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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Now. All of you had

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Speaker 1: a fantastic Labor.

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Speaker 2: Day holiday, had a lot of fun, and are ready

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Speaker 2: now for what is going to be and absolutely bonkers, Paul,

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Speaker 2: as we roll into the January fifteenth Iowa Caucuses and

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Speaker 2: officially begin what I would say is campaign season, we

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Speaker 2: are sitting at only four or so months away from

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Speaker 2: the actual beginning of the process in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is officially starting the sprint. January fifteenth is that

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Speaker 2: date in Iowa, and the craziness is getting ratcheted up

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Speaker 2: on the Democrat side as more and more people continue

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Speaker 2: to recognize that Joe Biden is not able to do

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Speaker 2: this job pulling out on that issue. We've got doctor

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Speaker 2: Fauci confronted on Masks on CNN, which should have happened

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Speaker 2: years ago. But I think many of you are going

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Speaker 2: to enjoy it if you haven't already seen it. College

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Speaker 2: football underway. I'm sure Buck's been his entire weekend watching

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Speaker 2: games starting on Thursday all through the weekend, and the

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Speaker 2: NFL is coming back. Buck, the Biden administration planning on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night for the launch of the NFL season, spending

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars to argue that the economy is strong.

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Speaker 2: That is a story from Axios, all of those ads

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Speaker 2: being purchased in toss up states. But well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: did you have a good Labor Day? Anything exciting, anything

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Speaker 2: extraordinary in your world?

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Speaker 1: I wrote a lot about six seven thousand words.

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Speaker 2: I think, oh, that's impress So you've got the book

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Speaker 2: that you're working on that you're supposed to turn in

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Speaker 2: around the end of the year, right, Yeah, so you

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Speaker 2: just buckled down and set and wrote on the book.

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Speaker 1: I did try to give people a little bit of

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Speaker 1: help out there for their Labor Day barbecue, which is

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I've got a couple of maxims

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Speaker 1: for restaurants and food. One is, if you're with a

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Speaker 1: group of people, the answer to should we order some

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Speaker 1: fries for the table, it's always yes. It's very good advice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. The French fries always get eaten, and someone's

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Speaker 1: always like, oh, I don't know, I'm cuto or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Shut up. The French fries are gonna get eaten. It

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Speaker 1: always happens. Another one is, if you're having a barbecue.

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Speaker 1: You're having all this amazing stuff. You got your t bones,

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Speaker 1: your porterhouse, you're uh, you know, your filets. Everything you're

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Speaker 1: throwing on, they're your burgers, Italian sausage, or any kind

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Speaker 1: of hot or sweet sausage. You throw it on there,

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Speaker 1: get a nice char on. You can't go wrong. Overcook it,

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Speaker 1: undercook it, no one cares. Still gonna taste delicious. So

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Speaker 1: that was about as Labor Day weekendy as I god.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, it was, it was head down. I

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Speaker 1: watched some tennis. What what what percentage of this audience

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Speaker 1: you think are are pretty avid tennis fans? I mean

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Speaker 1: that's that is the sports that I watched. That's that

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Speaker 1: sounds about right. I would say that's a sport I

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Speaker 1: watched the most. I play the most and enjoy the most.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Did you see what Aaron Rodgers put out? Did you

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Speaker 2: see his Instagram post?

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Speaker 1: I saw he crossed out moderna on Instagram, Clay, he

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Speaker 1: is my favorite of the football quarterback players. Very good.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is now playing in New York City for

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Speaker 2: the Jets, and he went to watch Novak Djokovic play

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Speaker 2: and on his Instagram account, he canceled out the Maderna logo, which,

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Speaker 2: of course, the amount of advertising that Pfizer and Maderna

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Speaker 2: he wrote instead of Novak novaks, uh and uh, and

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Speaker 2: which is pretty great.

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Speaker 1: And I give credit to Aaron Rodgers for.

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Speaker 2: Continuing to be willing to speak truth on these COVID shots.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get to that in a little bit. But Buck,

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Speaker 2: this is crazy, and this is my favorite thing all weekend.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're going to talk about are we?

