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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, November fourth, Happy election day, everyone,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stacked night of headlines. First and foremost,

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Speaker 2: we want to acknowledge the tragedy happening right now in Louisville.

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Speaker 2: There has been a very horrible plane crash. A ups

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Speaker 2: plane has crashed. Three have been reported dead, eleven injured.

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Speaker 2: This is an unfolding story and we just all want

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Speaker 2: to send our love and prayers to the victims, families

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Speaker 2: and friends. And we will keep you updated over the

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Speaker 2: next few hours as things develop. Because it's Talkback Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and we have some new cases to cover. For example,

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Speaker 2: this former Fox News anchor, she stabbed her eighty year

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Speaker 2: is still very unclear. Also, we have some new developments

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Speaker 2: with this horrific Ashleigh Buzzard Melody Buzzard case. Melody obviously

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Speaker 2: the nine year old young girl who has been missing

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Speaker 2: her mom, not cooperating with police, and now there's been

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Speaker 2: some new developments. She has been seen on camera apparently

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Speaker 2: taking and swapping license plates on the car that she

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Speaker 2: was driving cross country with with her daughter. We know

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Speaker 2: we talked about this last night. It's that infamous road

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Speaker 2: trip where mom and daughter went and only mom came home.

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Speaker 2: So this is escalating and escalating quickly. Also, the alleged murderer,

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Speaker 2: Barry Murphew Morphew rather was in court yesterday and we

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Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to really cover that and his

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Speaker 2: actually doing to this case. So one of those topics

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Speaker 2: that we have to talk about tonight. But it's also

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Speaker 2: Talk Back Tuesday, So this is the night that we

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Speaker 2: get to sound off and hear from you. Because today,

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Speaker 2: amongst all of the craziness in the world right now,

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Speaker 2: let's all put our hands together and clap for our

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Speaker 2: beautiful Courtney Armstrong because it is her birthday today and

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Speaker 2: very few people, very few people deserve as much happiness

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Speaker 2: as Courtney Armstrong does. She is one of the true greats,

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Speaker 2: and I am so proud to call you a dear friend,

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Speaker 2: a sister, and man, it is a joy to get

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Speaker 2: to be here with you every night. Courtney is a

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Speaker 2: person who has seen me personally through so many of

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Speaker 2: life's developments, really great ones, really wealthy ones, and everything

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Speaker 2: your corner. She will be the one backing you up

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Speaker 2: in a bar fight, God forbid. She is the one

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Speaker 2: that will keep your secrets the closest and will never repeat.

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Speaker 2: She is good stock, through and through, and the kindest and,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest, the smartest girl we know. Right so,

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Speaker 2: prison company excluded, I'm speaking that on myself and Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: May this year ahead be filled with all the love

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Speaker 2: and happiness and joy you deserve. The best is yet

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Speaker 2: to come, and man, we're all putting on our party hats,

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Speaker 2: even in these very tenuous times. I hope everybody gets

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Speaker 2: who they want. As far as elected officials, whoever you

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Speaker 2: voted for, I hope they win. And you know, more

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Speaker 2: on that to come, because these are developing stories. As

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Courtney right now, she is wearing the

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Speaker 2: greatest birthday cap, slightly phallic but totally awesome. And we

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Speaker 2: encourage everybody to put their party hats on and you

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Speaker 2: know we all are all are proverbally proverbally, we're all

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Speaker 2: hugging you, is my point. And whether we're in person

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Speaker 2: how was your birthday? First and foremost, it was great?

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Speaker 3: And I really want to thank you for those unbelievably

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Speaker 3: kind words. And man, can I say back at you?

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Speaker 2: You've been in some funky spots. We've been to places together.

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Speaker 2: We've covered many stories together. We have been in wacky

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I am so thrilled to be here this

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Speaker 2: To take the night off we did. We said a

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Speaker 2: It's really rare to meet women or any friends later

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Speaker 2: So she lives with her mom. Her name is Angie

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Speaker 2: Why there's no obvious motive. You know, Angie Mack had

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Speaker 4: I think it's like Samantha Booth. She's a nanny. She's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a total freak out. Is there something going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll obviously keep following the story of TV news

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Speaker 3: I'm Courtney. I am lucky enough to be here with

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Speaker 3: Stephanie Leidecker and Body Movin. And I'm terribly sad to

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Speaker 3: update what you said, Stephanie about three people dying in

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Speaker 3: the ups plane crash near Louisville, Kentucky. It is now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ashley Buzzard is the mother of Melody Bluzzard Buzzard.

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Speaker 4: She's a nine year old that's missing out of Lompoc, California.

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Speaker 4: While Santa Barbara County Sheriff's detectives are sharing additional information

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Speaker 4: at risk nine year old Melody Buzzard. The Santa Barbara

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Speaker 4: County Sheriff's Office began investigating this case back in October fourteenth,

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Speaker 4: no verifiable explanation for Melody's whereabouts. A search of the

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Speaker 2: I do see that though, and I didn't before, and

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Speaker 2: You know, no, but you did really, actually really educate

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Speaker 4: It's easy to be like screw him, and you know,

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Speaker 3: a diagnosable situation that the prison should not be enforcing,

428
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Speaker 3: you know, torture three times a day. So no, I

429
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Speaker 3: think you should for religious reasons. It just goes to

430
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Speaker 3: a place of sort of degradation for me. If there

431
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: are food, you candy, I'm not talking about gourmet. But again,

432
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Speaker 3: if it's if it's diagnosable, if it's religious, if it's X,

433
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: Y or Z, I think you should be getting that,

434
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: you know. And in the same vein, I do understand

435
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: the other part, but you know, let the inmates.

436
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Speaker 2: Talk through the walls.

437
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: Let him live in a torture of his own mind.

438
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Speaker 3: I don't think the prisons, federally funded or the privatized

439
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: different story, should participate in, you know, not giving people

440
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Speaker 3: what they need to eat to live sustain.

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Speaker 2: That is fair. Yeah, it's a complicated one. I see

442
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: also of this one. It makes me want to eat

443
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: a carvil cake, like immediately in your honor curtain. I

444
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: just want to have like a Fudgi the whale carvel

445
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: cake right now, eating a little cake Susie cakes? Right? Well, no,

446
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Speaker 2: what was it called.

447
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: Susie cake that these guys, if I could just say,

448
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: sent to my house, all of these wonderful everybody's spearheaded

449
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Speaker 3: by Stephanie Leidecker. It is a Susie cake which I

450
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Speaker 3: have never had, and everyone talks about And now I

451
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Speaker 3: know what everyone talks about.

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Speaker 9: It.

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Speaker 3: What's your food of choice? Give us a call? Eighty

454
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Speaker 3: eight three one crime? What's your what's your cake? What's

455
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Speaker 3: your go to?

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Speaker 2: I made the chili last night that we got the

457
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Speaker 2: recommendation for it, but I made it chili. Yes, wow,

458
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Speaker 2: I like after the show, I took out the chicken,

459
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Speaker 2: I put it. I defrosted it. I did it exactly

460
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Speaker 2: as said. I didn't have corn, but I had everything else,

461
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Speaker 2: the two jars of salsa. I laid the chicken on

462
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Speaker 2: and then I was able to break it out. I

463
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: left it in way longer than the four hours recommended,

464
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Speaker 2: but awesome, awesome recommendation. I didn't have free doo's, but

465
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Speaker 2: next time I would like layer some fritos over it,

466
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: and I just ate it as it sounds like right comfort.

467
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Speaker 9: And it was.

468
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: So good and so delicious and so moist and high

469
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Speaker 2: five the great recommendation easy like I did, slow cooking.

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Speaker 2: Keep them coming. I love it. I love it and

471
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: is eating it right now. It's so Yeah, it's amazing.

472
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Speaker 2: I love that. Let's uh, maybe we'll get another one.

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Speaker 2: Maybe ye keep them coming.

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Speaker 11: Hey, y'all, y'all have y'all, y'all have this thing going, y'all.

475
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 12: Manished a flow of vibe is like really starting to

476
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 12: really get good because y'all are constantly making me laugh

477
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 12: and my family, my kids, my husband must think I'm

478
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 12: crazy because I'm sitting there getting ready to work and

479
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 12: I'm just like dying laughing, Like I'm just pulled up

480
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 12: at the table with y'all or something, just like you know. Anyways,

481
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 12: keep going, y'all are doing awesome, all of y'all, Taha

482
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 12: and Sam and all of you.

483
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Speaker 11: I love it.

484
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: It's so good.

485
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: The kitchen is the vibe, and you never I mean,

486
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: this is a true crime show. We're not supposed to

487
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: be laughing, but you have to. We have to cut

488
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: up a little bit otherwise they call it.

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Speaker 2: Gallows humor, right, when you have to kind of take

490
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: a breather, like that's what surgeon. Not that I'm suggesting

491
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: that we're surgeons by any means, but in hospitals, like,

492
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: that's what they call it. That's what Joseph Scott Morgan

493
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: always tells me. It's called gallows humor where it's like

494
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: so dark that you almost have to like, yeah, disconnect

495
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: with a giggle, which you can only really do with friends.

496
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 12: Right.

497
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, Sam has now off his facial

498
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: hair and unbeknown to anybody, has dimples and he smiles dimples.

499
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 13: I was a kid.

