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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: seventy two, and today I'm joined by renowned public land

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Speaker 1: deer hunter Tony Peterson to break down exactly how he

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Speaker 1: would handle some of the toughest, most interesting public land

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Speaker 1: hunting situations I could think of. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on

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Speaker 1: X Today. As you just heard, We've got Tony Peterson

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Speaker 1: back with us. Tony is a good friend, He's a

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Speaker 1: great hunter. He's been on the show quite a few

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Speaker 1: times over the years, and I think he's one of

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Speaker 1: the very best folks we've had in the show. So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited that he's back. If you're not familiar, Tony

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Speaker 1: Peterson has writ for just about every deer hunting magazine

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Speaker 1: out there you can think of. He hosts the Hunt

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Speaker 1: for Real podcast. He has hunted all over the country,

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Speaker 1: and he specializes. I think you can say that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't do primarily or only, but he definitely specializes in

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Speaker 1: public land d I Y type situations. He's got a

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Speaker 1: great perspective from a lot of different parts of the country,

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Speaker 1: and and he can I don't know, he can just

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Speaker 1: communicate what he's doing and why he's doing it better

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Speaker 1: than a lot of folks, which is why I enjoy

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Speaker 1: chatting with him. We chat with him today through the

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Speaker 1: whole lens of this what would you do format that

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Speaker 1: I started testing this past summer. We're gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: do these here and there throughout the season when we've

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Speaker 1: got somebody who we've talked to before, but we want

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Speaker 1: to try to get a different perspective from them. If

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Speaker 1: you didn't hear those past ones, you should definitely go

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Speaker 1: back and listen. We've done these with John Eberhardt, Steve Bartilla,

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Speaker 1: Mark Jury, and Dan Infult. And basically what I do

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Speaker 1: is I put out a specific, unique situation, some hypothetical

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Speaker 1: set of circumstances, and then ask the people to explain

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna do how they would handle it. That's

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Speaker 1: what I do for Tony. We chat through a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different public land scenarios. We talked through some specific

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Speaker 1: things related to my recent Idaho public land hunt. We

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Speaker 1: hear about his recent North Dakota public land hunt and

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Speaker 1: even a little bit about the Wisconsin opener which just happened.

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Speaker 1: So it's good stuff, great conversation. You're gonna come out

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Speaker 1: of this one learning some things that you can apply

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Speaker 1: to your future public land hunts or even private land

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Speaker 1: stuff too. So we're gonna get right to that. But

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Speaker 1: a couple of quick heads ups on things. Number one,

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Speaker 1: dost Boat Season two. That is the fishing show that

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Speaker 1: we've put out over at meat Eater that has just

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Speaker 1: launched the second season of the show. It's terrific. It's

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Speaker 1: on the meat Eater YouTube channel now that first episode.

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Speaker 1: Gotta check it out. The first one's got Steve renovating

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Speaker 1: an old boat of a family friends and going fishing

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Speaker 1: for a trout in Lake Michigan. And then there's a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of other cool stuff from the Upper Midwest.

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Speaker 1: From everything I've heard, this is going to be top

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Speaker 1: notch and first season, the first season was definitely top

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Speaker 1: notch too, So check it out again. Is that the

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Speaker 1: meat Eater YouTube channel. Speaking of other things we've got

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Speaker 1: going on, you probably know this, but just in case

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Speaker 1: you've been skipping over them. Starting last week and again

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Speaker 1: this week, you'll have seen our new rut Fresh radio

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Speaker 1: mini series episodes coming out right. That's something we've been

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Speaker 1: doing every year for five years now. Coming out on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 1: We've got a special mini episode where we interview four

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Speaker 1: or five hunters from across the country and we're asking

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Speaker 1: them what kind of deer activity they're seeing, how are

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Speaker 1: certain conditions impacting the deer hunting, what are certain seasonal

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Speaker 1: factors that are influencing how they're hunting, What kind of

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Speaker 1: tactics are working for them right now? All that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff we cover. It's going to get you the

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Speaker 1: most up to date and helpful intel before your next hunts.

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Speaker 1: So don't skip those episodes. Listen to them asap because

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Speaker 1: they're timely. We put them out on a Wednesday, we

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Speaker 1: into those. And finally, speaking of up to date updates,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more over on the Wired to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Instagram account as far as my own personal hunts, different

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Speaker 1: across Meat Eater and Wired to Hunt when it comes

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Speaker 1: to whitetail content, So make sure if you're not already,

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Speaker 1: follow Wired to Hunt on Instagram. Check out my Instagram stories,

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Speaker 1: check out the feed. Plan on pumping that up a

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Speaker 1: lot here over the coming months with plenty of new content.

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Speaker 1: So that is all I got for you, my quick updates.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: If your season started already, I would love some updates.

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Speaker 1: Shoot me a note on Twitter or Instagram or Facebook.

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Speaker 1: If you've had some success. I hope some of these

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Speaker 1: things you've been here and have helped. And I definitely

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Speaker 1: think what you're gonna hear the rest of today's episode

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Speaker 1: stop talking. I'll let you get right into it. Here

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Speaker 1: we are with Tone Peterson. We're gonna find out what

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Speaker 1: would Tony Peterson do? All right? With me back on

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Speaker 1: the show is the one and only Tony Peterson. Tony,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming back on the podcast. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me, buddy. Yeah, I was hoping we could do

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Speaker 1: But we just we're working too hard, too tired. You

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Speaker 1: know how that goes. You don't want to do a

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Speaker 1: So we're doing this one. Yeah, we kicked it around

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is just the place is more desirable.

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's amazing to see that progress in

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Speaker 1: ending thing. For if we had this thing for a decade,

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Speaker 1: there's so so much more we could do. But it

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Speaker 1: is fun just trying to think through It's just a

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Speaker 1: different kind of chess match. There's the public land chest

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Speaker 1: with a concrete set of circumstances, at least as far

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Speaker 1: in mid September or later opener, it's always it's always

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00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: worth playing that gimme on a field edge right away

431
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: because you might get it. You might you know, opening weekend,

432
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: you might get that buck that comes out to the

433
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: beans and you can kill him when you in a

434
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: place that's just dumb. You also know that the the

435
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: pressure is gonna come in there on those field edges

436
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: and the easy to get two spots, and those bucks

437
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: are going to react, and by mid October it's going

438
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: to be a staging area deal on public land. I

439
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: mean it just at least in my experience, that's the

440
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: best scenario for for getting on one when you you

441
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: know when the lulls supposed to be happening, is those

442
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: bucks you know where they're gonna end up. You know

443
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: you can look especially you know, if you're in Iowa,

444
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: you know the destination food sources are out there. You

445
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: know which ones they'll probably be. So now it's a

446
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: matter of going, Okay, I'm not killing him on the edge.

447
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: How how far back into the cover do I have

448
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: to get? And the good thing about mid October is

449
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: you can start to piece together a lot of rubs.

450
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of rubs out there. You're

451
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing, Okay, these if you get in on

452
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: some of those ridges and get a couple hundred yards

453
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: off those field edges, you're gonna see those places where

454
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: bucks are killing time in the daylight. You're gonna see

455
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: those concentration of rubs. And so that for me is

456
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: going to be just a hanging a hunt. Get in there,

457
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: look around. You know. I'm gonna go in with a

458
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 1: plan as far as like, okay, these ridges come together,

459
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and you know, try to try to give myself a

460
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: few advantages beforehand. But it's gonna be one of those

461
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: sort of freelance hunts where you walk in and go, Okay,

462
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where these deer are staging. But

463
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: if I sneak through, you know, I'll probably bump some deer.

