WEBVTT - BREAKING UPDATE: Charlie Kirk Has Died.  Assassin on The Loose.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. It is September tenth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>We are recording once again because Charlie Kirk has died.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ that we

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<v Speaker 1>are recording Robes just not long after the previous one

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<v Speaker 1>when we got word that the conservative activists, Trump's supporter

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<v Speaker 1>and Maga Darling have been shot on a campus at

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<v Speaker 1>a university in Utah. But it wasn't too terribly long

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards and rogues everyone said, who was there? It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look good. Sure enough, he has passed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly sad, just thirty one years old. Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a husband, he's a father of two children, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was murdered. And in the last episode we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>yet know that he had passed. We knew it was serious,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also had verified reports from the university that

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<v Speaker 2>is suspect was in custody. Well, a lot has changed

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<v Speaker 2>since our last episode because now police have told us

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<v Speaker 2>and the university has confirmed that assassin, the person who

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<v Speaker 2>murdered thirty one year old Charlie Kirk, is at large

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<v Speaker 2>and police are now going building to building trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find the gunman.

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<v Speaker 1>So this now Folks is an ongoing certainly still developing,

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<v Speaker 1>but now a potentially dangerous situation for the kids on

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<v Speaker 1>the campus of Utah Valley University out there just outside

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<v Speaker 1>Provo in Utah. This is a large campus. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>largest public university in the state, but forty six thousand students.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a significant community in Robes. Earlier, it was

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately after the shooting that there was video floating

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<v Speaker 1>around that a suspect was in custody. There was video,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact of a man being arrested, but there was

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<v Speaker 1>some sense, at least for this campus, some sense of

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<v Speaker 1>relief that the person wasn't on the run. This now

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about an assassin is on the loose

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<v Speaker 1>as we.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak, correct, and students have now been told that they

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<v Speaker 2>need to shelter in place. But anyone who's still on

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<v Speaker 2>campus right now, police are offering escorts to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to where they need to be and to stay put.

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<v Speaker 2>They're putting public transportation available out They want the kids

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<v Speaker 2>as far away from this crime scene, but certainly this

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing scene because they don't know where this gunman has

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<v Speaker 2>fled to. This person is completely and totally at large.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't even gotten a description, because yeah, we were

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<v Speaker 2>even noting how bizarre the man who they arrested looked.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't look the part. Not that there is a look,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly you wouldn't expect an older gentleman to be

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for a crime like this in a sea of

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<v Speaker 2>college students. So now we don't even have an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of who the person is they're looking for, but we

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<v Speaker 2>understand that several obviously, the FBI, SWAT teams, state police.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe there are at least four separate agencies on the

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<v Speaker 2>scene and I'm sure more coming that way trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out and find and apprehend the person responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>this heinous crime.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were able to tell us very early on.

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<v Speaker 1>At least the university was in a statement that whoever

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<v Speaker 1>the gunman was fired from a building they believe some

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred yards away. That suggests practice, precision, know how,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly premeditation some staking out was involved. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions about that, but that part will continue. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think robes no anyone has put anything out law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement that thinks that anyone else necessarily is a target

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<v Speaker 1>or this person is a threat to someone else, because

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<v Speaker 1>in a crowd of hundreds or maybe even thousands out

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<v Speaker 1>there today. There was one shot that was heard, that

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<v Speaker 1>was fired and one person was hit, and now that

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<v Speaker 1>one person is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that person who committed that crime could be desperate.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just unclear what is going to happen next.

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<v Speaker 2>But the focus right now is on thirty one year

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<v Speaker 2>old Charlie Kirk, who has unexpectedly died on stage, literally

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<v Speaker 2>under a tent, debating students taking his tour on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>and ironically was talking about gun violence. The moment that

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<v Speaker 2>one shot rang out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an odd point. Even when you do see it,

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<v Speaker 1>you will see it. Don't encourage you to look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's there for all to see. And we heard

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<v Speaker 1>the witness statements robes early on. Immediately some of the

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<v Speaker 1>first witnesses we heard from, we're sall saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just immediately, so much blood and they talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him getting shot in the neck, but several of

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<v Speaker 1>them just described how much blood there was. Look, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids that are out there college campus,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there were a lot of cameras up and

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<v Speaker 1>sure enough, someone caught a fairly close shot of the

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<v Speaker 1>moment and rooms watching it, and Sabine was just standing

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<v Speaker 1>here with us, and she was asking, and I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she's got the internet. She can look it

