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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Ditty Trial.

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Speaker 2: What's up everyone, This is Aubrey O'Day and this is

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Speaker 2: TJ and Amy presents me Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.

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Speaker 2: I am back with Emily Simpson. I am so excited

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Speaker 2: to be talking to her again because we are just

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Speaker 2: a gag girl. Me and you get together and we

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Speaker 2: just start unloading on everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are We're not your typical reality stars, are we.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe we are?

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Speaker 3: We are.

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Speaker 2: We're definitely two. We're definitely a duo not to be

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Speaker 2: messed with. So let's let me do a little recap

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Speaker 2: of Jane, just because she was on the stand for

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Speaker 2: a good amount of time last week. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I did one episode that was really trying to find

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Speaker 2: as much compassion and grayson my heart as I could

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Speaker 2: for her being a victim, but I also and so

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Speaker 2: was able to parallel that with it seems like she

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Speaker 2: somehow learned along the way how to manipulate people in

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Speaker 2: order to get what she wanted out of situations as well.

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Speaker 1: And that's a complicated thing too.

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Speaker 2: It's a complicated, layered situation to enter into. She just

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Speaker 2: kept on going down that train, though, didn't she and

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Speaker 2: it got worse and worse for me. One thing I

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Speaker 2: want to say, who gets on a stand for the

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Speaker 2: prosecution and has not only just their home and their lifestyle,

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Speaker 2: but they're a term knee paid for by the man

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Speaker 2: that they are there to sit and call their abuser

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Speaker 2: and the perpetrator and the person that should be going

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Speaker 2: to jail for crimes. Can you explain that to me,

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Speaker 2: because I haven't heard anything that makes any of that

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I found that part to be shocking, and I

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Speaker 3: question the prosecution's desire to have her as a wis

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Speaker 3: part because here's the.

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Speaker 4: Way I looked at it.

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Speaker 2: It's giving a pack of women, like Mark said, in

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Speaker 2: a real way, girl, it's giving a pack of white women.

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Speaker 3: This woman testified for over twenty four hours total over

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Speaker 3: six day time period. I felt as if when you

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Speaker 3: had Cassie testify first, it was very profound and I

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Speaker 3: think you were enthralled by it. And I think we're

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Speaker 3: captivated as to the level of coercion and violence. And

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Speaker 3: I think when you lead with that, but then you

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Speaker 3: end your case with someone like Jane, it doesn't work

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Speaker 3: for the prosecution. I was siding with the defense on

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Speaker 3: this one because I kept I kept looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Like you're trying, but you couldn't get there.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to get there, but you know, there

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Speaker 3: were so many things that stood out to me, and

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Speaker 3: one of those was shocking the fact that he still

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Speaker 3: continues to pay for her attorney, and he continues to

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Speaker 3: pay for her rent, and she's sitting on the stand

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Speaker 3: saying that, you know, he coerced her into these situations.

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Speaker 3: And I have a hard time finding that or believing that.

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Speaker 3: And I hate to say that because I'm a woman's woman.

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Speaker 2: Me too, I've had the same exact like literally called

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Speaker 2: it the Jane Doe dilemma because it's a very hard thing.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what, as someone from the inside,

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Speaker 2: some bits and pieces that I heard of from people

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Speaker 2: inside the courtroom, and also because I know them so well.

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Speaker 2: This was the first witness where Diddy was fidgeting a lot.

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Speaker 2: It was giving I came here for you, but you

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Speaker 2: torture me, so I'm gonna let you sweat a little

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Speaker 2: bit she gave. She was giving cute and mild. She

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Speaker 2: was giving, you know, a lot of details that were

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Speaker 2: horrific and things like that in the very beginning, and

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Speaker 2: then she had him squirming, he was fidgeting, and then

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Speaker 2: she flipped, and then she flipped by the end and

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Speaker 2: she gave it. She completely flipped on the Feds. To me,

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Speaker 2: it was having to relive some of the horrific things

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Speaker 2: that he did and on some things that she willingly

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Speaker 2: asked for a lot of them. Was a lot more

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Speaker 2: asking was going on with this one. Yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 1: More jealousy, a lot more.

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Speaker 2: Let me find the levels to which I could compete

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Speaker 2: with the others.

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Speaker 1: It was giving.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware that there's a come up here. I have

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Speaker 2: seen others come up. She saw Paul move on up.

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Speaker 2: She saw young Miami move on up. She saw that

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Speaker 2: think all of the testimony that spoke to that really

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Speaker 2: confused people. And I think that she did a really

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Speaker 2: good job of making him squirm.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like this before?

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Speaker 3: No. I thought it was shocking that he actually that

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Speaker 3: he pays for her attorney. I mean, to me, that's

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Speaker 3: a conflict of interest that you're sitting on the stand

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Speaker 3: and you're supposed to be a witness for the prosecution and.

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Speaker 1: Don't put her on the stamp prosecution.

