 2: reporter analyst.

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Speaker 3: Also basically took my job with the Browns when I

751
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: got fired. I don't know if he like had my office,

752
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: but he got hired the next day. You know, right,

753
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: these ravens.

754
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: The sports world is six degrees of separation. If you

755
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: it's it's a very hard foot to get in the door.

756
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: But once you get that foot in the door, you're

757
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: connected to everybody.

758
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Speaker 3: He's one of the hardest guys to get at the combine.

759
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: NFL network. Guys don't usually go around radio row, but

760
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: we should try to pull him aside and have this

761
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: conversation at be awesome.

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00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Hey maybe you could maybe you can butter them up

763
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, dude, you took my job. The

764
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: least you could do is give us ten minutes of

765
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Speaker 2: your time here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt Daniel

766
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah reporting that the Steelers or just I guess reporting

767
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: might be the wrong word.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, said sounds strong, but it's saying.

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Speaker 2: He believes the Steelers could execute another trade for a

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Speaker 2: big name wide receiver, saying, and I quote, if AJ

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Speaker 2: Brown were become available, there's another wide receiver. If AJ

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Speaker 2: Brown were to become available, if there's other wide receivers

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Speaker 2: that end up on the trade market. They've already done

774
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Speaker 2: this once with DK Metcalf. They could very easily parlay

775
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Speaker 2: one of those third round picks and try to free

776
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Speaker 2: another wide receiver from somewhere else, whether that's DJ Moore

777
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Speaker 2: whoever else might pop up on the trade market. They

778
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Speaker 2: have that luxury as well to be able to pull

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Speaker 2: off a trade.

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Speaker 3: End quote interesting stuff. And we went in this pretty

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Speaker 3: heavily yesterday, right, I mean, we went through every team,

782
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Speaker 3: and we just pulled up names and all those things,

783
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Speaker 3: and I think we mentioned I think it would be

784
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Speaker 3: a buyer's mark. I think some receivers are gonna move,

785
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Speaker 3: going to move, I always tyreek. I mean there's some

786
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: that are definitely gonna move, and it's a position that

787
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: is pretty fluid around the league. I do think it'll

788
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: be somewhat of a buyer's market, you know. I don't

789
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Speaker 3: think that there'll be a ton of teams in the

790
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Speaker 3: you know, buying for these. It's such a good receiver

791
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: draft you can fall back on that. And that doesn't

792
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: mean the Steelers still wouldn't or shouldn't do that. I mean, hypothetical,

793
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Speaker 3: you trade a third round pick for DJ Moore or

794
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Speaker 3: fourth round pick for DJ Moore. I still might use

795
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Speaker 3: a second on another guy too. Yeah, I mean I

796
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: still want to dip my toe in this receiver market.

797
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: Seventeen the Dane's top one hundred were wide outs. I

798
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Speaker 3: want one of them. If not to if you don't

799
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Speaker 3: make the trade, I still want one of them. But

800
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Speaker 3: maybe you take Lance, you know, trade Lance's brother in

801
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: the third round as opposed to the first round guy or.

802
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: Whatever, Mali in the second round.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, in a lesson you get

804
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: or a developmental guy, there's more upside, but you don't

805
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: need to play this second or something like that. But

806
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: not every team has the extra thirds or in that neighborhood.

807
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: We're not about giving up first round picks. I'm not

808
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Speaker 3: giving him a first round pick for any of these guys,

809
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Speaker 3: including a J. Brown, but an extra third not We're

810
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Speaker 3: having a conversation. But the Steelers have the draft picks

811
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Speaker 3: as well as the cap room to pull off a

812
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: Metcalf like trade. Again, if they.

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Speaker 2: Round I mean, yeah, that can get you in the

814
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Speaker 2: wide receiver market a real lot, a real viable candidate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean like Amari Cooper and his prime

816
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: went for a third on George Pickens. Yeah, exactly exactly.

817
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: You could get that caliber player. So it's it's another

818
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: avenue to explore, and you're going to bring in three

819
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Speaker 3: of them because history shows and I think it could

820
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Speaker 3: be really true with this group. Free agent receivers get

821
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Speaker 3: overpaid because you know, like when oh, Alex Peerce, you

822
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Speaker 3: know he's underrated, blah blah blah. What we said last

823
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Speaker 3: week when we previewed the wide receivers in free agency,

824
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Speaker 3: is these underrated guys they're about to become overrated poses Yeah, right,

825
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: right right. I mean it's like they're good players, but

826
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Speaker 3: the guys that hit the market aren't that special. They're

827
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: good players, they're serviceable twos and threes, and people pay

828
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: them like a one or whatever.

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Speaker 2: They're b plus students getting valedictorian money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's not. Free agency in general usually doesn't

831
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Speaker 3: pay off, and I think you'll pay off less and

832
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: less as this cap goes up because not as many

833
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: good players hit the market. But free agent receivers in

834
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: general hasn't been a real fruitful place to fish. So

835
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Speaker 3: if you can pull off a trade and draft one

836
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: a lot better without a massive investment.

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Speaker 2: If you're asking me to lay out the ideal scenario,

838
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: and this is obviously subject subject to change, could change

839
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Speaker 2: next week, could change the combine, could change in the

840
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Speaker 2: middle of March. With free agencies. Well, but as we

841
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: sit here today, if you told me you can part

842
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: from one of those three round one of those three

843
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: third round draft picks and get a quality, starting, capable

844
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Speaker 2: NFL wide.

845
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Speaker 3: Receiver, yeah, you know what you're buying.

846
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: You can get a guy that you trust to be

847
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: able to have a real impact as a rookie in

848
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: the second or third round of the draft. So two

849
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: guys that you add to the wide receiver room that

850
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: you are supremely confident are going to put their hand

851
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: in that pile on Day one, yeah, yeah, and then

852
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: another one late in the back end who might give

853
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: you a little something this year would be a bonus,

854
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: but you want to develop and could be a big

855
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: part of this equation a year from me.

856
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Speaker 3: And I look at that guy, maybe he's your punt returner. Yeah,

857
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: he's your kickoff returner or something like that too.

858
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: And then your first round pick is wide open to

859
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: BPA to take a quarterback that you want to stash

860
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: for a year in develop, right, that would be a.

861
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Speaker 3: Down and maybe get another future for I mean whatever,

862
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: whatever you decide to do. But it'd be nice if

863
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: they take a receiver twenty one. I totally get ituse

864
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: I think they'll be really good ones there. But this

865
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: depth is really intriguing and they don't want to ignore that.

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Speaker 3: But it would be nice to have that first round

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Speaker 3: pick not pigeonholed for something. Absolutely can't get something done

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Speaker 3: with Pia. Then you get first round corner or you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, or man, they don't really need

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Speaker 3: a defensive tackle, but defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: Number two on our big board, right twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's still why they're playing Day two picks

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Speaker 3: to fill in the gaps.

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Speaker 2: I would love that scenario where it's better business. You

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Speaker 2: still have your second round pick, you still have two

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Speaker 2: third round picks to use on a wide receiver one

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Speaker 2: of those three. Yeah, and then your first round you

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00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: could go best player available, you could go quarterback development.

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Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want to do. And that's

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Speaker 2: the that.

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Speaker 3: Also option sends a message if Rogers is a quarterback

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00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: in particular, that hey, we're we're still trying to win now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is straight for AJ Brown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly right. If you go out and get an

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Speaker 2: AJ Brown or even a DJ Moore, you you are

886
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: clearly trying to win right now. Yeah, there's no denying that.

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Speaker 2: So that was interesting.

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Speaker 3: And maybe with a first round quarterback sitting there doing nothing,

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Speaker 3: you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And again that's not you know, someone who kind of

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Speaker 2: does he's radio stuff. He would Daniel Jeremiah would not

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Speaker 2: be bringing that up on a show on a podcast,

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Speaker 2: right if he did not think there was real smoke

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Speaker 2: to that fire.

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Speaker 3: Like we'll talk a lot about DJ in draft season

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Speaker 3: because he does his top fifty and he does mocks.

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Speaker 3: And something down I used talked about a lot was

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Speaker 3: he does his top fifty with his eyes. It's what

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Speaker 3: he watches. It's his evaluations who the fifty best prospects

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Speaker 3: are in the country. He does his mock with his ears.

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Speaker 3: What people are telling because he's doubted. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's works NFL network and he was in the league

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Speaker 3: a pretty long time, so people tell him things.

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Speaker 2: Hour in the Books, another hour to Goo. Hour number two.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to some of your tweets, we'll get into

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Speaker 2: more draft conversation, and we'll talk about when we return

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Speaker 2: the eighteen teams that did not make the playoffs this

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Speaker 2: year in the NFL, who needs a real overhaul, who

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Speaker 2: just needs a little little polish, little tinkering and they're

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Speaker 2: good to go. We'll discuss that when we return Hour

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Speaker 2: number two. On the other side, Euler Williamson, it's the

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