500
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: How would you possibly cover your dimples? But that's amazing.

501
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 13: I don't think I am when I have facial hair.

502
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 13: But I don't know, I don't see, so I don't

503
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 13: know you go.

504
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Wrong, Sam, But yeah, we have the greatest crew and

505
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: team in the business. So thank you for being at

506
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: our kitchen table.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, thanks for cutting it up with us a

508
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: little bit.

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00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: Let's do another time.

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Speaker 5: Oh h fun is just for Kurnie goom clean you

511
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 5: lean your day, many many, many happy returns.

512
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

513
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 5: I just turned fifty and it is so much better

514
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 5: than being twenty three.

515
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: I love you all.

516
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: Oh my word, Jo, it's beautiful, so sweet.

517
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh my, you have back on. Thank goodness. Put the

518
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: balac hat back on hat.

519
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: It's not that Falax definitely is making it sound like

520
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm here with like a rubber you know, mold of a.

521
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Ballas Oh it is adorable.

522
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: It says happy birthday. It's got a little thing on top.

523
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: I mean, she's not as wrong, but I just you know,

524
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Speaker 3: you do.

525
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: It is your birthday and I wish I was bringing

526
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Speaker 2: the exact same hat. We should all be wearing the

527
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: same hat. I know we didn't think he's through, explained mad.

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Speaker 2: That's why call it.

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Speaker 9: Perfectly. But next time, we love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call that was so beautiful. Do

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Speaker 2: another talk about this talk that Tuesday is amazing? What

532
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Speaker 2: are you at? This is Jess Crocker from New Zeudland.

533
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Speaker 14: We say why do you at?

534
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Speaker 2: People say this is it?

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Speaker 14: Just wanted to share a newb accent.

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Speaker 2: We are our own category of Canadian Best. When I

537
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Speaker 2: first heard you talk about it, I thought it was

538
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Speaker 2: a weighted.

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00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 14: Blanket type shawl that you put on your shoulders to

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Speaker 14: relieve tension.

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Speaker 2: Then I realized it was the fitness waited best and

542
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Speaker 2: we're only wearing it for a short period of time.

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Speaker 10: But I believe this.

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Speaker 4: Weighted blanket shawl you can wear for longer.

545
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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, why why are you in my head?

546
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Speaker 2: I have just discovered the weighted blanket shawl and it's

547
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Speaker 2: a little bit more it's a little bit more even,

548
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Speaker 2: and you could wear it if you're sitting now. I

549
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Speaker 2: don't know if that's supposed to be for posture or

550
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: if you can add a heat element by the way,

551
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: doesn't that sound good, or if it's like a weighted

552
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: stress reliever, or if it's for exercise like we're wearingaring. Yeah,

553
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: we're wearing our weighted vests so that we can be

554
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: ripped by summertime and we're getting our summer bods going ish.

555
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: But also, just having like a heavy weighted blanket around

556
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Speaker 2: our next is awesome. I don't know what the difference is. Though.

557
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Speaker 2: We have a caller on the line right now. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show. Erin, Hi, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 14: I'm good? How are you?

560
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: We are so good?

561
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Speaker 15: Tod sorry rutting my dog outside?

562
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Speaker 2: What kind of dog do you have? Erin? Oh? Big dog?

563
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: Big dog? I think they're very bright and smart as well.

564
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Talk to us. What's your question?

565
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Speaker 14: Oh, I don't have a question.

566
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Speaker 2: I just had a thought.

567
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Speaker 14: So my son has been diagnosed with ARFID, and so

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Speaker 14: I just had some some viewpoints on that. A is

569
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Speaker 14: like how the treatment should go.

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Speaker 2: Tell us, tell us everything. So he's only eleven.

571
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Speaker 14: Okay, but he does have our FID, and it is

572
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Speaker 14: it's a legitimate, legitimate concern, and we do have him

573
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Speaker 14: in some food treatment therapy every single week. But I

574
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Speaker 14: don't know, I just feel like, if you've been through

575
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Speaker 14: that and you've committed this crime, there are some consequences

576
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Speaker 14: and I don't know that you get special treatment for that,

577
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Speaker 14: even though, like so the diagnosis for a kid with

578
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Speaker 14: OURPHID versus a picky eater is a person with ARFID

579
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Speaker 14: will starve, literally starve for eating, where a picky eater

580
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Speaker 14: will eventually eat and they're hungry.

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Speaker 2: How interesting. That's really brutal for even for you as

582
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Speaker 2: a mom raising an eleven year old. You know, that's

583
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Speaker 2: a that's a big diagnosis to have to manage as

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Speaker 2: a mother. If you have any tists for anyone else

585
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Speaker 2: who's kind of managing that in their.

586
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Speaker 14: Own world, I think it's just you just to think

587
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 14: about it differently, approach your parenting a little bit differently,

588
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 14: you know, just kind of like giving them more options

589
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Speaker 14: and understanding that they have anxiety. It's literally anxiety. Think

590
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 14: about like your anxiety that you might have as a

591
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Speaker 14: person from day to day, whether it's fear of crowds

592
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 14: or heights. It's anxiety for food, right, Like, so trying

593
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Speaker 14: new things makes them really really anxious, right, So just

594
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Speaker 14: kind of going into it with a different mindset that like, oh,

595
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Speaker 14: this is gonna present some sort of anxiety for them,

596
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Speaker 14: and I need to think about it a little bit differently,

597
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Speaker 14: Like I need I need to have some different options

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Speaker 14: for them for coping, Like going into a birthday party,

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Speaker 14: for example, my son's not gonna eat cake. He's not

600
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Speaker 14: gonna eat pizza, but I'm gonna maybe feed him ahead

601
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Speaker 14: of time. There's just there's just there's options to look

602
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Speaker 14: at you might go into for whatever it.

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Speaker 15: Is that you're anxious about.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that makes sense, though I feel like I'm

605
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: hearing that a lot more to just I don't know

606
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: that that term and that diagnosis I am. It's sort

607
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: of like I hear it more than I ever had before,

608
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: and it's really tough to identify. And how lucky that

609
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: he has such a mom that's really taking it so

610
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Speaker 2: serious and making sure that he does have those options.

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00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes it's like eat what's in front of you,

612
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: period the end, you know, or approach.

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Speaker 15: It's not my approach.

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Speaker 14: It's like, yeah, I'm gonna want to try it, but

615
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 14: if you're not gonna, if you're not going to like it,

616
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 14: then that's okay. We're gonna. I'm going to present food

617
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Speaker 14: to you that you will maybe, Like, I'm going to

618
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Speaker 14: give you some options.

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Speaker 4: Right because hospitalization for dehydration or malnutrition when you have

620
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Speaker 4: our fit is very real, Like that's a very real possibility, right,

621
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Speaker 4: So you have to They will starve to death, they will,

622
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Speaker 4: you know, and that's the well.

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Speaker 2: They need the food.

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Speaker 14: And I remember when he was like, I don't know,

625
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 14: three or four, it was like, just eat one piece

626
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 14: of this chicken tender and you can have ice cream.

627
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: And he was like no, no, right, And exposure therapy

628
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: is supposed to be something that you know works, but

629
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Speaker 4: it takes a long time. You know it, you know,

630
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: And again, we as a society and as the system

631
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: are responsible for these people's well beings. So just saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, eat the food, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting too, like, yeah, it's a good point.

634
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Speaker 2: I used to just eat the same thing all the

635
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: time and kind of crave the same thing three men.

636
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: I do day. I still do that, but I also

637
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: have silly act disease. But I didn't really realize it

638
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: until so much later. So, yeah, food is a tricky

639
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: thing presents him.

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Speaker 15: I think we have much more education now that are

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Speaker 15: well eron.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the call. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, yeah, and good luck to you and to

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Speaker 2: your your sir old son.

645
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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, bye bye, great perspective to the great insight.

646
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's the issue. He'll just starve to death.

647
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: And because we're responsible for his you know it sucks.

648
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: I'm not happy about it, but you know we're responsible

649
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 4: for him now, right right exactly, So that's the issue.

650
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Speaker 4: So this is your crime tonight on Iheartral. We're talking

651
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: true crime all the time. I'm body and I'm here

652
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: with Court and Steph. We got Taha here in Sam

653
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: and Adam on the board and we want to hear

654
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Speaker 4: from you. Give us a call eighty eight thirty one Crime.

655
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: It's talk back Tuesday. Let's hit it talk back right now.

656
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Speaker 8: Hi, ladies, It's Cynthia from Canada calling long time no chat.

657
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 8: Just wanted to call in and mentioned something about it

658
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 8: all in Greenberg. I'm surprised no one has checked the cloud,

659
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 8: and I'm curious if anybody other than his family has

660
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 8: gotten ahold of her electronic devices and done a deep

661
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 8: dive on them. Even though they cleared them up, there's

662
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 8: always ways to find what was on there. Take care,

663
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Speaker 8: Happy Halloween fight.

664
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Speaker 2: We we love you. Yeah, she's great, A really good point.

665
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure, by the way, I know that one of

666
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: you have done some digging.

