1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We're on every day 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: from one until four, and then after four o'clock John 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. We have 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: him hooked up all right on the screen it says unavailable, 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: So I was a little confused. We are going to 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: talk now because one of the big stories of the 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: week is the menandas brothers getting a hearing. There are 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: several avenues that they are testing to see if they 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: could get their freedom. One of them it was clemency 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: from Governor Newsom, and he says no, not right now. 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: He's going to defer to Nathan Hockman. The second is 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to go for a resentencing, and George Gascon has agreed 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: to make that argument in court. Hackman's going to have 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: to take over that part of the case and they 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: could get resentenced and be let out immediately for their 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: time served. Third is Mark Darragos is pursuing a new 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: trial because there's been new evidence letters to indicate that 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: there was sexual abuse going on between the father and 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: the brothers, and that that's the reason for a third trial. 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: So that's also going to be heard. I guess all 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: this stuff has been postponed till January. Now let's get 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Mark aragos On, who seems to be the main attorney 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: for the Menendez boys. Now, Mark, how are you. 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: How about you? 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: And by the way, that up until the very end 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: was about as cogent and accurate a summary as I've 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 4: heard out of anybody on this. 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm getting good at this after all these years. 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: I was going to say, that was pretty incredible. So 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: there are three avenues you had almost exactly right. The 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: resentencing hearing was yesterday. 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: We took both. 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: Terry Barlto, who is Close's older sister, testified and Joan Vandermullen, 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: who is Kitty's older sister, testified. Terry is eighty five, 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: Jones turns actually jones birthday is today, she's ninety three. 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: Both of the sisters who are the victims in this 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: case because for the next of kin, both argued, I 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: know they argued. They both strenuously asked the judge to 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: release them and that thirty five years is enough. And 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: that's heard in front of Judge Jessic and Van Eys. 43 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: Today was the day that the habeas informal reply is 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: due by the DA's office. I suspect that that is 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: going They're going to request another continuance for that, and 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: as you said, the new DA takes over next weekend. 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: The governor has said, because we've also filed for clemency, 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: and the governor said, in the interests of kind of 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: listening to the voters, so to speak, he's going to 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: let Hakman Nathan com and evaluate and see if he 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: agrees with Gascon or not. 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: So that's the state of play. 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: Right And I understand that there have been a lot 54 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: of laws passed in California in the last thirty five 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: years and that have given them the legal right to 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: ask for resentencing and to consider the child abuse. I 57 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: understand all that. I don't know if morality arguments work 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: with you at all, But I just briefly went through 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Wikipedia looking at the details of the crime and then 60 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: blown off the heads of their parents, jose and Kitty, 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: and how much money they spent in the months afterwards. 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: It was hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the lying 63 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: to police, they were indicating that it might have been 64 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: some kind of a mob hit, and it seems it 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: was very well planned, premeditated, extremely brutal, and there was 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: no remorse on their parts. And I'm just saying, out 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of all the crimes out there, really them an ende 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: brothers getting out early? 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Well what is early? What is early? 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: Because let mean earlier? 71 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: And then fifty years to life sentence that they got. 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 3: No, they didn't get they didn't get fifty years to life. 73 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: They got life without parole. 74 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: If they got fifty years to life, they would be 75 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: eligible for parole. 76 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: Let's go life without parol. 77 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: So let me just give you, let me just give 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: you the facts so that we can have a good 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: discourse about this. The first trial, they were allowed to 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: assert as what's called imperfect self defense. Leslie Abramson was 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: able to call witnesses who talked about the abuse and 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: two separate juries, one for Lyal one for Eric. And 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: when the two separate juries hurt all of this evidence, 84 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: more than half voted not guilty for murder and guilty 85 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: for manslaughter, so they were hung. The second trial, with 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: one just one jury, started eight days after the evidence started, 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: eight days after OJ was acquitted, and the judge dramatically 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: curtailed their ability to use the imperfect self defense and 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: allowed the DA on top of it to argue in 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: closing that it was an abuse excuse and used basically 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: the summary of what you just said. They spent a 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: lot of money, it was an excuse, their rich kids, 93 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. They blew their heads off, and the 94 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: jury then found them guilty of murder. 