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Speaker 2: Are we on the same wavelength here?

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Speaker 1: The fouch? Are you not going?

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Speaker 2: I thought we should save the fouch for the second

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Speaker 1: Am number two in and Clay's mind, he's back everybody.

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Speaker 2: We also have, by the way, speaking of number two,

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Speaker 2: maybe the worst Ling Pooh disaster of all time. I

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Speaker 2: I think I think this is everyone's worst nightmare. We

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Speaker 2: But Buck huge article in today's Walls Street Journal. They

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Speaker 2: their Democrats are going to try to use the fourteenth

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Speaker 2: event that he is the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is important to say.

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Speaker 2: I am not in any way endorsing this, but it

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Speaker 2: is important for.

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Speaker 1: All of you to understand what is coming.

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Speaker 2: And in the same way that Buck and I told

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Speaker 2: you he's going to get indicted in New York City,

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Speaker 2: he's going to get indicted in DC, he's going to

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Speaker 1: That was not a hey, we're rooting for this.

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Speaker 2: It's that you need to prepare yourself for where we

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Speaker 2: the ballot. But you can already see the arguments being made,

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Speaker 2: and now that the indictments are out there, they are

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Speaker 2: They are going to argue Democrats are that's a fourteenth

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Speaker 2: former Confederates, that Donald Trump is ineligible to be president

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Speaker 2: of the United States because he engaged in an insurrection

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Speaker 2: and therefore he is not eligible to be elected president

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Speaker 1: I brought this up a few weeks ago. We've talked

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Speaker 1: early rumblings of it in a way that's I think indicative,

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Speaker 1: just like what Klay said a second ago about look

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Speaker 1: This is coming, folks, They're going to do this. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where exactly. We have some ideas what states

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Speaker 1: these challenges may be brought. Even the people bringing them

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Speaker 1: this about eligibility. I think people have even brought up.

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Speaker 1: you know, won that suit. That did not. But this

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Speaker 1: I do know for sure, I think we all know

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Speaker 1: this for sure is even if they lose on the

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Speaker 1: legal merits, which we could sit here in argument Clay

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Speaker 1: But just even if they lose on the legal merits,

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Speaker 1: this is a simultaneous push or simultaneous a two pronged attack.

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Speaker 1: The process is the punishment. Once again, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: people talking about the insurrection. Trump was a part of

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Speaker 1: an insurrection. So they get political mileage out of this

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Speaker 1: legal challenge, even if it ends up being frivolous, and

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Speaker 1: they can probably do it in a few states, how

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Speaker 1: do you think the legality shakes up? So this is

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Speaker 2: I think they are going to take him off the

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Speaker 2: ballot in Michigan, in California, right the toss up states

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Speaker 2: are the scarier ones. Although this has made your down

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Speaker 1: This is bold.

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Speaker 2: You think they'll actually manage to do it, is what

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Speaker 2: you're I think, Well, I think they will take him

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Speaker 2: multiple states, because I think Buck the Moore. I spent

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Speaker 2: I was doing a deep dive. I was reading all

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Speaker 1: To the audience.

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Speaker 2: And then this morning, when I woke up and I

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Speaker 1: Huge fourteenth Amendment Trump Panic.

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Speaker 2: It's the lead editorial in the Wall Street Journal, I said,

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Speaker 2: we need to familiarize our audience with this argument so

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Speaker 2: that all of you are aware of what's coming. They

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Speaker 2: will pull him off the ballot in one of these states.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say they're going to do it in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just tossing out Michigan as an example because

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Speaker 2: is an incredible segue that I was not planning. But

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Speaker 2: thank you everyone, nine ten am, you are going to

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Speaker 2: be seeing Buck and myselfs I am told you may

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Speaker 2: not love this. Our faces on billboards all over southeast Michigan.

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Speaker 2: So if you see those tagged at Clay and Buck

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Speaker 2: the state of Michigan's apparatus. Buck, they say that, but

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire they're doing an investigation right now, a legal

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Speaker 2: But all this stuff. Then what happens is the Trump

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Speaker 1: This is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly illegitimate to take him off the ballot. There'll

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Speaker 2: be a huge debate about whether Trump was involved in

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Speaker 2: an insurrection January sixth. Democrats can't talk about it enough.