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<v Speaker 1>up herself. And said, nah, I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>see this. It's devastating, is what happened. When you hear

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<v Speaker 1>that pop as soon as his body reacts. He's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a white T shirt. There is just a river it

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<v Speaker 1>seems of blood staining that shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>And those are images that none of us will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get out of our heads. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>argue none of us should get out of our heads

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<v Speaker 2>because this is where we're at, that things have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>to this level, where this is how we react. This

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<v Speaker 2>is how we debate, This is how we show how

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<v Speaker 2>we feel with hatred and violence. It's so alarming, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so disturbing, and it's sad that it takes a moment

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<v Speaker 2>like this for there to be a bipartisan reaction of

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<v Speaker 2>similar vested interests. No one at least. We're hearing from

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats and Republicans alike, everyone now saying enough, this can't

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<v Speaker 2>keep happening. This is not okay. This is not how

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<v Speaker 2>we solve our differences. This is not how we show

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<v Speaker 2>each other how we feel about one another, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hate that it takes something like this where we actually

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<v Speaker 2>start to see and you know, I actually feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a broken record, and I actually feel silly even saying

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<v Speaker 2>this out loud. But you always keep thinking, Okay, this time,

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<v Speaker 2>this time, when people see what happened, when we see

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<v Speaker 2>what's at stake, when we see what our words turn into,

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<v Speaker 2>will stop, We'll do better, will be better? Still waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the problem robes another problem with what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>or your sentiment or what your hopes are is that

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<v Speaker 1>we are having a different conversation, the conversation taking place

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<v Speaker 1>in the arena that you and I don't spend as

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<v Speaker 1>much time, and that's social media. We have a different

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<v Speaker 1>measured type of conversation. We are friends and family that

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<v Speaker 1>we disagree with over politics, we still talk and it's

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<v Speaker 1>we don't get engaged and can't understand that today as

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<v Speaker 1>we sit here, hours from this shooting happened and now

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<v Speaker 1>this young man is dead, there are people out there

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<v Speaker 1>openly celebrating the fact that he's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sickening.

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<v Speaker 1>They are like their names are attached to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the comments they are leaving about this young man.

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<v Speaker 2>On TikTok on social media, and I've even had some

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<v Speaker 2>people share with me text messages among people of a

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<v Speaker 2>certain age who did not like Charlie Kirk, who did

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<v Speaker 2>not like his politics, who have just seemingly reacted with callousness,

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<v Speaker 2>with a disregard for human life. And again it's this

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<v Speaker 2>point in which it's sad to me that young people,

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<v Speaker 2>people who are supposed to be activists, people who are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be fighting for the rights of all people and.

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<v Speaker 1>Better than us, by the way, better than we've done.

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<v Speaker 1>This is their turn now.

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<v Speaker 2>Have dehumanized someone that they disagree with, have dehumanized someone

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<v Speaker 2>who they don't like, And isn't that exactly what they

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<v Speaker 2>accuse the other side of doing. That's the problem. So

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's taking any joy or pleasure or even a

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<v Speaker 2>little celebration of the irony that he was killed by

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<v Speaker 2>a gun and his stance on gun control, if anyone

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<v Speaker 2>is taking any pleasure from that, ask yourself how you're

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<v Speaker 2>any better than anyone else. That's what I feel so

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<v Speaker 2>sick and by not just the fact that this has

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<v Speaker 2>happened today, but the reaction we're seeing online and on

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<v Speaker 2>social media. Young people especially celebrating his death.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, folks, I if you aren't familiar with his

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<v Speaker 1>name when you hear it, go ask anyone between the

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<v Speaker 1>ages of twelve and twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't know, maybe twelve and thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Yes, he's all over. They know exactly who

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<v Speaker 1>he is, to the point that yes, in fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a twelve year old call and say, hey, did

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<v Speaker 1>you hear what happened with Charlie Kirk my daughter? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how the hell do you know about this? We had

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<v Speaker 1>just been on top of it. Yep, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>your daughters as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Both of them texted me almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>And both of them got their news from TikTok yah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are seeing this guy for the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years in robes. I can applaud this is a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was thirty one years old. He's been sharing a

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<v Speaker 1>stage with the President of the United States. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>running in very high circles at his very young age

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<v Speaker 1>because he was passionate about something early on, he built it,

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<v Speaker 1>he stuck with it. Look, you can think whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to think about his ideas about his politics, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's something still you look at the guy what he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to do, and it's impressive and there is