464
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: It's it's not going to be like an ideal scenario,

465
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: but you're probably gonna stumble across a couple of areas

466
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: that are just tore up, and you go, okay, this

467
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: this looks like where these bucks are. They're getting up

468
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: out of their beds. They're coming here. They're not going

469
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: to poke their nose out in daylight, and they're gonna

470
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: stay here. They're gonna mess around, they're gonna make some rubs,

471
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: maybe work a scrape that time of year, and they're

472
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: just gonna kill time until the clock runs out and

473
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: it's dark and they can walk acko. That's that's like

474
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: my I love hunting that way. Let me put it

475
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: that way, and so that that'll be the Iowa strategy.

476
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Can you describe an example of one of these types

477
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: of spots you would pick out on the map as

478
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: giving you an advantage. You described like some ridges coming together,

479
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: but could you give me a little more detail of

480
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: what one of these spots specifically you'd be looking for

481
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: in a map that would give you, Okay, this is

482
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: about that's worth me sneaking into and looking for that

483
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: fresh sign and setting up explain what that looks like

484
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: a little more detail for that October fifteen to kind

485
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: of time frame. So you'll have to bear with me here.

486
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: What what I think about in those situations is what

487
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: what what's the predominant wind? Right, It's going to be

488
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: a north or west probably, um, So I'm I'm operating

489
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: on that assumption, and I'm looking at these ridges going Okay,

490
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: which which way do they run? Like, how can I

491
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: get in there and play the most likely down wind

492
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: side of this where I might find uh a bunch

493
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: of rubs in a staging area. Because those bucks are

494
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna get up and they're gonna cruise that ridge, and

495
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna cruise it in a way where the wind

496
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: is in their favor, so they're gonna be on the

497
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: same side I want to hunt, but I can hopefully

498
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: hang off the side a little bit and have my

499
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: scent blowing out into nothing, blowing out into a valley.

500
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: So those bucks are moving along and they're using the

501
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: wind to tell them either what's kind of what they're

502
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: kind of paralleling or what's in front of them. And

503
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: so it's blowing across most of the woods that they're

504
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: traveling through and there and they go, Okay, I know

505
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm safe. Like I can, I can pitch off this

506
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: into this valley if I need to, and I can

507
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: smell everything up ahead of me, and you you see

508
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: them travel like that a lot, and so if I can,

509
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: if I can pick out some of those spots close

510
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: to a destination food source and and and look at

511
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: them on the aerial photos and then occasionally because I'm

512
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting a lot of bluffy type of river,

513
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, type of land where it's pretty up and

514
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: down and it's it's gonna have a lot of benches

515
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: in there properly. So I'm gonna look at this and go, okay,

516
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: can I get in this way? If the wind is

517
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: blowing here, They're probably gonna travel on this side of

518
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: the ridge and feel safest. And you know, a hundred

519
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred yards away from this spot, I

520
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: like there's some benches. You know, those big bucks operate

521
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: just like bull Elk. They love benches. They love these

522
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: places where they can play the thermals, and they have

523
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of escape routes and so you can

524
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: kind of I mean it's like it's a moving target.

525
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: You can look at on X and zoom in there

526
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: and see these things, but you don't know until you

527
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: get in there whether you're gonna actually find the sign

528
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: of whether it sets up correctly or not. But if

529
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: you have a couple of those places picked out with

530
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: that that offer that kind of advantage to you, usually

531
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: you'll find one where you're like, okay, this is this

532
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: is the concentration of deer. This is where the good

533
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: one is working. And then you can really, you can

534
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: really put it together. And the thing I like about

535
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: those spots is if I get in, I'll play it

536
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: a little safe, and I won't I won't push it

537
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: too hard to get in too deep, and you can

538
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: set up and you can observe too. So if if

539
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you see one doing something you know, and he's he's

540
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: crossing the ridge in a different way or coming out

541
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: a little later than you expected, you can you can

542
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: move the next night, move in on him, you know,

543
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: and you might screw it up, but you can. You're

544
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 1: in public land, you can get a little aggressive, and

545
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times the first night you see them

546
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: and the second night you move in and get your shot. Yeah,

547
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: and that's that's something very reminiscent of what I was

548
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: trying to do this last week. Is exactly that. It's

549
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: it's it's trying to pick a spot on the map

550
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: that has potential. Then you move in try to find

551
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: the spot within the spot, and if you don't have

552
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: that exact thing, then you you set up, observe, adjust.

553
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: But what if you go in there and you're doing

554
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: something like that and you never find the sign that

555
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: you expected or that you're hoping to see. You go

556
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: in there and it seems relatively barren. Is there ever

557
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: a situation where you would just pull the plug and

558
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: not even set up for the night and observe. You

559
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: would just say this isn't it's two hours before dark.

560
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: You walk in there and it's just sterile. Would you

561
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: ever say, Okay, I'm not even gonna hunt tonight, I'm

562
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: just gonna keep scouting and keep walking, or I'm gonna

563
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: pull the plug and go glass of field or anything

564
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: like that. Is there ever a scenario where you would

565
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? I mean it's i it's hard to

566
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: imagine in Iowa, you know, with with a good deer

567
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: population that if you had two hours left you wouldn't

568
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: at least set up to see what's going on. But

569
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: I've had that happen in other states where I've wandered around.

570
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: I can remember two times, once in South Dakota and

571
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: once in Oklahoma, heading out on public land with the idea,

572
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm going into this certain spot and I'm gonna find

573
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: a tree and set up and walking around for like

574
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: five hours and not finding anything and ending up in

575
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: a totally different area. And you know, in in North

576
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: or in South Dakota killing a uck that night, sitting

577
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: on the ground in Oklahoma, just bailing on an entire property.

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's just situational. You know. The thing you

579
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: have working working for you down in Iowa is you're

580
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna have, even on even on hard hunt in public land,

581
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some deer to work with in a

582
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: lot of different spots, and so it's just it's less

583
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: likely to think about having to bail on something. But

584
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: in a lot of states you would and you just go, Okay,

585
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, or you kind of you have to

586
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of reassess what what you consider to be just

587
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: that banging spot right, like is it is? It? Is? It?

588
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Like a no brainer. I gotta sit here because there's

589
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: rubs everywhere, or is there is there a little bit

590
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: of sign, but it doesn't really it's not really getting

591
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: your spiky sense is tingling. Sometimes you sit those spots

592
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and you see something, and sometimes you just do go

593
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: like this is I'm not feeling this. I gotta go

594
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: figure something else out, and you just go use your

595
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: time more efficiently somewhere else. I want to better understand

596
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: what gets your spity sense tingling. So let's let's layout

597
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: this situation where let's say you've already gone on somewhere

598
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: and you've you've picked up a spot, You've found a tree,

599
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: you like a spot. You think, okay, this is a

600
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: spot where something good could happen, but you have to

601
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: access it, for whatever reason, you have to access it

602
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: from a different direction when you actually go into hunt it.

603
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Maybe let's say it's the next day, when you go

604
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: in from this new direction to hunt this spot that

605
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: you think is pretty darn good. You start walking through

606
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: some new cover and it's it's it's ripped up. This

607
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: stuff's different, this looks even better. Is there any scenario

608
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: where you would have this sputty sense tingling so much

609
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: that you would say, oop, this is where I've got

610
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: to be and yank your set and come to this

611
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: new area. Or would you or would you just kind

612
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: of stash that knowledge for the next day and instead

613
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: sneaking push on through that sign to get to this

614
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: spot you set up previously because you've got it, it's

615
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: more well thought out, you already have it set. It's

616
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: good to go. I guess, answer me that and then

617
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: described to me what it would take from a sign

618
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to make you do that, if you would audible in

619
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: that kind of way. So I try to be really

620
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: open to that. And I think I think one of

621
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: the problems a lot of deer hunters have is we

622
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: become so married to our ideas of how this should go,

623
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: like it's I think it's one of the reasons why

624
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: the private land management situation has gone to such extremes

625
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: as far as like food plots and box blinds, and

626
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: we want to control it, like we want to know

627
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna walk in, we're gonna take this trail, we're

628
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna climb into this stand, and the deer come out here.

