WEBVTT - Flipping on the Feds?

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Ditty Trial.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up everyone, This is Aubrey O'Day and this is

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<v Speaker 2>TJ and Amy presents me Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.

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<v Speaker 2>I am back with Emily Simpson. I am so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking to her again because we are just

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<v Speaker 2>a gag girl. Me and you get together and we

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<v Speaker 2>just start unloading on everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we are We're not your typical reality stars, are we.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe we are?

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<v Speaker 3>We are.

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<v Speaker 2>We're definitely two. We're definitely a duo not to be

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<v Speaker 2>messed with. So let's let me do a little recap

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<v Speaker 2>of Jane, just because she was on the stand for

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<v Speaker 2>a good amount of time last week. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did one episode that was really trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>as much compassion and grayson my heart as I could

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<v Speaker 2>for her being a victim, but I also and so

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<v Speaker 2>was able to parallel that with it seems like she

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<v Speaker 2>somehow learned along the way how to manipulate people in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get what she wanted out of situations as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a complicated thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a complicated, layered situation to enter into. She just

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<v Speaker 2>kept on going down that train, though, didn't she and

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<v Speaker 2>it got worse and worse for me. One thing I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, who gets on a stand for the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution and has not only just their home and their lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're a term knee paid for by the man

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<v Speaker 2>that they are there to sit and call their abuser

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<v Speaker 2>and the perpetrator and the person that should be going

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<v Speaker 2>to jail for crimes. Can you explain that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>because I haven't heard anything that makes any of that

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<v Speaker 2>make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I found that part to be shocking, and I

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<v Speaker 3>question the prosecution's desire to have her as a wis

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<v Speaker 3>part because here's the.

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<v Speaker 4>Way I looked at it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving a pack of women, like Mark said, in

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<v Speaker 2>a real way, girl, it's giving a pack of white women.

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<v Speaker 3>This woman testified for over twenty four hours total over

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<v Speaker 3>six day time period. I felt as if when you

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<v Speaker 3>had Cassie testify first, it was very profound and I

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<v Speaker 3>think you were enthralled by it. And I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>captivated as to the level of coercion and violence. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think when you lead with that, but then you

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<v Speaker 3>end your case with someone like Jane, it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 3>for the prosecution. I was siding with the defense on

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<v Speaker 3>this one because I kept I kept looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're trying, but you couldn't get there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to get there, but you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>were so many things that stood out to me, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of those was shocking the fact that he still

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<v Speaker 3>continues to pay for her attorney, and he continues to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for her rent, and she's sitting on the stand

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<v Speaker 3>saying that, you know, he coerced her into these situations.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have a hard time finding that or believing that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hate to say that because I'm a woman's woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, I've had the same exact like literally called

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<v Speaker 2>it the Jane Doe dilemma because it's a very hard thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you what, as someone from the inside,

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<v Speaker 2>some bits and pieces that I heard of from people

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<v Speaker 2>inside the courtroom, and also because I know them so well.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the first witness where Diddy was fidgeting a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was giving I came here for you, but you

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<v Speaker 2>torture me, so I'm gonna let you sweat a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit she gave. She was giving cute and mild. She

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<v Speaker 2>was giving, you know, a lot of details that were

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<v Speaker 2>horrific and things like that in the very beginning, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she had him squirming, he was fidgeting, and then

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<v Speaker 2>she flipped, and then she flipped by the end and

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<v Speaker 2>she gave it. She completely flipped on the Feds. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was having to relive some of the horrific things

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<v Speaker 2>that he did and on some things that she willingly

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<v Speaker 2>asked for a lot of them. Was a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>asking was going on with this one. Yeah, a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>More jealousy, a lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me find the levels to which I could compete

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<v Speaker 2>with the others.

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<v Speaker 1>It was giving.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm aware that there's a come up here. I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen others come up. She saw Paul move on up.

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<v Speaker 2>She saw young Miami move on up. She saw that

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<v Speaker 2>you can move up in ranks and power. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think all of the testimony that spoke to that really

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<v Speaker 2>confused people. And I think that she did a really

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<v Speaker 2>good job of making him squirm.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen anything like this before?

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<v Speaker 3>No. I thought it was shocking that he actually that

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<v Speaker 3>he pays for her attorney. I mean, to me, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a conflict of interest that you're sitting on the stand

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<v Speaker 3>and you're supposed to be a witness for the prosecution and.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't put her on the stamp prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>What are they doing is a paycheck that low with

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<v Speaker 2>the AUSA, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I felt like, prosecute the prosecution better off

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<v Speaker 3>just not calling her as a witness.

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<v Speaker 4>Period at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We were fine, she didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also feel and maybe I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>you feel about this, but I think when when Cassie testified,

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<v Speaker 3>everything was so shocking, and that's what was stuck in

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<v Speaker 3>the juror's minds. Yes, you desensitize everything that's going on

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<v Speaker 3>when you continue to talk about it, and it gets

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<v Speaker 3>less and less and less, and then it gets to

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<v Speaker 3>the point where it's it's almost it looks as if

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<v Speaker 3>it's a pattern of behavior. But these women are willingly

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<v Speaker 3>going along with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Because yes, what Jane looks like. And yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>her testimony takes away from Cassie's testimony because saluted it.

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<v Speaker 4>You've talked about it repetitively, You've.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about being in competition with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Gina Young Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we got a whole slew of girls that the

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<v Speaker 2>jury hasn't even met or heard from. Now we just

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<v Speaker 2>hear there's a bunch of girls that are cat fighting

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<v Speaker 2>over this man. I mean, she literally took Cassie's power

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<v Speaker 2>from her a bit. In respect to this trial and

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<v Speaker 2>what has been established so far, super disappointing the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she is tied to potentially somebody that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>She has made comments that there were issues with her

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<v Speaker 2>baby's father and puff that combination right there is super

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<v Speaker 2>sessed to me and all of.