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<v Speaker 1>some passion or talent in there somewhere, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a damn shame that someone who was able to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>what he was able to achieve, even if you hate

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<v Speaker 1>his politics, has taken out like this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I mean he he his voice resonated

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<v Speaker 2>with a segment of the population that politicians are rarely

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<v Speaker 2>able to resonate with, the young audience. He had millions

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<v Speaker 2>of listeners, He had a daily time talk show, social

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<v Speaker 2>media channels. He knew how to reach kids of a

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<v Speaker 2>certain age, and then for him to pursue his passion

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<v Speaker 2>and actually talk conservative ideals with young folks. He actually

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<v Speaker 2>was very clever in creating this setup where he would

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<v Speaker 2>debate liberal students and prove me wrong. And so now

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<v Speaker 2>you're engaging, you're engaging these kids, especially the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with you, and now you're creating a really entertaining

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<v Speaker 2>and lively discussion, debate, conversation. But to think that that

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<v Speaker 2>fueled someone who hated him so much, it's sad that

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about how words are weapons and words matter,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way you speak and who you speak to

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<v Speaker 2>and how you choose your words matter. It can be

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<v Speaker 2>life or death. You can anger someone so much. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he did nothing personally to this person, but something

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<v Speaker 2>he said or the things he believed in created so

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<v Speaker 2>much anger and hatred. It's just appalling.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, as of this recording, we do not know who

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<v Speaker 1>this shooter is. We do not know what the motives

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<v Speaker 1>might be. But there is really no other way to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this other than this conservative superstar, young man

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk is dead and has been targeted at an

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<v Speaker 1>event on a Utah university today. We call him Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative superstar, a Trump ally, a friend to the way,

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<v Speaker 1>call um all these things, husband and father to two

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<v Speaker 1>very young kids. That's how you humanize the story, right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's to call him an activist and he's a supporter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's an ally, And that's a dude who is

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<v Speaker 1>a dad to two little little bitty babies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And we've been watching all the news coverage and

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<v Speaker 2>they're putting up the family photos and you're seeing him

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<v Speaker 2>not behind a podium, or not with a microphone in

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<v Speaker 2>his hand, or you know, behind political signs. No, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just there with his family on a beach, hugging them, laughing, smiling.

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<v Speaker 2>You're seeing that side of him that I think so

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<v Speaker 2>many people look at politicians through a different lens, as

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<v Speaker 2>if they're nothing but a talking head that's saying things

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>And folks, we are going to We mentioned it a

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<v Speaker 1>moment ago, some of the things we are seeing out there,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the comments we're seeing out there. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to just give you an idea. You might not go

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<v Speaker 1>hunt them down yourself, and I don't encourage you to

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<v Speaker 1>go track them down yourselves, but we're going to share

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<v Speaker 1>with you some of the reaction out there from people

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<v Speaker 1>who may have had a difference of opinion politically with

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk, just here on the day he has been

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed, the type of comments that they are

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<v Speaker 1>publicly writing about him. We continue now here, folks, on

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<v Speaker 1>a still developing, disturbing story out of Utah, where Charlie Kirk,

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative superstar, a friend and ally to Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>has been shot and killed on the campus of the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Valley University while holding an event there in which

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<v Speaker 1>he was speaking to students and rogues. I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>even if some people here aren't familiar with his name,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of young people are because he is very

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<v Speaker 1>much active. They know him on social media TikTok in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>where kids are exchanging ideas politically and they're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>with a guy who kind of looks like them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fair to say that Sabine Ava and Analyse

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<v Speaker 2>knew of and knew about Charlie Kirk far more than

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<v Speaker 2>I did. And they are I mean, I am getting

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<v Speaker 2>NonStop texts from my oldest who is sending me all

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<v Speaker 2>of the things she's seeing either through her friends or online.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them are more tempered, but none of them

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<v Speaker 2>are sympath or empathetic. In fact, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 2>are snarky and mean and and it's frightening to think

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<v Speaker 2>that he engaged this younger audience. And certainly he had

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<v Speaker 2>a huge following of conservative young folks who actually helped

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<v Speaker 2>to get Trump elected, But he also created another group

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<v Speaker 2>of young folks who absolutely couldn't stand what he was

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<v Speaker 2>saying and felt angered towards him and wanted to debate him.

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully it was a healthy debate in the forms

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<v Speaker 2>the public forms that they took place. But certainly, when

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<v Speaker 2>you go onto a place like social media TikTok, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get some some pretty angry comments.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's dead, not today. I mean, you could say

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff you lead with on this day.

