1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? It's me, your boy or that dude. 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and Out podcast brought to you Live 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: by Colin Cowards Podcast Network, and we are in the 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: full swing of the off season, and I was thinking 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: about doing a couple of things a little different today. Uh. 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: I want to kind of start off the show by 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: just introducing myself because I know there's just a lot 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: of people that listen that like, who the hell is 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: this guy? They just might not know me if you 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: don't follow me on social media. Uh at John Middlecoff. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Easiest way, I always say this easiest way to get 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: ahold of me. It's easier than calling me. If you 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: tweet at me Instagram, slide up into my d M 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: s and at the end of the show or the 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: last segment of every one of these podcasts, I do 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: a middle Cooff mail bag and it's all from questions 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: from from my dup. You know what I'm gonna start 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: doing is you can tweet me stuff too. If you 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: have a Twitter Middlecoff mail back question, you can do 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: it that way as well, and I'll kind of keep 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: tabs on them and uh and answer questions. The easiest 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: way though, was definitely in my d MS on Instagram 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff and I answer those questions, but I 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: know the show's really you know, a lot more people 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: have started listening in the last obviously during football season 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: than probably did eight months ago when this thing started, 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: or hell, it started about a year ago. I think 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: my first shows were at the at the Combine and 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: just some of you people are gonna know me, so 30 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to introduce myself. You know, some thoughts on 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: the NBA trade deadline, and I think one of the 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: biggest differences between the NBA and the NFL. Uh, it's 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: kind of kind of fascinating because I think as we've 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: seen with the cap explode in the NFL, there has 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: been a lot of movement, right, I mean, players move 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: major trades, and I think we're gonna continue to see 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: that hopefully this offseason. Trust me, I got my fingers crossed. Uh, 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: you know a lot of rates, specifically trades because a 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of times, unlike the nb A, really good players 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: don't hit free agency in the NFL. And then you know, 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: the Combine list came out today. I actually just saw 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: a good stat by Albert Brier. He said the big 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: twelve had twelve defensive players invited to the NFL combine. 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: That's the entire conference, Oklahoma, Texas. I mean, if you're 45 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: listening to this, you probably know football. You know who's 46 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve. Clemson had nine. Uh So that's 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: a pretty telling stat very indicative, uh in symbolica of 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: the conference. And also, I mean nine players on defense 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: from one school. That's there's a reason Clemson's won two 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: national titles in three years. To dive into Kyler Murray 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the Middlecoff mail back. But 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to start with introducing myself. Uh. Many 53 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: people know I'm John Middlecoff. That's me into some of 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: my background. You know how I got here, Born and 55 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: raising Davis. Uh. You know it's the home of U. C. Davis. 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: It's it's where my my dad went to school. He 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: was a farmer. Uh. My mom two parent household. Uh 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: talking like I'm giving a scouting report of myself. Mom 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: also worked my entire life, so both both parents work, 60 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: working class family. Uh. Spent eighteen years there. Where Davis 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: is relative to where I'm sitting right now, I'm in 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: Walnut Creek suburb of the Bay Area, probably fift twenty 63 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: minutes away from downtown Oakland, thirty minutes no traffic hashtag 64 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: there's never no traffic away from downtown San Francisco. Uh. 65 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: So I spent most of my time in Davis. It's, 66 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a hippie liberal town like Berkeley 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: because it's a has the U C. System, But there 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of normal people there too. Uh And 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: I'd say that was my family, just a working class family. Uh. 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Then I went to school at cal Poly, and I 71 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: guess I I wasn't very mature leaving high school. I 72 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: really had no clue that I wanted to do. My 73 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: life revolved around sports my entire life, and then once 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: you hit a certain point, I can't play anymore. Played 75 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: football in high school, played golf in high school. I 76 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be able to do that in college. So 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'll go to school and get a 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: business degree. And my first year I had an internship 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: at Morgan Stanley. It was through a guy actually like 80 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: my mom went to high school with. It was like, 81 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a day trader. And then by about 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: week three, I'm like this is terrible. There's no way 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: I can do this. So then from there I pretty 84 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: much transitioned. Um my media career actually sneaky kind of 85 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: took off like a year later. After screwing around probably 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty years old, I had I got an 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: article in the school newspaper. It's called the Mustang Daily. 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Cal Poly Mustangs and a buddy of mine that lived 89 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: with Aaron Warshowski, the biggest Clipper fan I know. We 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: named it Johnny in the Box. So for like three 91 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: years I was on the five year program. So like 92 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: my third, fourth and fifth year, I had an article 93 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: I think it was like every Thursday in the Mustang Daily, 94 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, God, I like this. It was 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: like an opinion column. I I was a big Bill 96 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Simmons guy, and I tried to kind of copy him. 97 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: That's what I kind of did. And then my senior 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: year I got a job again. Senior year, fifth year 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: of cal Poly got like an internship, kind of unpaid 100 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: to work for the cam and see Chiefs, and I 101 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: went out to Kansas City for like my fall quarter. 102 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: I got credit for it, and I worked in the 103 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: business office, and then at night I was like wanted 104 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: to get into football. So bad. I started talking to 105 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: some of the guys on her Edwards staff and they said, well, 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: you can help us out at night. And I kind 107 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: of did that for a couple of you know, probably 108 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: like a month or two, and just kind of got 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: to see what was going on. And I was like, 110 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: this is awesome. Now. I didn't really get to do anything, 111 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: but just kind of felt like I was a part 112 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: of it. And again it was like it's hard to 113 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: even explain. I can't even tell you what they had 114 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: me do. It was like print stuff. I mean, it 115 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: was so stupid and the team was so terrible. And 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: then we ended up, Uh, my internship ended. I went 117 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: back to cal Poly. I started getting more involved with 118 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: the cal Poly football program. I started working in recruiting, 119 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: because again I was going all in on this profession. 