Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Ditty Trial.
Speaker 2: What's up everyone, This is Aubrey O'Day and this is
Speaker 2: TJ and Amy presents me Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.
Speaker 2: I am back with Emily Simpson. I am so excited
Speaker 2: to be talking to her again because we are just
Speaker 2: a gag girl. Me and you get together and we
Speaker 2: just start unloading on everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are We're not your typical reality stars, are we.
Speaker 1: Or maybe we are?
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 2: We're definitely two. We're definitely a duo not to be
Speaker 2: messed with. So let's let me do a little recap
Speaker 2: of Jane, just because she was on the stand for
Speaker 2: a good amount of time last week. And you know,
Speaker 2: I did one episode that was really trying to find
Speaker 2: as much compassion and grayson my heart as I could
Speaker 2: for her being a victim, but I also and so
Speaker 2: was able to parallel that with it seems like she
Speaker 2: somehow learned along the way how to manipulate people in
Speaker 2: order to get what she wanted out of situations as well.
Speaker 1: And that's a complicated thing too.
Speaker 2: It's a complicated, layered situation to enter into. She just
Speaker 2: kept on going down that train, though, didn't she and
Speaker 2: it got worse and worse for me. One thing I
Speaker 2: want to say, who gets on a stand for the
Speaker 2: prosecution and has not only just their home and their lifestyle,
Speaker 2: but they're a term knee paid for by the man
Speaker 2: that they are there to sit and call their abuser
Speaker 2: and the perpetrator and the person that should be going
Speaker 2: to jail for crimes. Can you explain that to me,
Speaker 2: because I haven't heard anything that makes any of that
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I found that part to be shocking, and I
Speaker 3: question the prosecution's desire to have her as a wis
Speaker 3: part because here's the.
Speaker 4: Way I looked at it.
Speaker 2: It's giving a pack of women, like Mark said, in
Speaker 2: a real way, girl, it's giving a pack of white women.
Speaker 3: This woman testified for over twenty four hours total over
Speaker 3: six day time period. I felt as if when you
Speaker 3: had Cassie testify first, it was very profound and I
Speaker 3: think you were enthralled by it. And I think we're
Speaker 3: captivated as to the level of coercion and violence. And
Speaker 3: I think when you lead with that, but then you
Speaker 3: end your case with someone like Jane, it doesn't work
Speaker 3: for the prosecution. I was siding with the defense on
Speaker 3: this one because I kept I kept looking at it.
Speaker 1: Like you're trying, but you couldn't get there.
Speaker 3: I was trying to get there, but you know, there
Speaker 3: were so many things that stood out to me, and
Speaker 3: one of those was shocking the fact that he still
Speaker 3: continues to pay for her attorney, and he continues to
Speaker 3: pay for her rent, and she's sitting on the stand
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, he coerced her into these situations.
Speaker 3: And I have a hard time finding that or believing that.
Speaker 3: And I hate to say that because I'm a woman's woman.
Speaker 2: Me too, I've had the same exact like literally called
Speaker 2: it the Jane Doe dilemma because it's a very hard thing.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what, as someone from the inside,
Speaker 2: some bits and pieces that I heard of from people
Speaker 2: inside the courtroom, and also because I know them so well.
Speaker 2: This was the first witness where Diddy was fidgeting a lot.
Speaker 2: It was giving I came here for you, but you
Speaker 2: torture me, so I'm gonna let you sweat a little
Speaker 2: bit she gave. She was giving cute and mild. She
Speaker 2: was giving, you know, a lot of details that were
Speaker 2: horrific and things like that in the very beginning, and
Speaker 2: then she had him squirming, he was fidgeting, and then
Speaker 2: she flipped, and then she flipped by the end and
Speaker 2: she gave it. She completely flipped on the Feds. To me,
Speaker 2: it was having to relive some of the horrific things
Speaker 2: that he did and on some things that she willingly
Speaker 2: asked for a lot of them. Was a lot more
Speaker 2: asking was going on with this one. Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: More jealousy, a lot more.
Speaker 2: Let me find the levels to which I could compete
Speaker 2: with the others.
Speaker 1: It was giving.
Speaker 2: I'm aware that there's a come up here. I have
Speaker 2: seen others come up. She saw Paul move on up.
Speaker 2: She saw young Miami move on up. She saw that
Speaker 2: you can move up in ranks and power. And I
Speaker 2: think all of the testimony that spoke to that really
Speaker 2: confused people. And I think that she did a really
Speaker 2: good job of making him squirm.
Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like this before?
Speaker 3: No. I thought it was shocking that he actually that
Speaker 3: he pays for her attorney. I mean, to me, that's
Speaker 3: a conflict of interest that you're sitting on the stand
Speaker 3: and you're supposed to be a witness for the prosecution and.
Speaker 1: Don't put her on the stamp prosecution.
Speaker 2: What are they doing is a paycheck that low with
Speaker 2: the AUSA, what's going on?
Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like, prosecute the prosecution better off
Speaker 3: just not calling her as a witness.
Speaker 4: Period at all.
Speaker 1: We were fine, she didn't.
Speaker 3: And I also feel and maybe I don't know how
Speaker 3: you feel about this, but I think when when Cassie testified,
Speaker 3: everything was so shocking, and that's what was stuck in
Speaker 3: the juror's minds. Yes, you desensitize everything that's going on
Speaker 3: when you continue to talk about it, and it gets
Speaker 3: less and less and less, and then it gets to
Speaker 3: the point where it's it's almost it looks as if
Speaker 3: it's a pattern of behavior. But these women are willingly
Speaker 3: going along with it.
Speaker 4: Because yes, what Jane looks like. And yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: her testimony takes away from Cassie's testimony because saluted it.
Speaker 4: You've talked about it repetitively, You've.
Speaker 2: Talked about being in competition with her.
Speaker 1: Gina Young Miami.
Speaker 2: Now we got a whole slew of girls that the
Speaker 2: jury hasn't even met or heard from. Now we just
Speaker 2: hear there's a bunch of girls that are cat fighting
Speaker 2: over this man. I mean, she literally took Cassie's power
Speaker 2: from her a bit. In respect to this trial and
Speaker 2: what has been established so far, super disappointing the fact
Speaker 2: that she is tied to potentially somebody that you know.
Speaker 2: She has made comments that there were issues with her
Speaker 2: baby's father and puff that combination right there is super
Speaker 2: sessed to me and all of.