667
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I actually I actually did a while ago. Actually,

668
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: So Allen died in I think January of twenty eleven

669
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: and the iCloud didn't like become available until the end

670
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: of that year. So the cloud, yeah, cloud wasn't really

671
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: a thing, right, it just wasn't a thing. So I

672
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, what the status of that would

673
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: be for her because it just didn't it was you know,

674
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: it didn't exist. Now as far as her electronics are concerned,

675
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: I actually believe they did look at her electronics, but

676
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 4: it wasn't until after Sam's uncle had them for you know,

677
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: hot minutes. So I don't know what the status of

678
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: that is though. We don't know, but that's a really

679
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: good question.

680
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: I believe I remember that investigators or someone did indeed

681
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: look through but made the point that if you knew

682
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: what you were doing, you had the capacity to even

683
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: backdate something, sure and put it in a search.

684
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: Sure, And and you know, chain of custody has been

685
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: correct totally annihilated. So it's like, I don't know even

686
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: what good it would do, but it is it is

687
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Speaker 4: worth exploring, and I would imagine that the police officers

688
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 4: and the forensics units have done that, but I just don't.

689
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Speaker 2: I don't have access to that information. How do you

690
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: get away with any crimes? It is still so shocking

691
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: to me that with our digital footprices so widely utilized

692
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: and used, by the way, for anything, I could be

693
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: driving and if you go through a stop sign and

694
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: God forbid, you know, suddenly you get even if you've

695
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: moved nine. I had one of those, you know, so

696
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: like that is like the story that happens more often

697
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: than not. So how is anybody getting away with a crime?

698
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

699
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Speaker 4: I had the funniest story about that. By the way,

700
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Speaker 4: do you guys want to hell me?

701
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so you know how they take a picture

702
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Speaker 2: of you? Yes, okay.

703
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 4: So my friend Jody, my friend Jody, she's what doing

704
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: her living her life?

705
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: Okay, she gets a living's best life. She's living.

706
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 4: She's like my best friend here in last thing. Okay,

707
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 4: so she's she's living her life. She goes to the mail,

708
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: opens it up, and she's got a ticket. She opens it,

709
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: there's a picture of her and dude, you guys, she

710
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: was running late to like somewhere in Arizona when she

711
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: lived there. She was literally stuffing her face with a

712
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: hot dog. Is the funniest thing ever, j It's the funniest.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're like at least, if you're gonna give

714
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Speaker 2: me a ticket, at least make it a cute.

715
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Speaker 4: She's literally stuffing her face with the hot dog as

716
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: she's driving through a red light, like, oh my god,

717
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: oh the photo.

718
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Speaker 2: How's the picture so horrible? Works? I honestly will pay

719
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: the money and wait back in line just to know.

720
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: And I kind of like asked the guy because we're

721
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: kind of like looking for some approval it was on

722
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: the photo, oh you know? And he did. I could

723
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: tell he knew it wasn't. I wasn't going to be psyched.

724
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: It is terrible, and it's fine caring. Everybody's licenses are

725
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be horrible. But I'd say, you know, you

726
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: gotta whip that out a lot. I don't have a

727
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: hot dog in my mouth, but it is just as bad.

728
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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, my friend, who had moved from Brooklyn to Los

729
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: Angeles so she didn't drive before she moved, she had

730
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Speaker 3: no reason to anyway, learned to drive and she same thing,

731
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Speaker 3: gets one of those tickets where they have the picture,

732
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Speaker 3: but she used it. It was her first year in

733
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles and she used it as her Christmas card.

734
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Speaker 3: Is the picture that it was like three angles and

735
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Speaker 3: you saw her realize the picture was taken im too,

736
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: and it's like recognition.

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Speaker 2: The horror is very funny. Hilarious.

738
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Speaker 9: That's funny.

739
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Speaker 2: That is hilarious.

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Speaker 9: Have your birthday card too.

741
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Speaker 2: We get another talk back, we do.

742
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Speaker 9: I'm going to warn you this one has a strong

743
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 9: opinion about something we may not all agree with me.

744
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: I love it, I can take it. All opinions are welcome,

745
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: all right, Right.

746
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Speaker 7: This is Cam from New York and I think that

747
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 7: Luigi is a hero for what he did. The healthcare

748
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: system is extremely corrupt and continuously puts profit over human lives. Yes,

749
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 7: it was murder, but we also need to acknowledge that

750
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 7: the man he killed was responsible for the death of

751
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 7: so many people. If we're going to be upset about

752
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 7: Luigi's actions, then you are completely missing the point.

753
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Speaker 9: Good point.

754
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: A lot of people have that a lot of people

755
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: have that opinion. I really like he's getting a lot

756
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: much fan mail behind bars, right, you know, I feel

757
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: very torn.

758
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 4: I'm very much a you know, a person that thinks

759
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: that you know, murder is not the answer, right, that

760
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: civil discourse is the answer, and you know, but that's

761
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: not working, right, But is murder working either? Because he's

762
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: just going to be replaced by someone maybe worse, you

763
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I just don't know that murder's answer.

764
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I have.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like I've gotten into this debate

766
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: a lot of times in a lot of places, and

767
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: I point, taken, but has anything changed? So you take

768
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: a man's life, it's a ceo I think, by the way,

769
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: has his own family as well. He had children and

770
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: a life to live. He was doing a job, so

771
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: all that to be said, So Luigi takes this man's life.

772
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: Has your insurance improved? Has there been any radical change

773
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: to actually gone up? Your mind? So expensive? If anything

774
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: has gone up more, and from what I'm told, is

775
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: about to go up even more and more. I don't

776
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: know how we're doing it. By the way, it's like

777
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: one of the most expensive bills you can possibly imagine.

778
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: And you know, thankfully we're healthy, right, So what happens

779
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: when it really hits? And you know, a bench shout

780
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: out to anybody who is dealing with illness and dealing

781
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: with the insurance companies. So I don't know. I know,

782
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: for my personal opinion, is it murders never the answer?

783
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: But what is the answer, because I agree it is

784
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: a it is a problem, and.

785
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 4: Well, I I civil discourse is the answer.

786
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Either they'll be raging against the machine, baby, but you

787
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: don't take out a gun and shoot somebody. I do, like,

788
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, and again like that seems slightly you know,

789
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: elementary of a point, but I know that's not the answer.

790
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: And no organ yeah, to make if you want to

791
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: make a big statement, you can. There are many ways

792
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: to have newsworthy, grandiose you know, taken to the streets

793
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, or protests, but it's yeah, agreed

794
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 3: that it's not the answer. But a lot of people

795
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: feel that way, and a lot of people, you know,

796
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 3: see him as a vigilante.

797
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: Or but like, would we agree. I'm so curious what

798
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: Luigi would say today about his big act. I wonder,

799
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: I wonder what Luigi thinks about it? Was that the best?

800
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 2: That's a good course of action to get his point

801
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: across the finish line. By the way, this is a

802
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: guy that was a valedictorian and went to Ivy League

803
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: schools and could have had a real impact on the world.

804
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: But instead he's going to sit in some stupid cell

805
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. And what a waste

806
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: of a big brain and so many resources. There's nothing

807
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: to come from that.

808
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: What a waste, Stephanie. I'm so sorry, but I have

809
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 4: something very important to tell you. Okay, wait, my father

810
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: just texted me and it's about your driver's license photo.

811
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: And he says when he worked at Boeing, they had

812
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: a sign on the they used to have to wear badges,

813
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, Boeing.

814
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: It's a big thing, right. If you want a better picture,

815
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: bring a better face. Oh wowd to live by. I

816
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: had that thought. By the way, when I had the

817
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: thought of like, I was like beautiful, it kind of

818
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: does kind of look like you. You might not be

819
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: happy about that, but my eyes are a little kind

820
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: of shut. But yes, it is a point taken. You

821
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: can't you can't dress up. Can't dress up something that

822
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: isn't all the makeup in the world, and even a

823
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: blowout won't do the trick. Yeah, it was there for

824
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: a lack of trying though, you know those days that

825
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: you try real hard and it really backfires. It's so depressive,

826
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: and that it was, Yeah, that's exactly what I look like.

827
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: But I must have like the opposite of body dysmorphia.

828
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: I do too, but because I see photos of myself

829
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who is that? Who is that? Horrible mirror?

830
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: I'm shocked, I know.

831
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's a rude surprise, like oh my goodness.

832
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: Somebody catches you at the worst, or you accidentally turn

833
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: your camera phone your picture the.

834
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 9: Job of that, or zoom in general video shot of

835
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 9: myself from who is that? I may tell your dad smile.

836
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, thanks dad, Thanks Dad. I appreciate by the way.

837
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: I know there's some problems you just can't solve with

838
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: the photo. But can we get the lighting a little

839
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: better at least or something? I don't know. It might

840
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: be worth thirty five bucks. Keep it here.

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Speaker 3: It's Talk Back Tuesday all night. We'll be hearing from

842
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: you True Crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

843
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

844
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here of

845
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: course with my body. Move in and thank you to

846
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: her dad for listening. Of course, our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong.

847
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Very tragic update. There's no transition to make this less horrible.

848
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: The recent plane crash that happened just before we came

849
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: on air a ups plane in Louisville, Kentucky. We had

850
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: initially reported that three had died. That escalated four, and

851
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: now the count is seven seventh seven incredible souls have

852
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: lost their lives and that count may still change. Will

853
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: obviously be following it very closely. Boys at like incredibly sobering,

854
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: right So, you know what a tragedy. It's a fire.

