1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky Listener, Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy two, an often cited parapsychology experiment took place. 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: The experiment, conducted by Toronto parapsychologist Dr A. R. George 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Owen and psychologist Dr Joel Whitten, was called the Philip Experiment, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and it sought to create a fictional character, a ghost, 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: through a deliberate methodology, and in turn communicate with this 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: ghost through a series of seances. The research team consisted 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: of Dr Owen's wife, Iris, an industrial designer and his wife, 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: a heating engineer, an accountant, a bookkeeper, and a sociology student. 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: The research collective settled on a character named Philip Aylesford, 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: referred to as Philip throughout the bulk of the experiment. 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: His fictional history was a smorgeseport of real history and 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: complete applications per the experiment. Philip was born in England 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: in sixteen twenty four, served in the military throughout young adulthood, 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: and was subsequently knighted at sixteen. Philip was serving in 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: the English Civil War, where the parliamentarians and Royalists went 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: to war over issues of England's governance and record on 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: religious freedom. When he met and later became a close 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: ally for Charles, the second King of Scotland, England and 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: Ireland until his deposition in sixteen fifty one, and later 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: king from the sixteen sixty Restoration until his death in 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: sixteen eighty five. Philip, though never had a chance to 24 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: see much of Charles's rule, Having fallen in love with 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: the romane E girl, she was accused of witchcraft and 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: burned at the stake. Despondent, Philip died by suicide in 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: sixteen fifty four. He would have been thirty years old. 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: The group worked tirelessly to contact their invention, their fictional Philip, 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: hoping that by sheer belief in him, they could in 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: effect will the spirit of Philip to exist. These attempts, 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: at first proved unsuccessful. Dr Owen then changed the experiment conditions, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: altering several key environmental variables, dimming the lights, for instance, 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: to more closely resemble a conventional seance. After dr Owen 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: made these changes, participants reported phantom breezes, vibrations, vocal echoes, 35 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: and a rapping sound whenever questions were posed to Philip. 36 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: The table was said to tilt and move about the 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: room without human contact. Audio, visual and firsthand accounts documented 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: this phenomena. I've had luck with conducting experiments very close 39 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: to this one. If any of you have ever watched 40 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: my show Kindred Spirits, you may remember an episode called 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Zombie Boy in season five where Adam Burry and I 42 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: very much create a spirit, give it a backstory, and 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: proceed to interact with it. What does any of that 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: have to do with the historic haunt we're about to discuss, 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: you ask, Well, we'll get into that at the end 46 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: of this podcast, but keep it in the back of 47 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: your mind until then. Let's take a little trip to 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: one of the most haunted states I know, Louisiana, and 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: explore one of the most haunted locations I know, the 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Myrtles Plantation. I'm Amy Brunei, and this is haunted Road 51 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: built in the Myrtles Plantation in St. Francisville, is an 52 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: outstanding example of a raised cottage plantation house. Particularly noteworthy 53 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: is its size. Its front porch extends on seven ft, 54 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: it's handsome cast iron vine and great patterned galleries, and 55 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: its interior plaster work. St. Francisville, where the plantation is located, 56 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: is a charming, pocket book sized town with lavishly restored 57 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: Creole style cottages and is situated on the Mississippi River. 58 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: Myrtles Plantation hovers just beyond St. Francisville's Historic district up 59 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: a long and meandering road. The plantation has manicured grounds 60 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: of moss draped oaks and crape myrtles. As for the 61 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: main home itself, it's an aged two story cottage just 62 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: around a bend in the road beyond the plantation entree gates. 63 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: The structure appears delicate, even dainty, with outstretched porches below 64 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: and galleries above, all be decked by ocean green shutters 65 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: and decorative iron railings. The original home, called Laurel Grove, 66 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: seemed destined to be a home of note, as it 67 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: was built by Whiskey Rebellion conspirator David Bradford in the 68 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: late seventeen nineties. Bradford was born in Cecil, Maryland, in 69 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty two. He was one of five children born 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: to Irish immigrant parents. He first made a name for 71 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: himself in Washington County, Pennsylvania as a successful attorney businessman 72 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: and deputy Attorney General for the county. His first attempt 73 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: to marry ended only days before his wedding. Nothing is 74 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: known about this, but he later met and married Elizabeth 75 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Porter in seventeen eighty five and started a family. The 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: family had a beautiful home built in Pennsylvania, but had 77 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: little time to enjoy it. David was forced to flee 78 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: the house in October seventeen ninety four after he became 79 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: involved in the infamous Whiskey Rebellion, and legend has it 80 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: that President George Washington placed a price on the man's 81 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: head for his role in the affair. The Whiskey Rebellion 82 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: began in seventeen ninety one in the wake of a 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: new federal tax on all distilled spirits, including whiskey. The 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: tax law was intended to cover debt from the Revolutionary War, 85 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: but because of the popularity of whiskey, it was easier 86 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: to preserve for longer than rummer beer. It was opposed 87 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: by many in places like the Western Frontier, where farmers 88 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: relied on whiskey as a means of using up surplus 89 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: materials as well as a form of currency. The whiskey 90 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: tax was hotly resisted. In the summer of seven, a 91 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: mob of five hundred men attacked the home of a 92 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: tax inspector in Pennsylvania. President Washington rode at the head 93 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: of an army to suppress the insurgency with thirteen thousand 94 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: militiamen provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, 95 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania. The rebels all went home before the arrival 96 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: of the army, and there was no confrontation. Of the 97 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: twenty or so arrested, all were acquitted, but it scared 98 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: those involved and scattered some of them to the win, 99 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: one of whom was our whiskey Dave Bradford. Leaving his 100 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: family behind, Bradford fled Pennsylvania. He first spent time in 101 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh before settling near what is now Sat. Francis Phille, Louisiana. 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: Bradford was no stranger to the area. He had originally 103 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: traveled here in seventeen ninety two to try and obtain 104 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: a land grant from Spain. When he returned in seventeen 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: ninety six, he purchased six hundred acres of land and 106 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: a year later built a modest, eight room home that 107 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: he called Laurel Grove. He lived there alone until seventeen 108 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: ninety nine, when he received a pardon for his role 109 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: in the Whiskey Rebellion from newly elected President John Adams. 110 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: He retrieved his family in Pennsylvania and they settled into 111 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: Laurel Grove. When David Bradford died in eighteen o eight, 112 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: Elizabeth or Eliza inherited the property. In eighteen seventeen, their daughter, 113 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: Sarah Matilda Bradford, married Clark Woodruff, a lawyer who would 114 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: become a judge. Woodruff would also eventually take over ownership 115 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: of the property from Eliza, but in the meantime managed 116 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: the property for the family. Both Woodruff and Bradford enslaved people. 