Speaker 1: The levels in between our super sss.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: When she had reference to the father of her child,
Speaker 3: I've read somewhere and I don't know this if this
Speaker 3: is true, maybe you know this is he a well
Speaker 3: known rapper or someone in the music industry as well?
Speaker 1: Yes, very well, Okay, so this.
Speaker 4: Is my takeaway from that.
Speaker 3: She has a child with someone who is a well
Speaker 3: known rapper in the music industry. Then she's with Ditty
Speaker 3: and she's involved with him for these four years or
Speaker 3: however long it is. Then there's also the story about
Speaker 3: where she went on a private jet in Vegas with
Speaker 3: this other well.
Speaker 4: Known rapper who I don't know who that is. I
Speaker 4: can make it.
Speaker 1: Well, did you see who happened to walk into court?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Kanye showed up to court. Did I know there's a
Speaker 3: lot of speculation here.
Speaker 1: And he's been very pre pro ditty free Diddy.
Speaker 2: Let me jump in front of all this before it
Speaker 2: hits me next type of free Diddy potentially allegedly.
Speaker 4: Right, So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: Because this was my takeaway as someone who's not in
Speaker 3: the music industry. I looked at it as if Jane
Speaker 3: was someone who is putting herself into these situations, overtly
Speaker 3: putting herself into a situation where she's dating this rapper,
Speaker 3: she has a child with them, then she's with Diddy,
Speaker 3: then she's going on a private jet with this other
Speaker 3: rapper and they're doing a freak off in a hotel.
Speaker 3: And I understand that she wasn't a participant, However, she watched.
Speaker 3: And it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone
Speaker 3: and feel like someone is a victim when they are
Speaker 3: putting themselves in this situation.
Speaker 2: It was hard for me to feel sorry when Cassie's
Speaker 2: lawsuit dropped and she was still with him, then gave
Speaker 2: him her price, then then did more freak offs than
Speaker 2: the Cassie video of her getting beat dropped, and she
Speaker 2: still stayed with him, and she even looked over different
Speaker 2: takes that he did of his apology video and let
Speaker 2: him know that she didn't feel the one she saw
Speaker 2: was sincere enough. She lost me when she was on
Speaker 2: her way to New York with her her striper heels
Speaker 2: and the pink cocaine or whatever in her carry on,
Speaker 2: heading to New York to the same hotel that he
Speaker 2: gets arrested in that night where he was supposed to
Speaker 2: have a freak off. She has all the way lost me.
Speaker 2: The lawsuits have showed her. She said she felt like
Speaker 2: she was reading a tell all book. Well, if you
Speaker 2: read the tell all book, girl, then ride. This is
Speaker 2: the point where you take your power. And she talks
Speaker 2: about working with the criminal defense team the entire time
Speaker 2: up until the very end when she's deciding to get
Speaker 2: her power back.
Speaker 1: But get what power back?
Speaker 2: Because your bills are still being paid by the man
Speaker 2: sitting in front of you on trial.
Speaker 1: You didn't get any of your power back.
Speaker 2: You could take some of those OnlyFans coins and gotten
Speaker 2: yourself an apartment that costs less than ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month. I think she took that stand because Diddy,
Speaker 2: from what I knew from the.
Speaker 1: Beginning, and a lot of these documentaries.
Speaker 2: Is there were potential plants potted everywhere. Plants, plants, plants,
Speaker 2: look left, look right, they're right in front of you,
Speaker 2: is what I was told. I think that her testimony
Speaker 2: did some major damage to the prosecution, and it makes
Speaker 2: me wonder if she decided to take that stand for
Speaker 2: the prosecution.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think she did what the expectation was
Speaker 3: of the prosecution, which she answered the question. She talks
Speaker 3: about how she said, you know, I didn't want to
Speaker 3: do it, and they showed texts of her saying, I'm
Speaker 3: not an animal, I'm not a robot, I'm not.
Speaker 4: A porn star.
Speaker 5: That's not criminal, right, And the defense comes back on
Speaker 5: on cross and they have her read text after text
Speaker 5: after text where she's saying things like, thank you for
Speaker 5: setting it up.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it. I had a great time.
Speaker 2: And then the Star party shot Kobe and Michael.
Speaker 3: So I'm still in shock that the prosecution thought that
Speaker 3: that was the way to go.
Speaker 2: I'm in shock with the humors that they've made so far.
Speaker 2: You know, we went wrong with with Don Richard being
Speaker 2: very inconsistent on the stand, and within your own depositions,
Speaker 2: you could have found those inconsistencies, yet you still chose
Speaker 2: to do it. We had an issue with Bona. What
Speaker 2: was Bona's name, Bona, that was her nickname, the best friend.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask you your opinion on.
Speaker 2: That, Brianna, I believe dangling off the balcony, but you're
Speaker 2: much taller. The weight differences, the fact that he wasn't
Speaker 2: there when she said it occurred, the fact that she
Speaker 2: had spoken with Cassie and that maybe stories had been
Speaker 2: you know, discussed and potentially collaborated on prior to dropping
Speaker 2: a civil lawsuit, which she does have a lot of
Speaker 2: these things they've been able to poke some serious holes in.
Speaker 2: So then now, I mean I was literally all week
Speaker 2: just like I just didn't even want to look because
Speaker 2: for what I believe to be true and for what
Speaker 2: I believe they still have. And I want to get
Speaker 2: into that with you, because taking emotion out of it
Speaker 2: and getting back to the law, I want the law
Speaker 2: to speak over everything else. But that was a messy, mess,
Speaker 2: mess mess. I felt like I was in a garden
Speaker 2: of plants all over. I was in the motherfucking secret
Speaker 2: garden of plant life. And I don't I wish I
Speaker 2: wish I could understand why the prosecution felt that that
Speaker 2: was necessary and at least made us understand. Maybe we're
Speaker 2: going to understand it once they bring the person on
Speaker 2: this week that's going to sum it all up for
Speaker 2: everybody and break it down. But let's try to do
Speaker 2: a little of that ourselves. So basically everybody's kind of
Speaker 2: Oh one more thing. I wanted to ask you, what
Speaker 2: is with the hugging of Tenny when she gets off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it was giving like Amber Herd theatric that
Speaker 2: by the way, I love you know, I support all victims,
Speaker 2: But what was that?
Speaker 3: I thought that was strange too, because first of all,
Speaker 3: I mean, we do know that she worked with the
Speaker 3: defense for weeks and weeks before she switched over to
Speaker 3: the prosecution, So.
Speaker 4: She clearly clearly had a rapport with Tenny.