95 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: And I. 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: Never understood John. I'll tell you this, but I was 97 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: practicing back in the nineties here in LA and I 98 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: tried a case a woman by the name of Yoshi 99 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: Kale who had killed her husband, and we tried that 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: case in nineteen ninety four nineteen ninety five. I was 101 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: able to use battered woman syndrome for her. She eventually 102 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: got a voluntary manslaughter in probation straight probation. If they 103 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: had been given the opportunity to present the case that 104 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: they presented the first time around, I don't believe they. 105 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: Would have been convicted of murder. 106 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: And they they weren't convicted a murder, they wouldn't have 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: been sent to life without parole. 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: So let me I just want to point out that 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: it is life without parole. You're correct. According to CNN, 110 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Gascon says if they get resentenced to life without parole. 111 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: It would now mean fifty years to life. 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: What He's what. 113 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: The fact that you're invoking CNN is almost the too delicious. 114 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: I remember how famous you got on CNN every week 115 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: on Larry King's shown when you were developing your career. 116 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: I was on there last night. 117 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: Actually, well, there you go. 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: That's why I guess that's why I shouldn't believe anything 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: I hear on CNN. 120 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: I was just going to say that kind of counter 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: is that's the counter argument to you. 122 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: What he what? 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: Gascon has filed in where I say Gascon the recenencing 124 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: Unit is that they should be re sentenced that and 125 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: they filed yesterday. It's actually topical that you said this. 126 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: The DA's office filed yesterday a request to remove the 127 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: special circumstance. The special circumstance is the allegation that makes 128 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: this a life without parole. And if that is removed, 129 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: then the judge, and by the way, the judge doesn't 130 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: need the DA to do that. The judge can do 131 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: it himself under current law. He can recall the sentence 132 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 3: and he can sentence them to just a first degree murder, 133 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: which would be fifty to life if they were consented, 134 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: or he could pick a second, or he can pick 135 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: a manslaughter. He can do it what's called lesser included. 136 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: So that's kind of the formal legal analysis of it. 137 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: And I'll just let me just push back again on 138 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: this because you make points that I've heard out there 139 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: and I understand, but people always say, well. 140 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: What about Kitty. 141 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: Remember Kitty's sister who is the victim, Joan Vanderbollen birthday 142 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: girl today at ninety three years young. She's there, she 143 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: understands it, and she says it's enough time. And so 144 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: if we're not listening to the victims, who are we 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: listening to. 146 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think she gets that call. It wasn't 147 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: her head that was blown off, Actually I don't. I mean, 148 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: you go to elderly woman who suffered this horrible trauma 149 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: and try to squeeze some sympathy out as one of 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: the arguments not come on, let's go. 151 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: I would just I would push back on that also, John, 152 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 3: because I would tell you that you've got a constitution here, 153 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: and you're a guy who wants to believe in the constitution. 154 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: I've heard you argue forcefully about the constitution, and we 155 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: have Marcy's law here and Marcy's laws victims. 156 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: They like the way in. 157 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Taking way in, but I don't want to follow their 158 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: advice necessarily. Let me ask you about Kitty, though, because 159 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: that's a response I get from people. Even if you 160 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: acknowledge all the horrible things that Jose the five did 161 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: sexually to the boys and then double it, was there 162 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: any evidence that Kitty participated in any of the sexual abuse? 163 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: She enforced what was called the hallway rule. Do you 164 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: know what the hallway rule was? 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: I heard it discussed during the case. Why don't you 166 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: explain it? 167 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: Sure? 168 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,359 Speaker 3: The hallway rule was if Jose was in the bedroom 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: down the hallway with either of his sons, that the 170 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: rule was, and Kitty enforced it, you could not go 171 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: down the hallway. It's been testified to under oath by 172 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: cousins and by other relatives that the hallway rule was. 173 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: That in fact, the Roy Rosella, who is the Minudo 174 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: band member who also recently has alleged that Jose. 175 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: As well. He said, well, she enabled it to. 176 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: Happen, but she didn't commit any sexual abuse directly, so 177 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: she got the death penalty regarding the hallway the. 178 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: Do you remember the trial? Do you remember the pictures 179 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: she had, the naked pictures of the boys that she had. 180 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: Do you remember any of the other evidence that actually 181 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: was admitted in the court which lent she enabler would 182 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: be the best spin on it. I don't like to 183 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: speak ill of people who were deceased, but there was 184 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: a full blown trial thirty years ago. 185 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: No I know. 186 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: And that's that said all of this And by the 187 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: way it came, if you talked to one of the jurors, 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: it really broke back thirty years ago along gender lines. 