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Speaker 2: It will go to the Supreme Court. Buck, the United

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Speaker 2: States Supreme Court, I believe, will be forced to say

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Speaker 2: his victory will be Trump appointed judges.

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Speaker 1: And they will then say.

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Speaker 2: Trump has rigged the game, he is flouting the law,

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Speaker 2: he's trying to destroy our democracy. Look at how he

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Speaker 2: seeded the Supreme Court justices. And this will be a

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Speaker 1: And that's in addition to four correct criminal indictments have

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Speaker 1: already come down. So just what else are they planning

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Speaker 1: at this one? You have to wonder, you know, what

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Speaker 2: Really They might legitimately have him in prison. I mean

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Speaker 2: him in prison for the actual election.

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Speaker 1: I honestly did not think that it could get this crazy,

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Speaker 1: I just have to keep an open mind to whatever

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, team. We're going to dive into the surge

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Speaker 1: Fauci is back. He missed Clay. He wants to check

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. I'm calling because our

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Speaker 4: It's the Bible Belt where we all voted for Trump.

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Speaker 1: I love you guys. Keep it going, Thank you man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for calling it. Thank you for the passion too.

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Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately, Clay, we shouldn't really talk about this

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Speaker 1: Fauci is bad. He's on television because he's telling everybody

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Speaker 5: that particular review.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are other studies, Michael, that show at

436
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Speaker 6: an individual level. For individual when you're talking about the

437
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Speaker 6: effect on the epidemic, of the pandemic as.

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Speaker 1: A whole, the data are less strong.

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Speaker 6: But when you talk about as an individual basis of

440
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Speaker 6: someone protecting themselves or protecting themselves from spreading it to others,

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Speaker 6: there's no doubt that there were many studies that show

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Speaker 6: that there is an advantage.

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Speaker 1: You remember that scene in Jurassic Park where he says

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Speaker 1: that's a load of and then look at the Yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: the triceratops stung that has heaped up like ten feet high.

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Speaker 1: That is what Fauci just did there, individual Clay. It

447
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Speaker 1: doesn't work based on the numbers with millions and millions

448
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Speaker 1: of people at all, but it works on an individual basis.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Fauci is such a moron or

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Speaker 1: so dishonest based on what he's saying here, I could

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Speaker 1: be convinced of either.

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Speaker 2: So many funny So first of all, when you said

453
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Speaker 2: Jurassic Park, I thought the line you were gonna go

454
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Speaker 2: with was science will find a way. Uh, And that's

455
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Speaker 2: a famous line for those of you watched it about

456
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Speaker 2: I think it's life will find a way, Life will

457
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Speaker 2: find it. I thought it was science will find a way.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you're right. I think frightened line

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Speaker 2: on me. Here go ahead. So this is so great,

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Speaker 2: and I want to reiterate for our audience. For two

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Speaker 2: plus years we have asked Fauci to be on this

462
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Speaker 2: show and he has said he's too busy. His cellphone

463
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Speaker 2: reception has been bad like pences for two years, which

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Speaker 2: is fine, as I said in response to that, because

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Speaker 2: Buck and I have to wash our hair as well,

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Speaker 2: so it's very very time consuming for us as well.

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Speaker 2: But this shouldn't have taken We're now in the fourth

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Speaker 2: fall winter of COVID.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy to think about.