855
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: People are in a five mile radius or asked to

856
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: shelter in place. This is a real tragedy.

857
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: People are also being asked if you see any debris

858
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Speaker 3: or anything that you believe might possibly be debris, do

859
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: not touch it, do not take it, call your local authorities.

860
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: That's the ask. Yeah, And that's a really big piece

861
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: of it because that helps and hurts the investigation otherwise. Right, so,

862
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: in order for them to piece back the suzzle of

863
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: what didn't didn't go wrong here right now, there's some

864
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: like loose reporting And what I'm seeing is that they're

865
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: saying there was maybe some technical issues and some fatigue

866
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: for the pilot. We're not placing blame. These are hard jobs, man,

867
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: It is hard job to be a pilot, and these

868
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: are tough conditions, The environment's tough, there's a government shutdown.

869
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: Who knows, but man, our hearts are with everybody being

870
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: affected by this real time.

871
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: Truly, truly, I mean, life can change at an instant

872
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 4: in a second.

873
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, enjoy what we have honestly, and hug your loved ones.

874
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry to have to report this. Yeah.

875
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: Well, moving on to Barry Morphew, we do have an update.

876
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: So alleged murderer Barry Morphew, he did have a court

877
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: hearing yesterday and the judge scheduled what the next status

878
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: hearing will be and at that point Morphew must enter

879
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: a plea. And also the judge reaffirmed restrictions on live

880
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: streaming his hearings. So the defense requested more time to

881
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: review evidence, which is very common. I don't think I've

882
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: ever known of a defense team to not request more

883
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: time to review evidence. And as a reminder, Barry is

884
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: accused of killing his wife, Suzanne. Her remains were ultimately

885
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: found in a remote area three years after she disappeared,

886
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: and Barry was re indicted in June of twenty twenty

887
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: five for this.

888
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: This was Mother's Day too, wasn't it? It was Mother's

889
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: Day when she was Yeah, when she disappeared.

890
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: Barry more fused exactly right, his wife, Suzanne. She vanished

891
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: on Mother's Day of twenty twenty after allegedly leaving for

892
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: a bike ride near that area. And it was three

893
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: years later that her remains were found in a shallow

894
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: grave forty five miles or so from where she disappeared.

895
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: And then this, if you recall, her autopsy was done

896
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. Her death, of course was ruled

897
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: a homicide, and in her body was found a wildlife

898
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: tranquilizer cocktail and it was incredibly specific and very more

899
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: few used it in his work as a deer farmer.

900
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: So this tranquilizer was found in her bone cocktail, and he,

901
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 3: if I'm remembering correctly, might have literally been the only

902
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: person in the.

903
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: State to have that. That's accurate.

904
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like that's that corner of the state,

905
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 4: Like that the only one down in that corner of

906
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: that state that would have had a license. Because this

907
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 4: is like a drug, right, it's controlled substance. So yeah,

908
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: he was the only one with a license to this drug.

909
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: Listen, everyone is, you know, innocent until proven otherwise. But man,

910
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: that's a pretty freaking big coincidence, right.

911
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: I hope it's not crew too, because he has kids,

912
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 2: they have daughters, and I think she's very beloved, you do.

913
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, we know that, you know, the

914
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: intention was that she was going to leave him, and

915
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: that was on the menu at that point. So the

916
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: timing is really troubling. But he has denied it to

917
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: and from court day in, day out, and you know,

918
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: last we heard his children were really standing by him

919
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: in defense of him. But a tough thing. Your mom

920
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: is dead, you know, you want answers. People are pointing

921
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: the fingers at dad, who you know in a very

922
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: specific way. I would imagine, what do you do? What

923
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: a tough thing? And those are some really hard forensics

924
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: to get around. I know we've covered this even with

925
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, and it's it is pretty tough to

926
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: talk yourself out of that. But he continues to say

927
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: he's not guilty. Well, that's right.

928
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: Do you remember he like went down to Arizona and

929
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 4: like told people he had a different name and he.

930
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: Was Yes, he was dancing at bar, dancing at the bar.

931
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: And remember the state that she was found in, so

932
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: she was on a bike ride on Mother's Day. You know,

933
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: imagine it's Mother's Day. You're a mom. She has beautiful

934
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: children who love her, and she's had an incredible job brazing.

935
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: And now suddenly you vanish. Her bike is found as

936
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: if she had been like run over or something. Right,

937
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: wasn't the bike like in terrible condition? And then no Suzanne.

938
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: Now for years, Dad goes on his life, and you know,

939
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: the girls pick up the pieces to start their life

940
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: over again without their beautiful mother. Now years later we're

941
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: finding out about this and now this you know, strange

942
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: tranquilizing drug, and you know, it's not great. It is

943
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: so horrible, it's very sad.

944
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: And then just the brief nuts and bolts of yesterday's hearing,

945
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: Judge Michael Gonzalez has reaffirmed his decision to shut down

946
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: the livestream access and that is to prevent online violations,

947
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: to protect the due process because of the overwhelming public

948
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: and media attention, and that's the justification for the tighter restrictions.

949
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 3: Prosecutors really doubled down, saying the closure is necessary to

950
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: ensure a fair trial. And the next status hearing will

951
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: be or is set at this point for January twelfth

952
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six, and at that point a plea

953
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 3: is expected.

954
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: No, what's saying he gets to be at home for

955
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving and Christmas because.

956
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: He's out on bond, right out on bond.

957
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: He's got a three million dollar bond, he's under house arrest,

958
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 3: he has a GPS ankle monitor and strict travel limits

959
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: in Colorado. Correctly, I don't know if it's a Colorado

960
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: state thing. Yeah, this is like, I don't know it

961
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: one of the more interesting things to me. I wish

962
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: I was a lawyer maybe one day, because I just

963
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: really don't get it how it is so discriminating in

964
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: some ways about sentencing and who gets you know, bond,

965
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: who doesn't, who gets the house arrest, who gets an

966
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: easier pass, who gets like the keys thrown away without

967
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: even having been.

968
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: Properly charged with an actual crime? Right, So taking all

969
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: politics and race out of it, although all big pieces

970
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: of the puzzle. His clown Barry Morphew is being accused

971
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: of murdering his wife and like burying her in a

972
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: shallow grave for allegedly three years. How is he not

973
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: a danger to society if in fact that's the case, right,

974
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: because he has three million bucks in his bock. You know,

975
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: he has cash in his pocket. That's the problem. Like,

976
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: the justice system can't be run by cash, right, and

977
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: it is it is.

978
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 4: I feel so fatalistic about it. I'm like, yeah, this

979
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: is this is our system. It's yeah, it's.

980
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: Whoever has the best lawyer wins in Sometimes the facts

981
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: of the case or the actual you know, confession, all

982
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: the things matter nothing if you have a super high

983
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: powered attorney or if your money to throw well, you

984
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: can't get a super high powered attorney without a bunch

985
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: of money. So unless you have super hardcore cash to

986
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: just throw out the problem, you're screwed. Right, And how

987
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: about all the people that are wrongfully convicted that are

988
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: behind bars, that are just relying on hopefully a public

989
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 2: defender who believes in them. But like, by the way,

990
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: that happens quite a bit.

991
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: There are amazing public defenders too, there, sure are. It's

992
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: a thankless gig.

993
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: Thank let's gig. Right, It's a hard job. And imagine

994
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: really wrongfully convicted, you have no cash in your pocket.

995
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: You mom and dad don't have cash in their pocket.

996
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: And then you know, any railroaded you're getting any railroaded. Yeah,

997
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: and then you know not to go back to the

998
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: Luigi conversation. But then you have Luigi. He has the

999
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: whole world ahead of him. He has a great education,

1000
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: family that loves him, college degree, Ivy League everything, living

1001
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: in a fat mansion. And this is how you make

1002
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: your big message. Oh, I have an idea. I'm going

1003
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: to murder somebody that's going to put me on the map.

1004
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: How about you use that big brain that everybody was

1005
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: talking about for your entire life and put that to

1006
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: good use. That's probably a really good way to move

1007
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: the insurance system that we're all suffering from his brains

1008
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: and collaboration and thoughtfulness and kindness, empathy. Yeah, like, give

1009
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: me a break. I'm sorry to get on the very

1010
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: Morphy kick, but like crazy, how for I am like everything? Like,

1011
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: ask every man of color who's behind bars right now.

1012
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: It's so disproportionate that can't get a lawyer because they're

1013
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: being railroaded by some FACACA system and it just stinks.

1014
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: And not everybody has those resources. None of us do

1015
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: that brother who's an amazing lawyer, So hey, thank god.

1016
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: But that's not a financial thing. That's just belief in

1017
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: having a family member. Oh no, I would be. So

1018
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: everybody's like, the clock isn't in our favor in that regard,

1019
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: and I don't think justice should be paid.

1020
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: For No, I totally of course, degree like a million

1021
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 4: percent agree you kill your wife and leave her for

1022
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: your kids to kind of grieve her for all this

1023
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: allegedly allegedly.

1024
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 2: Sorry Courtney with that hat saying allegedly sorry, coach, sorry, yes, judge, yes, yes, chef,

1025
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1026
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 3: Well, we of course will keep you updated on Barry

1027
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: Morphew as we go along.

