1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy D. Wilson 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We had our second ever installment 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: of eponymous diseases this week, on lime disease, West Nile virus, 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I had a long there's 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: a longer list of tick and insect born diseases that 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: are eponymous in some way, and I didn't do this 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: on purpose, but I wound up choosing three that are 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: personally relevant to me because I grew up in North Carolina, 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: one of the states where Rocky Mountain spotted fever is 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: the most prevalent. I now live in Massachusetts, where there's 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: a lot of lime disease. And also every year we 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: start having reports of West Noile virus, including detections of birds. 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: We as a society check where West now happened is 15 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: happening by testing birds in a lot of cases. But 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: then we also have had cases in humans the last 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: few years. And I think I already said lime disease 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: hilariously as I was doing the lime research and I 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: got to the part about how they're the advocacy of 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: these two moms for their families led to a study 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: that was carried out in Old Lime, Lime and East Hatham, Connecticut. 22 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: That is the neighborhood where a number of people I 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: know live and including people who live specifically in East HadAM. 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: And I went to visit them in East HadAM last 25 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: winter and my GPS directions were wrong, and the GPS 26 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: directions led me down a road at vehicle traffic should 27 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: not have been on. After some conversations about this over 28 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: the weekend, I have decided that it might have been 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: intended as a snowmobile trail because there were moguls on it. 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't understand why moguls would 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: be here, but if it's a snowmobile trail or maybe 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: like a like a like a mountain biking trail, like 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: that would make a lot more sense. A car should 34 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: not have been on it. But when I got to 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: the part about how there were these clusters of lime 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: disease on specific roads, I was like, you know what 37 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: road I've been on? That seems like a road where 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: people could have gotten a lot of lime disease that road. 39 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: When I tried to drive to East Atham, from Massachusetts. 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: It was bad enough that I filed reports with Google 41 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: about the directions being incorrect and how they should not 42 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: be sending cars down that road. Yeah. I try to 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: respect the place of all forms of life in the ecosys, 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: but I am not a fan of mosquitoes or ticks. 45 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: I told you when we started this, I had disease Helarty, 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: and I sort of do. One is just an offhander 47 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: that our mutual friend that I love very dearly, do 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, she had wes Nile though, And it was 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: like so cavalier because she had been really really sick 50 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: for a while and we used too many moons ago 51 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: when we were still in our apartment. Every Friday night 52 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: we would have people over to just do crafty things. 53 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: And she had been sick for a while and she 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: had missed a couple and she kept going to the 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: doctor and they couldn't figure out what was going on. 56 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: And I had, you know, brought stuff over to her 57 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: house for her to eat and whatnot, and we were 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: trying to be really careful because we didn't know what 59 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: she had and if it was contagious, right, And then 60 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: she finally showed up a Kraft night one night and 61 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: was like, apparently I just have wes Nile and there's 62 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: nothing they can do for it. Oh she was like, 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: it's literally like the protocol that you would have for 64 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: like a colder flu of like lwid's electrolytes rests. She's fine. Now, 65 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: that was years and years ago. Yeah. The truly funny one, okay, 66 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: is how I came to be perceived by my beloved's 67 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: family early in our marriage, because, as listeners probably know, 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: we got married very quickly, so like the first several 69 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: years of our marriage was kind of like us constantly 70 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: meeting each other's people in their lives and like being like, 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: who is this person you married? And we had gone 72 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: to visit his family in the fairly rural area and 73 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: we were outside at one point and I looked down 74 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: and there with a tick on me, and I was 75 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: like God, and I freaked down, slapped it off, and 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I want to get lyme disease. And 77 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: that is how I came to be known as Brian's 78 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: pressy city wife. Oh goodness, wow, it almost strikes me 79 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: as so funny to tell people that I'm Brian's prissy 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: cityway literally that phrase, because I don't because I'm especially prissy, no, 81 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: and I you know, I feel like not going to 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: tick off you, especially before. Very reasonable to me. Yeah, 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: when I was a child growing up in North Carolina, 84 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: I did not know any of these this history about 85 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain spotted fever. It was weird to me that 86 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: my mom was worried about Rocky Mountain spotted fever because 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: I understood that the Rocky Mountains were far away from 88 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: where we lived, right and I was so like as 89 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: a kid, I sort of thought that my mom was 90 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: just being anxious about things, which my mom was anxious. 