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<v Speaker 1>The levels in between our super sss.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 3>When she had reference to the father of her child,

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<v Speaker 3>I've read somewhere and I don't know this if this

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<v Speaker 3>is true, maybe you know this is he a well

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<v Speaker 3>known rapper or someone in the music industry as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, very well, Okay, so this.

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<v Speaker 4>Is my takeaway from that.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a child with someone who is a well

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<v Speaker 3>known rapper in the music industry. Then she's with Ditty

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<v Speaker 3>and she's involved with him for these four years or

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<v Speaker 3>however long it is. Then there's also the story about

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<v Speaker 3>where she went on a private jet in Vegas with

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<v Speaker 3>this other well.

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<v Speaker 4>Known rapper who I don't know who that is. I

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<v Speaker 4>can make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, did you see who happened to walk into court?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye showed up to court. Did I know there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of speculation here.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's been very pre pro ditty free Diddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me jump in front of all this before it

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<v Speaker 2>hits me next type of free Diddy potentially allegedly.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this was my takeaway as someone who's not in

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<v Speaker 3>the music industry. I looked at it as if Jane

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<v Speaker 3>was someone who is putting herself into these situations, overtly

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<v Speaker 3>putting herself into a situation where she's dating this rapper,

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<v Speaker 3>she has a child with them, then she's with Diddy,

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<v Speaker 3>then she's going on a private jet with this other

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<v Speaker 3>rapper and they're doing a freak off in a hotel.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand that she wasn't a participant, However, she watched.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone

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<v Speaker 3>and feel like someone is a victim when they are

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<v Speaker 3>putting themselves in this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was hard for me to feel sorry when Cassie's

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit dropped and she was still with him, then gave

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<v Speaker 2>him her price, then then did more freak offs than

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<v Speaker 2>the Cassie video of her getting beat dropped, and she

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<v Speaker 2>still stayed with him, and she even looked over different

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<v Speaker 2>takes that he did of his apology video and let

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<v Speaker 2>him know that she didn't feel the one she saw

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<v Speaker 2>was sincere enough. She lost me when she was on

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<v Speaker 2>her way to New York with her her striper heels

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<v Speaker 2>and the pink cocaine or whatever in her carry on,

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<v Speaker 2>heading to New York to the same hotel that he

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<v Speaker 2>gets arrested in that night where he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>have a freak off. She has all the way lost me.

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<v Speaker 2>The lawsuits have showed her. She said she felt like

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<v Speaker 2>she was reading a tell all book. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 2>read the tell all book, girl, then ride. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the point where you take your power. And she talks

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<v Speaker 2>about working with the criminal defense team the entire time

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<v Speaker 2>up until the very end when she's deciding to get

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<v Speaker 2>her power back.

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<v Speaker 1>But get what power back?

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<v Speaker 2>Because your bills are still being paid by the man

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in front of you on trial.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't get any of your power back.

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<v Speaker 2>You could take some of those OnlyFans coins and gotten

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<v Speaker 2>yourself an apartment that costs less than ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a month. I think she took that stand because Diddy,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I knew from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning, and a lot of these documentaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there were potential plants potted everywhere. Plants, plants, plants,

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<v Speaker 2>look left, look right, they're right in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I was told. I think that her testimony

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<v Speaker 2>did some major damage to the prosecution, and it makes

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<v Speaker 2>me wonder if she decided to take that stand for

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think she did what the expectation was

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<v Speaker 3>of the prosecution, which she answered the question. She talks

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<v Speaker 3>about how she said, you know, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, and they showed texts of her saying, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not an animal, I'm not a robot, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>A porn star.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not criminal, right, And the defense comes back on

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<v Speaker 5>on cross and they have her read text after text

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<v Speaker 5>after text where she's saying things like, thank you for

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<v Speaker 5>setting it up.

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<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed it. I had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Star party shot Kobe and Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm still in shock that the prosecution thought that

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<v Speaker 3>that was the way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in shock with the humors that they've made so far.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we went wrong with with Don Richard being

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<v Speaker 2>very inconsistent on the stand, and within your own depositions,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have found those inconsistencies, yet you still chose

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. We had an issue with Bona. What

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<v Speaker 2>was Bona's name, Bona, that was her nickname, the best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was going to ask you your opinion on.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Brianna, I believe dangling off the balcony, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>much taller. The weight differences, the fact that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>there when she said it occurred, the fact that she

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<v Speaker 2>had spoken with Cassie and that maybe stories had been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, discussed and potentially collaborated on prior to dropping

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<v Speaker 2>a civil lawsuit, which she does have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these things they've been able to poke some serious holes in.

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<v Speaker 2>So then now, I mean I was literally all week

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<v Speaker 2>just like I just didn't even want to look because

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<v Speaker 2>for what I believe to be true and for what

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<v Speaker 2>I believe they still have. And I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into that with you, because taking emotion out of it

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<v Speaker 2>and getting back to the law, I want the law

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<v Speaker 2>to speak over everything else. But that was a messy, mess,

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<v Speaker 2>mess mess. I felt like I was in a garden

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<v Speaker 2>of plants all over. I was in the motherfucking secret

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<v Speaker 2>garden of plant life. And I don't I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could understand why the prosecution felt that that

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<v Speaker 2>was necessary and at least made us understand. Maybe we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to understand it once they bring the person on

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<v Speaker 2>this week that's going to sum it all up for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody and break it down. But let's try to do

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<v Speaker 2>a little of that ourselves. So basically everybody's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Oh one more thing. I wanted to ask you, what

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<v Speaker 2>is with the hugging of Tenny when she gets off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was giving like Amber Herd theatric that

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I love you know, I support all victims,

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<v Speaker 2>But what was that?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was strange too, because first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we do know that she worked with the

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<v Speaker 3>defense for weeks and weeks before she switched over to

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution, So.