189 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: Males you weren't buying it like you and females understood it. 190 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: And by the way, John, I'll bet you even you 191 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: would admit that if they were the Menendez sisters, they 192 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: would not have been sentenced to life without parole. 193 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: If they were Menendez sisters, well maybe they should be 194 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: without pearl. 195 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: They were girls. 196 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: You're talking about the fates. 197 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Anybody would have had the doubts. 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: You're talking, but you're talking about the emotional weaknesses that 199 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: people have when they get on juries and how they 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: can be manipulated in you spend your life trying to 201 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: manipulate the jurors, Yes, you do. 202 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: What is a what does a prosecutor do, John, they 203 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: don't manipulate jurors that the prosecutors thinking idealiz baalistic or 204 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: pure motivation in this case, so they don't show awful 205 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: pictures to try and manipulate. 206 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: Of course, of. 207 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: Course what they have in this case. What in this 208 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: case let me let me have a problem with in 209 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: this case, what the prosecutors have on their side were 210 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: the actual blown off heads, which yeah, which just the 211 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: existence on. 212 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: Their side we remember. 213 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: But John, you want to just YouTube Pam bizanage and 214 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: men can't be raped, and. 215 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: You will see that the DA's office took the. 216 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: Position argued in court and it's you can you can 217 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: google it that boys couldn't be raped. They accused Eric 218 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: of being gay because they said they couldn't understand bastin 219 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: place no good first trials said that he couldn't believe 220 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: that he would have the amount of detail he had. 221 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: So therefore, except Er, those are horrible kinds of things. 222 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: This wasn't self defense in front of a jury back 223 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: then their age is eighteen and twenty one, and they 224 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: could walk out the doors. 225 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 3: Also under the Youthful Offenders Act, John. 226 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: Which is part of the state law. In this in this. 227 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Very at eighteen twenty one. They were grown men and 228 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: they could have gone out the front door, and instead 229 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: they went and they got shotguns and blew their heads. 230 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: I've heard that. 231 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: I've heard that, tell. 232 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 3: You how many times, John, And all I would tell 233 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: you is that if you were to talk to anybody 234 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: who's dealt with this kind of trauma, if you talk 235 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 3: to any expert, or if you talk to survivors, they 236 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: will tell you that that's an awfully easy statement to make. 237 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: If you haven't been abused, they would tell you, I mean, 238 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: you're that same argument John, you could use against in 239 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: domestic violence cases that women who end up killing their 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: abusers they could have walked out the door. Show. 241 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: I said, make that same eye I have. 242 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: When I think, John, I think women should get up 243 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: and get out and walk out the door, not take 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: the abuse. I don't see any other choice to make 245 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: other than look out the door. 246 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: And I, yeah, you and I can disagree on that. 247 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: I think that's an awfully simplistic way to look at abuse. 248 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: I think that's I got to do it. Can you 249 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: hang on for another all right? Hold on? 250 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: Unfortunately they cant me back to back. 251 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: On somes Oh well, you got a better show to 252 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: go on. Well, sure, I. 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: Wouldn't say a better show. 254 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: I always enjoy a spirited conversation with you. 255 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: Let's well, let's continue this another data. 256 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: You got it? Thank you, John, always good to talk 257 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: to you. 258 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving. Uh that's Mark Gregus the Menendez 259 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: Brothers trial, Mark, Mark, Deborah. Well, I guess yeah, Deborah, 260 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Mark Garraghos lit in the twenty four hour Newsroom. 261 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am 262 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: six forty. 