117 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: In eighteen twenty, Eliza had twenty four persons in bondage, 118 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Woodruff had five. By eighteen thirty, Woodruff had thirty three 119 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: enslaved persons associated with him, while Eliza had ten. According 120 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: to author Troy Taylor, Woodruff expanded the holdings of the 121 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: plantation and planted about six hundred fifty acres of indigo 122 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: and cotton. Together, he and Sarah Matilda had three children, Cornelia, 123 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Gayal James, and Mary Octavia. However, tragedy was on the horizon. 124 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: Yellow fever was a threat in New Orleans and South 125 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Louisiana virtually every year during the warmest months. Between eighteen 126 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: twenty three and eighteen twenty four, Sarah Bradford Woodruff died 127 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: along with two of her children. Yellow fever may have 128 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: been the cause. The legend handed down says otherwise, Historians 129 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: insist that Sarah Woodruffe and her daughters died in a 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: yellow fever epidemic. This is hotly contested, and we'll get 131 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: more into that shortly. Sarah went first on July twenty three. 132 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Their son James passed almost a year later on July fifteen. 133 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: In September eighteen twenty four, daughter Cornelia Gale was the 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: third Woodroof to die from yellow fever. But they were 135 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: not alone, as the epidemic raged through the Louisiana region. Clearly, 136 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: the eighteen twenties were probably emotionally challenging for Woodruff, but 137 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: not financially. The eighteen thirty census listed property ownership at 138 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: four thousand acres and four hundred eighty enslaved people. Woodruff 139 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: eventually bought the property from his mother in law, Eliza Bradford. 140 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: At this point, Eliza had outlived her husband, her daughter, 141 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: and at least two grandchildren. She lived with Woodruff in 142 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: the estate until her own death in eighteen thirty In 143 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty four, Woodruff sold Laurel Grove to married couple 144 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Rough and Gray Sterling and marry Catherine Cobb. The Sterlings 145 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: were a very wealthy family who owned several plantations on 146 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: both sides of the Mississippi River. On January first, Ruff 147 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: and Gray Sterling and his wife, Mary Catherine Cobb took 148 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: over the house, land and buildings. They enslaved one hundred 149 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: seventy three black men, women, and children, ranging an age 150 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: from infancy to seventy years old. As prominent members of 151 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: the community, they remodeled Laurel Grove to reflect their status. 152 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: They enlarged and embellished the house, orchestrated the planting of 153 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: a myriad of crape myrtle trees and renamed the plantation 154 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: the Myrtles. They added the ornate European chandeliers and elaborate 155 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: floral moldings formed of moss and clay plaster. The completed 156 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: project nearly doubled the size of David Bradford's original house. 157 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Ruff and Sterling died from tuberculosis in eighteen fifty four, 158 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: so Mary assumed the responsibility for the property. Ruff And 159 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: Sterling and his wife had nine children. The most notable 160 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: daughter for our purposes was Sarah. Their oldest son died 161 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty four, the year his father passed away. 162 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: Her daughter, Sarah Mulford Sterling, had married attorney William Winter 163 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty two, and Mary Cobb requested Winter's help 164 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: in managing the properties. Then came the Civil War. The 165 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,239 Speaker 1: Civil War certainly affected the family and the people they enslaved. 166 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Many of the families personal belongings were looted and destroyed 167 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: by Federal soldiers, and the wealth that they had accumulated 168 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: was ultimately in worthless Confederate currency. To make matters worse 169 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: for them, Mary Cobb had been invested heavily in sugar 170 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: plantations that had been ravaged by the war. She eventually 171 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: lost all of her property. Through her financial challenges, Mary 172 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: decided to grant Sarah and William Winter the myrtles for 173 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: their personal use. Additionally, William was engaged as the family 174 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: agent and attorney. In eighteen sixty seven, the Sterling Winter 175 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: family lost the home due to debt after the Civil War, 176 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: but Sarah Winter later regained her father's property. It isn't 177 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: clear just what happened to put them in the financial 178 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: position to retake the home, but it seemed as though 179 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: things were improving for the family until in eighteen seventy one, 180 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: William Winter was shot and, according to legend, staggered upstairs, 181 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: reaching the seventeenth step before expiring. A newspaper accounts hells 182 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: Us slightly different story. William was called to his front 183 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: door by some person unknown on the night of the 184 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: six at about seven and a half o'clock, and as 185 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: he appeared at the door of his sitting room, there 186 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: being no one in sight, he requested to know who 187 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: wished to see him, and at that instant a double 188 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: barrel gun was discharged at him, loaded with seven large buckshot, 189 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: six of which took effect upon his person, five in 190 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,479 Speaker 1: his breast and one through his neck, killing him instantly. 191 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: Upon his stand, he fell and expired instantly without uttering 192 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: a word. There are a number of theories and rumors 193 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: about his death, especially regarding political or economic motivations about 194 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: the plantation itself. According to a contemporary newspaper account, Mr 195 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: Winter was not known by his most intimate friends, to 196 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: have any enemies, or to be involved in any controversies 197 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: calculated to create bitter and homicidal passions against him. He 198 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: was a gentleman of mild and dignified deportment, calm, prudent, 199 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: and temperate in all things, who, whilst not engaged in 200 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: professional pursuits, passed his time in the bosom of a 201 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: happy family, dispensing a liberal hospitality, and living the life 202 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: of a Christian gentleman. The death on the seventeenth step 203 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: detail seems to have been a later addition to this legend. Together, 204 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: the two widows, mother Mary Cobb Sterling and daughter Sarah 205 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: Sterling Winter, lived at the Myrtles until their respective deaths. 206 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Mary died in eighteen eighty and Sarah died in April 207 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: of eighteen seventy eight. A Sterling son named Stephen owned 208 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: the property until March of eighteen eighty six, when he 209 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: either lost it due to gambling or could no longer 210 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: manage the debt associated with the property. After this time period, 211 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: details of the property became more scarce until the middle 212 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: of the twentieth century. By the nineteen fifties, the property 213 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: surrounding the house had been divided among the Williams's hairs, 214 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: and the house itself was sold to Marjorie Months and 215 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: an Oklahoma widow who had been made wealthy by chicken farms. 