629
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: When you're a public land hunter, you don't have that

630
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: luxury and I've I find myself with ideas all the time,

631
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna go, you know, in North Dakota's a

632
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: prime example. I would have bet you a lot of

633
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: money I was going to kill a buck on a

634
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: little stock tank in there, and it didn't work that way.

635
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: And it never works the way I think. And so

636
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm sitting there and I go, okay,

637
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I gotta I got this Iowa tag and this is

638
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: the spot I want to go to, and I'm walking

639
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: through an area and it is tore up with rubs,

640
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: just tore up, and there's a lot of bucks signed there.

641
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm walking past that, no way I'm

642
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna set up there. And and I say that because

643
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, I've killed a lot

644
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: of bucks just going on my way to somewhere else

645
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: on public land and stopping and going, holy cow, like

646
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I have to hunt here. That these trails are pounded,

647
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: these scrapes are tore up, these rubs are thick, and

648
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: it's just one of those places where you you can't

649
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: not hunt it. And I get that, like that is

650
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: a thing that is reinforced to me a lot in

651
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of different states, and so I

652
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: used to go out and go, I have to get

653
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: to this tree, or I have to get to this spot,

654
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: because this is where it's going to be. All my

655
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: research says this. Now I'm like way more open to

656
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: the possibility. When I'm walking there, I'm gonna find something

657
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: that's way better than what I was heading to. And

658
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: I can think of several public land bucks I've killed

659
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: where you know it just in the last few years

660
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: where that happened to me, And I hunted stupid close

661
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: to a parking area or a place that just on

662
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: paper you'd be like, no way, But when you get there,

663
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: it's a different thing. It's kind of like the the

664
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: elk situation now, where you hear people, you know, the

665
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: whole get seven miles into the back country thing is

666
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: so pervasive that you hear about a lot of kind

667
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: of seasoned veteranel hunter is going. You know, I kill

668
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of my bowls in this gnarly little drainage

669
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: right off the road now because everybody's going past them.

670
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: And in the white tail world, the same thing happens

671
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, and so it's just where are

672
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: they like, It's just a matter of where do these deer?

673
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Where are these deer right now? And that's where you

674
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: hunt and you find that just by seeing the sign.

675
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Like it's for me, you know, I've talked about this

676
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: on here a bunch of times. But I absolutely love

677
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: rubs if it's a middle October thing. I like scrapes

678
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: to not not as much as rubs. If I see

679
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: a ton of rubs in a spot, that's that really

680
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: does it for me. If there's some good trails in there,

681
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: that's just kind of a bonus. But if I see

682
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: that concentration a good buck sign there, I don't I'm

683
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: not moving past it. Yeah, I've heard you're talking about

684
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: in some of your podcasts about this idea of finding

685
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: these buck concentrations where in public land you'll find these

686
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: little hotspots where they've they've all kind of found their

687
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: safe place, and it can sometimes be in unexpected places

688
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: as you just described. Um, Other than what you just described,

689
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: is there anything else you're looking for to help you know, oh,

690
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: I've found a buck concentration one of these zones or

691
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: is it simply that a lot of rubs, a lot

692
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: of good trails, um and anything else As far as

693
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: finding those and knowing that you got it. No. I mean,

694
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: it's there's no way to do it unless you see them,

695
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not. I just I saw a

696
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: post recently, I can't remember who it was talking about

697
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: how you know he would go into public land and

698
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: he had an end table full of trail cameras. There

699
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: was probably ten trail cameras on this that he was

700
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: getting ready for his trip. And I look at that

701
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: and I go, well, that's probably one way to find

702
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: these if you have enough time. But I don't have.

703
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Most of my trips probably average four days four days

704
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: of hunting anyway, And so I'm I'm really reliant on

705
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: the sign that I find. If I find a lot

706
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: of fresh sign, I know bucks are using it now

707
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: and I want to hunt there. I don't have time

708
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: to put out a bunch of trail cameras and let

709
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: him soak and then figure out where the concentrations are.

710
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: And so it's just a matter of signs, observe, move

711
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: if you have to, or you know, a lot of times,

712
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: if you find that sign, you get it right right away,

713
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: and if you get it wrong, you just keep looking

714
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: back to the back to the scenarire. We just outlined

715
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: before that, and we talked about walking this new routing

716
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: to a prepared location, and then you hit this fresh sign.

717
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Would you if you find it, it looks so good,

718
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: you know you gotta hunt it right now. Would you

719
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: rather sit in the ground right then and there so

720
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you don't need to push any further and just you

721
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: just figure out some way to hunt it right then

722
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: and there. Or would you want to go past it,

723
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: get your tree standing which you hung the night before,

724
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: maybe pull it down, sneak back, set up in a

725
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: tree at the new spot. Which which situation would you prefer?

726
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: It's totally situational man um I If I can get

727
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: up in a tree, that's my that's my preference just

728
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: most of the time. But sometimes these things happen depending

729
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: on where you're at. Where you do find that place

730
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: that's awesome, and the tree situation doesn't work very well,

731
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: and so you do have to sit on the ground.

732
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if i'm if I'm hunting

733
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: a constant like if you if you want to take

734
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: the Iowa example, I'm gonna get that stand, I'm gonna

735
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up in that tree and you know,

736
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I think is is

737
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: sort of a barrier for a lot of people in

738
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: this public land deal. And the saddle thing has helped

739
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's just that that kind of thing

740
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: happens all the time where you get up in a

741
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: tree and you can't trim and you look at it

742
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and you go, I can't shoot anywhere, or you get

743
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: into a spot and this the trees where you want

744
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: to hunt don't work, and it's it's put stands up,

745
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: take them down, or climb trees, climb down. It's it's

746
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: a the willingness to just do that. And you know

747
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: that's where the comfort with your saddle or your stand

748
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: set up is a huge and just just just understanding

749
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like dealing with the pressure, the other

750
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. You just have to know that this is

751
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: a part of it and you're gonna have to work

752
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: around it like it's it's you're just not gonna want

753
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: to settle, and so you have to work through it.

754
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: So in that situation, most of the time, I'm gonna

755
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: go get that stand and you know it's gonna it's

756
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a little more effort and a little more work,

757
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna be worth it. Yeah, okay, Well

758
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: here's something very similar to or that's related to this

759
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: whole idea of yanking stands, moving, adjusting all that in order.

760
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Pain in the butt that can be. What if you've

761
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: got a spot that you liked a lot, you hung

762
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: at the night before something. You've got a spot plan,

763
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: You've got a good reason for going there, you're excited

764
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: about it, and on your way in you see fresh

765
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: boot tracks part way back there, So somebody else is

766
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: coming here. You don't know exactly how far they went.

767
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: You don't know when they broke off. You don't know

768
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: if they pushed past where you want to hunt, or

769
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: if they just scooted off to the side and or

770
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: ahead of you. You just don't know. But there's somewhere

771
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: back there. Do you keep going with your original plan

772
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: or do you say, you know what, it's just it's

773
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: too likely that this person pushed into something that's gonna

774
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: screw me up. I'm audible and gonna try to pivot

775
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: to something that is definitely outside of this guy's uh

776
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: sphere of influence. I'm probably gonna just carry on with

777
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: my plan, And I say that because you know, like

778
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: like in North Dakota last week, there was nowhere I

779
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: could go where I wasn't encountering people. I've never seen

780
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: anything like that. And so if you if you keep

781
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you're trying to get away from people NonStop,

782
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a zero sum game, like you just can't

783
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: do it and you just have to go. Okay, the

784
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: deer are showing me they like this spot. Maybe this

785
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: guy blew it up. Maybe he didn't, but I'm gonna

786
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: take a flyer on it and hope he didn't. And

787
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: I've seen that a few times in my life, like

788
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the buck that I killed in northern Wisconsin last year.