263 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: Well, we had a spirited discussion with Mark Garagos about 264 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Menendez brothers and their various hearings that are going on 265 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: as they try to get freedom. I thought it would 266 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: be good to spend a few minutes on the original 267 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: murder because it has been thirty five over thirty five 268 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: years since it happened, and I think a lot of 269 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: people have forgotten like the murder moment, and so here 270 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: it is. And I'm not it's impossible to like retry 271 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: the whole case here, but and I'm only going to 272 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: read off Wikipedia, right, So these are the basics so 273 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: you understand what happened that day. It was August twentieth, 274 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine and Jose and Kitty were watching a 275 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: movie in their theater in the den of their house, 276 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: and Lyle and Eric entered the den. They carried loaded shotguns. 277 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: Jose shot six times, including once to the back of 278 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: the head. Kitty was shot ten times. She was on 279 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: the ground crawling away, and Lyle ran to the car. 280 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Eric handed him ammunition to reload, and then Lyle blasted 281 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: her in the face. And immediately after the killings, both 282 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: brothers remained in the house for a few minutes, expecting 283 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: the police to respond. The police didn't arrive. They disposed 284 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: of their clothes that were stained with blood, buried the 285 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: shotguns along Mulholland Drive, and they went to a movie theater, 286 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: and then they went to the Taste of La Festival 287 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, and still there was no police back home. 288 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: So Lyle calls nine to one to one and emotionally 289 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: tells the operator, someone killed my parents. This is hours later, 290 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: and when the cops, Eric was screaming and crying in 291 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: the background. Now remember it, they'd already shot the parents, 292 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: so this was all theater they were performing for the 293 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: nine to one one operator. When the cops arrived, Lyle 294 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: and Eric ran from home and did another theatrical performance, 295 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: running towards the officers while screaming, and the cops never 296 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: got gunshot residue tests from the brothers. Lyle and Eric 297 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: both lied and claimed they were somewhere else at the 298 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: time of the killings. Lyle lied and said that might 299 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: implied it might be a mafia hit. The cops thought 300 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: it was one of the most brutal scenes they'd ever encountered. 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: I'll skip over the brutality part because I think you 302 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: got the idea. When you get repeated shotgun blast to 303 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: the head in the face, listen to this. In the 304 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: months after the killings, the brother spent hundreds of thousands 305 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: In the months after the killings, talk about no remorse, 306 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: absolutely cold blooded. The brothers spent hundreds of thousands of 307 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: dollars on luxury items, businesses, and travel. Lyle bought a restaurant, 308 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Chuck's Spring Street Cafe, a Buffalo wing restaurant in Princeton. 309 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: Lyle bought three Rolex watches and a Porsche. Eric hired 310 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: a full time tennis coach and started competing in tournaments overseas. 311 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: They bought condominiums and Marina del rey Or. They chose 312 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: to live in condominiums. They went to high end restaurants, 313 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: took trips to the Caribbean, London courtside seats at a 314 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: Knicks basketball game. They spent approximately seven hundred thousand dollars. 315 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: Because they had gotten a six hundred and fifty thousand 316 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: dollars personal life insurance policy, they were hoping for another 317 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: insurance policy with Live Entertainment. The corporation its beneficiaries, but 318 00:17:54,119 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: the Meneddes brothers were not valid beneficiaries, and the spending 319 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: spree caused the police to consider the brothers as suspects 320 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: with a possible financial motive. And yes, that's eventually how 321 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: they got convicted. 322 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 6: What happened to all that stuff that they bought and 323 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 6: spent money on because they were they were arrested. I mean, 324 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 6: it wasn't a long time, right, It was a few months, 325 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 6: but I'm saying that's not years. 326 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Right, So I wonder a lot of it was just disposable, 327 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: like trips to Caribbean and London, right, But the restaurant. 328 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 6: And the rolexes and the poor. 329 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Hondo don't I don't 330 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: know how all this stuff was eventually liquidated and where 331 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: the money went. But this does not fit in any 332 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: way like a second degree murder charge or a manslaughter 333 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: charge where it was an emotional in the heat of 334 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: the moment kind of killing, or a reckless killing that 335 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: was not necessarily intentional at the beginning, but they just 336 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: acted recklessly. It was out and out plotted because they 337 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: actually tried to buy guns and were because of the 338 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: waiting period, they switched to buying shotguns. And I don't 339 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: know what the laws were at the time, but because 340 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: on August eighteenth they went to buy they went to 341 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: several guns stories by handguns. But there's an issue with 342 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: California's with with Lyles, California driver's license two week waiting 343 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: period mandated to buy the guns that they were interested in, 344 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: so they purchased shotguns instead at the Big five Sporting 345 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Goods store in San Diego, and Eric used a stolen 346 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: driver's license from Lyle's friend Donovan Goudreau. So it was 347 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: it was planned for a couple of days. 348 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 6: You still haven't watched the two the specials on Netflix. 