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<v Speaker 4>She clearly clearly had a rapport with Tenny.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know they got into it on the stand

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<v Speaker 3>a little over the Botega bag and how much you know,

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<v Speaker 3>her bodies were.

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<v Speaker 4>She got snappy with her.

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<v Speaker 2>She got snappy, and the jurors were eating it up.

0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And the jurors were eating up Tenny, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Jane do right, And so I think at the end,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that hug with prosecution but then the hug

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<v Speaker 3>with Tinny just goes to show you that she has

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<v Speaker 3>a rapport with the defense and that you know she

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<v Speaker 3>has a rapport with Tenny, And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>the jurors can see that and look at that and

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<v Speaker 3>think that she's a credible witness.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, it just looks like she's playing both sides.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when the defense came on and they cross

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<v Speaker 4>examined her, it was I thought it was pretty clear

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<v Speaker 4>to show.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, it looked like a complicated relationship with Sean

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<v Speaker 3>Combs where she.

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<v Speaker 4>Got yes of other women yea, and she got jealous.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when she sent text messages that was like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do this, but she was fine doing

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<v Speaker 3>it until there were other women that were involved.

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<v Speaker 2>When he went to what turks and can Cassie didn't have,

0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.120
<v Speaker 2>we didn't see, we didn't see out a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>outs for Cassie. When Cassie tried to get out, she

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<v Speaker 2>was dropped, kicked in her guts. She had people come

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<v Speaker 2>to her house and fifty messages on her phone in

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<v Speaker 2>one minute. Why wasn't she picking up? He was not

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<v Speaker 2>giving her that type of energy. I wasn't seeing that

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't have went Homeland Security came and spoke with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, if an officer is in front of you, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, please help me, please help me, please write nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, She's like, no, I still have to get

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<v Speaker 4>my rent paid.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm a juror and I'm watching that, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>only going with I can't take a word of what

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<v Speaker 2>she said is truth. And maybe she established some good

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<v Speaker 2>things potentially, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not going to be able to believe her.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can't believe her on some things, then I

0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.360
<v Speaker 2>can't believe her on all things. It's just is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. As far as just bringing some taking away

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<v Speaker 2>less of the credibility of other people who were credible.

0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I think she also did that a bit too. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the stress ball and the fidgeting definitely stopped on

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<v Speaker 2>that last day, certainly stopped at the huggy hug scene

0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:31.800
<v Speaker 2>around the world. Then let's get into Okay, here's my

0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.320
<v Speaker 2>take with this. Most people are feeling like they need

0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:42.040
<v Speaker 2>this extra extravagant evidence to just knock everything out of

0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the park. Right we you and I have discussed this.

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<v Speaker 2>How much more do they need? But the prosecution doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to create a masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not their job.

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<v Speaker 2>All they have to do is show within a ten

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<v Speaker 2>year period of time to crimes and more would help,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely the bear Man moments two. Let's just get

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<v Speaker 2>into real quick. Rico in general, Diddy was in a group.

0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.680
<v Speaker 2>So Jonathan on Friday made it come together when he said,

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<v Speaker 2>Kk's in charge of the sex and the worker, the girls,

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<v Speaker 2>the security's in charge of the money. Jess is in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of flying the escorts, Jane Doe, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>All around the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Fahim was also involved and did his thing with Rico

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<v Speaker 2>and only needing to prove two things. They've already established

0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a pattern of racketeering. They have different points under Rico

0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.120
<v Speaker 2>that you'd have to be able to prove. And remember

0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.160
<v Speaker 2>they only need the two but more as best drug trafficking,

0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Brendan kidnapping, Capricorns, sex trafficking, Cassie Jane. I think that

0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.800
<v Speaker 2>charge is going to get thrown out. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be able to reach it. With Jane Bribery,

0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Garcia, who had the hotel video fraud, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just basically deception, everybody, all the sex workers, everybody involved, extortion,

0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Cassie's mom extortedor for that twenty grand made her take

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<v Speaker 2>a loan out on her house.

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<v Speaker 1>Witness tampering.

0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean shit, he didn't even make bond because he

0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was witness tampering. And they found a money trail to

0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a girl that was asked to do an interview and

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<v Speaker 2>say all these.

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<v Speaker 1>People wanted it and that their takes are wrong.

0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Interstate transportation, all the escorts. We have established rico. Now

0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:30.200
<v Speaker 2>is the jury going to think it's rico? And these

0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 2>are the problems. This is a highly charged emotional case.

0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.080
<v Speaker 2>It's very difficult to dissect legal crimes when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>that state. We just saw it with Harvey Weinstein. That jury,

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<v Speaker 2>it just came back last week. One convicted, one acquittal,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the third one the judge had made them

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<v Speaker 2>go back so many times and finally they were like, look,

0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.760
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're sending each other death threats. At this point,

0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.600
<v Speaker 2>we do not fuck with each other.

0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:58.360
<v Speaker 1>It is a no for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not going back into that in doing it

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<v Speaker 2>to finally where the judge had to just say, no verdict, mistrial.

0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.919
<v Speaker 2>It's a split verdict is basically what something like that

0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.800
<v Speaker 2>is called. And I believe that that's what's going to

0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:14.560
<v Speaker 2>happen here. I think we have two transportation charges proved,

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<v Speaker 2>done and over.