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Speaker 2: What are they doing is a paycheck that low with

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Speaker 2: the AUSA, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like, prosecute the prosecution better off

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Speaker 3: just not calling her as a witness.

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Speaker 4: Period at all.

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Speaker 1: We were fine, she didn't.

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Speaker 3: And I also feel and maybe I don't know how

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Speaker 3: everything was so shocking, and that's what was stuck in

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Speaker 3: the juror's minds. Yes, you desensitize everything that's going on

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Speaker 3: when you continue to talk about it, and it gets

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Speaker 3: the point where it's it's almost it looks as if

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Speaker 3: it's a pattern of behavior. But these women are willingly

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Speaker 3: going along with it.

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Speaker 4: Because yes, what Jane looks like. And yeah, it's like

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Speaker 4: her testimony takes away from Cassie's testimony because saluted it.

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Speaker 4: You've talked about it repetitively, You've.

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Speaker 2: Talked about being in competition with her.

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Speaker 1: Gina Young Miami.

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Speaker 2: Now we got a whole slew of girls that the

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Speaker 2: jury hasn't even met or heard from. Now we just

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Speaker 2: hear there's a bunch of girls that are cat fighting

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Speaker 2: over this man. I mean, she literally took Cassie's power

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Speaker 2: from her a bit. In respect to this trial and

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Speaker 2: what has been established so far, super disappointing the fact

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Speaker 2: that she is tied to potentially somebody that you know.

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Speaker 2: She has made comments that there were issues with her

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Speaker 2: baby's father and puff that combination right there is super

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Speaker 2: sessed to me and all of.

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Speaker 1: The levels in between our super sss.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 3: When she had reference to the father of her child,

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Speaker 3: I've read somewhere and I don't know this if this

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Speaker 3: is true, maybe you know this is he a well

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Speaker 3: known rapper or someone in the music industry as well?

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Speaker 1: Yes, very well, Okay, so this.

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Speaker 4: Is my takeaway from that.

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Speaker 3: She has a child with someone who is a well

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Speaker 3: known rapper in the music industry. Then she's with Ditty

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Speaker 3: and she's involved with him for these four years or

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Speaker 3: however long it is. Then there's also the story about

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Speaker 4: Known rapper who I don't know who that is. I

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Speaker 4: can make it.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you see who happened to walk into court?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Kanye showed up to court. Did I know there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of speculation here.

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Speaker 1: And he's been very pre pro ditty free Diddy.

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Speaker 2: Let me jump in front of all this before it

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Speaker 2: hits me next type of free Diddy potentially allegedly.

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Speaker 4: Right, So let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 3: Because this was my takeaway as someone who's not in

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Speaker 3: the music industry. I looked at it as if Jane

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Speaker 3: was someone who is putting herself into these situations, overtly

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Speaker 3: putting herself into a situation where she's dating this rapper,

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Speaker 3: she has a child with them, then she's with Diddy,

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Speaker 3: then she's going on a private jet with this other

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Speaker 3: And I understand that she wasn't a participant, However, she watched.

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Speaker 3: And it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone

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Speaker 2: It was hard for me to feel sorry when Cassie's

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Speaker 2: lawsuit dropped and she was still with him, then gave

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Speaker 2: him her price, then then did more freak offs than

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Speaker 2: takes that he did of his apology video and let

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Speaker 2: him know that she didn't feel the one she saw

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Speaker 2: was sincere enough. She lost me when she was on

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Speaker 2: her way to New York with her her striper heels

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Speaker 2: have a freak off. She has all the way lost me.

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Speaker 2: The lawsuits have showed her. She said she felt like

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Speaker 2: she was reading a tell all book. Well, if you

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Speaker 2: read the tell all book, girl, then ride. This is

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Speaker 2: the point where you take your power. And she talks

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Speaker 2: about working with the criminal defense team the entire time

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Speaker 2: up until the very end when she's deciding to get

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Speaker 2: her power back.

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Speaker 1: But get what power back?

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Speaker 2: Because your bills are still being paid by the man

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Speaker 2: sitting in front of you on trial.

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Speaker 1: You didn't get any of your power back.

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Speaker 2: You could take some of those OnlyFans coins and gotten

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Speaker 2: yourself an apartment that costs less than ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: a month. I think she took that stand because Diddy,

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Speaker 1: Beginning, and a lot of these documentaries.

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Speaker 2: Is there were potential plants potted everywhere. Plants, plants, plants,

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Speaker 2: look left, look right, they're right in front of you,

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Speaker 2: is what I was told. I think that her testimony

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Speaker 2: did some major damage to the prosecution, and it makes

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Speaker 2: me wonder if she decided to take that stand for

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think she did what the expectation was

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Speaker 3: about how she said, you know, I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: do it, and they showed texts of her saying, I'm

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Speaker 3: not an animal, I'm not a robot, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: A porn star.