Speaker 3: And I know they got into it on the stand
Speaker 3: a little over the Botega bag and how much you know,
Speaker 3: her bodies were.
Speaker 4: She got snappy with her.
Speaker 2: She got snappy, and the jurors were eating it up.
Speaker 2: And the jurors were eating up Tenny, not.
Speaker 3: Jane do right, And so I think at the end,
Speaker 3: I think that hug with prosecution but then the hug
Speaker 3: with Tinny just goes to show you that she has
Speaker 3: a rapport with the defense and that you know she
Speaker 3: has a rapport with Tenny, And I don't know how
Speaker 3: the jurors can see that and look at that and
Speaker 3: think that she's a credible witness.
Speaker 4: To me, it just looks like she's playing both sides.
Speaker 4: And then when the defense came on and they cross
Speaker 4: examined her, it was I thought it was pretty clear
Speaker 4: to show.
Speaker 3: To me, it looked like a complicated relationship with Sean
Speaker 3: Combs where she.
Speaker 4: Got yes of other women yea, and she got jealous.
Speaker 3: That's when she sent text messages that was like I
Speaker 3: don't want to do this, but she was fine doing
Speaker 3: it until there were other women that were involved.
Speaker 2: When he went to what turks and can Cassie didn't have,
Speaker 2: we didn't see, we didn't see out a ton of
Speaker 2: outs for Cassie. When Cassie tried to get out, she
Speaker 2: was dropped, kicked in her guts. She had people come
Speaker 2: to her house and fifty messages on her phone in
Speaker 2: one minute. Why wasn't she picking up? He was not
Speaker 2: giving her that type of energy. I wasn't seeing that
Speaker 2: she didn't have went Homeland Security came and spoke with her.
Speaker 1: Certainly, if an officer is in front of you, you can.
Speaker 2: Say, please help me, please help me, please write nothing.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, She's like, no, I still have to get
Speaker 4: my rent paid.
Speaker 2: If I'm a juror and I'm watching that, I'm not
Speaker 2: only going with I can't take a word of what
Speaker 2: she said is truth. And maybe she established some good
Speaker 2: things potentially, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Not going to be able to believe her.
Speaker 2: If I can't believe her on some things, then I
Speaker 2: can't believe her on all things. It's just is what
Speaker 2: it is. As far as just bringing some taking away
Speaker 2: less of the credibility of other people who were credible.
Speaker 2: I think she also did that a bit too. I
Speaker 2: think the stress ball and the fidgeting definitely stopped on
Speaker 2: that last day, certainly stopped at the huggy hug scene
Speaker 2: around the world. Then let's get into Okay, here's my
Speaker 2: take with this. Most people are feeling like they need
Speaker 2: this extra extravagant evidence to just knock everything out of
Speaker 2: the park. Right we you and I have discussed this.
Speaker 2: How much more do they need? But the prosecution doesn't
Speaker 2: have to create a masterpiece.
Speaker 1: That's not their job.
Speaker 2: All they have to do is show within a ten
Speaker 2: year period of time to crimes and more would help,
Speaker 2: but definitely the bear Man moments two. Let's just get
Speaker 2: into real quick. Rico in general, Diddy was in a group.
Speaker 2: So Jonathan on Friday made it come together when he said,
Speaker 2: Kk's in charge of the sex and the worker, the girls,
Speaker 2: the security's in charge of the money. Jess is in
Speaker 2: charge of flying the escorts, Jane Doe, etc.
Speaker 1: All around the country.
Speaker 2: Fahim was also involved and did his thing with Rico
Speaker 2: and only needing to prove two things. They've already established
Speaker 2: a pattern of racketeering. They have different points under Rico
Speaker 2: that you'd have to be able to prove. And remember
Speaker 2: they only need the two but more as best drug trafficking,
Speaker 2: Brendan kidnapping, Capricorns, sex trafficking, Cassie Jane. I think that
Speaker 2: charge is going to get thrown out. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to reach it. With Jane Bribery,
Speaker 2: Eddie Garcia, who had the hotel video fraud, which is
Speaker 2: just basically deception, everybody, all the sex workers, everybody involved, extortion,
Speaker 2: Cassie's mom extortedor for that twenty grand made her take
Speaker 2: a loan out on her house.
Speaker 1: Witness tampering.
Speaker 2: I mean shit, he didn't even make bond because he
Speaker 2: was witness tampering. And they found a money trail to
Speaker 2: a girl that was asked to do an interview and
Speaker 2: say all these.
Speaker 1: People wanted it and that their takes are wrong.
Speaker 2: Interstate transportation, all the escorts. We have established rico. Now
Speaker 2: is the jury going to think it's rico? And these
Speaker 2: are the problems. This is a highly charged emotional case.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to dissect legal crimes when you're in
Speaker 2: that state. We just saw it with Harvey Weinstein. That jury,
Speaker 2: it just came back last week. One convicted, one acquittal,
Speaker 2: and by the third one the judge had made them
Speaker 2: go back so many times and finally they were like, look,
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're sending each other death threats. At this point,
Speaker 2: we do not fuck with each other.
Speaker 1: It is a no for us.
Speaker 2: We are not going back into that in doing it
Speaker 2: to finally where the judge had to just say, no verdict, mistrial.
Speaker 2: It's a split verdict is basically what something like that
Speaker 2: is called. And I believe that that's what's going to
Speaker 2: happen here. I think we have two transportation charges proved,
Speaker 2: done and over.
Speaker 1: I think Diddy knows that as well. I believe that we.
Speaker 2: Have sex trafficking with Cassie. I don't know about sex
Speaker 2: trafficking with Jane. Good luck with her and all of
Speaker 2: her potted plants. I think that we have then left
Speaker 2: this idea of does he get Rico? And Rico is
Speaker 2: what we just established, And there's way more than two
Speaker 2: within that ten year period. And I also was paying
Speaker 2: attention to the times eras that they're utilizing. They're utilizing
Speaker 2: six years of his behavior. That means they got a
Speaker 2: whole extra four. That means things could come. That means
Speaker 2: somebody like KK who we're not seeing during this trial,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people are sure giving her the
Speaker 2: title of co conspirator d Rock Potentially there's a lot
Speaker 2: of chatter about him and others being co conspirators. They
Speaker 2: may not show up here, but could there be cases
Speaker 2: later on. We have it's a ten year period and
Speaker 2: the prosecution, the Feds have only investigated six within this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've got kid Cuddie and the burglary and
Speaker 4: the rs.