0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I think Diddy knows that as well. I believe that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have sex trafficking with Cassie. I don't know about sex

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.560
<v Speaker 2>trafficking with Jane. Good luck with her and all of

0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:33.919
<v Speaker 2>her potted plants. I think that we have then left

0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:39.679
<v Speaker 2>this idea of does he get Rico? And Rico is

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<v Speaker 2>what we just established, And there's way more than two

0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.399
<v Speaker 2>within that ten year period. And I also was paying

0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.720
<v Speaker 2>attention to the times eras that they're utilizing. They're utilizing

0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>six years of his behavior. That means they got a

0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.920
<v Speaker 2>whole extra four. That means things could come. That means

0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.280
<v Speaker 2>somebody like KK who we're not seeing during this trial,

0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.639
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of people are sure giving her the

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<v Speaker 2>title of co conspirator d Rock Potentially there's a lot

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.240
<v Speaker 2>of chatter about him and others being co conspirators. They

0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.160
<v Speaker 2>may not show up here, but could there be cases

0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.520
<v Speaker 2>later on. We have it's a ten year period and

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution, the Feds have only investigated six within this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you've got kid Cuddie and the burglary and

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<v Speaker 4>the rs.

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<v Speaker 2>The burgulary the arsen yaw those are also added on

0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to all of that. But with the jury, here's now

0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.000
<v Speaker 2>where where we have a hard time because it's like

0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 2>watching a sports game as an analogy, you really love

0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 2>your team so much, you got matching heads to toe

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever on game day, and they just keep fumbling and

0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.760
<v Speaker 2>you keep yelling at the rest that's not the right call.

0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.879
<v Speaker 2>You are not going to believe that your team is

0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 2>not winning this now. Can can we get everybody to

0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:02.119
<v Speaker 2>take their pride off of their favorite team and be

0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 2>able to say, hey, he's guilty, or he lost, or

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>we lost, and in a highly charged emotional case, that

0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.400
<v Speaker 2>is a very difficult thing to do. Harvey Weinstein's case

0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.320
<v Speaker 2>just proved it. There's a juror number six. He's been replaced.

0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 2>They called it today, But they got rid of somebody

0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.680
<v Speaker 2>they felt would be horrible for them, probably deep down

0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.359
<v Speaker 2>who knows it that will ever be admitted. But there's

0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.879
<v Speaker 2>a few more that are going to be a little

0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 2>horrible for them. Because when Tenny was up there with

0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Jane Doe, a lot of the my reports of people

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that had eyes on they were like JURORSIX wasn't even

0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>really giving the back and forth, but they said people

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 2>were watching it like a reality TV show, and every

0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.280
<v Speaker 2>time Tenny went in and made that point, they were like, yes,

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:54.080
<v Speaker 2>like they're facially showing their feelings and there's more than

0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 2>just one, there's a few.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So maybe you know what that's allo so indicative

0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.240
<v Speaker 3>If they're that enthralled with that that exchange between Tenny

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.719
<v Speaker 3>and with Jane and during that section when the when

0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.600
<v Speaker 3>the defense is on cross with her, that means that

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 3>they're really captivated by what she's pulling out of her

0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 3>and the fact that she's pulling out that she's getting

0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 3>these expensive purses that she's you know, there's vacations, that

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 3>there's you know, parties.

0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 4>And all these things. That means that they're really they're

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 4>really paying attention to that.

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.359
<v Speaker 3>And again it goes back to the part where she's

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.960
<v Speaker 3>trying to establish where the prosecution is trying to establish

0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 3>that she's being coerced into this.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye not paying as much interest in that anymore.

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, not with her.

0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's hope that when they get into uh what is

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<v Speaker 2>it called when they all meet together for the first time.

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Is there a legal term for that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, let's let's let's when they get to the family

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 2>barbecue and everybody starts up. Let's let's hope that they

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:59.160
<v Speaker 2>have the discernment to understand that Cassie is one charge

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and Jane Doe is another unless not punished Cassie for

0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Jane Doe's secret garden. And so I think maybe he

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 2>gets one sex. I think I don't know that she

0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.920
<v Speaker 2>could wash away how effective Cassie was. But we need

0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>the We need Cassie's reminders back quickly. They need to

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 2>go back to her pictures, her footage, and her life,

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.120
<v Speaker 2>and they need to get as far away from Jane

0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Doe as they possibly can. I think most people should

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 2>because that doesn't she seems to be really willing to

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 2>do what's best for her at most times and also

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>be a victim.

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<v Speaker 5>Is she not getting child support her if her baby's

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.639
<v Speaker 5>added So when everybody started clowning her, including you know,

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 5>potentially her.

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh, people that are.

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Interconnected with her, I kind of thought to myself, what's

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.959
<v Speaker 2>the clown though, Because if you don't have enough money

0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.879
<v Speaker 2>to keep your baby under a crib that's safe and

0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.679
<v Speaker 2>create a healthy environment for your family, what's the clown?

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Because she had to go off doing all kinds of

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 2>craziness in order to allegedly protect her and her child

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and put a house put a roof over their head. However,

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.959
<v Speaker 2>that could be her theatrics, because it seems like she

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 2>really was in touch with the lifestyle and in touch

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.639
<v Speaker 2>with the scene, and you know, rumors on the street

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.760
<v Speaker 2>suggest all of that. So and then some well, I.

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Have a hard time believing that if your baby daddy

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.160
<v Speaker 3>is someone as.

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Big wealthy men get away from having to pay women

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 2>really high levels of child support all the time. It

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 2>just depends on how good of the lawyers you have

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.679
<v Speaker 2>and how unlawyered and pedigreed the girl is.

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine paying enough child support to be able

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.160
<v Speaker 3>to pay rent somewhere on your own.

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, listen, she wanted the ten thousand dollars

0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:01.840
<v Speaker 2>place versus like the you know, hundred with some government assistant,

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.199
<v Speaker 2>you have a child, like you could get by on

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot less. It's that she didn't want to, And

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that's where they're really just not getting foot force and

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>coercion out of it. For me, And I think for

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 2>if we've lost most of the women, we definitely have

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 2>lost them in oh absolutely, Yeah, So I think that

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that count's going to go bye by, But you never

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 2>know that. The biggest thing is the jury and where

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 2>they're going to go with it. But I do feel

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 2>that I do feel it was also pretty I think

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the defense has done a solid job at poking holes

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and many people. What we're going to have to see

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 2>now is can the prosecution do the same. And then also,

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 2>who does Diddy have taking the stand for him? Is

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the million dollar question. I know one person that's taking

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the stand for him there.