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Speaker 2: I know for many of you out there, this is

471
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Speaker 2: going to be the fourth year of us going through

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Speaker 2: a fall winter with COVID, and Fauci is a liar

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Speaker 2: and Fauci should be in prison for the lies that

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Speaker 2: he told, that he has told that continue to come out,

475
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Speaker 2: but for it to take this long for him to

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Speaker 2: be directly confronted on live television. First of all, I

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Speaker 2: give credit to Michael Schmerconish because I think it is

478
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Speaker 2: important if you want journalists to actually hold people in

479
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Speaker 2: positions of power accountable. This is what should happen. Faucci

480
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: should have to answer for the Cocher and review, and

481
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Speaker 2: he should. When you listen to that response, Buck, it

482
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Speaker 2: doesn't work for millions of people, but it works on

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Speaker 2: an individual level. Doesn't ever make any sense in the

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Speaker 2: first place.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a bit like saying my security blanket

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Speaker 1: that I that I carry with me. It doesn't work

487
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Speaker 1: if millions of people hold it really close and tight,

488
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Speaker 1: but for me, it keeps the monsters away. I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: this is an absurd quasi religious belief at this point

490
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Speaker 1: that something could think about if you said this for

491
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Speaker 1: the vaccine, we did a vaccine trial. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: case of Masks was basically with three hundred and sixty

493
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Speaker 1: million Americans, but we did a vaccine trial with ten

494
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Speaker 1: million people and could show no efficacy whatsoever, zero statistically

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Speaker 1: from every single trial that that vaccine helped those ten

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Speaker 1: million people. This is theoretical. But you got what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And then you turn around and said, yeah, but we

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Speaker 1: know the vaccine offers individual protection. People would legitimately think

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Speaker 1: that you were an imbecile because that is so stupid

500
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Speaker 1: that it's not even wrong. It's so stupid that it's

501
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Speaker 1: like a cry for help. That is what the Chief

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Speaker 1: High Priest of Covidian Measures just said on CNN. It

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Speaker 1: is impossible to give a dumber answer than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, Buck, I think this is part and

505
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Speaker 2: parcel of what I would say the dumbing down of America.

506
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Speaker 2: In this way, you tell me if you think I'm wrong.

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00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: I actually trust scientists and experts more if they admit

508
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Speaker 2: when they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I said out about pundits too. That's why

510
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Speaker 1: I'll admit when I'm wrong. Here, one hundred.

511
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Speaker 2: Percent and we try, especially we get facts wrong and

512
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Speaker 2: get look, I did gambling for four years daily. You

513
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Speaker 2: want to talk about getting things wrong all the time,

514
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Speaker 2: you have to. That's why one reason, like, I'm going

515
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: to say exactly what I think, sometimes going to be right,

516
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: sometimes going to be wrong, and you guys, over time

517
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Speaker 2: can decide whether you trust the authenticity of those opinions.

518
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Speaker 2: But what Biden is the nominee, and Clay has to

519
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: buy me the most expensive steak in the history of

520
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: red meat, it'll be fine. So here is where I

521
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: think that they miscalculated to such an extent. Buck if

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Speaker 2: Fauci came out and said, yeah, we got it wrong

523
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Speaker 2: on masks and yeah the data on the COVID shot.

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Speaker 1: Has been proven to be wrong.

525
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Speaker 2: As well, it hasn't protected you, I would still be

526
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Speaker 2: furious at him because he's lied for years. What has

527
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Speaker 2: Fauci admitted that they've gotten wrong? And this is just

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Speaker 2: so frustrating because I think it speaks to there is

529
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Speaker 2: a form of absolutism that is I think running rampant

530
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Speaker 2: in America.

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Speaker 1: And what it.

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Speaker 2: Requires is that even if facts change, or even if

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Speaker 2: data is shifting, you have to stay committed to whatever

534
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Speaker 2: you said publicly in the first place, or you're worried

535
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Speaker 2: that your legitimacy is going to be questioned. I actually

536
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Speaker 2: think it's the opposite. I think there is such a

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Speaker 2: desperate demand for the truth out there that people would

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Speaker 2: have years ago, Buck if Fauci had come out years

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Speaker 2: ago when the data became clear, and he had said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what, there's no reason to wear masks. You

541
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Speaker 2: made a good point years ago when we start on

542
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Speaker 2: this show. Fauci has never ever said you're doing too much. Yep,

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00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: he's never Buck, and you go back and look at

544
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Speaker 2: everything that he said. He never said, hey, you know

545
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Speaker 2: what six year olds don't need to be sitting in

546
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Speaker 2: socially distanced outdoor subfreezing temperature eating their peanut butter and

547
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: jelly sandwich. Is we're not protecting them by doing that.