216 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: It was at this point that the ghost stories of 217 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: the house began. They started innocently enough, but soon what 218 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: may have been real life ghostly occurrences took on a 219 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: life of their own. Many of the stories, especially the 220 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: details that culminated in the story of a ghost named Chloe, 221 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,239 Speaker 1: traced to Marjorie Munson. According to oral tradition, Munson experienced 222 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: odd things in the house. Wondering if perhaps the old 223 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: mansion might be haunted, She asked around, and that's when 224 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: the legend of Chloe got its start. Locals and members 225 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: of the Williams family, who owned the house after nine 226 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: swap stories about a woman in a green bonnet who 227 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: haunted the halls of the Myrtles. The woman in those 228 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: accounts was older than Chloe and specifically not characterized as enslaved, 229 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: and rumors of an affair didn't exist yet when Munson 230 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: heard this account, she soon penned a song about the 231 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: ghost of the Myrtles, a woman in a green beret 232 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: over the ars have we seen in many reported hauntings. 233 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: The story grew and changed. The Myrtles changed hands several 234 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: more times, and in the nineteen seventies it was restored 235 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: again under the ownership of Arlands and Mr. And Mrs 236 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: Robert f. Ward. During this period, the story grew even 237 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: larger and evolved to include poison murders and a severed ear. 238 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: Up until this point, though, it was largely just a 239 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: story that was passed on by word of mouth, and 240 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: it received little attention outside of the area. James and 241 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Francis Kiramin bought the Myrtles seemingly on a whim after 242 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: passing through the area on a riverboat. That happenstance changed 243 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: the course of the Myrtles Haunted history in general, and 244 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: specifically impacted the legend of Chloe. Francis Kiramine and her 245 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: husband Jim were the first Myrtles owners to turn the 246 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: plantation into a business, a bed and breakfast that hosted 247 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: a mystery dinner, theater, and offered tours. The Kiramans published 248 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: stories of the hauntings well beyond the scope the local community, 249 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: and paranormal experts and enthusiasts from all over the country. 250 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Were enthralled. Apparently, the earliest accounts of Chloe to appear 251 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: in print appeared in a November nineteen eighty issue of 252 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Life magazine and in Richard Weiner's book Houses of Horror. 253 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Both of them mentioned the poisoned deaths of Sarah, Matilda 254 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: and her daughters. Remember those names from the earlier yellow 255 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: fever epidemic In the nineteen eighties, National Enquirer dubbed the 256 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: site America's most haunted house, and the Appellachian stuck from 257 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: the eighties and beyond, the hauntings associated with the property 258 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: have snowballed. Additional deaths. Up to six more murders were 259 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: added to the list. One of them Louis Sterling, the 260 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: oldest son of Ruff and Gray. Sterling, was claimed to 261 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: have been stabbed to death in the house over a 262 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: gambling debt. However, burial records in St. Francisville state that 263 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: he died at the age of twenty three in October 264 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty four from yellow fever. Now, what about the 265 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: legend of Chloe. The story says, shortly after Clark Woodruff 266 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: married Sarah Bradford in eighteen seventeen, he noticed a teenaged 267 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: enslaved girl named Chloe as she went about the property. 268 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Woodruff brought Chloe into the main house to be his concubine, 269 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: but Chloe had a bad habit of eavesdropping on the judge. 270 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: He caught her with her ear pressed to the door 271 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: of the gentleman's parlor while he was engaged in business 272 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: one day. As punishment, he had Chloe's left ear cut 273 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: off and banished her to the plantation kitchen behind the 274 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: big house. After the mutilation, Chloe wore a head wrap 275 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: to disguise the wound and a single earring in her 276 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: other ear. Banishment didn't please her at all, so the 277 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: legend goes, a plan was devised Chloe would bake a 278 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: birthday cake for the judge's twin daughters and spike it 279 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: with the poisonous leaves of the oleander plant. The cake 280 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: would sicken the girls, but Chloe would nurse them back 281 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: to health and all would be forgiven. Except again, according 282 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: to legend, that didn't happen. The two girls and their 283 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: mother ate enough to die from the oleander poison, and 284 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: Chloe fled to the quarters for the enslaved, but she 285 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: was found out and a local judge ordered her hanged. 286 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: After her death, her remains were dumped into the near 287 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: by Mississippi River. Due to her violent death and improper burial, 288 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Chloe haunts the Big House and the grounds of the 289 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Myrtles to day. So the story goes. As for the 290 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: specter of a woman in a green turban, that very 291 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: well may be true, but there's no evidence that she's Chloe. 292 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: It comes from a family oral tradition and wasn't meant 293 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: for the general public. None the less, she may have 294 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: been what prompted the owner, Marjory Munson, to start asking 295 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: around in the first place. Francis Myers claimed that she 296 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: encountered the ghost in the Green Turban in nineteen eighty seven. 297 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: She was asleep in one of the downstairs bedrooms when 298 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: she was awakened suddenly by an African American woman wearing 299 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: a green turban and a long dress. She was standing 300 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: silently beside the bed, holding a metal candlestick in her hand. 301 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: She was so real that the candle even gave off 302 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: a soft glow. Knowing nothing about ghosts, she was terrified 303 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: and pulled the covers over her head and started screaming. 304 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: Then she slowly looked out and reached out a hand 305 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: to touch the woman who had never moved, and to 306 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: her amazement, the apparition vanished. Through research, author Joe Nickel 307 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: hasn't found any sources that provide any evidence that the 308 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: Chloe tale is true, attributing it, if at all, to legend. 309 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Archives in St. Francisville do nothing to enlighten the situation. 310 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Their holdings have not proven that Chloe existed at all. 311 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: Historical sources don't support the existence of Chloe, let alone 312 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: the crimes associated with her. The legends usually claimed that 313 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: Sarah and her two daughters were poisoned, but Mary Octavia 314 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: survived well into adulthood. Finally, Sarah James and Cornelia Woodruff 315 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: were not killed by poisoning, but instead succumbed to yellow fever. 316 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: So all of that being said, many claimed the legend 317 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: of Chloe is just that a legend, but those connected 318 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: to the home sometimes say otherwise. William Winter's spirit is 319 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: believed to haunt the home since his murder, as is 320 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: the spirit of his morning wife, Sarah eternally in black. Allegedly, 321 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: the labored footsteps of Winter's ghost can be heard on 322 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: the stairs. As I mentioned, legend has it that once 323 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: reaching the seventeenth step of the staircase, Winter had climbed 324 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: just high enough to die in his beloved's arms. Ever since, 325 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: it's been claimed that ghostly footsteps have been heard coming 326 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: into the house, walking to the stairs, and then climbing 327 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: to the seventeenth step, where they of course come to 328 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: an end. There's mention of a Confederate soldier spirit who's polite, 329 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: but there's also a rumor that specters from the Union 330 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: side have also lingered on the property. There's a story 331 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: that during the Civil War, three Union soldiers broke into 332 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: the Myrtles with the intent to rob the home. However, 333 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: they were allegedly shot to death in the gentleman's parlor, 334 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: leaving bloodstains on the floor that refused to be wiped away. 335 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Researchers claim to have discovered no historical record indicating that 336 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: any of this happen, and specifically, the story has been 337 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: refuted by some descendants. Another spirit attributed to the property 338 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: is that of a nineteen twenties caretaker who wanders the grounds, 339 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: sometimes telling tourists that the place is closed. During another 340 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: attempt to rob the home, this time in nineteen twenty seven, 341 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: a caretaker was supposedly murdered, but again according to historians, 342 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: as of now, there's no evidence that it happened. The 343 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: Myrtles also has a very famous haunted mirror that hangs 344 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: in a prominent position. This mirror contains dark shadows that 345 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: are said to be the imprinted spirits of the dead 346 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: wife and children of Judge Woodruff. Another legendary haunted artifact 347 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: on site is the portrait of an anonymous man hanging 348 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: in the second floor foyer. His expression is believed to 349 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: change right before viewers eyes, and his eyes seem to 350 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: follow people as they move through the room. So the 351 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: Myrtles as quite a storied fiast of property, no doubt. 