Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is September tenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: We are recording once again because Charlie Kirk has died.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ that we
Speaker 1: are recording Robes just not long after the previous one
Speaker 1: when we got word that the conservative activists, Trump's supporter
Speaker 1: and Maga Darling have been shot on a campus at
Speaker 1: a university in Utah. But it wasn't too terribly long
Speaker 1: afterwards and rogues everyone said, who was there? It didn't
Speaker 1: look good. Sure enough, he has passed.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly sad, just thirty one years old. Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: He's a husband, he's a father of two children, and
Speaker 2: he was murdered. And in the last episode we didn't
Speaker 2: yet know that he had passed. We knew it was serious,
Speaker 2: but we also had verified reports from the university that
Speaker 2: is suspect was in custody. Well, a lot has changed
Speaker 2: since our last episode because now police have told us
Speaker 2: and the university has confirmed that assassin, the person who
Speaker 2: murdered thirty one year old Charlie Kirk, is at large
Speaker 2: and police are now going building to building trying to
Speaker 2: find the gunman.
Speaker 1: So this now Folks is an ongoing certainly still developing,
Speaker 1: but now a potentially dangerous situation for the kids on
Speaker 1: the campus of Utah Valley University out there just outside
Speaker 1: Provo in Utah. This is a large campus. It's the
Speaker 1: largest public university in the state, but forty six thousand students.
Speaker 1: That is a significant community in Robes. Earlier, it was
Speaker 1: almost immediately after the shooting that there was video floating
Speaker 1: around that a suspect was in custody. There was video,
Speaker 1: in fact of a man being arrested, but there was
Speaker 1: some sense, at least for this campus, some sense of
Speaker 1: relief that the person wasn't on the run. This now
Speaker 1: we are talking about an assassin is on the loose
Speaker 1: as we.
Speaker 2: Speak, correct, and students have now been told that they
Speaker 2: need to shelter in place. But anyone who's still on
Speaker 2: campus right now, police are offering escorts to get them
Speaker 2: to where they need to be and to stay put.
Speaker 2: They're putting public transportation available out They want the kids
Speaker 2: as far away from this crime scene, but certainly this
Speaker 2: ongoing scene because they don't know where this gunman has
Speaker 2: fled to. This person is completely and totally at large.
Speaker 2: We haven't even gotten a description, because yeah, we were
Speaker 2: even noting how bizarre the man who they arrested looked.
Speaker 2: He didn't look the part. Not that there is a look,
Speaker 2: but certainly you wouldn't expect an older gentleman to be
Speaker 2: arrested for a crime like this in a sea of
Speaker 2: college students. So now we don't even have an idea
Speaker 2: of who the person is they're looking for, but we
Speaker 2: understand that several obviously, the FBI, SWAT teams, state police.
Speaker 2: I believe there are at least four separate agencies on the
Speaker 2: scene and I'm sure more coming that way trying to
Speaker 2: figure out and find and apprehend the person responsible for
Speaker 2: this heinous crime.
Speaker 1: But they were able to tell us very early on.
Speaker 1: At least the university was in a statement that whoever
Speaker 1: the gunman was fired from a building they believe some
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away. That suggests practice, precision, know how,
Speaker 1: certainly premeditation some staking out was involved. So a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about that, but that part will continue. I
Speaker 1: don't think robes no anyone has put anything out law
Speaker 1: enforcement that thinks that anyone else necessarily is a target
Speaker 1: or this person is a threat to someone else, because
Speaker 1: in a crowd of hundreds or maybe even thousands out
Speaker 1: there today. There was one shot that was heard, that
Speaker 1: was fired and one person was hit, and now that
Speaker 1: one person is dead.
Speaker 2: But now that person who committed that crime could be desperate.
Speaker 2: So it's just unclear what is going to happen next.
Speaker 2: But the focus right now is on thirty one year
Speaker 2: old Charlie Kirk, who has unexpectedly died on stage, literally
Speaker 2: under a tent, debating students taking his tour on the road,
Speaker 2: and ironically was talking about gun violence. The moment that
Speaker 2: one shot rang out.
Speaker 1: It was an odd point. Even when you do see it,
Speaker 1: you will see it. Don't encourage you to look at it,
Speaker 1: but it's there for all to see. And we heard
Speaker 1: the witness statements robes early on. Immediately some of the
Speaker 1: first witnesses we heard from, we're sall saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: That was just immediately, so much blood and they talked
Speaker 1: about him getting shot in the neck, but several of
Speaker 1: them just described how much blood there was. Look, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of kids that are out there college campus,
Speaker 1: you know, there were a lot of cameras up and
Speaker 1: sure enough, someone caught a fairly close shot of the
Speaker 1: moment and rooms watching it, and Sabine was just standing
Speaker 1: here with us, and she was asking, and I said, no,
Speaker 1: I mean she's got the internet. She can look it
Speaker 1: up herself. And said, nah, I don't want you to
Speaker 1: see this. It's devastating, is what happened. When you hear
Speaker 1: that pop as soon as his body reacts. He's wearing
Speaker 1: a white T shirt. There is just a river it
Speaker 1: seems of blood staining that shirt.
