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Speaker 4: Hello, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Girls Talk Boys Talk.
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Speaker 4: got big shoes to fill, though I realize that definitely
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Speaker 4: day off. Well deserved rest day for our queen. I mean, listen,
Speaker 4: it's been a long week for a lot of us. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Cowboys Nation this The game didn't help. The
Speaker 4: developments after the game didn't help.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so uh, but you know what we're alling together well.
Speaker 5: And the fact that it was a Sunday night. On
Speaker 5: top of that, those Sunday night games are already brutal.
Speaker 5: The scaries, they really those scaries hit you have Sunday night,
Speaker 5: and then all of everything else that just piled on
Speaker 5: top of it, had the bubble dishaus Monday.
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Speaker 5: It's it's all open, it's all out there at this
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Speaker 7: Hey, listen, Yeah, I get the beg's before the game.
Speaker 7: You know, I don't have no show. I feel like
Speaker 7: I bet you a lot of players get the beg's
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Speaker 6: It's a real thing.
Speaker 7: It's a real thing.
Speaker 6: It's a real thing.
Speaker 7: Okay, help what your nervous system does.
Speaker 5: It's an anxiety things.
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Speaker 4: All right, So I do want to jump in though,
Speaker 4: because while we're getting Ash's mic fixed, we are also
Speaker 4: trying to simultaneously fix our quarterback and Dak Prescott had
Speaker 4: surgery yesterday on his thumb. I did tell you guys
Speaker 4: yesterday I had like a similar injury in high school.
Speaker 6: Didn't have to get the plate.
Speaker 4: And again I wanted to preface what I was telling
Speaker 4: you guys yesterday and how it took like almost eight
Speaker 4: weeks from me listen, I am not a professional outrack.
Speaker 4: I was not dealing with professional training staff who can
Speaker 4: get me upright in like a shortened amount of time.
Speaker 4: So I want to make sure we all are aware
Speaker 4: of that. Take my analysis in that regard with my
Speaker 4: experience the great of Salt, but someone who did have
Speaker 4: some thoughts that I thought were pretty interesting. Nevertheless, we're
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones, and so we're gonna pop over to that
Speaker 4: quote real quick. He had his weekly appearance. I want
Speaker 4: to part through the fan and we're here. We had
Speaker 4: to say right.
Speaker 8: Now, if you know, in medical nobody knows those timelines good.
Speaker 8: But if we thought he wasn't going to be ready
Speaker 8: to go for four games till after four games, we
Speaker 8: would put him on that hour. We're not doing that.
Speaker 8: We think he can come in and play, so we
Speaker 8: don't want to not have him out there practicing. We
Speaker 8: want him getting prepared and we'll see how he handles
Speaker 8: us saying hat heals mainly how he can his strength,
Speaker 8: can grip the ball, what his status is, But that's
Speaker 8: not being an optimist. The proof is that we've got
Speaker 8: a good surgery, got good technique, and feel better about
Speaker 8: it than we did Sunday night.
Speaker 4: So the main takeaway from that, The shocking takeaway from that,
Speaker 4: I think is the four week timetable.
Speaker 6: You can call it shocking. I personally, I was surprised
Speaker 6: to hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does it feel like this team might be pushing
Speaker 4: him to get on the field sooner rather than later?
Speaker 4: I mean, what were your thoughts on hearing that four
Speaker 4: week estimate that would put him at the Rams game? Okay,
Speaker 4: so he had the surgery yesterday, went to a specialist.
Speaker 6: We all know that's kind of the drill.
Speaker 4: But I think the early projections were six to eight weeks,
Speaker 4: and now they're saying four.
Speaker 6: Jess, are you feeling comfortable with that number? Are you little.
Speaker 4: Nervous about what Jerry has to say about his potential return.
Speaker 5: Look, here's the thing. I always get nervous about players
Speaker 5: returning from any form of injury. So that's always a
Speaker 5: worry that you're putting them back in too quickly. However,
Speaker 5: you're talking about your franchise quarterback, you're talking about your
Speaker 5: QB one, and you're talking about his throwing hand. I
Speaker 5: think it would be one thing if it wasn't his
Speaker 5: throwing hand already an injury that is worth keeping an
Speaker 5: eye on. You need both of your hands right, it's
Speaker 5: your throwing hand. And I think my biggest fear would
Speaker 5: be bringing him back too early, and with that you
Speaker 5: reinjure and then you're in an even worse position than
Speaker 5: you were before, and very similar to what we saw
Speaker 5: happen with the Bucks side of the ball with Chris Godwin.
Speaker 5: And I think reaggravating an injury is just something that
Speaker 5: you really have to be careful with. And what I
Speaker 5: don't want to happen is say the Cowboys don't put
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott on IR, which they're not going to, and
Speaker 5: what if he not ready at that point then what
Speaker 5: So it's kind of I think pushing him to come
Speaker 5: back a little too early. I'm not a doctor though,
Speaker 5: so I'm not a surgeon. I didn't see what he
Speaker 5: was working with. But to me, it seems a little
Speaker 5: premature to uh, really, just to be honest, make Dak
Speaker 5: the scapegoat for saving the season if it's in a
Speaker 5: hole at that point, because if the Cowboys aren't winning,
Speaker 5: and there's so many factors that go into it, right,
Speaker 5: is if the Cowboys aren't winning at that point, then yeah,
Speaker 5: they're they're going to be in more of a rush
Speaker 5: to bring him back. If they are, though, then you
Speaker 5: kind of have the leeway to say, Okay, well, you
Speaker 5: know we're winning, We're in a good position. I just
Speaker 5: I think it's too premature to make that decision right now.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I'll second that. I hearing the news, I
Speaker 7: was like, okay, because you know, like you were saying,
Speaker 7: Kelsey about your personal story, I asked a couple of
Speaker 7: my friends that have play at the game and have
Speaker 7: had similar injuries. It depends on the player. It also
Speaker 7: depends on how it breaks, if it's clean break, it
Speaker 7: depends on if there's any ligaments broken. So I still
Speaker 7: want to hear a little bit more information as to
Speaker 7: why they came to that conclusion. However, I will say
Speaker 7: that with what you were saying, yes about him being
Speaker 7: rushed back and stuff like that, I don't know how
Speaker 7: all of ir and all that stuff works. But if
Speaker 7: they don't put him on I R and he's not
Speaker 7: starting at game four, game three or whatever, maybe they
Speaker 7: maybe they still want the opportunity to be able to
Speaker 7: slowly ease him back into playing. So that may be
Speaker 7: the reason why. And that because you may see Cooper
Speaker 7: Rush or Wilger opinion. You know, play play my dad.