1028
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 2: This is true crime tonight.

1029
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: If you have any thoughts on Barry Morphew, or if

1030
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: you have any thoughts on what happens during sentencing, because Stephanie,

1031
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: you're correct, it's the disparity is crazy. We're at eight

1032
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: and eight three one crime. We love to hear from

1033
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: you always and now body you had another update as well.

1034
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I found this story. This is kind of a

1035
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 4: wild and wacky but really scary story too. This comes

1036
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: to us from Chester County, South Carolina. On Halloween. Darius

1037
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: Teres Edwards's twenty years old. Okay, he was arrested for

1038
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: attempted kidnapping. Afterget this, he broke into a classroom through

1039
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: a window, grabbed a student who's who, by the way,

1040
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: did sustained some injuries, thank god they were not life threatening,

1041
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: and like ran away. This incident occurred to Halloween at

1042
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 4: the Chester Park School complex, and the school went on

1043
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 4: lockdown while law enforcement intervened.

1044
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: He crashed his car. This diaryse or Darius tyrese edwards.

1045
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: He crashed his car near the school and entered the

1046
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: facility without knowing any of the children. There's no connection

1047
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: between him or any of these children. He broke the

1048
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: window of a classroom and like grabbed a kid.

1049
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: Body did he break a double paned window with his

1050
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: head to.

1051
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: Yes, this.

1052
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 4: I feel like people are like losing their mind, losing

1053
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 4: their minds because everybody's.

1054
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: Broken, hungry, where everybody's struggling. It's tough. Yeah, I'm not

1055
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: saying everybody's a sweeping generalization. We should all be mentally

1056
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 2: more optimistic. I take a bok. That was a very

1057
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: grave way of looking at the world. I don't mean that.

1058
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: But as know Jack is doing.

1059
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 4: This, so he he crashes this car he smacked near

1060
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 4: the school. He runs to the window, bangs his head

1061
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: against this double paned window, breaks the window, grabbed a

1062
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: student and exited through the same window that he had

1063
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: just broken. Three teachers were present during the incident, and

1064
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: one was physically confronted and in a you know, in

1065
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 4: an attempt to protect the child, right like, the teacher's like, no,

1066
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: what the heck? You know, imagine you're teaching class and

1067
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: this guy breaks.

1068
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 2: Entering the window. The head the shot. I mean, so law.

1069
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 4: Enforcement responded very quickly. They tasered him on the playground

1070
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: and took him into custody, and the student that he

1071
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: abducted sustained only minor, non life threatening injuries. Thank god, right,

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00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 4: thank god.

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: But the traumatic events student and the teacher who had

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00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: to be you know, put their life on the line

1075
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: defending this nut job who's knocking his head against the glass.

1076
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 2: What is wrong with him?

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 12: Right?

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01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: So the Sheriff's department, the Chester County Sheriffs, his name

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01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 4: is Max Dorsey, the Sheriff of Chester County. He confirmed

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01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 4: that the incident involved a quote unquote domestic element, but

1081
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 4: noted that he the guy Edwards, he had no connection

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 4: to the child.

1083
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: Or the classroom.

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01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 4: I don't understand that maybe there might have been something

1085
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: that happened at home that set him off or something.

1086
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it involved some sort of domestic element.

1087
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 4: Some interim superintendents Tammy Snipes praised the teachers, the profession,

1088
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 4: I mean, the students, all the paramedics, everyone in the

1089
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: community for their actions, noting the school remained secure despite

1090
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: this breach.

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01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: Wow scary.

1092
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 4: Can you imagine you're in classes learning ABC one two three,

1093
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: some nut job is banging his head against the window,

1094
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: breaks in and grabs you.

1095
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, it's a scary movie. That has to

1096
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: be drugs, right, It's Salts. That's what sad. Salts, That's

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: what I I.

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 4: Mean, That's why I immediately go to do you guys

1099
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: remember that guy in Miami?

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01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: That are you that guy's face? Yeah, Miami when this happened.

1101
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 9: Were there, Oh yeah there.

1102
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't physically in the in the mix. I just

1103
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: in Miami at that time, but yeah, that was Bath Salts.

1104
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: And I also knew a person whose younger brother like

1105
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: threw themselves off the Miami Causeway bridge on the salt,

1106
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: just like for the fun of it. Yeah, survived, thankfully,

1107
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: but you know, it was unhelpful for law enforcement to

1108
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: have to take him out of the water and you know,

1109
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like a whole ordeal. That bath

1110
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: sauce is a good excuse, but that's what it sounds like.

1111
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 9: I haven't heard about bath salts in a while, though,

1112
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 9: I wonder are they I just haven't heard that.

1113
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: I haven't heard either.

1114
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 3: It was it's definitely big talk twelve years ago when

1115
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,479
Speaker 3: a man on bath salts broke into my house.

1116
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: I certainly, Oh my goodness, Courtney, that's right till the story.

1117
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: We'll have a minute. You want to come back, and

1118
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's a tease.

1119
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So yeah, you'll hear about when someone broke

1120
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: into my house on bat salts. And also after the

1121
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 3: break you have been flooding our dms and we like it.

1122
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: So we'll be hearing that.

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: Hopefully Taha will be reading those out with his pretty voice.

1124
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: Body Move In and our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong. Keep

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 2: those birthday messages come in because this is the time

1129
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: to celebrate you. Court So, do you have a wish

1130
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: that you want to share with us for the year ahead.

1131
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: You know you had said earlier, just friendship, and honestly, like,

1132
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: it's such birthdays and I hope everyone gets to experience

1133
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: and I know that is it is not the case,

1134
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: but everyone, you know, just when you have outpouring of

1135
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: love from old friends, new friends. It's just I'm very

1136
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: filled with a great appreciation. So I want more of that.

1137
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: I want more of you guys, for sure.

1138
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: So hopefully, yeah, we're available right by, We're available. She

1139
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: had the perfect way to spend your birthday, though, which

1140
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: I think sums up Courtney so perfectly, because sometimes birthdays

1141
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: are a direct I've had birthdays that have been off

1142
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: the chain so fun, so great, and others that you're

1143
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: somehow like boohoo under the covers age, you know, the

1144
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: age part of it. Side. Sometimes it feels lonesome, or

1145
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just it just hits different for reasons I

1146
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: can't explain, or you miss people all the things. Right,

1147
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: So this birthday, though, this is the big birthday in

1148
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: my humble opinion. We were like, what what did you

1149
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: do all day? And her answer was I binge.

1150
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 3: First of all, I was never allowed to have TV

1151
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: on during the day when I was young, and I

1152
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 3: still it's it's like I think the police is gonna

1153
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: come if I do.

1154
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 8: So.

1155
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: I never watched TV in the daylight, as my mom

1156
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 3: would say. So I went, I got a breakfast from McDonald's,

1157
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: which I will never breakfast, came down, sat down to

1158
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: eat it in my pajamas, and put on Netflix's Nobody

1159
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 3: Wants This and I binge watched it and that's what

1160
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: I did, and I hung out with my dogs. I'm

1161
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 3: looking at it out of naps during the day, and

1162
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: that was it was fuelous.

1163
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: It's the best. It was great.

1164
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 4: Any grape Yeah, exactly right, I love it. I love

1165
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: that's like the perfect day.

1166
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the best too, because sometimes birthdays put

1167
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: pressure on you too to like it needs to be

1168
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: something or it has to be a certain way. I

1169
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: don't know all of it, and sometimes it just feels lonesome.

1170
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: And then sometimes it's just so fun and following your

1171
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: own you know, your own little body clock and just

1172
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you just need a good cozy Tuesday

1173
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: in bed to watch. You never really watch TV during

1174
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 2: the day. I have like TVs on in every room,

1175
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: every office. I you're missing.

1176
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 9: I don't know all the soaps, even on the weekend.

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: Really, uh, I don't watch you don't watch him in

1178
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: the Restless with missing? Okay, no hold on on the weekend.

1179
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: On the weekend if I'm like cleaning or doing a thing.

1180
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: But today I sat down and watched TV.

1181
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: You don't even watch the news. Astounding And by the way,

1182
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: just don't you do you listen? That's fair? I like,

1183
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: I just love to just watch everybody talking about the

1184
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: news all day in the background, any source, any person.

1185
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't care what country, what place. I'm down so nice,

1186
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: Well you left Cliffhanger with us? Or oh yeah, bath sets?

1187
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't reminder of bath selts. I will make this brief.

1188
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: So this was twelve years ago, and I remember very

1189
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: well because my son was fourteen weeks old when this happened.

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 3: And I'm lying in bed and I wake up. I

1191
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: hear something strange. I wake up my husband and then

1192
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: we heard a big bang and the alarm in our

1193
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 3: house went out. He left the bedroom where I was,

1194
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: and I called the police even though the alarm was

1195
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: going and they said they're on their way.

1196
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: I was hysterical.

1197
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: I was holding the baby infant in one arm, had

1198
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: the phone to my ear. I had a ceramic lamp

1199
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: in the other hand, just waiting, and then I could

1200
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: hear punches being thrown and landing. So I thought, I

1201
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: thought I was listening to my husband being beaten to

1202
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: death by whomever just came in and curdled our house.