120 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily know what I wanted to do, Like 121 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: did I want to be a GM, did I want 122 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: to be a media member. I was still writing my 123 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: football column. It was even a football column. It's just 124 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: a sports column every week. And I don't know where 125 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: I was going, you know, just kind of see what 126 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: would happen. And then my cousin had played football at 127 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: Fresno State. So one time, I think I was there 128 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: visiting him, and I was walking through the football offices 129 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: and I started talking to the director of football operations. 130 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: And in football there at any at any Power five 131 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: or any major program nowadays, and I would count the 132 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: Mountain weston that you have a graduate assistant on offense 133 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and on defense for those of you know, like in 134 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: the NFL, they're basically the quality control guy. The differences 135 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: in college, they don't pay you. The way they pay 136 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: you is you're on scholarship. So if you're a quality 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: control guy or excuse me, a graduate assistant at Stanford, 138 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: at Fresno State, at Alabama, the way they pay you 139 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: is you go to graduate school, you're on scholarship, and 140 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: you just basically get the same thing a player gets. 141 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: You get a monthly stipend, you get you know, uh, 142 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: you basically do everything except you coach or work in 143 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: recruiting and they play. But you are compensated the same way. 144 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: It's obviously it's different. I mean, you just worked the 145 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: craziest hours by far of the coaching staff. For me 146 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: at Fresno State, I got to work in recruiting and 147 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I did that for two years and it turns out 148 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: they had. This was back when Pat Hill ran the program, 149 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and he was obviously worked for Bill Belichick, very tight 150 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: into the NFL, had a lot of NFL players. I 151 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: did that for two years. When I first got Derek 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: Carr had already been committed. But over that period of time, 153 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: UH we had Ryan Matthews on the team. So my 154 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: second year, every every major scout, a bunch of general managers, 155 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: a lot of heavy hitters were coming through the program 156 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: in the fault because Ryan Matthews was clearly gonna be 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: a top guy. And then he goes to Combine, he 158 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: blows up. It's clear he's gonna be a first rounder, 159 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: and everyone's coming through. And I realized over that period 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: of time, you know, and it started before then, that 161 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to get involved in the NFL. 162 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I've been a big football fan, and it was just 163 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: it's not one of those things like I'd grown up 164 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: dreaming of. It was just one of those things that 165 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: kind of happened. And Coach Hill was really tight with 166 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, my my UH graduate assistant. Ship was kind 167 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: of coming to an end. He made a phone call 168 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: and I got an interview and they had like an 169 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: internship slash basically the lowest guy on the totem pole. 170 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: So I flew back there to interview. I had to 171 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: pay for my own flight. Shows you you know where 172 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: that position is on the totem pole. And I remember 173 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: walking into Philadelphia. I've never been to Philadelphia in my life. 174 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I spent my entire life either in Davis or San 175 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: Louis Obispo, and a couple of months in Kansas City. 176 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: But I was a California guy. So I go into 177 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: Philly pretty intimidating. Walk into the office and you sit 178 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: down at the cafeteria and they're like three other dudes. 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: They're also interviewing for the same spot. I'm like, damn, 180 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL. Interviewed for the job, it was 181 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: basically just beat. You know, you just introduce yourself and 182 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: spend time with different people like Lewis Riddick. The irony 183 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: is now you're gonna know all these people. Louis Riddeck, 184 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, and Brett Beach. Those were the three guys 185 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: that I mainly spent time talking do and you evalue 186 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: way A couple of players nailed it shocker, and I 187 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: got hired on the spot. It was pretty cool. Obviously 188 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: accepted the job and then for two years. I moved 189 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: back then and I did that in two thousand ten 190 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: and two thousand and eleven. My first year, I was 191 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: technically an intern. Uh. My second year, I was a 192 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: full time pro scout, but you basically do the same 193 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: ship in both jobs. My third year, another kind of 194 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: famous guy, Daniel Jeremiah, who you now see on NFL Network, 195 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: was kind of taken over from Mayok and it's he's 196 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: the draft guy in NFL Network was leaving the West 197 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: Coast job to go work for NFL Network. So I'm like, Damn, 198 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. It's not that I didn't like Philadelphia, 199 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: because I did. I just I kind of miss California. 200 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Like I'm a West Coast guy. I don't thrive on 201 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: the East Coast. I can spend some time there, but 202 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm was ready to go. So the West Coast job 203 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: came open. I mean, I started pleading, begging for Howie 204 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: to give me the job. You know, I really wanted 205 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: the job, and I was lucky because most people in 206 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: the office are East Coast guys. They didn't necessarily want 207 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: to move to California. I desperately wanted it. It worked out. 208 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: I got the job and it was cool. You know, 209 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I basically had the entire West Coast territory from Colorado 210 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: down to Arizona up to Washington. Now the shitty part 211 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: about the Eagles and and really most teams are like this. 212 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: You drive everywhere where in like the South, Like if 213 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: you have the SEC, all the schools are drivable. You know, 214 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: you can have a couple of hour drives. Can you 215 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: imagine driving from like Sacramento to Oregon, from Oregon to Washington. 