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Is the obvious suspects.

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Would be family and children because they're in court. I

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that's going to speak to anything relevant

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 2>criminally by making him sound like a good guy, and

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly hope none of his kids understood the criminal enterprise

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:13.160
<v Speaker 2>aspect of.

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Any of it. The one thing, though, that I do.

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Think is interesting is Rico suggests that you're at the

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 2>top and it can be an individual or individuals. It

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be individuals. It doesn't have to be

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 2>plural like they used to use in the mob worlds.

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 2>It can be just an individual. But I don't know.

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 2>I could argue, who's the person above Diddy, who's the

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 2>person above that person, who's the person above that person?

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you really think it stops at Diddy? There's an

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 2>entire industry. When I interviewed Shug Knight recently, he went

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>all the way up the trail, all the way back

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to where hip hop first started, in the room that

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 2>they sat in and decided whether or not they were

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 2>going to keep him pop for themselves in the community

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and create generational wealth, or whether they were going to

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 2>allow it to be in the hands of the industry

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>side of music, which means that at the very end

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>of the day, everyone's checks get lower and lower until

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you get to the very bottom, which is always the

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 2>artist who gets nothing.

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Usually. Wasn't should he was a supporter of Diddy at first,

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't he?

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 3>He came out and spoke and said that he didn't

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 3>think he should be convicted and he shouldn't go to prison.

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>So they take these soundbites per usual.

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>But from what I gathered, it's street code that you

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 2>don't ever want your people to go to prison. You

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>don't ever wish that on your enemies in the streets.

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 2>He follows street rules, in street code, that's how he

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>was raised. And he feels that no matter if he

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>likes you or doesn't like you, the street code is

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:52.919
<v Speaker 2>you do your best to defend and not wish anyone

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 2>in the streets, any of your people, to be put

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 2>in prison. So he honors that code. Does he think

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 2>what he was doing was wrong? Yeah, but he also

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>thinks he learned it from people above him. He made

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>a strong suggestion to me in our interview about where

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>do you think Like, He's like, you know, I am

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>around the same age I grew up, and you know,

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>they were all friends. They were very close to those founders,

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>those people in the very beginning of hip hop, when

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it started to become more mainstream. He's like, do you

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>think we sat around and just one day thought like

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I really want to see four you know, potentially gay

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>escorts or by escorts just pissing my girlfriend's mouth until

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 2>she chokes and then fuck her right after.

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Like we weren't.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>That wasn't an idea that floated around in our heads.

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>You learned that from somewhere. You learn it from somewhere.

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, And the fact that I always thought, and the

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 3>fact that everything it seemed so premeditated, that everything was

0:26:53.760 --> 0:27:00.080
<v Speaker 3>recorded and kept and kept categorically or however well.

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 2>It by ditty but Cassie or jo by Didy.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 3>So then to me, I don't know if I always

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 3>felt that did he had the foresight to do something

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 3>like that. It always felt to me like there was

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:15.360
<v Speaker 3>a higher power that said, why don't you let's do

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 3>this and keep this and use this.

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, sure, you know what.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anyone say that, But that's actually a

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>great theory, and other theories have been floated.

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, TJ asked me the other day.

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>He said, the one of the psychological definitions behind being

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>a cuck hold is that you want to experiment or

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>have an attraction more for male body parts and experiences

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 2>with men, but you potentially are in a position or

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 2>a status that you can't explore those desires, and so

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you have your partner do it and so you can

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>experience it for yourself. Almost that videos would allow somebody

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 2>to do that. You know, I don't see a lot

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of text messages about you know, excuse my language, but

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>let me see your pussy.

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>How wet is it?

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to eat your pussy. Let me see your

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>pussy lips. It's all what's the dicks? Where are the

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>dicks at? What do the dicks look like? Yeah, we're

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>having sex. This is fun, but I'm a little bored.

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's call somebody and have put his dick so we

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>can cast it onto the ceiling.

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of dicks.

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of Yeah.

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 4>When the first when it first came out with the.

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Sex track picking charges, I pictured women, and then as

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 3>everything's been revealed, it's men sex workers.

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I asked, Shu, could you be a black man in

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, becoming a hip hop mogul of this genre

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>running the streets, be taken seriously by the streets, which

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the culture of hip hop was born in the streets,

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 2>to bring that genre forward, to be the leaders of

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>that movement.

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Could you also be gay? The answer is no.

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>No, So I think you live a lifestyle where you're

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>suppressing potentially feelings that we know that he likes, seeing Dix.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>It's been said five million different ways at this point

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>on the stand allegedly, So that being said and established,

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, can you like Dix in that position? No?

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Did his position only get higher and higher, bigger and bigger.

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>More and more money.

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So then you suppress more, which is where drugs

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>become very handy because you don't have to think about

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>all the ways you're suppressing, which hurts your It hurts

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you inside, and then I think that's when the drugs

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>can get to a point where they're so out of control.

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I don't know where it goes from there.

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how credible any of the eighty civil

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 2>suits are.

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have to break it down one by one.

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's just a recent one. Did you see

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 4>that recent one? I think it was filed yesterday. Tell

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 4>me a new lawsuit by Chelsea Loveless.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 3>It mirrors Cassie venture As accusations almost identically.

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So freak offs with men.

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I haven't read it. I just read an article

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 3>that it was just filed, you know. And here's my question.

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Hey, by the way, do you notice how all the

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Jane does say he wanted to see the dicks. Even

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>in messages with Jane Doe, she says, all you care

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>about are dicks. I'm not going to be here for

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 2>your dick parties.