1203
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 3: Turns out it was the police came and Wade actually

1204
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: he's a black belt in taekwondo and he probably yeah,

1205
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: And we were heavily in crab magaw, which is really

1206
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: defensive fighting anyway, But this kid, it turned out I

1207
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: lived near a college and he was on basalts and

1208
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: had confused where I lived as some friend's house and

1209
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: just banged in. But I could hear while the you know,

1210
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 3: punching was going on, this guy saying and you owe

1211
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 3: me money and there's a lawyer, and I mean, just

1212
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: nonsense craziness. And that was my experience with basalts. Scary

1213
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: With you, it was so it was so scary.

1214
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I just met you right after that,

1215
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: because I remember thinking that was like a harrowing tale

1216
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: beyond measure, like that's a scary tale. That's why I

1217
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: had to lock you windows like I live in a

1218
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: very happy place in my life. In my head, I

1219
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: believe that the world is beautiful and safe and I

1220
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: I love and that people do the right thing right.

1221
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: But until they're own bath salts right like drugs that

1222
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: could make it go real sideways and they're crawling through

1223
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: the window that think they're going into their you know

1224
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: bedroom at home, and hey they're actually in yours. I

1225
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: can be very very scary.

1226
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 4: I can't be around unstable people, like I just can't.

1227
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 4: I know that sounds crazy, but like I could never

1228
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: be like a tweaker because they're so unstable, Like I

1229
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: just couldn't do it.

1230
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm like the I'm like, you're the opposite stability.

1231
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1232
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm like the picture of stability, you know,

1233
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: Like I have a like rejected way about me all

1234
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: the time. I love it.

1235
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 7: I joy.

1236
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 2: Not that there's alcohol involved, but it is just sort

1237
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: of a manner by which I live. I don't need

1238
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: the booze. But you're very steady.

1239
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very steady, Like so loud no tweakers a

1240
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 4: lout at my house.

1241
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 2: Huh huh uh huh. I could not live that lifestyle.

1242
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. I Yeah, I'm kind of with you.

1243
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: There's nothing grosser than that. Look. Also, yeah, it's tough

1244
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 2: specifically like these bath salts things like that, where it's

1245
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: like I don't know, you're you're taking, you're taking stuff

1246
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: that's putting in a whole new planet that.

1247
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm not into it it anyway, not at all.

1248
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: But God's okay. Did Wade like karate chop his karate

1249
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: chop the intruder?

1250
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 16: Yeah, he be honest, that is exactly what my friend

1251
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 16: said after the Sorry kind of hot though, Yeah, over Wade,

1252
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 16: and he was a big college kid, like a big

1253
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 16: six long hair.

1254
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was defending his woman in his baby and

1255
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: the puppies.

1256
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 9: Yes, well we got more talk about.

1257
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 17: Hey guys, this is Brittany and the Philippines again. My

1258
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 17: team and I who fight trafficking listen to all of

1259
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 17: your shows. We love it and it just helps us

1260
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 17: be compressed after some pretty long days. So I just

1261
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 17: wanted to say thank you for bringing awareness about trafficking

1262
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 17: and how.

1263
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 15: Abhorrent it is. And we just listened to your last

1264
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 15: episode and I work with all locals and they were

1265
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 15: so happy that in American podcast is talking about this

1266
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 15: subject because sometimes we just wonder if people know about

1267
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 15: the evil that happens around the world and in America.

1268
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 15: So just thank you again for just using your voice

1269
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 15: to talk about such a terrible topic and what goes on.

1270
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: Oh, Brittany, you're the hero. Thank you. That's a very

1271
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: hard gig. You had a hard job, has a hard job,

1272
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: and a really necessary one, I mean, and you're so

1273
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: far away from home too.

1274
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: On top of it, like in the Philippines, Wow, hello

1275
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 4: to the Philippines.

1276
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: You know, we did a documentary Murdered and Missing in Montana,

1277
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: which kind of did focus around Native American reservations and

1278
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: some of the issues that they're facing, not some the

1279
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: most heavy issues about in real time. Yeah, it's unbearable, frankly,

1280
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: and it was a real eye opener because I think

1281
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,799
Speaker 2: I felt as though I was a pretty functional person

1282
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: in the world. We were working in true crime, Courtney,

1283
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: you and I both had this experience, and it was

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 2: pretty shocking how little we knew and it was happening

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01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 2: right under our nose. Just didn't make any sense. And

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01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: like it's one of those things once you once you

1287
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: hear more about trafficking, it's it's really hard to unsee it.

1288
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: And when you realize that this is a real high

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: stakes operation happening at the highest level, and what a

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: money maker it is. I mean, that's personally why I'm

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: so crazy about the Epstein stuff. I just think it

1292
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: all ties to a larger story and you just don't

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: know what that means. But like, you know, kids are

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: getting snatched. You know, we hear the statistics at the

1295
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and United States is one of the largest

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: sex traffickers events in the world. I didn't know that

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: much in the world. And by the way, the technology

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: that's being utilized is unimaginable. So we talk about our

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: digital footprints, you know, the digital footprints that are being

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: used to basically look for young adults that are you know,

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: either have a certain look about them because they're so

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: beautiful that they're probably top dollar, or they're so beautiful

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: that they're probably top dollar and they're in a wayward situation,

1304
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: meaning that maybe maybe they just lost mom or dad

1305
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: and they're depressed, or they're maybe easily taken from their

1306
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: familial unit and maybe the family is so worked up

1307
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 2: on other stuff they're not kind of paying attention in

1308
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: real time. Sure, that's a traffickers dream and social media

1309
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 2: is really the blueprint. Right, So the level at which

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: you know, we think of like CSI and like fancy

1311
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: you know tech investigations that are happening in law enforcement.

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: Imagine that exact same level of technology that we see

1313
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: in the movies being used for evil and being used

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: to essentially capture children. It's really no joke.

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 4: You got to talk about that, that gang you were

1316
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 4: talking about the technology.

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, to talk about that.

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 4: Oh my Goshren Stephanie, you said something so profound just

1319
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 4: now when you were you were talking about the technology

1320
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 4: being used for evil, right, and it reminds me of that.

1321
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: So we have to touch on that. We we have to.

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would love to dig into that because I

1323
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 9: hadn't heard about that case insane or even while we

1324
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 9: were talking earlier. Stephan and I just statistics about child trafficking,

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 9: and one that surprised the two of us is that

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 9: nearly fifty percent of almost fifty percent of identified cases

1327
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 9: of child trafficking began with some family members involvement, so

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 9: that the number.

1329
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: Is somebody allowing you to go down.

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 9: Yeah, like the exact numbers forty one percent, But that

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 9: is insane, Like all of these families, like someone is

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 9: actually involved.

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: That they're profiting somehow.

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 9: Well.

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: It can be financial hardship, it can be substance abuse,

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 3: it can be deceptioned by traffickers, mental health coercion and these.

1337
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 3: Taha and Eva and the whole team did research on this,

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 3: and what we're saying is from yeah, the International Organization

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 3: for Migration, which is a UN organization, so that's where

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: this information comes from.

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 9: But I always assumed it would have been like, you know,

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 9: like someone's snatching all groups of people, just snatching kids,

1343
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 9: if you will. But it's not always a case oh no.

1344
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: No, and you can be coerced and by the way,

1345
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: you're coerced in some cases, not all cases, and sometimes

1346
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: it's very young children. But in other cases it's like, hey,

1347
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: here's some alcohol, young right, so your mom and dad

1348
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: aren't understanding you, come on you party, I'll understand how, yeah, exactly,

1349
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: and like and so it goes and then you're, you know,

1350
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: suddenly you lose your license and you have no money

1351
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: to get home. You know, they're they're they're really tricky.

1352
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: Is a big one of them. I don't want to

1353
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: say this because obviously innocent until proven guilty, period, the end,

1354
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: the story about Melody is stressing me out a little

1355
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: bit because it has some of the low key fundamentals

1356
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: to some of the scarier sex trafficking cases that we've covered.

1357
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: It's wigs, it's license plates, like some of that stuff

1358
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: is a really organized machine. By the way, license plates

1359
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: is a very big one. Like just the idea of

1360
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: changing out license plates, like we're hearing in that case,

1361
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: is a real identifier. Right, So if you have the

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: wherewithal to know how to get fake license plates and

1363
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: how to actually put somebody that you love in a

1364
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: disguise to get them out of a situation. Now, my

1365
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: hope is that in Melody's case, maybe she's been taken

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: to a beloved family member and she's safe and she's sound,

1367
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: and there was something that in her mother, Ashley's mind,

1368
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: she's saving her child from. That's where I'm going to

1369
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: put my thought, in my hope, in my prayer. But

1370
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: in reality that us have a lot of trappings of trafficking.

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: And by the way, our caller can speak to this

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01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: way more than I can.

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01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, we really appreciate that.

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: Britain.

1375
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you for the job you do.

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do.

1377
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: Yes, and you and your your whole team.

1378
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 8: Yeah you know what I mean.

1379
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: Please call us with some more info too of things

1380
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: that you're looking out for and keeping us safe. The

1381
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: statistics are always really hard and nebulous and by the way,

1382
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 2: changing real time. But again we are seeing this happening

1383
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: with really big, influential, important, wealthy men, real time children

1384
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 2: and kids and adults. We don't get sold like cattle,

1385
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: even cattle aren't being sold that way. Like that's a

1386
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: real big operation. And the disdain that traffickers have for

1387
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: human life is pretty unimaginable, and it's really hard to

1388
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 2: get home.

