1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty enough, he 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Yetty well some business news. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: Today, Apple held their big annual launch event and unveiled 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: their latest products. Apple unveiled the new iPhone seventeen, which 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: comes in lavender, Sage, missed blue, and a few others. 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Is sound like women's deodoring. You get to pick which 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: stylish color that you want hidden under your giant rubber 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: phone case. 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: Body mentioned said the new AirPods will have an improved 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: fit if they analyze more than ten thousand and three 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: d ear scans. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: It's odd. 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: It's like after a decade, Apple looked at the air 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 3: pods and thought, hey, what if these fit? 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? I've always assumed I just have weird ears, so 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: I started to use in the new Have you used 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: any of the bone conductive earphone thingies that are popular? 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Are those the ones that are kind of against your skull? Yeah, 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: instead of in your ears? Yeah, Michael, you jump to 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the microphone there. 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: No, I want to know. I've been meaning to try 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: those out. How do they work? Jack? 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: I'd read about them. New York Times was raving about it, 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: and I got a fantastic I don't know. I'll never 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: wear them flipping things in my ears ever again in 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: my life because I find an annoying. I always feel 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: like they're about to fall out or they do fall 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: out or whatever. This just it's like it's up against 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: the bone behind your ears, and it's really conducting the 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: sound through your bones. It's not really your ear drums 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: hearing the sound. For a variety of reasons, I like 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the way it sounds better. It's better in terms of 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: like if you're worried about volume doing damage. It all 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 1: kinds of better for wearing at the gym and riding 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: my bike and everything like that. 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Love them, absolutely, love them. 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've hesitated to ever listen to anything riding my 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: bike because I hear the traffic around. 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: Well. 43 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: That's one of the things about these is you can 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: hear people talking to you in traffic and everything like 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: that and what you're listening to. The lane conductor would 46 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: be a good title for a horror movie, by the way, 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: it would. 48 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: It would. Yeah. Uh, and my wife has used them. 49 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: I'll have to try it. 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: Falon's joke there I've always wondered about the announcing new 51 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: colors for iPhones, and then and then certain colors selling out. 52 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: I have known zero. 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: People in my life who carry around their one thousand 54 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: dollars computer, which they call their phone, without a case 55 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: around it. 56 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: So you know what color mine is? No idea? Neither 57 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: do I. Yeah, I don't even remember what color mine 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: is because I've got a case on it. But so 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: how does that become a thing? The purple colors all 60 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: sold out? I don't care. We'll put a case on it. 61 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: So are you it's weird? I don't know. That's that's odd. 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: People are strange. I don't like humans. Yeah. 63 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: And then the new thinner iPhone. I don't know if 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: people were clamoring for that. I'll have to hold one 65 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: in my hand to see if I really dig it. 66 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: The Ultra three watch. I wear an Ultra April Ultra watch, 67 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: which is like having a TV screen on your wrist. 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: They've made a bigger one, so now even a bigger 69 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: screen on your wrist, if that's what you want. I 70 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: don't like wearing watches. I get sweaty. I got sweaty 71 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: wrists coming up. Vlad putin jabs NATO in the eye. 72 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: It's a huge provocation, escalation what will lead to we 73 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: don't know more on the Israeli attack on the Hamas 74 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: guys and Cutter and I've gotten now a clearer picture 75 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: of what happened with that whole five hundred South Koreans 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: deported from Georgia's story. It's just one more example of 77 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: how ridiculous our immigration system is. So stay with us 78 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: if you can. We can't gloss over this. You have 79 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: sweaty wrists. 80 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: Risk got sweaty. 81 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I wore a watch every day of my life from 82 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: age I don't know, I was a teenager on and 83 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: just I just lately have stopped. 84 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: Maybe it was COVID or something like that. I don't think. 