352 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: It's certain you've seen its share of dark history, tragedy 353 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: and death. So it's no wonder it's haunted. But let's 354 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: hear some of these stories firsthand from the Myrtles property 355 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: Ambassador Hester eb Miss Hester worked at the Myrtles for 356 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: decades and even now retired, continues to be their spokesperson, 357 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: and she does have some very fascinating stories. After that, 358 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I want to dive a bit into what I think 359 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: maybe going on at the Myrtles and how even if 360 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the leadend of Chloe isn't true, and she never existed. 361 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: She could still very much be haunting the old plantation 362 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: home all right. Now, I am currently joined by Miss 363 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Hester Hester Eby, who is now the property ambassador for 364 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Myrtles Plantation. She was the former director of tours, but 365 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: she recently retired, but she's still very much involved in Myrtles. 366 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me, Miss Hester. Thank you 367 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: for asking us. Of course, Now, Myrtles is interesting because 368 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: every other location just about on Haunted Road I have 369 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: visited in some way, and Myrtles is one of the 370 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: few that I have not yet had the pleasure to 371 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: pay a visit too. So I'm learning along with all 372 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: of the listeners about the property. And you know, the 373 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: history is vast, it sounds like. So before we get 374 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: into it too deeply, can you just kind of tell 375 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: us how you got involved in the property and how 376 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: long you've been involved with the property. First of all, 377 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to invite all of you to come visit us. 378 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: It's really an experience. It's easy to talk about, but 379 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: once you've been with us and sid the night or 380 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: even spent a couple of hours on the grounds taking 381 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: a few photographs, or whatever. It's amazing. It's really an 382 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: experience that you want to have for yourself. But I 383 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: started the Myrtles about twenty some years ago, and like 384 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: anyone else looking for a job, I didn't have transportation 385 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: at the time, a long time ago. So I called 386 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: and the owner at the time was Francis Kermy and 387 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: she said, well, come by please and let's talk. And 388 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: so I did. And I say that the Myrtles for years. 389 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm still there. But you know, we're known 390 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: to be hard, and it's not anything that just started yesterday. 391 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an old woman. I'm in my sixties now. 392 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: So even when I was a child living in Woodville, Mississippi, 393 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: if we drove by the Myrtles, it's like, don't point 394 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: over there, don't point over there. It's bad luck because 395 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: it's haunted. So not just the tale told, it's really true. 396 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: Anything from hearing footsteps for no reason, or hearing your 397 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: name Carled and thinking that it's a co worker because 398 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: it's their voice and they're into what they're doing. But 399 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety six was when it was built to the 400 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: states that it is now. Seventeen ninety four's when it 401 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: started and a man named General David Bradford thought it 402 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: at all. He came from Pennsylvania, built the Myrtles, and 403 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: it went on to his son in law and then 404 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: from then seventeen uh the Sterlings added all the beauty 405 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: that we see today to the Myrtles. I mean, we 406 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: have taken a pretty deep dive into the history and 407 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the first half of the episode, and there's just so 408 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: much history to it as far as who has been 409 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: associated with it over the years, and it sounds like 410 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of stories that kind of have 411 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: come from it that may not necessarily actually have happened, 412 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like kind of trying to weave through, 413 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: you know, what's historically accurate and what is lore and 414 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: things like that. And you said in the beginning about 415 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: how important it is to visit it, and I completely 416 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, it's so interesting because I've 417 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: heard stories for so long about the Myrtles, and I 418 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: have friends that just feel very attached to it in 419 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: a way that it's just a very important place to them. 420 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: They go back and visit every year, and it's just 421 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: kind of one of those haunts and one of those 422 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: places that draw people in. Do you think there was 423 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: kind of a bit of that when you started, Did 424 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: you feel just kind of compelled to be there in 425 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: some way? Well, when I first started, of course, as 426 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: I said, it was a job. But then the first 427 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: day that I got there, the beauty of it, it's 428 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: just overwhelming. It's I walked into the parlors and it 429 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: was like I was walking into something out of the 430 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: movies that you just didn't know what exists in San 431 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: Francis too, Louisiana. So you have an attachment to it. 432 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: And the more people visit, and the more you get 433 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: to know people, and the more they tell you their 434 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: stories about the mysteries of the Myrtles, and you can 435 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: relate to it because well, you know, this happened to 436 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: a couple of few days ago or whatever. You know, 437 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: it's conversation. And when I first started working at the Myrtles, 438 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: unlike now, people just didn't believe. They didn't talk about ghosts. 