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I had some tricks, but it was sweet 217 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and I got to do that for a year. And 218 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: then after the season, Andy Reid got fired. So then 219 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Chip came in. I thought it was kind of a 220 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: mad guy because Howie Roseman GM anyone that's been listening 221 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: to podcast the whole time. I had him on Last 222 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: Combine Buddy's what Howe And uh, obviously I worked for 223 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: him for a couple of years. Well, then we had 224 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: some draft meetings and Chip first Scott there and you know, 225 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: if you listen to this, you know I'm pretty opinionated. 226 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: I crushed Matt Barkley. I wanted no part amount Barkley. Well, 227 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: you're like, well they drafted him. Yeah. It turns out 228 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Chip really like Matt Barkley. He had played well against him. 229 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: So we kind of disagreed and butted heads on that one. 230 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: Contentious might be the wrong word, but it wasn't ideal 231 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: for like an area scout and the new head coach 232 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: that was making like seven eight million dollars a year. 233 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: I was like, God, that didn't go well. But again, 234 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean I was standing up for my opinion. Ultimately, 235 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: was I right? Matt Barkley has actually been in the 236 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: league a lot longer than I thought. Uh. And then 237 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: things got weird and it was clear I wasn't gonna 238 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: be part of the team. By like the combine. I 239 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: was like, God, I'm gonna get fired or not my 240 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: contract not renewed. This is not good. Uh. And that's 241 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: what happened after the draft. So you worked the whole 242 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: draft period. That's normal in the scouting world. And then 243 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: it ended. And then I was like, you know, I 244 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: don't want to move around. I had been I had 245 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: moved back to California. I was actually living in San 246 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Francisco at the time. Like, I'm not gonna bounce around 247 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: like I'm not wired like a coach. I'm not gonna 248 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: go try to work in Kansas City and then bounce 249 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: to New York and like, screw this. I worked in 250 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the NFL cool slash, a little overrated. I really wasn't 251 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: making that much money at the time. There's a lot 252 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: of people in the league were. But when you're you know, 253 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: in your mid to early late twenties, you're just you 254 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: have no leverage. So the immedia thing kind of took 255 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: off locally because we had we just had a new 256 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: radio station expanding the Bay area, so we had two 257 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: sports stations. One of my buddies that I went to 258 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: high school with was working there and I actually lived 259 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: with them the Frozen State too, and I started coming 260 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: on a show and kind of one thing led to another. 261 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: I started working for this radio station. We got a show. 262 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: So then for three years we had a show, and 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: we got the show like in our late twenties, had 264 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: to be the youngest show in the country for a 265 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: major radio station, uh in a major market. We did 266 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: that for three years. Some management change and I really 267 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: liked it, Like I was more suited for the media 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: than I was a scout and I'm pretty good at 269 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: evaluating who can play and who can't. But there were 270 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: things and elements of not being able to control your 271 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: own destiny. There's business elements of life that I like 272 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: that you're not gonna really do working in the NFL, 273 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: there there was I aspired to do other things, and 274 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: a lot of people that I was around in the 275 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: NFL like they were football junkies, and that was it. Like, 276 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: first off, I like other sports. I watching the A 277 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: T and T tournament in the background. I love playing golf, 278 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: I love watching the NBA. Obviously love football, but I 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: I watch a baseball game every night. I'm a big 280 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Giants fan. Like I like talking in and that's what 281 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: I like more about the media. Like I can do 282 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: other stuff. It doesn't necessarily pigeonholed me, but football I 283 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: mean as my as my former radio co host and 284 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: now my current other podcast co host, got Habrman once 285 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: told me, if you are going to get pigeonholed in 286 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: a sport, football is the one, you know, that is 287 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: the cash cow for America. Right, You don't want to 288 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: be like a baseball analyst. No one gives a ship 289 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: what you have to say. Again, I kind of do, 290 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: and people think I should on baseball. I actually like it. 291 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: I I do watch. I am by far in the 292 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: hundredth percentile of baseball consumption for a millennial. But ultimately 293 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: the show came to an end. We kind of got 294 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: into the podcast, uh realm of things and have been 295 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: doing that ever since. And people often ask me how 296 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: did you meet Colin? And I was like, you know what, 297 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: I've known him since junior high. No, I met him 298 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: on the internet. I met him on Twitter. I met 299 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: him through Twitter. Like probably many of you, I'm a 300 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: huge sports talk radio guy. Been listening since I could. 301 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: I remember in junior high listen to Jim Rome. Uh. 302 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: And then obviously you kind of grow out of that, 303 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: and you Colin, I'm sure most people can relate to 304 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: this was by far the smartest host. Like I like 305 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: being intellectually stimulated while talking about sports. So I had 306 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: been listening to a show probably since the mid two 307 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: thousand's when you really started taking off with ESPN uh 308 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: and was a huge fan. So then when I became 309 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: just Twitter, I remember when he followed me. It was 310 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: a really big deal. There are two people I remember 311 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: when they followed me. One was Adam Schefter and the 312 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: other one was Colin, And one thing led to another. 313 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: He asked me, what is it now? Probably a year 314 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and a half ago to do this, and you know, 315 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: it's been really cool and it's cool to see everything grow. 316 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: But I just, you know, sometimes I just talk and 317 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: I realized, you know, you kind of know Colin or 318 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick or whoever you're listening to Bill Simmons whatever podcast. 