85 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: I still like one on my wrist. I couldn't live 86 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: without my Apple Watch or twenty four like you were 87 00:03:59,360 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: with the iPad. 88 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: It's just it's fine if I need a watch, but 89 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: mostly I can't imagine why you'd need one. 90 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: But it works for you so good. 91 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: So is AI going to destroy the world of jobs? 92 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Some people say it will, some people say it won't, 93 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: and then some people are in between. And when is 94 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: a question also a pull out? The share of gen 95 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Z parents that believe a college degree guarantees long term 96 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: job security is down to sixteen percent, partially around AI. 97 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: That's the share of gen Z parents that believe a 98 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: college degree guarantees long term job security. 99 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: It's a. 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Well apparently a lot of people did, because it used 101 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: to be a lot higher number. Now it's down to 102 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: SA guarantees job secure. If you think you've got guaranteed 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: job security in any industry with any level of education 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: or skill, you're kind of dumb. 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: So I'm worried about it. For the government, Yeah, that's it. 106 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: You work for the government, and you're surrounded by people 107 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: who work for the government, so you think you get 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: one job and have it the rest of your life 109 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: and never can ever get fired. 110 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: That's what's going on there. 111 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I think I was in my earliest twenties gladys when 112 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my dad, who. 113 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: God bless him. 114 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: His birthday is on Thanksgiving Day, eighty fifth birthday this year, 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: and we're going to have a big get together, looking 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: forward to it. But Carsha, I was complaining he's going 117 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: to have his traditional birthday turkey. 118 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: That's right. 119 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: I was talking to him about the madness of the 120 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: radio industry there towards the beginning of my career and 121 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: before my long and glorious rise to mediocrity, And I said, 122 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: there are days I wish I had picked a of 123 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: a career path with job security. And he looked at 124 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: me and he said, quite sincerely, Yeah, which one is 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: that right? Because the economy is always changing, you have 126 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: to hustle to stay ahead to your point. 127 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: And yes, to that point. 128 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: Careers parents of gen Z say, A, I think are 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: AI resistant? Of course, we're all guessing. At this point 130 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: you're top ten counting up and this is from h Axios. 131 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: Put this chart out. Accountant they say that was number ten. 132 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why an accountant would be AI proof. 133 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: Seems like it's ripe for AI to me. But yeah, 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: that's counterintuitive. Digital marketer, data analyst. There's another one that 135 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: seems ripe for AI to me, software developer Lloyd. A minute, 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: then we all just learned that anybody can now have 137 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: AI rate your code for you. 138 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: They the only way I can grasp you're reading the 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: wrong list? Is this the most vulnerable to. 140 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: A The only thing I can grasp is that they 141 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: presented people with a list of these jobs and then 142 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: ranked them because there's very few people that Only ten 143 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: percent of parents thought an accountant was AI resistant, for instance. Anyway, 144 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I'll start at the top. Maybe it makes more sense 145 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: since I don't know how they ask the question. Plumber 146 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: over half of parents think if their kid becomes a plumber, 147 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: AI ain't gonna ruin that. They're right after that HVAC 148 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: technician person that comes and fixes your furnace in your 149 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: air condition then electrician almost certainly true. 150 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: Nurse is very high. 151 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Then practically everything else drops way, way, way, way way down. 152 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to robot nurse coming at me with 153 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: a needle, no way, including lawyer, which is only in 154 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: the twenty percentile. It depends on what kind of lawyer 155 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: you are. But a lot of lawyer work is going 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: to be AI. A lot of your lower end lawyer work. 157 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: Oh that reminds me. 158 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: The problem, of course with AI and law, as we've 159 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: discussed many times, is it tends to cook up these hallucinations. 160 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Its cases that don't exist in the rest of it. 161 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: And I texted Jack this privately last night. But I 162 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: was playing a song that I really like. I hadn't 163 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: played it for a long time, and I knew I 164 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: was getting one of the cords wrong, so I asked 165 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: chat GPT, hey give me the chords to this song 166 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: happens to be the absolutely brilliant Fisherman's Blues by the 167 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: water Boys, and it's four chords over and over again, 168 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and it gave me completely the wrong chords, I mean, 169 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: just just wrong. And I called it on it. I said, uh, 170 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: what did I say? I said, Hey, those chords are wrong. 