Speaker 7: You might see them play. You might see them play, right.
Speaker 7: But then in this like three game, that third game,
Speaker 7: three or four, whatever, maybe Dak plays the second half maybe,
Speaker 7: or you know, maybe they just started easing him with snaps.
Speaker 7: So I kind of want to keep my ears low
Speaker 7: to the ground and see what happens with that. But
Speaker 7: when you're talking about I don't know if I know
Speaker 7: we're gonna get into it, like more about the game,
Speaker 7: because I still got a lot to say. But in
Speaker 7: regard to his in regard to his injury, I feel
Speaker 7: like I definitely was positive about it because I think
Speaker 7: one thing we also have to understand too, is that
Speaker 7: Dak is a diligent worker and whatever way he can
Speaker 7: get back on the field, he's going to. They were
Speaker 7: talking about he was even having surgery the same night
Speaker 7: if he would have, if he would have had the
Speaker 7: opportunity to, So I think that's something we also have
Speaker 7: to consider when we're talking about players coming back from injury. Yes,
Speaker 7: Britt Brown and them, they're fantastic at what they do.
Speaker 7: What they did with Jayalen Smith was insane. Yes, that magic,
Speaker 7: absolutely magic. As someone that has nerve damaged down my
Speaker 7: left leg insane what they were able to do with him.
Speaker 7: So I definitely have faith in the Cowboys training staff
Speaker 7: and then being able to help him. But I definitely
Speaker 7: want us to keep considering the quarterback and how the
Speaker 7: quarterback works. And this quarterback wants to be on the field,
Speaker 7: so he's probably gonna do everything he possibly can to
Speaker 7: do that. So I just wanted to consider him.
Speaker 5: There, Kelsey, I wanted to ask you yesterday. I meant
Speaker 5: to ask you after that surgery, what did your thumb
Speaker 5: feel like? And even now that it's years later, is
Speaker 5: there some things or some some ways you can't really
Speaker 5: move it? And again we're not saying that it's it's
Speaker 5: the right comparison, right, we just said that, but sure,
Speaker 5: I'm just curious. Is there any limitations you have with
Speaker 5: your thumb that maybe you know you've noticed or anything
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 6: None, honestly, I mean, it really was. It's just like
Speaker 6: a pin I have. I have a scar. I have
Speaker 6: a little scar.
Speaker 4: If I could, if I felt like I you'd be
Speaker 4: able to see it. It's so it's so small you
Speaker 4: can't even tell it's there. All right, you have a
Speaker 4: scar because they.
Speaker 6: Literally put a pin. This is my specific surgery.
Speaker 4: They put a pin through my thumb to like connect
Speaker 4: the bones again, and you just had to like it
Speaker 4: would just look like a little like.
Speaker 6: I don't even know.
Speaker 4: It just was a pin through my thumb, and honestly,
Speaker 4: everything's fine. I don't even remember that I have it. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, I have full confidence. Like you said in
Speaker 4: this training stuff, I'm not worried about them. I think
Speaker 4: the one thing, I think you made a really good point.
Speaker 4: So when you do go to IR, you don't have
Speaker 4: the ability to participate in some of the activities with
Speaker 4: the practice.
Speaker 7: They want him to practice, they want him to stay around.
Speaker 7: They want him to because this is a young receiving
Speaker 7: core like we were talking about and stuff. So I
Speaker 7: definitely feel like they just wanted to keep the option
Speaker 7: of him being on the field because it is also
Speaker 7: because it is a thumb thing. And if I and
Speaker 7: I do believe if what if it wasn't a thumb,
Speaker 7: You've seen players have injury finger injuries and still play
Speaker 7: through them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think it was like big clubs track.
Speaker 7: So I'm sure he's I'm sure he's extremely frustrated because
Speaker 7: he's like, out of all the fingers I could have,
Speaker 7: he probably could have dealt with, you know, with the
Speaker 7: being able to grip the ball and stuff. So I
Speaker 7: think they just want him close and to continue to
Speaker 7: work with him. So I'm just I at this point
Speaker 7: just giving everything that's transpired. I'm learning myself to take
Speaker 7: things with a grain of salt, but with the supporting evidence.
Speaker 7: Once we get supporting evidence, once we get it, if
Speaker 7: we get any, and I'll go ahead and make a
Speaker 7: determination for it. But for Dak, I'm happy that it's
Speaker 7: not as serious or it's not going to be, because
Speaker 7: I think time away from the game is hard on him.
Speaker 7: So I definitely think this is good for him.
Speaker 4: Yes, we did talk about the backup court backage situation,
Speaker 4: and obviously I think you a preference.
Speaker 6: It sounds like you like.
Speaker 4: Will Greer, and I respect it because, like listen, I
Speaker 4: don't think in a training camp anyone thought that he
Speaker 4: would be giving Cooper Rush the time that he did.
Speaker 4: I mean listened like it was like I like to
Speaker 4: joke about Bendinucci. I'm a Bendinucci stand.
Speaker 5: I love them just about to bring him because it's
Speaker 5: just it's.
Speaker 4: Fun for me, like I go full blown like Internet
Speaker 4: on game day, like gets a little reckless. That's fine,
Speaker 4: like all caps Kelsey Okay, so you know, but I
Speaker 4: feel like, for me, how do you guys fee about
Speaker 4: the backup quarterback situation because at this point in time,
Speaker 4: it is going to be Cooper Rush is your number
Speaker 4: one guy. Yeah, but I think back to the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in the backup room in years past where I almost
Speaker 4: feel like we got a little spoiled dare I say
Speaker 4: with our backup quarterback situation and we had guys who
Speaker 4: were previous starters in the league who are backing up Dak,
Speaker 4: who are backing up Tony. So you knew when Kyle
Speaker 4: Orton went in the game he had done it before, right.
Speaker 4: You knew when Matt Castle went in the game that
Speaker 4: he had done that in Kansas City. Like, you didn't
Speaker 4: have to worry about that.
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: I mean you, it's very limited the time he spent
Speaker 4: as a starter on the NFL fields.
Speaker 7: I'm so my thing about Cooper Rush and all respect
Speaker 7: to him for what he did in Minnesota and obviously
Speaker 7: being around it sounds like Dak and him have a
Speaker 7: good relationship and he feeds he feeds information into DAK
Speaker 7: because sometimes I noticed that about back A lot of
Speaker 7: backup qbs. Some a lot of backup qbs know the game,
Speaker 7: they just struggle with still you know, the piece the executing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so ke.
Speaker 7: Literally, So there's still some there's still some you know,
Speaker 7: information he's getting there. But the thing that I saw
Speaker 7: with Cooper Rush in training camp, and this is something
Speaker 7: that happened last year as well, is that it just
Speaker 7: felt like that ball is late getting to those receivers.
Speaker 7: It's just not enough zip on it. And I in
Speaker 7: the preseason you even saw like the ball was so
Speaker 7: late that some of these wide receivers were put in
Speaker 7: weird positions. But I will also say this is a
Speaker 7: point that was brought up on Skywalker Steele's show earlier today. Hey,
Speaker 7: there is something to be said about the fact that
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush and Will Greer have gotten you know, numerous
Speaker 7: snaps in practice with those gentlemen, those you know, the
Speaker 7: to the Houston's, the Jalen Tovers, who I hope you
Speaker 7: talk about today like he like, So there is a
Speaker 7: little bit maybe you know, with DAK coming in no preseason,
Speaker 7: those guys maybe are not fully connected, but they they
Speaker 7: did have preseason games together, So I thought that was
Speaker 7: a good point.
Speaker 5: And to your point, you know what's man, I really
Speaker 5: wish it wasn't a form of foreshadowing during the preseason
Speaker 5: or the preseason, the pregame warmups on Sunday, my dad
Speaker 5: and I were sitting there watching Dak and we were
Speaker 5: watching Cooper Rush, and we were sitting there comparing the
Speaker 5: You like, look at how how nippy Dak is when.
Speaker 6: You did this to us, Jesse, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be the bad omen. Nobody tweet
Speaker 5: me tell me I'm the bad omen. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: But you can see it. You can see the visible difference.
Speaker 5: But to your point about him working with all of
Speaker 5: really the wide receivers through throughout training camp, do I
Speaker 5: have as much faith in Cooper Rush as I do
Speaker 5: in Dak Prescott. No, obviously, nobody will. He is your
Speaker 5: second string quarterback for a reason. However, I would feel
Speaker 5: a little more nervous if he didn't get as many
Speaker 5: snaps as he did during the preseason, both him and
Speaker 5: Will Greer, and mostly him, because Will Greer was down
Speaker 5: for a good amount of the preseason, so he was
Speaker 5: really having that time to connect with the wide receivers
Speaker 5: to make those connections, and looking back now, is probably
Speaker 5: a good thing that he did get those preseason snaps
Speaker 5: and he got those practices, and he was getting those
Speaker 5: second reps right behind Dak. And I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 5: one hundred percent confident in him, because everybody has a
Speaker 5: right to be nervous when you're talking about a backup quarterback, right,
Speaker 5: But I think people aren't giving him enough credit to
Speaker 5: the work he did put in this preseason during the
Speaker 5: off season that he did, and the guys have the
Speaker 5: respect for him in the locker room. It's not like
Speaker 5: he's just walking in here. He has those pre established
Speaker 5: relationships with these guys. He's been here. He's somebody that
Speaker 5: they look up to in their respect. So that's hard
Speaker 5: to earn as well well.
Speaker 7: I will also say, and I'll let you go ahead, Kelsey,
Speaker 7: but I wanted to say with the will Will Grier thing.
Speaker 7: I when you know Will Gear started, you know, kind
Speaker 7: of competing with Cooper Rush for that position, I said
Speaker 7: to myself, like, which quarterback if Dak was to go down,
Speaker 7: which quarterback is going to cause me to have to
Speaker 7: change my offense? More and right now even more, especially
Speaker 7: that to me, he is Cooper Rush because of the
Speaker 7: really because of the lack of mobility. I don't know
Speaker 7: what it sounds like, the Cowboys want Cooper Rush under center.
Speaker 7: I will say that Jerry did say when he was
Speaker 7: doing his interview earlier, he mentioned will Gear's name. He
Speaker 7: mentioned the competition, he mentioned what they saw, and you know,
Speaker 7: like we know how those interviews go sometime, but I
Speaker 7: did take some good information from there, and I felt
Speaker 7: like I was just even happy they were mentioning he
Speaker 7: mentioned his name, because I mean, you haven't even been
Speaker 7: hearing his name in this conversation since Dak went down.
Speaker 7: It was Cooper Rush automatically. So I was very happy
Speaker 7: to hear even the idea of Will gre name being
Speaker 7: thrown out there because we haven't gotten to see him.
Speaker 7: And I don't know, I just think he gives gives
Speaker 7: this offense a better chance to you know, to keep
Speaker 7: moving the ball, like well, to move the ball. I
Speaker 7: just want absolutely and.
Speaker 6: We'll get literally, we'll get it.
Speaker 4: At well, we are going to talk about more of
Speaker 4: how this team is reacting to the situation at hand
Speaker 4: after the break. We've got some interesting thoughts and some
Speaker 4: developments that these players have been showcasing post game that
Speaker 4: more comming up next.
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Speaker 4: of the Dallas Cowboys. We're just talking before we get
Speaker 4: back into it about how like, I'm pretty sure we're
Speaker 4: talking about our dating lives and how I think if
Speaker 4: you're not a Cowboys fan, like I don't think it's
Speaker 4: gonna work like rot. I understand having a like a
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Speaker 4: couple for some people. But like every Sunday, you have
Speaker 4: to know what we're doing.
Speaker 5: Right well, and you have to keep up. And if
Speaker 5: you're gonna watch girls talk boys talk, which you absolutely should,
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Speaker 6: Absolutely not. Absolutely, that's a hard that's a hard line.
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Speaker 5: I just questioned the kind of person you are. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: So that would be our response if you came to
Speaker 4: us as a non Cowboys fan trying to hang out.
Speaker 6: With us for the long term.
Speaker 5: But I do want to dive.
Speaker 4: Into more of how the team is responding to this ugly,
Speaker 4: ugly game. I know you all saw it, so I
Speaker 4: hate to rub it in. I'm gonna say it again,
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys are the only team in Week one to
Speaker 4: not score a touchdown.
Speaker 6: So that is fun.
Speaker 4: Salt in wound, Yeah, salt And I just love how
Speaker 4: we keep collecting trophies of the wrong type.
Speaker 5: It's exactly what it is, and it's you know, to
Speaker 5: an extent, it's when is enough enough of this? And how?
Speaker 5: I mean we all hear it all the time, whether
Speaker 5: it's on Twitter, whether we're watching it, no matter what.
Speaker 5: Are these kind of things being brought up in the
Speaker 5: locker room? Is My question is, hey, guys, this is unacceptable,
Speaker 5: this is it's embarrassing really, and I think there are
Speaker 5: so many guys all this entire team deserves better than
Speaker 5: to be that low in the total pole across the NFL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's embarrassing, to say the least. I think that's
Speaker 4: the only way you can describe it. Yeah, But I
Speaker 4: do feel like as a player, this game is just
Speaker 4: as mental as it is physical, and you really do
Speaker 4: have to figure out how to have a short term memory.
Speaker 4: You know, that was obviously a terrible game. You have
Speaker 4: to be able to stand up and shake it off
Speaker 4: and move on. And I want to let you guys
Speaker 4: hear what Dalton Schultz had to say and get your
Speaker 4: thoughts on that, because I feel like he has emerged
Speaker 4: as a leader on this team in recent years, and
Speaker 4: I really love what he had to say. So Jazzy,
Speaker 4: let's let's hear what mister Schultz.
Speaker 13: I mean, not how we wanted to start the year off. Absolutely,
Speaker 13: But then again, obviously there's, like any first game, whether
Speaker 13: the winter lose, there's a lot of really good tape
Speaker 13: to watch. So that's all we can do is go back,
Speaker 13: you know, evaluate what we did, and come back ready
Speaker 13: to go next week.
Speaker 4: All right, So Ayisha, I mean thoughts because again, like
Speaker 4: he kind of he didn't even have an amazing game,
Speaker 4: but he at the same time had one of the
Speaker 4: best games of anyone who was on the Cowboys team.
Speaker 7: I wanted to so listening to the interview and listen
Speaker 7: to the players interviews, especially when you start talking about
Speaker 7: like tight end rewatching this game over and looking at
Speaker 7: the tape and stuff like, there's only so much some
Speaker 7: of these guys can do in these situations, and I
Speaker 7: really want to bring attention to the play calling, like
Speaker 7: it's I watched I watched the game over and over
Speaker 7: again because I thought I was tripping pain. I thought
Speaker 7: I was tripping because I kept seeing plays that I
Speaker 7: saw in the forty nine Ers game the Saints game
Speaker 7: last year. I started seeing a lot of the same
Speaker 7: thing happening. And it was really frustrating in this game too,
Speaker 7: because the Cowboys did have some success running the ball early.
Speaker 7: They did have some like the Titands were Peyton Hendershot
Speaker 7: was not afraid to get in there in block. I
Speaker 7: saw some good things from him. They were getting they
Speaker 7: had some success taking the edges, running the edges and
Speaker 7: scheming up things there, and they went away from it.
Speaker 7: And when they went away from it, it really at
Speaker 7: that point there's seventy b's and coverage they're rushing for
Speaker 7: like the Broncos did the blue print. Dang it, Honestly,
Speaker 7: there was no The lack of the lack of there
Speaker 7: not being a vertical threat really hurt the Cowboys. It
Speaker 7: desperately hurt the Cowboys. And I can't explain it, like
Speaker 7: there's a there's an element in football that I think
Speaker 7: doesn't get talked about a lot, and it's just player
Speaker 7: to player respect. What do you do well? We can
Speaker 7: sit here and talk about x's and o's all the
Speaker 7: time and stuff. But if that team doesn't respect what
Speaker 7: you do offensively, it doesn't It doesn't matter what you're flashing,
Speaker 7: it doesn't matter what's going on. And very quickly early
Speaker 7: in that game, you could tell that Tampa Bay said,
Speaker 7: we know y'all can't pass the ball. They were they
Speaker 7: were jumping routes, they were biting on everything. It was
Speaker 7: just so evident. And I just right now with this offense,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out where the preparation is because
Speaker 7: even casual fans can look at this game and say,
Speaker 7: why did you go away from the run?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: Why would you go away from the run? Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 7: averaging five point five point two yards to carry? Why
Speaker 7: would you go away from the run? And I mean, granted,
Speaker 7: your quarterback didn't play well. He didn't play well, but
Speaker 7: at the same time, it felt as though they were
Speaker 7: almost scheming into the worst parts of that of that defense.
Speaker 7: It was they played into what Tampa Bay wanted them
Speaker 7: to do. And it was so frustrating because you're waiting
Speaker 7: for a counter, you're waiting for what's the next thing,
Speaker 7: You're waiting for a second half adjustment. So excuse me
Speaker 7: for going on my rent, but when I hear dult Shows,
Speaker 7: who I think is trying to put forth the best
Speaker 7: effort he can in a contract on a franchise tag, Yep,
Speaker 7: this stuff can't happen. Penalties. We talked about penalties and
Speaker 7: granted and granted. We heard Kellen Kellen Moore comment on,
Speaker 7: you know, on guys, if they can't, if they can't
Speaker 7: hold up, if they can't play that role and you know,
Speaker 7: play that that position at a high level, then maybe
Speaker 7: you'll find another guy. And I feel for Terren still
Speaker 7: because he doesn't have a record of getting a whole
Speaker 7: bunch of pre snap stuff. But those were drive killers,
Speaker 7: and I'm just right right, I'm sorry, y'all right now
Speaker 7: where I'm at. It made me sad here in Dalton
Speaker 7: Shows because I'm like, he can only do so much
Speaker 7: as a receiver. He can only do so much for
Speaker 7: this offense. These receivers are gonna have to come on
Speaker 7: with it too.
Speaker 5: Well, and for Dalton Schultz to step up and be
Speaker 5: the leader of the offense, like you just said. And
Speaker 5: he's on that franchise tag, so this is his year
Speaker 5: to prove he is that guy. I am worth the
Speaker 5: So he made a statement early in this game to say, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm clutch, I'm here, I'm wide open. I'm gonna make
Speaker 5: myself wide open. And you know, again, that doesn't say
Speaker 5: much for the game that they had. But something else
Speaker 5: he said during that postgame interview in the locker room
Speaker 5: was he said, quote, you got two choices. You can
Speaker 5: either run away from the storm or you can run
Speaker 5: right into it. I know, myself included, and everybody in
Speaker 5: this locker room is running right into that. MF. That's
Speaker 5: just our approach. I'm not trying to get bleeped out everybody.
Speaker 6: I'm a podcast on here, but I can't relate.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing. I respect Dalton Schultz and the
Speaker 5: stance that he's taking is becoming really an offensive leader.
Speaker 5: Because looking back to his rookie season, everyone said, who
Speaker 5: Dalton Schultz, who's got He's not gonna be here this year,
Speaker 5: He's not gonna make the fifty three. We're never gonna
Speaker 5: hear that name again. He's really established who he is
Speaker 5: as a player for this team and in that tight
Speaker 5: end position, and I can I can respect that. However,
Speaker 5: you can only respect so much right when the other
Speaker 5: team has zero respect for you, especially early on. Like
Speaker 5: you said, I used it to your point when they
Speaker 5: saw exactly what they saw last time that they played them, like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be easy because it's the exact same thing.
Speaker 5: It's the exact same deficits that you had last season
Speaker 5: that ultimately one cost you the game and two that
Speaker 5: you still haven't changed. And I think the most frustrating thing,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm talking with my Cowboys fans side of
Speaker 5: my brain here is when when Jerry Jones or not
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones, when Mike McCarthy spoke yesterday in the press conference,
Speaker 5: he said, we're not changing anything. The play calling's not changing,
Speaker 5: and Kelsey, you said this something has to change. You
Speaker 5: have your backup quarterback yet who doesn't have the same
Speaker 5: play style as Deck.
Speaker 6: I'm literally I don't believe you when you say that
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 7: Well, well, when you're talking about not changing the play calling,
Speaker 7: if you don't change the play calling and get more
Speaker 7: receiving options on the field, then you're not nothing's gonna literally,
Speaker 7: there were so many plays when you look at the
Speaker 7: tape that there were only three receiving options at the
Speaker 7: end of like and I think and this could be me.
Speaker 7: They were sending the tight ends in to help, you know,
Speaker 7: out with the tackles. I think that they overhelped a
Speaker 7: little bit too much with Tyler Smith. And I understand,
Speaker 7: and I understand wanting to help, but there were quite
Speaker 7: a few instances where he had his guy. He was fine.
Speaker 7: But when you bring that tight end in there to chip,
Speaker 7: then they're not running route, right, they're not running around.
Speaker 6: That takes away one other offensive threat.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're not an option. And one of the biggest
Speaker 7: problems in this game yesterday, well yesterday Sunday, was that
Speaker 7: there were far more defensive players on the field and
Speaker 7: not enough receiving options. And that's scheme, yep, that scheme.
Speaker 7: That's preparation, and there was never an adjustment for that.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I'm fussing again.
Speaker 4: No, but I want to dive underneath, like the surface
Speaker 4: a little bit with that too, because you're talking about
Speaker 4: how you have a tight end there and everyone us
Speaker 4: included especially, I mean, I'll take credit for that.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 4: I'm worried about putting a rookie tackle out there at
Speaker 4: the left tackle position. So to me, it feels like
Speaker 4: mentally they're trying to be like, hey man, we got you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like we got you. But in doing that, are.
Speaker 5: You ouplimizing so many other things you are?
Speaker 4: And I also feel like, too, are you, as a
Speaker 4: coordinator betraying the trust of your team. We talked so
Speaker 4: much about culture and how people were bought into Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy and all of that, But then on the coordinator level,
Speaker 4: do your players trust you to ultimately scheme up the
Speaker 4: plays to get the job done.
Speaker 7: If you look at Okay, I'm not gonna no, I
Speaker 7: want to hear it.
Speaker 6: I want to let's because this type was littal.
Speaker 7: This tape was brutal. This tape was The tape was brutal.
Speaker 7: It was brutal because guys weren't finishing routes. Guys looked
Speaker 7: like they had checked out a certain place. Guys knew
Speaker 7: the ball wasn't going to them, so they didn't. It
Speaker 7: was a couple of times like I don't know if.
Speaker 4: They didn't go like full Jalen Smith though, like when
Speaker 4: he would like stop, I don't know.
Speaker 5: If you guys are level.
Speaker 7: I think well. The new level was having to watch
Speaker 7: that film over again, girl like it was very hard
Speaker 7: for me. I am emotionally drained. Yeah, play action five
Speaker 7: times five times. When you are averaging five point two
Speaker 7: yards of care, you have a young receiving core, you
Speaker 7: have to do things to listen. If you're not going
Speaker 7: to scheme, scheme waste for this this receiver corp to
Speaker 7: get open, you're either going to have to go at
Speaker 7: people early vertically and just at least at like the
Speaker 7: threats there have some success there, or you need to
Speaker 7: run the ball and make them.
Speaker 5: Well, here's your going. Here's the thing. All of this
Speaker 5: sounds like something that we've heard from so many people.
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy, Kellen Moore, Jerry Jones called fundamentals, what is
Speaker 5: going on? We're not even We're the Cowboys aren't even
Speaker 5: doing that. The Cowboys seem to have just ditched it.
Speaker 5: And really it's frustrating because I haven't I haven't had
Speaker 5: it in me to go back and watch the game issues.
Speaker 7: So I give you some Please don't make a.
Speaker 5: Say. I will say though, from what I saw at
Speaker 5: the game, they ditched it early. And I'm talking first
Speaker 5: end of first quarter. You knew what route we were
Speaker 5: going down. Whether you wanted to be in denial or not,
Speaker 5: you knew the Cowboys were not going to look good.
Speaker 5: There was hope at halftime, Hey, can we readjust? Can
Speaker 5: the Cowboys come out? Can they readjust? They can? They
Speaker 5: do all the things they need to do? And then
Speaker 5: you see them again the first possession of the third
Speaker 5: quarter the same thing. When do we go back to
Speaker 5: the fundamental of football and saying, finish your routes at least,
Speaker 5: at the very least, do the bare minimum. And I
Speaker 5: think that's so so frustrating and to your point another thing.
Speaker 5: You can only do so much when you have those
Speaker 5: momentum killers. And I'm gonna bring this up every day
Speaker 5: until we really don't see any more penalties coming from
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. The number one twenty seven? Everybody, why is
Speaker 5: that's significant? The amount of penalties the Cowboys had last
Speaker 5: year and the amount of penalties that killed the momentum
Speaker 5: this game and possibly gave the Cowboys uh more of
Speaker 5: one step forward twenty steps back, literally, because you are
Speaker 5: putting yourself in a worse position when you are struggling
Speaker 5: and you take the first down every single time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you don't have you can't get him down
Speaker 7: in distance with with no vertical threat right now, And
Speaker 7: I'm not saying ceedee, Lamb is not a vertical threat.
Speaker 7: Don't don't get it twisted. I think that he has
Speaker 7: the capability. He can't do it all, but tracking that, yeah,
Speaker 7: tracking that, and so another thing the Cowboys went to,
Speaker 7: so you just want to let.
Speaker 5: Fly, want to get it on the fly, saying hey,
Speaker 5: I have some.
Speaker 8: With us.
Speaker 7: But no, I definitely felt like there was no rhythm. Uh,
Speaker 7: there was never and and Dak needs a rhythm. I
Speaker 7: really expected for them to have the same approach as
Speaker 7: a Tampa Bay that, Hey, offensive line, you got some
Speaker 7: young guys on here, we're gonna try to get the
Speaker 7: ball out, have some quick eating intermedia routes and be
Speaker 7: successful there. And it was just nothing seemed like it
Speaker 7: was intentional. It was just like, oh, this is there,
Speaker 7: this is there, and it's just I can't explain it. It
Speaker 7: was too much slow, progressive developing plays for receivers, especially
Speaker 7: like a Dennis Houston who struggled to get off the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage within the bump and run. That's not it.
Speaker 5: And that's not it. We talked about Dennis Houston yesterday
Speaker 5: and I can see Dak wants him to be a
Speaker 5: clutch receiver. I can see that Dak was trying to
Speaker 5: get the ball to him, and whether it was a
Speaker 5: target issue or he was an open issue, whether it
Speaker 5: was both, whatever the case was, I just don't feel
Speaker 5: like these guys were set up for success in this game,
Speaker 5: and they weren't set up for success early on when
Speaker 5: the play calling didn't change. Kellen Moore starts off with
Speaker 5: these fancy play calls in the first quarter, first drive,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, Okay, I see you, I think, but
Speaker 5: what are we going to continue to do this? Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, so I don't know if I like
Speaker 5: this or not, but at least we're doing something different,
Speaker 5: question mark, Let's see what happens. And then by the
Speaker 5: end of the first quarter we're back to the same
Speaker 5: thing that we saw and the Cowboys season with a
Speaker 5: forty nine ers game, the exact same play calling or
Speaker 5: lack of that just doesn't work. And again, it's a
Speaker 5: scheme thing. The scheme is not working for the offense.