319 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people probably listen of this because it's 320 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: through Collins Feed. Don't even know who I am. So 321 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: that's somewhat of the cliff Notes version of me in 322 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: my life, in my plight. Uh. And people are like, 323 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: where do you want to do? Where you want to go? 324 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I think that the the 325 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: evolution of this media thing for me that also likes 326 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: the business element of it, Like I sell ads for 327 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: our podcast that I do with Guy. I do a 328 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: daily periscope show on Twitter that I get to sell 329 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: that I own. I like the entrepreneurial, entrepreneurial aspect of 330 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: that all. So I don't really know where everything's going, 331 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: but I do know this the future is podcast. I've 332 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: worked on radio, I've worked now on podcasts for a while. 333 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I know how people consume their content, you know, and 334 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: especially younger people. You will not get into a car. 335 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: But my little brother actually just turned twenty nine last week. 336 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: You can't get into a car with him or any 337 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: of his friends. And the moment. What they do is 338 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: connect their phone to the uh, you know, to the 339 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: front panel or whatever to to listen to music or 340 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: their audio. But that's how they consume stuff. So I 341 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: I was kind of forced into this. I I didn't 342 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: necessarily want to leave radio. But it's the best thing 343 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: that ever happened to me because I'm with the times 344 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and the wave is coming and you know, I love 345 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: doing this, so we'll just keep it rolling. And the 346 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: plan is to keep doing too. And now now I 347 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: let's talking about some football. Well, I think it's pretty 348 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: fascinating because the NBA trade deadline just happened and there 349 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: was a ton of moves, only probably a couple of 350 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: really big ones like Marcus sol got traded. Uh that's 351 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: probably the biggest one, I guess, trying to think of 352 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Tobias Harris to the Sixers. But to me, the big 353 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: difference between the NFL and the NBA, and this is 354 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: something that's just talked about a lot, and you know, 355 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty common knowledge. Right, one is a player driven 356 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: league and the other is a management driven league. And 357 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: there's a reason to me that the NBA is clearly 358 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: and always has been behind the NFL. This is somewhat 359 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: of a theory of mine. I think the common guy 360 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: slash girl, which is the majority of in America. Most 361 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: people in America are not rich or do not attend games. 362 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, are not sitting in boxes at NFL games, 363 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: are not sitting in the lower bowl at NBA games. 364 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: They don't get to go to games they can't afford it. 365 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Most people have to watch it on television, which is 366 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: fine for both leagues. Because the way these leagues make money. 367 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't think people often realize this. The fans pay 368 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: for everything, even if you do not spend a time, 369 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: whether you don't buy a player's shoes or whether you 370 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: never go to an NFL game. If you watch games, 371 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: you help with writings in any sport, and that is 372 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: where the majority of their money comes from. Media rights. Well, 373 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: media rights is sold off eyeballs. So time is money 374 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: in time equals money for these leagues. Your time, my time, 375 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: all of our times. But I think the NFL is 376 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: so much more relatable to players, or excuse me, to 377 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: the fans, because as a most of us were very replaceable. 378 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: You know, we're kind of at will employees. Depending on 379 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: what your job is, most of us do not make huge, 380 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: huge casts. Most of us, even if we're good at 381 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: our at our job, always think, you know, we should 382 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: get a little more money, we should get an extra year, 383 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: you know, potentially in our contract, we should be able to, 384 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, given that client or that opportunity. We're always 385 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: fighting for more, and we kind of relate to a 386 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: lot of the NFL players that always kind of feel 387 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: like they're getting screwed. And I think the common fan, 388 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say necessarily feels bad for NFL players because 389 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: they do make a lot of money, but understands the 390 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: majority of guys kind of have to fight for every penny. 391 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: No they can be replaced. We can kind of relate 392 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: to that, and it's why the NFL is The trading 393 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: deadline and just trades in general have never been that 394 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: prevalent more because it's just so much harder of a sport, 395 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: not a plug in play lead. You do see trades 396 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: in the off season, but in season, scheme is so important. Uh. 397 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: You can't just fire in a guy and have him 398 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: seamlessly transition. Now it happens, but not very often. Uh. 399 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: I think in the n b A you saw all 400 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: these trades are all fear driven, especially in the East. 401 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: They're all afraid Kauai is gonna leave that one day, 402 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler will leave this offseason that you know Jihon 403 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: Is in a couple of years will leave Milwaukee. They're 404 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: terrified of the player leaving. The great thing in the 405 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: NFL is you're never really terrified of you know, in 406 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: free agency, you're gonna end up losing some guys because 407 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: you can't pay everyone. But if you really like a player, 408 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: you keep them. Why Because there's a thing called the 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: franchise tag, and you can always maneuver where you can 410 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: isolate the one guy that you really want to keep. 411 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes there are situations where there are multiple guys you'd 412 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: like to keep and you have to choose one. I'm 413 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: not saying it doesn't happen, but trades rarely happen in 414 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: the NFL, and I would just say movement in general 415 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: out of fear of losing people. Now. One thing that 416 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: is happening a lot in the NFL. Teams are getting 417 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: aggressive with core backs on their rookie contract, but they're 418 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: never in fear of that quarterback on the rookie contract. 