Speaker 2: The burgulary the arsen yaw those are also added on
Speaker 2: to all of that. But with the jury, here's now
Speaker 2: where where we have a hard time because it's like
Speaker 2: watching a sports game as an analogy, you really love
Speaker 2: your team so much, you got matching heads to toe
Speaker 2: whatever on game day, and they just keep fumbling and
Speaker 2: you keep yelling at the rest that's not the right call.
Speaker 2: You are not going to believe that your team is
Speaker 2: not winning this now. Can can we get everybody to
Speaker 2: take their pride off of their favorite team and be
Speaker 2: able to say, hey, he's guilty, or he lost, or
Speaker 2: we lost, and in a highly charged emotional case, that
Speaker 2: is a very difficult thing to do. Harvey Weinstein's case
Speaker 2: just proved it. There's a juror number six. He's been replaced.
Speaker 2: They called it today, But they got rid of somebody
Speaker 2: they felt would be horrible for them, probably deep down
Speaker 2: who knows it that will ever be admitted. But there's
Speaker 2: a few more that are going to be a little
Speaker 2: horrible for them. Because when Tenny was up there with
Speaker 2: Jane Doe, a lot of the my reports of people
Speaker 2: that had eyes on they were like JURORSIX wasn't even
Speaker 2: really giving the back and forth, but they said people
Speaker 2: were watching it like a reality TV show, and every
Speaker 2: time Tenny went in and made that point, they were like, yes,
Speaker 2: like they're facially showing their feelings and there's more than
Speaker 2: just one, there's a few.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe you know what that's allo so indicative
Speaker 3: If they're that enthralled with that that exchange between Tenny
Speaker 3: and with Jane and during that section when the when
Speaker 3: the defense is on cross with her, that means that
Speaker 3: they're really captivated by what she's pulling out of her
Speaker 3: and the fact that she's pulling out that she's getting
Speaker 3: these expensive purses that she's you know, there's vacations, that
Speaker 3: there's you know, parties.
Speaker 4: And all these things. That means that they're really they're
Speaker 4: really paying attention to that.
Speaker 3: And again it goes back to the part where she's
Speaker 3: trying to establish where the prosecution is trying to establish
Speaker 3: that she's being coerced into this.
Speaker 4: Ye not paying as much interest in that anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, not with her.
Speaker 2: Let's hope that when they get into uh what is
Speaker 2: it called when they all meet together for the first time.
Speaker 1: Is there a legal term for that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Uh, let's let's let's when they get to the family
Speaker 2: barbecue and everybody starts up. Let's let's hope that they
Speaker 2: have the discernment to understand that Cassie is one charge
Speaker 2: and Jane Doe is another unless not punished Cassie for
Speaker 2: Jane Doe's secret garden. And so I think maybe he
Speaker 2: gets one sex. I think I don't know that she
Speaker 2: could wash away how effective Cassie was. But we need
Speaker 2: the We need Cassie's reminders back quickly. They need to
Speaker 2: go back to her pictures, her footage, and her life,
Speaker 2: and they need to get as far away from Jane
Speaker 2: Doe as they possibly can. I think most people should
Speaker 2: because that doesn't she seems to be really willing to
Speaker 2: do what's best for her at most times and also
Speaker 2: be a victim.
Speaker 5: Is she not getting child support her if her baby's
Speaker 5: added So when everybody started clowning her, including you know,
Speaker 5: potentially her.
Speaker 1: Uh, people that are.
Speaker 2: Interconnected with her, I kind of thought to myself, what's
Speaker 2: the clown though, Because if you don't have enough money
Speaker 2: to keep your baby under a crib that's safe and
Speaker 2: create a healthy environment for your family, what's the clown?
Speaker 2: Because she had to go off doing all kinds of
Speaker 2: craziness in order to allegedly protect her and her child
Speaker 2: and put a house put a roof over their head. However,
Speaker 2: that could be her theatrics, because it seems like she
Speaker 2: really was in touch with the lifestyle and in touch
Speaker 2: with the scene, and you know, rumors on the street
Speaker 2: suggest all of that. So and then some well, I.
Speaker 3: Have a hard time believing that if your baby daddy
Speaker 3: is someone as.
Speaker 2: Big wealthy men get away from having to pay women
Speaker 2: really high levels of child support all the time. It
Speaker 2: just depends on how good of the lawyers you have
Speaker 2: and how unlawyered and pedigreed the girl is.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine paying enough child support to be able
Speaker 3: to pay rent somewhere on your own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, she wanted the ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: place versus like the you know, hundred with some government assistant,
Speaker 2: you have a child, like you could get by on
Speaker 2: a lot less. It's that she didn't want to, And
Speaker 2: that's where they're really just not getting foot force and
Speaker 2: coercion out of it. For me, And I think for
Speaker 2: if we've lost most of the women, we definitely have
Speaker 2: lost them in oh absolutely, Yeah, So I think that
Speaker 2: that count's going to go bye by, But you never
Speaker 2: know that. The biggest thing is the jury and where
Speaker 2: they're going to go with it. But I do feel
Speaker 2: that I do feel it was also pretty I think
Speaker 2: the defense has done a solid job at poking holes
Speaker 2: and many people. What we're going to have to see
Speaker 2: now is can the prosecution do the same. And then also,
Speaker 2: who does Diddy have taking the stand for him? Is
Speaker 2: the million dollar question. I know one person that's taking
Speaker 2: the stand for him there.
Speaker 1: Is the obvious suspects.
Speaker 2: Would be family and children because they're in court. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that's going to speak to anything relevant
Speaker 2: criminally by making him sound like a good guy, and
Speaker 2: certainly hope none of his kids understood the criminal enterprise
Speaker 2: aspect of.
Speaker 1: Any of it. The one thing, though, that I do.
Speaker 2: Think is interesting is Rico suggests that you're at the
Speaker 2: top and it can be an individual or individuals. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be individuals. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: plural like they used to use in the mob worlds.
Speaker 2: It can be just an individual. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I could argue, who's the person above Diddy, who's the
Speaker 2: person above that person, who's the person above that person?
Speaker 2: Do you really think it stops at Diddy? There's an
Speaker 2: entire industry. When I interviewed Shug Knight recently, he went
Speaker 2: all the way up the trail, all the way back
Speaker 2: to where hip hop first started, in the room that
Speaker 2: they sat in and decided whether or not they were
Speaker 2: going to keep him pop for themselves in the community
Speaker 2: and create generational wealth, or whether they were going to
Speaker 2: allow it to be in the hands of the industry
Speaker 2: side of music, which means that at the very end
Speaker 2: of the day, everyone's checks get lower and lower until
Speaker 2: you get to the very bottom, which is always the
Speaker 2: artist who gets nothing.