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Speaker 5: That's not criminal, right, And the defense comes back on

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Speaker 5: on cross and they have her read text after text

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Speaker 5: after text where she's saying things like, thank you for

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Speaker 5: setting it up.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it. I had a great time.

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Speaker 2: And then the Star party shot Kobe and Michael.

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Speaker 3: So I'm still in shock that the prosecution thought that

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Speaker 3: that was the way to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm in shock with the humors that they've made so far.

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Speaker 2: You know, we went wrong with with Don Richard being

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Speaker 2: very inconsistent on the stand, and within your own depositions,

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Speaker 2: you could have found those inconsistencies, yet you still chose

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Speaker 2: to do it. We had an issue with Bona. What

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Speaker 2: was Bona's name, Bona, that was her nickname, the best friend.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask you your opinion on.

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Speaker 2: That, Brianna, I believe dangling off the balcony, but you're

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Speaker 2: much taller. The weight differences, the fact that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: there when she said it occurred, the fact that she

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Speaker 2: had spoken with Cassie and that maybe stories had been

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Speaker 2: you know, discussed and potentially collaborated on prior to dropping

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Speaker 2: a civil lawsuit, which she does have a lot of

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Speaker 2: these things they've been able to poke some serious holes in.

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Speaker 2: So then now, I mean I was literally all week

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Speaker 2: just like I just didn't even want to look because

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Speaker 4: She got snappy with her.

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Speaker 4: To me, it just looks like she's playing both sides.

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Speaker 1: Certainly, if an officer is in front of you, you can.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, She's like, no, I still have to get

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Speaker 2: If I'm a juror and I'm watching that, I'm not

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Speaker 2: If I can't believe her on some things, then I

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Speaker 1: That's not their job.

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Speaker 2: All they have to do is show within a ten

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Speaker 2: So Jonathan on Friday made it come together when he said,

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Speaker 2: Fahim was also involved and did his thing with Rico

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Speaker 2: I mean shit, he didn't even make bond because he

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Speaker 1: People wanted it and that their takes are wrong.

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Speaker 2: Interstate transportation, all the escorts. We have established rico. Now

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Speaker 2: it just came back last week. One convicted, one acquittal,

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Speaker 1: It is a no for us.

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Speaker 2: We are not going back into that in doing it

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Speaker 1: I think Diddy knows that as well. I believe that we.

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Speaker 2: Have sex trafficking with Cassie. I don't know about sex

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Speaker 2: this idea of does he get Rico? And Rico is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've got kid Cuddie and the burglary and

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Speaker 2: The burgulary the arsen yaw those are also added on

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Speaker 2: You are not going to believe that your team is

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Speaker 2: They called it today, But they got rid of somebody

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe you know what that's allo so indicative

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Speaker 3: If they're that enthralled with that that exchange between Tenny

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Speaker 4: Ye not paying as much interest in that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, not with her.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope that when they get into uh what is

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Speaker 1: Is there a legal term for that?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's let's let's when they get to the family

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Speaker 5: Is she not getting child support her if her baby's

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Speaker 1: Uh, people that are.

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Speaker 2: Interconnected with her, I kind of thought to myself, what's

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Speaker 2: Because she had to go off doing all kinds of

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Speaker 2: really high levels of child support all the time. It

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00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: just depends on how good of the lawyers you have

443
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: and how unlawyered and pedigreed the girl is.

444
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: I can't imagine paying enough child support to be able

445
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: to pay rent somewhere on your own.

446
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, she wanted the ten thousand dollars

447
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: place versus like the you know, hundred with some government assistant,

448
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 2: you have a child, like you could get by on

449
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: a lot less. It's that she didn't want to, And

450
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: that's where they're really just not getting foot force and

451
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: coercion out of it. For me, And I think for

452
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: if we've lost most of the women, we definitely have

453
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: lost them in oh absolutely, Yeah, So I think that

454
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: that count's going to go bye by, But you never

455
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: know that. The biggest thing is the jury and where

456
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: they're going to go with it. But I do feel

457
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: that I do feel it was also pretty I think

458
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: the defense has done a solid job at poking holes

459
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: and many people. What we're going to have to see

460
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: now is can the prosecution do the same. And then also,

461
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: who does Diddy have taking the stand for him? Is

462
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: the million dollar question. I know one person that's taking

463
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: the stand for him there.

464
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: Is the obvious suspects.

465
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: Would be family and children because they're in court. I

466
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: don't know how that's going to speak to anything relevant

467
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: criminally by making him sound like a good guy, and

468
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: certainly hope none of his kids understood the criminal enterprise

469
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: aspect of.

470
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: Any of it. The one thing, though, that I do.

471
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: Think is interesting is Rico suggests that you're at the

472
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: top and it can be an individual or individuals. It

473
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be individuals. It doesn't have to be

474
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: plural like they used to use in the mob worlds.