171 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's g F to a minor C. 172 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: And they go, yeah, my bad, You're right, it is 173 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: what and here here you go. 174 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: Well, it like went. 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Into a frenzy for almost thirty seconds. Wow of like 176 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: the screen appearing and disappearing and then cycling through things 177 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: and then links appearing. 178 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: It was like, gym, we got it wrong. It was 179 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: like he was having some sort of seizure. 180 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: And finally, after actually it was thirty six seconds, it 181 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: tells me you're right, my bad. The classic water Boys 182 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: version uses the courts I described throughout intro verses and chorus. 183 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: Well what the hell happened the first time? 184 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: And it's funny because some of the things that appeared 185 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: then disappeared were like telling me what happened the first time, 186 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: but then they disappeared right. And the problem with that 187 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: is it was a topic where you could catch it 188 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: being wrong. 189 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: Whereas when I. 190 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Chat gpt'ed the population of Nepal the other day because 191 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: they're having a revolution, m hm, you could have told 192 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: me a wildly wrong number, just like it told you 193 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: the wildly wrong chords. 194 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't have known. Yeah, yeah, head scratcher. By 195 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: the way, did you hear how this revolution in Nepal started? 196 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Uh? 197 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a decent enough idea. 198 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: So it's a very poor country, and like lots of 199 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: poor countries, you haven't an elite that lives a completely 200 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: different life than like ninety five percent of the population. Well, 201 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: the super rich kids of the elite had been posting 202 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of look how cool my life is 203 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: stuff on social media, and it made people. I mean, 204 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, social media has got a comparison problem anyway, 205 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 1: even with just like your regular neighbors portraying their fantastic 206 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: vacation makes you bitter. But this was the super rich 207 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: while you're dirt poor, including a whole bunch of kids 208 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: of a one elite family showing a Christmas tree made 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: out of Louis Veton bags. They took their picture in 210 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: front of them. Oh that made the rounds on social media, 211 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: so people were in the streets. The government reacted by 212 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: canceling all social media because they thought that was the problem. 213 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: But sorry, Louis the sixteenth. Then you're a wife who said, 214 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: let the meat cake. 215 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: It's too late. 216 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Well, and the poor working stiffs because they have enormous 217 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: unemployment there, especially youth unemployment. Many many, many ne police 218 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: people go to foreign lands to work as laborers and 219 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: they stay in touch with their families via social media 220 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: and then they send back money to their family, the remittance, 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: as they call them, which really bail out to Nepalese economy. 222 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: And so double edged sword of. 223 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to cover up the Louis the fourteenth 224 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: lifestyle of our elite. And by the way, you can't 225 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: write home to your wife anymore. So and yeah, people 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: have gone nuts. I mean it's that's the straw that 227 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: broke the camel's back. Oh yeah, And there's been many 228 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: dead and all kinds of buildings burned down on that 229 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing. 230 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a serious revolution. But if you're dirt poor, that. 231 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: Smiling, cocky kids standing in front of their Louis Vauton 232 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: bag Christmas tree. 233 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, where's my bat. I'm gonna go smash some stuff. Yeah. Well, 234 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: and blatant corruption. 235 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: If there's a twenty five million dollar like international grant 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: to do something noble sounding, the elites of the country 237 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: drain twenty two million dollars of it into their accounts, 238 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: then they make this pathetic, half assed show of spending 239 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: that last three million. 240 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: But the people have caught onto it. Yeah, that's going 241 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: to be people hanging in the city squares. 242 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I know you had another economic thing. We have 243 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: other stuff to get to. What was that bo But 244 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: now we attacked another drug boat down there off of Venezuela. 245 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, coming back. Bad news. We have had a recession. 246 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: Good news. It's over seems crazy, but it makes sense. 247 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: One of the Wall Street's leading analysts with a really 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: intriguing contrarian opinion. 249 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't know that. Stay tuned. 250 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 5: Yesterday was Bernie Sanders' eighty fourth birthday. 251 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: Democrats promised him. 252 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: A cake, but then they gave it to Hillary. 