Speaker 4: Usually. Wasn't should he was a supporter of Diddy at first,
Speaker 4: Wasn't he?
Speaker 3: He came out and spoke and said that he didn't
Speaker 3: think he should be convicted and he shouldn't go to prison.
Speaker 1: So they take these soundbites per usual.
Speaker 2: But from what I gathered, it's street code that you
Speaker 2: don't ever want your people to go to prison. You
Speaker 2: don't ever wish that on your enemies in the streets.
Speaker 2: He follows street rules, in street code, that's how he
Speaker 2: was raised. And he feels that no matter if he
Speaker 2: likes you or doesn't like you, the street code is
Speaker 2: you do your best to defend and not wish anyone
Speaker 2: in the streets, any of your people, to be put
Speaker 2: in prison. So he honors that code. Does he think
Speaker 2: what he was doing was wrong? Yeah, but he also
Speaker 2: thinks he learned it from people above him. He made
Speaker 2: a strong suggestion to me in our interview about where
Speaker 2: do you think Like, He's like, you know, I am
Speaker 2: around the same age I grew up, and you know,
Speaker 2: they were all friends. They were very close to those founders,
Speaker 2: those people in the very beginning of hip hop, when
Speaker 2: it started to become more mainstream. He's like, do you
Speaker 2: think we sat around and just one day thought like
Speaker 2: I really want to see four you know, potentially gay
Speaker 2: escorts or by escorts just pissing my girlfriend's mouth until
Speaker 2: she chokes and then fuck her right after.
Speaker 1: Like we weren't.
Speaker 2: That wasn't an idea that floated around in our heads.
Speaker 2: You learned that from somewhere. You learn it from somewhere.
Speaker 3: Well, And the fact that I always thought, and the
Speaker 3: fact that everything it seemed so premeditated, that everything was
Speaker 3: recorded and kept and kept categorically or however well.
Speaker 2: It by ditty but Cassie or jo by Didy.
Speaker 3: So then to me, I don't know if I always
Speaker 3: felt that did he had the foresight to do something
Speaker 3: like that. It always felt to me like there was
Speaker 3: a higher power that said, why don't you let's do
Speaker 3: this and keep this and use this.
Speaker 1: You know, sure, you know what.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anyone say that, But that's actually a
Speaker 2: great theory, and other theories have been floated.
Speaker 1: I mean, TJ asked me the other day.
Speaker 2: He said, the one of the psychological definitions behind being
Speaker 2: a cuck hold is that you want to experiment or
Speaker 2: have an attraction more for male body parts and experiences
Speaker 2: with men, but you potentially are in a position or
Speaker 2: a status that you can't explore those desires, and so
Speaker 2: you have your partner do it and so you can
Speaker 2: experience it for yourself. Almost that videos would allow somebody
Speaker 2: to do that. You know, I don't see a lot
Speaker 2: of text messages about you know, excuse my language, but
Speaker 2: let me see your pussy.
Speaker 1: How wet is it?
Speaker 2: I want to eat your pussy. Let me see your
Speaker 2: pussy lips. It's all what's the dicks? Where are the
Speaker 2: dicks at? What do the dicks look like? Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: having sex. This is fun, but I'm a little bored.
Speaker 2: Let's call somebody and have put his dick so we
Speaker 2: can cast it onto the ceiling.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dicks.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: When the first when it first came out with the.
Speaker 3: Sex track picking charges, I pictured women, and then as
Speaker 3: everything's been revealed, it's men sex workers.
Speaker 2: I asked, Shu, could you be a black man in
Speaker 2: the nineties, becoming a hip hop mogul of this genre
Speaker 2: running the streets, be taken seriously by the streets, which
Speaker 2: the culture of hip hop was born in the streets,
Speaker 2: to bring that genre forward, to be the leaders of
Speaker 2: that movement.
Speaker 1: Could you also be gay? The answer is no.
Speaker 2: No, So I think you live a lifestyle where you're
Speaker 2: suppressing potentially feelings that we know that he likes, seeing Dix.
Speaker 2: It's been said five million different ways at this point
Speaker 2: on the stand allegedly, So that being said and established,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, can you like Dix in that position? No?
Speaker 2: Did his position only get higher and higher, bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: More and more money.
Speaker 2: Yes, So then you suppress more, which is where drugs
Speaker 2: become very handy because you don't have to think about
Speaker 2: all the ways you're suppressing, which hurts your It hurts
Speaker 2: you inside, and then I think that's when the drugs
Speaker 2: can get to a point where they're so out of control.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know where it goes from there.
Speaker 2: I don't know how credible any of the eighty civil
Speaker 2: suits are.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to break it down one by one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's just a recent one. Did you see
Speaker 4: that recent one? I think it was filed yesterday. Tell
Speaker 4: me a new lawsuit by Chelsea Loveless.
Speaker 3: It mirrors Cassie venture As accusations almost identically.
Speaker 1: So freak offs with men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't read it. I just read an article
Speaker 3: that it was just filed, you know. And here's my question.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, do you notice how all the
Speaker 2: Jane does say he wanted to see the dicks. Even
Speaker 2: in messages with Jane Doe, she says, all you care
Speaker 2: about are dicks. I'm not going to be here for
Speaker 2: your dick parties.
Speaker 1: Like pussy has not even been mentioned in this trial,
Speaker 1: not one.
Speaker 4: Well, he clearly has a preference.
Speaker 3: The question is are his preferences to the level of
Speaker 3: criminal activity or does he just have weird sexual proclivities.
Speaker 4: And that's what jury has to decide.
Speaker 2: The jury doesn't have to decide it because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, they have drug trafficking from Brendan,
Speaker 2: kidnapping from Capricorn, arson from kid Cutty, sex trafficking from
Speaker 2: Cassie Ivory from Eddie Garcia, fraud by everybody, extortion by
Speaker 2: Cassie's mom, witnessed tampering in the very beginning from vail
Speaker 2: with Callina, allegedly an interstate transportation on all the escorts,
Speaker 2: they have plenty and plenty of way, more than two
Speaker 2: within a six year period, not a ten right, And
Speaker 2: I just don't I mean, unless in some world this
Speaker 2: testimony that we're hearing is not within this period of time,
Speaker 2: which I don't think the prosecution would make that mistake.