475
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: It can be just an individual. But I don't know.

476
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: I could argue, who's the person above Diddy, who's the

477
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: person above that person, who's the person above that person?

478
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: Do you really think it stops at Diddy? There's an

479
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: entire industry. When I interviewed Shug Knight recently, he went

480
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: all the way up the trail, all the way back

481
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: to where hip hop first started, in the room that

482
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: they sat in and decided whether or not they were

483
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: going to keep him pop for themselves in the community

484
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: and create generational wealth, or whether they were going to

485
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: allow it to be in the hands of the industry

486
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: side of music, which means that at the very end

487
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: of the day, everyone's checks get lower and lower until

488
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: you get to the very bottom, which is always the

489
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: artist who gets nothing.

490
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 4: Usually. Wasn't should he was a supporter of Diddy at first,

491
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: Wasn't he?

492
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: He came out and spoke and said that he didn't

493
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: think he should be convicted and he shouldn't go to prison.

494
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: So they take these soundbites per usual.

495
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: But from what I gathered, it's street code that you

496
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: don't ever want your people to go to prison. You

497
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: don't ever wish that on your enemies in the streets.

498
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: He follows street rules, in street code, that's how he

499
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: was raised. And he feels that no matter if he

500
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: likes you or doesn't like you, the street code is

501
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: you do your best to defend and not wish anyone

502
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: in the streets, any of your people, to be put

503
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: in prison. So he honors that code. Does he think

504
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: what he was doing was wrong? Yeah, but he also

505
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: thinks he learned it from people above him. He made

506
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: a strong suggestion to me in our interview about where

507
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: do you think Like, He's like, you know, I am

508
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: around the same age I grew up, and you know,

509
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: they were all friends. They were very close to those founders,

510
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: those people in the very beginning of hip hop, when

511
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: it started to become more mainstream. He's like, do you

512
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: think we sat around and just one day thought like

513
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: I really want to see four you know, potentially gay

514
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: escorts or by escorts just pissing my girlfriend's mouth until

515
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: she chokes and then fuck her right after.

516
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Like we weren't.

517
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: That wasn't an idea that floated around in our heads.

518
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: You learned that from somewhere. You learn it from somewhere.

519
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: Well, And the fact that I always thought, and the

520
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: fact that everything it seemed so premeditated, that everything was

521
00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: recorded and kept and kept categorically or however well.

522
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: It by ditty but Cassie or jo by Didy.

523
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: So then to me, I don't know if I always

524
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: felt that did he had the foresight to do something

525
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: like that. It always felt to me like there was

526
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 3: a higher power that said, why don't you let's do

527
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: this and keep this and use this.

528
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, sure, you know what.

529
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anyone say that, But that's actually a

530
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: great theory, and other theories have been floated.

531
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, TJ asked me the other day.

532
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: He said, the one of the psychological definitions behind being

533
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: a cuck hold is that you want to experiment or

534
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: have an attraction more for male body parts and experiences

535
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: with men, but you potentially are in a position or

536
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: a status that you can't explore those desires, and so

537
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: you have your partner do it and so you can

538
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: experience it for yourself. Almost that videos would allow somebody

539
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: to do that. You know, I don't see a lot

540
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: of text messages about you know, excuse my language, but

541
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: let me see your pussy.

542
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: How wet is it?

543
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: I want to eat your pussy. Let me see your

544
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: pussy lips. It's all what's the dicks? Where are the

545
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: dicks at? What do the dicks look like? Yeah, we're

546
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: having sex. This is fun, but I'm a little bored.

547
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: Let's call somebody and have put his dick so we

548
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: can cast it onto the ceiling.

549
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dicks.

550
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: It's a lot of Yeah.

551
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: You know.

552
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: When the first when it first came out with the.

553
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Sex track picking charges, I pictured women, and then as

554
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: everything's been revealed, it's men sex workers.

555
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: I asked, Shu, could you be a black man in

556
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: the nineties, becoming a hip hop mogul of this genre

557
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: running the streets, be taken seriously by the streets, which

558
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: the culture of hip hop was born in the streets,

559
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: to bring that genre forward, to be the leaders of

560
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: that movement.

561
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Could you also be gay? The answer is no.

562
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: No, So I think you live a lifestyle where you're

563
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: suppressing potentially feelings that we know that he likes, seeing Dix.

564
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: It's been said five million different ways at this point

565
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: on the stand allegedly, So that being said and established,

566
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, can you like Dix in that position? No?

567
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Did his position only get higher and higher, bigger and bigger.

568
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: More and more money.

569
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: Yes, So then you suppress more, which is where drugs

570
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: become very handy because you don't have to think about

571
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: all the ways you're suppressing, which hurts your It hurts

572
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: you inside, and then I think that's when the drugs

573
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: can get to a point where they're so out of control.

574
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: And then I don't know where it goes from there.

575
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how credible any of the eighty civil

576
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: suits are.