419 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Like the Rams, the Chiefs, the Browns, Now, the uh 420 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans there, they're never afraid that they're gonna 421 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: lose their star young quarterback in free agency. Like every 422 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: team in the NBA is terrified. If you have Giannice, 423 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, if you have Ben Simmons, if you have 424 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: you name it, that guy will leave in free agency 425 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: one because the money no longer matters to those guys. 426 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: They make infinitely more money now than NFL players because 427 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: the shoe deals because of just NBA second contracts are 428 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: enormous that there's an out of touch level with their 429 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: sport when it comes to their players. Do you notice 430 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: like even Antonio Brown, he did he never was unhappy 431 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: with the Steelers. It was more like he was unhappy 432 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: with Ben Like for the most part, once players signed 433 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: a big deal in the NFL, they may be mad 434 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: at losing or like angry in another player, but they 435 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: never feel like, I hate this organization. I don't want 436 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: to be here we're in the NBA. Every player kind 437 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: of feels like that lately. Besides, like Steph Curry, they're 438 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: always miserable, and that's a pretty big turn off to fans, 439 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, And because again I always get back to this, 440 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: fans pay the bills, and I know Twitter and social 441 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: media is so progressive and they love the players having 442 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: all the control. Is that the right thing? Like, seriously, 443 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: is that the correct business model? Now? It is the 444 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: business model of the NBA. And because of basketball, they're 445 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: way less players. It's always kind of been like that, 446 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, whoever. The top players are always 447 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: gonna be infinitely more important than the second best player 448 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: on the team. That's that's so that will never change. 449 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: But is it great for the players to just completely 450 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: run the league? Like the NFL for the majority of 451 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: my life, and definitely since this new cb A let's 452 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: just use post c b A in two thousand eleven, 453 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: has never seen greater revenue, greater interests. Now, there are 454 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: certain things and variables that play just the nature of 455 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: the sport. You only play once a week, there's more 456 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: urgency in every game, the gambling, so it's not apples 457 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: to apples, But doesn't the NFL benefit from having a 458 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: management GM run league. Now here's the other thing. Even 459 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: if your team sucks, you never have to worry about 460 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: losing your best player that one day he's just gonna 461 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: come in and be like this sucks. It's like, bro, 462 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: we just signed you to a contract. I'm not saying 463 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. That's never happened and that won't happen again. 464 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: But for the most part, the NBA players make way 465 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: more money and they feel way more unhappy about whenever 466 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: they're at a situation once they get paid, like players 467 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: always are gonna bitch and moan like, oh, we should 468 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: get more money, we should get more money. But once 469 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: guy signed deals, they seem relatively happy, you know, in 470 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: their given cities. And that's somewhat If you're the fans, 471 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: you can take pride in that, like you just this 472 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: guy is gonna be around now if he sucks. It's 473 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: also it for the fans. I can get rid of them. 474 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: I've always said and I will continue to say that 475 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: the end that the NFL by far is the best 476 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: model for a fan because you never get stuck with 477 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a guy for long. We're all baseball fans of different teams, 478 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: and if your team has any money, they signed bad 479 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: contracts and you're just stuck with the dude. The NBA, especially, 480 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: not as many crazy contracts get signed anymore because these 481 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: gems are so smart, but we've all seen them. You're 482 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: just stuck with a guy. You're like, God, I can't 483 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: move this contract. In the NFL, that pretty rarely happens. 484 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: Occasionally there's a crazy albatrosh contract, but for the most part, 485 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: they're basically at max like three year deals, so your 486 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: team doesn't have to do crazy shit make trades being 487 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: because they're scared. They make trades because they're trying to win, 488 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: you know, they make correct trades. Like a lot of 489 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: trades today in the NBA were like reactions were almost 490 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: being scared of what a player on their team will 491 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: ultimately do when the season ends. Teams in the NFL 492 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: don't don't think like that, and I think as a 493 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: whole as a league, that is a huge reason that 494 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch that so many teams have hope, 495 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: like we all benefit from the way the NFL is structured. Okay, 496 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: let's get into Kyler Murray. It came out today because 497 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I think the combine released. It's maybe NFL dot com 498 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: or whatever released the list of names that are attending 499 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: the combine, and Kyler murray name is on that list. 500 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: He is attending the NFL Combine. And I think it's 501 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating. And here is the number one thing 502 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: to watch, and I'm gonna relate it to this. I'm single. 503 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I internet date. I've been Internet dating on and off, 504 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: you know, for I don't know, six seven years. I 505 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: remember when when Tinder first came out. Now it's like 506 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of looked down upon, and there's a million other 507 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: websites or apps bumble hinge. Uh you know you name him. 508 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean there's a million out there. But the one 509 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: thing with Internet dating and anyone listening this experience, this 510 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: knows this. And it's fair for guys too. You know, 511 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: if you put on a little weight, you throw on 512 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: your two thousand fourteen picture, even though it's two thousand nineteen, 513 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: well we all do it. There are filters a lot 514 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: of times you can match with you know, the opposite sex, 515 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: were with the same sex. You know, we don't discriminate here. 516 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: And you're like, damn, she is hot. She looks good, 517 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: and then you go on the date and you're like, God, 518 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: she doesn't quite look like what she looked like. Now, 519 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: also you have she looks pretty good, and then she 520 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: looks exactly like her pictures. For the most part, I 521 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: think myself pretty you know, what you see is what 522 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: you get, So if you match with me, you know 523 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: what you're getting when you see me. You don't quite 524 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: see the personality, which I hang my hat on because 525 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't know my looks. But we anyone that's internet 526 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: dated has has gone on a date and met the 527 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: person for the first time and ought they were gonna 528 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: look a little different than they actually do now. Sometimes 529 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: that's why I usually go to a spot where no 530 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: one quite knows where you're going, so if it doesn't 531 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: go well, if she doesn't quite look as good, you know, 532 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: no one's there to judge you. That's kind of my 533 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: go to move. But the point is you never quite 534 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: know what they look like, what they truly look like, 535 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: until you meet him in person. In the NFL, general 536 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: managers and especially the coaching staff during the fall do 537 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: not really get to go on the road. The coaching 538 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: staff does not. I mean they're not going out you know, 539 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: the colleges to evaluate anyone. A lot of times general managers, 540 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: especially on good teams, are not able to leave the 541 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: team just too much stuff going on day to day. 542 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: They travel with the team, they don't get to see 543 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: that many players up close and personal, and the ones 544 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: they do, like, if you're playing l A, you might 545 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: get to go to sc you know, if you're playing 546 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: the Saints, you probably go to L. S U. Like 547 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: you can hit a big school that's in your area. 548 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: If you're playing the Niners, you can go to Stanford. 