253 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: That reminds me briefly AOC while she was on that 254 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: no oligarch's tour with Bernie, A bunch of the financials 255 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: got released over the weekend. She and all our people 256 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: were staying in the nicest hotel every town. They went 257 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: to this super expensive places while they're out there talking 258 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: about oligarchs. 259 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: And taxing the rich. 260 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, somehow the elites and socialism always do great. 261 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, and maybe we'll do this in our 262 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: four I'd almost forgotten that i'd gotten it. The Democratic 263 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Socialists of America, which Bernie and AOC and Mamdannie certainly 264 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: are down with what they actually believe, what they say 265 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: they believe in their own words. 266 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: It will shock you. 267 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: And the mainstream media is so awfully, evilly hilariously complicit 268 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: in it. Anyway, that's our four hooking stay tuned first 269 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: of all, and we won't dwell on this because. 270 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: It's freaking me out and it'll freak everybody out. 271 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: Health insurance costs for businesses are set to rized by 272 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the most in fifteen years this year. 273 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: To next year. Oof oof is right, something's. 274 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: Gotta give soon with our completely goof stup, messed up, dishonest, 275 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: heavily subsidized healthcare system. 276 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: As the population gets older and older. 277 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: Whatever that stat was the other day, I think one 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: out of six people are sixty five or older. And 279 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: that's when all your healthcare costs are starting to hit. Right. Well, 280 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: it's sixty five, you're on the government program. But you 281 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: get up into your fifties and sixties, you're starting to 282 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: spend a lot more money in the healthcare world. Yeah, 283 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: another conversation with Craig, the healthcare guru, coming up down 284 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: the road at some point, I'm sure. And then this 285 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: I found so interesting. One of the top analysts on 286 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street says you aren't crazy for thinking the economy 287 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: felt worse than it looked according to the quote unquote 288 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: official numbers for the last three years. This guy is 289 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Morgan Stanley's chief US equity strategist. That means he's Morgan 290 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: Stanley's number one stocks guy, and he believes we've been 291 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: in the midst of what he calls a rolling recept 292 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: for the past three years. And he talks about the 293 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: weak job numbers that keep being revised downward and how 294 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, like the second tier 295 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: numbers have been very, very soft, but the stock market 296 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: still looks good. 297 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: Jack three indexes hit records again yesterday. 298 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: But as you pointed out quite appropriately, more than once, 299 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: it's mostly a few tech stocks. 300 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that are really up. 301 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: But this guy's theory is, so i'll quote him, central 302 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: to our view is the notion that the economy has 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: been much weaker for many companies and consumers over the 304 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: past three years than what the headline economic statistics like 305 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: nominal GDP or employment suggest. In other words, amid the 306 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: many predictions of a recession about to hit the US 307 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: economy or a revival of nineteen seventy styled stagflation, Wilson, 308 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: this guy has been banging the drum that the recession 309 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: was already here, just into skyt Essentially, it was affecting 310 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: one sector of the economy pretty significantly for a year, 311 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: year and a half, but another sector over here, a 312 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: big one, was not as effected until oh now, now 313 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: they're really getting hammered. And they've cut way back on 314 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: hiring because there's been an eighty percent collapse in hiring 315 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: even as inflation has risen. 316 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: In layoffs rolled, as they put it. 317 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: But he just thinks that certain sectors of the economy 318 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: have been hiding how bad other sectors of the economy 319 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,119 Speaker 1: have been doing, and they have absolutely been in recession 320 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and they are getting hammered. But here's some good news, 321 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: he says, according to the data that we look at 322 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: to diagnose that the rolling secret bull market or bull 323 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: economy has actually begun already. 324 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so the worst is passed. Well, I hope 325 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: that's true. This guy thinks, yeah, I hope it's true too. 326 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: It'll all get gobbled up by your increasing healthcare costsman, oh, 327 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: I said, we're going to leave that behind. Sorry, So 328 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: overnight we got the closest we've come to a full 329 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: scale Europe versus Russia war in eighty years. That happened overnight. 330 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: If you didn't follow Poland shooting down a whole bunch 331 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: of Russian drones, what's going on there? All the details 332 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: coming up, it's a pretty big story, Armstrong and Geddy. 