789
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: I walked into this chunk of public thinking I was

790
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: going to go to this creek bottom that I that

791
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: I've hunted a few times and and find a crossing

792
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: and just set up on it. And on the way

793
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: in I checked a little old kind of disused logging

794
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: road that I found winter scouting that had a ton

795
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: of sign on it. But it's right by the road,

796
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: and it's in a place where tons of people go

797
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: in and they ride their four wheelers in there and

798
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: they go try to shoot grouse off their four wheelers

799
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: and it's it's a high traffic area, but it's just

800
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: just off of that. And I walked in there with

801
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: a totally different plan, just peeked up onto this, saw this,

802
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: The scrape was there again. It was fresh. I could

803
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: see some rubs down the logging road, and I thought,

804
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: if you walk past this, yere an idiot, Like they're

805
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: they're showing you they're using this right now, even though

806
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: people been in there, there's fresh four wheeler tracks in there.

807
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: So I walked in there and set up and the

808
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: first year that came out was like a one sixty.

809
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: And then I killed, I mean a legit giant, one

810
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: of the biggest bucks I've ever seen anywhere. And later

811
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: I killed a great eight pointer that came right down

812
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the logging road, and it was just one of those

813
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: deals where you could assume these deer blown out, or

814
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: you can think, man, they deal with this. You know

815
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: there there you a lot of your listeners are probably

816
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: hunting public land that gets hunted every day, you know

817
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it's like if you're if

818
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna play that game where you're like, well, I'm

819
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: gonna go where nobody goes A lot of people don't

820
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: have that option, Like a lot of people just don't.

821
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: They have no way around that. So you have to

822
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: hunt where other people are. And those deers still live there,

823
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: they still do things like they're you know, they're the

824
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: toughest deer to hunt, I think, But you just have

825
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: to work with what you're given there in some of

826
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: those situations. So yeah, fresh bootprints sucks a lot, but

827
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: it's something you you kind of learned to live with.

828
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: And if the deer are showing you it doesn't really

829
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: bother them, then it shouldn't really bother you. Now. I

830
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: guess if I'm in that scenare and I see something

831
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: like what you mentioned and I see that fresh sign

832
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: in that spot, that's well hit. I would have thought

833
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: to myself, well, yeah, there's still deer using this, but

834
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: it's happening after dark. How do you how do you?

835
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: How do you know or what makes you think that

836
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: this might be a daytime spot versus a nighttime despite

837
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: all the stuff you just listed. Uh, if it's in

838
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: the cover, how much cover is it in? I mean,

839
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't I know. I'm sure we've talked about this

840
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: in past episodes. I'm not a big believer in the

841
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: nocturnal dear thing. I don't think there are very many

842
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: true nocturnal deer out there. And I know that's like

843
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: contrary to popular opinion, especially in October, but when you

844
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: watch I was thinking about this this weekend when I

845
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: was hunting with one of my daughters. We had we

846
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: had deer come in pretty early on on opening night,

847
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: and the first three does that came in, they came in,

848
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: they bedded down in front of us twice, and they

849
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: got up and moved a little bit. And I was thinking,

850
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: every time I ever see dear bed down, they don't

851
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: bed down that long, even when it's in the morning

852
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: and you know that buck comes back in and he

853
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: lays down, He might lay down for an hour or two,

854
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: and he gets up, goes, browses on something, nibbles around.

855
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I think we give them way too

856
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: much credit for being nocturnal. So if you if you

857
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: get into you the cover, the best cover they have,

858
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: the thickest woods, or something that they're going to feel

859
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: pretty secure in. I don't think you deal with a

860
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: lot of truly nocturnal deer. So if I see a

861
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: bunch of rubs way back on a ridge, and it's

862
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: pretty thick, and there's multi floora rows in there, something

863
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: that's that's really given them some good cover. I'm just

864
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna assume somebody's going to move through there in daylight.

865
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Like those bucks feel good enough in there to move

866
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: around and and do their thing and not expose themselves.

867
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: But they're in a place where they're comfortable, and I

868
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: think that I think that exists all over. We just

869
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: don't get in there enough to know. Now here's an

870
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: interesting scenario we're dealing with a lot more today related

871
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: to this, where right there, there used to be this

872
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: assumption that you're going to have all this activity from

873
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: humans and from other hunters in certain places like the

874
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: edges or by access or whatever. But as public land

875
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: hunting has become more popular, there's a lot of people preaching,

876
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, go into the bedding years, go deep, get

877
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: into buck bedrooms, you know all that kind of stuff.

878
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really eager guys and girls now

879
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: they are pushing into the really best, best stuff. So

880
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: what if you're going into hunt and you realize that

881
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: all the pressure is going right into the interior um,

882
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: how do you how do you adapt to that? Because

883
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: I gotta believe, right if that if that intense pressure

884
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: is being applied to the bedding cover right then and

885
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: there while you're hunting, the deer going to react in

886
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: a way that maybe you can get them on these

887
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: unexpected places on the outside, but maybe they're just jumped

888
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: out of their skin for the next few days and

889
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: there they are nocturnal or something. What would you do

890
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: if if all the pressure you're seeing from other guys

891
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: is this really aggressive right into the good stuff kind

892
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: of pressure. Yeah, well, that's that's one of the things

893
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: I love the hunting public guys. But I'm like, can

894
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: you guys leave one betting area alone out there? Like

895
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm kind of convinced that they might be killing bucks

896
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: because the bucks they're hunting are so exhausted because they

897
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: never get a good day's sleep because they're in the

898
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: betting areas every day. Where dude, what what I think

899
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: about that is you just have to work with the variables,

900
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: you know. So if it's if it's an evening hunt

901
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: and you know they're going to the beans or this

902
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: cut cornfield, that's that's the best information you have. So

903
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: if you think, okay, well, I think this is the

904
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: betting area, because I think a lot of times we

905
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: get really really locked into the belief that we can

906
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: just go this is his bed or this is the

907
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: betting area, and they use this every day. I think

908
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: that those bucks have lots of different beds and lots

909
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: of different betting areas. And if somebody goes in there

910
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: and they throw their saddle up and they're sitting in

911
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: one spot and not playing the win very well, those

912
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: bucks have other options. They know, they know where to go,

913
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: and so you're just you're just working on the premise

914
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: of like I know where he's gonna end up, but

915
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: where is he now? And how is he going to

916
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: get here? And so again it's just a matter of

917
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: if if people are going deep and you know, like

918
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: we we dealt with this in North Dakota. Like I

919
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: saw people going into places I've never seen people go into,

920
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: and I know they're betting areas because I've watched deer

921
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: walk in there in bed there. But somehow those deer

922
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: magically find trails and make it down to the river

923
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: in the evening anyway, And so I think what happens

924
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: is we we sort of we we overestimate the amount

925
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: of influence we have on their daily life. So if

926
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: you go in there and you jump a buck and

927
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: he takes off, it's very easy to assume you put

928
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: that buck on a nocturnal pattern. You you you blew

929
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: out the area. And I've had it happened where I've

930
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: walked in on hanging hunt situations and I've jumped bucks

931
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: out of their beds and set up and they've come back.