549 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: You kind of get my drift. But you're never going 550 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: to Lahoma. So the only time you've ever seen Kyler 551 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: Murray is either on television or either in your office 552 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: on the All twenty two tape and listen. Anyone listening 553 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: to this probably a football fan. You've watched him. He 554 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: looks like Michael Vick. I mean, he's incredible, a more 555 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: accurate Michael Vick, just on television. But here's what we 556 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: do know. He is not very tall. So the combine 557 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: is the first time for coaches and general managers. And 558 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: I got news for you, the scouts and everyone, and 559 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I've been one of those guys. They're going into the school. 560 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: You can fall in love with the guy, you can 561 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: hate a guy. At the end of the day, you're 562 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: not a decision maker, so you give your advice, but 563 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: you really play a small role in the ultimate acquisition 564 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: of the players. It comes with the coach or the 565 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: general manager, depending on who has the juice, and regardless 566 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: which one does, those two are going to spend the 567 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: most amount of time deciding on the player, especially in 568 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: the first round. Maybe the area Scott scout can fight 569 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: for guys in the later round, but when you're talking 570 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: about a first round player and a player of Kyler 571 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: Murray's fame, impact and someone that's probably gonna go in 572 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: the first round, the owner of the coach and the 573 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: general manager are the ones that matter in that they 574 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: have not met this individual in person at the senior 575 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: ball a couple of weeks ago that all the general 576 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: managers got to meet, all the players got to see, 577 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: all the players got to eyeball the players. Guess what 578 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: those general managers are around every day, actual NFL players 579 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: in their building, so you kind of have a feel 580 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: for what that individual looks like and clearly size matters 581 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: in the league. Kyler Murray is gonna walk through that door. 582 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: The way the combine is set up, there are all 583 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: these it's like a hotel, and there's like a former 584 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: where the railroad used to be, and they basically like 585 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: built rooms inside these railroad cars. It's pretty cool. And 586 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: they have every team has a little station and like 587 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: a basically like a little little hotel room that they 588 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: interview all the players and you get I think a 589 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: total of like you can interview up to sixty players. 590 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray will more than likely get an interview. Now 591 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: it's only fifteen minutes with every team in the league, 592 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: and in that room one percent will include the head 593 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: coach and the general manager and in coordinators on either 594 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: side of the ball, depending on who you're interviewing, obviously, 595 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: and and maybe like you know with the with the Cowboys, 596 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, some owners go just because they're bored, but 597 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: for the most part that they're not. They're not in attendance. 598 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is gonna walk through that door. He's gonna 599 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: be five nine, and I got news for it. It's 600 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna turn people off. It just will. I'm not saying 601 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna make or break his draft status, but it's 602 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: gonna be an eye opening experience. Again, like when you 603 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: go and you date someone and you meet them for 604 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: the first time. That first look, when you get to 605 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: see the person with your own eyes, not on a 606 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: filtered picture on some app is an eye opening experience, 607 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: good or bad. So you know, I'm sure anyone that's 608 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: done it has had both and a lot of times 609 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: when a guy walks in the door like Quinn and 610 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: Williams or I'm just throwing out some potential draft picks 611 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen. Uh, you know some of the guys from Clemson, Rashaan, Gary, 612 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, they're gonna look the part. Clearly, their film 613 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: speaks for itself. It's why their top ten potential picks. 614 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna see him and you're gonna go back. 615 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: Guy's six ft four two, He looks the part. When 616 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray walks to the door, and the majority of 617 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: general managers that are are way bigger than him. I'm 618 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: just telling you get ready for this red flag because, 619 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: like anything in life, the first time you get to 620 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: actually have a human interaction with someone, uh, it impacts 621 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: the way you think about them, regardless how many times 622 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: you talked to him. On the phone, regardless how many 623 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: times you email back and forth. Think about especially when 624 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: size really matters in what you're doing. If a guy 625 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: walks through and he's really small. You know, you can 626 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: lie on your Internet dating profile. I can say I'm 627 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: six ft four, but eventually I'm gonna show up and 628 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be you know, if I'm wearing some boots, 629 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: maybe eleven, so i can lie all I want. If 630 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: I've been to see in person, you're gonna find out. 631 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: The thing with Kyler Murray, like, no one disputes he's small. 632 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: The thing. It's one thing to be small and having 633 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: teams seen you, like eventually, all the teams that watched 634 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, probably most of the league really liked him 635 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: on tape. But he was five ten and then they 636 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: met him and he was still five ten, and that's 637 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: the reason he went in the third round. Now he's 638 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: clearly incredible. He should have gone, you know, looking back, 639 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: he would have been the number one overall pick or whatever. 