91 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: But anytime she pulled a tick off of me or 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: my brother, which did happen relatively often, because you know, 93 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: we lived in the country, we were outside a lot, 94 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: and we also had a dog, And whenever she pulled 95 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: a tick off of one of us, she would write 96 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: the date on the calendars smart and so that if 97 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: we developed weird symptoms, she would have the tick bite 98 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: noted on the calendar, which is incredibly smart. My mom 99 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: extremely smart about a lot of disease prevention things in 100 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: our lives. I to my knowledge, yeah, I don't think 101 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: I ever I ever had any kind of like illness 102 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: after a tick bite that led to any concerns about 103 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I did, however, when I was 104 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: in drum Corps and we were practicing outside, you know, 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: on an athletic field all day long. Not really in 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: tall grass or anything like that, but like, we were 107 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: outside all day long for a lot of the day. 108 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: My roommate, one of my roommates in the drum corps 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: that I was in over the summer, got Rocky Mountain 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: spotted fever and she had to quit because she was 111 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: She needed to be treated and was It's an incredibly 112 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: physically demanding thing to be in a drum corp. She 113 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: was not well enough to do it. And I remember 114 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: that staff being like, yeah, so she has Rocky Mountain 115 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: spotted fever, she has to quit. She probably got it here, 116 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: so check yourself for tics. This is why I'm an 117 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: indoor baby. I can't remember if I've talked about this 118 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: in the show before. I might have when we've talked 119 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: about sunscreen before. I especially if I have a brief 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: outing to make into the sunlight. I have very fair skin. 121 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: It is best for me to wear sunblock. I hate 122 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: putting it on and then feeling like sunblock all day, 123 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and so I started wearing clothing that is sun protective clothing, 124 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: and that has the double the additional effect of making 125 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: it a little harder for ticks and mosquitoes to get 126 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: at you. Uh yeah, so yeah, when I mowed the lawn, 127 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: I look like a crazy Victorian clown. I have so 128 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: many layers of clothing going all the way down all 129 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: of my limbs. I don't care that it's hot out 130 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and I'm turning into some sort of human soup inside. 131 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't want anything biting me. I don't know. I also, 132 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: I also have a bugnet that goes over my hat 133 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of time like it is a little 134 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: annoying to have on. So I kind of wait until 135 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I get to where I'm hiking and see what the 136 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: what the bug situation is, and if it's very buggy, 137 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: I will put the bug net over my hat to 138 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: avoid any insect bites around my face and neck and 139 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: just having them swarming my face all the time. I 140 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: hate that. Do not enjoyed No. We mentioned in the 141 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: episode that there is there are clinical trials going on 142 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: for a lime vaccine. Yeah, I signed up to be 143 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: part of that trial. Nice I got through the initial 144 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: phone screening part, and at that point the close places 145 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: to me to do the actual like going blood work, 146 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: get the you know all of that. They were far 147 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: from me and it was going to be like an 148 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: hour to an hour and a half to get to 149 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: the place, and that was something that it was going 150 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: to need to be like go back repeatedly for the 151 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: ongoing study. And they were in planning to set up 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: a site that was going to be I think in 153 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: walking distance for me, and I was like, that would 154 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: be amazing. And eventually they did not wind up doing that, 155 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: so I did not wind up being part of that study. 156 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: But I think that was the first time that I 157 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: have signed up to try to be a clinical in 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: a clinical trial of something because yes, I would like 159 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: to have a vaccine for lime disease. Yeah, even if 160 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: it were a seventy five percent effective vaccine, that's actually 161 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: pretty good. People think about the twenty five percent, but 162 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: not so much about the seventy five percent is a lot, 163 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: especially if you're combining it with other strategies to lower 164 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: your risk of being bitten by ticks. Yeah, for sure. 165 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: I have a friend whose grandfather is a hunter and 166 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: had not been feeling well and finally went to the 167 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: doctor and I don't know what all he was diagnosed with, 168 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: but they described him as having a constellation of tickborn illnesses. 