Speaker 2: And those are images that none of us will be
Speaker 2: able to get out of our heads. And I would
Speaker 2: argue none of us should get out of our heads
Speaker 2: because this is where we're at, that things have gotten
Speaker 2: to this level, where this is how we react. This
Speaker 2: is how we debate, This is how we show how
Speaker 2: we feel with hatred and violence. It's so alarming, it's
Speaker 2: so disturbing, and it's sad that it takes a moment
Speaker 2: like this for there to be a bipartisan reaction of
Speaker 2: similar vested interests. No one at least. We're hearing from
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans alike, everyone now saying enough, this can't
Speaker 2: keep happening. This is not okay. This is not how
Speaker 2: we solve our differences. This is not how we show
Speaker 2: each other how we feel about one another, and I
Speaker 2: hate that it takes something like this where we actually
Speaker 2: start to see and you know, I actually feel like
Speaker 2: a broken record, and I actually feel silly even saying
Speaker 2: this out loud. But you always keep thinking, Okay, this time,
Speaker 2: this time, when people see what happened, when we see
Speaker 2: what's at stake, when we see what our words turn into,
Speaker 2: will stop, We'll do better, will be better? Still waiting.
Speaker 1: And what the problem robes another problem with what you said,
Speaker 1: or your sentiment or what your hopes are is that
Speaker 1: we are having a different conversation, the conversation taking place
Speaker 1: in the arena that you and I don't spend as
Speaker 1: much time, and that's social media. We have a different
Speaker 1: measured type of conversation. We are friends and family that
Speaker 1: we disagree with over politics, we still talk and it's
Speaker 1: we don't get engaged and can't understand that today as
Speaker 1: we sit here, hours from this shooting happened and now
Speaker 1: this young man is dead, there are people out there
Speaker 1: openly celebrating the fact that he's dead.
Speaker 2: It's sickening.
Speaker 1: They are like their names are attached to some of
Speaker 1: the comments they are leaving about this young man.
Speaker 2: On TikTok on social media, and I've even had some
Speaker 2: people share with me text messages among people of a
Speaker 2: certain age who did not like Charlie Kirk, who did
Speaker 2: not like his politics, who have just seemingly reacted with callousness,
Speaker 2: with a disregard for human life. And again it's this
Speaker 2: point in which it's sad to me that young people,
Speaker 2: people who are supposed to be activists, people who are
Speaker 2: supposed to be fighting for the rights of all people and.
Speaker 1: Better than us, by the way, better than we've done.
Speaker 1: This is their turn now.
Speaker 2: Have dehumanized someone that they disagree with, have dehumanized someone
Speaker 2: who they don't like, And isn't that exactly what they
Speaker 2: accuse the other side of doing. That's the problem. So
Speaker 2: anyone who's taking any joy or pleasure or even a
Speaker 2: little celebration of the irony that he was killed by
Speaker 2: a gun and his stance on gun control, if anyone
Speaker 2: is taking any pleasure from that, ask yourself how you're
Speaker 2: any better than anyone else. That's what I feel so
Speaker 2: sick and by not just the fact that this has
Speaker 2: happened today, but the reaction we're seeing online and on
Speaker 2: social media. Young people especially celebrating his death.
Speaker 1: And look, folks, I if you aren't familiar with his
Speaker 1: name when you hear it, go ask anyone between the
Speaker 1: ages of twelve and twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know, maybe twelve and thirty.
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, he's all over. They know exactly who
Speaker 1: he is, to the point that yes, in fact, I
Speaker 1: had a twelve year old call and say, hey, did
Speaker 1: you hear what happened with Charlie Kirk my daughter? I'm like,
Speaker 1: how the hell do you know about this? We had
Speaker 1: just been on top of it. Yep, and that's why
Speaker 1: your daughters as well.
Speaker 2: Both of them texted me almost immediately.
Speaker 1: And both of them got their news from TikTok yah.
Speaker 1: So they are seeing this guy for the past couple
Speaker 1: of years in robes. I can applaud this is a guy.