Speaker 1: But Lord, I didn't see.
Speaker 2: A lot of the things the prosecution chose to do
Speaker 2: as as the best of choices.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think the prosecution made a mistake.
Speaker 3: When we were talking about was her name, Brianna, whoever
Speaker 3: was held over the balcony?
Speaker 4: What was yeah? Were they?
Speaker 3: I mean, someone did beyond in diligence on that where
Speaker 3: it came back that where she was showing the photos
Speaker 3: of the next day, saying, these are the bruises I
Speaker 3: got for being dangled over a.
Speaker 4: Balcony by Diddy.
Speaker 3: And then they come, you know, the defence has the
Speaker 3: receipts that he was actually you know, touring with the
Speaker 3: you know which.
Speaker 2: By the way, victims, victims get times and dates wrong
Speaker 2: all the time. But you should have figured that out
Speaker 2: prior to putting her on the stand and had her say,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I.
Speaker 2: Recollected it here, but I'm realizing it could have been
Speaker 2: at these other times too. I'm a drug addict, so
Speaker 2: I'm bad with timing. I mean, that's what she acknowledged
Speaker 2: herself to be. But for me, I'm a drug addict
Speaker 2: and I was there to supply the drugs and get
Speaker 2: everyone high. Can't trust it, sorry, Jane. I just loved
Speaker 2: every moment of climbing and my rise to the top
Speaker 2: of being number one escored in.
Speaker 1: Those sex proclivities.
Speaker 2: I can't trust it, sorry, Like who was the other one?
Speaker 3: Don?
Speaker 2: And her misstating one story seven different ways. Sorry, There's
Speaker 2: there's there's a there's some that weren't strong choices. And
Speaker 2: this is the Southern District, This is a ninety five
Speaker 2: percent and conviction rate. I didn't think I would even
Speaker 2: see a snaff foo, right, do you usually see this many?
Speaker 2: When I saw Mark Garrigos be able to say they
Speaker 2: got an eight pack.
Speaker 1: Of white women, that really was a lot.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking to myself, with everything that we
Speaker 2: all as a society have learned even since OJ and
Speaker 2: watching the lawyer's brag about how they manipulated the time
Speaker 2: and the place right after Rodney King, et cetera, Like,
Speaker 2: why is it that that you would even not choose
Speaker 2: to operate.
Speaker 1: With that, with the with the visual.
Speaker 2: Impressions that are so strong on a jury inside court.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know some of it just I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know some of it is concerning. However,
Speaker 2: I do think they have proven all the charges except
Speaker 2: that second sex traffic game. Now, let me ask you
Speaker 2: next trafficking there were two counts. I don't think that
Speaker 2: they specifically said who the two counts were. Are they
Speaker 2: suggesting it's Cassie and Jane or are they just saying
Speaker 2: pick any of them?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I'm not sure, because I
Speaker 3: don't think it is specific I think it's just two counts.
Speaker 4: And what are the two counts? I mean, we can.
Speaker 3: Definitely say Cassie, but I wouldn't say it was Jane
Speaker 3: at all to me.
Speaker 4: She just sell jealous rolls.
Speaker 1: It could be it could be Mia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was.
Speaker 3: Mia, which Mia, like you said before when we when
Speaker 3: we had a discussion prior, you thought Mia was a
Speaker 3: little game changing because she wasn't a girlfriend. She yes,
Speaker 3: someone who was an assistant that was that was you know,
Speaker 3: submitted to violence and all this and rape.
Speaker 4: There was rape. Forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah on your list too, Rape on Cassie too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I guess the issue is at
Speaker 3: the end once the defense puts on their case, and
Speaker 3: obviously they're going to have a lot of character witnesses
Speaker 3: and they're going to play to the jury's heart, right
Speaker 3: because obviously if his children or.
Speaker 4: His mom or you know, anyone related to him is.
Speaker 3: Going to testify, they're going to do so in a
Speaker 3: way where he's a great dad, he's involved in our lives.
Speaker 2: No way KK testifies for him, right, Obviously the prosecution
Speaker 2: didn't get KK. If KK is off in the sunset somewhere,
Speaker 2: she could still be charged with being a co conspirator next, correct,
Speaker 2: what do they charge them back? Because I remember Jeffrey
Speaker 2: and Glane, didn't Glane come only a couple months after
Speaker 2: Jeffrey with her charges.
Speaker 4: I believe so, but I don't know a lot about
Speaker 4: that case. But I think he was charged first and
Speaker 4: that she was charged later.
Speaker 2: So it's possible that there maybe they're holding out and
Speaker 2: not don't want to give her immunity because they got
Speaker 2: too much on her.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've seen her name pop up in
Speaker 1: some civil suits.
Speaker 2: If they have any proof of the things that are
Speaker 2: in those civil suits, it ain't good.
Speaker 1: But to not even have.
Speaker 2: The bodyguard or d rock, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're just leaving space for cocaine inspirators to potentially
Speaker 2: come out after this. I do think that they don't
Speaker 2: have the full jury. Prosecution does not have the full
Speaker 2: jury with them. However, I think when they get back
Speaker 2: into when they go back to the barbecue and everybody
Speaker 2: sits down and starts looking through the paperwork we discussed
Speaker 2: this you got to fill out. Do you think he
Speaker 2: forced her? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like she didn't want to do it?
Speaker 1: At least in one occasion.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you feel like he flew her across state
Speaker 2: lines and then paid her to have sex with somebody? Yes,
Speaker 2: that means guilty, right, So I think the paperwork takes
Speaker 2: the emotion out of it. However, if someone's highly emotional,
Speaker 2: they might just say no, I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't see any way that
Speaker 2: he gets off on all of it. I think Jane
Speaker 2: muddied it up a good amount. At least she took
Speaker 2: off one of those sex trafficking charges. Maybe convince them
Speaker 2: that Cassie might be some type of not credible as well.
Speaker 1: Even at that, that's.
Speaker 2: Ten on ten per transportation charge. But with if you
Speaker 2: get one of the sex trafficking charges thrown in, that's
Speaker 2: another fifteen. How does one serve that? Do they serve
Speaker 2: them consecutively? Do they How does it work in federal prison?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would assume it would be it
Speaker 4: would be consecutively. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Stroke things did.
Speaker 2: He should get on the stand and tell the truth
Speaker 2: about the industry. He said he should have his lawyers
Speaker 2: talk to the other side's lawyers, strike up some kind
Speaker 2: of plea where you know he does a little bit
Speaker 2: of time, enough time to where he could handle it,
Speaker 2: because she doesn't feel he could handle the type of
Speaker 2: time show gas. And then he said he should get
Speaker 2: up on that stand and tell the truth about how
Speaker 2: the industry is, what they did to him, who did
Speaker 2: it to him, and then what he went on and
Speaker 2: did to others, and that's the only way the industry
Speaker 2: will change.
Speaker 1: I would think.
Speaker 2: If he were really out bad, if he had crashed
Speaker 2: out and was down really bad, that could be a maneuver. However,
Speaker 2: I feel that Jane, she.
Speaker 1: Did her. She was a nice plant.
Speaker 2: She bloomed and gave beautiful leaves and plant life to
Speaker 2: the world. So for me, I think that he's gonna
Speaker 2: be cocky potentially going into this.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 2: I can't possibly see who's going to get up on
Speaker 2: the stand and tell us. The only thing we're going
Speaker 2: to hear is these girls were all jealous over him
Speaker 2: and they wanted to do everything.
Speaker 1: Well, where's your proof?
Speaker 2: We got to see all the text messages of them willing,
Speaker 2: because we've already seen text messages that they weren't. We've
Speaker 2: already seen text messages that he was manipulating, forcing people
Speaker 2: coercing people. So even if someone gets on the stand
Speaker 2: and says, my daddy's great, he loves me, he's never
Speaker 2: forced or coerce me.
Speaker 1: And what does.
Speaker 2: That have to do with the he has to other people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think what's what happens is they're
Speaker 3: just going to play to the jury's hearts and does
Speaker 3: the jury want to send this man away to prison
Speaker 3: for life?
Speaker 4: Who has children? And so they're going to focus on that.
Speaker 2: They're going to focus on the sentencing because they know
Speaker 2: he's getting something right.
Speaker 3: And I think they're just going to try to play
Speaker 3: to the jury's heartstrings, like do you want to send
Speaker 3: this man away that has all these children that he's
Speaker 3: responsible for. Look how close he is to his children.
Speaker 3: They're here every day supporting him. His mom's here, you know,
Speaker 3: he's close with his mom. They're going to try to
Speaker 3: humanize him because what the prosecution has done is try
Speaker 3: to dehumanize him, right, Like, you can put this man
Speaker 3: away because he's just an evil man. He has no
Speaker 3: you know, he has nothing, there's nothing good about him.
Speaker 3: You can put him in jail for as long as
Speaker 3: you want. And then the defense is going to try
Speaker 3: to humanize him. You know, he's a dad, he's a son,
Speaker 3: he has children, They care about him.
Speaker 2: Where's the where's the defending the crimes going to come in?
Speaker 1: Is there any way to defend these?
Speaker 3: I mean they've been doing that on Cross obviously, but
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, who is the defense going
Speaker 3: to put on as their case in chief? And that's
Speaker 3: that's what's interesting, Like besides character witnesses of family and children.
Speaker 2: Maybe him telling people he loves swinging, but I don't
Speaker 2: even see the swinging label that they gave him, because
Speaker 2: swinging requires you to have been in it. Swinging means
Speaker 2: everybody's swinging, everybody's in it, everybody's swinging. He was sitting
Speaker 2: in the corner videotaping and jacking off. That's cuckholding. That's
Speaker 2: different than swinging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they when they try to make it like
Speaker 3: it's a like a lifestyle, like just like a swinging life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not what that is.
Speaker 4: That's not like a swinging lifestyle.
Speaker 3: When when I think swinging lifestyle, I think all these
Speaker 3: you know, like boored couples in Orange Counties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Mary, I have tons of friends of swing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have tons of friends of swing. It's not even
Speaker 2: a it's not even the consent part. It's just this
Speaker 2: is not what we're seeing in all of this case
Speaker 2: is not swinging. It's him in the corner, jacking off, instructing,
Speaker 2: it's cutcolding.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean the question comes down to it.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. I think that there's both.
Speaker 3: When you're talking about someone like Jane, the question is
Speaker 3: if it's sex trafficking.
Speaker 4: The question, the legal question is was she coerced or
Speaker 4: was it consensual?
Speaker 3: And the problem with her testimony is you can go
Speaker 3: back and forth.
Speaker 2: You can with cassies also, and that's they might not
Speaker 2: get either of the sex trafficking ones.
Speaker 4: I don't know, because.
Speaker 3: If you're sitting there as a journ you go back
Speaker 3: and forth and you go, oh, that sounds bad.
Speaker 4: That's pretty violent. I can see why she did it.
Speaker 3: And then they can just pull up another text where
Speaker 3: it's like she's a willing participant and she's going along
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 5: If planning it, planning it, coming up with it, coming
Speaker 5: up with it, traveling, picking out escorts, saying I don't
Speaker 5: like this one, taking a different one.
Speaker 2: Asking for prices, she asked for one fifty per year,
Speaker 2: four fifty per the three years she served and her
Speaker 2: two years of her payment on her house. She put
Speaker 2: a price on it. The second she did that, she
Speaker 2: I was gone.
Speaker 1: I was out on her. She had me out.
Speaker 2: I just you know, one thing showed said, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about this. I was asking, is
Speaker 2: this an overall systematic thing? Like the system has decided
Speaker 2: it's so because, like I.
Speaker 1: Said, where do you stop at rico?
Speaker 2: In the music industry, there's somebody above puff, there's somebody
Speaker 2: above that, and there's somebody above that. They're answering to
Speaker 2: many people up. And I said to I said to him, like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: what does it look like to you?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, let me just say this.
Speaker 2: The one thing that has been talked about this entire trial,
Speaker 2: the one thing that none of this could have happened without,
Speaker 2: the one thing that made every single part of the behavior,
Speaker 2: and every single person on the stand has.
Speaker 1: Said it is drugs.
Speaker 2: But yet there's not one drug charge.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That had me a little like I need to talk
Speaker 2: to a lawyer about this because I'm either missing something
Speaker 2: or that's a little sus unless.
Speaker 3: They're just trying to fit the drug trafficking into the
Speaker 3: RICO aspect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could just be trying to fit it.
Speaker 4: So it's just convoluted in there.
Speaker 3: And as well as the drugs being the part of
Speaker 3: the coercion where it's like you can't have free agency
Speaker 3: and free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe including it would have lessened their ability to
Speaker 2: prove RICO. But if they can't prove RICO a drug
Speaker 2: charge in multiple drug charges because there's drug charges every
Speaker 2: time they're traveling the drugs anywhere, that's a light.
Speaker 1: That's that's like getting one.
Speaker 2: Of the mobsters on fraud signing a sending a piece
Speaker 2: of paper and sending it into that like, yeah, it's simple.
Speaker 2: It wasn't on murders, but it gave them life in prison,
Speaker 2: like find the little things.
Speaker 1: But I guess they felt that.
Speaker 2: But by the way, I understand why they felt the
Speaker 2: RICO was strong. Every single thing we just named. I
Speaker 2: literally looked up the list. There was only two that
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with this case. Something with minors
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with this case, and then something else.
Speaker 2: But other than that, there's way more than two. It's
Speaker 2: within that ten year period of time. If you're following
Speaker 2: the law, RICO is there, and it's pretty it's there strongly,
Speaker 2: it's not there like maybe I don't know it's there.
Speaker 2: If anything, Rico speaks to all the disgusting behavior that
Speaker 2: we've heard.
Speaker 1: It's not just disgusting behavior.
Speaker 2: It's force, coercion, bribery, kidnapping, trafficking, fraud, extortion, witness tampering.
Speaker 2: Those things were like happening all the time. Those are
Speaker 2: the most consistent things.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Sex trafficking were.
Speaker 2: We got the girls had days where they wanted it
Speaker 2: and did it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's going to hurt us
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: But to wrap this up because I just always love
Speaker 2: revisiting last time, we thought it was a go on
Speaker 2: all counts. Now, since we know Jane Doe, you know,
Speaker 2: ran through the secret Garden, what are we thinking now?
Speaker 2: On the two transportation charges?
Speaker 1: Are they still there?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: My gut says no, because I really feel like her
Speaker 4: testimony just.
Speaker 2: To transport, not sex trafficking, and two transport charges. I'm
Speaker 2: going I'm going to give you all five two transports.
Speaker 3: The transport charges yes, okay charges Yet the racket caring
Speaker 3: and conspiracy yes, sex trafficking I have a hard time with.
Speaker 1: Both of them are just cash I'm both.
Speaker 3: Because I feel I feel like Jane's testimony weekend, Cassies
Speaker 3: took away from Cassies, and I feel like the jury
Speaker 3: what they can do is kind of lump the two
Speaker 3: together because a lot of their stories married each other.
Speaker 4: And then you lump them into just two women.
Speaker 3: That wanted to rise up, that wanted to get what
Speaker 3: they could, that got money from him, that got their
Speaker 3: rent paid, that got luxury items.
Speaker 4: They wanted to be a part of that world.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one difference.
Speaker 2: Cassie didn't look at Ditty once when she said she
Speaker 2: reclaimed her truth.
Speaker 1: Cassie never wavered.
Speaker 2: Like that, and she didn't go and hug anybody, and
Speaker 2: she was clear. She didn't say I wish him the best.
Speaker 2: She said, this is what he did to me. I'm
Speaker 2: reclaiming myself and my life back deuces. I could if
Speaker 2: I'm in the jury, I could see the difference between
Speaker 2: her and the other girl. But I could I could
Speaker 2: see how men would have a harder time than maybe
Speaker 2: women could have dissecting the energy of women.
Speaker 4: And the problem is the order that they put them on.
Speaker 3: You put Cassie on first, and the clearly you want
Speaker 3: to put Cassie on first, because she's she's profound, and
Speaker 3: it's it's it's heart wrenching.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of reputations. By the way, reputation is a reputation.
Speaker 2: I've got plenty too. I mean, like it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: all of it's true. But I saw these drastic shifts
Speaker 2: in her personality and the fact that she's the only
Speaker 2: one that had Di Diddy fitted fidgeting. He fidgets when
Speaker 2: he knows that something was supposed to go a certain
Speaker 2: way and the bitch is bucking up and now he's
Speaker 2: getting a little fidgety.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so we're a you're a no, You're a
Speaker 1: potential no on both touch set trafficking.
Speaker 2: I'm praying that they can see through it and give
Speaker 2: one what about rico final question?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I feel like there can't. I feel
Speaker 3: like there's definitely Rico. When you think of it from
Speaker 3: a legal perspective, here's what the prosecution needs to do,
Speaker 3: and they're closing statement. They have to really really make
Speaker 3: it clear and concise and break it down for the jury.
Speaker 3: So that's the last thing they hear, and that's the
Speaker 3: last thing in their mind, and they need to get
Speaker 3: it right. Just like the way you listed it and
Speaker 3: the way you broke it down. That's what the jury
Speaker 3: needs to hear because everything's been so convoluted, with all
Speaker 3: these different testimony and all these different people coming up,
Speaker 3: and you start to you start to break away from
Speaker 3: Rico and you start to just start to think that
Speaker 3: it's just a relationship and he's just with a lot
Speaker 3: of women and he's a Yes, the rap star and
Speaker 3: that's yes.
Speaker 2: And he's got great lawyers and they're going to do
Speaker 2: a really good job at closing, but they are going
Speaker 2: to get to rebut that, and in their rebuttal is
Speaker 2: when they need to do exactly what you just said.
Speaker 2: What I just said with the with here, the points
Speaker 2: of Rico. Here is exactly every testimony that proved each
Speaker 2: one of those things, Thank you, good night, exactly. So
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. We're going into Diddy week. I
Speaker 2: think they have one more person on the stand today
Speaker 2: that's going, Oh, they have Brendan Paul, And then we're
Speaker 2: going into I think someone who's going to basically give
Speaker 2: a legal analysis of what's been proven.
Speaker 1: TH's far. What are those people called.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's some job, but somebody that's basically going to break
Speaker 2: it down for the jury, like what we just did
Speaker 2: right now, this is what you've seen, this is what
Speaker 2: we've proved. And then we go to Diddy and we're
Speaker 2: going to have to see if he can give us
Speaker 2: anybody compelling that. I don't need to hear any character witnesses.
Speaker 2: I don't need to hear about on the days where
Speaker 2: he's nice and good. I don't care about that. That's
Speaker 2: not what we're here to discuss. I want to hear
Speaker 2: people say that these crimes didn't happen in it, and
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: See proof as to how people are lying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll see, I'll see.
Speaker 1: I'll see you again.
Speaker 4: I miss you so much.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get let's have a real barbecue instead of
Speaker 2: the jury's barbecue.
Speaker 4: We need a real family barbecue.
Speaker 2: I know, all right, we'll do it soon. Okay, my love,
Speaker 2: it was good to seeing you.
Speaker 4: You look beautiful.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Bye,