548
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Speaker 2: Not once has he ever said this is too much.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I have contempt for him. Yes, because

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Speaker 2: he's making proclamations under the veil, from behind the false

551
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: white lab coat of sign here, he's making these proclamations

552
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: that have real hurtful outcomes for people. He is making

553
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Speaker 2: people anxious, uncomfortable.

554
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: Sick, getting them fired creating, you know, problems within families.

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Speaker 1: There are consequences to the lies that he continues to

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Speaker 1: propagate if he were a decent human being. Never mind,

557
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Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about a clay. From the perspective

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Speaker 1: of just intellectual honesty, yes, but there's also a decency

559
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: component to this too. Right, he should admit he's wrong,

560
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Speaker 1: because that's what honest, smart people do. But also, there

561
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Speaker 1: are still people out there who live in terror of

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Speaker 1: their masks slipping down at the airport and they're gonna

563
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Speaker 1: get covid. Fauci could almost like lay a hand on

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Speaker 1: their forehead and say, I shall make you free now

565
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Speaker 1: of this fear. But he won't do it. And you

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Speaker 1: know the other thing I said, he's never which is true.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me that he's never dialed it back. Ever,

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Speaker 1: He's never said to people, know what you're doing too much.

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Speaker 1: He also has never said anything that upsets the Rachel

570
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Speaker 1: Maddow audience that you know that that sends the CNN

571
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Speaker 1: audience into a moment of oh my gosh. Right, he

572
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: won't say anything that upsets hardcore Democrats. Why is that, everybody?

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Speaker 1: How is that possible that he's gotten so much wrong,

574
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Speaker 1: but he's never said anything that has upset because his

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Speaker 1: political constituency. But that's what it is. He has a

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Speaker 1: political constituency also.

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Speaker 2: At this point, as we enter the fourth year, it

578
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: takes a lot to get me really angry.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: When I'm at the airport and I see a parent

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Speaker 2: masking a two year old with you, I am legitimately

582
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Speaker 2: angry at that parent, and I feel so sorry for

583
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Speaker 2: that kid in the same way that I think it's

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Speaker 2: child abuse.

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Speaker 1: In the same way if I saw a.

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Speaker 2: Parent berating a child in a way that would make

587
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Speaker 2: you uncom comfortable in public to see or in private

588
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: to see, I look at it and I think, what

589
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Speaker 2: hell must that kid be going through? Because one thing,

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Speaker 2: if you're a parent and you are psychologically unstable and

591
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: you have committed yourself, you'll see.

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Speaker 1: Bucks.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes these people still get on in They're like, I'm

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Speaker 2: wearing a face shield and four in ninety fives and

595
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: like basically medical scrubs, so that I'm sitting on an airplane.

596
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Speaker 2: I remember when the airplane executives find the airline executives

597
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: finally got fed up and they went on and they

598
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: were like, look the filtration systems on airplanes are actually

599
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Speaker 2: far more cleanly than the average air that you would

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Speaker 2: breathe in a in a regular place. And they kind

601
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Speaker 2: of went off on it the idea that you had

602
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Speaker 2: to wear masks, and we saw certainly as the mask

603
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: mandates were removed and everybody yanked them off. But if

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Speaker 2: you're an adult and you want to engage in delusional,

605
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Speaker 2: fanciful thinking because your brain is broken because of the

606
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: faucis of the world and COVID, you have that right.

607
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Speaker 2: I think you're an imbecile. But to make kids, and

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Speaker 2: for Fauci still do not come out and say, yeah,

609
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Speaker 2: young children get zero benefit and actually a huge detriment

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Speaker 2: when it comes to learning how to speak, because you'll

611
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Speaker 2: learn how to speak by seeing adult lips. These kids

612
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Speaker 2: are facing massive structural deficiencies and gaining no benefit. It's

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Speaker 2: child abuse, well, and it's Fauci's cowardice is cruel and

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Speaker 2: that's what. And it's Fauci, it's Wilenski, it's all these

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Speaker 2: different doctors. Their cowardice is a cruelty to people who

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Speaker 2: do not have the knowledge and the courage to come

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Speaker 2: to the obvious conclusion here, which is that all of

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Speaker 2: this lockdown social distancing masking was a complete zero in

619
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Speaker 2: terms of benefit and massive costs in terms of the downside.