Speaker 1: He was thirty one years old. He's been sharing a
Speaker 1: stage with the President of the United States. He's been
Speaker 1: running in very high circles at his very young age
Speaker 1: because he was passionate about something early on, he built it,
Speaker 1: he stuck with it. Look, you can think whatever you
Speaker 1: want to think about his ideas about his politics, but
Speaker 1: there's something still you look at the guy what he
Speaker 1: was able to do, and it's impressive and there is
Speaker 1: some passion or talent in there somewhere, and it's just
Speaker 1: a damn shame that someone who was able to achieve
Speaker 1: what he was able to achieve, even if you hate
Speaker 1: his politics, has taken out like this.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I mean he he his voice resonated
Speaker 2: with a segment of the population that politicians are rarely
Speaker 2: able to resonate with, the young audience. He had millions
Speaker 2: of listeners, He had a daily time talk show, social
Speaker 2: media channels. He knew how to reach kids of a
Speaker 2: certain age, and then for him to pursue his passion
Speaker 2: and actually talk conservative ideals with young folks. He actually
Speaker 2: was very clever in creating this setup where he would
Speaker 2: debate liberal students and prove me wrong. And so now
Speaker 2: you're engaging, you're engaging these kids, especially the ones that
Speaker 2: disagree with you, and now you're creating a really entertaining
Speaker 2: and lively discussion, debate, conversation. But to think that that
Speaker 2: fueled someone who hated him so much, it's sad that
Speaker 2: we talk about how words are weapons and words matter,
Speaker 2: and the way you speak and who you speak to
Speaker 2: and how you choose your words matter. It can be
Speaker 2: life or death. You can anger someone so much. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he did nothing personally to this person, but something
Speaker 2: he said or the things he believed in created so
Speaker 2: much anger and hatred. It's just appalling.
Speaker 1: Again, as of this recording, we do not know who
Speaker 1: this shooter is. We do not know what the motives
Speaker 1: might be. But there is really no other way to
Speaker 1: think about this other than this conservative superstar, young man
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk is dead and has been targeted at an
Speaker 1: event on a Utah university today. We call him Robes,
Speaker 1: a conservative superstar, a Trump ally, a friend to the way,
Speaker 1: call um all these things, husband and father to two
Speaker 1: very young kids. That's how you humanize the story, right,
Speaker 1: He's to call him an activist and he's a supporter,
Speaker 1: and he's an ally, And that's a dude who is
Speaker 1: a dad to two little little bitty babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we've been watching all the news coverage and
Speaker 2: they're putting up the family photos and you're seeing him
Speaker 2: not behind a podium, or not with a microphone in
Speaker 2: his hand, or you know, behind political signs. No, he's
Speaker 2: just there with his family on a beach, hugging them, laughing, smiling.
Speaker 2: You're seeing that side of him that I think so
Speaker 2: many people look at politicians through a different lens, as
Speaker 2: if they're nothing but a talking head that's saying things
Speaker 2: they don't like.
Speaker 1: And folks, we are going to We mentioned it a
Speaker 1: moment ago, some of the things we are seeing out there,
Speaker 1: some of the comments we're seeing out there. We want
Speaker 1: to just give you an idea. You might not go
Speaker 1: hunt them down yourself, and I don't encourage you to
Speaker 1: go track them down yourselves, but we're going to share
Speaker 1: with you some of the reaction out there from people
Speaker 1: who may have had a difference of opinion politically with
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, just here on the day he has been
Speaker 1: shot and killed, the type of comments that they are
Speaker 1: publicly writing about him. We continue now here, folks, on
Speaker 1: a still developing, disturbing story out of Utah, where Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 1: a conservative superstar, a friend and ally to Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: has been shot and killed on the campus of the
Speaker 1: Utah Valley University while holding an event there in which
Speaker 1: he was speaking to students and rogues. I mentioned that
Speaker 1: even if some people here aren't familiar with his name,
Speaker 1: a lot of young people are because he is very
Speaker 1: much active. They know him on social media TikTok in particular,
Speaker 1: where kids are exchanging ideas politically and they're doing it
Speaker 1: with a guy who kind of looks like them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair to say that Sabine Ava and Analyse
Speaker 2: knew of and knew about Charlie Kirk far more than
Speaker 2: I did. And they are I mean, I am getting
Speaker 2: NonStop texts from my oldest who is sending me all
Speaker 2: of the things she's seeing either through her friends or online.
Speaker 2: Some of them are more tempered, but none of them
Speaker 2: are sympath or empathetic. In fact, a lot of them
Speaker 2: are snarky and mean and and it's frightening to think
Speaker 2: that he engaged this younger audience. And certainly he had
Speaker 2: a huge following of conservative young folks who actually helped
Speaker 2: to get Trump elected, But he also created another group
Speaker 2: of young folks who absolutely couldn't stand what he was
Speaker 2: saying and felt angered towards him and wanted to debate him.