333 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the Prime Minister of Poland, 334 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Donald Tusk, who said, I have no reason to claim 335 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: we're on the brink of war with Russia, but a 336 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: line has been crossed and it's incomparably more dangerous than 337 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: it was before. What is he talking about, Well, here's 338 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: ABC News to spell it out for you. 339 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 6: Top officials here in Europe calling this the biggest violation 340 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 6: of NATO airspace by Russia since the war in Ukraine began, 341 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 6: and for the first time Poland, the key NATO ally 342 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 6: of the US, shooting down Russian drones breaching its airspace, 343 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 6: calling some of those drones a direct Threatland saying nineteen 344 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 6: Russian drones violating its airspace, Dutch and Polish warplanes downing 345 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 6: at least four of those drones which were considered a 346 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 6: direct threat. Polish officials seen inspecting the wreckage of a 347 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 6: Russian drone the roof of a residential building badly damaged 348 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 6: in eastern Poland, that breach of Polish espace, sparking condemnation 349 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 6: from European leaders. Poland holding emergency meetings this morning, consulting 350 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 6: with NATO allies, calling it a deliberate provocation, saying Moscow 351 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 6: is waging war with the whole Western world and warning 352 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 6: of the risk of open conflict with Russia. 353 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a big deal. 354 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson, who is a senior member 355 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: of the Foreign Affairs Committee here in the United States 356 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: and our Congress, called the incursion an act of war. 357 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: This is an act of war, and were grateful to 358 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: NATO allies from the swift response to war criminals Putin's 359 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: continued unprovoked aggression against free and productive nations. 360 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: You think it's an act of war. 361 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: Putin get away with saying, Ah, the accident, I was 362 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: using the metric system instead of the whatever, and I 363 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: misjudged her. Yeah, he'll say something implausible to make well. Overnight, 364 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: overnight they said, we've been shown no proof that these 365 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: were our drones, and they were not. 366 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: That's just what they always say about this sort of 367 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: current crap. 368 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Putin's deal is he probes, and he probes, and he probes, 369 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: looking for softness, looking for weakness. 370 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, he had been getting away with it now for 371 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: a while. I that's what I'm saying, Pushing further and further. 372 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: I followed the Ukraine War pretty closely on almost daily 373 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: basis with the Telegraph podcast that is so good. 374 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: And they've been talking. 375 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: About and h and bothered by more and more Russian objects, 376 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: drones of different sizes flying just barely cut in the 377 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: corner into Poland. They share a three hundred mile border, 378 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: a little more, little more, and they've been doing that 379 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: for weeks and then like really went in last night 380 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: and then got shot down by a whole bunch of jets. 381 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: James Travinus who used to be the military commander of NATO, 382 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: so he knows what he's talking about on CNN talking 383 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: about this today. 384 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: It could get very serious and Russia, of course nuclear armed, 385 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 4: NATO nuclear armed. What the polls are doing about it? 386 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: Smart move. They've convened in Article four meeting. We all 387 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 4: know Article five and attack on one is an attack 388 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 4: on all. 389 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: There's a step before that. 390 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: It's an Article four conference that's unfolding today in Brussels. 391 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: What I'm hoping to conclude is that the Russians will, 392 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: at a minimum say this is inadvertent. Those drones ended 393 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: up over there because the Ukrainians interfered with them electronically. 394 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: This could escalate in a very bad way. Again, guns 395 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: of August, how about the drones of September. 396 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm worried. WHOA she sounds heavy there at the end. 397 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine Putin thinking it's a good idea to 398 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: go to war with NATO. But he might actually believe 399 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Nadi would back down, and he there's a possibility he's right, 400 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah that I'm trying to come up with a rationale. 