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Speaker 2: We were always led to believe that there were basically

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Speaker 2: no downsides and tremendous benefit.

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Speaker 1: It is actually the reverse of that. It is tremendous

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Speaker 1: downside with no benefit. And I think that there's just

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Speaker 1: a recognition at this point or there's a belief this

625
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: point clay among some of these individuals that they won't

626
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Speaker 1: have any credibility if they actually say what is true,

627
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Speaker 1: So they would they will go to the very end

628
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Speaker 1: clinging to these lies, kind of what Fauci did, muttering

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Speaker 1: out of the side of their mouths. But there are

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Speaker 1: other studies. The Cochrane study is the most definitive, broad

631
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Speaker 1: wide reaching look at data by the most esteemed organization

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Speaker 1: that does this. And they looked at this and they

633
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Speaker 1: said there's no benefit and ninety five o'clock. And yet

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Speaker 1: if you were to go over to CNN or MSNBC

635
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Speaker 1: or whatever, you know what happened. If you walk in

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Speaker 1: that green room and people are wearing masks, you said, guys,

637
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Speaker 1: what are you doing? They think that you are crazy.

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Speaker 2: And remember Fauci, in addition to getting attacked. Finally, on

639
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Speaker 2: CNN The New York Times, he admitted, I think I

640
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: got the quote right right that there was only like,

641
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Speaker 2: at best at ten percent maybe marginal benefit. So he's

642
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: already circled himself into this tiny corner of masking might

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Speaker 2: have ten percent benefit. And what they're now starting to

644
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: say is, well, it doesn't have any harm, so there's

645
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: no harm in doing it. But that's the exact opposite

646
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: of what we were told. You're also only going to

647
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Speaker 2: get that strain of COVID once this. No one ever

648
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: thought about this really in this process of mask mandates

649
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Speaker 2: a ten percent reduction over what period of time? Because

650
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Speaker 2: if you have any real familiarity with how the numbers

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Speaker 2: work and how the stats play out, even if you

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Speaker 2: the President's Daily Brief podcast. So much going on right now, Mike,

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Speaker 2: let me just start with this. When you see that

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Speaker 2: Kim Jong un is planning to meet with UH with

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Speaker 2: with with Putin, and we know that China has been

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Speaker 2: meeting with Putin, how concerned are you about? Like, for

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Speaker 2: lack of a better way of describing it, a new

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Speaker 2: global axis of evil that is commingling itself kind of

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Speaker 2: associated with Ukraine and beyond in opposition to the United States.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, my first thought is a ron spoty, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what's wrong with us?

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Speaker 1: Hey? Yeah, right, what happened to us?

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Speaker 3: We used to be in the access of evil? We're

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Speaker 3: still evil? So yeah, it is it's disconcerting. But from

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Speaker 3: the perspective that look, you know North Korea, Kim Jong

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Speaker 3: un is dad before him, frankly is dad before him.

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Speaker 3: They were always seeking a way to be relevant, right,

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Speaker 3: and when they felt disrespected or ignored on the world stage,

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Speaker 3: you know, then usually you'd get a missile being fired off,

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Speaker 3: you get some action out of North Korea so that

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Speaker 3: they could get some attention. This, in a sense, I

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Speaker 3: think is putin or more likely as Ministry of Defense

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Speaker 3: trying to butter on the North Koreans for a better

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Speaker 3: deal on munitions and weaponry, which the Russians are in

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Speaker 3: rather desperate straits in terms of stockpiling their inventories because

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Speaker 3: they've been depleting them at a fairly astonishing raid over

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Speaker 3: the past five hundred and fifty days or so. So

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Speaker 3: it's worrisome. China is a different animal, China is sitting