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Like pussy has not even been mentioned in this trial,

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>not one.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, he clearly has a preference.

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 3>The question is are his preferences to the level of

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 3>criminal activity or does he just have weird sexual proclivities.

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 4>And that's what jury has to decide.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>The jury doesn't have to decide it because at the

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, they have drug trafficking from Brendan,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>kidnapping from Capricorn, arson from kid Cutty, sex trafficking from

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Cassie Ivory from Eddie Garcia, fraud by everybody, extortion by

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Cassie's mom, witnessed tampering in the very beginning from vail

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>with Callina, allegedly an interstate transportation on all the escorts,

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>they have plenty and plenty of way, more than two

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>within a six year period, not a ten right, And

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I just don't I mean, unless in some world this

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>testimony that we're hearing is not within this period of time,

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 2>which I don't think the prosecution would make that mistake.

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>But Lord, I didn't see.

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the things the prosecution chose to do

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>as as the best of choices.

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know.

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I think the prosecution made a mistake.

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 3>When we were talking about was her name, Brianna, whoever

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 3>was held over the balcony?

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 4>What was yeah? Were they?

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, someone did beyond in diligence on that where

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 3>it came back that where she was showing the photos

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 3>of the next day, saying, these are the bruises I

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 3>got for being dangled over a.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 4>Balcony by Diddy.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 3>And then they come, you know, the defence has the

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 3>receipts that he was actually you know, touring with the

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 3>you know which.

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>By the way, victims, victims get times and dates wrong

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>all the time. But you should have figured that out

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>prior to putting her on the stand and had her say,

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought I.

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Recollected it here, but I'm realizing it could have been

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>at these other times too. I'm a drug addict, so

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm bad with timing. I mean, that's what she acknowledged

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>herself to be. But for me, I'm a drug addict

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was there to supply the drugs and get

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>everyone high. Can't trust it, sorry, Jane. I just loved

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>every moment of climbing and my rise to the top

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of being number one escored in.

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Those sex proclivities.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't trust it, sorry, Like who was the other one?

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Don?

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 2>And her misstating one story seven different ways. Sorry, There's

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a there's some that weren't strong choices. And

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>this is the Southern District, This is a ninety five

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>percent and conviction rate. I didn't think I would even

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>see a snaff foo, right, do you usually see this many?

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>When I saw Mark Garrigos be able to say they

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>got an eight pack.

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Of white women, that really was a lot.

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking to myself, with everything that we

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>all as a society have learned even since OJ and

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>watching the lawyer's brag about how they manipulated the time

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and the place right after Rodney King, et cetera, Like,

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>why is it that that you would even not choose

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>to operate.

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>With that, with the with the visual.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Impressions that are so strong on a jury inside court.

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know some of it just I

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know some of it is concerning. However,

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I do think they have proven all the charges except

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that second sex traffic game. Now, let me ask you

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>next trafficking there were two counts. I don't think that

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>they specifically said who the two counts were. Are they

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>suggesting it's Cassie and Jane or are they just saying

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>pick any of them?

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't know.

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 3>That's a good question because I'm not sure, because I

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>don't think it is specific I think it's just two counts.

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 4>And what are the two counts? I mean, we can.

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Definitely say Cassie, but I wouldn't say it was Jane

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 3>at all to me.

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 4>She just sell jealous rolls.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>It could be it could be Mia.

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there was.

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 3>Mia, which Mia, like you said before when we when

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 3>we had a discussion prior, you thought Mia was a

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 3>little game changing because she wasn't a girlfriend. She yes,

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 3>someone who was an assistant that was that was you know,

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 3>submitted to violence and all this and rape.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 4>There was rape. Forgot about that one.

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah on your list too, Rape on Cassie too.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So you know, I guess the issue is at

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 3>the end once the defense puts on their case, and

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 3>obviously they're going to have a lot of character witnesses

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to play to the jury's heart, right

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 3>because obviously if his children or.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 4>His mom or you know, anyone related to him is.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Going to testify, they're going to do so in a

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 3>way where he's a great dad, he's involved in our lives.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>No way KK testifies for him, right, Obviously the prosecution

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't get KK. If KK is off in the sunset somewhere,

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>she could still be charged with being a co conspirator next, correct,

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 2>what do they charge them back? Because I remember Jeffrey

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 2>and Glane, didn't Glane come only a couple months after

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey with her charges.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 4>I believe so, but I don't know a lot about

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 4>that case. But I think he was charged first and

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 4>that she was charged later.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's possible that there maybe they're holding out and

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>not don't want to give her immunity because they got

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 2>too much on her.

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I've seen her name pop up in

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>some civil suits.

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 2>If they have any proof of the things that are

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>in those civil suits, it ain't good.

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>But to not even have.

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 2>The bodyguard or d rock, I mean, I don't know

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>if they're just leaving space for cocaine inspirators to potentially

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>come out after this. I do think that they don't

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 2>have the full jury. Prosecution does not have the full

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.959
<v Speaker 2>jury with them. However, I think when they get back

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 2>into when they go back to the barbecue and everybody

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 2>sits down and starts looking through the paperwork we discussed

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>this you got to fill out. Do you think he

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>forced her? Yes?

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like she didn't want to do it?

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>At least in one occasion.

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, do you feel like he flew her across state

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>lines and then paid her to have sex with somebody? Yes,

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>that means guilty, right, So I think the paperwork takes

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the emotion out of it. However, if someone's highly emotional,

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 2>they might just say no, I don't feel that way.

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I don't see any way that

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 2>he gets off on all of it. I think Jane

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 2>muddied it up a good amount. At least she took

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>off one of those sex trafficking charges. Maybe convince them

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that Cassie might be some type of not credible as well.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Even at that, that's.

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Ten on ten per transportation charge. But with if you

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 2>get one of the sex trafficking charges thrown in, that's

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 2>another fifteen. How does one serve that? Do they serve

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 2>them consecutively? Do they How does it work in federal prison?