640 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: But for the most part, short little midgets do not 641 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: play well in the NFL. And I get the games 642 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: change and I like Kyler Murray, but you're gonna read 643 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: stories people are gonna red flag him. The Internet is 644 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: gonna freak out, And I don't think it's just that crazy. 645 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: A lot of coaches, a lot of general managers, I think, 646 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: are gonna be floored just because it's one thing to 647 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: read the number. It's another thing to shake his hand 648 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: and and size him up in person. And when they're 649 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: way shorter than that number looks on paper when you 650 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: actually are standing right next to him, not an ideal thing. Okay, 651 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: let's get into the Middlecoff mail bag. Easiest way to 652 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: get a hold of me on Instagram. Also same thing 653 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: as my Twitter handle at John Middlecoff. The d m 654 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: s are open. Right a question and I will answer 655 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: him right here on the podcast. Robert Salo was absolutely 656 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: deplorable as the defensive coordinator last year in San Francisco. 657 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: With that said, do you expect a new DC higher 658 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: in the near future. If so, who do you expect 659 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: the candidates to be? Well, here's the problem that obviously 660 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: he's going to be the defensive coordinator in two thousand nine. 661 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: So because Jimmy's coming back, I do think the forty 662 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: niners could be a lot better. I'd say he's his 663 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: job status is probably fifty fifty as we stand here 664 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: right now going into the season. Give when I say 665 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: fifty fifty, meaning he'll be the defensive coordinator into two 666 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: thousand twenty, if they win and they get to the playoffs, 667 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: I think he'll be back. If they win. Let's say 668 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: they go nine and seven, but the offense is off, 669 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, awesome, throwing up a bunch of points. Jimmy's 670 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: like an m v P candidate. But the reason they're 671 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: nine and seven is because they have one of the 672 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: worst defenses in the league. I think he'll be gone. 673 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: So I do think you have to see big time 674 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: improvement from the defense. They're gonna need some of these 675 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: young guys on defense, like a Solomon Thomas, whoever they 676 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: end up drafting at number two. I guess it'd be 677 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: a Bosa or a Josh Allen, a guy like that, 678 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: to look like he's got a chance, some other young 679 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: pieces on defense to take steps. So I'd say right 680 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: now fifty fifty. He's not you know, around next year 681 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: if anything. If you had to ask me to guess, 682 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: is he the defensive coordinator in two thousand twenty, I'd 683 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: say no, just because he's already been here. Three years 684 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: they haven't or excuse me too, this will be his 685 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: third they haven't been good on defense. But I don't 686 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: think he's just some lock now. His one problem is 687 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: just simply he does not have a lot of equity 688 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: built up just as a coach in Jim role in 689 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: terms of you know, think back in the day when 690 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Dom Caper's hung around forever. He had a bunch of 691 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: equity built up in the franchise. Uh. Andy Reid fired 692 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: Don Sutton. Uh this is that his name, but Bob 693 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: Sutton not not Don Sutton, Bob Sutton this year, well, 694 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: the first three or four years the Cancie Chiefs defense 695 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: was really good, so he had some equity built up 696 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: in the franchise. Solo really has been pretty terrible for 697 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: the most part through two years. Shanahanna stood by him. 698 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he could withstand a third year of 699 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: not being productive, of not having young players. Go excuse me, grow, 700 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: I can't even talk, uh and just kind of take 701 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: a step. So I root for him because he's bald. 702 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I hear he's actually a golfer two. But it's time 703 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: to somewhat put up or shut up. He's not really 704 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: my style. Of coach on the field, Like at practice, 705 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I like my guys to be a little quieter and 706 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: when they have to yell, they yell. He's a little 707 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: bit a little Rara. It's all positive, not it's just 708 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: not for me now. People like them that are around him, 709 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: that that I know, that know him. But it's time 710 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: to put up or shut up for sure. Hey John, 711 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: love love both pods. What's your take on the Super 712 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: Bowl broadcast as a whole? From a viewer's perspective, the 713 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: entire watch feels flat that on top of the low 714 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: score and all the punts, it's hard to enjoy. The 715 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: game just seems like there's a lot of dead air. 716 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's bs in the background. I think whenever 717 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: you have a massive game, whether it's you know, the 718 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: Final four, Super Bowl, World Series, whatever, and the game 719 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: is really shitty, Like the game is just bad. And 720 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl I didn't think it was that terrible 721 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: because you still had Brady, you know, you still had McVeigh. 722 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: But when they don't get it doesn't feel like in 723 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: the in the red zone. I have to check that 724 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: they not get in the red zone in the first 725 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: half any of the teams. That's not ideal. Uh, there's 726 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: only so much the broadcasters can do. Like there's only 727 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: so much Romo can say. When you're going three and 728 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: out every series and you're throwing picks, you're turning the 729 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: ball over, it's hard for me to blame the broadcast. 730 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: A lot of times as a broadcaster, you know, you 731 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: are tied to the game you're calling. It's why a 732 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: lot of the great calls ever have just come in 733 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: great games. You know, you never hear some historic call 734 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: from Bob Costas. You know, Jim Nance al Michaels in 735 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: a blowout. You know, all the all the historic Jim 736 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: Nance golf calls, you know for the Masters have been 737 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: like walk off puts for Phil Mickelson, al Michaels. Do 738 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: you believe in miracles? It was one of the biggest 739 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: upsets ever this the Patriots were kind of in control 740 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: of the game. They are the Patriots. I I just 741 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: don't think there's much they could have done. I do 742 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: know what you're saying, though, I like Romo. I think 743 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: Jim Nance, you know, it's a little cheesy, a little stiff, 744 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: but he's very on brand for CBS that that's what 745 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: they like, that's what they desire. He's their number one guy. 746 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: He's been their number one guy forever. He's not going anywhere. 747 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: But I will say that I do think that Romo 748 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: has how do I how do I put this kind 749 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: of energized him, you know, make made him a little happier. 