439 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: They just didn't believe some of the things that happened 440 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: at the Myrtles. And although haunted places as well, I'm 441 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: sure actually happened, but I mean, we have proof of it. 442 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: It's too many of us that sat at each other 443 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: and talk with each other and experience pretty close to 444 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: the same things. Yeah. Absolutely, So what was the first 445 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: thing that happened to you there that you knew something 446 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: was going on at the Myrtles. Well, the very first 447 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: thing that happened is when And this was very, very 448 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: just the first day that I came. I didn't realize 449 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: what was happening at the time, but a few months 450 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: later I realized. I came to on the parking lot. 451 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: It was the early morning. I didn't see but one car, 452 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: and I was looking for the owner at the time, 453 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: so I didn't see anyone. And my first thought was, 454 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, you got the times mixed up. No one 455 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: is here. I came to the front of the house 456 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: and the door was a jar a bit, just opened 457 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: just slightly, and there was a lady. She was on 458 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: the staircase, I mean, just a lady, and she begged 459 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: for me to come up. And of course, you know, 460 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: I hadn't been there before. I didn't know. I mean, 461 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. So I kind of peeped in 462 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: and I called and I don't know if I said 463 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: hello there or whatever, but no one answered. And what 464 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: by the time I looked back up after kind of 465 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: peeping my head in and calling. The lady was on 466 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: the staircase kind of becking for me to come up. 467 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: So anyway, I didn't do that, and I left the 468 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: door the way it was, and I was headed back 469 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: to the parking lot and Francis Kerman was in a 470 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: little garden area, whether a sister and or well is, 471 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: and she was doing flowers and she said hey, and 472 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: so we got to talking and whatever, and I remember 473 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: very well she had on a green movement that's, you know, 474 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: a big dress and uh, purple pump, and purple is 475 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: my favorite coast. I know this goes plump. And so 476 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: we were talking a bit and she said, can you 477 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: start work tomorrow? Well, first of all, you don't know 478 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: me that well, you hadn't got a resume or anything on. 479 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: It kind of puzzled me just a bit, but I 480 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: said yes, and she said, oh, you can start doing tours. 481 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: I said tours? Was that about? Because I wasn't familiar. 482 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: And then she went on and told me. I said, 483 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: I know nothing about this house. And she said, oh, 484 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't give you the information you need. And so 485 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: I started and then it went on and about three weeks. Well, 486 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: I guess maybe a month, maybe a little over a 487 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: month or so. Maybe. I asked her about the lady 488 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: on the staircase. She said, Oh, don't worry about her, 489 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: but that lady, I mean, she was a spirit. She 490 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: was a lady, and she just begged for me to 491 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: come up. She was not an antevelop gown or anything 492 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: like that. She had on what looked like maybe a 493 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: day dress or something that would have been popular for 494 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: the arian. I don't know. It was so quick, but 495 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: the lady she was telling me, was a spirit. She existed, 496 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: but not in human form. But I mean she was 497 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: a lady, becking for me to come up. Yeah. We 498 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: hear that a lot, where people will see an apparition 499 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: and it just to them looks like a person. And 500 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: it makes you wonder how many times we've seen apparitions 501 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: in our lives and just didn't realize that they were 502 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: a spirit because they do look so solid, exactly exactly. 503 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: We have photographs and one of the most famous one 504 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: is a lady and she's an antebellum gown, but she's 505 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: on the staircase, you know, I mean, she's seeing who's 506 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: coming into her home. That's the way I feel. Yeah, 507 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: And so who do you think that was? You have 508 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: any idea? I don't know, because I wouldn't go as 509 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: far back as the eighteen hundreds. The way the lady looks, 510 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I really don't know. We with our cameras now, even 511 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: our phone cameras or whatever, we're picking up things so quickly, 512 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: you know. It's not like the old photographs used to 513 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: be had to wait for her to get developed and 514 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: all that. We're picking up things that are actually happening 515 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: around us that we're not aware of, right right, I 516 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: have no idea of who she was, But as I said, 517 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe she goes as far back as the 518 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: eight hundreds the way she was dressed. On the contrary, 519 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,239 Speaker 1: you can tell they're dressed in period costa. We had 520 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: a young man not that long ago thought it was 521 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: a thrill to have his wife come to a hunting 522 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: house to do some surprise that happens all the time. 523 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: And she realized she was at the myrtles and it's like, honey, 524 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can stay in the main house, 525 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, And so we got ready to move them 526 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: to one of our cottages, which people do want to 527 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: stay on the grounds, but not actually stay in the 528 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: main house because of the age and because of so 529 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: many stories. And he went upstairs. She went to the 530 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: other room him. He went upstairs to get the rest 531 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: of their stuff and their luggage, and he took a while. 532 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: But when he came down, he said, oh, you know what, 533 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: I met the owner and we, you know, kind of 534 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: looked at each other and he said, yeah. He said, 535 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to meet Mr Winter. And he said, 536 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: it's great that all of you dressed in costume. Now 537 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: I never dressed in costume, but our cher guys to do, 538 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: and it adds to it. People love that. But Mr 539 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: Winter owned the home in the eighteen hundreds, and for 540 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: someone to tell him that he was Mr Winter and 541 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: then someone to be up there in costume, because he said, 542 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, he even tipped his top hat to me 543 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: when we first started our conversation. But who he talked 544 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: to with someone from the past, I don't doubt he 545 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: talked to him at all. That's fascinating. Yeah, But when 546 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: he went over, you know, to talk to his girlfriend 547 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: and let her know that they were all settled for 548 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: the night. Uh, she still didn't feel comfortable saying Mr Winter, 549 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: he was shot right according to legend, did that actually 550 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: happen or oh, yes, it really did happen. He died 551 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: on the seventeenth step of the main staircase. And the 552 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: story goes that Mr Winterer he had a few things 553 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: going on. He had married the sterling's daughter, their only daughter, 554 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: and he was from St. Louis. He had left a 555 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: lady in St. Louis spoiled the so the writing said. 556 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: But in that time he may have even kissed her. 557 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: You know, that was considered an automatic engagement. And he 558 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: owed a huge gambling debt, and he had a good 559 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: chance of becoming governor at the time it was written. 560 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: But he had quite a few enemies as well. So 561 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: the story goes that someone wrote up following gentleman in 562 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: need of an attorney, and Mr Winterer came out of 563 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: his gentleman's parlor onto his north porchway to answer the collar. 564 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: But when he got to the porch way, whoever it 565 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: was on horseback shot him and continued to go, but 566 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: the blast blew him back into his home, and he 567 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: made it through the parlors trying to reach his wife, 568 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: and the seventeenth step is where he died in her 569 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: arms as he was calling for her. She was trying 570 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: to get him, and this is where you know he 571 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: took his last breath. So a lot of times people 572 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: hear the footsteps, they hear a lady's cry, and sometimes 573 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: the smell of perfume is overwhelming to people that are 574 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: in that upstairs sweet where Mr Winter and his wife shared. 