349 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: I have a hard time watching all the stories that 350 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: we covered way back when because I would get I 351 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: got so pissed off about what was going on because 352 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: they weren't con did the first time. It's like OJ 353 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: wasn't convicted the first time. It's like all these people, 354 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: it's a whole run of trials where they the perpetrators 355 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: were famous or wealthy, and at least first round they 356 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: got away with it. And to watch it again this 357 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: makes me nuts. And I, you know, I don't need 358 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: too much information. Garre Go says, my argument is simplistic. 359 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I don't may be simplistic, but it's true. 360 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: You know, you have an abusive situation, you go out 361 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: the front tour. 362 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 6: Well, when he was talking about the battered women's because 363 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 6: I actually did a series on battered women and interviewed 364 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 6: men that batter that one's tricky because a lot of 365 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 6: times women do try to get away and the guy 366 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 6: tracks them down or they're found at these battered women's shelters, 367 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 6: and so it's not so easy to get away if 368 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 6: you're a battered woman. Now with these guys, that's you know, 369 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 6: that's a different story. But I know that he equated 370 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: it with battered women. 371 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of a slick little trick on 372 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: his part, But if I'd stop an interview every time 373 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: Mark Geragos pulled a slicker Torrick, we go nowhere, So 374 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I went, I let half of them go by, and 375 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: well we'll talk with him again about this, I'm sure. 376 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: And it's going to be January thirtieth and thirty first 377 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: will be the hearing, so we can take a two 378 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: month break, a two month adjournment, a recess. 379 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 380 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 5: six forty. 381 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Tom Homan is speaking out quite a bit on he's 382 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: the borderzar for Trump and they're getting ramped up two 383 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: months ahead of inauguration day, and he is what I 384 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: love is he's relentless in his message. Parties over. Anybody 385 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: who's here illegally can be deported, So if you want 386 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: to avoid trouble and live in peace, then you should 387 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: get out now. Having said that, though they're not going 388 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: after ordinary people who are living here illegally, they're going 389 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: after criminals, gang members and terrorists first. And one over 390 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: looked huge group that they're going to go after is 391 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: those who came here illegally, asked for asylum and were denied. 392 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: In other words, they had their day in court, they 393 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: made their case and the judge said no. Because, and 394 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: this is something most people either don't know or they 395 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: don't want to know. Coming here and getting asylum, you 396 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: get approved based on very narrow circumstances. You actually have 397 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: to have a legitimate fear of being persecuted or a 398 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: victim of violence by your government or some other group 399 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: that has power. But it has to be a real 400 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: physical threat of violence and persecution that you are being 401 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: singled out for one reason or another. It can't be 402 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: just there aren't too many jobs in the neighborhood. I'm 403 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: in a Rundown town and I want to do something better. 404 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: It can't just be that the government is mean. It 405 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: has to be a real threat. And that's why, and 406 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: Holman has said this repeatedly. I'm going to read you 407 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: some quotes of his so you understand what the law 408 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: is and that all Trump and Homan are doing is 409 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: enforcing existing law. Now, if you are against enforcing the law, 410 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: well that's a wonderful opinion to have. Then the law 411 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: has to be changed. And you can go out there 412 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: and start community organizing to get enough support for your 413 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: view of how the world should be and elect candidates 414 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: that will change the law. All right, But here's what 415 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the law is and that most people agree with. Homan says. 416 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: The overarching theme is millions of people entered this country illegally, 417 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: which is a crime. The Biden administration has argued that 418 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: illegal border crossers have a right to claim asylum and 419 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: go before an immigration judge. We'll find Holman says, we 420 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: gave them that opportunity to see a judge, but as 421 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: we know, based on immigration court data, nearly nine out 422 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: of ten of them will get an order for removal 423 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: because they simply don't qualify for asylum. The fact that 424 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: millions entered illegally and nine out of ten are ordered 425 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: remove necessitates a mass deportation operation. This is me talking now. 426 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: A judge said get out, and they didn't get out, 427 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: said out of the Federal government has to come and 428 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: get them and carry them out. Holman says, are these 429 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: dirty words meaning mass deportation? No, on the end of 430 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: historical mass illegal immigration. With nine out of ten getting 431 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: orders for removal, there has to be mass deportation. The 432 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: only other option is to let them stay, which nullifies 433 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: immigration law and the immigration court system. Now let's go 434 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: through this you have a law which says you're not illegally. 