750 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: I guess if you can do that, because I thought 751 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: with Sims, the two of them were just so stiff. 752 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: It was a terrible broadcast. It is much better now. 753 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: I think Romo adds some youth, some just excitement, some exuberance, 754 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: just some just he's excited to be there, and there's 755 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: something to be said. And I don't blame Nance. Nance 756 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: has done it all. He's called Super Bowls, he's called 757 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods Masters, he's called Final Fours. There's nothing he has. 758 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: He's super rich, you know what, while Romo is super 759 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: famous and he's quite got quarterback money. You could feel 760 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: these last couple of years. And this is the one 761 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: thing I do value in what he brings to the table, 762 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: a genuine excitement as Romo is almost being being a fan. 763 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: He's just educating us from the fans perspective, but it 764 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: sure feels like he enjoys it a lot and that 765 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: it's it's really fun to watch. Hey, John, h Okay. 766 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: Last question, Dear John. With the Raiders Iron playing at 767 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: Oracle Park, the forty Niners for sure will not waive 768 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: the territorial rights. But I also have heard of all 769 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: thirty owners unanimously vote against the forty Niners the Raiders 770 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: can play at Oracle Park. Do you see the other 771 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: NFL owners doing that to the forty Niners. I do not. First, 772 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: this is a big story where I live the forty Niners. 773 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: Every team in the NFL, if they were in the 774 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: forty Niners shoes, would not waive the rights. Now, I 775 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: do think the Raiders could get a lot of votes 776 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: simply because the NFL wants this to be over, the 777 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: other teams are tired of dealing with this BS. But 778 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: I do think there would be a lot of people 779 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: that would just stand up on precedent, and you would 780 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: never want to set this precedence. Then another team, if 781 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: they're in a lame duck situation, can come into a 782 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: market that you own and basically squat there for a 783 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: short period of time. So I think I think there 784 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: would be enough owners in the NFL that would stand 785 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: on that principle. Plus the forty Niners have a dual 786 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: stadium that you could just play there for a year. 787 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Mark Davis is so mad at the 788 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: city of Oakland, the Oakland City of Oakland hates him. 789 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: It's just gotten really ugly. I think what we've learned, 790 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: not that we didn't already know this. When you are 791 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,959 Speaker 1: going to move, just leave, because if you don't just leave, 792 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: it gets ugly for everyone involved. It's becomes very emotional. 793 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: And there are, like I always say, there are fans involved. 794 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: There are people around here that are season ticket holders 795 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: that are involved and that are being treated, that are 796 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: getting shorted into the stick here. It's not fair. I 797 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: thought it was a terrible look for the Giants to 798 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: even get involved. You know, some of their fans are 799 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: Raider fans in this area that haven't been treated, you know, 800 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: right is the wrong word, but just have kind of 801 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: gotten shipped on during this period of time because their 802 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: teams leaving. That sucks on the most basic level. I 803 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: get why they left. They got free money. Their owners 804 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: broke teams and shambles that they just don't have any 805 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: money to build a stadium. The owner refuses to sell 806 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: they needed a welfare handout, and the Nevada Vegas it's 807 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: one of the last states that somehow just avoids like 808 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: we couldn't pull that off in California one. We're just 809 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: too highly regulated, Like no one even pays attention to 810 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: the desert so they can just play with their funny money. 811 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: And it was basically criminal activity, which I don't blame 812 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: Mark Davis for taking the cash, but I I will 813 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: say that, you know, if somehow he would have been 814 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: able to bring in a partner give up some equity, 815 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,959 Speaker 1: I think they could have been successful. In the Bay Area. 816 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: There's just too much money and too many people here. 817 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: But I will be the first to admit there is 818 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: bureaucracy and bs that comes with being around here. In 819 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: the city of Oakland's a joke. I wouldn't want to 820 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: deal with them either, not that the city of Santa 821 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: Clara is that much better, but Silicon Valleys right there, 822 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: and they pay for everything. So I I do understand 823 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: why Jed went down there, and Jed gets crushed for 824 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: being in Santa Clara. I don't think people realize when 825 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: you watch like the Football Life of Bill Walsh and 826 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: he's out there at practice, with Montana, with Rice, with 827 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: Young They've been, their offices have been down there. I 828 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: think it's like eighty five, so it's not they just 829 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: picked up their ship and moved down to Santa Clara. 830 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: They've been there. Now. I wouldn't have built the stadium there. 831 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: I personally don't like where it is, but I do 832 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: get from an economic standpoint why they ended up there. 833 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: It would have been way cooler in the city downtown. 834 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, stadiums are awesome, for example Seattle. I know 835 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: Seattle's is right downtown. It's sweet. A lot of basketball 836 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 1: and baseball arenos are downtown. It's awesome. Nine are screwed 837 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: screwed up there in a sense from a location standpoint, 838 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: and it stinks for a lot of us that you 839 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: live an hour away when you factor in traffic. But 840 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, my my 841 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: guess is the owner it'll near or get to that point. 842 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: If I had to take an educated guest, I the 843 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: Raiders play it Levi's though. I think they end up 844 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: maybe going back to the coliseum, But but who knows, 845 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: And really, at the end of the day, who really cares. 846 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm exhausted by this story. Keep the questions coming. Slide 847 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: up in those d m s at John Middlecoff my 848 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Instagram handle, same thing on Twitter. You can also tweet 849 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: at me and we'll use the questions uh here as well, 850 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: So just holler at me social media. Thanks for everyone 851 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: for listening. We kind of went a little different on 852 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: this podcast. We'll see if people like it. If not, 853 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: I'll be back next week talking more balls seem