401 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Putin would be using to poke NATO this hard what 402 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: he's trying to get out of it, And the only 403 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: thing I can come up with is he's just testing defenses, 404 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: which is a thing Russian does routinely. They usually don't 405 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: fly this deep into somebody's airspace, but they just to 406 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: see how you would react and to study you. It's 407 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: like watching game film of another team. But to be 408 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: this blatant in this deep either the jamming actually did 409 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 1: you know send the drone somewhere they weren't supposed to go, 410 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: as Russia is claiming, although I assume most of what 411 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: they say is lies, or he's really really serious about 412 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: testing NATO's defenses for some reason. If I was in 413 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Estonia right now, I would be, you know, shining my gun. 414 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I would be making sure it's clean and ready to go. 415 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: Well. 416 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: That guns of August Drones of September reference was to 417 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: famous book about the beginning of World War One, and 418 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: the point being that minor little conflict turned into the 419 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: biggest war the world had ever seen. You never know 420 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: how these things are going to play out, right, I mean, 421 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: this is certainly could be as big a deal as 422 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in terms of setting off 423 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: a chain of events, it was a fine fella in all. 424 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: But yes, yes this is big. So Article five is 425 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: an attack on one is an attack on all. Article 426 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: four as if anything hinky happens, we get together. So 427 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: obviously they kind of get lighter and lighter as you 428 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: go up to chet. Article three is whoever brings coffee 429 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: and donuts rotates between the various member nations. Article two is, hey, 430 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was my seat. I'm supposed to sit there. 431 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: Any dispute over the seating will be settled by an 432 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: arbitration committee, because the US always wants to sit at 433 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: this seat by the window with a nice view. 434 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: Article one is a quick text what's up? So yeah, wow, 435 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: where this goes? Nobody knows? 436 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's act, this freaking provocative act. Yeah, and 437 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 7: in not a stony or some tiny little country, but 438 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 7: damned Poland, who has had Russian boots marching through their 439 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 7: country a variety of times over the centuries. 440 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Right right, all right, well, I guess that's enough of 441 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: that for now. It is an ongoing story. Yeah, they 442 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: just want it to be over, you know, I want 443 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: to talk about Israel's strike on the Hummas guys in 444 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: Cutter in a moment after a word from our friends 445 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: at Trust and Will need what I think I need 446 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: to add in? One more prune? 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So the daring strike against the 483 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: Hamas leaders in Cutter really royal to Middle East diplomats 484 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: are saying what they feel like they need to say. 485 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: In my opinion, uh, tut tutting, but they don't actually 486 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: mean a lot of it. 487 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: Do we have time for this? 488 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 8: This? 489 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: Should we take a break? Time for once in our lives? 490 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: We have a new richest person in the world. Is 491 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: that right? 492 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: Wow, we have a new richest person in the world. 493 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: How did you overtake Elon? 494 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll hit you with that. Is it that guy 495 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: with the luxury brands in France? No, Larry Ellison? Oh really? 496 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, Larry. One of yet once again tech stocks. 497 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: Getting to the point you were making earlier. Yeah, we 498 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: set records all the time. It's like four different stocks 499 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: though driving the whole thing. 500 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: It's a little misleading. 501 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: Anyway, we got a lot on the waist and they 502 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: can wear fast. 503 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, very quickly. We have a new richest man in 504 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: the world. 505 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: It is Larry Ellison of Oracle because of their a 506 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: I cloud technology. They had their quarter quarterly results come 507 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: out yesterday. He had an increase in his wealth of 508 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and one billion dollars in one day, what, 509 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: pushing him to almost four hundred billion dollars, which is 510 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: slightly ahead of Elon Musk. But the main point being 511 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: it's all about the AI stuff. People are betting on AI. 512 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: They believe it's going to be a big deal. I'm 513 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: probably lucky that I don't really have a clue as 514 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: to how true that is or not so I don't 515 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time worrying about it, Like the weather. 516 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: I will deal with it when it hits me in 517 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: the head. 518 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: There's that angle of it. 519 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: But I would but I would like to get in 520 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: on the gold rush while it's happening. 521 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I guess. 