577
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: We're going to have to break it down one by one.

578
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's just a recent one. Did you see

579
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: that recent one? I think it was filed yesterday. Tell

580
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: me a new lawsuit by Chelsea Loveless.

581
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: It mirrors Cassie venture As accusations almost identically.

582
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: So freak offs with men.

583
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't read it. I just read an article

584
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: that it was just filed, you know. And here's my question.

585
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, do you notice how all the

586
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: Jane does say he wanted to see the dicks. Even

587
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: in messages with Jane Doe, she says, all you care

588
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: about are dicks. I'm not going to be here for

589
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: your dick parties.

590
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Like pussy has not even been mentioned in this trial,

591
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: not one.

592
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: Well, he clearly has a preference.

593
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: The question is are his preferences to the level of

594
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: criminal activity or does he just have weird sexual proclivities.

595
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: And that's what jury has to decide.

596
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: The jury doesn't have to decide it because at the

597
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: end of the day, they have drug trafficking from Brendan,

598
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: kidnapping from Capricorn, arson from kid Cutty, sex trafficking from

599
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: Cassie Ivory from Eddie Garcia, fraud by everybody, extortion by

600
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Cassie's mom, witnessed tampering in the very beginning from vail

601
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: with Callina, allegedly an interstate transportation on all the escorts,

602
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: they have plenty and plenty of way, more than two

603
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: within a six year period, not a ten right, And

604
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: I just don't I mean, unless in some world this

605
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: testimony that we're hearing is not within this period of time,

606
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 2: which I don't think the prosecution would make that mistake.

607
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: But Lord, I didn't see.

608
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: A lot of the things the prosecution chose to do

609
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: as as the best of choices.

610
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

611
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: I think the prosecution made a mistake.

612
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: When we were talking about was her name, Brianna, whoever

613
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: was held over the balcony?

614
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: What was yeah? Were they?

615
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: I mean, someone did beyond in diligence on that where

616
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: it came back that where she was showing the photos

617
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: of the next day, saying, these are the bruises I

618
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: got for being dangled over a.

619
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: Balcony by Diddy.

620
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: And then they come, you know, the defence has the

621
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: receipts that he was actually you know, touring with the

622
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: you know which.

623
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: By the way, victims, victims get times and dates wrong

624
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: all the time. But you should have figured that out

625
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: prior to putting her on the stand and had her say,

626
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

627
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: I thought I.

628
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: Recollected it here, but I'm realizing it could have been

629
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: at these other times too. I'm a drug addict, so

630
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm bad with timing. I mean, that's what she acknowledged

631
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: herself to be. But for me, I'm a drug addict

632
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: and I was there to supply the drugs and get

633
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: everyone high. Can't trust it, sorry, Jane. I just loved

634
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: every moment of climbing and my rise to the top

635
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: of being number one escored in.

636
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Those sex proclivities.

637
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: I can't trust it, sorry, Like who was the other one?

638
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: Don?

639
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: And her misstating one story seven different ways. Sorry, There's

640
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: there's there's a there's some that weren't strong choices. And

641
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: this is the Southern District, This is a ninety five

642
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: percent and conviction rate. I didn't think I would even

643
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: see a snaff foo, right, do you usually see this many?

644
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: When I saw Mark Garrigos be able to say they

645
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: got an eight pack.

646
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Of white women, that really was a lot.

647
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: I was just thinking to myself, with everything that we

648
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: all as a society have learned even since OJ and

649
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: watching the lawyer's brag about how they manipulated the time

650
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: and the place right after Rodney King, et cetera, Like,

651
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: why is it that that you would even not choose

652
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: to operate.

653
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: With that, with the with the visual.

654
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: Impressions that are so strong on a jury inside court.

655
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know some of it just I

656
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: don't I don't know some of it is concerning. However,

657
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: I do think they have proven all the charges except

658
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: that second sex traffic game. Now, let me ask you

659
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: next trafficking there were two counts. I don't think that

660
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: they specifically said who the two counts were. Are they

661
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: suggesting it's Cassie and Jane or are they just saying

662
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: pick any of them?

663
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.

664
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I'm not sure, because I

665
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: don't think it is specific I think it's just two counts.

666
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: And what are the two counts? I mean, we can.

667
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: Definitely say Cassie, but I wouldn't say it was Jane

668
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: at all to me.

669
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: She just sell jealous rolls.

670
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: It could be it could be Mia.

671
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was.

672
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 3: Mia, which Mia, like you said before when we when

673
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: we had a discussion prior, you thought Mia was a

674
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: little game changing because she wasn't a girlfriend. She yes,

675
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: someone who was an assistant that was that was you know,

676
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: submitted to violence and all this and rape.

677
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: There was rape. Forgot about that one.

678
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah on your list too, Rape on Cassie too.