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Speaker 3: or they only do things in their own best interests,

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Speaker 3: so they're not best friends with anybody, right. This is

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Speaker 3: not a BFF moment where you know, China is looking for,

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Speaker 3: you know, to hang out with them after school. This

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Speaker 3: is just China doing what they always do, which is

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Speaker 3: in the moment, doing what they consider to be in

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Speaker 3: their best interests.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, it's Buck, and congrats on launching the new podcast,

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Speaker 1: the PDB podcast for President's Daily Brief. And what do

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Speaker 1: you think the future is going to look like? Of

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Speaker 1: let's just say, let's put it this way, right, because

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Speaker 1: we don't know who's going to be the boss in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the commander in chief. But between now

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Speaker 1: and the election, the offensive that Ukraine was supposed to

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Speaker 1: have broken through Russian lines with it didn't work, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were told oh no this time around.

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Speaker 1: And I think people are starting to recognize that the

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Speaker 1: build of the taxpayer is getting bigger, the carnage over there,

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Speaker 1: the casualties just from a humanitarian side of things on

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Speaker 1: both sides, you know, combatants, noncombatants, everything is getting higher

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Speaker 1: and higher each day. What do you think the policy

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Speaker 1: is going to look like and what should it be like?

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Speaker 1: What should we do in Ukraine right now or with

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Speaker 1: regard to Ukraine given what we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great question. And depending on

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Speaker 3: how it plays out with the election in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four I think you've got a couple of different scenarios.

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Speaker 3: But you know, just from an operational perspective, I think

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Speaker 3: one thing that needs to be done is we need

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Speaker 3: to as the US and with our allies hopefully, we

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Speaker 3: needed to find what the endgame looks like right because

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Speaker 3: we're in that point, we're getting close to winter fighting,

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Speaker 3: and once that rolls around, it won't be long before

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Speaker 3: at the start of the third year of this war,

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Speaker 3: and typically that's going to signal a loss of interest,

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Speaker 3: even amongst all those people who are plant their flags

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Speaker 3: out in their front yards and have stickers on their bumpers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we stand with Ukraine, even though in twenty fourteen we

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Speaker 3: didn't give a crap about what happened in Crimea or

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Speaker 3: in the eastern Ukraine. But it's going to signal a change.

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Speaker 3: And I think Zelensky realizes this. I think he and

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Speaker 3: some of his is cadri I think they understand that

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Speaker 3: one thing they've got to do is hold out of lines.

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Speaker 3: If they lose that supply chain of resource of munitions

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Speaker 3: and weaponry because allies start falling by the wayside, or

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Speaker 3: because this concerns over corruption, which we're starting to see,

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Speaker 3: they've got a real problem.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Without that supply chain, that steady flow of munitions and

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Speaker 3: weaponry and resources, they can't maintain this, not only the

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Speaker 3: counter offensive, but any hope of a lasting success. So

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Speaker 3: we've got to define an endgame, and that typically means

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Speaker 3: in a situation like this, there's going to have to

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Speaker 3: be a negotiated settlement. And that really kisses off everybody,

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Speaker 3: right because it's very emotive, and so nobody nobody wants

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Speaker 3: to get Putin anything. So we all imagine that somehow

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Speaker 3: we're going to get to this place eventually where Ukraine

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Speaker 3: reclaims all their territory, as they've said, that is their endgame,

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Speaker 3: including Crimea. And then you have to ask yourself, is

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Speaker 3: there any scenario where Putin's going to be willing to

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Speaker 3: give up Crimea. I don't see that. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to have to be a little more pragmatic about how

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Speaker 3: this thing may turn out.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to to Mike Baker. I appreciate him coming

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Speaker 2: on with us. Encourage you to go check out his podcast,

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Speaker 2: The President's Daily Brief Former CIA Covert Operations officer.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned China.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of discussions, certainly as the Republican

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Speaker 2: Primary continues, over what would happen if China invaded Taiwan.

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Speaker 2: This has been a big topic in the wake of

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's invasion by Russia. Do you think China will invade Taiwan?

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Speaker 2: Do you think there is a time frame under which

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Speaker 2: they are planning to do so, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Last part of that question, yes, I think that time

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Speaker 3: frame is somewhere within Jijingping's tenure. I have a hard

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Speaker 3: time imagining, and I think a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: have been looking at this and profiling his character, his leadership,

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Speaker 3: his personality, the idea that he'll walk off into the

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Speaker 3: sunset at some point and hand over the rains and

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Speaker 3: will not have acted on the Taiwan issue. I think

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Speaker 3: those chances are somewhat remote. So I think your time

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Speaker 3: frame has been condensed. Used to be we talk about

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Speaker 3: maybe twenty fifty or sometime out there, but that has

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Speaker 3: that has changed now. I think in terms of an invasion.

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Speaker 3: We have to understand that invasion can look like a

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Speaker 3: lot of different things. So this may not be ships

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Speaker 3: heading across the strait which is remarkably narrow and and

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Speaker 3: and militarily taking over the country right there. There could

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Speaker 3: be other elements to this and whether that includes, you know,

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Speaker 3: the next battlefield, which is cybersecurity and and and or

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Speaker 3: cyber Shenanigan, sorry, and and space right the degrading of

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Speaker 3: of you know, surveillance and intel capabilities, taking out satellite systems,

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Speaker 3: whatever it may be, that that will look different. So

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Speaker 3: and it also depends in part on you know, the

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Speaker 3: next upcoming election. The front runner right now is you know,

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Speaker 3: he's speaking out more aggressively about the independence of Taiwan

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Speaker 3: and the iportance of maintaining that. So it is I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: we got a lot of flashpoints around the globe. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: China Taiwan is you know, in the top three at

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Speaker 3: this stage.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bake, everybody check out the PDB podcast where he'll

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Speaker 1: talk about national security every day from the perspective of

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Speaker 1: a former CIA covert operations guy. Mike, great to have

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Speaker 1: you all, my friend, thanks for having here.

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to talk about it. I appreciate you mentioning the PDB.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to use all my big words and try

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Speaker 3: to be clean shaven and wear a clean shirt every day.

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Speaker 1: So well, Mike, as you know, I'm a CIA analyst.

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Speaker 1: So if you need someone to, you know, make sure

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Speaker 1: that all the hyphens are in the right place. I

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Speaker 1: got you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's you know, that's a really important

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Speaker 7: point to note, Buck, is that nobody, nobody was ever

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Speaker 7: going to ask me to join the smart ranks of

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Speaker 7: the analysts, you know, where you guys actually knew what

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Speaker 7: was going on. We would just chunk in little bits

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Speaker 7: and pieces of information from wherever we happen to be,

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Speaker 7: and and and then be amazed at at you know,

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Speaker 7: what would be kind of turned out from all of that.

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Speaker 1: So James Bond over here, everybody is a very humble man,

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Speaker 1: but he's going to do a great job.

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Speaker 3: On I'm just saying the PDP is going to look

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Speaker 3: at things from from more of an operational perspective than

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Speaker 3: an analytical perspective. And I'm going to try not to

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Speaker 3: tell people how to think about things, but we'll see

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Speaker 3: how that goes.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Mike PDB podcast. Check it out. Everybody, thanks,

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Speaker 1: take care, Take care. Doesn't it seem like we do

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Speaker 1: everything online these days. This whole conversation about cybersecurity and

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Speaker 1: keeping you and me safe from cyber hackers was never

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Speaker 1: a thing until it became one with a big one

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Speaker 1: time data breach. Look, then it happened again, and then

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Speaker 1: it happened again, and you realize, oh my gosh, these

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Speaker 1: data breaches are a regular occurrence. Think about all the

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Speaker 1: banking and stuff you do online. Not to mention Ubers, Amazon, Netflix,

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Speaker 1: There's so much payment information, so much stuff floating around

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Speaker 1: on the internet, so you need to protect yourself and

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Speaker 1: your online identity. I can tell you I've gotten I've

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Speaker 1: gotten text messages from things that look like it's from

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Speaker 1: my bank, things that look like it's a home that

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