522 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: Ah, so big strike Israel hitting Hamas leaders in car 523 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: and very controversial allegedly, but is it really And some 524 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: of the statements being made by people I think are 525 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: really illuminating, like Benjamin Nett Yahoo said the days are over. 526 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: The terrorist leaders will have immunity anywhere. He just stated 527 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: that they don't care where you are anymore. And then 528 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: you had, you know, the US made a statement, the 529 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: president allegedly that. 530 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: This does not advance the goals of Israel or. 531 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: The United States, which is, as condemnations go, not one. 532 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: But guitar is a friend of the United States. Right, 533 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So you do have to be a little 534 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: bit careful and the message being sent. 535 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: You know what, there's this article I read in the 536 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal about this, and you have to read 537 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: between virtually every single line. But the message that's actually 538 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: being sent from the United States is, Look, this isn't 539 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna happen a lot, but it happened this once. Okay, okay, anyway, 540 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: the ambassador from Israel to the United States was on 541 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: a special report with Brett Beer last night in a 542 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: very very frank and revealing interview. I thought it was 543 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: so interesting and so clear as to Israel's intentions. 544 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: We'll start with the first clip, Michael, and go from there. 545 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 8: We don't have an issue with the people of Gaza. 546 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 8: We don't have an issue with the people of Qatar. 547 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 8: We have an issue with the people that leading Hamas, 548 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 8: and our Prime Minister has made it very clear from 549 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 8: October seventh, those who implemented the slaughter of our citizens 550 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 8: will pay the price, the ultimate price, and no matter 551 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 8: where they are, and we don't care anymore. 552 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: Next clip. 553 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 8: It's important to remember September nineteen seventy two Prime Minister 554 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 8: Golda Meir at the time after the Munich massacre, when 555 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 8: Palestinian terrorists slaughtered our eleven sportsmen in Munich, she gave 556 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 8: an order that everybody responsible for that murder, for that slaughter, 557 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 8: would pay the price, and it was carried out by 558 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 8: our Mosad and thirteen of those terrorists were eliminated. Tamas 559 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 8: terrorists are unnoticed. They are going to be eliminated. 560 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: Then this was a revealing quote as well, did you 561 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 2: get the targets you were seeking? 562 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 8: If we didn't get them this time, we'll get them 563 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 8: the next time. 564 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: There you go. 565 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: And it's not clear exactly who they got and who 566 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: they didn't get among the senior leadership. They definitely got 567 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: a couple of a handful of second level guys. Maybe 568 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: whether it was the big daddies or not, I don't know. 569 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: But then this is the clip where he restates what 570 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: I've believed for a long time is Israel's current point 571 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: of view. 572 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 8: Israel under Prime Minister Nataniell is changing the face of 573 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 8: the Middle East. We have degraded Fitzbala, We've degraded Hamas 574 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 8: the UTIs, and Iran the head of the snake that's 575 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 8: leading these proxies in effort to destroy Israel. When we 576 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 8: defeat these proxies of Iran, WI, we defeat Islamic extremism. 577 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 8: And actually that will benefit our neighbors in the region. 578 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 8: Horne moderate and want to live in a state of 579 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 8: peace with us. So right now we may be subject 580 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 8: to a little bit of criticism, they'll get over it 581 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 8: and Israel is being changed for the better. The region 582 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 8: is being changed for the better as we remove these 583 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 8: enemies of peace and these enemies of Western civilization from 584 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 8: their ability to implement terrorism. 585 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: I thought him saying they'll get over it was a 586 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: little more flippant than he needed to be. Yeah, it 587 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: was refreshing in that it was stating the case plainly, 588 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: because that's yeah. 589 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: I could have thought it two or three ways for 590 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 2: him to say that. 591 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 7: More. 592 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Well, what's the word diplomatically, since he's a diplomat, But 593 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. So yeah, they'll they'll rent and rave 594 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: and pound the table and condemn this and all, but 595 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: we'll be meeting with them next week. 596 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: So actually, I thought it was an interesting question. Brett 597 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: Bhair asked him. 598 00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: So critics would say, Hamas assigns a couple of people 599 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: to engage in peace talks and you don't like the 600 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: way they're going, and so you obliterate them. 601 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean, so how are you goingdaver gonna get any 602 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: peace talks going? I mean, that's the. 603 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: Pushback on this whole thing, right, Yeah, And he also 604 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: mentioned Katari sovereignty in the next clip. 605 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 5: This is worth here, mister besterber what about the charge 606 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 5: that this is a violation of the sovereignty of the 607 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 5: state of cutter and that anybody who is negotiating with 608 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: you potentially is a target if they are in the 609 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 5: process of negotiation and don't agree to the terms at 610 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 5: that moment. 