679
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

680
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I guess the issue is at

681
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: the end once the defense puts on their case, and

682
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: obviously they're going to have a lot of character witnesses

683
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: and they're going to play to the jury's heart, right

684
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: because obviously if his children or.

685
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: His mom or you know, anyone related to him is.

686
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: Going to testify, they're going to do so in a

687
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: way where he's a great dad, he's involved in our lives.

688
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: No way KK testifies for him, right, Obviously the prosecution

689
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: didn't get KK. If KK is off in the sunset somewhere,

690
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: she could still be charged with being a co conspirator next, correct,

691
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: what do they charge them back? Because I remember Jeffrey

692
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: and Glane, didn't Glane come only a couple months after

693
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: Jeffrey with her charges.

694
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 4: I believe so, but I don't know a lot about

695
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: that case. But I think he was charged first and

696
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: that she was charged later.

697
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: So it's possible that there maybe they're holding out and

698
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: not don't want to give her immunity because they got

699
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: too much on her.

700
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've seen her name pop up in

701
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: some civil suits.

702
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: If they have any proof of the things that are

703
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: in those civil suits, it ain't good.

704
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: But to not even have.

705
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: The bodyguard or d rock, I mean, I don't know

706
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: if they're just leaving space for cocaine inspirators to potentially

707
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: come out after this. I do think that they don't

708
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: have the full jury. Prosecution does not have the full

709
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 2: jury with them. However, I think when they get back

710
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: into when they go back to the barbecue and everybody

711
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: sits down and starts looking through the paperwork we discussed

712
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: this you got to fill out. Do you think he

713
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: forced her? Yes?

714
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: Do you feel like she didn't want to do it?

715
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: At least in one occasion.

716
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Yes, do you feel like he flew her across state

717
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: lines and then paid her to have sex with somebody? Yes,

718
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: that means guilty, right, So I think the paperwork takes

719
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: the emotion out of it. However, if someone's highly emotional,

720
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: they might just say no, I don't feel that way.

721
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't see any way that

722
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: he gets off on all of it. I think Jane

723
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: muddied it up a good amount. At least she took

724
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: off one of those sex trafficking charges. Maybe convince them

725
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: that Cassie might be some type of not credible as well.

726
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: Even at that, that's.

727
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Ten on ten per transportation charge. But with if you

728
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: get one of the sex trafficking charges thrown in, that's

729
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: another fifteen. How does one serve that? Do they serve

730
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: them consecutively? Do they How does it work in federal prison?

731
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would assume it would be it

732
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 4: would be consecutively. So I don't know.

733
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: Stroke things did.

734
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 2: He should get on the stand and tell the truth

735
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: about the industry. He said he should have his lawyers

736
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: talk to the other side's lawyers, strike up some kind

737
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: of plea where you know he does a little bit

738
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: of time, enough time to where he could handle it,

739
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: because she doesn't feel he could handle the type of

740
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: time show gas. And then he said he should get

741
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: up on that stand and tell the truth about how

742
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: the industry is, what they did to him, who did

743
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: it to him, and then what he went on and

744
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: did to others, and that's the only way the industry

745
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: will change.

746
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I would think.

747
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: If he were really out bad, if he had crashed

748
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: out and was down really bad, that could be a maneuver. However,

749
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: I feel that Jane, she.

750
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Did her. She was a nice plant.

751
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: She bloomed and gave beautiful leaves and plant life to

752
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: the world. So for me, I think that he's gonna

753
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: be cocky potentially going into this.

754
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: I just don't.

755
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: I can't possibly see who's going to get up on

756
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: the stand and tell us. The only thing we're going

757
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 2: to hear is these girls were all jealous over him

758
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: and they wanted to do everything.

759
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Well, where's your proof?

760
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: We got to see all the text messages of them willing,

761
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: because we've already seen text messages that they weren't. We've

762
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: already seen text messages that he was manipulating, forcing people

763
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: coercing people. So even if someone gets on the stand

764
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: and says, my daddy's great, he loves me, he's never

765
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: forced or coerce me.

766
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: And what does.

767
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: That have to do with the he has to other people?

768
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think what's what happens is they're

769
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: just going to play to the jury's hearts and does

770
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: the jury want to send this man away to prison

771
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: for life?

772
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: Who has children? And so they're going to focus on that.

773
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: They're going to focus on the sentencing because they know

774
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: he's getting something right.

775
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: And I think they're just going to try to play

776
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: to the jury's heartstrings, like do you want to send

777
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: this man away that has all these children that he's

778
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: responsible for. Look how close he is to his children.

779
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: They're here every day supporting him. His mom's here, you know,

780
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: he's close with his mom. They're going to try to

781
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: humanize him because what the prosecution has done is try

782
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: to dehumanize him, right, Like, you can put this man

783
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: away because he's just an evil man. He has no

784
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, he has nothing, there's nothing good about him.

785
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: You can put him in jail for as long as

786
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: you want. And then the defense is going to try

787
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: to humanize him. You know, he's a dad, he's a son,

788
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 3: he has children, They care about him.

789
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Where's the where's the defending the crimes going to come in?

790
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: Is there any way to defend these?

791
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: I mean they've been doing that on Cross obviously, but

792
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, who is the defense going

793
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: to put on as their case in chief? And that's

794
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: that's what's interesting, Like besides character witnesses of family and children.

795
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Maybe him telling people he loves swinging, but I don't

796
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: even see the swinging label that they gave him, because

797
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: swinging requires you to have been in it. Swinging means

798
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: everybody's swinging, everybody's in it, everybody's swinging. He was sitting

799
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: in the corner videotaping and jacking off. That's cuckholding. That's

800
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: different than swinging.

801
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they when they try to make it like

802
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: it's a like a lifestyle, like just like a swinging life.

803
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not what that is.

804
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: That's not like a swinging lifestyle.

805
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: When when I think swinging lifestyle, I think all these

806
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, like boored couples in Orange Counties.

807
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Mary, I have tons of friends of swing. Yeah,

808
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: I have tons of friends of swing. It's not even

809
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: a it's not even the consent part. It's just this

810
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: is not what we're seeing in all of this case

811
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: is not swinging. It's him in the corner, jacking off, instructing,

812
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: it's cutcolding.

813
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean the question comes down to it.

814
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. I think that there's both.

815
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: When you're talking about someone like Jane, the question is

816
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: if it's sex trafficking.

817
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 4: The question, the legal question is was she coerced or

818
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 4: was it consensual?

819
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: And the problem with her testimony is you can go

820
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: back and forth.

821
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: You can with cassies also, and that's they might not

822
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: get either of the sex trafficking ones.

823
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, because.

824
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: If you're sitting there as a journ you go back

825
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: and forth and you go, oh, that sounds bad.

826
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 4: That's pretty violent. I can see why she did it.

827
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: And then they can just pull up another text where

828
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 3: it's like she's a willing participant and she's going along

829
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: with it.

830
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 5: If planning it, planning it, coming up with it, coming

831
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 5: up with it, traveling, picking out escorts, saying I don't

832
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 5: like this one, taking a different one.

833
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: Asking for prices, she asked for one fifty per year,

834
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: four fifty per the three years she served and her

835
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: two years of her payment on her house. She put

836
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: a price on it. The second she did that, she

837
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: I was gone.

838
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: I was out on her. She had me out.

839
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: I just you know, one thing showed said, and I

840
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about this. I was asking, is

841
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: this an overall systematic thing? Like the system has decided

842
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: it's so because, like I.

843
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Said, where do you stop at rico?

844
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: In the music industry, there's somebody above puff, there's somebody

845
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: above that, and there's somebody above that. They're answering to

846
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: many people up. And I said to I said to him, like, WHOA,

847
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: what does it look like to you?

848
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, let me just say this.

849
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: The one thing that has been talked about this entire trial,

850
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: the one thing that none of this could have happened without,

851
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: the one thing that made every single part of the behavior,

852
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: and every single person on the stand has.

853
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Said it is drugs.

854
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: But yet there's not one drug charge.

855
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

856
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: That had me a little like I need to talk

857
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: to a lawyer about this because I'm either missing something

858
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: or that's a little sus unless.

859
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: They're just trying to fit the drug trafficking into the

860
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: RICO aspect.

861
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could just be trying to fit it.

862
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: So it's just convoluted in there.

863
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: And as well as the drugs being the part of

864
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: the coercion where it's like you can't have free agency

865
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: and free.

866
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe including it would have lessened their ability to

867
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: prove RICO. But if they can't prove RICO a drug

868
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: charge in multiple drug charges because there's drug charges every

869
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: time they're traveling the drugs anywhere, that's a light.

870
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: That's that's like getting one.

871
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: Of the mobsters on fraud signing a sending a piece

872
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: of paper and sending it into that like, yeah, it's simple.

873
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't on murders, but it gave them life in prison,

874
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: like find the little things.

875
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: But I guess they felt that.

876
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: But by the way, I understand why they felt the

877
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: RICO was strong. Every single thing we just named. I

878
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: literally looked up the list. There was only two that

879
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with this case. Something with minors

880
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with this case, and then something else.

881
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: But other than that, there's way more than two. It's

882
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: within that ten year period of time. If you're following

883
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: the law, RICO is there, and it's pretty it's there strongly,

884
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: it's not there like maybe I don't know it's there.

885
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: If anything, Rico speaks to all the disgusting behavior that

886
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: we've heard.

887
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: It's not just disgusting behavior.

888
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: It's force, coercion, bribery, kidnapping, trafficking, fraud, extortion, witness tampering.

889
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: Those things were like happening all the time. Those are

890
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: the most consistent things.

891
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: Now.

892
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: Sex trafficking were.