Speaker 5: And you even go back to some of those postgame
Speaker 5: pressers or media interviews in the locker room, and really
Speaker 5: you go back, de law is saying, you know, hey,
Speaker 5: the defense did a great job, right so he's saying
Speaker 5: their job is to create turnovers, give the offense more
Speaker 5: opportunity to score, and if they have to score, they
Speaker 5: have to do it. Y'all were doing that. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know that's what you were doing. The offense just
Speaker 5: has to finish the delivery there, he said. You know,
Speaker 5: now it's his job to get the soldiers in line
Speaker 5: and handle their jobs. Zeke mentioned to clean up the
Speaker 5: protection and clean up the penalties. Gee, I wonder why
Speaker 5: he mentioned that, because guess who else did Tyler Smith that,
Speaker 5: you know, the flags created missed opportunities. And then Dalton
Speaker 5: Schultz talked about his running into the storm but also
Speaker 5: mentioning too many penalties and they were beating themselves throughout
Speaker 5: the game, not playing easy, fundamental football. And then you know,
Speaker 5: you just keep hearing the same thing over and over
Speaker 5: these guys.
Speaker 4: And I actually want to break that down here in
Speaker 4: a minute, because I think all of us are in
Speaker 4: a position where we're just kind of beside ourselves. We're like,
Speaker 4: how did we go through last season and quite literally
Speaker 4: come out of that worse yea, and how did we
Speaker 4: expect to be better based off of a lack of action,
Speaker 4: a lack of discipline, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: So I do this thing in work where we kind
Speaker 4: of do like a debrief, we sum it at the
Speaker 4: end of an event of some sort, and we do
Speaker 4: key learning. So we're going to talk about key learnings
Speaker 4: coming up next to This team absolutely has to take
Speaker 4: away from that dumpster fire of a game. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't ever ever want to watch that film ever again.
Speaker 4: I don't think I can't imagine that you did that.
Speaker 4: I could never and just break it down for these
Speaker 4: guys and like, here's what you need to do to
Speaker 4: make sure to keep the team a float for when
Speaker 4: Dak is back.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everyone to the final segment. Girls Talk, Boys Talk,
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Speaker 4: So you know what, Listen, there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: silver linings in this last game. I probably pulled a well,
Speaker 4: maybe like a two or three. We'll get those at
Speaker 4: the end. But I do want to get key learnings
Speaker 4: you dug into the tape, Ayisha. So let's break it down.
Speaker 4: Let's make it really tangible, like a list, right, like
Speaker 4: a checklist, because apparently like this team needs that, and
Speaker 4: I'm okay with providing that.
Speaker 6: I'm a good list maker, Like, look, I got all these.
Speaker 5: Oh you're gonna say, how about we make a list,
Speaker 5: we keep it, and then we come back next week
Speaker 5: and we go over our lists.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 4: So what are some of the things that this team
Speaker 4: absolutely has to get right to keep themselves afloat? Honestly,
Speaker 4: dare I say, just through this next game.
Speaker 5: One day at a time?
Speaker 7: I would, honestly, I would think. We talked about the penalties.
Speaker 7: But don't get me, we stalked about the penalties. But
Speaker 7: just run the ball, just just it's I think it's
Speaker 7: difficult for teams to like stick with because it does
Speaker 7: drain the clock. There is anxiety involved in just having
Speaker 7: trust and running the ball. But your average, if you're
Speaker 7: averaging five point two yards a clip, why why Because
Speaker 7: eventually they're going to tire out or eventually they're gonna
Speaker 7: have to bring another guy down there, and that's gonna
Speaker 7: make things easier for your young receiver corps. The play
Speaker 7: action there was, like I talked about, there was only
Speaker 7: five play action play action plays, and they weren't they
Speaker 7: weren't there successful. They weren't designed that well either. So
Speaker 7: I feel like in this situation you saw some success
Speaker 7: running the ball. You did. Tyler Smith had his few
Speaker 7: little growing pains, but yo, he's moving people out the way.
Speaker 7: You have a guy that is gonna continue to develop,
Speaker 7: stay healthy. It's it's nice. McGovern went down and left
Speaker 7: guard Matt farnioc stock, get up off, get out of
Speaker 7: my business. So Matt farniec wants to break the fly.
Speaker 7: He stepped in and we saw it wasn't he didn't.
Speaker 7: It was his first debut, you know, at Liquard. But yeah,
Speaker 7: Jason Peters is insurance. Don't know what they're gonna do
Speaker 7: with him. That's what this old line could could make
Speaker 7: an upgrade there like you never know. And if you
Speaker 7: do do that, you already saw you could run the
Speaker 7: ball effectively without that, and the Bucks defense is no
Speaker 7: joke right there front, Steven is no joke. So with that,
Speaker 7: I am confident in the ability and I'm hoping that
Speaker 7: they continue to run the ball because I think if
Speaker 7: you don't, the past schemeing you're doing is not gonna
Speaker 7: do anything. You just have to run the ball and
Speaker 7: make somebody respect what you're doing.
Speaker 6: What about you, Jess.
Speaker 5: Okay, so obviously we're gonna stick to my least favorite
Speaker 5: favorite thing to talk about, which is penalty.
Speaker 6: I was waiting for this.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it every week until it doesn't happen. Boy,
Speaker 5: everything I feel like uh is Sandra Bullock and the
Speaker 5: Blindside and just like.
Speaker 4: Run the dang ball, I've never seen it just for
Speaker 4: the Kelsey Wait, no, I have just kiddie, just kidding.
Speaker 6: Don't don't hate me.
Speaker 5: You made me pull out the first kids last name. Okay, Well, anyway,
Speaker 5: so aside from the penalties, I added to that because
Speaker 5: you said, run the ball is on the list, but
Speaker 5: I put dot dot dot and stick to it because
Speaker 5: that's the key thing is sure you ran the ball.