932
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: You know, they used to call that the bump and

933
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: dump or whatever, but I don't. Or you know, if

934
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: you sit on public land long enough and you see

935
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: bird hunters come through, those deer are so good at

936
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: at just avoiding us very subtly, very minimally, that we're

937
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: not probably pushing them around the way that we think

938
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: they are. We're probably not killing our chances to the

939
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: degree that we think. And it's I think it's more

940
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: of a mental thing too. I think you've got to

941
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: be out there and you have to see this stuff

942
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: play out enough to know, Okay, this wasn't the end

943
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: of my trip, This isn't gonna These guys walking through

944
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: here pheasant hunting are doing whatever. This isn't the end

945
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: of this spot. It might change it. Those bucks might

946
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: relocate a little bit or something. But I think a

947
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: lot of times it's it's in our head and we

948
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: we kind of hit the quit button and go, well,

949
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: this is over, and now I have to start over.

950
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: And you're not operating on the same way. But when

951
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time on these hunts where

952
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I got four or five days to

953
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: get it done, here's the best spot I've found, you

954
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: realize that we're kind of overplaying that a little bit,

955
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times, even though it really

956
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: really sucks when people come in and other hunters blow

957
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: up your spot or you walk through the wrong area

958
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: and blow it up, it maybe isn't as damaging as

959
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: we a lot of times think, and we just have

960
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: to get back up in that tree and figure out

961
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, So you set me up perfectly for

962
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: my next question, which is a very very very specific scenario.

963
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm just a really creative person. I can pull out

964
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: a lot of details, So so bear with me here,

965
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: Tony as I lay this one out for it. But

966
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: let's hypothetically say you're hunting some public lan you have

967
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: been dealing with hunting pressure and other spots all over

968
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: the place. So you decide, you know what, I'm gonna

969
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: go to this new area based off of something I

970
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: saw in the summer. I think there's some good bucks

971
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: in this general area. I'm gonna look at the map.

972
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to pinpoint the most likely spot that

973
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: there might be buck betting, and then the most likely

974
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: route they would take down to this food source. You

975
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: sneak in two miles, You set up in a tree,

976
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: and you actually see three nice bucks, including two giants,

977
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: but they're just out of range. Okay, So you see

978
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: these bucks. One is like fifty yards the next one's

979
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: about ten yards behind him. So you say, okay, I

980
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing tomorrow. I'm gonna move to get

981
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: to the other side of him and be within shooting ranch.

982
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: That happened to come through the same way. That nothing

983
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: spooked him. They moved past me, past you, very easily

984
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: and calmly disappeared. Next day, you sneak in, you make

985
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: your move, You come into the backside, so you don't touch,

986
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: you don't walk over anything. These deer came through you.

987
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: There's no way you spooked anything. You get set up.

988
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: It's great. One of the three bucks comes out along

989
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: with four other deer. They walk all within shooting range

990
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: of you, but the big boys never show. You think, okay,

991
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: this is this is this is where these bucks like

992
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: to come through. I still haven't spooked anything. I'm feeling good.

993
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: So the next day he just said, okay, I want

994
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: to get I want one more good sit in this

995
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: spot because it feels like this is a killing spot,

996
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: and to my knowledge, I haven't spooked anything. So you

997
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: come in the next day with those conditions. You just

998
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: get to the tree when all hell breaks loose. A

999
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: bunch of kids start driving U t v S all

1000
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: around you, yelling, screaming, knock and metal together ye hying, uh,

1001
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: just making a mess of everything. You see them drive

1002
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: back into where you think these deer rerebetted. You see

1003
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: them drive to the other side of the property, way

1004
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: down this other section, driving in there, blowing stuff up.

1005
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: You got out of your tree and you tried to

1006
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: make a move on the ground, but they went that

1007
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: direction to it's just a disaster of the night. But

1008
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: they drive out just before last light, and at last

1009
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: light you see a decent number of deer still pop

1010
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: out and go right by where you were sitting originally,

1011
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: or where you want to sit originally that day. Now

1012
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: that happens, it's frustrating, but you tell yourself, man, gonna

1013
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: keep at her. We're gonna figure out how to adjust.

1014
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Next day, a huge storm rolls through with like damaging

1015
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: dangerous winds, like sixties winds, high wind warnings, don't go

1016
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: in the woods, blah blah blah. So you don't hunt

1017
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: the next day because of that. But a cold front

1018
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: comes through, So now you're two days removed from this

1019
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: disaster night, but temperatures are like thirty degrees lower, and

1020
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: you did see some deer moving immediately after the saboteurs

1021
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: came through here, thinking okay, these deer might have been

1022
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: looking at that as just like a farmer in here

1023
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: doing stuff, etcetera, etcetera. So would you, after all that,

1024
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: would you go in and hunt that killing tree that

1025
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: you still have set up because it seemed to be

1026
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: in the right spot prior to the disaster, because you

1027
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: knew exactly how the bucks are moving through that area

1028
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: in that spot, and you could look at that pressure

1029
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: from the crazy people coming through is is hopefully this

1030
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: one time thing that the bucks thought was farmer intervention

1031
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: or something, and they reacted to it, of course that night,

1032
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: but very quickly a day passes, they go back to

1033
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: their normal things. Maybe you're two miles back from public access.

1034
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: You think these deer feeling relatively calm, and you did

1035
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: see two giant bucks moving in daylight, very calmly, you know,

1036
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: half hour before dark. So number one, would you go

1037
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: back to that same spot for one try more? Or

1038
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: would you say? No? Way? Man? That was a disaster. Uh,

1039
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: you already hunted in the general area two previous days,

1040
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: even though you don't think you spoot them. They might

1041
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: have caught your ground center something coming back. Blah blah blah.

1042
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up stakes and pushing in deeper or somewhere

1043
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: different because there was just too much commotion, so very detailed.

1044
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: What would do The very first thing I would do

1045
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: in that scenario is I would I would order up

1046
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of books on witchcraft and casting nasty spells,

1047
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: and I would try to make sure that those kids

1048
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: caught every std out there in the Twitter sphere. The

1049
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: sphere I should say and hope that they I hope

1050
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: it burns when they pe For the rest of They're like,

1051
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: put this way after casting some spells on those guys,

1052
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: I would I would go hunt it one more time,

1053
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: just just because, you know, So if they drive through

1054
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: there and they're acting like pricks and they're doing that

1055
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: and trying to blow the deer out, but you see,

1056
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: dear still follow the script after they're gone. To me,

1057
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good sign. And when you've got those

1058
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: bucks there, and you're talking good bucks, that's somebody's home range,

1059
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe both of them, and so they those guys might

1060
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: have really killed your chances that night or maybe for

1061
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: a couple of days, but that deer is not gonna

1062
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: probably move out of there. He's just gonna probably play

1063
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: it a lot safer. And if you if you've got

1064
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: a place, do you feel it, you feel confident enough

1065
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: to name it the killing tree, get back in there

1066
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: and find out, you know it, just just to see,

1067
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: just to know, because when you've got to start over

1068
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: on something like that, now you're talking to multi day

1069
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: process for just finding other bucks and finding spots to

1070
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: hunt them, and you've you've got enough invested in there

1071
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: where it's worth the risk just to see how it

1072
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: plays out. Yeah, yeah, well that's what I did. And uh,

1073
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Uh that's what I did, and uh, I

1074
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't see shit. So we cast any spells and give

1075
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: those guys a bunch of STDs. I cast the spells.

1076
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but I did. I did

1077
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: cast some bad karm or their way. Um, and it's

1078
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: it's funny. So I sat there again that that night

1079
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: to try to kind of was thinking some of the

1080
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: similar things you were, and I thought, you know what,

1081
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: I gotta try it one more time and end up

1082
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: being like just a completely dead night. There were a

1083
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: couple of deer in there when I snuck in. It

1084
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: was a dough and a fawn, and I thought, okay, yeah,

1085
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: they're feeling comfortable. It's all good and uh, and then

1086
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: it was just dead and some moose came through. Now

1087
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I talked to some guys that said that lots of

1088
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: times in these western places when you get a bunch

1089
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: of moose and some spots that will push deer out

1090
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: for a day or two, they don't seem to like

1091
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: to mingle as much. I don't know, um, but that

1092
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: could have been a thing. Um. But funny story. Uh,

1093
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: just to kind of put a cap on my trip

1094
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: that I didn't mention in my last episode where we

1095
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: described this trip. Um. For those that aren't following, I'm

1096
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: describing the exact thing that happened to me about seven

1097
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: days ago in Idaho. Um. So I sat as I

1098
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: just described, didn't see anything. The next day, I just said, Okay,

1099
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm moving back to a different place where I had

1100
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: hunted about six days beforehand, and we were seeing a

1101
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: bunch of deer, but then there was a bunch of

1102
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: hunters over there, and that's what pushed me to this

1103
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: killing tree area because of that pressure. But I've been

1104
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: keeping track of the parking lot in this other spot,

1105
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: the original spot, and there hadn't been hunters there for

1106
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: three or four days. So I thought, okay, let's go

1107
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: try this zone and pushing deeper from the places I

1108
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: was originally hunting, and I'll try that. So long story

1109
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: short of push into this new place, I get into

1110
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: a really cool looking area. I felt really good about it. Um,

1111
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't end up seeing a deer I want to shoot,

1112
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: but see deer and have a good night. And I'm

1113
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: walking out and I'm just thinking, man, Um, this whole

1114
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: trip has been just hunters and just every day dealing

1115
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: with a new hunter, new group of hunters, a new

1116
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: group of pressure, and it's it's been just constantly trying

1117
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: to adjust. I'm like playing pinball. I go here and

1118
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: then I'm bounced off another wall of hunting pressure that

1119
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: I go here and I'm bounced off another hunting wall.

1120
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: And as I'm walking out and thinking, you know, finally

1121
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: maybe I found like the threshold of where you need

1122
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: to get to and push past to get past all

1123
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: the guys in this this area I've been hunting. And

1124
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: as I'm thinking through all this, the end of the hunt,

1125
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: the whole trips is done, and I'm thinking through all

1126
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: this stuff, I smell something strong and I'm like, what

1127
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: does that smell? And I keep walking and it's a

1128
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: really a strong smell. Now it's after dark, it's evening. Um,

1129
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm hiking out now, and I realized I'm smelling weed.

1130
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm smelling marijuana. I'm like someone burning one down out here.

1131
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: And I start shining my head lamp in the trees

1132
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: and I'm walking out and there's a hunter sitting in

1133
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: the tree in front of me smoking a blunt after

1134
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: dark as I'm hiking out. If that's not the most

1135
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: like representative way to end this hunt. I don't know

1136
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: what it is. Ah. Yeah, I don't even know what

1137
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: to say about that. I guess I wish I was

1138
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: more surprised, but I'm kind of not. It kind of

1139
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: sucks that that doesn't That isn't as shocking as it

1140
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: should be. Mark Man, it was. It was just like, yeah,

1141
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: that that's how this hunt should end. Uh. So back

1142
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: to scenarios that aren't my scenarios, back to imaginary scenarios. Then, UM,

1143
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: a couple more here for it, Tony. What if you

1144
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: are hunting and you realize that you've got a situation

1145
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: like we've just described where there's this pinball of hunting,

1146
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: whether it's your North Dakota hunt where there's more hunters

1147
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: than you ever saw before, or whether it's my recent

1148
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: hunt where it was more public land hunting pressure than

1149
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I've ever dealt with I don't western hunt before. Um,

1150
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: and you realize like, wow, this isn't what I was expecting.

1151
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: But you are seeing some deer, and you know there's

1152
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: some nice deer in the area, and you know they're there,

1153
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: but there's just all this stuff that's seriously blowing up

1154
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: your hunt. When and how if at all, do you

1155
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: begin thinking about adjusting your standards? So I know this

1156
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: is something that happened to you, walk me through how

1157
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: you think about that. When you go into a hunt

1158
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: and you think, yeah, I want to shoot a nice

1159
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: buck and maybe that's a three year old or four

1160
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: ye old, there's a nice eight or whatever it is

1161
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: for you, do you change it? How do you change it?

1162
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: When do you decide to make that change? Uh, that

1163
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: just depends on who's walking by me at the moment.

1164
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: But really that one of the things, like your example

1165
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: in Idaho being on those big bucks. What what that

1166
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: does is it it shows you how valuable a backup

1167
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: plan is or a backup spot is. And I run

1168
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: into this a lot on public land where I'm like,

1169
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: this is the area I'm going to. This is where

1170
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill. It's gonna be awesome. And then you

1171
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: get there and there's people all over, and if you

1172
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: don't have a couple of backup spots, gets really rough

1173
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: in a hurry because you're playing catchup. And so just

1174
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: just as an example in North Dakota last week, I

1175
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: had the best group of bucks that I saw scouting

1176
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: was there were five bucks in there The biggest one

1177
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: was a solid hundred fifty deer. There was another one

1178
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: that was probably one forty in there, another pretty good one,

1179
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and then two smaller ones. And I watched those deer

1180
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: walk through this patch of cotton woods on their way

1181
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: to the river. And in the next morning I watched them.

1182
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: They were already back across, but it looked like they

1183
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: had probably come through the same area. And the biggest

1184
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: buck was was hard antlerd some of the some of

1185
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: the other bucks were still velvet, and he was very

1186
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: dominant there. There was a point where I could watch

1187
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: him fight bucks, and I could look in two other

1188
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: spots and see two other buck fights going on. So

1189
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: at one point, from one glassing spot, I could see

1190
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: three buck fights going on. And they weren't like you know,

1191
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: knockdown drag out there. They're sparring, pushing each other around,

1192
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: but you know they were feeling it. When the when

1193
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: those deer go hard antler, they try them out. I mean,

1194
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing to see. I've seen that many times,

1195
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: and so I thought, Okay, I've got this is the

1196
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: this is the group with the biggest bucks. I know

1197
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: where they are. I know if they come out in

1198
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: that spot. I can get in there and hang a

1199
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: stand and and be on them. Tonight on opening night,

1200
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: and I saw other bucks, and I go, okay, these

1201
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: bucks came in from this way, and they crossed the

1202
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: river here, or these bucks fed along here, And so

1203
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I had some some backup options because you can see,

1204
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, a long way is there. You can see

1205
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: here a mile away. And so opening night I went

1206
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: in on those big ones I ended up seeing. I

1207
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: saw five bucks. They came down, they split me, and

1208
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: just I was just off just a little bit, just

1209
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: enough where it matters when you're bow hunting. It wouldn't

1210
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: matter when I was gun hunting at all, but with

1211
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: with a bow, I was just a little bit off

1212
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: on them. And so I thought, okay, tomorrow I come in.

1213
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: I moved just a little bit and try to pick

1214
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: one of these one of these deer off as they

1215
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: come down the trail. And I had some backup spots,

1216
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna give these bucks

1217
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: my best effort right now, because I think I have

1218
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: a chance to killing them, and they're they're great public land.

1219
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: Dear well. When I went back in there the next

1220
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: day after my morning sit. I was going to get

1221
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: into this stand and I ran into some other hunters

1222
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: in there who were looking for mule deer, and they

1223
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: had just burned through that area, and I thought, I'm

1224
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: still gonna sit here if they leave. But I talked

1225
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: to him for a while, super nice guys, and they

1226
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't leave. And I'm like, my stands like a hundred

1227
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: fifty yards down the river, like I want you guys

1228
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: to go because I don't want to climb into the

1229
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: stand while they're standing there. And they wouldn't leave, and

1230
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: so I'm like walking down the river like pretending I'm

1231
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: looking at rocks and just kicking at fish. I'm like,

1232
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: please go away, like and I kept kind of like

1233
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: peeking over my shoulder, you know, like you guys gone yet.

1234
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,479
Speaker 1: And finally I'm like, they're not gonna leave. They're gonna

1235
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: stay here. They've got something. You know how it is

1236
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: when you talk to people out there, you can barely

1237
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: keep your lies straight because you don't want anybody else

1238
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: on your deer. So I'm seeing some stuff whatever, you know,

1239
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: or like they seem to be here there, but you

1240
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: don't want them to know, Like I'm on a bachelor

1241
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: group that's coming down to the river right there, and

1242
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't leave something like Okay, I gotta go

1243
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: to a backup spot. And as I go, I go

1244
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: to I go to my backup spot, get the stand up,

1245
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the wind's terrible. Pull the stand downs.

1246
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: Four o'clock and I'm like, I gotta move just a

1247
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: little ways to a different crossing. I move, get up,

1248
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: get that stand hung, pull my bow up. I look,

1249
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: here comes this guy walking up the river, turns around,

1250
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: walks away when he sees me, and I'm like, man,

1251
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: same kind of deal, Like you're just bumping into pressure everywhere.

1252
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: But I knew that crossing I was. I was not

1253
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: going to run into a hunter fifty. I knew I

1254
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: had a chance to have an okay buck come by there.

1255
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: And at that point, I'm like, okay, I know you

1256
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: know I have two other buddies out there who are

1257
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: who are bumping into pressure everywhere too. I'm like, it's

1258
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: it's time too. If if a good shot comes my way,

1259
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: seriously consider it. And so I'm sitting there that night

1260
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: and I look out way out and I see this

1261
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: buck walking at me, and I'm like, you know, a

1262
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: little velvet two year old. I'm like, I don't. I

1263
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: don't really want to shoot him, but if he comes

1264
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: in and gives me, like a really good shot, I'm

1265
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: probably gonna regret it if I don't. And part of

1266
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: that was we only had a few days, and we

1267
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: had this massive rainstorm that was supposed to be coming in,

1268
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of people were bailing on our campground

1269
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: because they didn't think they'd be able to get out

1270
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: because of the road. And so I'm like, I can't

1271
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: get I have to get home. So now four day

1272
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: hunt might turn into a two and a half day hunt.

1273
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: And so I'm like talking myself into this buck because

1274
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: he's walking in right and he gets oser, comes down

1275
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: below me, and never I never get a shot, and

1276
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: he's within like five yards of me. He goes down

1277
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: the river, meets his little buddy comes across the other way,

1278
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: and you know, they're messing around, kind of kind of

1279
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: pretending to spar but they're both still velvet. And I'm like, man,

1280
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: do I want to shoot him or not? And he

1281
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: comes up the river bank and I'm like, my buddy

1282
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: is gonna kill me if I don't kill this book

1283
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't have a backup to this now.

1284
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: So if if I don't do this now, I have

1285
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: to start over. And I don't know what to do.

1286
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: And so he comes up and gives me a pretty

1287
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: good shot. I'm like, I gotta take it. So I

1288
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: killed him. So when I lower my standards is when

1289
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: I feel like my my time is really running out

1290
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: and there's a good opportunity in front of me. You know,

1291
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: if if those guys hadn't come down, I would have

1292
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: worked those that Bachelor group a lot more just to

1293
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: see what would have happened. But it's just you just

1294
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of play the hand you're dealt and a lot

1295
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: of times on public land when you go it's gonna

1296
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: be a four and a half or bust, it's gonna

1297
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: be bust. I mean it might be years of bust,

1298
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: and so it just it just is what it is.

1299
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: You just do what you have to in those situations. Yeah, yeah, man,

1300
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the tough one. I just I, for

1301
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, get my heart set on something. If I

1302
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: know something's out there, I have a really hard time settling.

1303
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: And so the last two years, because I've seen a

1304
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: buck that catches my eye and I just get if

1305
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: that's if I know that's here, I have a really

1306
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: hard time not trying. And so uh, same thing last

1307
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: year happened this year where I saw those big boys

1308
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't bring myself to shoot the really

1309
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: nice eight point of the next day. Um, it wasn't big, big,

1310
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: but he was nice. You know, he was a three

1311
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: year old. Um, I just couldn't do it. And and

1312
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't think, like looking back on it, I still

1313
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: I still think I owed it to myself to at

1314
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: least give myself that one night at least to see

1315
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: if they come. Now the rest of the trip, after

1316
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: that whole debacle happened, then I swim two. Okay, yeah,

1317
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: I'll shoot any nice dear um, But that I didn't

1318
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: have the shot at the nice dear um. But it

1319
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: is a tricky one, that tricky thing between you know,

1320
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: what do you want out of this hunt? Do you

1321
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: want the fill tagged? Do you really want something that

1322
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: meets your original goals? I don't know. It's probably different

1323
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: for everybody in every different such situation, but it's it's

1324
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: one that it's at least I've found it's a good

1325
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: idea to think through it before your trip, to kind

1326
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: of have some idea of what you're gonna want to

1327
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: do as the hunt progresses, rather than be in the tree,

1328
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: the deer is walking your way and you're having that

1329
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,959
Speaker 1: tough situation like you had where you try to figure

1330
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: it out in the moment. I mean that that can

1331
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: set yourself up. It worked out okay, but it can

1332
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: always You can go the other way too, Yeah, I mean,

1333
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: and I think you know you and I are in

1334
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: different places, like I don't. I was thinking about this

1335
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: the other night when I had my daughter out in Wisconsin.

1336
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't bring my bow with because I didn't,

1337
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, this was her hunt. I wanted her just this.

1338
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: This is gonna go however it goes with her. But

1339
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: I knew there was a chance we were going to

1340
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: have a big one come out, just just kind of

1341
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: a wild scenario. And we had a bachelor group come out,

1342
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: and the biggest buck was a nine pointer that's all

1343
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: of aftes and he came out too far for her,

1344
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: but the same exact distance I had just shot that

1345
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: North Dakota buck at And I'm like, this deer would

1346
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: be in trouble if I had my bow with and

1347
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: this is the biggest buck I've ever seen in Wisconsin

1348
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: on private property, I mean a legit awesome dear, just incocredible,

1349
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it afterwards. It didn't bother

1350
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: me at all to not get that deer. Like ten

1351
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: years ago, I would you'd have to do like a

1352
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: wellness check on me, because I'd be suicidal. Now I

1353
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: don't care. Now, I just don't care about the big

1354
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: buck thing nearly as much as I used to. I

1355
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: still love them, but I realized, like, it doesn't really

1356
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: matter what you kill, you know it, I mean it doesn't,

1357
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't. You have to do what's good for you

1358
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: and what makes you happy. And I realized like the

1359
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: chasing the big buck thing for me solely was like

1360
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: a false God. It didn't it didn't work because it didn't.

1361
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: It didn't really matter that much, and and what it

1362
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: did for me in some ways was made it less

1363
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: fun to be out there. I didn't I didn't enjoy

1364
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: it as much. And I realized, like, I don't. I

1365
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: want to focus on those deer to some extent, but

1366
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't care about that outcome so much anymore. And

1367
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: so I'm just I'm kind of and I was. I

1368
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: was talking to Mike Shae from Field and Stream about

1369
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: this the other day. It's like you find yourself when

1370
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: you've been in the hunting industry a long time and

1371
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: you've been doing this a long time, you find yourself

1372
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: going you you there's this gravity to certain things where

1373
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: you're like, I just I want to have fun. I

1374
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: want to enjoy this, and I know there's certain paths

1375
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: I can take as hunter that will erode my enjoyment,

1376
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: and one of them is is a dead set focus

1377
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: on big deer. And that's just me. I've been down

1378
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: that road, and part of part of what that leads

1379
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: me to is I want to hunt lots of other stuff.