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 4: And it's not just sex trafficking, right, it's also like labor,

1390
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 4: yea labor as well, yeah.

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: Freely but even Stephanie, you mentioned people aren't cattle, and

1392
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: of course they're not, but something else that's so traumatizing

1393
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 3: for uh, you know, traffickers. I don't think often is

1394
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: the word, but it's it is not uncommon for them

1395
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 3: to tattoo, whether it's their name or their signal, and

1396
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 3: that also creates such shame in victims, that makes them

1397
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: shamed to try and get out.

1398
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 9: Because it's well, yeah.

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 4: My understanding too is I'll often get rid of women's hairs,

1400
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 4: and I because women often like our whole identity is

1401
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 4: in our hair sometimes, like I know, at least for

1402
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 4: me it is. And that's like, that's what I learned

1403
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 4: that working on Chokaia's case Besaia Choicaia Blue Hearting.

1404
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they just cut your you know, Chokaia. We

1405
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: obviously that's right. The podcast that you made, which is

1406
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: following up from our dock. We just couldn't let it

1407
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,919
Speaker 2: go because there were others that just needed answers desperately,

1408
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: and frankly there was nobody helping.

1409
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 12: No.

1410
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 2: Wow, so sad. It's something's really sad.

1411
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 4: We'll keep it here. We've gotten more to dig into.

1412
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna do some more talkbacks, maybe a couple of dms.

1413
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 4: Keep it right here with True friend tonight.

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: Body Movin and our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong. Huge round

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: of applause, everybody. We have Taha and Sam and Adam

1418
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 2: in the house and also Gabe Castillo in the background

1419
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: here in Nashville. Yay Gabe. Happy birthday. Gabe's dad, by

1420
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: the way, Gabe's dad exactly exactly. Gabe works with us

1421
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,480
Speaker 2: at Katie Studios and I have dragged him to Nashville

1422
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: to check it out, and I feel like we've gotten

1423
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: a lot accomplished, right Gabe, Yeah, he is nodding with enthusiasm.

1424
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 2: We are just has barbecue on our behalf.

1425
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 3: And Gabe the way he keeps the all of the

1426
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: podcast flow and.

1427
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: Like his hands are in his hands are everything. Yeah,

1428
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 2: Gabe's hands are literally in everything and.

1429
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 3: He does it seamlessly and like gently, just for a gentleman.

1430
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 3: And he has helped me and Stephanie through tech issues

1431
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 3: and you know, you would think my hair was on

1432
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: fire and he's like, I got it, there's no problem,

1433
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: Like your manner is really good.

1434
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: So true. He gave right out of college. Yes, Courtney

1435
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: made us do a big round like she's very good.

1436
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: This is where Courtney's like Courney Armstrong story extrata. We

1437
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 2: were like, we need to hire somebody. So Courtney was like,

1438
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to do blind interviews and she interviewed like

1439
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 2: two hundred people. It was a lot. And then I

1440
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: did the second round with her. But like she was

1441
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 2: like she does an interview. You know, I'm like, it

1442
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: seems cool and like Barnie knows what's out with the interview,

1443
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, having had made a few bad choices in

1444
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: my day. Like she's like, and then know I'm stepping

1445
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: in here. And that's how we met Gabe and it

1446
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: was instant we be worth were like He's the one.

1447
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: And yeah, shout out to Gabe's dad, whose birthday is

1448
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: also today, because man, you raised a great young man.

1449
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: And we're all going to be working for Gabe. Yay,

1450
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 2: Gae yay and rightleye.

1451
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 9: Right yeah, great team, a.

1452
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: Great team that just you know, right like that just

1453
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: like says it all.

1454
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 9: Are we ready for another talkback? Yeah we are, let's

1455
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 9: do it.

1456
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 11: Come on, hey, y'all from Bama. I wanted to throw

1457
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 11: my hat in the ring for a cross pot rest

1458
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 11: so family love. When I make the Mississippi pot roast

1459
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 11: maka to make, it's just like six ingredients, I think.

1460
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 11: So it's whatever South beef roast you want. Then you're

1461
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 11: going to put in a packet of rants seasoning, one

1462
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 11: packet of alls you Brady mix harrots, cut up potatoes,

1463
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 11: then one stick of butter and peppercini, peppers, and some

1464
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 11: of the juice from the jar. You want to get

1465
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 11: them jarred anyway. You cook that on six on high

1466
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 11: for six to eight hours.

1467
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 12: It's so good.

1468
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 11: I cook a little rice for it to have it

1469
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 11: as like a sow, but it's really good without it.

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: It's delicious. I've had it many times. Really, I never

1471
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: heard of it.

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01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 18: The beef do I get? I actually get top pot

1473
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 18: roast is what I would get. Yeah, so straight pot

1474
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 18: roads that I do. I have to go to a

1475
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 18: special butcher. Yeah, okay, so I get my butcher. Then

1476
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 18: the pepper and chini.

1477
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: That's like the whole I sound like I'm a complete

1478
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: more and I recognize I'm a pretty basics. So but

1479
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: it comes in a sauce.

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01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 4: No, the there's juice in the jar, you know, like

1481
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: you just pour a little bit in there, like a

1482
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: like a pickle juice.

1483
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of say, I say, okay, great, and

1484
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,480
Speaker 2: then the carrots and then the carrots and potatoes.

1485
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 4: I just I just do the ranch the I'll do

1486
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 4: and the pepperccini and the beef. It's in the stick

1487
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 4: of butter and the stick of the butter. And I

1488
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: don't like my food touching.

1489
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm really weird about that.

1490
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 4: So I don't like stew because like there's too many

1491
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 4: there's food touching. I'm so weird about that, you guys.

1492
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 4: I keep telling you guys, like I can't get into

1493
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 4: an elevator.

1494
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 2: I don't like my food touching. I sound like a

1495
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 2: weird you sound like a human being. But though the

1496
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: tip last night was a good one about layering in

1497
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: the crock pot delicious beyond, there's a little left over

1498
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm gonna, you know, and and splitting

1499
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: it up and like taking a fork and knife and

1500
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: making it look shredding. Oh shredding. That's key. Did not

1501
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: know that?

1502
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: It's wonderful and it stretches it and you get some

1503
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: and avery bite and there's a lot of pluses.

1504
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 9: I'm like salivating right now.

1505
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: The pot roast is going to happen tomorrow. I'm going

1506
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: to really takes a really hip that I get. I

1507
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: will well, I don't have the beat. I can get

1508
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: that in the morning, though, I have just get like

1509
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: in the morning anyway.

1510
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 4: And you can make sandwiches. You can make oval rice

1511
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 4: like you know, like she does. I do that.

1512
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: I do it of rice.

1513
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 4: So good, but you know sandwiches, you can have it

1514
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 4: even for I mean, it's so delicious and you don't

1515
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 4: it's not spicy.

1516
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 2: You think it would be with the peppercini, but it's

1517
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: not at all.

1518
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 9: It's such a spicy.

1519
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good. That would be just savory, like

1520
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: tang a little bit. It just gives them a little omph.

1521
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: It's really good.

1522
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be three pounds.

1523
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 2: It is very protein based, so you can like nibble

1524
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: on it all day throughout the day. I was doing again,

1525
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: this is like, I'm not recommending this as a recipe,

1526
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: but it is kind of delicious. And this is my

1527
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: two ingredient Kracbot, which is I take apricot jam. This

1528
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: is gonna sound gross, apricot jam and mustard, uh, and

1529
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: put them together and then I glaze that over my

1530
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: crock pot. I'm sure I should add other things, but

1531
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 2: it's actually pretty awesome. Wait wait, wait, yeah, I do

1532
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 2: my Dijon mustard. Now you can get two kinds of

1533
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: Dijon mustard. One that's a little bit more hearty and

1534
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: it seems to have like some peppers in it, or

1535
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: just straight up Dijon mustard, and then I mix that

1536
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: with africot jam and then ding ding ding ding, and

1537
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: then I like glaze it all over my chicken breasts

1538
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: and then yeah, aft no, yeah, but stranger things have happened.

1539
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: But okay, good adjustment. So yeah, Michael, I'm down. And

1540
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: then you put it over your chicken and you just

1541
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: let it rip and it's it's really delicious. It kind

1542
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 2: of tastes a little bit like sweet and sourness. Way

1543
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: just up with the cocktail.

1544
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 9: The cocktail?

1545
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Yes, what is the cocktail of choice? So I would

1546
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: like to know what your cocktail of choice is these days, Courtney,

1547
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't answer this question if I haven't touched it.

1548
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: My husband brought it in. I want to see you

1549
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: just it's a background.

1550
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 3: It's an old fashioned and Wade also is a bartender.

1551
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 2: I love him. It is my favorite. The guy's got

1552
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: like a lot of differ bartender. Yes.

1553
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 3: Can I actually can I tell you very briefly, it's

1554
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 3: a one second story how I fell in love with him? Yes,

1555
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 3: or the moment I knew I was in love with him.

1556
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 3: He was fixing literally the guts of my computer, so

1557
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: he had like wires out right and was telling me

1558
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 3: as I mentioned he has you know, the black belt,

1559
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: and was describing what he knows how to kill someone,

1560
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: and I.

1561
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: Was like, I love this man. This is pre her

1562
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: working in true crime by my dad. Yes, guy has

1563
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: defended your life. He knocked out an intruder. He just

1564
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: brought you an old fashioned cocktail. Yeah, like my father

1565
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: and Courtney shared the same drinking games. In terms of

1566
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Manhattan's those are complicated drinks to make too. I mean

1567
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: that's complicated but specific. No, you need to work it,

1568
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, you got to make it good. And is

1569
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: it just an overall great guy. He appreciates the great

1570
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: woman he has.

1571
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: Oh he's a good Oh he just texted it's a Calvedo,

1572
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: so old fashion with homemade black pepper, bay leaf, cinnamon,

1573
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 3: simple syrups. So oh yeah, he makes simple syrup, orange

1574
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 3: bitters and a splash of Liqueur forty three, which is

1575
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 3: a Spanish vanilla liqueur.

1576
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 9: Oh my god.

1577
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 2: He's very like who even I have. Like obviously I

1578
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: have very a basic life starting over, but like pop

1579
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 2: up with a prosecco. Baby, I'm having a prosecco that

1580
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: works with you. The cond from Trader, Joe's in your

1581
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: honor right, Like Trader Joe's little Prosecco. Come on on, Ice,

1582
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm having that in my head with you right now.

1583
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 2: Is your drink of choice?

1584
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 4: I I really you know, I really like a Cadillac

1585
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 4: Margarita is my favorite with salt. A Cadillac, A shot

1586
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 4: of Grandmagnier. Yeah, and I had one. I had one

1587
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 4: on Saturday.

1588
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Was it so good?

1589
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 4: It was so good and I wanted another one, but

1590
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 4: I was driving, so I was like, I better know.

1591
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you don't really drink, period, I really don't drink.

1592
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 4: You're not a I'm not a drinker. I used to be,

1593
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 4: but no, I'm too I listen, I'm fifty two now.

1594
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: One drink very early. You know. My days start early,

1595
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 2: like in they're law yeah, and they're long. They're long.

1596
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 4: When I drink, I feel like I wake up and

1597
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm like like, yeah, so I just don't drink anymore

1598
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 4: just because of the hangover the next day.

1599
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: I don't want to like it.

1600
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 9: I feel like I would go crazy in Vegas though,

1601
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 9: I just walked through every casino and get a free cock,

1602
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 9: give me another free drink on the way through.

1603
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: But you really don't get I mean, listen, it's just

1604
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 4: not like that anymore. Walking from the casino to casino,

1605
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 4: there are there's These casinos are huge, so walking the

1606
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 4: strip is just like impossible to do now, Like it's

1607
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 4: just not something that you can do. Like walking to

1608
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 4: a casino will take you thirty five minutes at the cha, right,

1609
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 4: and then you.

1610
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: Get their elevators and and everyone's smoking inside and right,

1611
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: it's a thing.

1612
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 4: So then you get inside and then you gotta if

1613
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: you want a free drink, you got to put money

1614
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 4: in a slot machine, and then you have to wait

1615
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 4: for the cocktail waitress maybe to come over, you know

1616
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it's just not a thing.

1617
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: Well, I have a different experience at black jack tables.

1618
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,919
Speaker 2: I sound like a vapors every week. You're a good gambler.

1619
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 2: She's a good gambler. I beat bodies a good gambler too.

1620
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: I don't gamble either.

1621
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 9: If you have, if you did, right, I think you

1622
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 9: probably remember I put.

1623
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: My money on you for sure. Totally.

1624
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 4: I have an addictive personality, do you know what I mean?

1625
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 4: And like I just can't like I would be literally

1626
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 4: broke because I live here.

1627
01:28:50,040 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 2: Like Spots the show, It's like she's like there's been

1628
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: no daylight outside. It's like twenty four hours a day

1629
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: in Vegas. Fair. That's a fair point.

1630
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 9: A favorite cocktail, yeah, mine is I like anything with

1631
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 9: like vodka, probably, I like that. I like a Moscow mule.

1632
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 9: That's a pretty easy one.

1633
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: But I do like this is a Muscule mule.

1634
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 9: I think it's ginger beer, vodka and fresh line, so

1635
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 9: it's pretty Yeah, I.

1636
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 3: Thought it was gin no no no vodka. Yeah, I'm

1637
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 3: so bumm taha. I just gave away. I had four

1638
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:38,799
Speaker 3: copper the copper mugs. I was just gonna say, must

1639
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 3: but neither. I don't drink. I don't like vodka. Actually,

1640
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: that makes me feel sick.

1641
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Yeah, but I would have given

1642
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 2: them to you. By the way. Prosecco in those copper

1643
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 2: mugs that are chilled, nothing to shake a stick.

1644
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 9: At, not at all. I love prosecco. That's another one

1645
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 9: I like. And I'll splash the cranberry in it, yes,

1646
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 9: because we're fancy taste.

1647
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 2: In my head, that seems fancy.

1648
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 9: Frozen food in it.

1649
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: It's frozen fruit, like a frozen peach or something.

1650
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 9: Keeps it nice and cold.

1651
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm dabbling with a new non alcoholic wine line, which,

1652
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: by the way, it's great, no one's against it tastes

1653
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 2: like I don't I want to do a taste test

1654
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: where I don't know that I'm not told which is

1655
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: which I'm not sure I would be able to tell.

1656
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm also, you know, impressionable. But you know, I don't

1657
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 2: know that. I think there's like a feeling of it

1658
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, this is so fun. Pour it out.

1659
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: Anything in a wine glass is more fun, Sam, Adam,

1660
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 2: what do you think I have cotail choice?

1661
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, what's there?

1662
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 19: You know, I'm not a big drinker, so uh, I

1663
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 19: haven't when you do.

1664
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 2: If you were going to celebrate it's New Year's Eve

1665
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 2: on the and you're in Paris, it's the best New

1666
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 2: Year's Eve ever, and they're like, Sam, let's toast.

1667
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 19: I mean, I'll have like a beer, you know, Like

1668
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 19: I mean I like whiskey and gen and tonic and.

1669
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so that's like a cocktail.

1670
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 19: But it's expensive to drink, and if I'm not drinking

1671
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 19: all the time, I'm not just like down to just

1672
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 19: put down twenty dollars to experiment on a drink. You know.

1673
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 19: It's like, I don't know I don't get a lot

1674
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 19: of joy out of that. But we'll see if Sam area.

1675
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 13: It's a toss between white Russians.

1676
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 2: Just Sam, I was not expecting you to say it. Yeah,

1677
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: how big Lebowski of you? Yeah, well that's how I

1678
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 2: got it. But I was just gonna say you for

1679
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: sure got that for the big Lebowski shout out. That's

1680
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: a good way I support a white Russian. Though. Boy,

1681
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,679
Speaker 2: that's thick, like it's a crazy in a glass.

1682
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 9: Yea thick and heavy, But it's good.

1683
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like the weird eggnug that I

1684
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 2: can't totally get on board with. Boy do I want to?

1685
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 2: But what goes on with eggnog? Is there? What hurt

1686
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 2: my stomach drinking? I want to be on board.

1687
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 13: It's actually it's like just anything milk or cream or whatever.

1688
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 2: It's not no, I know, it's.

1689
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 9: Like it's kind of got that. It's not a far

1690
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 9: cry like.

1691
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 4: Drinking like four glasses of milk. I'm gonna be full, right,

1692
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like I feel like I

1693
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 4: would be full.

1694
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't agnog is eggnog? Like why do I why

1695
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: do we talk about eggnog the holiday?

1696
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 19: But listens I like agnog that I want to like

1697
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 19: because wait.

1698
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 2: Do you put alcohol in it? Or do you just

1699
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 2: like it's straight?

1700
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 9: I think I think it's a rum mixture. Typically if

1701
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 9: you do the alcohol, I think it's rum and nutmeg

1702
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:56,759
Speaker 9: or something.

1703
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 4: Fireball, fireball in Chada in an eggnog is delicious.

1704
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 2: It tastes like a cinnamon roll.

1705
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 4: It's so do you like cinnamon most of course, So

1706
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 4: even it's just a little bit of eggnog, some ram

1707
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 4: chatta and a shot a fireball.

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Speaker 2: Good to go. Okay, So I have to come to

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Speaker 2: Vegas for that because I like a white Russian too, Sam,

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Speaker 2: you were not alone. I can't have it because I'm

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Speaker 2: probably allergic in some way to probably, but I like,

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Speaker 2: I want to real I want to understand eggnog. This

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Speaker 2: is the season that maybe we all understand eggnog a

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Speaker 2: little bit better. And by the way, that'll be because

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Speaker 2: of Adam. Adam show us the way tomorrow Wednesday, Big night,

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Speaker 2: so we'll be back. Thank you for sharing your talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: and talk Back Tuesday is always it's frankly always our favorite,

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Speaker 2: so keep them coming because it's it's talk back Tuesday

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Speaker 2: every night. Uh and tomorrow we have a huge show

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Speaker 2: because we have Tyler, the composer of the music you

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Speaker 2: hear every night, sharing his true crime tales. Stay with

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Speaker 2: us tomorrow and stay safe