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Speaker 1: My name is Evel Longoria and I am MAE Gomez

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Speaker 1: Rajon And welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Hungry for History, a podcast that explores our past and

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Speaker 2: present through food.

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Speaker 1: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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Speaker 1: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages from our culture.

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Speaker 2: So make yourself at home, even broche This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe you and I talk about this

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Speaker 2: all the time, but maybe we just haven't recorded it.

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Speaker 2: I think so. But yeah, today we're talking spices and

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Speaker 2: we're kicking things off with Molley.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say Molley for us is the mother of

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Speaker 2: all sauces. I mean, is it a sauce?

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Speaker 3: It is a sauce. It is a sauce, And I

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Speaker 3: would say that in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Molley is the most complex sauce and the most

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Speaker 1: famous version of Mollet. The Moro has lots of different spaces.

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Speaker 1: So we did an entire episode on salt, and this

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Speaker 1: time we're doing an entire episode on spices.

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Speaker 2: Spices. Now, you know you and I have talked about this.

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Speaker 2: I am not a big fan of Molley. I didn't

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Speaker 2: grow up with it. Did you grow up with Molley? Yes?

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Speaker 3: I did. I did not I did always.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my mom wouldn't make it from scratch, but

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Speaker 1: we would go to the grocery store and Noveloredo and

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Speaker 1: there were the mounds of different types of moles, so

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Speaker 1: she would just buy it by the pound.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of my favorite foods. Like I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Could probably even say final meal would be more. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: my lad, fried plantains and white rice.

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Speaker 2: But mullet what on chicken or chi?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah on chicken, yes, yeah?

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Speaker 2: And is there a certain Molley like because you know

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Speaker 2: there's many mullets, there's many moles.

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Speaker 1: I like the mule Neegro or the Coloraito mole. Those

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Speaker 1: are my favorite moles. But I always go to how

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Speaker 1: Can Market in La and I buy it. And when

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Speaker 1: my mom comes to visit every single time, she's like,

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Speaker 1: we have she has to go buy Molley always. So

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Speaker 1: those are the show that I really like, and I

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Speaker 1: always have the Moley paste if.

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Speaker 2: You go buy Molley. Are all Mulley's created equal?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, This is probably why I don't like it, because

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Speaker 2: I probably had bad Molley growing up and I was like, ew,

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Speaker 2: that's horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes it probably, But you spent so much

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Speaker 1: time in Wohaka. You know, when you were doing searching

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Speaker 1: for Mexico, did you taste amazing Molissa?

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Speaker 2: But let me, I want to be clear that mullet

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Speaker 2: comes from Puebla, right, well yeah, well the the well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean they say Molley comes from Puebla,

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Speaker 2: but that Wahawkan's perfected it. That was. That's the debate.

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Speaker 2: That is, and I don't want to get in the middle.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get in the middle of the debate.

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Speaker 2: But but I just don't want people listening to the

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Speaker 2: podcast going, hey, hey, hey, hey, Molley is not from Wahaka.

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Speaker 1: Well, the most well known molee is, for sure, and

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Speaker 1: that was invented in colonial kitchens of Bueblah for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, but I know I don't think

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing reason why I don't think we had it.

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Speaker 2: My mom's not that great of a cook. I'm the

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Speaker 2: cook in the family. And Mona's hard to make. If

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Speaker 2: you make it, oh, if you make it, it's so laborious,

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Speaker 2: Oh god, so many different ingredients. I mean, what is

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Speaker 2: a minimum twenty six or something like that, like the

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Speaker 2: minimum minim amount of ingredients minimum twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six, thirty like it's just so it's so intensive and

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Speaker 1: add so many different steps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, and they're shitting there that you don't think

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Speaker 2: goes together, you know what I mean. It's like nuts, chocolate, spices, cayenne,

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Speaker 2: you know, a bay leaf, and you're this should not

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Speaker 2: go together, but it does.

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 1: It's this harmonious blend of ingredients from all over the world.

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Speaker 3: It's just I think it's it's magical. It's magical.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to dive in because where where did

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Speaker 2: it originate? It doesn't feel Mexican. I know it's Mexican now,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel like it originated from indigenous Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Well, the word itself, molet comes from the nawel muli,

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Speaker 1: which means sauce, so in that sense, yes, and so

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Speaker 1: in the pre colonial era there would make sauce it

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Speaker 1: it to you know, turkey or sometimes the sauce they

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Speaker 1: would put it on tortillas. But it was much simple.

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Speaker 1: It was much simpler than what we think of mollet today.

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Speaker 1: And so throughout the centuries, you know, post conquest, all

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Speaker 1: of these different ingredients were introduced into Mexico, like spices,

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Speaker 1: is and different types of nuts, and that evolved into

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Speaker 1: the sauce that we're familiar with today. And this evolved

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Speaker 1: in pre colonial you know, convents, but not almo Let's

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Speaker 1: have chocolate, right not Almollyts have a million different ingredients

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Speaker 1: and so it's and spices.

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Speaker 3: So it's just the word morley comes from sauce.

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Speaker 2: And then so when did it become so complicated?

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Speaker 1: So in the seventeenth century, we see we talked about

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Speaker 1: so Inez Elecros in one of our I think on

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Speaker 1: our cookbook episodes, and so she wrote the first recipes

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Speaker 1: in Mexico, and so in the seventeenth century, and she

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Speaker 1: has a recipe for mole which is a mancha manteles,

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Speaker 1: which is a type of molet. It's poat chicken and

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Speaker 1: a sauce made with rehydrated chili, sesame seeds, tomato, onion

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Speaker 1: rais and sweet potatoes, cinnamon, cloves, salt, pepper, and it's

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Speaker 1: served with sliced plantains and pineapples and apples. So, like

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Speaker 1: you say, things that you wouldn't think would go together,

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Speaker 1: but they do. And so this is so interesting because

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Speaker 1: these sauces, they represent this cultural exchange that was happening

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Speaker 1: during this time, which is which I think is just

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Speaker 1: really fascinating. It's kind of like when we did our

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Speaker 1: Food in a Cup episode that when you buy a

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Speaker 1: fruit from the fruit that all of the fruit is

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Speaker 1: from a different part.

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Speaker 3: Of the world.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of like you know Molle the chef and

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Speaker 1: food historian Madicate, but yes, she refers to the America

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Speaker 1: as a lab of innercontinental fusion, right, So it's like

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Speaker 1: all of these ingredients are mixing together.

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Speaker 2: When I was shooting in New Mexico and Albuquerque, the

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Speaker 2: first time I liked Mollet was in Santa Fe. There's

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Speaker 2: a Mexican restaurant there called Sasson, and the chef is

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Speaker 2: from Mexico. I think he's Chilango. I think he's from

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Speaker 2: Mexico City. But he has twelve different moles that's the appetizer,

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Speaker 2: and they come in tiny little bowls like this, and

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Speaker 2: it's like six and six and tiny little tortillas like

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Speaker 2: silver dollar. I don't know if people know what that is,

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Speaker 2: but it's like, you know, a tiny little torfilla, a

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Speaker 2: little staff of tiny corn torpillas and twelve little mullas

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Speaker 2: and the point is to try them. And there's sweet ones,

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Speaker 2: there's green ones, there's dark ones, there's spicy ones there.

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Speaker 2: And that's what really made me go, oh, there's different ones,

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Speaker 2: like I didn't know. I didn't know there was sweet

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Speaker 2: and then there was savory. So I personally liked the

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Speaker 2: green favory one. But you have to go, like, it's

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Speaker 2: worth going to Santa Fe to this restaurant for the

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Speaker 2: twelve different mullets that this guy makes. And in the restaurant,

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Speaker 2: the mural on the wall is all the ingredients. It's

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Speaker 2: just all the ingredients of mullet and it's a big

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Speaker 2: mural and it's beautiful. And he's like, that's molley. Like

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Speaker 2: this restaurant is specializes in molley.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want to go, let's go, Let's go.

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Speaker 2: And that made me go, that's what made me go, oh, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe I might like this. I maybe just haven't

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Speaker 2: had the right molet. Then I went to Wahaka with

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Speaker 2: searching for Mexico and we went to the place of

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Speaker 2: the specialty of Wahaka and he did it with turkey,

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Speaker 2: it with wild.

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Speaker 1: Our original protein. Yeah, that's so interesting. And like you

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Speaker 1: say that that restaurant that has so many different times,

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Speaker 1: I think that the common misconception is that almoleys.

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Speaker 3: Have chocolate, or there's like the one morlet.

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Speaker 1: But there's so many, right, And there's so many different

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Speaker 1: textures and so many different flavors. And there's the one

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Speaker 1: the moleli. Oh yeah, it is not even a sauce.

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Speaker 1: It's like a soup, like a hearty soup. And you

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Speaker 1: told me this because I always thought, oh, Wahaka's famous

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Speaker 1: for seven morles, but it's there's not just seven molas.

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Speaker 1: It's like a marketing thing, right, There's a million different

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Speaker 1: more lis.

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Speaker 2: A million different molives, million different mollets, different different different

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Speaker 2: flavor profiles. So that's why I have always forgave myself

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Speaker 2: for saying I don't really like mollet, because I feel

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Speaker 2: like I had one, you know what I mean, I

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Speaker 2: had one one type of mulley, and I'm like that

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. Yeah, And then I went to

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Speaker 2: Wahaka and I went to Susson, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this I would I would drink I

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Speaker 2: get I get it.

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Speaker 1: You probably had the one that you buy and get

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Speaker 1: that the grocery show, the Dona Maria or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's like, yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. They're not all created equal. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: malle has so many ingredients. There are some ingredients I

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Speaker 2: don't like. I don't like anie, I don't like clovy,

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Speaker 2: clovy mullet, and a lot of money's clovy. Talk about

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Speaker 2: the ingredients because there's so many.

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Speaker 1: There's so many ingredients, and some molts have up to

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Speaker 1: thirty ingredients right from all the world.

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Speaker 3: Cinnamon is from Sri Lanka and it's from.

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Speaker 1: Asia, clothes from Indonesia, Peanuts from the andes, cilantro from

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Mediterranean, bananas from India, s seeds from Africa.

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Speaker 3: And that's only just a few of the ingredients.

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Speaker 1: So all of these ingredients from the different continents, they

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Speaker 1: meet native tomatoes and chilis and pumpkin seeds and the

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Speaker 1: toasted you know, dorothiya, and so all of this is

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Speaker 1: blended together and cooked and lard that arrived from European pigs, right,

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Speaker 1: so so, but I think that the really good mole

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Speaker 1: is all of these flavors are balanced. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like an Indian food, that the food flavors are balance

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Speaker 1: because I don't love cuman, but I oh, I love

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Speaker 1: you do, right, I don't love love. Yeah, molet has cuman,

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Speaker 1: but you don't taste it. Right, So if it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think a really good cook a really good molet,

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Speaker 1: not one flavor stands out and everything just compliments each

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Speaker 1: other really beautifully.

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Speaker 2: When we come back. How long do spices last in

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Speaker 2: our pantry? I've always wanted to know that because I

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Speaker 2: feel like spices spire that's after the break.

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Speaker 3: So, Eva, what are your favorite spices to cook one?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is grab. I love this question.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you are genuinely interested.

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Speaker 3: I am totally I want to know, you know what.

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Speaker 2: During COVID, I did a video organizing my spice rack,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was the most exciting. Big Remember

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Speaker 2: I think every bore like, yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: I often organize my spice rack too.

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Speaker 4: I love to see what I have SMA, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I organize like the sweet like you know, baking, like

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Speaker 1: So Eva, let's talk about some of the most popular spices.

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Speaker 3: Can you guess some of them?

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Speaker 1: All of the ones that we're mentioning, except for clothes.

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Speaker 1: But there the merchants would create these crazy stories just

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Speaker 1: five thousand years. They're both as a mummification ingredient for

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Speaker 1: Egyptian pharaohs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of stories.

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Speaker 2: I know, there's so many cool stories. I remember. I

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Speaker 2: know the story about black pepper being called black gold

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Speaker 2: and it was like the King of spices because it

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Speaker 2: was so widely consumed. Which is so interesting, because I

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Speaker 2: find black pepper to be boring. Really, I find it

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Speaker 2: very I don't use a lot of it. I find

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Speaker 2: it very one note. I'd rather if I want spice

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Speaker 2: like heat in something, I would rather use cayenne, chipotlet,

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Speaker 2: ancho Chile. I mean, black pepper is not my go to,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do use a lot of black pepper for

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Speaker 3: me when I do.

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Speaker 1: If I do cayenne or something like that, it brings

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Speaker 1: a different flavor profile.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I like the mixed pepper corns, the red,

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Speaker 2: the white, the black. Like I like like the mix.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of like black pepper. I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's so one note.

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Speaker 3: So you don't use like salt pepper, you just use

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Speaker 3: salt and.

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Speaker 2: Anything else, salt, garlic, cumi, other stuff. Yeah, I rarely

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Speaker 2: use pepper, rarely use pepper. I covered this a lot

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Speaker 2: in searching for Mexico, but there's so many spices that

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Speaker 2: are that are native to the America is obviously vanilla.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about vanilla chile, which is technically a fruit,

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Speaker 2: but we now use it as as spice. We have

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Speaker 2: a vanilla and a chili episode if you guys want

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Speaker 2: to want to try those out. What I've never used achiote?

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Speaker 2: What do you use that one?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't use it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a fruit, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's a spice. It's a it's a spice.

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Speaker 2: That's Oh, that's right, that's the one from your terrier.

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Speaker 2: That's the almost Yeah, the paste.

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Speaker 3: So I do when I make that, I do use it.

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Speaker 1: I buy the riccatto, but I don't typically have the you.

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Speaker 2: Know whole Well you should because it's an aphrodisiac.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's true. Right now.

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Speaker 2: It's associated with the fertility gods. It is, That's what

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Speaker 2: it was. And then what's all spice? All spice? All

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Speaker 2: spice is native to the America.

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Speaker 1: It is, it is, and it's like a giant it

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Speaker 1: looks like a giant pepper corn. And it's called allspice

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Speaker 1: because it smells like all of the spices. It smells

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Speaker 1: like a combination of pepper and nutmeg and cinnamon and

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Speaker 1: all of it, but it was used in seasoning and

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Speaker 1: also in perfumery. And it grows. Yeah, it grows along

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Speaker 1: the Gulf coast from Veracruz to Yucatan.

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Speaker 3: I love all spice. Well.

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Speaker 2: I hope this episode inspires people to clean out your spices,

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Speaker 2: organize yours zes. I hope this episode inspires people to

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Speaker 2: actually open your palate to new spices. Yeah, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: let's try some try cardiman instead of cinnamon, try the

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Speaker 2: red pepper flake as opposed to black party, Like, try

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Speaker 2: try tomn spices because the history of them is really fascinating. Well,

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Speaker 2: thanks for listening, you guys. I hope this was a

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Speaker 2: fascinating for you as it was for me in my day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening everyone.

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