435 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: You're not you're not allowed to come here illegally. And 436 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: these people say, well, we're claiming asylum, which is the 437 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: big loophole. Okay, you're claiming to asylum. Go to the judge. 438 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: Go to the judge. The judge says, no, fake story, 439 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: doesn't meet the asylum criteria. We have a duty now 440 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: to let them stay here anyway, or to enforce the 441 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: law and kick them out. And if you don't enforce 442 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: the law and kick them out, then you don't have 443 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: the law. It doesn't exist anymore. I mean, they made 444 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: their case. One out of ten people get through, so 445 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: that it's not it's not an automatic shutdown. It's just 446 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: that most people don't deserve to live in America unless 447 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: they apply through normal means. And every other country has 448 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: this system too. Homan then says it sends a message 449 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: to the entire world that you can enter this country illegally, 450 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: you can go to court, lose your case, and you're 451 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: still not going to go home. Well, will never solve 452 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: the Southwest border crisis like that, So you know what, 453 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: you can't demand due process and not accept the end result. 454 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: Very strong point there. That's what all the activists and 455 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: attorneys and politicians claim they have to get due process. Okay, 456 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: we gave them due process. They lost the case. So 457 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: if you believe in the process, you have to believe 458 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: in the result. Again, what's the alternative? We just let 459 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: them let him out anyway, Homan and Trump are saying no. 460 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: Homan also points out that Alejandro majorcis that weasel who's 461 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: been the Homeland Security secretary. He himself has testified numerous 462 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: times before Congress that for those who don't qualify for asylum, 463 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: they'd be removed. Well, guess what it's time to do 464 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: the removal part. See Biden would say they had asylum, okay, 465 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: apply no, Then mayorcis say, all right, they failed their 466 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: asylum test. They ought to be removed, except he didn't 467 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: remove them. Homan is only going to do what Mayorcus 468 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: agrees with, that they should be removed. But Homan and 469 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala didn't remove them. 470 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: So you have. 471 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, of these 472 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: people who are going to be deported. And by the way, 473 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: I just heard driving in do you know how many 474 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: people Obama deported during his eight years, five million illegal aliens, 475 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: which is why activists called him the deporter in chief. 476 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: If Obama had been president the last four years, we'd 477 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: have none of this. Trump only deported I think a 478 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: million three in four years. So Obama was a far 479 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: more effective deporter than Trump. It was Biden who left 480 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: the gates open. Biden was a failure of a president 481 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: many times over. Obama was a far superior president, at 482 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: least in terms of enforcing immigration law. It was actually 483 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: better than Trump was. Obama was actually cleaning up the 484 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: mess from George W. Bush. The really horrible immigration presidents 485 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: had been Biden and Bush. Obama and Trump had been better. 486 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: But nobody knows any of this stuff. Now we come back. 487 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: We played you with the clip of the idiot Denver 488 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: Mary yesterday. This guy's a piece of work, this Bozoh 489 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Mike Johnston, who has said repeatedly that he was prepared 490 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: to go to jail rather than allow Trump's ice to 491 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: come in and start deporting residents of Denver who are 492 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: there illegally. In fact, he said he was going to 493 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: line up with mothers and line up with fifty thousand 494 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: Denver rightes, and he'd create a tianam And Square situation, 495 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: which later he backed off of because the t edam 496 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: And Square victims were steamrolled and flattened by the Chinese government. 497 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: Well Homan went after Johnston. We'll play you that clip next. 498 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A 499 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 5: six forty. 500 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: But we've been talking a lot about Trump, Tom Holman 501 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: getting tough at the border. Todd Benzman is going to 502 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: come on with us with the Center for Immigration Studies. 503 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: He's a journalist who's stationed at the border for quite 504 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: some time, and we are gonna talk to him about 505 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Trump reviving his remain in Mexico policy, and that's going 506 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: to take care of a lot of border chaos right 507 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: off the bat. It's just great, you know, it's just 508 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: great to see a president take action to try to 509 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: make things better on any issue, and certainly immigration was 510 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: on the top of the list. Something you could do immediately. 