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I would assume it would be it

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 4>would be consecutively. So I don't know.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Stroke things did.

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.439
<v Speaker 2>He should get on the stand and tell the truth

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>about the industry. He said he should have his lawyers

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 2>talk to the other side's lawyers, strike up some kind

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of plea where you know he does a little bit

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of time, enough time to where he could handle it,

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 2>because she doesn't feel he could handle the type of

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 2>time show gas. And then he said he should get

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>up on that stand and tell the truth about how

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the industry is, what they did to him, who did

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it to him, and then what he went on and

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.240
<v Speaker 2>did to others, and that's the only way the industry

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>will change.

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I would think.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>If he were really out bad, if he had crashed

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>out and was down really bad, that could be a maneuver. However,

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel that Jane, she.

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Did her. She was a nice plant.

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>She bloomed and gave beautiful leaves and plant life to

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the world. So for me, I think that he's gonna

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>be cocky potentially going into this.

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I just don't.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't possibly see who's going to get up on

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the stand and tell us. The only thing we're going

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 2>to hear is these girls were all jealous over him

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and they wanted to do everything.

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, where's your proof?

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 2>We got to see all the text messages of them willing,

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>because we've already seen text messages that they weren't. We've

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>already seen text messages that he was manipulating, forcing people

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 2>coercing people. So even if someone gets on the stand

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and says, my daddy's great, he loves me, he's never

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>forced or coerce me.

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And what does.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>That have to do with the he has to other people?

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I think what's what happens is they're

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 3>just going to play to the jury's hearts and does

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.320
<v Speaker 3>the jury want to send this man away to prison

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 3>for life?

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 4>Who has children? And so they're going to focus on that.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 2>They're going to focus on the sentencing because they know

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>he's getting something right.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 3>And I think they're just going to try to play

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 3>to the jury's heartstrings, like do you want to send

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 3>this man away that has all these children that he's

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 3>responsible for. Look how close he is to his children.

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 3>They're here every day supporting him. His mom's here, you know,

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 3>he's close with his mom. They're going to try to

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 3>humanize him because what the prosecution has done is try

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 3>to dehumanize him, right, Like, you can put this man

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 3>away because he's just an evil man. He has no

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, he has nothing, there's nothing good about him.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 3>You can put him in jail for as long as

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you want. And then the defense is going to try

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 3>to humanize him. You know, he's a dad, he's a son,

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.959
<v Speaker 3>he has children, They care about him.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Where's the where's the defending the crimes going to come in?

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Is there any way to defend these?

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean they've been doing that on Cross obviously, but

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 3>then it's like, you know, who is the defense going

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>to put on as their case in chief? And that's

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 3>that's what's interesting, Like besides character witnesses of family and children.

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe him telling people he loves swinging, but I don't

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>even see the swinging label that they gave him, because

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>swinging requires you to have been in it. Swinging means

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.399
<v Speaker 2>everybody's swinging, everybody's in it, everybody's swinging. He was sitting

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>in the corner videotaping and jacking off. That's cuckholding. That's

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 2>different than swinging.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when they when they try to make it like

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 3>it's a like a lifestyle, like just like a swinging life.

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not what that is.

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 4>That's not like a swinging lifestyle.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 3>When when I think swinging lifestyle, I think all these

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, like boored couples in Orange Counties.

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, Mary, I have tons of friends of swing. Yeah,

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.919
<v Speaker 2>I have tons of friends of swing. It's not even

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a it's not even the consent part. It's just this

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>is not what we're seeing in all of this case

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 2>is not swinging. It's him in the corner, jacking off, instructing,

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 2>it's cutcolding.

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, I mean the question comes down to it.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.919
<v Speaker 4>And here's the thing. I think that there's both.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 3>When you're talking about someone like Jane, the question is

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 3>if it's sex trafficking.

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 4>The question, the legal question is was she coerced or

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 4>was it consensual?

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 3>And the problem with her testimony is you can go

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 3>back and forth.

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>You can with cassies also, and that's they might not

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>get either of the sex trafficking ones.

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, because.

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 3>If you're sitting there as a journ you go back

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 3>and forth and you go, oh, that sounds bad.

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 4>That's pretty violent. I can see why she did it.

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 3>And then they can just pull up another text where

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 3>it's like she's a willing participant and she's going along

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 3>with it.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 5>If planning it, planning it, coming up with it, coming

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 5>up with it, traveling, picking out escorts, saying I don't

0:41:58.080 --> 0:41:59.919
<v Speaker 5>like this one, taking a different one.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Asking for prices, she asked for one fifty per year,

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>four fifty per the three years she served and her

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>two years of her payment on her house. She put

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a price on it. The second she did that, she

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I was gone.

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I was out on her. She had me out.

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I just you know, one thing showed said, and I

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you about this. I was asking, is

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 2>this an overall systematic thing? Like the system has decided

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>it's so because, like I.

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Said, where do you stop at rico?

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 2>In the music industry, there's somebody above puff, there's somebody

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 2>above that, and there's somebody above that. They're answering to

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 2>many people up. And I said to I said to him, like, WHOA,

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 2>what does it look like to you?

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, well, let me just say this.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>The one thing that has been talked about this entire trial,

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that none of this could have happened without,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that made every single part of the behavior,

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>and every single person on the stand has.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Said it is drugs.

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 2>But yet there's not one drug charge.

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>That had me a little like I need to talk

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>to a lawyer about this because I'm either missing something

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>or that's a little sus unless.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 3>They're just trying to fit the drug trafficking into the

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 3>RICO aspect.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could just be trying to fit it.

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 4>So it's just convoluted in there.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 3>And as well as the drugs being the part of

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 3>the coercion where it's like you can't have free agency

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 3>and free.