611 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: Come on, britt, I'm just saying what there's should have been. 612 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, this has been going on 613 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 8: for months and months and months. In the meantime, our 614 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 8: hostages are being starved in the tunnels of Hamas and Gaza. 615 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 8: They can end this now, this moment. They can lay 616 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 8: down their weapons like Arafat did in Lebanon in nineteen 617 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 8: eighty two and leave and this can be over. 618 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: We want this war to be over. 619 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 8: We want to implement a cease five in which everybody 620 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 8: will benefit. But we're not going to live with jihadis 621 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 8: on our border anymore. 622 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: That's over. 623 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 8: These people are murderous thugs. Imagine just MS thirteen taking 624 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 8: over a neighborhood here in the United States and then 625 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 8: negotiating with them after they hold hostages and tunnels. This 626 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 8: is something that is absolutely unacceptable in human terms, in 627 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 8: simple human moral terms. This is going to be over 628 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 8: when Hamas is eliminated, and they're put on notice. The 629 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 8: Prime Minister put them on notice. Wherever they are, whenever 630 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 8: they are, they are on notice. They are not going 631 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 8: to survive what they did on October seventh, twenty twenty three. 632 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: We are not going to live with Jihadis on our 633 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: border anymore. That's over, so Jim Garrity, writing for National Review, 634 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: this is a bad time for Hamas leaders to attempt 635 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: the taco trade. Trump does not always chicken out, He 636 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: writes credit where credit is due. Twice earlier this year, 637 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: President Trump said the Hamas would have hell to pay 638 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: if they didn't release the three men ating hostages, with 639 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: consequences that were less than fully hellish every time. But Sunday, 640 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: Trump said on truth Social the Israelis have accepted my terms. 641 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: It is time for Hamas to accept as well. I 642 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: have warned Hamas about the consequences of not accepting. This 643 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: is my last warning. There will not be another one. 644 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: Apparently Trump meant it this time. After months where Hamas 645 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: negotiating's position kept shifting all around, the Hamas negotiators are 646 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: now well, they're now all over the map themselves. 647 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: Well. 648 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: Speaking of flippant, yes well, and I'm sure because all 649 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: this stuff happens through back channels. 650 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 651 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: The reply to Trump was, yeah, yeah, we're willing to 652 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: have another round of talks. That's fine, and he knew. Okay, well, 653 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: so they're bull lessing again. But but Garrity is saying 654 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: a national review, and you seem to be hinting that 655 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: Trump had some knowledge, some approval on this, as opposed 656 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: to what he's saying out loud is I didn't know 657 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: about it until right before it happened, and I don't 658 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: like it. 659 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: I don't like it one bit. 660 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, the strategic ignorance, I think, went something like this. 661 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: Trump and Netanyahu are talking net Yah, who says, look, 662 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: they're not serious about negotiating. We're going to get their 663 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: leaders because they're going to get together soon and we're 664 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: going to take him out. And Trump said, I don't 665 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: want to hear the specifics. Don't tell me, but give 666 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: me one more chance to see what their intentions are. 667 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: He did, their intentions sort of string everybody along a 668 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: little bit further, as they have now for years, and 669 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: they're not going to seriously negotiate. To net Yahoo, they 670 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: clearly indicated their lack of seriousness when they took credit 671 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: for that bus attack two days ago and encouraged it 672 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: and hoped there were more. Yeah, Frankly, I think anybody 673 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: who believed that Hamas would ever negotiate in good faith 674 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: is a fool. I appreciate wanting to try and try 675 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: and try to have less killing and in the wars sooner, 676 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: but as German made clear to the city fathers of 677 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: Atlanta back in what was it, eighteen sixty four, eighteen 678 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: sixty five, he said, I've received your letter and I 679 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: appreciate it. The quickest way to end this war and 680 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: the suffering is to win it. So I'm gonna win it, 681 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's gonna suck bad, but then it'll be over. 682 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 1: So pretty big developments in both the Israel Hamas war 683 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: kind of an Israel Iran war and the Ukraine Russia 684 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: war that will be keeping our eye on. If you 685 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: miss a segment of our show, get the podcast Armstrong 686 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: and Geddy on demand 687 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty