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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light. I'm your host Tony Peterson, and

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Speaker 1: today I'm speaking to the one and only Zach Farrenbaud

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Speaker 1: from the hunting public. All right, folks, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: First Late you have probably figured out that this is

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Speaker 1: not the voice of Mark Kenyon. Marc is actually on

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Speaker 1: his ninth vacation of the year this week, so I

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Speaker 1: hope he enjoys himself. He left me a voicemail last

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Speaker 1: week and mentioned that he and Spencer were headed to

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Speaker 1: Florida to collect seashells and shark's teeth on the beach.

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Speaker 1: He said, so they could put them on display in

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Speaker 1: shadow boxes they bought at hobby lobby or something. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, but I do hope those

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Speaker 1: boys find some cool stuff on the beach, I guess,

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Speaker 1: and that they use plenty of sunscreen. Today. I'm keeping

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Speaker 1: this going alive and well with the one and only

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Speaker 1: Zach Ferrenbaugh. Zach is most well known for killing big

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Speaker 1: Bucks on public land from the ground, but we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna get into that too much on this show. Instead,

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Speaker 1: we actually dive into Zach's thoughts on the hunting media

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Speaker 1: trail cameras, what people think about big Bucks, and really

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Speaker 1: why his contrarian mindset helps him overcome some of the

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Speaker 1: most difficult deer in the country. This episode is just

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Speaker 1: fun from start to finish. I think you're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: Zach Farrenboll, How the hell are you, buddy doing well? Man?

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Speaker 1: Just well? I don't know. I say I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a little stressed down preseason stuff,

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Speaker 1: but that happens every year. To me, it's like I

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Speaker 1: should be I should expect it more than what I do.

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Speaker 1: Depend Every year I'm like, oh damn, I got a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. I gotta get done, editing stuff, I

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Speaker 1: gotta plan out the season, and just all that stuff

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Speaker 1: is gets to my gets to where it's just running

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Speaker 1: through my head all day. Yeah, dude. My my wife

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Speaker 1: asked me the other day, She's like, you're really spun

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Speaker 1: up lately. And I'm like, every year you get to

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Speaker 1: I you know, I do this tag, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: draw this tag or where am I going in this

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Speaker 1: week in October? And I know it's dumb stuff to

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Speaker 1: bitch about. Yeah, I know it's first world problems, but

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Speaker 1: it like I become just like you, like I become

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Speaker 1: this kind of like a little ball of anxiety. Is that?

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Speaker 1: And then once you get into season, it's just sort

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Speaker 1: of like the flow. It's so much easier. One season

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Speaker 1: starts to go with the flow and you're just like

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Speaker 1: not worried. And I think I think part of that

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Speaker 1: is just the anticipation in a way is so extreme

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Speaker 1: because it's so fun and I know it's going to

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Speaker 1: be fun once it's here. But I just continue to

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Speaker 1: the day, it doesn't matter at all. It'll work itself out.

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Speaker 1: It always does. Are you do You do you still

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Speaker 1: love it? Like the filming, Yeah, I definitely do. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that I would say I was telling you

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Speaker 1: it's always been that way though for me, where it's

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Speaker 1: like I always want to be out there hunting or filming.

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Speaker 1: I don't like they're being a season open and sitting

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Speaker 1: that's a dirty little secret about when you make content,

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Speaker 1: Like the editing video sucks so much. Like there's parts

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Speaker 1: That stuff is a heavier lift than people probably assume.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm pretty good buddies with Tom Miranda,

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Speaker 1: you played any like sports, there's always the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: opponents doing, how to adjust for the future. It's the

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Speaker 1: same thing in hunting. When you sit there and you

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Speaker 1: like and I think it's such a good lesson there,

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Speaker 1: what's the one that haunts you the most? Which which

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Speaker 1: do that, and you can't blow them out of there,

429
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: and you've got to be like, you know, so like

430
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: surgically precise, and you're out there and you're just like,

431
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna chase him. I mean, but you know,

432
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: and it's like the danger with that is it looks

433
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: when you see like an edited version of it, it

434
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: looks easy because you see it work out or you know,

435
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: you see like the the encounters, and it's like an

436
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 1: experienced thing because you know how to move and you

437
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: know when to move and to read the conditions and stuff.

438
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: So it's not there's there's sort of a I don't

439
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: want to say, like a disingenuous look to it, but

440
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 1: it's like an incomplete picture. So it goes both ways.

441
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, well, and I think it's one of these

442
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: things where I still haven't fully explained or been able

443
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: to figure out how to explain how to start that

444
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: or how to break into that. But like, I mean,

445
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: it kind of taps into the topic that you you

446
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it like giving bucks like all

447
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: this credit, like that they're they're so they're so smart,

448
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, they are a mature buck

449
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: is smarter than most deer. But with that being said,

450
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: he's still just a deer. He's still just a deer.

451
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: Even a five, even a nine year old buck has

452
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: been around the block a bunch of times. He's still

453
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: a deer. And I think that, um, you know, just understanding,

454
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: like based off of your experiences, what they can see,

455
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: what are the things that they can see, How easy

456
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: is it for them to smell you, how much nois

457
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: does it take to catch their attention? And then you know,

458
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: just learning how to finesse those things is something that

459
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: only happens once you just dive into that head first

460
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: and stop bringing about hey like I'm gonna I'm gonna

461
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: spook deer, But so is a guy walking to his

462
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: tree stand, Like there's no difference. Still just a hunter

463
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: in the woods to theas deer. It's no different. And

464
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: in some situations, I think it's a hunter in the woods,

465
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: but it's less it's so much less predictable that that's

466
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: to your advantage, even when spooking deer. Right, So, you know,

467
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: you think about most bow hunters there they're setting in,

468
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: setting up in stationary positions, a lot of times in

469
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: a tree, a lot of times in a permanent spot

470
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: where I mean you think about a big buck, You're

471
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: in his home and all of a sudden, you know,

472
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: there's all this grounds on the ground, there's this new

473
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: metal piece sticking to a tree, you know, and then

474
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: when every time he smells that hunter, it's right in

475
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: that same spot. You know. That's where I think it's

476
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: more dangerous, truly endear smarter than us in that way

477
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: than just me randomly running through a betting area, you know,

478
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: or I don't say running, but you know, blowing up

479
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: a betting area on accident. It's like, yeah, you know,

480
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: they're kind of come back because they're not like that's

481
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: not predictable, Like how are they going to predict that again?

482
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Anyway, well, and I mean

483
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: it is true and it you know, one of the

484
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: reasons that we do give them so much credit is

485
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: because we tend to try to hunt them where we

486
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: want to hunt. And this is you know, I talked

487
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: to any may about this, and this is like so common,

488
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: and you know, the message from a lot of like

489
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: Public Land killers is like if you do what everybody

490
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: else does, it's not gonna work because they have you

491
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: dialed that way. And I always like I've really started

492
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: to think and think about it, like you know, we're

493
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: the scariest predator they have out there. We don't think

494
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: about it that way, but like imagine, I mean, just

495
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: imagine like the average guns season out Like how terrifying

496
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: that was. I mean, you've got dudes everywhere in trees

497
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: with high powered rifles or shotguns, we're depending on where

498
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: you're at. And then all of a sudden, you've got

499
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: a line of seven of them walking through the woods

500
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: in the corn and you've got guys on the end.

501
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Like imagine a scenario where you're, you know, like you're

502
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: a prey animal and you encounter that ship, you know,

503
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: and so like they're gonna dial into it. They're just

504
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna go man when you know, even especially like the

505
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: things they learned about us after dark, like the scent

506
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: we leave and oh, this corner of this field on

507
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: public Land has fresh human scent every freaking time I

508
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: come out here. So I think probably I'm not coming

509
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: out here in daylight, you know, And I just think

510
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes as simple as that. And I know,

511
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: I know there's individual variables out there, but really, like

512
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: if you're if you're taking the easy access and you're

513
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: sitting the places that you want to sit because you

514
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: can see a lot, you're probably sitting in a place

515
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: where deer have you. You and everybody who has done

516
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: that for however many years pretty much dialed in. Now

517
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: you don't see him every time by any means when

518
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: you do this. But in my opinion, to hunt a

519
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: whitetail buck, find like stick habitat that is tough to

520
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: access for one reason or another. And I mean not

521
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: to dive into the to the you know, creative or

522
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: tough access thing, but like think outside of your out

523
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: of the box, look at what the majority of people

524
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: are doing, and if they're doing something that's not leading

525
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: them to that thick area, there's going to be about

526
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: their period like it's not and and I mean that's

527
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the most dumbed down version of it. There's so many

528
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: fine details that you can take into consideration, but that's

529
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: your starting point. And then just go in there and

530
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: have confidence and try something that is different or put

531
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: yourself in, you know, a situation that you haven't maybe before.

532
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: And honestly, to me, that's when I started doing stuff

533
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: that was off ball and I quit karen at all

534
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: about what I was supposed to be doing or you know,

535
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: thinking about it a certain way. That's when better things

536
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: started happening. And even even you know, when I look

537
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: back on I mean, are there's so many hunts man

538
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: where it's straight up bumped a buck, straight up bumped him,

539
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: And that's how I found out that he was there,

540
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: like watching him run away, like he knows I'm there

541
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: and he's going away. And now whether I shoot him

542
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: in that same spot where you know, a little bit

543
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: different spot or whatever, or see him even but like

544
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: like we just give him so much credit that it's

545
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: like once they you spook him, once it's over, it's like,

546
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: well not necessarily, if you've got enough room to roam,

547
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: like he's probably still I mean, he's definitely still gonna

548
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: just be on that area somewhere, So what's the next spot?

549
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: I Mean it's just like I could look back on

550
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: the wall here and just say that's that this one

551
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: than I bumped um one a bump bump bumped. You know,

552
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: it's just like it's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. Well, and you

553
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: know what I always think about with that too, because

554
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: I you know, when I grew up, when I first

555
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: started hunting, that was a big deal. Like you don't

556
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: freaking do that. Like if you if they know you're there,

557
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: you're done. You know, like it's over. And you know,

558
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: as you get older and you start getting more experience

559
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: out there, like they don't go anywhere, like I mean,

560
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: that's where he lives, and so he might change his

561
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: behavior where he lives to some extent, but he's given

562
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: you such a valuable piece of information because he was

563
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: there today in these conditions and you saw him. So

564
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, like now it's your move, and always think

565
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: about it. Like we we do a lot of rabbit

566
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: hunting in like January and February, and you know, like

567
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: we look at white tails, were like they're so smart,

568
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: they're so okay, g there's such survivor machines. And then

569
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: you go push a cotton tail rabbit out of like

570
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: a you know, cattail slew or like an overgrown homestead

571
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: and if you don't kill him you're not sitting there

572
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, well, that rabbit's never gonna be back

573
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: right like you, I think tomorrow that son of a

574
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: bitch is gonna be right here, and maybe when we

575
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: push him he'll squirt out a different way. Or you know,

576
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: the same thing with the pheasants on public land is

577
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: like you you run through slew one way one day,

578
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: If you go back and do it the next day,

579
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: it usually doesn't work as well. But those pheasants are there,

580
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: so now instead of just blowing out the end, they

581
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, they snuck to the edge of the open

582
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: water and they waited, or you know, all of a

583
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: sudden they flush behind you and they're just learning from you.

584
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: But they're there and huntable. And I think quite too,

585
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: like I think out too, Like I think there's the

586
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: same thing like, yeah, we we look at them like

587
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: they got us really figured out on a level of

588
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: thinking that we're they don't have, Like they have survivor

589
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: instincts and they can learn. But it's not like, you know,

590
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: we got a lot of advantages between our ears. Even

591
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: the dumbest hunter out there is a hell of a

592
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: lot smarter than the smartest buck. Right, And I think

593
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: it's I think that voice though, or where where what

594
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: really separates folkses is when you start making the choice

595
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: to learn from those mistakes or you learn from that

596
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, what can I do differently or

597
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: what like Okay, he was here, and what's he going

598
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: to do next? You know, maybe you have enough time

599
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: to hunt him at day, Which that's one thing that

600
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: blows my mind, is like to me, to me, I guess,

601
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: let me back up to me more and more. There's

602
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: no better confidence boost than seeing Bucks in an area.

603
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Like if you're seeing Bucks do something or whatever, it's like, okay,

604
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: like I just need to go get in there and

605
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: just start, you know, committing some effort to that. And

606
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then you know it's all about

607
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: just making fine decisions from there. But like there's so

608
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: many times I see, like especially on videos, where somebody

609
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: else see a buck and it's just like, okay, that's

610
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the target buck. But then they continue to just like

611
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: sit there and wait. And it's like, especially in bow season,

612
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of times or the reason

613
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: that you just saw him is just because they already

614
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: know that that's where you're going to be. Like especially

615
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: with a bow. Now, they get quick when they start hearing,

616
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: get quick to change when they hear guns go off.

617
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: But like if you're bow hunting and they just kind

618
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: of make that loop around your stand and that stand

619
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: has been there for forever, especially if it's a buffet,

620
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, if it's like wait, maybe he's actually this

621
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: patterned me And I think you know, just to think

622
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: critically of your mistakes or not even your mistakes, but

623
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: you're maybe laughing success or maybe not the success that

624
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: you want. Just thinking outside the box a little bit,

625
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: because again, you are smarter than them. Like you can

626
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: literally bump on it a day and that be his downfall.

627
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean it happens all the time, and it's just

628
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Though. I guess the bumping thing is

629
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: something that just it's honestly something I need to get

630
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: back to a little bit more. I need to get

631
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: a little looser and just start you know, not playing

632
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: don't play things cautious. And I think that's the other

633
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: thing too, where I mentioned he find a thick spot.

634
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean this is very general, but thick spot where

635
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are going. There's gonna be

636
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: a buck there, don't worry about like playing that spot

637
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: super safe because you're probably good enough to find another one.

638
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: So if you mess it up, if you hunt it

639
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: ultra aggressive and you do feel like you messed it up,

640
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: just go to the next spot, go to a different spot,

641
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and just keep moving. And that's something that I find

642
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: when I feel like I'm making mistakes, especially after the season,

643
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I can really break it down. It's like maybe I

644
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: just spent too much time in that spot and I

645
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: wasn't looking at it, you know, I should have just

646
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: not tiptoed around there, just either went somewhere else or

647
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: just went straight to the money spot and then got

648
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: out of there and then with the different spot. Anyway,

649
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting winded. Well, you know. You know where where

650
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: I feel that the most, like currently in my my

651
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: white tail hunting is is situations where I'm like close

652
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: but not right on where I need to be, you

653
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's not like I'm not

654
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: talking about like you're sitting on a hundred acre cornfield

655
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: that's been cut and they come out on the far end,

656
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: and like like North Dakota last year, for example, I

657
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: had one buck that was like he was in play

658
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: and he was you know, he was a nice deer.

659
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: He wasn't a giant. He's like er in public land,

660
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: and he was like the guy living there. And I'm like,

661
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: he's the one I'm targeting. And I went in on

662
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: him to kill him on a water hole because of

663
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: where he was. And he came in the first night

664
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: and he was like six ft from being in my

665
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: shooting lane and he winded me because it was just wonky,

666
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: and I just I was pushing it whatever. I blew

667
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: him out, and I knew, I knew I was like

668
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: on the edge right, Like I knew this was like

669
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: it might break my way, might break his way. But

670
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I was also like, you're kind of sitting where you

671
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: want to sit when you probably should be like fifty

672
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: yards over there. And it's not right over the water,

673
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: it's over one of the routes to it, but it

674
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: was right. And I sat there the next morning and

675
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of deer go by there, and

676
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know this, and yet you're like just

677
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: content to sit far enough off where it could work

678
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: for you instead of just getting down freaking moving. Yeah,

679
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: and and like what's what are you? What are you sacrificing, Like,

680
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: what's the worst that happens? Like in your brain. To me,

681
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: that's what always happens is it's like, oh, another deer

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: is gonna get down wind of me or something. It's like, so, yeah,

683
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: if that's where the buck is gonna walk, be able

684
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: to shoot that at ten yards, you know, but but

685
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: go on, sorry, but I mean, it's just it's the

686
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: little stuff like that, and you know, it's settling, Like

687
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: I think there's like so much danger in settling on

688
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: anything like that, because you know, when I think about

689
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: most of the public land bucks I've killed, it's it's

690
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: almost always like an observation and then a move and

691
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: a kill. It's you know, sometimes you get it right

692
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: right away. Sometimes it's a grind on day seven or

693
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: whatever like it. It goes a lot of different ways.

694
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: But when I feel like I'm in the zone and

695
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm making it work, it's almost always like here's my spot,

696
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching, I see something, they give you, they give

697
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: you something, and then you're on the next day and

698
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: it just happens that way. And I think one of

699
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: the things I want to ask you about this is like,

700
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: do you feel when you're out there because you come

701
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: from Iowa. You come from you know, like Bill Winkie's

702
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: world a long time ago, and you know, like the

703
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: name bucks and grow them and and like the totally

704
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: different style from what you guys have done on th HP.

705
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I think that there's like a a level of like

706
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: you kind of unshackle yourself when you go to public

707
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: land because you don't have that history and you're not

708
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: a one buck hunter. You're like, where's the spot? And

709
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: you said this earlier, like where's this thick spot that

710
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: a buck lives? Because that buck that's in there is

711
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: probably big enough to make you happy. And you're not

712
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: like I gotta find X amount of hit listers. You're like,

713
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: I gotta find a spot to hunt deer, and I'm

714
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: going to accept the fact whether I'm in Georgia or

715
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: Nebraska or whatever, that the buck that is here, he's

716
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. And you'll decide in the moment.

717
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: But usually when you find the spot, the buck lives

718
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: up to your expectations. And you know, I mean, if

719
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: you have a range, that's better. This is what This

720
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: is what I when I feel like I'm hunting my

721
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: best or us as a group, we're hunting our best

722
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: is when we have this mentality of we're hunting where

723
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: we think the biggest buck in the damn county lives,

724
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: but if a nice one comes in, we're shooting him,

725
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like whatever that means.

726
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: A decent one comes in, you know, whatever that means.

727
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: That made very place to place. But like it's it's

728
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: just so important to have that mentality. I think, hunt

729
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: where you think there's a big one and like you said,

730
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: there's probably a day and good chance he's going to

731
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: be there. And honestly, in my experience, a lot of times,

732
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm so pleasantly surprised. There's been a lot of situations

733
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, I didn't think that that was

734
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: going to come out of here necessarily, But I'm plenty

735
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: happy with that, and like yeah, you just know, you

736
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: just know in the moment too, it's like oh yeah,

737
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: good enough, like shooting well. And I mean but at

738
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: that point there, that that was something that I encountered

739
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: when I really started hunting public land too, was like, man,

740
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: what's supposed to be here versus what I'm seeing is

741
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: is better and and it's like everywhere you go, like

742
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. A lot of places you go

743
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: to and you know, like you talk to the locals

744
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, it's not worth it, and you don't

745
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: know if they're full of ship or if they really

746
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: believe it or whatever. Who knows. But so often, you know,

747
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: there's like a stigma attached to a certain place, and

748
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: it's always always comes from the people who live there

749
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: who have kind of written it off, and then you

750
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: go in and it's like, jeez, you know, like everybody

751
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: talks about genetics and being in the Trophy States, but

752
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, you get dear to three years old, which

753
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: happens everywhere. I don't care where you live. You're already

754
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: talking about deer that are gonna probably get most people's

755
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: heart rate up, and like be a great deer. Whether

756
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: it's a hundred inch or a hundred and thirty inch

757
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, ninety I don't care. It's all situational and

758
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: they're out there, and I think I think that's like

759
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: so important, Like I think that's one of the things

760
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: you guys showed, and I think what's crazy about it

761
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, you guys are good hunters, but you're

762
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: also just showing people what's out there, And so I

763
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: think people are often like, well, Jesus, what's their secret?

764
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: Like why why are they capable of doing this everywhere?

765
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they're good hunters, but they're also just

766
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: showing you what you didn't think was there because they're

767
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: out there doing this, and that's an important lesson. Yeah,

768
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: And it's weird too because with public land there's generally

769
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: enough ground that you find something. Like I said, it's

770
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: better than what you expect because and and again, in

771
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: my experience, if I'm covering a bunch of ground, I'm

772
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: finding stuff. Eventually will find something. It doesn't always happen

773
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: on the second day. And like I like to think

774
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: of every trip that I make is like we're talking

775
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: earlier about being relatable. I like to think seven days

776
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: is fairly realistic. You know, I don't. I don't technically

777
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: have like a home base for whitetail anymore. You don't

778
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: have a home play. I don't have out my back

779
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: door scalt Like every time I go to Scout Dear,

780
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: it's more than five hours away. You know, at minimum,

781
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: that's very minimum. That's like the closest white tail stuff.

782
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Everything else is you know, pretty much on the fly,

783
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: So I like to think in seven days that's pretty

784
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: realistic to somebody's trip for the year. So in most

785
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: most of the time, I'm trying to fit that into

786
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: seven days. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. But for

787
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: the most part, the progression goes like, find find areas

788
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: that are of interest, drive around them, spend a day

789
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: covering ground around them to see if what the access

790
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: is like, what the neighborhood looks like. Then go put

791
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: boots on the ground and just cover ground and just

792
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: try to find where there's this sign that's telling me

793
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: there is something there that's something I want to chase,

794
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: and eventually you find it. There's a lot of places

795
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: that yeah, it's like you get in there, it's like, oh,

796
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: so this old stands, and you know there's four wheeler

797
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: trails where there shouldn't be, and you know there's all

798
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: this hunter signed. But then all of a sudden, if

799
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: you cover enough ground and you do that initial legwork

800
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: to kind of find places that are maybe off wall

801
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: a little bit, eventually you find something that tells you

802
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this has got it. And honestly, a

803
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: lot of times more than I think it's going to

804
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: have more than one, you know, you get back there, nurse.

805
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an example I used earlier when we're

806
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: talking about the mistakes that those two bucks is two

807
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: bucks that I would have been more than happy to shoot.

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: We're on the same ridge system, Like they were right

809
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: in the same area. They were within probably within four

810
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: hundred yards of those two encounters were. And it's like

811
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: in those two bucks were different bucks and what we

812
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: saw the day prior, so there was like four in

813
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: there that we would have, you know, been happy to shoot.

814
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: So it's just I don't know, I think that's and

815
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's also a lot of I hear a

816
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: lot about states like I actually won't even throw anybody

817
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: under the bus. I just will save them from it.

818
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, you're kind of a typical

819
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: states that you hear the most like kind of grape

820
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: them about. I guess like, oh, there's no bucks here,

821
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: There's no And it's like you start looking at the

822
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: map there and it's like there's so much public land

823
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: that there's absolutely a lot of mature bucks. I mean,

824
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: anywhere where there's mountains in the Eastern United States, there's

825
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: gonna be hammers in there because there's just not that

826
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: many people like, you know, even more so than like

827
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: an elk country. So Elk country, for example, is super extreme,

828
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: super rugged. But like the people that go out there

829
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: to hunt elk all have that mentality that we're going

830
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: anywhere where there's elk. It doesn't matter if it's you know,

831
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: twelve thousand feet or if it's down at nine thousand,

832
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: We're going anywhere and everywhere. White tail hunters don't do that.

833
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: If there's a mountain that that is that you know,

834
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: three some foot and it's super rugged, bunch of finger

835
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: ridges off the main ridge. I mean, there's magnum bucks

836
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: in there. Like they may not be they may not

837
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: scork d but there's bucks that are probably gonna dive

838
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: old age in that stuff. Well, and I know, and

839
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think Pennsylvania is such a good example

840
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: of that. I was just going to name that one,

841
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: but it really is, because you know, I grew up

842
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: hearing about Pennsylvania and how many hunters are out there,

843
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: in the density of hunters and just like like an

844
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: insurmountable amount of pressure, and I know, I know something's

845
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: changed out there, But man, I have some buddies you know,

846
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Clinton Campbell and Aaron Heppler and somebody's dudes out there.

847
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: They're scouting their asses off out there, and they are

848
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: on big deer all the time. And I mean, like,

849
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: dear that most people, if they were sitting on a

850
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: tree stander and Iowa, are going to shoot if it

851
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: comes down the trail. And you just look at that

852
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: and you go, yeah, I mean, like that's that's make

853
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: anybody happy. And I know, I honestly think that one

854
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: of the worst things we do about deer, you know,

855
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of not only given them too much credit, but

856
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: also just like just like buying into the negativity around

857
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: every freaking opportunity so fast when you look at that

858
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: and go like is this true? Is this really true?

859
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: That you know, this six thousand acre chunk of public

860
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: land here has no big ones in it because of

861
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: the right bahrners kill them all and it you know,

862
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: like the best example is that, like when you hear

863
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: somebody from like Nebraska or like South Dakota complain about

864
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: that like, oh, you know, our gun season sucks. It's

865
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: just it's brown, it's down and there's no big bucks

866
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: in there. And I'm like, are you sure like have

867
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: you driven around in August and looked at some of

868
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: these places like they're there somewhere, you know. But if

869
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: you if you haven't made up in your head that

870
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: it isn't gonna work for you. It's not gonna freaking work,

871
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: you're not gonna find it. Yeah, well, and and it's

872
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: not it's not necessarily something that I mean again, when

873
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: you compare things to what you're seeing kind of mainstream

874
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: media too, it's it's so much of a different situation

875
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: for the most part that it's like you're watching people

876
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, look at this bean field

877
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: and watch an hour before dark, you know, a handful

878
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: of does, a couple of small bucks, and you know,

879
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: one big giant body, big antler buck come out. It's like, man,

880
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: it's so easy there. And it's like, yeah, honestly, it

881
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: probably is easier situation, but that doesn't mean it can't

882
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: be done in your spot. It's just going to take

883
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: a different learning curve. And like that's where you know,

884
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: it really comes down to all hunting, just getting out

885
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: there and trying. You're never gonna get any better if

886
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: you just say, oh, I only want to wait for

887
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: the good stuff. That's just I mean, that's just I

888
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: don't know, it's unrealistic and not get the hunt as

889
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: much as you want. You're not gonna get the become

890
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: as good of a hunter as you want if you

891
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: are only waiting for the good. It's just like we

892
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: were talking about elk before this, and it's like you

893
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: could be the type of person that's like, you know what,

894
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I want to hunt milk every year, and when I'm

895
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: done hunting milk thirty years from now, four years, when

896
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm dead. That's what I'm hoping to be done, is

897
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: when I'm dead. But you know, I could sit there

898
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and wait for the best opportunities, the best tags, weight

899
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: put in preferenced points, and draw these tags every five

900
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: or six years, and maybe on my wall in my

901
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: trophy room that I'm showing off to my buddies. Maybe

902
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: that makes me look like the better hunting. But if

903
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually going every year, getting more experienced, getting more

904
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: days in the field, and I maybe have a couple

905
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: of rag horns to show for it, in my opinion,

906
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: the person with the rag horns, that's the person that's

907
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: that's the better hunter. He's getting the experience. Not to

908
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: say that you know, everybody likes to shoot a big buck,

909
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: everybody likes shoot a big bowl. But like, at the

910
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, getting experienced shooting deer, that's that's

911
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: the most valuable thing that you could do as a hunter.

912
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes it doesn't always look pretty for you know,

913
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: like it would as the guy in the magazine that's

914
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: got the hundred back. It's just like it's not always

915
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: like that, and that's okay that that doesn't mean you're

916
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: not a good hunter carry either, And I think keeping

917
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: that in mind too, he gets the ship. Anybody thinks, man,

918
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing who cares with it. And unfortunately to

919
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: be a big a good hunter these days because because

920
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: of pictures and social media, and it's the kind of

921
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: the idea around hunting is like, unfortunately a lot of

922
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: people believe you have to kill big bucks and that's

923
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: just not true. Well and I mean the reality is

924
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: it's not going to work out anyway, yeah, you know,

925
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: And hunting is such a weird thing because we don't

926
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: we look like everybody has like the same chance and

927
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: the same skill level and stuff. It's just not true.

928
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this the other day. I

929
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: can't remember how it came up. But we're talking. I

930
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: was talking to my daughters about artists, like you know,

931
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: people who create different ships, and I was like, some

932
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: people just have it and some people don't, you know,

933
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Like I always joke my wife hates it, but I

934
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: was joke like I don't. The only thing I'm manly

935
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: with is hunting and fishing. Like if you were like, hey,

936
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: go change the oil in your truck, I like, I

937
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to do that. I'm gonna screw that up.

938
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: Like I mean like in YouTube it or whatever. Like

939
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: we all have our different talents and like you just

940
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: might not You might not be good enough to go

941
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: out and kill big bucks everywhere. Well you also might

942
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: just not have set your your life up in a

943
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: situation where you get as much opportunity either. Like that's

944
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: another factor that Like last time we did a podcast,

945
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: We're talking with Mark and he asked like the question

946
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: of you know, if you only have one morning to hunt.

947
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: I I thought about that for years. It's like, yeah,

948
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: stuff would look a lot different for me if I

949
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: had my life set up differently. And I think that, like,

950
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, you look at every person's hunting situation. Everybody's

951
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: in a different situation, different years of experience, different influences,

952
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: different I mean, just think about like having a good

953
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: hunting mentor versus being you know, from the time of

954
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: your little kid to the time you know, you start

955
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: going on your own handful of years versus somebody that's

956
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: like out of college twenty two years old, twenty five

957
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: years old, and you're like, I think I might start hunting.

958
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Think about how different that situation is. And if you

959
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: start to immediately measure yourself against other people, yeah, you

960
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: just start doing In my opinion, that's just the wrong

961
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: thing do in general, because you can't measure yourself because

962
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: your situation is not necessarily the same. YEA, think about

963
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: somebody who you know is hunting in the mountains of

964
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: North Carolina compared to somebody who you know, all of

965
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, like just what happens, chance landed, you know,

966
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: this big property to hunt in Kansas. I mean, think

967
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: about how much different those two situations look. And if

968
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: there's if the guy from North Carolina's sitting here looking

969
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: at the dough that he killed with his bow and

970
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: he's comparing it too. You know, this guy that shopped

971
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: this big back on his property in Kansas. Is that

972
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: the same comparison. It's like, in my opinion, it isn't.

973
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: But you also can't get down that rabbit hole of

974
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: comparing either. That's why you just gotta worry about your

975
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: ship and keep going, just keep having fun, you know.

976
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: I think I think one of the dangerous things that's happened,

977
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, with with hunting media and just like the

978
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: amount of content that's out there now is like I've

979
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: noticed this, especially like turkey hunting. I take a lot

980
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: of people out turkey hunting, and you know, you get

981
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: somebody who's only been doing it a couple of years

982
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, but they've got like you know, they're all

983
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: cameled up and they have the gear and everything, and

984
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: you talk to him, and inevitably they watch you eyes,

985
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: they watch meat eater. They they're consumers, and you know,

986
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: they're they're almost trying to like learn vicariously through the content.

987
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: And and like some of the content is really good

988
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: and like you can learn some stuff from it, and

989
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: but I think like the main commonative it is just

990
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: just inspiration, like go and try this ship on your

991
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: own and learn on your own. And I think I

992
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like when I was coming up,

993
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: you didn't have a choice. You just did that, like

994
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: because that's you know, we didn't have the same kind

995
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: of content level that we have now, and it was

996
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: just like, well, you just go hunt, like you just

997
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: go go look for him in the summer and sneak

998
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: around and you glass them and in the fall you

999
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: have one tree stand and you just move around and whatever.

1000
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: You know, like you just learn. And now there's sort

1001
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: of this illusion that you can just like learn this

1002
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: by osmosis. And I think that like the best thing

1003
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: about it is like, yeah, you can get some great ideas,

1004
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: like you listen to and you may tell his stories

1005
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get some ship out of it. That's

1006
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that works for you, like no question. But there's also

1007
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: just like the inspiration level just like go out and

1008
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: do this. And I really think, like you know kind

1009
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about earlier, and you said, like

1010
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: go find that concentration to bucks or go find that

1011
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: sign and the thick stuff, and you're gonna be around him. Like, man,

1012
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: the best part about deer hunting to me now is

1013
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: that feeling of getting into that spot. I don't know

1014
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: who's there, I see the sign, I got the you know,

1015
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: it gives me the warm and fuzzies, and you get

1016
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: up in that tree and yeah, sometimes you blank, sometimes

1017
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: you get busted. Sometimes like a lot of times it

1018
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. But that feeling of like I'm I

1019
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: think I'm on it right now, that's the best. Like

1020
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: it's it's different than you know, if you go into

1021
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: a situation where it's like an easier hunt and whatever.

1022
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: People want whatever they want. But like for me, I've

1023
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: done some of the easy ones and it gets fun

1024
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: to see big bucks and kill one and not have

1025
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: to work too hard. But it's not the same feeling

1026
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: as like, man, when you just like I just I

1027
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: figured this out. This is the spot that makes my

1028
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: nuts buzz, and you get in there freaking love it

1029
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: because you're learning any I mean, you get your askick

1030
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: all the time, but you know, like you you you

1031
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: at least brushed up against something worthwhile there something that

1032
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I M I know this is

1033
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: very abnormal. And this is just the personal thing that

1034
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: I would challenge somebody that maybe wants to get more

1035
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: out of one thing. It's like, if you want to

1036
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: get more out of it, consider ditching trail cameras. I

1037
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that don't use them,

1038
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: but like it's so popular these days, and I think

1039
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: to myself, like there's nothing I want less than a

1040
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: trail camera. I hate those things. I mean I hate them.

1041
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: I hate finding them in the woods. I hate I

1042
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: I know that's abnormal, but they just drive me crazy

1043
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: because I think of all the things that I get

1044
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: to learn that somebody else just like comes in here

1045
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: and slaps like this, like I'm getting to learn it

1046
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: on my feet, and then I get to make this prediction.

1047
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: But then somebody else is just using this, like imagine

1048
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: how much you can learn from that, and then it

1049
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: takes away from what I like to get out of it.

1050
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: So for me, it's not necessarily about other people. It

1051
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: more it's mostly just about like I don't want to

1052
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: do that. I don't want to get all that info

1053
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: when I'd rather just make a guess, see what comes

1054
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: in if it excites me, make the shot or whatever,

1055
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: and just move on. And it's like the trail cameras

1056
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I think are Man, they're a weird thing. It kind

1057
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: of starts to cross the line for me of like

1058
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, taking some sort of advantage to a

1059
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: different you know, it's like it just changes the advantage.

1060
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I actually think they also they change. They can if

1061
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: you understand them. I think they can really help, but

1062
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I think in another way, they can also really hurt you,

1063
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: and they can really be this disease. And I feel

1064
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: like I'm happy that I just decided that I was

1065
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna I shouldn't say I never use info from trail cameras,

1066
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: but it's not ever really anything that I'm using directly

1067
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: from my hunts. It's more like my buddy ran this camera.

1068
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the pictures after the fact and just

1069
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: looking at that, not necessarily ever using it from my

1070
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: own situation. I haven't ever like I shouldn't say, ever,

1071
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: last I did was like and fifteen I remember really

1072
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: have an amount, But I just think, but but that's

1073
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: what you learned. I mean, I think I think that

1074
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: they're amazing on private land in certain situations, like you

1075
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: can you can dial and ship real well. When I

1076
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: see them, I'll never forget. So when I do that.

1077
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: Last Iowa take two years ago, I had three spots

1078
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: that had a concentration and bucks in them, like they

1079
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: were just they were on and one of them was

1080
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: just like a classic river bottom set up, and it

1081
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: was it didn't have as many bucks in it, but

1082
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: it had a ton of deer. It was just it

1083
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: was dumb, like you you know, like you just walked

1084
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: in there. There's CRP, there's some hardwood, and there's a

1085
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: river like and it's Iowa. I went in there, and

1086
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: there was there were guys hunting in there, like I

1087
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one. And there was a trail camera

1088
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: set up, uh right by this guy's stand on this

1089
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: like super obvious crossing through through these this little woodline

1090
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: in the RP field, and I just kind of wanted

1091
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: to hold up a sign in front of it and

1092
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: be like they're here, dude, like come on in, like

1093
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: you don't need to see anything more like look around.

1094
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: There was freaking rubs and scrapes everywhere. And you know,

1095
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: the first night I sat in there, I had fourteen

1096
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: deer come through and I was, I was, I was

1097
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: a little bit awful where he was. But it's the

1098
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: same area and you know, like when you walk in

1099
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: there and there's the sign is incredible. And this was

1100
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: this was opening weekend, This was October one, you know,

1101
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: and I just look at that. I'm like, you're gonna

1102
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: come in and check that and be behind the eight

1103
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: ball on this, probably because me and a bunch of

1104
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: other people are hunting in here and you're gonna be

1105
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: looking at intel from three weeks ago, and yeah, you're

1106
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: gonna have inventory and you're gonna be like this big

1107
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: buck was here, but so was this dipshit who walked

1108
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: by in first light and this guy and like you

1109
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: it's it's like that's not the situation for it, probably,

1110
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, And I just it just it's

1111
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: one of these things like I guess it can be used.

1112
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean there, I guess that's the thing. To me,

1113
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: they're just so there's such a weird I don't know.

1114
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Here's where I've really got. It used to not be

1115
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: that much of a problem for me to where I

1116
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: wasn't really that bothered by it. But when it gets

1117
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: to a point where they're just everywhere you go, that

1118
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: starts to become a problem. And I've funded some places

1119
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: where I'm walking down every single ridge in the timber

1120
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: and they are literally lying down the ridge, and it's

1121
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: like like to me, that starts to become it just

1122
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: becomes so strange, especially on public land, where it's like

1123
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: I know this is I'm probably gonna get a hell

1124
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: lot of hate for this, but it's just like I

1125
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: know that's the norm is to be buind trail cameras,

1126
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: but like as soon as I see my Boddy start

1127
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: to do that, I tell them I don't like that.

1128
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't like to like, I don't want to be

1129
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: fine your cameras laying around everywhere out there, and it's

1130
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: just like it's just another piece of woods trash to me,

1131
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: just another thing that people will leave out there, just

1132
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: put in let deer know that, hey, we're actually out

1133
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: here hunting you now, you know. And it's just I

1134
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: don't know that it it's just something that recently has

1135
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: become more and more annoying to me, where it's like

1136
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: they just a popping up everywhere, like everywhere, and then

1137
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: it kind of becomes this thing to where it's like

1138
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: somebody's like reserving their little area, you know. On public land,

1139
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: it's like, especially when you put five down the ridge,

1140
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well, if I'm gonna be hunting, oh I'm

1141
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna be doing is walking in front of your camera

1142
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: every day. It's like that's not man, I know that

1143
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: that part. I mean, but that's what gets a banned,

1144
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: right when you see the airs on a situation with

1145
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: the water holes and stuff, because you know, there is

1146
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: an issue with claiming spots out there on public land,

1147
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: and you know some states, you know, some states you

1148
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: can't use them on public and that doesn't seem to

1149
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: deter anybody hardly because everywhere but it is, you know,

1150
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: it it's rough. But I also think because people lean

1151
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: on them so heavily, you can you can use that

1152
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: to your advantage, you know, like I mean, because you

1153
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: look at that and go, if that's your primary scouting strategy,

1154
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: you're missing a lot. And you and I agree, Well,

1155
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like in this specific example

1156
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: where like we found all these so actually one of

1157
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: the bucks that I shot um a couple of years ago,

1158
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: we were scouting this area. I don't know if it

1159
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: was actually I actually think it was after we shot

1160
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: the buck, but we shot this buck back. It was

1161
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: one of these situations where it was like we picked

1162
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the spot, we went to it, he was, and he

1163
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: was there, and we actually bumped him and then shot

1164
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: him later that night. Everything that I've been talking about

1165
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: as far as like picked spot, trust it, it's hard

1166
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: to get to he's going to be there. While we

1167
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: hunted there, it wasn't really much hunting. Sign Hunter signed

1168
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: in that area, but then we moved so later in

1169
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: the season, I was hunting filming in that same area

1170
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: and I was with my buddy and we were closer

1171
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: to the access point and we just we're going down

1172
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: different ridges and that's when we found one example where

1173
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: we found a bunch of trail cameras and it was like,

1174
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: if you take this piece of public land, you put

1175
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: access at point A, and then at point B is

1176
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: all these trail cameras. The buck was at point C

1177
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: and we bypassed it the first time we went in

1178
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: there and went straight to point C. Killed a buck

1179
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: and that, but point B there's all these cameras. And

1180
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, it's just it's not

1181
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: saying the buck didn't ever spend time there. But it's

1182
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 1: just like to me, it's just another thing to add

1183
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: pressure onto an area too. It's this is attatchment with

1184
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: a trail camera, especially when you've got that many up

1185
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 1: a mount there and stands scattered into it as well.

1186
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like you said, I don't know

1187
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: that that's the best application for it. It's like, if

1188
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: I was ever going to run a trail camera, I

1189
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: would put it in the deepest, darkest hole that I

1190
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: never wanted to go to leave it for an entire season,

1191
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: in the most hidden spot where I don't think anybody

1192
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: could ever see, and then I would just like not

1193
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: come get it through a year, you know what I mean,

1194
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: and just use that for the following season. But even then,

1195
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: it's like I just still I personally, I feel like

1196
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: my skills is an out you know, woodsman, I guess

1197
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: or increased if I avoid using those things. Yeah, well,

1198
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: I think I've got to the same place. I still

1199
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: use them, you know, on some of my private ground

1200
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: because I just like it, and especially with the girls,

1201
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: and I know I'm gonna take the girls to blinds.

1202
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I have set up like I have fun with that.

1203
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: But I noticed that I went through a phase where

1204
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: I got to rely on on them and I felt

1205
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: like I was behind the eight ball all time, and

1206
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't like I knew it,

1207
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, you're leaning on this too heavy and

1208
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: you're not having a very good year. And you know

1209
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: when you think about like, if you have private land

1210
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: and you have access to every freaking tool we have

1211
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: what you do so you can run trail camras, you

1212
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: can set stands, ladder stands, blinds, whatever the hell you want,

1213
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: and you're having worse hunts than when you travel on

1214
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: public land and you're in the moment for four or

1215
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: five days. There's a lesson there and that hit me

1216
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: over the head, probably like six years ago or something

1217
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: where I was like, not only am I having more

1218
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: fun where I'm just freelancing it and figure out something

1219
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: in the moment I'm doing, I'm killing bigger deer and

1220
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: like more consistently. And then it's like it's an eye

1221
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: opener because you go, why why would this be? And

1222
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, like I've told this on here before,

1223
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: but I'll never forget. I was in North Dakota one

1224
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: time and there was a couple of guys, a couple

1225
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: other guys from Minnesota with their camp next to us,

1226
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: and you know, they were big buck to the nth

1227
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 1: Degree're talking about bucks they've seen all over the place

1228
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: and absolute dipshit. But just anyway, Uh, they they came

1229
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: out there. They had kayaks, they had everything, and they

1230
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: were running trail cameras up and down the river. And

1231
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, going, you guys have four days and

1232
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: every quarter of a mile here is a peak you

1233
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: can sit on and look over two miles of this

1234
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: fricking river. Like you can get more intel with a

1235
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: spotting scope in one night then you'll get with trail

1236
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: cameras in three weeks. There, Like it's not the right

1237
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: tool for the job. And you know they were. They'd

1238
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: go up, paddle out and find a crossing, put a

1239
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: put a camera on there, so the very spot that

1240
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: they wanted or that the deer would go. Now you've

1241
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: left your scent there, you've walked up on the bank

1242
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: and you know, like you've probably knocked down some weeds

1243
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then you're like, I hope within the

1244
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: next couple of days, I'm going to get a picture

1245
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: of when I want to go to it, and I'm

1246
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna go there and hunt it. Like I'm like it's

1247
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: a lost cause. And they left. Yeah, well and it's

1248
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: so norm Like I said, it's just like it's just

1249
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: what the hunting industry is doing and telling you, and

1250
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: it's like so much of a content now, Like get

1251
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: online and start scrolling, and you're gonna see a trail camera.

1252
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: Like you follow any hunting page or anything, you're gonna

1253
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: start seeing trail camera pictures pop up. And I guess,

1254
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: to me, it's just it's just not You could make

1255
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: this sit here and say listen to all that I'm

1256
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: saying too and say all trail care zact against trail cameras.

1257
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't like, you know, he's saying that's an

1258
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: unfair advantage, but he's using on X. You could say

1259
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: the same thing about on X. I mean, yeah, it's

1260
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: made things a hell of a lot easier for whatever reason.

1261
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: Personally that doesn't cross a line for me, but for

1262
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: some reason, the trail And it's not just the trail cameras.

1263
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: I think, being um, it's not all about like one

1264
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: thing with the trail cameras. I guess it's like there's

1265
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of things that I think are disadvantages to

1266
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: m to using them. There's also advantages to using them.

1267
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: But it's also just like mentally, it's this easy way out.

1268
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: It's like this easy way to just like kind of

1269
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: lean on this a little bit and then it's also

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, gonna hurt you in the heat of the

1271
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: moment when really nice Buffy would shoot every day of

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01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: the week comes by, but because you've got this one

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: stupid picture of this really big buff that you're gonna

1274
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: like miss that opportunity or you're gonna be like, oh,

1275
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go sit over here because this

1276
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: camera was hot last week it's the weekend or whatever,

1277
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that happened, Like that already happened,

1278
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, like that's the thing. And especially when you

1279
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: get into self cameras, that gets even hilarious. It's like, oh,

1280
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna go And I mean, don't get me wrong,

1281
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: you could certainly use a self camera to your advantage

1282
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: if you can recognize what's happening in the situation of

1283
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: the picture. For example, if there's a buck with the

1284
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: dough and you're right next door, it's easy he run

1285
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: over there and he's you know, he's gonna be much

1286
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: more easy to make a stock on, for example. But

1287
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: if a buck's cruising and he cruises past your self camera,

1288
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: so yeah, good, dude's gone already, you know what I mean,

1289
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: and you can chase your tail doing that, and that's

1290
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: one of the Jake and I did that last year

1291
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: when I was filming him. We just like I felt

1292
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: like there's times where we were kind of just like

1293
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: chasing this picture because he likes to run trail cameras

1294
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: and I don't, but I, you know, I tag along

1295
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: for whatever. And it's just like, you know, one of

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01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: those deals that it kind of gets down to, it's like,

1297
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: just go with your Gut's better off just to go

1298
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: hunt with your gut. Just go to the places again,

1299
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: like we talk about man again, but all back to note,

1300
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: don't give them so much credit. Find the spot that

1301
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: makes sense, and I promise there'll be a buff there. Well,

1302
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: if you find ten of them, that could be your

1303
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: whole seat. You know, that could be your whole season.

1304
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: But just hind them all aggressively, go straight to the

1305
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: X and go hunted. He's probably going to be in

1306
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: there somewhere. I look at trail cameras right now, like

1307
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: because I do have fun running them for my daughters.

1308
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: I love it because every deer is a shooter and

1309
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: they just to get to get them pumped. It's so easy.

1310
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: But I always look at that like like I look

1311
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: at the colors for dog training. You know, if you

1312
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: if you look in the hunting dog world, you almost

1313
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: won't find a professional trainer who doesn't send every dog

1314
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: home with an e coller, Like that's how they they

1315
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: got to get results in eight weeks or twelve weeks.

1316
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: And that's the easiest way to do it. And they're

1317
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: like a great tool if you know how to use it,

1318
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: and you use it right with a dog that already

1319
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: understands everything and you've at the process down. But then

1320
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: the average person doesn't want to train a dog very well,

1321
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: and they go, this is a shortcut to a trained dog,

1322
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: and it's not. This is a shortcut to forced compliance

1323
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: that's only going to happen when that caller is on

1324
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: there typically. I mean it varies, you know, but it's

1325
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: not it's not getting you where you think it's gonna

1326
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: get you if you don't use it really well. And

1327
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: I look at that with trail cameras too, like their

1328
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: fogg they're they're a band aid, they're a shortcut. They

1329
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: can be a badass tool if you use them to

1330
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: complement a whole scouting strategy and you're like or even

1331
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: just for like you know, just just to get the

1332
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: confidence ut there you're like, jeez, there's like six bucks

1333
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: in this area that I would shoot, Like that's that's

1334
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: pretty good if it gets you up up in the morning.

1335
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: But it does, I think. I think though it starts

1336
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: to I think it's so easy to get in your

1337
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: head in a negative way to where it's just like, oh,

1338
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm not getting pictures, Like I know that there's been

1339
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: examples with our group where pad of camera spot it's

1340
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: not picking up ship and then in reality there's bucks

1341
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: crawling all over just in the other corner of the

1342
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: piece that you can't see from the camera, And I

1343
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: think stuff like that like and ultimately for me, I

1344
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: truly believe that I will end up with more, like

1345
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: I guess, a better experience to where it will help

1346
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: me in the future without them, Right Like, if I'm

1347
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: seeing this sign and I'm making that decision Okay, this

1348
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: is where I'm gonna set up today, and I make

1349
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: that decision just purely based off sign, I just think

1350
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: that that's more advantageous in the long run than trying

1351
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: to use this trail cameras like a short term solution

1352
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: to like, oh, I'm gonna find these bus this camera

1353
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: or however you're choosing to use it and not like again,

1354
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. It's like I I said, I

1355
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: hate them at the beginning, and I kind of regret

1356
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: saying that. It's like I understand that people like them,

1357
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: I personally don't, and I think it's just one of

1358
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: those deals. I also like being different. I kind of

1359
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: like just you know, stirring the pot a little bit,

1360
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: like leave your trail camera at home and see you

1361
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: like and just see what you can come up with,

1362
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: Like you'll be better for it, and like I kind

1363
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: of like, just I don't know. That's kind of my

1364
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: main point with all that is, like leaving at home,

1365
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: see where you can come up with on your own.

1366
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: You've got the skills to do it. Trust that it

1367
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like wait to see on the TV. Well,

1368
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: trust that you can use your woods from ship skills.

1369
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: You know. In addition to us giving big Bucks too

1370
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: much credit, I think a lot of people don't give

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: themselves enough credit, like especially you know, I was explaining

1372
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: to this to my little girls the other day, you know,

1373
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 1: because they had a bad turkey season. They both killed turkeys,

1374
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: but they missed more turkeys in two sits than I've

1375
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: ever seen in like twenty seven years of turkey. I mean,

1376
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, guys, like we were we

1377
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: were out of bullet it was anyway, it was, it

1378
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: was melted down. I was like, these are my kids.

1379
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: We don't need to do a paternity test because they

1380
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: freaking turkey fever to the nth degree. Anyway. So now

1381
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: they're thinking about deer season, and I'm like, last year,

1382
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: you guys shot at three deer and you killed them

1383
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: all and two really good shots, one bad shot that

1384
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: worked out really well for us. And I was like,

1385
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: you just you got to understand that this takes time

1386
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: to get comfortable and you'll get to a point eventually.

1387
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, their tents, so it'll be a while, but

1388
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm lying to them, but I'm like, you'll get to

1389
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: a point where you like, you know, I put those

1390
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: cross hairs on behind the shoulder, or I put that

1391
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: beat on that turkey's neck, and you'll just know it's over,

1392
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: Like you'll know what you have to do. There won't

1393
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: be this anxiety. But it takes a while to get there,

1394
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: and it's it takes a while for everybody to get

1395
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: to those those places and when you start getting to

1396
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: like some of that stuff happens, it's like it feels

1397
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,480
Speaker 1: so good because you're like, man, I got the confidence

1398
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: to you know, like the first time you go and

1399
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: kill a big one in public land, it's like, holy shit,

1400
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: Like this is all of a sudden, it opens up

1401
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: a world to you where now instead of that thing

1402
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: being like a negative or like something that you wouldn't

1403
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: really use in your arsenal, now you're like every chunk

1404
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: of public is potentially a hunting spot for me. Yeah,

1405
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: And that's an enormous advantage to believe that, to not

1406
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: look at it as a negative like it's over hunted

1407
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: or whatever, but to be like, if this place doesn't

1408
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: work for me, there's five other acres to figure this

1409
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: stuff out. Then you're then you're on a path to

1410
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: something that's like you're gonna get better because that's why

1411
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: you're just got lit. Yeah. And I just think that,

1412
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: like one thing that I battle with all the time

1413
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: with creating hunting content is that at the end of

1414
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: the day, I guess the end of every piece of content,

1415
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I just want to put disclaimer, like all this is

1416
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: based off of our experiences. You go get your own

1417
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: like go get your own experience. That's that's what you

1418
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: just have to do to to And like I listen

1419
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: to tons of people talk about hunting too, So just

1420
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: like anybody else listening to this podcast or watching hunting

1421
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: video or whatever, I do the same thing. Don't get

1422
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: me wrong, Like I do the same thing. I'm watching

1423
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: other people. I'm listening to what Johnny Berhard has to say,

1424
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Dan and Falder, Andy May or whatever

1425
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: I am. I'm trying to do exactly what those guys do,

1426
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: making your own style and understanding your hunting areas. You know,

1427
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: maybe that's you know, just one county in one state.

1428
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a couple of counties and one state. Maybe

1429
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: that's a couple of states, maybe it's a couple of species,

1430
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: whatever it is, just start chipping away and the only

1431
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: thing that's going to make you learn is just getting

1432
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: that experience. And like, you know, we sit here and

1433
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: we say you and I sit here and we say

1434
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: that we give big bucks too much credit. But the

1435
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: only reason that we are able to say that is

1436
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: because we've put a lot of time into hunting them

1437
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: and we've got the experience to say, like, hey, you know,

1438
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: when you really break down those situations, we're probably giving

1439
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: them a little bit too much credit. And I think that,

1440
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, just try and different stuff, taken little snippets

1441
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: from um what other people are doing, and then not

1442
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: being afraid of failure is just so important, and like

1443
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: maybe what you feel like you're doing is something you've

1444
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: never seen before, And to be completely honest, that's probably true.

1445
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: Like when I set my bow behind me that spot,

1446
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: I've still do this net. They never seen anybody hunt

1447
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: with a bow in that type of a setup, but

1448
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: it worked perfectly. The but literally was as close as

1449
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: you could get. You know, it's just like he was.

1450
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: He could almost reaped down and touch him. And that

1451
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: was the most oddball set up that you could ever

1452
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: draw up compared to what most people do in those situations.

1453
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: Not to say that they're wrong, but what works for

1454
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: me might not work for them, based off of style,

1455
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: based off of influence, based off of amow time to

1456
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: go hunting. I mean again back to that, everybody's got

1457
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: a different situation. It's just find what works for you

1458
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: and have confidence in it, and then don't be afraid

1459
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: to fail, Like, go have fun failing well and you

1460
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: said something there that's a really really good point that

1461
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: we should talk about just a little bit here. Is

1462
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: you're right, like we're talking about people, you know, people

1463
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: giving big bucks too much credit because we've gone through

1464
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 1: the stages of like what that made me think of

1465
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: is when I started hunting, I gave all the deer

1466
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: too much credit and I couldn't freaking kill one. And

1467
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: then when I finally started killing a few funds and

1468
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: does it was like if it had antlers, I gave

1469
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: it too much credit. Yeah, like if spikes on up, buddy,

1470
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: like one points on up. And I went through that,

1471
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: and like eventually you get to the point where you're like, okay,

1472
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: like I gotta kill some big ones because you know

1473
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: the one and I asked in the two year olds,

1474
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: they're they're coming. I'm getting them now. And so you

1475
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: go through these stages where you're like, okay, now this

1476
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 1: is the like the insurmountable level, like the three and

1477
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: a half year old on up, and then you break

1478
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: through that you realize no, it's not. And like then

1479
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: you break through and go not only is it not

1480
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: on public land or private land, it's also not on

1481
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: public So you go through stages. So a good thing

1482
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: to tell people is, you know, one of the most

1483
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: dangerous things you can do and this stuff is jump

1484
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: the line and become you know, like that trophy hunter

1485
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: before you've got enough of those other hunts in your

1486
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: real view mirror to get there. Because that's probably one

1487
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: of the biggest reasons people give them too much credit

1488
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: is they're just not ready for them yet, Like you haven't,

1489
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: you haven't worked your way up the ladder, and that

1490
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: that might be the biggest problem with social media and

1491
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: the content we produce is we show cameras. Absolutely we

1492
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: show too much of the end product of you know,

1493
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: decades of of hunting hard and having a lot of

1494
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: advantages that other people don't have. And it it gives

1495
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: a skewed view of this world, like are not seeing

1496
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: us when we were fourteen and we couldn't kill anything

1497
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 1: exactly like that, You're seeing more of a finished product

1498
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: now than you would for you know, the first twenty years,

1499
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: and it that's a big deal. Yeah, And I just

1500
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: I just oftentimes think, because I know that I do it,

1501
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: I oftentimes think of like, you know, if I ever

1502
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: read the comment or question or something that says like, hey,

1503
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm seeing this amount of sign what should

1504
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: I do? Should I I've seen this year, this year

1505
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: and this year, what should I do? It's like I

1506
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 1: imagine that situation being very similar to all the times

1507
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: that I do the same thing right where it's like

1508
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: what should I do right here? And it's like the

1509
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: only answer that is wrong is to do nothing, to

1510
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: like stall out and just not make a decision. And

1511
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: sometimes I do that too. And that's the thing where

1512
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: you talk about like you always see the good, but

1513
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: there's so many days, like a hell of a lot

1514
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: of days that we go hunting and things don't work

1515
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: out the way that we want. And the worst two

1516
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: things you can do is stall out and not make

1517
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: a decision and to let your confidence get messed up

1518
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: because of a little bit of failure, I guess, or

1519
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of like just unanswered questions. I guess.

1520
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: That's the thing that happens all the time in bell hunting,

1521
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: especially in areas or or deer hunting in general, but

1522
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: like especially in areas with like low visibility or low

1523
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: deer densities, it's so easy to just be like, Okay,

1524
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: there's a scrape here, you know, I set up on it.

1525
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: He nothing came in for five hours, So what does

1526
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: that even mean? Like do I sit there tomorrow? He's like,

1527
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, it's like if that was

1528
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: your experience, I don't know what what do I do

1529
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: in that situation? It's still I can't tell you because

1530
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: it's like I don't even know that I would have

1531
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: an answer for it if I was in that moment

1532
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: right off the gate. Either. It's like it's just about

1533
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: going and trying and just trying and trying, and so

1534
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: it's just seems so ridiculous to say it. But there's

1535
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: no there's no easy answer. I mean, there is an

1536
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: easier answer. There's you know, by your own place and

1537
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: and you know, control all the factors and buy a

1538
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: bunch of land that nobody else can go on, and

1539
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: that's going to make things easier. But like that's probably

1540
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: not realistic to you. You know, yeah, that's not that's

1541
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: not for everyone. I think one of the one of

1542
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: the main points there that's like so so worth acknowledging

1543
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: is just not riding a dead program, like understanding when

1544
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: you're in one and how to get out, and you know,

1545
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 1: like because a lot of people have a high tolerance

1546
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: for a dead program on on off chance they're coming,

1547
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, And I was like I I

1548
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: used the rut as an example, right, Like if the

1549
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: rut was the answer to all your problems, we would

1550
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: have a hundred percent success rate for hunters in Iowa

1551
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: with archery tags because you got the entire month of November,

1552
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: and if that was all it took, then you would

1553
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: see a hundred percent. And you don't. You don't even

1554
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: seem close to that. It's like want o every filling

1555
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: their tag? And I always look at that and I go,

1556
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: this happens to everyone everywhere, Like where you get into

1557
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: something and you're like I think this should be going

1558
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: and it's not. And so instead of talking yourself into

1559
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: just stay in there because it's like it's easy because

1560
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: like they're gonna come, go find what they're doing. And

1561
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, you know, Like we try to justify

1562
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: why it's a dead program. Now it's like, well it

1563
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: must be too hot, or it must be too windy,

1564
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: it must be too cold, or must be the ruts

1565
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: not popping off or whatever. It's like it doesn't matter,

1566
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't like, it doesn't matter why my wife's

1567
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: mad at me. I'm gonna have a bad night, you

1568
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, whatever I did, she's gonna

1569
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: punish me for. Like it doesn't at that point, it's irrelevant,

1570
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: and I gotta deal with what I gotta deal with,

1571
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, like if if the deer aren't there, even

1572
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: if the signs there, Like if you sit there and

1573
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: it's the conditions are right, and you feel like you

1574
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: didn't make a bunch of mistakes, and let's say you

1575
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: get a morning in an evening there and it does

1576
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: not happening, Like, man, I don't know, it's time to

1577
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: acknowledge it and and move on. Yeah, I think it's

1578
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: easy to say that what if, and like it's easy

1579
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: to get stalled out. And I just think that that's

1580
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 1: such a it's such a like I feel so free

1581
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: because I haven't had it for so long. But I

1582
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: do know what it feels like. I do know what

1583
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: being stuck and stalled out and being like only confident

1584
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: in this one thing, it feels like I always think

1585
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: back the season. It was the last year that I

1586
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: hunted from tree stands. Mostly it was the last deer

1587
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: I shot from a tree stand. No, that's not true.

1588
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: I guess in seventeen I did. But even that I

1589
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: shot that back out of a tree stand. But the

1590
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: hunt hunt was so it was so different. It was

1591
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: a bump and dump, like straight up did a deer

1592
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: drive to see what would come out, saw him, shot him,

1593
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: that's it. Saw him come out, shot him a couple

1594
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: of days later in that same betting area, so you know,

1595
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: don't get him too much credit. He came back. So

1596
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: that was one of the examples of the bumps. With

1597
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: the last buck that I shot out of the tree stand.

1598
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: Prior to that was rut hunting. Go find the spot

1599
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: that was going to be on some edge down wind

1600
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: of the bedding area and just sit there and like

1601
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: that was so it was so crazy because there's this

1602
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: part of you that's like, I gotta do something different,

1603
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: But then there's this other part of you that's like, well,

1604
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: this has always worked, and yeah, it always has worked,

1605
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: and at some point it probably will work if you

1606
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: got the days for it. But is that really what

1607
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: you want? Is that what you want to just sit

1608
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: there and hope and wait, because like you might take

1609
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: a hunt that might have taken five or six days

1610
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: to get that opportunity. You might just shrink it down

1611
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: to like two or three maybe maybe not too But

1612
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: if it's already not working, or it's already not working

1613
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: at the you know paste that you wanted to, why

1614
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: not just get out and try something different? Like man,

1615
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: every single time, every single time that that happened, That's

1616
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: what I mean. Really, these like most of these bucks

1617
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: in here are the ones that are the ones I've

1618
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: shot in the last five years or so, and it's

1619
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: just like every one of them was just something different.

1620
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Was like not just the same old day not doing

1621
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. It wasn't hardly ever, like doing the

1622
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: same thing for four days finally paid off. Never like never,

1623
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: It's always like, you know what, let's go try this

1624
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: totally be different piece of pub plan. Let's go try

1625
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: to do a wind bump. Let's go try to you know,

1626
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: bump a buff or you know, let's go find a

1627
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: buff better with the dough or something. I mean, whatever

1628
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: it is, it's just like, let's just do something different.

1629
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: Every time I've made those moves, it ends up being

1630
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: something that generally tips me off at the bare minimum,

1631
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, But I think about the same thing, Like

1632
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: most of my public land kills have just been a

1633
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: what if situation or like or like I just get

1634
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: curious about an area, like what why are they here

1635
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: or there? Or like why don't I ever go to

1636
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: this spot? Or does anybody hunt here? Or why like

1637
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: why aren't they here? And then you just go like

1638
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: I gotta see something different, like I gotta I just

1639
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: have to go look at something. And Elk is like

1640
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: a prime example of that. Like, man, if you hunt

1641
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: like the last week of the Colorado season and you're

1642
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: over the counter unit, you just have to be like

1643
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: like what if, Like what if those bulls just like

1644
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: hold up here below the trail in this black timber

1645
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: hell hole and you know they're not making a bunch

1646
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: of noise, but they're concentrated there. Or you look at

1647
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: a map and you look at the you know, trailhead here,

1648
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: trailhead here, and this loops around here and there's this

1649
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: one little basin, like what if they're there? And you

1650
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: know you walk into them sometimes, especially like you know,

1651
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: when you talk about the scouting, you're like that's my spot,

1652
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: that's my spot, and that's my spot, and you walk

1653
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: into two out of every three year, like it's not

1654
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: my spot, but one of them or when you're walking

1655
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: from one to the next one, you're like, holy sh it,

1656
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: this is my spot. Like I just just by asking

1657
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: the question what if? And I think that's like I

1658
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: think there's like so much value there and I think

1659
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: people probably listen to this and they go, well, yeah,

1660
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: if you're on public land or you're on an elk hunt,

1661
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: And man, I started doing that on the private spots.

1662
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: I have to hunt everywhere, even little like thirty acre

1663
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 1: private land spots, like just like are they ever in

1664
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: that will thicket there? Like is there a way to

1665
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: set up on the ground there? And then you go

1666
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: in there and you're like, there's more to your here

1667
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: than I think on the rest of the thirty acre

1668
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like you have those moments and

1669
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: you go, okay, now I question everything. Yeah, well, I

1670
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: often get the question like when you're going into a spot,

1671
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: you know, what is it that you see that makes

1672
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: you feel confident or whatever? And I mean I asked

1673
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: myself that on time too, and like I don't really

1674
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: even know, and I wish I could. I wish I

1675
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: had a better way of explaining this. I still haven't

1676
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: nailed it down, but it's like, just go at a

1677
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:57,480
Speaker 1: speed at which you feel pretty confident that you're balancing,

1678
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: covering ground and looking for the year, looking for a sign,

1679
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and just start going off the trail, just get away

1680
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: from where the people are and just start trying and

1681
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: just start covering around. And like so many people just

1682
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: again have that locked into their head or there's just

1683
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: so many times where we all of us, myself included,

1684
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: get in our head like, oh, we don't want to

1685
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: bump a deer out of here. What if he is

1686
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 1: over there and we bumped it. You're not really gonna

1687
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: learn anything if you don't, especially if you set up

1688
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: on something that you don't feel totally confident, you don't

1689
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: see him, and then you keep moving. It's like maybe

1690
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: he was just a little bit further, maybe that maybe

1691
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: what you needed to figure out was just a little

1692
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: bit further, and like it's just you break away, Like

1693
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 1: it's like just take whatever weights on your shoulders and

1694
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: just get rid of it and just go hunt like

1695
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: you don't have like you care none because you shouldn't.

1696
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: And I honestly think man of people, like just again,

1697
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 1: stop giving bucks how much credit and just start hunting

1698
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: where the sign is. Just play it loose. We always

1699
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: have this joke like, hey, we'll play it loose. Keep

1700
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: it loose, man, because like as soon as you start

1701
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: overthinking of which is a terrible habit of mine. Like

1702
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: I'm saying this, like keep in mind the day is

1703
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: that you don't see on video. A lot of days

1704
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: with me just like thinking about it too much, and

1705
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: I sit there and I'm like stressing out and I'm

1706
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: worried about stuff, and it's like the days that it

1707
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 1: works out of the days that were like no, let's

1708
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: just walk in here and see what happens. Or like

1709
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: I shot a buck in North Dakota a couple of

1710
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,759
Speaker 1: years ago, and the progression of that was we found

1711
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: the spot with with some white tails. We saw a

1712
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: nice bucks, a handful of small bugs. The next morning,

1713
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: went back, did not see the big buck. You know,

1714
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, is this rarely really where we're

1715
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: going to get the opportunity that we want where you know,

1716
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: we can you know, hang with one until he beds

1717
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: down and stalk him, and it's like this just doesn't

1718
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: it like it could happen, But he's probably in a

1719
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: bed in timber where we can't see him, and that

1720
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: apparent apparently was what he had done that morning, because

1721
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: we didn't see him. So we just said, you know,

1722
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: let's just walk the whatever. It was like two and

1723
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: a half miles back to this other spot, get to

1724
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 1: a high point where we can glass, and we started

1725
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 1: seeing some bucks. It's like, okay, so that's stage one

1726
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: of this story. Stage one is we see this little

1727
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: group of bucks eight points in there in velvet that

1728
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: I would have shot. Then there was another buck with

1729
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: like a funky antler and he was shedding his velvet

1730
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: and he was kind of bullying the other bucks around.

1731
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: But the eight point in velvet was a buck. I'm like,

1732
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for him, and he actually made a

1733
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: move on him the first night, didn't end up getting him,

1734
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: didn't ever even see him once we got down in

1735
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: the zone that he was in. But the next morning

1736
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: it was like, we're going to stand in here if

1737
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: you come back, so again, we'll get back to that

1738
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: point where we're blast him. We see him and his

1739
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: buddies the next morning, sure enough, and they they go

1740
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: into a betting area thicket and kind of lose track

1741
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 1: of them. No, they're like, no, they're in this tiny

1742
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: little area but don't know exactly where his body is

1743
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: on the ground. I get to thinking of myself, you know,

1744
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: what the hell with us? I'm bored, Like I'm so

1745
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: tired of sitting here, and I been doing it now

1746
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: for like what feels like two days. So it's been

1747
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: like an afternoon a couple of hours, and then a

1748
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: couple of hours in the morning. But for me to

1749
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: sit in once by that long too long. So I

1750
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: just start walking down the ridge and I've got, i think,

1751
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: just my buy nose maybe out of spawning to go.

1752
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: But I'm just walking down the top and I'm like,

1753
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: obviously I'm like hiding behind the terrain, but I'm going

1754
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: and peeking over and I get all the way to

1755
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the end of this ridge where it starts to play

1756
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: out into the river, and I'm like, like, this feels weird,

1757
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm somewhere where I should, you know,

1758
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: like big bucklets down here. And I just as soon

1759
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: as I started to get that feeling, I jumped some

1760
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: prong horn, which was abnormal, like they're tucked in this

1761
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: really weird spot where nobody had ever bumped him, and

1762
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: I was like that also tipped me off to like

1763
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: some something you eat here, because it's not like we've

1764
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: been seeing these things everywhere. And I went and peeked

1765
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: over the other side, and that's when I saw this

1766
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: big eight pointer and he's standing there feeding completely by himself.

1767
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 1: Now I tell that story to just say like I

1768
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even explain to you the carelessness that I have

1769
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: walking over there, And not to say that in the

1770
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: negative way, I mean that in a good wayne. Well,

1771
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: but what was gonna go wrong? Like those bucks that

1772
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: had betted and I couldn't see they weren't gonna spook.

1773
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I get a different angle on them, I

1774
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: get eyes on them, or I see this bigger buck

1775
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: and end up killing that one. And that's exactly what happened.

1776
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Is I moved down there. Had I not moved down there,

1777
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: I mean not seeing that deer for you know ever.

1778
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: And it's just it's so funny to like get so

1779
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: locked into the same old, same old, And I mean

1780
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. On the flip side.

1781
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell one quick story. Hold on, hold on one second.

1782
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's the buck that you could have

1783
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: waved at me across that river. By the way, when

1784
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: you when you killed him. We heard you guys celebrating. Really. Yeah.

1785
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: When I went to get my buck that I shot,

1786
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: I could wave that one of your cameraman up on

1787
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: the hillside. Are you serious? I didn't know that. No, Joe,

1788
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 1: my buddy was actually uh piece and out of meal

1789
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: there across the river when you guys were cheering about

1790
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: your buck. Are you serious? Yeah? And I was like, hey,

1791
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: can you guys pan that camera down and not show

1792
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: these landmarks? Yeah? I tried. I tried on the on

1793
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: the video when I saw that, because I was like,

1794
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 1: no freaking way. I think you can see me glassing

1795
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,919
Speaker 1: at one of your videos. I remember seeing other hunters,

1796
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: so I probably saw you. Yeah. I definitely saw other

1797
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: hunters when I was up on that ridge. Yeah, it's hilarious.

1798
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: One of them was mere one of them, I think

1799
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: about it. I do remember Minnesota plate because you have

1800
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Minnesota plates. Yeah, so that that was a while hunt

1801
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: because it was covered in people. It was an opener hunt.

1802
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: I went out. I think I killed on the second

1803
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: day of the season. I can't remember, because you killed

1804
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: that was on the third day. Yeah, you killed the

1805
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: morning that I was tracking my buck. I think, Um,

1806
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: but I I shoulder shot a velvet buck out there

1807
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: and got like no penetration, and I was like, son

1808
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: of a bitch, like this is this is not going

1809
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: to work out well. But you know how it is

1810
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: out there. I went out the next morning and my

1811
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: buddy killed up the river. My other buddy killed down

1812
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 1: the river, and I was glassen just to see before

1813
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I went to spot and stock that dear because I

1814
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: or to blood trail, I'm sorry, And I saw a

1815
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: freaking coyote like six hundred yards away run over to

1816
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: something and drop his head down, and I'm like, no way.

1817
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: And I just watched the first kyote find my buck,

1818
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: and I walked out there and he was laying there dead,

1819
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and you guys were up on the freaking hill. That's hilarious. Yeah,

1820
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: that's so funny. I didn't even know that. I didn't

1821
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: never know that that was true. Yeah, that's so hilarious. Yeah,

1822
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: we got a little excited about that one. Yeah, you probably. Yeah,

1823
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I can imagine the screams were heard from a while

1824
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: aways away. The quality out there, I mean, it's different now.

1825
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: You know when I when I first started hunting, that

1826
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: s about the first time I found it. That was

1827
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: there was there were like fifteen bucks that were visible there.

1828
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: They were all shooters, like like unreal, and it's not

1829
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: the same that the secrets out. But even then, now

1830
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: now I've seen it switch where you know, they used

1831
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: to be so visible, now they're not, but they're there.

1832
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: So instead of just like glassing wide open stuff and

1833
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: what they you know, like they go walk along the

1834
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: river and they fight, Like Nope, now you see these

1835
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: little pockets of timber and you see them like working

1836
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: the edge and browsing and like you see this the

1837
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: behavior is different, but they're still there. So it's like,

1838
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, like the tactic that you had when it

1839
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: was easy not so much anymore, but they're still in play.

1840
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: You just gotta figure out like now now they're like

1841
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: there's too many freaking dudes on this river bottom. Yeah.

1842
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: When I when we were there, it was pretty overwhelming

1843
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: with the amount of people. And so that's an important

1844
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 1: part of that that whole experience for me too. It's

1845
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: like it was like everywhere we went, it was like

1846
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: we're seeing these people. And then when we saw a

1847
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: big buck finally one of the nights, and then we

1848
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: decided to bail from that spot. That was a hard

1849
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: That was a hard decision to make because we had

1850
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: seen a nice funny they didn't end up being as

1851
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: big as the one I ended up getting lucky enough

1852
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: to get eyes on. But it was like to pull

1853
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: away from one that you knew was like a no brainer,

1854
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: like that's a that's a bucket I would commit some

1855
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: days too. And that's another thing. I mean, I think

1856
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I feel like as as I've

1857
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: got more experience, I've gotten more interested into a little bit.

1858
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: Is like if I do start to find that and

1859
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 1: it and it depends certain situations are different, but it's

1860
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: like if you start to see like a tendency where like, oh,

1861
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see these bigger bucks, that's when I

1862
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: will start holding out a little bit more. I wouldn't

1863
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: say that I and that can be that can be

1864
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: super like a very bad decision in some situations too,

1865
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: because it's easy to be like, you know, this is

1866
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: the standard that I'm going for him, and all of

1867
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've spent way too much time trying to

1868
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:26,440
Speaker 1: find that and that that that's hard too, But um,

1869
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: but I have had I've had had a lot of

1870
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: fun and had learned a lot of things. Actually this

1871
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: is completely this is a mule deer hunting. But I

1872
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: hunted the same buck, which is the first time I've

1873
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: ever done that. I hunted the same buck for like

1874
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: seven days in New Mexico last year, and it was

1875
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: like one of the most fun most memorable experience, definitely

1876
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable experiences that I've ever had

1877
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: without shooting a deer. And that was like just because

1878
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch how and now it's invisible

1879
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: because it's ration where you get a lot of visibility,

1880
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: but just watching how he was hiding from other hunters

1881
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: because he picked up on the patterns of what everybody

1882
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: else was doing, it was it really helped for white

1883
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: tail hunting too, because it's just like man like sometimes

1884
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: it right under your nose. Like one of the times

1885
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: that we lost him for a couple of days, he

1886
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 1: was actually just tucked right up against the road in

1887
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 1: this little valley and it's just like had had we

1888
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: kept and that's there's another thing. It's like that's a

1889
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: situation where you keep doing the same thing. And we

1890
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: had lost him for like a day day and a half,

1891
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: maybe two, maybe almost two days, we decided to go

1892
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: in a different route, hit a different angle, and it's

1893
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: like there is land right up in a spot where

1894
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: nobody could see him. And it's just like, had we

1895
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: never made that change, had we kept going to our

1896
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: same glassing spot, we would have never found him again.

1897
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 1: And it's just so funny how change makes such a

1898
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: big difference. You know. It's amazing how often when you

1899
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: leave the road or the access from a way that

1900
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: people usually don't what you run into mild A prime

1901
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: example of that because is people want to glass them

1902
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: from their truck if they if they can, you know,

1903
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: and those deer figure that out so quickly, and so

1904
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: instead of being seven miles in a lot of times

1905
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: there's three yards in and just over the hill and

1906
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: not in the night. Yeah, not a nice basin that

1907
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: you can glass. They do it all the time. I've

1908
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: never seen anything so consistent, like everywhere I go, this

1909
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: is something else that I try to do, and it

1910
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 1: kind of helps with that, like find the thick spot

1911
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: and go to it, and it's like what's everybody else doing?

1912
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Like where are these parking areas? Where is the you

1913
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: know where? Where how are people accessing? And how are

1914
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 1: people mostly hunting and then how can I do something different? Well,

1915
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: this situation was easy. We were hiking to the top

1916
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: of the mountain every morning and glass and from the top,

1917
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 1: and every single hunter that we saw was driving and

1918
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: glassing from the road. And it's like like you can

1919
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: easily take one look at the map and say, well,

1920
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I can't see like at least fifty bare minimum of

1921
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: this whole range being at the bottom. And it's just

1922
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,440
Speaker 1: so crazy, like how you can look at that tendency

1923
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: and use that to your advantage, and like that can

1924
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: be done anywhere. And I said, I definitely notice it

1925
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: in elk hunting. Turkey hunting probably the most where you

1926
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: can easily find a trend, like are people calling a

1927
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: budge maybe with turkeys, maybe without the same thing? Am

1928
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I hearing a bunch of bugles? Or am I hearing

1929
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys pull up and you know, crack

1930
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: on a call, roll out a box caller, crystal call.

1931
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: It's like that's the case. Maybe I tone it back

1932
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I feel like just finding that

1933
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: tendency doing something different is is just something I always

1934
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: like to try to keep in the back of my

1935
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: mind too, because it's really helped especially in situations like that.

1936
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: I didn't kill the buff. I blew both stocks that

1937
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: I made that I got closed, but heart breaking. But

1938
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: that's that's what happens mostly when you spot in stock

1939
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: meal deer. Two quick questions before we wrapped us up.

1940
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: The first one just what's what's the hardest state you've

1941
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: ever hunted? What's the one where you're like, man, the

1942
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: white tails in this state kick my ass. I mean,

1943
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: I hate to say that because then people get a

1944
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder. Um say it. Anyway. The one

1945
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: that the one that we struggled with the most was

1946
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: that Georgia plant that I was I don't remember says before.

1947
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: We've been talking along enough time that I can't remember

1948
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: if that was on here or not. But I was

1949
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: with my friend Keith and we're hunting and Georgia and

1950
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: we just struggled and we eventually got on them, but

1951
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: it was just a struggle on. With that being said,

1952
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I think that I've had a hard time in any East,

1953
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: Like you just run down the line of Appalachian mountains,

1954
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: any state that's touching those, I've had. I've had big

1955
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: timber Eastern big timber is with hills or mountains, whatever

1956
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,879
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. That is where I've I truly

1957
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: enjoy it though like I probably like it and I'm

1958
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 1: was drawn to it is anywhere just because I do

1959
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: know it's going to kick my ass and I I

1960
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: feel like physically I'm capable, but mentally I'm not there.

1961
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: And that's what I like. It's like I can go

1962
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: run around on the mountains and have a blast, get

1963
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: hell of a workout every time, but then also just

1964
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: like challenging myself and when I get done with those

1965
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: hunts that the mental part of it is like tough.

1966
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Your brain is like fried. So I'd say anywhere eastern

1967
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian Mountains or anything that's foothill touching it.

1968
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all that's all tough stuff, which I

1969
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: love it. What last question, what's the dumbest thing you've

1970
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: seen a big buck do that wasn't an Iowa buck?

1971
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Which one where you just killed one and you're like,

1972
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: I cannot believe he just did that. Okay, there's there's

1973
01:38:52,960 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be something good here. Um, shoot, what is

1974
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing? I think? To look at your wall

1975
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: of inspiration? Just different, just different, But one I mean,

1976
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: there's been there's been some. The bumping ones are always

1977
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: interesting to me, but I understand why they do it.

1978
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: Um the one Okay, here's one. And I don't not

1979
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: to like make this buck out to be a fool,

1980
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: because I don't think he was. But in in New York,

1981
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: this buck had a dope pinned to the road or

1982
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, pinned to a fence line, and the road

1983
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,719
Speaker 1: was really close. We saw him from the road. He's

1984
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 1: with this dough, big punk too, like by far the

1985
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: biggest thing we had seen in the whole area, like

1986
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: for days, this base six. I think up to this

1987
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: point we had seen, you know, just a basket rack buck.

1988
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: So we see this thing with a dough and he's

1989
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: defending another buck and his position based off where he

1990
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: was in relation to that paved road. It's like it

1991
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: made sense, but only when they were betted, because as

1992
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: soon as he stand up, he was in the wide open.

1993
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: So he made he made that decision, which wasn't really

1994
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: the end of the world, because, like I said, once

1995
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: they betted down, you couldn't see him. But we started

1996
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: I lost track of them because they betted down, climbed

1997
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: a tree, got eyes on him again when he stood

1998
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: up and actually bred the dough, and then I got

1999
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: down and started to make a stock on him, and

2000
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 1: when he when he okay, So this is this is

2001
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: where it gets kind of interesting and where he made

2002
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: some bad decisions and I made some good decision that

2003
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: just worked out. I was watching Dylan who was filming,

2004
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: and he was up in that tree that I had

2005
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: spotted him from. So he's off to my left, the

2006
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: bucks kind of straight in front of me, and I'm

2007
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: going down the timber or it wasn't at timber edge.

2008
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: It was like a fence row edge. On the other

2009
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: side of it was the private The public land line

2010
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 1: was this fence row. So I'm kind of walking right down,

2011
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, my side of the fence on the public

2012
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: The wind is coming from that fence line to my left,

2013
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: and the sun is setting over that fence row as well,

2014
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: so shadows. And he stands up with that dough. I

2015
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 1: realized this my opportunity to start cutting distance fast because

2016
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I can see his antlers, and as I make in

2017
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: my moods, he's all of a sudden, I didn't realize

2018
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 1: what it was at the time, but he starts running

2019
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: towards me like just bounding like afraid, like something spook him. Well,

2020
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: a vehicle had driven past alerted him, and he takes

2021
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: off running towards me. Well, as he's doing that, I

2022
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: had enough time, and I had a spot picked out

2023
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: in the shadows that I just went right for that.

2024
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: Tucked down in there, got low crouch and covered my

2025
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: eyes and my face with my bow cam. And this

2026
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: is where he made a pretty where he let the

2027
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: dog get the best of them. He started thinking he

2028
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: knew that there was something wrong there, but he didn't

2029
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: know what it was, and because he never saw me move,

2030
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 1: he just started to eventually let it go, and he

2031
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: eventually started looking back at that dough. He started to

2032
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 1: circle down wind of either me or the dough, I'm

2033
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 1: not sure, because either way, he was putting the wind

2034
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: in his butt and he was starting to make a

2035
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: move out into that tall grass and he and he

2036
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 1: eventually just kept looking towards that dough, and I let

2037
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: him do it enough to where he started to really

2038
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: trust me. And then I drew somewhere in between. And

2039
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: when he looked the last time, I literally stood up

2040
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: and I could have been standing in the you know,

2041
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 1: wide open on the fairway. It's like he could have

2042
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: saw me so easily, and I just stood up and

2043
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: shot him at twenty yards and he just looked was

2044
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: looking the other way, and like that. That was the

2045
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: dumbest That was the dumbest thing. But like any time

2046
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: you get a big buck with the bed bedded with

2047
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the dough, it doesn't matter if he's an io or

2048
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: if he's in the hardest you know, pressured area in

2049
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: the country. Like he's gonna get foolish, he's gonna let

2050
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: his guard down into me. It's not as much about

2051
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: the buck making that mistake, it's about you taking an

2052
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: advantage of his foolishness. And if you can do that,

2053
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: that's that's when the best time of the year. I

2054
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: mean no, if you can bow hunt and you can

2055
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 1: get eyes on a buck with the dough, that's the

2056
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: best time to hunt in the world. I'd take that

2057
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: day any day of the week. Recognize when they they're

2058
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: just they're not on their a game, all right, Zach.

2059
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: I always love chatting with you, buddy. You know th

2060
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: HP fame. Everybody knows where to find you. Thank you

2061
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: so much for coming on, man, It's always a pleasure. Yeah,

2062
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on. I've had a blast talking.

2063
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune

2064
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,400
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01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: has been Wire to Hunt and I'm your guest host,

2066
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,759
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