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<v Speaker 1>This stuff is it's shocking how much of it is

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<v Speaker 1>out there that people are willing. Maybe they don't think

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<v Speaker 1>anything's wrong with it, is that where we are now

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<v Speaker 1>that this is okay? You too.

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<v Speaker 2>They think that if if you are going to make

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<v Speaker 2>comments about gun control and then you get shot by

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<v Speaker 2>a gun, they're kind of like saying karma that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And folks, these are going to be direct quotes

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<v Speaker 1>to comments people were making on social media to word

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<v Speaker 1>that Charlie Kirk had been shot, and that Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>has been killed. You have some as well, to have

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<v Speaker 1>a list. Yeah, he wants to start, you can go ahead, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll start with this. Someone wrote, is the bullet? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Another wrote this was before we knew he had died?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, what if he survives? Another writing after he

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<v Speaker 1>had robes is after he had passed away? They wrote simply, finally,

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<v Speaker 1>that is so chilling.

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<v Speaker 2>How about gone too late? God is good?

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<v Speaker 1>And there were several out there who would write something

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Okay, moving on, I'm saying, like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>onto my laund right now, that kind of thing, just

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<v Speaker 1>to just death, even celebrating the death of someone over political.

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<v Speaker 2>Views, and then to have a callous attitude about that,

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<v Speaker 2>this one, this one, how about this? Rest in peace?

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<v Speaker 2>But if you claim you're willing to die on that hill,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be shocked when you do. It's almost just a

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<v Speaker 2>righteousness about that. It's get you read what you sew

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<v Speaker 2>without any any acknowledgment of this tremendous loss. That there

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<v Speaker 2>was a murder, a callous murder that took place in

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<v Speaker 2>front of a thousand college students for what to prove what?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm looking. I was thinking of something

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<v Speaker 1>as you got. I'm saying, if you whatever, probably probably

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<v Speaker 1>somebody out there who thinks silencing him or not having

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<v Speaker 1>his voice or influence is good for their political leanings.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if you can't beat them? Is this what

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<v Speaker 1>we If you can't beat them, you shoot them? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what we're is that the lane were going that

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't shout him down enough, you couldn't combat him

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<v Speaker 1>with your own movement, So we had to do this

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<v Speaker 1>and and all this we got word actually and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is surprising. It was a little unorthodox,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, but we got word about his death not

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<v Speaker 1>from law enforcement, not from hospital, not from a news

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<v Speaker 1>source Robes. It was bizarre. Everybody was reporting the same

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<v Speaker 1>source was giving the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was from Donald Trump. In fact, all the

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<v Speaker 2>lower thirds the graphics that you see all had Trump

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to this, that in fact Charlie Kirk had died.

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<v Speaker 2>But Donald Trump put this out on truth Social and

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<v Speaker 2>this is how we all found out about his passing.

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<v Speaker 2>The great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No

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<v Speaker 2>one understood or had the heart of the youth in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States of America better than Charlie. He was

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<v Speaker 2>loved and admired by all, especially me, And now he

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer with us. Milania and my sympathies go

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<v Speaker 2>out to his beautiful wife Erica and family. Charlie. We

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<v Speaker 2>love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, folks. This is still a developing story because there

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge campus and a huge campus community in

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<v Speaker 1>fear in Utah right now. There is as of this recording,

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<v Speaker 1>a just a gunman Robes an assassin still on the

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<v Speaker 1>loops out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and a lot of folks are reacting. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>we just heard word from former president of Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 2>who said, we don't know yet what motivated the person

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<v Speaker 2>who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and

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<v Speaker 2>I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Erica and their two young children. So yes, so many

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<v Speaker 2>folks mourning the loss of Charlie Kirk, condemning the violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But this gunman is still on the loose, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we will continue to monitor this developing story and bring

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<v Speaker 2>you any warranted updates on this. But certainly, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>just hope, as we kind of ended this last episode

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<v Speaker 2>on the shooting itself, but please, we just hope this

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<v Speaker 2>can be a reminder to everybody to lower the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>and open your hearts, open your minds, and let's not

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<v Speaker 2>be so judgmental, and let's not react so viciously to

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<v Speaker 2>people who don't believe what we do. It's just an

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<v Speaker 2>awful day, but a clear reminder of what we need

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<v Speaker 2>to do to improve this country we're living in. And

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<v Speaker 2>with that, thank you for listening to us. I made

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<v Speaker 2>me Roebuck alongside t J Holmes, we'll see you soon.