Speaker 5: We saw that and it was working. But at what
Speaker 5: point are are we ditching the run game altogether? And
Speaker 5: Zeke's getting ten touches per game? U right, and it's unacceptable.
Speaker 5: So personally adding to the list, I want Zeke to
Speaker 5: bust a hundred yard. That is really the only way
Speaker 5: I think the Dallas Cowboys can really be effective in
Speaker 5: a game is when that man is eating, and he
Speaker 5: is eating one hundred yard games. We have seen it
Speaker 5: be successful. We have seen it, we know it can happen.
Speaker 5: We know he can do it. We know he's no
Speaker 5: longer injured this season, and he's healthy.
Speaker 7: He's ready.
Speaker 5: He looked gay when he was busting through. I was
Speaker 5: just waiting, just keep going, keep pounding it, keep going
Speaker 5: and running was he was ready for a game. And
Speaker 5: he came out also with something to prove because he
Speaker 5: had a lot of scrutiny. Let's tell what it is.
Speaker 5: He had a lot of scrutiny last season. Oh he's
Speaker 5: washed up, Oh he's not the running back and Tony Pollard.
Speaker 5: This he had a lot to prove, and Zeke just
Speaker 5: didn't have the opportunity to really shine like I think
Speaker 5: he was ready to. So for me, I'm adding to
Speaker 5: this list. I want to see Zeke have a one
Speaker 5: hundred yard game, and I will not minim anything a minimum,
Speaker 5: and I won't accept anything lesse than that.
Speaker 6: Let's go. I'm pretty picking into existence.
Speaker 4: No, but I'm an Actually I'm gonna I'm gonna build
Speaker 4: upon that, just because I feel like we've touched on
Speaker 4: this several times, and accountability is really important with this team.
Speaker 4: You got to have the guys in the field they're
Speaker 4: gonna make it happen. But I really it's equally as
Speaker 4: important that you have the guys who are scheming of
Speaker 4: the place, who are putting you in a position to succeed.
Speaker 4: And I really feel like this Cowboys offense looks one
Speaker 4: dimensional and the lack of in game adjustments is wildly
Speaker 4: concerning to me, and it just simply cannot happen anymore. Like,
Speaker 4: you absolutely have to be nimble, You have to adjust,
Speaker 4: You have to take what the defense is giving you
Speaker 4: and and do something with it like react respond. I
Speaker 4: know you had a plan, but if the plan shifts,
Speaker 4: take it day by day and do something with it,
Speaker 4: Like I need to see a little bit more of
Speaker 4: a dynamic effort if I will say.
Speaker 7: It does the effort it's gonna take with the with
Speaker 7: the loss of a Duck Prescott, Yes, it's gonna take
Speaker 7: all around effort, correct because because it's their losses were
Speaker 7: big prior to this, you know from in the receiver room.
Speaker 7: But now like with no no Dak Prescott, your receiver,
Speaker 7: I'm telling you, the receivers are gonna have to step
Speaker 7: it up a notch. And that's I mean, that's coming
Speaker 7: to every ball that's running each route as hard as
Speaker 7: you can because you don't know when you're gonna be open.
Speaker 5: And we already knew that the receivers for the Cowboys
Speaker 5: had to step up going into this game pre Dak injury.
Speaker 5: Now you're talking even more pressure because you now have
Speaker 5: to re establish that chemistry with Cooper Rush. Given we
Speaker 5: saw it during the preseason and like you talked about,
Speaker 5: that's going to become a factor that he did get
Speaker 5: a lot of those reps in. But they've been practicing
Speaker 5: with Dak getting ready for the Bucks game. So now
Speaker 5: you have to re establish that chemistry and you have
Speaker 5: even more to prove after the way that game ended,
Speaker 5: after being the only team in the NFL to not
Speaker 5: score a touchdown. You need to be in the end zone.
Speaker 5: All of you in the end zone. Sit in the
Speaker 5: end zone, like, let me go talk to that to
Speaker 5: you and be like, I want to see each and
Speaker 5: every one of you in the end zone this weekend,
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, that is a
Speaker 5: lot of them are younger players. It's demoralizing for them
Speaker 5: sure to sit there and say, oh, you guys can
Speaker 5: even make it in the end zone. It's so demoralizing,
Speaker 5: and I want to believe. I want to believe that
Speaker 5: they are so much better than what they showed us.
Speaker 5: And maybe that's the delusion. Maybe I'm not sure, but SKA,
Speaker 5: we saw so many better things in those joint practices
Speaker 5: and in the preseason snaps with some of the receivers
Speaker 5: that we're seeing right now, we saw great things from them.
Speaker 5: I just again, to your point, it's it's the first game.
Speaker 5: This guy's not falling. It's okay, everybody, we can breathe,
Speaker 5: we can be upset, but the guy's not falling. And
Speaker 5: so really to your point, though, I agree, I think
Speaker 5: a dynamic effort all around is much neat.
Speaker 4: Let's go Kellen. All right, guys, Well we are out
Speaker 4: of time. So those are some of our key learnings
Speaker 4: for the day. I'm gonna end it on a high
Speaker 4: note though, because you know what, I just feel like,
Speaker 4: little victories is how we like to play, especially in
Speaker 4: times like these. So our dear friend John Mashouda, who's
Speaker 4: just on the Beat Writer podcast before us, tweeted this
Speaker 4: little snippe it out. So just ending on this high note.
Speaker 4: Michah Parsons was explosive as a pass rusher. In Week one,
Speaker 4: he notched two sacks kids Tampa Bay and Tom Brady.
Speaker 4: Along with the sacks, Parsons led the team with two
Speaker 4: quarterback pressures and led the league in past rush win
Speaker 4: rate according to NFL's next Stats at sixty percent. So
Speaker 4: way to go, Micah. Guys, thanks for joining us. We
Speaker 4: do appreciate it. Jans Leader is back in the saddle tomorrow.
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