893
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: We got the girls had days where they wanted it

894
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: and did it.

895
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's going to hurt us

896
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: or not.

897
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: But to wrap this up because I just always love

898
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: revisiting last time, we thought it was a go on

899
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: all counts. Now, since we know Jane Doe, you know,

900
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: ran through the secret Garden, what are we thinking now?

901
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: On the two transportation charges?

902
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: Are they still there?

903
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: You know?

904
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: My gut says no, because I really feel like her

905
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: testimony just.

906
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: To transport, not sex trafficking, and two transport charges. I'm

907
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: going I'm going to give you all five two transports.

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: The transport charges yes, okay charges Yet the racket caring

909
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 3: and conspiracy yes, sex trafficking I have a hard time with.

910
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Both of them are just cash I'm both.

911
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: Because I feel I feel like Jane's testimony weekend, Cassies

912
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: took away from Cassies, and I feel like the jury

913
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: what they can do is kind of lump the two

914
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: together because a lot of their stories married each other.

915
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 4: And then you lump them into just two women.

916
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: That wanted to rise up, that wanted to get what

917
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: they could, that got money from him, that got their

918
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: rent paid, that got luxury items.

919
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 4: They wanted to be a part of that world.

920
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one difference.

921
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: Cassie didn't look at Ditty once when she said she

922
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: reclaimed her truth.

923
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: Cassie never wavered.

924
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: Like that, and she didn't go and hug anybody, and

925
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: she was clear. She didn't say I wish him the best.

926
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: She said, this is what he did to me. I'm

927
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: reclaiming myself and my life back deuces. I could if

928
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm in the jury, I could see the difference between

929
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: her and the other girl. But I could I could

930
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: see how men would have a harder time than maybe

931
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: women could have dissecting the energy of women.

932
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: And the problem is the order that they put them on.

933
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: You put Cassie on first, and the clearly you want

934
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: to put Cassie on first, because she's she's profound, and

935
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: it's it's it's heart wrenching.

936
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: There's plenty of reputations. By the way, reputation is a reputation.

937
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: I've got plenty too. I mean, like it doesn't mean

938
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: all of it's true. But I saw these drastic shifts

939
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: in her personality and the fact that she's the only

940
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: one that had Di Diddy fitted fidgeting. He fidgets when

941
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: he knows that something was supposed to go a certain

942
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: way and the bitch is bucking up and now he's

943
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: getting a little fidgety.

944
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so we're a you're a no, You're a

945
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: potential no on both touch set trafficking.

946
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm praying that they can see through it and give

947
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: one what about rico final question?

948
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I feel like there can't. I feel

949
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: like there's definitely Rico. When you think of it from

950
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: a legal perspective, here's what the prosecution needs to do,

951
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: and they're closing statement. They have to really really make

952
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: it clear and concise and break it down for the jury.

953
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: So that's the last thing they hear, and that's the

954
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: last thing in their mind, and they need to get

955
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: it right. Just like the way you listed it and

956
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: the way you broke it down. That's what the jury

957
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: needs to hear because everything's been so convoluted, with all

958
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: these different testimony and all these different people coming up,

959
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: and you start to you start to break away from

960
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: Rico and you start to just start to think that

961
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: it's just a relationship and he's just with a lot

962
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: of women and he's a Yes, the rap star and

963
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: that's yes.

964
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: And he's got great lawyers and they're going to do

965
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: a really good job at closing, but they are going

966
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: to get to rebut that, and in their rebuttal is

967
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: when they need to do exactly what you just said.

968
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: What I just said with the with here, the points

969
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: of Rico. Here is exactly every testimony that proved each

970
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: one of those things, Thank you, good night, exactly. So

971
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. We're going into Diddy week. I

972
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: think they have one more person on the stand today

973
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: that's going, Oh, they have Brendan Paul, And then we're

974
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: going into I think someone who's going to basically give

975
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: a legal analysis of what's been proven.

976
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: TH's far. What are those people called.

977
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

978
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: There's some job, but somebody that's basically going to break

979
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: it down for the jury, like what we just did

980
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: right now, this is what you've seen, this is what

981
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: we've proved. And then we go to Diddy and we're

982
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: going to have to see if he can give us

983
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: anybody compelling that. I don't need to hear any character witnesses.

984
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't need to hear about on the days where

985
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: he's nice and good. I don't care about that. That's

986
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: not what we're here to discuss. I want to hear

987
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: people say that these crimes didn't happen in it, and

988
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: I want to.

989
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: See proof as to how people are lying.

990
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll see, I'll see.

991
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: I'll see you again.

992
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: I miss you so much.

993
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: Well, let's get let's have a real barbecue instead of

994
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: the jury's barbecue.

995
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: We need a real family barbecue.

996
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: I know, all right, we'll do it soon. Okay, my love,

997
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: it was good to seeing you.

998
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: You look beautiful.

999
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1000
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Bye,