169 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: See this is my nightmare. Yeah, because if you're I mean, 170 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: if you're a situation, a lifestyle, a place, whatever, that 171 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: you are likely going to be bitten by ticks. It's 172 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: very easy to get more than one tick born illness 173 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: that way. I think the last thing that I had 174 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: on my list of things to talk about behind the 175 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: scenes is just banned. So many people who were researching 176 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: these vector born diseases before there were treatments for them, 177 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: got the diseases and die. Yeah, so many. Yeah, I 178 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: was not quite prepared for the number as I was 179 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: working on the episode want me to land us on 180 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: a silly note, Yeah, let's do that. Didn't you know 181 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: that there's a reference to dangay fever in Star Wars No. 182 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: In the Force Awakens in Ma's Kanada's Castle where all 183 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: the aliens are I e always my favorite scene in 184 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: every Star Wars film, Give Me the Bar Full of Aliens. 185 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: There are three very mosquito looking characters sitting at a 186 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: table together and they are officially the Danae sisters. That's funny. 187 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: I love them so much. I have another funny thing 188 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: that I can end on that is not about any 189 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: of these particular not anything that was mentioned in the episode, 190 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: but I I went to do a travel medicine visit 191 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: and in preparation for our trip to Morocco, and the 192 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: doctor was telling me about how try to avoid being 193 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: bitten by insects same as here, because there are I 194 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: can't if she said sandflies or sand fleas, but it 195 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: is a biting insect. And she's like, if you have 196 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: like a sore that doesn't seem to be getting better 197 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: and you're back in the United States, if you need 198 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: to go to the doctor, like you really, you're gonna 199 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: need to mention your travel history because there is something 200 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you can get called Leishmania. And my face kind of 201 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: lit up a little bit, and she was like, Oh, 202 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: are you a clinician, And I said no, I'm just 203 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: interested in things because I have heard of what I 204 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: had heard it referenced as Leischmaniasis as a thing that 205 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: was transmitted by insect bites and can lead to a 206 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: range of different disease presentations, including one that is visceral leishmaniasis, 207 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: which is very bad. But the fact that the doctor's 208 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: immediate assumption was that maybe I was a clinician and 209 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: not just a person who is fascinated by illnesses. It 210 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: made me laugh a little bit. I mean, you like, doctor, 211 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: have you heard of nerds? It's a very common condition 212 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: if I want to Yeah, yeah, we're around. We talked 213 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: about Alice Kitler this week. Really that story becomes about 214 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Richard L. Dread more than her. Yeah, and also about 215 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: Petronilla even more than her, and kill Kenny. Okay, first 216 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: of all, can I just tell you the Kitler in 217 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: is now on my bucket list of places I want 218 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: to go visit because yeah, really charming. It's Their website 219 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: talks about like the way that building has gone through 220 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: many changes over the years and how it got updated. 221 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: And then I think the person that owns it now 222 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: has had it since I'm going by memory, so I 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: could be wrong. Nineteen eighty six and they renovated it 224 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: by taking it back to the stone walls that it 225 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: had originally. They have been covered over with like paneling 226 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. They have they have kind of refurbished it 227 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: in a state closer to its original but with modern 228 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: conveniences like plumbing and whatnot and electricity. But it looks 229 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: really darling and I absolutely want to go there. They also, 230 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, will do events there. So part of me 231 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: is like, how can I host a party and kill 232 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Kenny and how many people will come? Three? Cool? I 233 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: love it. I have many feelings about William's confession, in particular, Yeah, 234 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: because this whole story really becomes la Dred gets shut 235 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: down and he keeps going, and then the next person 236 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: higher up goes, dude, you got to drop this, and 237 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: he goes no, and keeps going, and then it keeps happening, 238 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: and so finally when they get to this moment where William, 239 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: who has shown up in a full suit of armor, confesses, 240 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: I believe in my soul that was just like, fine, 241 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: give the baby his bottle. I did it. I did it, 242 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Like I really think it is in no way him 243 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: going You're right, I am a heretic. I have been 244 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: harboring witches because he didn't initially do any of the 245 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: things that he was supposed to do as his punishment. 246 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: I really think it was just like, yes, yes, Bishop Ledred, 247 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: You're so right. I really am a heretic. Great, great, great, great, great, 248 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: Can we move on? I really think that's what it was. 249 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Put William Outlaw on my list of people to visit 250 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: in our time machine, because yeah, were you just trying 251 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: to placate this dude who just could not deal with 252 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: himself or anyone else. That's my theory. It is interesting 253 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: to mean this and the next episode will do really 254 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: or the next one that I have been working on, 255 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it will fall right after this 256 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: one in the order, but they really do establish a 257 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: lot how much the fervor around witchcraft in Europe that 258 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: led to the witch trials all around the Western world 259 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: really start in the Avignon papacy. Oh yeah, that's for they, 260 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: And it really does seem like it is more than 261 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: any actual concern about people's eternal souls or their bodies 262 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: being possessed. Is about a political tool for power. Yeah, 263 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: and that's I mean, we've always known that that's part 264 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: of it. But when you look at like how this, 265 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you make the Charlie Day chart the Orkshop, 266 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: all of the strings go back to the Avignon papacy. 267 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: It seems. Yeah, we have a number of episodes that 268 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: have been about which trials and which hunters and which 269 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: panics and so many of them, like there are other 270 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: social and political issues at play, and a lot of 271 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: times some other kind of major unrest, yes, like some 272 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: other upheaval underlying all of it. One of the things 273 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: that I'm working on now that I barely have started on, 274 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I think is going to have some similar themes. We're 275 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: also going to talk about this a lot in the 276 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: next one that I'm working with. Yeah, yeah, it's one 277 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: of the running thing things of like all of the 278 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: witch panics and the yeah, all of that. I also 279 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: just want to say how happy I am that it's October. Yeah, listen, 280 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: I need Halloween this year. I needed I know, Dan, 281 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: I need. It's so bad. I've been so crabby, so 282 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: angry all the time. And this will be just me 283 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: personally sharing about my life. So I think I mentioned 284 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: a while back that for a while, because of av 285 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and flu, people were being advised not to feed their 286 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: backyard flocks, right, which that has been rolled back because 287 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: it's more like if you have waterfowl. But I just 288 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: because I've been so busy, have not picked up my 289 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: usual bird feeding cycle that I would normally do every day, 290 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: and as a consequence, that means that this year we 291 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: have so many juro spiders. I love it. Oh, it's 292 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: like they prey decorated for me. My husband, bless him, 293 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: does not love it, but he's being a very good 294 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: sport about that. Yeah, but I love them so much, 295 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: and I name them the ones that live around our yard, 296 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: at least the ones that are close to the house 297 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: that I can identify in their separate locales, because like, 298 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: if you look up, we have some very tall trees 299 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: on the side and back of our house, and if 300 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: you look up, it is like a New York high 301 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: rise in there. There's so many spiders living in there. Yeah, hundreds, 302 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: probably thousands. I can't name them all. But I do 303 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: have Julia that hangs out in the windows by our 304 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: kitchen on our deck. Yeah, and she's getting bigger and bigger, 305 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: and there has become this hilarious thing that happens where 306 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: the cat in our house is these days. That is 307 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: the most like me in behavior. Sits on the cat 308 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: tree and watches that spider. Old, you really are a 309 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: chip off the old block. I was on vacation last 310 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: week and where we were staying is surrounded by woods. 311 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: You have to drive for a little bit before you 312 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: get to something that you could call a town. And 313 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: there was a beautiful I didn't look closely enough. I 314 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: missed my opportunity. There was a beautiful some kind of 315 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: orb weaver that had made a web on the path 316 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: out to like a fire pit that's behind the house. 317 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Somebody had pointed it out, and I was like, Oh, 318 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: that's I'm going to come look. I'm like, I'm look 319 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: at it tomorrow. And I'm not sure if we just 320 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: created a lot more traffic back and forth across that 321 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: path and the spider was like no thanks, or if 322 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: perhaps nature happened and a bird a bird had a meal. 323 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Either way, or we were no longer there so I 324 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: didn't get to get a closer look figure out exactly 325 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: what kind of spider it was. Yeah, yeah, birds. We 326 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: started feeding the birds on the deck to keep the 327 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: spider population down for Brian's peace of mind. Sure doesn't 328 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: enjoy the spiders, but like I said, I'm slowly, I'm 329 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: slowly giving him immersion immunity I can, because they really 330 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: are just everywhere around the house right now, which is fine. Yeah. 331 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: I make little videos of them when I go out 332 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: to work in the yard or more the lawn and 333 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: web connects to something on the ground. I don't mow 334 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: in that spot, so they're weird little outcroppings of the 335 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: unmowed area in our yard that are yeahs are anchored. 336 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: When I lived in the Atlanta area, my yard also 337 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: had a lot of spiders. But the lot of spiders 338 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: I had were black widows, Yeah, which are very beautiful. 339 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: But we used to get a lot more of those, 340 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: and we just they have stopped happening. I think they 341 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: have largely gotten eaten by a growing lizard population. Okay, 342 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, and I don't worry so much 343 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: about black widows for me because they're unlikely to hurt 344 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: most humans. Yeah, I was not afraid of them, but 345 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: there were a lot. Yeah, but they can, just because 346 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: of proportions of body weight, be a little more of 347 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: a concern for cats. So I don't want them in 348 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: the house. Sure, but yeah, yeah, I don't think I 349 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: ever saw one at the house. And I became aware 350 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: that this was a problem. I had broken my leg 351 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and being a person who can't ask for help, all 352 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: of my plants and whatnot died because I could not 353 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: get out there to take care of them. And I 354 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: was doing clean up on all of my sad plants 355 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: and I picked up I had this little planter that 356 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: was was shaped kind of like a wagon and it 357 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: had multiple potted plants and it had a pot that 358 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: I had intended to plant something in but that had 359 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: not happened. And I picked it up and it was 360 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: full of like leafy debris, kind of spider webby looking 361 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: stuff and I was like, oh, this is like a 362 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: great place for a black widow spider. Ha ha ha. 363 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: And I dumped it out onto the ground and there 364 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: was a black widow spider and I was like, oh, hi, 365 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: I just like, girl, you just messed up my house. 366 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: There were a lot of them. I never I did 367 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: not have problems really with bugs inside the house. I 368 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: had somebody come and treat the house quarterly, and he 369 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: commented and said in a very had a lovely accent 370 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: that I don't want to try to replicate. But he 371 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: just came back in one day and said, Ms. Wilson, 372 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: you have a lot of spiders. I was like, yeah, 373 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know. See we have a quarterly bug 374 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: person to who I'm al was like, you're not going 375 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: to hurt the spiders, right, He says that it will 376 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: not hurt. No, I'm sure some spiders get hurt by 377 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: the whole process. But we try, we try, we try. Yeah, 378 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: our current spider load in the house is all in 379 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: the basement, and I did not realize quite how spidery 380 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: the basement had gotten until we had somebody come do 381 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: a plumbing thing and I was gesturing. I was like, 382 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: then that's the pipe where the Oh sorry, there is 383 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: so much spider web here. I'm I'm the person who's like, 384 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: please don't hurt that spider. Don't I'm like, caution tape 385 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: around the spot. Please don't mess with the spiders when 386 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: you come to that. Yeah, I'm sure I'm on a 387 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: list somewhere of like every service person that might need 388 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: to come to our house where they're like, this is 389 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: the craziest spider lady. Yeah, you don't like spiders, do 390 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: not take this job in any case. But it's spider 391 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: season and I'm happy about it because I really need 392 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: the joy of beautiful spiders. If you do not like spiders, 393 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that we've had so much a brilliant spider talk, 394 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: but I really do love them. I think they're so elegant, 395 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: and they're such architects, and they're just they're high achievers 396 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: and they're beautiful. So apologies if that's not your jam. 397 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: But now that it's Halloween season, I hope all of 398 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: us who love Halloween can grasp a little extra joy 399 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: right now. I think everybody needs some. And if you're 400 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: not a Halloween person, I'm sorry, but I hope whatever 401 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: brings you joy is abundant in your life, because you 402 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: deserve joy too. We will be right back here tomorrow 403 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: with a classic episode, and then on Monday we're going 404 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: to have something brand new and it's still Halloween season. 405 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 406 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 407 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.