511 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: Inflation is always been moving the economy is also always harder. 512 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: But immigration, this could have been done for four years. 513 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: In fact, they never should have reversed Trump's policies four 514 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: years ago, and Biden, you might have had a much 515 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: or Tomlin might have had a much better chance of 516 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: getting elected. Back to Tom Homan, the Denver mayor has been, 517 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess, trying to make a name for himself claiming 518 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: that he's not going to allow the federal government into 519 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Denver or he's not gonna he's going to meet them 520 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: at the at the county line with fifty thousand Denver 521 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: citizens and mothers, and they're not going to be able 522 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: to roust any of the legal aliens. And he's not 523 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: going to allow Denver police to offer any help. And 524 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: he's willing to get arrested. He's willing to go to jail. 525 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: He said that very clearly to a Denver TV reporter. 526 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: Here's Tom Holman on Sean Hannity last night with a return. 527 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 7: This mayor out there in Colorado. I want to get 528 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 7: your reaction to it, and I want you to be 529 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 7: clear about who has jurisdiction, the federal government or state 530 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 7: and local governments. And if you're a sanctuary state or city, 531 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 7: are you breaking the law? 532 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 8: Absolutely breaking law? 533 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, to do. 534 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 8: Look at Arizona versus USUC. 535 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: The's breaking law. 536 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 8: But look, me and the Denver mayor, we agree on 537 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 8: one thing. He's willing to go to jail. I'm willing 538 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 8: to put him in jail because there's a statue. It's 539 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 8: title eight United States Cold thirteen twenty four Triple I, 540 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 8: and what it says is is a felony if you're 541 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 8: knowing me, harbor concealed illegal and immigration authorities is also 542 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 8: a family to imped federal law forced officer. So if 543 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 8: you don't to help, that's fine, he can get the 544 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 8: hell all the way, but we're going to go do 545 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 8: the job. President Trump has a mandate for American people. 546 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 8: We got to secure this country. We got to save 547 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 8: American line. And I find it shocking any mayor of 548 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 8: a city would say the President trusts be clear, we 549 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 8: want a consentry on public safety threats and national security threats. 550 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 8: I find it hard to be either any mayor or 551 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 8: government would say they don't want public safety threasts remove 552 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 8: from their neighborhoods. I mean, I mean, I don't know 553 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 8: what that is going on in Denver, but we're gonna 554 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 8: go and we're gonna fix it. If you don't want 555 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 8: to fix it, if you don't want to protect his communities, 556 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 8: President Trump and Ice will, so. 557 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 7: You will be going into Colorado, Illinois, New York California, 558 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 7: and you are gonna you are going. 559 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: To uphold the law of the land. 560 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 7: That's your commitment. It doesn't matter what these elected politicians 561 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 7: threatened or say that they're going to do. 562 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 8: We're going to force the law, period, and they're not 563 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 8: going to stop us. 564 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: That's coming to Los Angeles because Karen Bash is the 565 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: same way. They're stupid, stupid city Council and Hugo Soda Martinez. 566 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: Uh with their with their sanctuary city policy. Uh, no 567 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: such thing. There's no such thing as a sanctuary city 568 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: for illegal acts that violate federal law. This is an 569 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: entirely fake, invented concept. All they're saying is they won't 570 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: use LAPD or the sheriffs Fine Homan doesn't need you. 571 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: When I saw how many people that they arrest every year, 572 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: even under the Biden administration, six they identified six hundred 573 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: and sixty criminal foreign nationals, including four hundred and thirty 574 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: five thousand convicted criminals. Three hundred and eighty seven thousand 575 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: criminals were arrested by ICE between twenty twenty one to 576 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So ICE arrested three hundred eighty seven 577 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: thousand criminals over a three year period. And the majority 578 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: were citizens of Mexico, Nicaraguo, Columbia and Venezuela and Homan. 579 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: Is just they're going to beef up the staff. They're 580 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: going to hire more agents like crazy and do even 581 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: more arrests. So it's coming, and isn't it refreshing. Oh, 582 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: we're going to enforce the law. We are going to 583 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: arrest people, we are gonna deport them, and they're going 584 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: to have to convicted criminals and all these silly little 585 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: eunuchs like the Denver mayor or Hugo Soda Martinez, We're 586 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: gonna stop you. No, you're not sit down, will you? 587 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: Just impotent, flaccid fool. When we come back, we're going 588 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to talk with Todd Benzman Center for Immigration Studies on 589 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: the return of the Remain in Mexico program, how that 590 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: works and why it should come back. Debora Mark live 591 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: in the KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. 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