575 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: So it is said also that a lot of people 576 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: will put a ball on the seventeenth step because Mr 577 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: Winter didn't like children playing ball in the home. And 578 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if they did it or not, but 579 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: on the seventeenth step, if you place a ball there, 580 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: the story goes. And I have not seen it personally happened, 581 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: but I've seen it where people have set up their 582 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: cameras and you will see that ball come off that 583 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: seventeen step and it comes off with a force. It's 584 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: just no one kicked it or something right. So, when 585 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: I was going through the history, I think that sometimes 586 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: people assume every spirit or ghost is from like an 587 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: older time period, But the history has just been kind 588 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: of constant with the myrtles as far as death's associated 589 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: with the poverty who has lived there over the years now, 590 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: you having spent so much time there, who do you 591 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: think is maybe the most prevalent spirit in the plantation. 592 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: I would guess Chloe is, because she loves the idea 593 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: of being around people. She seems to be fascinated with jewelry, 594 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: and so I do believe out of all the years 595 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: that I have been there and out of personal things 596 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: that have kind of happened to me, and you just wonder, well, 597 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: you know, was this something out of the supernatural or 598 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: was it just something that happened, you know that just 599 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: does not happen every day. But I think she is. 600 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: In fact, I think people see her more than we realize, 601 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: because we have a restaurant on the grounds as well, 602 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: so everything you need is right there, and we've had 603 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: guests just on the back porch and the rockers, you know, 604 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: in late evening, and they told us how nice it 605 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: is they have everyone, the waitresses in the restaurant in costume. 606 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: Who they're seeing, I don't know, because our waitresses are 607 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: not in costume. But it was an area where you 608 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: would go back and forth from the butler's pantry to 609 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: get food prepared for the household. And who they're seeing 610 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: is probably people from the past. That's so crazy because 611 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: that happens like in Gettysburg a lot too. Or people 612 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: will think they're seeing re enactments and then turn around 613 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: and no one is there, and you know, they're just 614 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: assuming that it's people in costume. Now, I feel like 615 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: the Ghost of Chloe, like that is a story too 616 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: that I don't know as always properly portrayed. You know, 617 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like not everyone is convinced that things happen 618 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: the way they say they it historically, and that's something 619 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: like we're always trying to clear up what have you heard? 620 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: What is the story of Chloe according to what you 621 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: all think? Well, the story goes that the second owner, 622 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: Judge Clark Woodroff, General Bradford's son in law, took on 623 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: a mistress that was one of his house servants and 624 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: she was caught eavesdropping on some of the family business 625 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: and as punishment, she cut off her left earload. Well, 626 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: it left her so upset that a few days later 627 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: she baked the birthday cake for his oldest daughter, used 628 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: the juices some a popular leaf the oleander baked it 629 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: in the family's cake, killing the Judges's wife, Sarah, and 630 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: two of their children and their three of the ghosts, 631 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: along with Chloe the slaves who still lived there. After 632 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: Chloe confessed of poisoning, she was killed. And this is 633 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: the story that we tell. But I do want to say, 634 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, Ki was a nanny of the children, so 635 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: she care of them. It's just a personal feeling that 636 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: after she was sent to the fields, away from the children, 637 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: that she wanted to do something to get back in 638 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: the good graces of the family. So this is and 639 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: this is in my opinion, that she did the cake, 640 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,479 Speaker 1: not thinking that put the lander in a birthday cake, 641 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: not thinking that she would kill the children by any means, 642 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: or the mother which also died, but that she would 643 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: make them ill having to care of them for years. 644 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: She could come back in knowing what was already wrong. 645 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: There's them back to health and get on the good 646 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: graces of everyone again and be invited back into the household. 647 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: But it was overdone. Regardless to why the reasons, it 648 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: was overdone and they all died. And after Coli confessed 649 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: to the poisoning, I believe she confessed taking someone older 650 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: or wiser will be able to save the family. Of course, 651 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: she is killed, but that is the most popular story, 652 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of people question that story, but I 653 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: do not, because something happened there, and she and the 654 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: children are very often seen, and a lot of people 655 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: say that she has a knack of showing up. We 656 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: have a mirror in the fourier that's very popular. I'm 657 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: sure you've heard about it, and they the face of 658 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: the children and Chloe show up, without a doubt. I 659 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: have seen that and people have said that they took 660 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,479 Speaker 1: the picture and it looks like a first children are there, 661 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: but then it looks like something larger shape of a 662 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: person comes and kind of coverage the children, as if 663 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: she's pushing them away. I believe it's Chloe and our 664 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: children that were poisoned, but I believe she's still trying 665 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: to protect them no matter what. So that's the most 666 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: popular story of the Myrtles in my viewpoint, and a 667 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: lot of people have the scene the in mirror, the 668 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 1: image of Choe as well as the children, and most 669 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: of the time the children first, and this this image 670 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: coming as if it's protecting them. A lot of our guests, 671 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: and then especially in the old side of the hall, 672 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: which would have been the only side that was they're 673 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: doing Koe's time. A lot of times they've gotten warm, 674 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: pulled their covers back a wake an hour so later 675 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: it's only two of them, but yet they're tucked in tightly. 676 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: Things like that has happened. We used to have school, 677 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: or COVID has now kind of delayed us with everything. 678 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: But we're on the National Register of Historical Places, so 679 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: a lot of school groups come to visit us, and 680 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: I had had a couple of times. Same day, two 681 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: kids asked me, are you hungry? And one little girl 682 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: asked me, I guess she was. I don't know how 683 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: she was. She was in the elementary, but she was 684 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: with her mother and there was a group of about 685 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: fifteen of them and we were waiting for them to 686 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: tap their turn to go into the house. I was 687 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: just killing time and talking to him or whatever. And 688 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: when I got to the end of the line, she 689 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: and her mother were the last people, and she said, 690 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: why are you dirty? And I kind of looked down 691 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: at myself because it was after lunch, you know, I'm 692 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: known to do that, and it looked pretty decent, you know, 693 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: I didn't look like I had it filled anything. And 694 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: she said, are you hungry? And I realized as she 695 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: was talking to me, she was looking to the side 696 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: of me, is if someone was behind me, and she 697 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: was not talking to me at all, but I was 698 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: trying to answer her. And then I said, honey, are 699 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: you talking to me? And she said no, and then 700 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: she turned around as if she was talking to someone 701 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: behind me, and uh. I looked at her mother, and 702 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: her mother looked at me kind of smiled or whatever, 703 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: because she never want to I don't know how parents feel, 704 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: so we never said, oh, she sees a ghost and 705 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: their children, so I didn't. I was waiting for the 706 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: next step from her parents, and then her mother kind 707 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: of winked at me, and I waked my eye back. 708 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: And then after they went in, the mother stayed out 709 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: and talked to me for a second and she said, 710 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: I really think she was talking to someone else behind you. 711 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I get that feeling too. Yeah. I mean, 712 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: that's really the way to handle it. We've always asked 713 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: me like how to handle ghosts and children, and I 714 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: feel like you guys were doing the exact correct thing. 715 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: Was just kind of not make a big deal out 716 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: of it, because then that makes them afraid, whereas if 717 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: you just kind of act like it's, you know, just 718 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: a normal happening. Then they just move on from it 719 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: and don't dwell on it. You know, they see things 720 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: I believe very often that we do not. I had 721 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: a young man with his grandfather and they came on 722 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: tour and I was just talking to him or whatever, 723 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: and if we have extra time, we listened to a 724 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: story that they want to tell. And this gentleman told me. 725 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: He said he and his grandson were arriving around on 726 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: their property and they do it almost every other evening 727 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: on a four wheeler. And when his grandson was younger 728 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: and the little boy was about ten at the time, 729 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: they were using us. When the little boy was young 730 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: or he would tell his grandfather to stop by this 731 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: house that used to belong to an old lady that 732 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: lived on the property way before he bought it. And 733 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't get off before Willow, but he would wave 734 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: that Miscedi, and he would do it. You know, he 735 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: just do it because he asked him to. We do 736 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: all you things to our grandchildren. And so this particular evening, 737 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: after he stopped seeing Mercedie and she would wave at 738 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 1: him from the porch, his grandfather stopped by Mercedes house, 739 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, gave it a pause and he said, pahpa, 740 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: while you stopping, He said, don't you want to wave 741 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: that mess? Sadies said, Mercedes not here anymore. She's gonna heaven. 742 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: And so after that they never stopped by Mercedes house. 743 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: But when he was at the Myrtles, we were talking, 744 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: we were in the ladies parlor. He had his attention 745 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: to the gentleman's parlor, which is right next door for 746 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: some reason, and eventually, you know, he moved a little 747 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: bit towards the parlor, moved a little more, and we 748 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: knew as if he wanted to go in that room, 749 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: and he couldn't wait for us, So I told his 750 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: grand aither he could go ahead. So he went in 751 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: the room, and he went to the corner. And when 752 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: he went to that corner, I knew was the corner 753 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of kids have said that there's a 754 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: little boy playing marbles. And I didn't hear the marbles 755 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: on the floor, because sometimes we've heard that it's a 756 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: wood floor. But he went in that corner and he 757 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: acted if he was talking to someone. So he held 758 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: his little hand out and then he closed it and 759 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: we kept, you know, we kept talking to each other. 760 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: And when he got into the next room, he opened 761 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: his little hand to show his papa that he had 762 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: a rock, and his papa asked, Hi, where did he 763 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: get the rock? Prom he pointed, in there, a child 764 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: gave it to him. In there, he said, And then 765 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he stopped talking to us about it, 766 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: and he did his little finger over his lips like 767 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,240 Speaker 1: you would do when you were saying, you know, be quiet, 768 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: And so he did that, and we knew that the 769 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: person in there that he was seeing and we could 770 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: not was telling him not to talk to us about it. 771 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: If they sound like such interactive spirits, you know, the 772 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: fact that people see them so strongly and think that 773 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: they're just a living human being is so fascinating to me. 774 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: Like how often are people having experiences there? Well, when 775 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 1: I was there on a daily basis, it was something 776 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: that we could not predict. It would at least a 777 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: month would not go by without someone having something happened. 778 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of times they didn't realize that at 779 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: the time. They would send us photographs back saying who 780 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: is this? You know, and of course you know you 781 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: can't always answer, you can. Yeah, In fact, you never 782 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: are sure of an answer, but you can tell them 783 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: what this story was told about this area. You know. 784 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: But some people I think are attracted to persons from 785 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: their past. You know. I think that sometimes people from 786 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: their past seemed to kind of connect at the myrtles. 787 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: And I could be wrong about that, but I've seen 788 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: so many times. We had some guests that came to 789 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: visit and they went on a trip that they do 790 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 1: every year. Well, unfortunately one of their friends had passed 791 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: on and he was not able to come on this trip. 792 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: They sent me a photograph and they said, look at this. Well, 793 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photographs and I don't know because 794 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: everyone seems like, you know, just normal. And I thought 795 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: they meant I could see something in the background like 796 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: other photographs. Who is this or whatever? But then when 797 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: I looked at the two pictures that they sent me, 798 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: I saw nothing. And then on the little letter that 799 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: they sent me, which I should have read first, I 800 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: guess the little note it says that Don is here, 801 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: and so then they have a little arrow that they 802 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: drew to the man that is done. Well, Don looks 803 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: like everyone else to me, but Don is the person 804 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: that was no longer with them. That is wild. It 805 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: makes me wonder, like, what is it about the myrtles, 806 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: Like what's going on there? You know, no, I know, 807 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: but it's look not to be and I know you're 808 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: not because you're so used to this and you travel 809 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: to other places so much, and people are just so 810 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: they're not like they used to be. You know. It's 811 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: nothing to scare you. It's just I know, it's kind 812 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: of unbelievable, but it happens, you know, it just happens. 813 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why they're drawn to the myrtles. 814 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: I know that we have a lot of past that 815 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: involves you know, ghosts and mysteries and whatever, but it 816 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: continues to happen. It just rolls on. We've had guests 817 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: that have stayed in one room and the ladies they're 818 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: overwhelmed with sadness for some reason, so much so that 819 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: they're shedding a little tear and they don't know why. 820 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: But we are sensitive as women, and a lot of 821 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: times too if it involves a child, that really kicks in. 822 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: So this particular room, the family Williams Room, there's always 823 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: kind of a sadness there and people have said the 824 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: children still play in the closet there, and I do 825 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, I mean, now you're you're making me 826 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: want to visit even more. I always have wanted to visit. Now, 827 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: how did everything I knew that IDA didn't really affect 828 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: that area in particular, but I know the Myrtles was 829 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: housing some evacuees and everything. So how are things bearing 830 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: there now? Everything is going as well as can be expected. 831 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: And we were lucky in this area, so we were 832 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: able to help our neighbors and help our friends. And 833 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: the Myrtles still has some guests staying with us because 834 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: they're unable to go to their home right now, and 835 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. But in fact, you know, Louisiana, 836 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: you've seen it on all of our commercials and it's 837 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: really really true. As our Lieutenant governor and our governor says, 838 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 1: we're set of people that look out for each other 839 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: and we're strong people and we're not leaving this area 840 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 1: because of hurricane and whatever else because we love where 841 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: we are. But to answer you, the Myrtles is still 842 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: sheltering people and we'll continue to do it as long 843 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: as needed. And that's just the way it is. Well, 844 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: Louisiana is one of my absolute favorite places to visit. 845 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 1: I've been really fortunate to see quite a bit of 846 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: the state, but I definitely need to at the Myrtles 847 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: off at some point very soon. I do really appreciate 848 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: you sitting and telling us some great stories, and I 849 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: think everyone's interest is very peaked. I'm sure people will 850 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: be paying a visit very soon. If they want to 851 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: book a day or anything, they just head to the website. 852 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: Right are you guys doing tours right now? We are. 853 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: We only close for tour of the short period that 854 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: you know we're asked to because of COVID, but everything 855 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: is as close to normal as we can get it, 856 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: and we welcome our guests. Bed and Breakfast still open. 857 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: As I said, our restaurant is outstanding and some of 858 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: the food that you will only get in the South 859 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: is certainly there. But you know, we have tours every 860 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: day and of course in the evenings. This is what 861 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 1: really is exciting to me, and I love it because 862 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: on Friday and Saturday nights we still do evening tours 863 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: and those tours are focused on nothing but ghost stories 864 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 1: and I love that and a lot of times when 865 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: our GUIDs start the tours, you'll have someone. It's like 866 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: children in a classroom have someone in the back wants 867 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: to say something and they will raise their handle and 868 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: they have a story to tell, and we take time 869 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: for that because it's an our tour and it's it's enjoyable. 870 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: I love that you guys are doing that because I mean, 871 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: I just feel like the history of the Myrtles is 872 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: incredibly important, and then I think sometimes when you add 873 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: in ghost stories and legends and mysteries, it just really 874 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 1: gets people interested and you know, they learned so much 875 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: as a byproduct with that as well. So I love 876 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: what you're all doing there and I can't wait to visit. 877 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for spending some time with me. 878 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: I know we went back and forth trying to make 879 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: this interview happened. I'm so glad it finally happened, and 880 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it that it happened as well. And 881 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I missed you on Friday, But you 882 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Franceville is a beautiful town anyway, 883 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: So you know, we have other plantations as well, so 884 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we're just in the heart of everything, and 885 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 1: I want you to come and please let me know 886 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: when you're coming. It's gonna be being news anyway, probably 887 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: everyone will know. But let me know when you're coming 888 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: so we can meet each other. I would love that 889 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: so thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time. 890 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, love Blaye bye. The reason I 891 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: cited the Philip experiment at the beginning of the podcast 892 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 1: was because, after going through the history and research of 893 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: the Myrtles, I was convinced the story of Chloe was 894 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: a legend, a story passed down for decades, something we 895 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: see all too often in the paranormal. Many times these 896 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: bits of misinformation can be truly harmful because they cause 897 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,879 Speaker 1: existing spirits to be misidentified or ignored and in turn frustrated. 898 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 1: But as I spoke with Miss Hester and she relaid 899 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: the story of Chloe so strongly, it dawned on me 900 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,359 Speaker 1: that whether the story of Chloe actually happened, it has 901 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: been so long perpetuated one way or another at the 902 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,439 Speaker 1: Myrtles and become so incredibly detailed and elaborate that our 903 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,760 Speaker 1: creation of Chloe could very well be walking those halls. 904 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: The same apply is for every other rumored spirit or 905 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: death that took place there. Maybe William didn't make it 906 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: to step seventeen and fall dead in that spot. But 907 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: in our minds he did. In the minds of the 908 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of people who have visited, they all 909 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: stared at those steps. They all envisioned this man making 910 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: it to step seventeen and collapsing in his love's arms, 911 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 1: And then slowly the footsteps started. Am I saying this 912 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: is for sure what's occurring at the Myrtles? Absolutely not. 913 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: I have yet to set foot inside. To be honest, 914 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: the stories of Chloe could very well be true, just 915 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,919 Speaker 1: documentation of it well and purposefully hidden, as we've seen 916 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: in so many other tragic instances when researching enslaved people 917 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: of that time. Yet, if it is what's happening there, 918 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: what does that mean for other hauntings? How do we 919 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,839 Speaker 1: determine which are of actual spiritual origin and which are 920 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 1: coming from us? Regardless, as Miss Hester seemed to allude to, 921 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 1: there is something very peculiar and very special happening at 922 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: the Myrtles, something that seems very different from any haunting 923 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 1: I've encountered before. Armed with all this information, theory and speculation, 924 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: I intend to visit very soon, and I hope you 925 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: will too, Haunted Road is a production of I Heart 926 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 1: Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast 927 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: is written and hosted by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include 928 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. The show is 929 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: produced by rema Ill Kali and Trevor Young. 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