1380
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: So like if I if I fill these tags, like

1381
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: if I didn't fill that North Dakotate, I gotta gone

1382
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: back somehow. And what that would have taken away from

1383
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: me is a chance to duck hunt with my dog

1384
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: or pheasant hunt with my dog or something. And I'm

1385
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: terrified of that because I really want to do that

1386
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: because it's fun. And so I know, like if I don't,

1387
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: if I don't control this thing, it'll it'll get out

1388
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: of hand and I'll stop enjoying it. And so that's

1389
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: like a weird way of explaining that. And I know

1390
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: people are at different places and they just have to

1391
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: You have to get out there enough to understand what

1392
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: you really enjoy. And if that's like, hey, it's got

1393
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: to be a four and a half year old or nothing,

1394
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: that's what really really blows the wind up my skirt.

1395
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: Go ahead, like, if that's what makes you happy, that's

1396
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: freaking awesome. Do that. But if you're going I'm not,

1397
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: that's this isn't happening for me. I'm not enjoying this.

1398
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I really wanted to shoot that book,

1399
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: but I feel I felt like people would laugh at

1400
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: me on Instagram or something like, dude, just figure out

1401
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: what makes you happy out there and go lean into

1402
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: that hard, because that's what this is for. Yeah, and man,

1403
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: that is uh, that's important stuff for for me and

1404
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: everyone to hear these days. Absolutely that and the fact

1405
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: that I'm also going to take away the expression whatever

1406
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: blows you're scirt up. I like that. Oh man, no,

1407
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: but that's this. This is the kind of stuff I'm

1408
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: constantly thinking about out there too. I'm very goal oriented.

1409
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm very driven by what I set my sights on UM.

1410
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly struggling between what you just described having

1411
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: fun versus the fun of pursuing a tough challenge and

1412
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: pushing through challenges. Like I enjoy that, but then also

1413
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't enjoy it. Um, We'll have those moments

1414
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: of frustration. And so yeah, it's something that I'm kind

1415
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: instantly working through and trying to find that right balance point.

1416
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's a good it's a good thing to

1417
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: bring up. I'm glad you did. I just I look

1418
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: at it like when I see you fishing out there

1419
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: in Idaho, now a lot I know exactly what's going

1420
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: on there, Like you're finding a new outlet in the

1421
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: outdoors that isn't the pressure of of big Bucks and

1422
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: your job that's built around killing white tails. It's something different,

1423
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: and there's an enjoyment level in there. You can you

1424
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: can watch like Lilakowski is super into fishing right now.

1425
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: It's not a like it's not an accident. You know,

1426
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: the dudes had to work around white tails so long.

1427
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: It pushes you. Either either you walk away or you

1428
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: find other things that are an outlet. And I think

1429
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to understand when you talk about

1430
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: Lelakowski and you can just sort of look at his

1431
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: life and go, Okay, well, yeah, it seems like that

1432
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: guy should go find something fun to do in the

1433
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: outdoors that doesn't involve making a product around killing big

1434
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: game animals. But I think I think a lot of

1435
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: hunters out there, especially in today's you know, social media,

1436
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: everybody's out there showing you how wonderful they are and

1437
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: how awesome their selfies are in the tree stand. Like,

1438
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: I think everybody has to figure that out. I think

1439
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: we all bump into those issues regardless of what you

1440
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: do for a living, regardless of whether you hunt two

1441
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: days a year or fifty is just find those things

1442
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: that you enjoy out there and get after them. And

1443
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: if if it's not, you know, like if you don't

1444
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: enjoy the pursuit of one booner out there, like find

1445
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: something else, find something else that you really enjoy about it,

1446
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: and do that. Go fishing, dude. It's anything like that. There,

1447
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: there's something really to be said about not just having

1448
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: that single focus, but to be somebody who can learn

1449
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: to just enjoy the outdoors and a lot of different capacities.

1450
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: Very very true. Okay, Tony, we got to wrap it

1451
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: up a little earlier than I usually like to do,

1452
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: but I've got some other time constraints. So I want

1453
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: to ask you a few rapid fire questions to to

1454
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: close a sucker out. Um. But first I guess one

1455
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: one bigger question and then a little rapid fire series

1456
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: and and this is a hypothetical life post to everyone.

1457
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: I've done one of these what would you do podcasts

1458
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: so far, so I want to see how you'd approach it.

1459
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: Let's say I'm all powerful, I have control over the

1460
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: country and hunting privileges, and I am going to take

1461
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: away your right to hunt, your privilege to hunt for

1462
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: the next ten years. You can't hunt anything for ten

1463
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: years unless you kill a mature buck let's say three,

1464
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: four year or something like that. You've got to kill

1465
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: a mature buck this year, but you only have one

1466
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: day to get it done. So you've got to pick

1467
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: the one day of the season in which you think

1468
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: you have your very best chance of killing a three

1469
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: or four year old buck. And I want to I

1470
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: want you to tell me what the day is gonna

1471
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: be that you're gonna pick, and then describe to me

1472
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: with as much details you can, like the hypothetical best

1473
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: spot you would try to hunt for that very specific day.

1474
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: Oh man, Uh, it's gonna be November seven. You know,

1475
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: the weather is going to be set up just perfectly

1476
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: cold front, a little frost on the ground when you

1477
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: get out there, and it's gonna be on just some

1478
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: type of absolutely banging pinch point some kind of terrain

1479
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: feature you know, maybe uh, a steep bluff that comes

1480
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: down to a river and just pinches it down and

1481
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: they have to go through there. That's in a state

1482
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: like Nebraska, will say would be probably there would there's

1483
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: a strong possibility if you pose that to me and

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01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: said you're down, You're done for a decade unless you

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: get this done, it would I'd probably be pointing my

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01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: truck to Nebraska on November six to get in there

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: on the seventh and do that beautiful all right now,

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: the rapid fire you can only answer with basically one

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: word answer yes or no, or I'll give you a

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: couple of options here. Um, we'll just go through these

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: really quick and then we're gona wrap this sucker up. So, Tony,

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01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: does the moon matter for deer movement? Yes or no? Yes?

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: Would you take a fifty yards shot at a white

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: tail with your bow? Yes or no? No? If you

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: could only have one of these for the rest of

1496
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: your hunting days, which would it be? Rattling antlers or

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: grunt tube grunt tube expandable or fixed blade broadheads fixed?

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01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: before shooting with your bow? Yes or no? Yes? Which

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: state has better deer hunters? Michigan or Iowa? Uh? Probably Michigan.

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: Here we go. All right, Tony, that's all I got

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: for you. All right, thank you, thanks for taking the

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01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: time to do this. I had fun and uh I

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: look forward to chatting more, hopefully in your podcast soon

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: and then getting me out here to Michigan. Awesome. Well,

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01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: thank you man. Hey. Also, real quick before you go,

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Speaker 1: for people that want to listen to your podcast or

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: follow along with your stuff, where can they find that stuff? Everywhere?

1509
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: Podcasts are? You know? It's hunt for real podcasts. I

1510
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: also host Sporting Dog Talk, which is all about working

1511
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: dogs hunting dogs. Anybody who listens who likes dogs should

1512
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: check that out and they're everywhere. So if you're if

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01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: you're listening to Wired Hunt, you can find my podcast

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Speaker 1: as well. Perfect all right, Tony, thank you, Let's check

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: in soon. All right, thanks buddy, and there you have it,

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01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: another episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast in the books.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the top, make sure you check

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Speaker 1: out dost Boat season two, make sure you're listening to

1520
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: those Rough Fresh radio episodes, and make sure you're following

1521
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt on Instagram for all things wired to Hunt,

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01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: new content, all that good stuff. Best to look out

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Speaker 1: there in the woods. I'm hoping you guys are putting

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Speaker 1: down some deer having a great time out there. Be safe,

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Speaker 1: have fun, and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.