Speaker 2: And hopefully it was a healthy debate in the forms
Speaker 2: the public forms that they took place. But certainly, when
Speaker 2: you go onto a place like social media TikTok, you're
Speaker 2: going to get some some pretty angry comments.
Speaker 1: But he's dead, not today. I mean, you could say
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff you lead with on this day.
Speaker 1: This stuff is it's shocking how much of it is
Speaker 1: out there that people are willing. Maybe they don't think
Speaker 1: anything's wrong with it, is that where we are now
Speaker 1: that this is okay? You too.
Speaker 2: They think that if if you are going to make
Speaker 2: comments about gun control and then you get shot by
Speaker 2: a gun, they're kind of like saying karma that kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, And folks, these are going to be direct quotes
Speaker 1: to comments people were making on social media to word
Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk had been shot, and that Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: has been killed. You have some as well, to have
Speaker 1: a list. Yeah, he wants to start, you can go ahead, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll start with this. Someone wrote, is the bullet? Okay?
Speaker 1: Another wrote this was before we knew he had died?
Speaker 1: Oh no, what if he survives? Another writing after he
Speaker 1: had robes is after he had passed away? They wrote simply, finally,
Speaker 1: that is so chilling.
Speaker 2: How about gone too late? God is good?
Speaker 1: And there were several out there who would write something
Speaker 1: like this. Okay, moving on, I'm saying, like, all right,
Speaker 1: onto my laund right now, that kind of thing, just
Speaker 1: to just death, even celebrating the death of someone over political.
Speaker 2: Views, and then to have a callous attitude about that,
Speaker 2: this one, this one, how about this? Rest in peace?
Speaker 2: But if you claim you're willing to die on that hill,
Speaker 2: don't be shocked when you do. It's almost just a
Speaker 2: righteousness about that. It's get you read what you sew
Speaker 2: without any any acknowledgment of this tremendous loss. That there
Speaker 2: was a murder, a callous murder that took place in
Speaker 2: front of a thousand college students for what to prove what?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm looking. I was thinking of something
Speaker 1: as you got. I'm saying, if you whatever, probably probably
Speaker 1: somebody out there who thinks silencing him or not having
Speaker 1: his voice or influence is good for their political leanings.
Speaker 1: But what if you can't beat them? Is this what
Speaker 1: we If you can't beat them, you shoot them? Is
Speaker 1: that what we're is that the lane were going that
Speaker 1: you couldn't shout him down enough, you couldn't combat him
Speaker 1: with your own movement, So we had to do this
Speaker 1: and and all this we got word actually and I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is surprising. It was a little unorthodox,
Speaker 1: I guess, but we got word about his death not
Speaker 1: from law enforcement, not from hospital, not from a news
Speaker 1: source Robes. It was bizarre. Everybody was reporting the same
Speaker 1: source was giving the news.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was from Donald Trump. In fact, all the
Speaker 2: lower thirds the graphics that you see all had Trump
Speaker 2: attributed to this, that in fact Charlie Kirk had died.
Speaker 2: But Donald Trump put this out on truth Social and
Speaker 2: this is how we all found out about his passing.
Speaker 2: The great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No
Speaker 2: one understood or had the heart of the youth in
Speaker 2: the United States of America better than Charlie. He was
Speaker 2: loved and admired by all, especially me, And now he
Speaker 2: is no longer with us. Milania and my sympathies go
Speaker 2: out to his beautiful wife Erica and family. Charlie. We
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 1: Again, folks. This is still a developing story because there
Speaker 1: is a huge campus and a huge campus community in
Speaker 1: fear in Utah right now. There is as of this recording,
Speaker 1: a just a gunman Robes an assassin still on the
Speaker 1: loops out there.
Speaker 2: Wow, and a lot of folks are reacting. In fact,
Speaker 2: we just heard word from former president of Barack Obama
Speaker 2: who said, we don't know yet what motivated the person
Speaker 2: who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of
Speaker 2: despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and
Speaker 2: I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife,
Speaker 2: Erica and their two young children. So yes, so many
Speaker 2: folks mourning the loss of Charlie Kirk, condemning the violence.
Speaker 2: But this gunman is still on the loose, and so
Speaker 2: we will continue to monitor this developing story and bring
Speaker 2: you any warranted updates on this. But certainly, well, we
Speaker 2: just hope, as we kind of ended this last episode
Speaker 2: on the shooting itself, but please, we just hope this
Speaker 2: can be a reminder to everybody to lower the temperature
Speaker 2: and open your hearts, open your minds, and let's not
Speaker 2: be so judgmental, and let's not react so viciously to
Speaker 2: people who don't believe what we do. It's just an
Speaker 2: awful day, but a clear reminder of what we need
Speaker 2: to do to improve this country we're living in. And
Speaker 2: with that, thank you for listening to us. I made
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