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe including it would have lessened their ability to

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>prove RICO. But if they can't prove RICO a drug

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>charge in multiple drug charges because there's drug charges every

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 2>time they're traveling the drugs anywhere, that's a light.

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 1>That's that's like getting one.

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Of the mobsters on fraud signing a sending a piece

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of paper and sending it into that like, yeah, it's simple.

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't on murders, but it gave them life in prison,

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>like find the little things.

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But I guess they felt that.

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But by the way, I understand why they felt the

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>RICO was strong. Every single thing we just named. I

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>literally looked up the list. There was only two that

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with this case. Something with minors

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with this case, and then something else.

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 2>But other than that, there's way more than two. It's

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 2>within that ten year period of time. If you're following

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 2>the law, RICO is there, and it's pretty it's there strongly,

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>it's not there like maybe I don't know it's there.

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 2>If anything, Rico speaks to all the disgusting behavior that

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>we've heard.

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not just disgusting behavior.

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It's force, coercion, bribery, kidnapping, trafficking, fraud, extortion, witness tampering.

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Those things were like happening all the time. Those are

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the most consistent things.

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Sex trafficking were.

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 2>We got the girls had days where they wanted it

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and did it.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if that's going to hurt us

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>or not.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But to wrap this up because I just always love

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 2>revisiting last time, we thought it was a go on

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>all counts. Now, since we know Jane Doe, you know,

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>ran through the secret Garden, what are we thinking now?

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 2>On the two transportation charges?

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Are they still there?

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 4>My gut says no, because I really feel like her

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 4>testimony just.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 2>To transport, not sex trafficking, and two transport charges. I'm

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 2>going I'm going to give you all five two transports.

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 3>The transport charges yes, okay charges Yet the racket caring

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.919
<v Speaker 3>and conspiracy yes, sex trafficking I have a hard time with.

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Both of them are just cash I'm both.

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Because I feel I feel like Jane's testimony weekend, Cassies

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 3>took away from Cassies, and I feel like the jury

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 3>what they can do is kind of lump the two

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 3>together because a lot of their stories married each other.

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.359
<v Speaker 4>And then you lump them into just two women.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 3>That wanted to rise up, that wanted to get what

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 3>they could, that got money from him, that got their

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 3>rent paid, that got luxury items.

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:01.800
<v Speaker 4>They wanted to be a part of that world.

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you one difference.

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Cassie didn't look at Ditty once when she said she

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>reclaimed her truth.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Cassie never wavered.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Like that, and she didn't go and hug anybody, and

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 2>she was clear. She didn't say I wish him the best.

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 2>She said, this is what he did to me. I'm

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 2>reclaiming myself and my life back deuces. I could if

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the jury, I could see the difference between

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 2>her and the other girl. But I could I could

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 2>see how men would have a harder time than maybe

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>women could have dissecting the energy of women.

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 4>And the problem is the order that they put them on.

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<v Speaker 3>You put Cassie on first, and the clearly you want

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 3>to put Cassie on first, because she's she's profound, and

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's heart wrenching.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of reputations. By the way, reputation is a reputation.

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I've got plenty too. I mean, like it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>all of it's true. But I saw these drastic shifts

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<v Speaker 2>in her personality and the fact that she's the only

0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.399
<v Speaker 2>one that had Di Diddy fitted fidgeting. He fidgets when

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>he knows that something was supposed to go a certain

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>way and the bitch is bucking up and now he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting a little fidgety.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, so we're a you're a no, You're a

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<v Speaker 1>potential no on both touch set trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm praying that they can see through it and give

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<v Speaker 2>one what about rico final question?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I feel like there can't. I feel

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 3>like there's definitely Rico. When you think of it from

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 3>a legal perspective, here's what the prosecution needs to do,

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 3>and they're closing statement. They have to really really make

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.760
<v Speaker 3>it clear and concise and break it down for the jury.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the last thing they hear, and that's the

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 3>last thing in their mind, and they need to get

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<v Speaker 3>it right. Just like the way you listed it and

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 3>the way you broke it down. That's what the jury

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 3>needs to hear because everything's been so convoluted, with all

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 3>these different testimony and all these different people coming up,

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.319
<v Speaker 3>and you start to you start to break away from

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Rico and you start to just start to think that

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 3>it's just a relationship and he's just with a lot

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 3>of women and he's a Yes, the rap star and

0:47:58.080 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 3>that's yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got great lawyers and they're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>a really good job at closing, but they are going

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>to get to rebut that, and in their rebuttal is

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<v Speaker 2>when they need to do exactly what you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>What I just said with the with here, the points

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<v Speaker 2>of Rico. Here is exactly every testimony that proved each

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>one of those things, Thank you, good night, exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's see what happens. We're going into Diddy week. I

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.360
<v Speaker 2>think they have one more person on the stand today

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that's going, Oh, they have Brendan Paul, And then we're

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 2>going into I think someone who's going to basically give

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a legal analysis of what's been proven.

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<v Speaker 1>TH's far. What are those people called.

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 2>There's some job, but somebody that's basically going to break

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<v Speaker 2>it down for the jury, like what we just did

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 2>right now, this is what you've seen, this is what

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>we've proved. And then we go to Diddy and we're

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>going to have to see if he can give us

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 2>anybody compelling that. I don't need to hear any character witnesses.

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to hear about on the days where

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 2>he's nice and good. I don't care about that. That's

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 2>not what we're here to discuss. I want to hear

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 2>people say that these crimes didn't happen in it, and

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 2>I want to.

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 1>See proof as to how people are lying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well we'll see, I'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you again.

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<v Speaker 4>I miss you so much.

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's get let's have a real barbecue instead of

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the jury's barbecue.

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 4>We need a real family barbecue.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, all right, we'll do it soon. Okay, my love,

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it was good to seeing you.

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<v Speaker 4>You look beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye,