1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: the parties are divided in terms of the effect that 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: the stimulus is going to have. This inflation debate has 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: really been heating up, the effect of what the Biden 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: administration is spending on political capital. Bloomberg Sound on the insiders, 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: the influencers, the insights, a group of centrists are the 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: key senators to watch. Jill Biden gives number one focus 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: in addition to the COVID health crisis is jobs. I 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: don't quickly have red roads and blue roads, and that's 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: the way we're looking at this. Schoomberg Sound On with 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: Kevin Serially on Bloomberg Radio the latest on the stimulus front, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: plus an exclusive conversation with Mike McCall, top Republican on 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: House Foreign Affairs Committee. We talked about a wide ranging 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: host of geo political issues, and Melissa Fara joins me live. 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Lots of reports about authorities are saying might happen tomorrow 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. We're gonna talk with the former 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: White House Director of Strategic Communications to President Trump. Remember 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: she heavily criticized Trump after January six, So we've got 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot to get through. My name is Kevin curli On, 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio, 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: a company none other by Bloomberg Politics contributor Jennie Shawn 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Zano and Tyler Deeton. Tyler is a Republican strategist, fundraiser, 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: and president of Allegiance Strategies. We begin tonight with a 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: big story, tough words from President Biden for Republican governors 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: loosening their state's COVID nineteen restrictions. In Texas and Mississippi, 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: statewide mask mandates are being lifted as our most if 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: not all limits on businesses and the White House today 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: At the White House today, the President said he wishes 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: some elected leaders understood the science of masks and social distancing. 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Here's the sound on that, the last thing, and thinking 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: that in the meantime, everything's fine. Take off your mask, 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: forget it. It still matters, wash your hands, hot water, 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: do it frequently, wear a mask and stay socially distanced. 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: And uh, I know you all know that I wish 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: the heck some of our elected officials do it well. 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: One of those elected officials, Senator John Corny, in a 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: Republican from Texas responded to President Biden's comments. Here's the 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: sound on this from Senator Corner. This is not just 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: a one dimensional problem. We need to look at the 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: whole thing. And I think Governor Abbott in the state 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: of Texas, I'm proud of the work we've done, Genie 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: john Zo. I mean, on the one On the one hand, 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: President Biden the other day saying that everyone's gonna have 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: the vaccine. Adult Americans are just a couple of months 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: and now we're back into this politicization of the mask. 46 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: That's true. And you know one thing that's curious to 47 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: me as we see, you know, the Senate getting set to, 48 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: we assume m in the next week or so vote 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: on this big bill as it pertains to these states 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: like Texas and Mississippi, and governors like Governor Abbott and 51 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Governor Reeves. When that money comes, which we're assuming it 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: will for COVID relief and things like schools getting retrofitted, 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: do they accept that money or reject that money. I 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: think that's a big question that they're going to have 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: to answer, because of course, they have made the political 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: case in those states that they are moving in a 57 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: different direction and may not need that money, which is uh, 58 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, going to be curious to see how their 59 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: citizens react, because of course that bill is very very popular. Well, 60 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Tyler didn't come in here because on the one hand, 61 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: people the poll suggest that people are going frustrated and 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: losing patients on on how the dynamics have shaped up 63 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: with the lingering restrictions on COVID. But on the other hand, 64 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: the Biding administration is saying that because it's because of 65 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: their work that that we're all going to get vaccines 66 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in a couple of months, which is right. Um, well, 67 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that either of them are right. 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I think that this is um masks on schools open, 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Like that's to me where both parties need to find 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: the common ground and both parties need to give a 71 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: little bit here because we need our masks on right, 72 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Like the the Texas reopening, ending the mask mandate like 73 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: that is that is clearly not a solution and it's 74 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: clearly premature to be going there. But I think that 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: what we're hearing from across the country, across the political 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: spectrum is that schools need to be open, and so 77 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: let's get our priorities in straight you know, I am 78 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: someone who has been a very you know, Trump skeptical Republican. 79 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: I want Biden to succeed. I think I speak for 80 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: a lot of other Republicans who feel like the vaccinations 81 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: are still not going quick enough and we're still not 82 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: opening up schools quick enough. But if the trade off 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: in all of this is that we need to keep 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: our masks on, then that's worth it. Like, keep our 85 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: masks on means that we can open our schools. It 86 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: means that people can get back to work. And so 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: until we get the all clear, which I guess, you know, 88 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: the smarter minds will say that that's whenever they say 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: that we've reached you know, vaccination herd immunity, then we 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: can start to take the masks off. But until then, 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: masks on, and yes, schools open. The schools have got 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: to be reopened, all right. Well, I actually put this 93 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: question to UH one of the top lawmakers in Texas, 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and that's congress Mike McCall, and I asked some point 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: blank about Governor Abbot's UH decision yesterday and whether or 96 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: not he agrees with it and what's going on with 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: the masks and UH Congressman McCall by the way, is 98 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: the top Republican on the Foreign House Foreign Affairs Committee, 99 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: and we have a broader conversation as you'll hear. But 100 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: here's his answer on what he what he thinks about 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: Texas ending the mask mandate. Here's the sound on that. Well, 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: I think we've had We've had COVID now four years, 103 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: a lot of people have vaccinated. UM. I think what 104 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: the governor is simply doing is taking the civil penalty 105 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: off of this. Businesses can still have a mandate if 106 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: they choose to do so in any county that has 107 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: more than population. UH with COVID in the hospitals can 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: also have a mass requirement up. Just give a little 109 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: more flexibility back to the local level, which I think, 110 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, we haven't experienced the pandemic in our lifetimes 111 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: at least, and it's kind of a case by case 112 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: basis here. I hope that it prevails. UM. Texans do 113 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: like their independence and and and I think, you know, 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: I think it's time to start relaxing some of this. 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: You know, they also like their their power and as 116 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, just staying in Texas, there's been a recent 117 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: push to weatherize UH. Texas is power grid. And as 118 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: we're looming, uh, we're setting up for a looming battle 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: on infrastructure. Just do you think that there's an appetite 120 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: among to your colleagues on both sides of the aisle 121 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: to provide some money to update texas As power grid. 122 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I think we have to. We have to winter rise 123 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: our power grid. And as you know, air Cut runs 124 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: independently on its own and that was done intentionally to 125 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: not have federal burdens on it and uh um, and 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: with that we get a lot of cybersecurity. We're not 127 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: connected to other grids. Having said that, in this case, 128 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: it was to our downfall. Um. Yeah, the northeast grids 129 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: are vulnerable, but they are winter rise and they do 130 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: have winter storms like we experienced. We're just not used 131 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: to it. And I think it's it's time for Texas 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: to make the investment necessary to winter rise our power 133 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: grid operations. You know, here we are in the middle 134 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of all of these different spending battles on on Capitol Hill, 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: whether it's infrastructure. Obviously, the Senate's taking up at the 136 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: one point nine trillion dollars stimulus UH spending bill this week. 137 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I there's bipartisan agreement 138 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: on is to make sure that the United States doesn't 139 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: lose its competitive advantage against China, especially as China just 140 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago has passed their own UH 141 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: technology proposals through the Communist Party of China. Just in 142 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: your work on the committee, sir, what are you seeing 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: as some of the key policy areas that need to 144 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: be dealt with in the immediate short term, especially as 145 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: it relates to keep the US competitive edge against China. Well, 146 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: you're right, China is investing a trillion dollars in their 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: digital economy. We have to compete with that, and and 148 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: you know they have the Belt and Road initiative with Huawei, 149 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: which is basically a telecount surveillance network, and we've got 150 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: to be more competitive with them in the five G space, 151 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: automated intelligence, quantum computing. I think the big issue of 152 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: the day UH COVID was a wake up call on 153 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: supply chain. You know, how can our medical supplies being 154 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: held hostage by the Chinese Communist Party, who actually started 155 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: the whole virus in the first place. I recently met 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: with the President President Biden in the White House in 157 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: the Oval Office talking about supply chain issues. I think 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: he fully appreciates and understands the issue. See, this is 159 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: where the national security and manufacturing domestically really collide. So 160 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: what specifically would you like to see done in order 161 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: to incentivize some of that semiconductor chip manufacturing to bring 162 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: jobs to the United States. Well, already gotta authorized on 163 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: the National Defense Authorization Bill, the Chips for America Act. 164 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: So this is this whole program has been authorized, which 165 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: would include a Department of Commerce grant program billions for 166 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: research and development. But I think most importantly is this 167 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: this investment refundable tax credit. We've got to give these 168 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: manufacturers more tax incentives to relocate and build in the US. 169 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I just got off the phone with the Samsung in 170 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: my district when they're looking at building out their manufacturing capabilities. 171 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: But they need to be incentivised. And it's it's one 172 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: of the largest foreign investments in the United States at 173 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the same time, so critical to our national security. These 174 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: are advanced ships from everything from your iPhone to thirty 175 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: five you know, fighter plane, and so hugely important. Well, 176 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's part of this broader conversation that 177 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: I think the United States based upon conversations with people 178 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: like yourself and candidly on both sides of the aisle 179 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: is starting to have geo politically in terms of this 180 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: broader conversation of techno democracies versus techno autocracies. How important 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,359 Speaker 1: is it to make sure that five G is operating 182 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: from the same as the previous administration coined the term 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: a clean network, so to speak with our U S allies. Well, 184 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: I thought the previous administration, we're very closely with them 185 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: on the clean network getting Whahwei out, and we were 186 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: losing the battle against Wallawai for a while in their 187 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: belts and run initiative and developing Nations and uh under 188 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: security CRAC. Good friend of mine went h to Europe, 189 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: I got a lot of m I U sign including 190 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: got the Brits to agree not to take Lahwei, and 191 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: then you went through a lot of these developing nations 192 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: basically to educate them to look um, well, maybe cheaper, 193 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: it's the cheaper quality five G by the way, but 194 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be your long term best interest because 195 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna have all your data and they will be 196 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: able to basically conducted, as I've said before, a telecom 197 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: surveillance program in your country. That's not what we do. 198 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: We have a clean five G system that that that's 199 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: not a data tracker surveillance program. And so, uh, they 200 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: had a lot of success, and we need to keep 201 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: that momentum going so that we win against the Chinese 202 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and five G. It's not just the five G data, 203 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: it's also health data. Are you concerned, Congressman, that the 204 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Communist Party of China is collecting Americans health DNA data? 205 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: I know they are, and I've been briefed on this, 206 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and both the unclassified and classified space. There's geno genetic 207 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: genetic data that they have, uh, they have from Americans 208 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: in the United States that they would like to exploit. Uh. 209 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: There there's some other crazy things we're doing that quite frankly, Kevin, 210 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,359 Speaker 1: I can't get into because it is so highly classified, 211 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: but in terms of military getting genetic material to enhance 212 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: their military prowess, and uh, I think it's something that 213 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: we really need to stop taking a blind eye to. 214 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: This beat G I they call it has clear clear 215 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: links to the Chinese Communies Party and they there are 216 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: no restrictions on the ex exports of this data health 217 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: data to China and I think we need to start 218 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: looking at getting protecting this US health information. I mean, 219 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: most Americans if they heard this story today, Kevin would 220 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: just be in shock that they have Americans genetic data. 221 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: To even go beyond that, it's not just in the 222 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: United States. But to your point, Congressman, China and Russia 223 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: have been making deals around the world for vaccination distribution. 224 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Are they are they beating the United States in terms 225 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: of exerting soft power on on various countries as it 226 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: relates to vaccination distribution and the deals that are going 227 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: on on on vaccines. Well, remember what they do with 228 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: the personal protective equipment. They they knew in advance that 229 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: this is going to happen well before the rest of 230 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: the world, and they hit They did not they did 231 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: not broadcast this was going into a pandemic, and they 232 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: actually covered it out. Um, they hoarded the pp they 233 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: bought it all over the place and then basically exhorted 234 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: other nations in this sort of goodwill and vast or 235 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: ship of giving out PPE. Uh. It does concern me 236 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: that is very deceptive on their part. But I would 237 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: have to say the putin vaccine president vaccine, I wouldn't 238 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: recommend it. There are no safety standards like we have 239 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: in this country, and I think are our vaccines are safe? 240 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: And I'm very worried about this asked distribution by Putin 241 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: in his country in prison gi with a China vaccine 242 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: and some of these longer term health implications. Let's stay 243 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: with Russia as we UH. There's been some new developments 244 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: on the nord Stream to UH, and in fact, there 245 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: was a bipartisan letter that was sent of course to 246 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: the to UH Secretary of State Tony Blincoln that you 247 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: signed congressman um as it relates to sanctions designations from 248 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: last week. What are you doing, what what is the 249 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: committee doing? And and the bipartisan work that is being 250 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: done UH in order to stop the North Stream to pipeline, 251 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: we passed a biparson mandatory sanctions on the construction and 252 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: finishing of the Nord Stream TO projects. It's done very 253 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: intentionally to to circumvent Ukraine so they can they can 254 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: take Ukraine back. They've always considered Ukraine the red basket 255 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: of Russia and they want it back and this is 256 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: a way to get around Ukraine where they don't. Ukraine 257 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: can't have any of the the some of the prices 258 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: that come with that um and it's I think it's 259 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: the best way to hip putin where it counts, and 260 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: that's in his wallet. And uh uh, this source of 261 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: energy going around in Ukraine to Europe. I'm just quite 262 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: frankly surprised by one of our allies, Germany. I talked 263 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: to the ambassador, why would you want to be dependent 264 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: on Russian energy? Why in the world? And in Germany 265 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: is a country that is really pushing this project. We 266 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: think the administration needs to implement these mandatory sanctions, which 267 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: I think will very much cripple putting in the Kremlin 268 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: and at the same time open up Europe to other 269 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: energy sources like the United States. Are you confident that 270 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: Secretary of Lincoln is going to be receptive of that? 271 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I guess even Secretary Yellin, I think, you know, I 272 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: hope so. I mean, you know, if if Congress passes 273 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: mandatory sanctions, they're bipartisan, and we we've passed at the uh, 274 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, the National Defense Authorization Bill, I would hope 275 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: they get their attention. And if if they don't pay 276 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: attention to it, Kevin, we do make the laws. We're 277 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna make sure, it's enforced. You know. Just 278 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: two more questions for you. The first is about a 279 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: bill you reintroduced calling for the release of former US 280 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: marine Trevor Reid uh this week. WHI is that important? Well, 281 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: it's such sad case. And yeah, I met with his mother. 282 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: He's a Texanse a marine. He was over, he was 283 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: over in a kind of studying in Moscow and was 284 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: taking hostage quite frankly thrown it in a kangaroo court process. 285 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: He's basically a political pond who has been in prisonel 286 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: for quite some time for no crime. They are trying 287 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: to negotiate him as a political pond for other things 288 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: that they want. And I would again call from the 289 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: administration to really um take this into account and as 290 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: they talked to the Russians, really call for his release. 291 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: And just finally, we've talked a lot about technology, g 292 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: and I just want to give you the opportunity and 293 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: and and and wake of solar winds and cyber hacking 294 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: and cyber espionage. What should the appropriate response be two 295 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: countries like Russia and China when when they do engage 296 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: in these types of cyber hacks. The final question, great 297 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: question to this is the problem is this is where 298 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: it's not well well defined. Right now, I stood up 299 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: the Cyber Security Agency within the Department of Homeland Security 300 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: to defend the nation and share threat information with the 301 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: private sector. We have our Department of Defense that can 302 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: conduct both in cyber warfare situations and defend the nation, 303 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: but a cyber command that can offensively attack other nations. 304 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: But we don't have any international standards or norms. I 305 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: introduced the past how the Committee the Cyber Diplomacy Act, 306 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: which will create a cyber Office within the State Department, 307 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: an ambassador at large that then has authority to negotiate 308 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: memorandum of Understanding m o US and possible treaties with 309 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: other nations. But also what what what is appropriate internationally? 310 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: Right now? China and Russia can do with impunity that 311 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: they can steal our information. You can pull off the 312 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: Solar wins hack and there are no consequences to that 313 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: action as long as we don't have consequences, as bad 314 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: behavior in the international stage is going to continue. So 315 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: that's why I think that's very important we have these 316 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: international standards, and I think NATO would be a very 317 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: good place to start as we look forward, and I 318 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: think it would fill the missing piece of the puzzle. 319 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: That was my exclusive conversation earlier today with Congressman Mike McCall, 320 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: a Republican from Texas. He's the top Republican on the 321 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: House Foreign Affairs Committee. My name is Kevin Serley on 322 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: the Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. Listening 323 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: to that interview, Tyler Deaton, a Republican strategist, as well 324 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: as Genie Shawn Zano of Bloomberg Politics contributor, Genie your takeaways. 325 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: My big takeaway was that last remark in which he said, essentially, 326 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: NATO should be the geopolitical organization that the United States 327 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: and the NATO allies work through to get to some 328 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: type of cyber truce, so to speak. Uh. And that's 329 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: really fascinating to hear him raise NATO as the body 330 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: to do that. Um. And I'm thinking back to the 331 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: conversation we had last week with the Senate Intel Committee 332 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Chairman Mark Warner about solar winds, and he also raised 333 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: the prospects of an international organization trying to to to 334 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: weigh some cyber truce. It's interesting because you know, I 335 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: think that's something that's going to be music to a 336 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: certain extent to the Biden administration's ears. They want nothing 337 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: more than to work with with our allies across across 338 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: the world, and NATO certain being lead amongst them. I 339 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: also was struck by I mean, it was a wide 340 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: rating conversation, but j and Ping's attempt to cut dependence 341 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: on the West, which you asked him about, and how 342 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: the United Dates will respond to that, to me, is 343 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: such a fascinating conversation. It is like everybody is turning 344 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: inward increasingly, and I wonder how the US does that. 345 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: And he gave us some clues on that as well. 346 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: In terms of this bill, you raised about taxes, incentives 347 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: and others well, and to that point, Tyler Deeton, I 348 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: think what Congressman McCall did, especially on the the semiconductor 349 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: chip and the manufacturing component, was he actually talked about 350 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: it from a domestic job standpoint. So much of the 351 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: semi of the semi conductor chip shortage has been about 352 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: the supply chains from national security, and he obviously talked 353 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: about that too, Tyler, but he actually took it the 354 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: jobs in his district and manufacturing, and that's a that's 355 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: a you know, candidly. Usually I'm used to hearing Republicans 356 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: and Democrats in Ohio tell me about that, but not 357 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: through the prism of semi conductor chips. Tyler. No, and look, 358 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: this is another opportunity for some bipartisan cooperation, Kevin. And 359 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: it's not getting enough at tension that last week President 360 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: Biden issued this hundred day executive order to study the 361 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: US supply chain from top to bottom because the pandemic 362 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: expose a lot of weaknesses. The semiconductors are one of them, 363 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: but by the way, food has been one of them. Like, 364 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: there's a whole range of issues that the administration has 365 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: started this study process on, and I think it's all 366 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: great news for the listeners, Like the Republicans and Democrats 367 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: are seeing that there's an opportunity here that helps job creators, 368 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: helps get some people back to work, and makes America 369 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: more resilient. This semiconductor issue has exposed some real weaknesses 370 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: that I think before the pandemic people just didn't know 371 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: that we had. And also this isn't even all related 372 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: to the pandemic. It's sort of like the pandemic has 373 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: just helped us see weaknesses work. Yeah, well, see your point. Uh, 374 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, And here we are in the year this month, 375 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: a year anniversary of the pandemic. And and and I 376 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: still take it back to what many Americans for the 377 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: first time a year ago when they went to the 378 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: when they went to the um grocery store and had 379 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: and saw the pandemic shopping Jennie, did you did you 380 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: run into any empty empty shelves at the grocery store? 381 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: We had no paper towels or toilet paper in New York. 382 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: I just want to say that went on for months. 383 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: They it's back now, but it was shocking for a well, 384 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: well but for the first time. And we we laugh 385 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: about it now. But that's a privilege that we as 386 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Americans have enjoyed for granted. We really took it for granted. 387 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: And Biden at the White House yesterday. President Biden at 388 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: the White House yesterday. I don't have the sound on it, 389 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: but I got the transcript of it, in which he 390 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: said Americans should not have to live with any shortages 391 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: in the United States of America. And and all of 392 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: these conversations, as nuanced as they are and as nerdy 393 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: and wonky as they are, about semiconductor chips, about the 394 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: supply chains and the parts of pills and and and 395 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, and the broader standpoint of of the of 396 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: the dependence upon China. All of it relates to whether 397 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: or not there's toilet paper and paper towels and Jennie 398 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Sanzos shopping shelves in New York City, which needs people. 399 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: And Kevin, can I just say you had such a 400 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: wide range of conversation because you started asking him about 401 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: the power grid in Texas and infrastructure. And to Tyler's point, 402 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: let's not forget when the grids went down because of 403 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: the weather in Texas, it was chip manufacturers in Austin 404 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: who were shut down as well. So in order to 405 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: get those people manufacturing, you need a grid you can 406 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: rely on. That's going to require a real investment in 407 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: Texas and across the country. That was great analysis. Thank you, Jing, 408 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Coming up next, conversation continues and Unlisa 409 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: Fair joins us, and it's been a busy day. Did 410 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: you see Jen Jacobs scoop Trump's weighing running again, but 411 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: without Pence. We're gonna ask her about it. I'm Kevin Cirelli. 412 00:23:53,560 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: This is Limberg coming up a conversation with former Trump 413 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: insider Alissa Fara. She then went on to criticize Trump 414 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: for January six. Don't miss this tomorrow with my colleague 415 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: David Weston. Brand new Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack is 416 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: going to be giving his first television conversation in his 417 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: new role. It's gonna be a wide ranging conversation tomorrow 418 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: on balance of power with David Weston and and honestly, uh, 419 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really insightful to see what he has 420 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: to say about all of the trade policies and and 421 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: with China in particular, and whether or not what he 422 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: plans to do too to hold China accountable for what 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: they have done in the previous administration and promising to 424 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: make significant agricultural purchases. I'm accompanied by Bloomberg Politics contributor 425 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: Jeanie shan Zano, Republican strategist Tyler Deaton, and Jeanie. I mean, 426 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: we talked so much about China on this program. I'm 427 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: really looking forward to that interview to morrow with David 428 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: Weston and Secretary of ill Sack to see exactly what 429 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: what they're going to outline with the Biden administration is 430 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: going to outline on agriculture, and I know David will 431 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: get to this, but my biggest question on that is 432 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: how is the policy going to be different, if at all, 433 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: from what the Trump administration had done visa of each China. 434 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: And that's something that you know, you and I talked about. 435 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: David has talked a lot about during the campaign, but 436 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: in my mind was still never clear. So it's going 437 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: to be fascinating to hear what he has to say. 438 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: And at some point, Tyler, I mean, I know bipartisanship 439 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: is a is a bad word, and I'm being kind 440 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: of ironic and funny, but maybe they should just all 441 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: start saying that they agree. Well, I'll tell you, I 442 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: got one specific thing. You're the poster, Tyler, does a pole? 443 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: Well does agreeing with with you with another party poll? Well? Anymore? 444 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Go ahead? It actually does. It pulled a little better 445 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: for Democrats actually. But here's the thing we have with agriculture. 446 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: We have a labor issue. Okay, we rely on the 447 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: amazing work done by immigrant workers in this country. And 448 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: there is a bipartisan bill that passed the House last 449 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: year with over thirty Republicans that would create a real 450 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: guest worker program um for agricultural business community and we 451 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: need that. And so look like if that's not part 452 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: of the conversation, then I don't know how we start 453 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: to make Well, Tyler, I mean you and I both 454 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: know this that you know the immigration proposal that Chairman 455 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: Menendez has put forward and other Democrats in the Senate 456 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: is filled with what Republicans would dub as policy poison pills, 457 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: and that the area of consensus is never what gets 458 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: past is a standalone So I mean, you know, do 459 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: you are you telling me that, based on your conversations, 460 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: that the immigration proposal that the Biden administration wants could 461 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: actually get through. No, I don't think that, but I 462 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: think that there we go. But now I sound like, 463 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: and that's what this is. But look, that is the 464 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: issue is like let's take a sector by sector, right, 465 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: and I think that the business community, of course they 466 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: get this, like different sectors have different needs. And if 467 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about our agricultural challenges in America, I just 468 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: have to point out we're really also talking about an 469 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: immigration challenge. That it's clear and present, there are bipartisan 470 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: solutions that we've already agreed to. And so no, I'm 471 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: not talking about the Menendez Bill or what's been called 472 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: the Biden Bill or the U S Citizenship Act. I 473 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: think that that's a whole another can of worms. But 474 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: the Farm Workforce Modernization Act, that's the bipartisan solution. I 475 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: would love to see them wrap their arms around that 476 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: because that can get sixty votes in the United States Senate. 477 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Let's continue to talk about wages, uh, but through the 478 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: prism of the Economic Stimulus bill that continues to inch 479 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: forward in the Senate, and we're still anticipating a vote 480 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: over the next couple of days, as early as Friday, 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: and we're hearing word that we're probably gonna hear from 482 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: President Biden on the economy on Friday. Friday also gen 483 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: Jobs Day, So it's gonna be a huge newsday on 484 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: the eco front on Friday. And that's will that be 485 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: seen as a positive development? Um if this thing actually 486 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: gets pasted on Friday, and a very big development today, 487 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: I think for Democrats on this point about about the 488 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: unemployment benefits, because last night, of course, there was concerned 489 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: that we may see a real split between the moderates 490 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: who wanted to cut from four hundred to three hundred 491 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: dollars and extend the unemployment benefits longer, and today we're 492 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: hearing that they did reach an agreement to keep them 493 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: at four hundred per week and then to narrow the 494 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: phase out for the stimulus. I think that's a huge 495 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: breakthrough for the Democrats on this front, and that really 496 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: allows the Democrats to move this bill forward, maybe as 497 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: early as tonight, if not tomorrow, and then to your point, 498 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: a big day on Friday, and it'll be interesting to 499 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: see what President Biden has to say on this. I 500 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: think he has got to be very happy so far 501 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: that it looks like his you know, signature bill is 502 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: probably going to pass, and Republicans have very little sort 503 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: of concerted argument in my mind against it. I was 504 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: having a lunch for the Republican source at Capitol Grill 505 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: earlier today, and they feel that the longer states, the 506 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: longer we go on and more people get vaccinated and 507 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: the more states start to reopen, that ultimately this government 508 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: spending will not be as popular. This is what they're saying, 509 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: this is what they're banking on, will not be as popular. 510 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: And I've got actually sound on this point from Senator 511 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: Joanie Ernst because she spoke earlier today up on Capitol Hill, 512 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: and she said that the bill punishes states who reopened 513 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: their economies. Take a listen to the sound on this. 514 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: We're rewarding those states that have ratcheted down on their economies. 515 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: They haven't opened up, they've killed small bit as jobs 516 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: in their states, and those hard workers and our states 517 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: that are managing our finance as well are being punished. 518 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: Tyler Deeton, I mean, as you talk to your Republican sources, 519 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: how divided our Republicans on whether or not to support 520 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: this bill, I have to say they're not divided at all. 521 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a single Republican vote for for 522 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: any of this, and that's the design of reconciliation. I mean, 523 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: I think as soon as President Biden decided to go 524 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: this route, that was that was just the end of 525 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: a possible bipartisan bill. And I would not defend that 526 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: decision really on either side. And I wouldn't totally criticize 527 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: President Biden. I think, you know, he could have tried 528 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: to string this along and try to get to in 529 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: Republicans and they probably still would not have come together. Kevin, 530 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: I think that Republicans are pretty unified that they don't 531 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: want to give President Biden this win, but he's gonna 532 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: get it. He's got his votes. They're going to do 533 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: it on reconciliation, and everybody's got to buckle up because 534 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this at least two more times this year. 535 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna have another big budget that goes on reconciliation. 536 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: And everyone is starting to say that the infrastructure bill 537 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: later the summer, before the summer recess, that's gonna go 538 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: on reconciliation too. Tyler. The coffee shop around the corner 539 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: from the Bureau just reopened today, So maybe I can 540 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: get you an r EP Christine Arrata to enter back 541 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: into the district. All right, He said he loves it Barata, 542 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: So maybe we all got to go there. People gotta 543 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: start coming back to the district. I'm getting lonely. I'm 544 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Sirelli. This is Bloomberg. My name is Kevin Sirelli, 545 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: and I am the chief Washington corresponding for Bloomberg Television 546 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: and for Bloomberg Radio, accompanied by Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie 547 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: shan Zano. First time caller on the but a long 548 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: time listener um on the on the telephone Alyssa Farah, 549 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: she's been everywhere lately. She's on all the cable shows. Uh, 550 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: she just has been everywhere. She is the political strategist 551 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: and the former White House communications director. Uh. And actually, Lista, 552 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I've interviewed you on background so many 553 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: times I've lost count. Thank you for joining us, and yes, 554 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: I am a longtime listener. Can to be with you all. Well, 555 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: let's we've got a lot to get through. UM, and 556 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: I want to start, uh first and foremost with the 557 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: situation up in New York with Governor Andrew Cuomo. He 558 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: said that he would not resign amid mounting scandals as 559 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: he sought to contain growing damage to his political future 560 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: with a public apology and a plea to voters to 561 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: withhold judgment on sexual harassment claims against him. My colleagues 562 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: report on the Bloomberg terminal. I mean, you know you've 563 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: been following this story. I know. But should he resign? Oh, 564 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: he absolutely should resign. And you know, Congresswoman Kathleen Rice 565 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: came out calling for his resignation. Long Island House member 566 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: representing that area. There's been bipartisan calls. UM, and I 567 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: give a ton of credit to State Assemblyman Ron Kim, 568 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: who was kind of one of the first people to 569 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: speak out on the nursing home uh scandal facing the governor. 570 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: But the thing that people need to follow is we've 571 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: got dual scandals and we can't lose sight of either 572 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: of them, and then holding the governor accountable. So we've 573 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: of course got these horrible allegations of sexual assault over 574 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sexual harassment. These are three extremely credible women. 575 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: You've got in one case, you know, contemporaneous photo evidence. 576 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: But again, to any woman to look at that, it 577 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: really just pulls at your heart strength because it is 578 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: all too familiar in our society. But then simultaneously, the 579 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: governor's coming under scrutiny for the fact that thousands of 580 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: New York seniors died in nursing homes because they were 581 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: co located against CDC guidelines with COVID patients. UM. So 582 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: these are both very serious, real issues. I will give 583 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: if I'm going to give Andrew Cuomo the smallest amount 584 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: of credit, I will give him credit for speaking to 585 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: camera and take reporter questions. But his answers came up 586 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: so short. I mean saying that you greet people by 587 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: kissing him on the face. Well, it's it's one and 588 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: as a woman, that is highly inappropriate. You should have 589 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: changed that behavior a long time ago. And listen his 590 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: you know that I would say this, I'm bullish on 591 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: He's never going to resign. He's one of the most 592 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: politically connected individuals in the state of New York. But 593 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: the walls are closing in around him and he's under 594 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: dual investigation. So we'll see what Alissa Pharris Pharaohs was 595 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: with us. And we just got a headline that crossed 596 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: the terminal. The Senate is UH. The Senate is not 597 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: expected to vote to begin stimulus debate tonight. Again, the 598 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: Senate is not expected to vote to begin the stimulus 599 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: debate tonight. So we're carefully monitoring the defense up on 600 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: the Hill as well. Unlessa, you're one of the few 601 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: folks who is not afraid to criticize either party, including 602 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: the party in which you are part of, including the 603 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: administration in which you served. You were very public in 604 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: your criticism of former President Trump for what happened on 605 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: January six, And you know, here we are where the 606 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: House is canceled votes tomorrow because of the rumored UH 607 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists and and and you know, what are you 608 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: going to be or what do you hope the former 609 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: administration does in order to you know, assure that there's 610 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: no violence tomorrow. Well, uh, you know, former chairman McCage say, 611 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 1: ranking Member mccaull wait in on this and very wisely said, 612 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: we need to be on high alert. UM, take any 613 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: threats seriously. UM, there's reason to believe that they're credible. 614 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: I think it's wise to cancel votes. I would tell folks, 615 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, don't be in the Greater Capital region if 616 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to. I'm on the outside now unfortunately 617 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: don't have the intel of the inside, but I would 618 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: say this. You know, this is the easiest thing to condemn, 619 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: um is any sort of acts of violence, UM, domestic terrorism. 620 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: It would be helpful if folks within the Trump orbit 621 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: just preremptively came out and said, hey, we're hearing rumors 622 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: of this stand down. This is not what we stand for. 623 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: I think that would go a long way. I don't 624 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: know if that's what you're going to see it again. 625 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: I I trust that law enforcements taking these extremely seriously. UM. 626 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, we had hearings on the Hill kind of 627 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: analyzing what went wrong on January six. So I trust 628 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: that the right heads are planning for this and I 629 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: don't anticipate it being comparable to January six. But again, 630 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: it never hurts to come out and just condemn these 631 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: things before they get bad. Elicit's Jeanie Chanzy, No, and 632 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: so good to talk to you and just sticking with 633 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: what you and Kevin were just discussing in the House, 634 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: but moving in a different direction. UM. I wanted to 635 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: get your reaction to the National Republican Congressional Committee chair 636 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: Tom Emmer saying today that former President Trump should back 637 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: down on his attempts to primary GOP leaders who voted 638 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: to impeach him. Um, what are your thoughts on that, 639 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: and in particular the likelihood that he will take that unsolicited. 640 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure advice well, Chairman Chairman Emmers is right. So 641 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: going into the mid terms, Um, but the momentums on 642 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: the side of Republicans, just because historically the party that's 643 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: not in power tends to pick up seats. Uh, the 644 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: map looks in our favor. But what I would say 645 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: is this, we would win. Republicans will win back the 646 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: House by winning in lean Democrat or moderate Republican districts. 647 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: It's not deep red, super Trump districts that we need 648 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: to win. So what we need is all the energy 649 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: to fundraising the surrogates focusing on winning back the voters 650 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: that we lost in twenty sixteen, suburban women, seniors, college 651 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: educated white men who left the Republican Party with a 652 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: message of this is what we're looking toward in the future. 653 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: Here's a message of economic prosperity, of opportunity. If the 654 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: if President Trump decides to be playing in primaries, not 655 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: only does it detract attention and resources um from races 656 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: that we need to win to get the majority back, 657 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: we also we also have an uptill battle to win 658 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: back seats. So the last thing we need to do 659 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: is be taking on some of our safe members like 660 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: a Liz Cheney or It's m right. So I hope 661 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: that folks around him are giving him the advice. Um. 662 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: The majority districts are those moderate districts that we need 663 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: to win. I gotta be honest. I had lunch with 664 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: one of those people who he talks to very frequently today, 665 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't think they're telling him that I'm 666 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: gonna just be honest to listen. I do want to 667 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: note Alyssa has worked at the Pentagon, She's worked for 668 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus, She's worked for the vice former Vice 669 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: President Mike Pence. Uh, and of course for for former 670 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: President Trump as well. She's one of the few folks 671 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: in Washington who understands the policies just as much as 672 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: the politics. That's why we're very grateful for her time. 673 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: I got to ask you about this, Jen Jacobs, Mario Parker, 674 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: and Mark Niquette scoop. Uh. Trump wasigh White House run 675 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: without Mike Pence. His allies say, I mean, I want 676 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: to get your reaction to that, but also, I mean 677 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: doesn't that kind of free up Mike Pence to begin 678 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: exploring his own presidential ambitions. Well, yes and yes, and 679 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: I did see that some of the try camp came 680 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: out in and deny that story. But if there's one 681 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: thing I know, if John Jacobs reports it, it's probably true. So, um, 682 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: I would say, this is a lifetime away in politics. 683 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: Um you know this, Kevin. I mean, think of where 684 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: we were four years ago. There is going there are 685 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: going to be front runners, including at this time, I 686 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: would say Trump is the front runner. There will be others. 687 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: There will be candidates we're not even thinking of, and 688 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: we actually as Republicans have a pretty deep bench. So 689 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: think of a Mike Pence, A Pompeo and Nicki Haleia 690 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: Christie No, Miranda Santos, Tim Scott, I could go on. 691 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: The best thing for Mike Pence, I think is if 692 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: he's able to break out on his own, look at 693 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: partnering with somebody strong who kind of shares those core 694 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: conservative values but also doesn't necessarily put off voters in 695 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: the way that at times the Trump rhetoric did. So 696 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: I would say this, I think it's probably best for 697 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: both of them. I think if Trump is going to 698 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: make a comeback in four and I again caution, you know, 699 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: he's extremely popular with the base. Um, he certainly is 700 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: the front runner right now. I don't think it would 701 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: hurt him to have a female candidate or somebody who 702 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: can reach a lot of the support that we lost 703 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: in So I mean the bottom line is, I mean 704 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: you're not counting him out. I'm not. I think that 705 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: he is a master of the media, and he is 706 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: going to float his name, keep it out there without 707 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: fully committing to it for as long as he can um. 708 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: He's very good at building up momentum and momentum and 709 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: excitement around something. So I think we'll be asking ourselves 710 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: for at least the next two years if he's going 711 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: to run um, and he will certainly continue to allude 712 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: to it. But I'd say this, look at two. See 713 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: who the biggest players are in mid terms. Is it 714 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: Mike Pence who plays well and call it, you know, 715 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: a Chicago suburban district to split the House? Is it 716 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: a Mike Pompeio? Is it in Nicki Haley? I think 717 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: whoever emerges as the kingmaker in two is on the 718 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: best best path for nominations to come back on and 719 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: talk to you politics with us, because I you know 720 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: you're I want to catch up with you on geopolitics 721 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: as well. That's a Lissa Fair. Thank you so much, Alissa. 722 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: For March is Women's History Month, and here with today's 723 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: installment is Bloomberg's for needing young On this day in 724 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: women's history. In ninett the first major parade for women's 725 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: suffrage took over Washington, d C. Thousands of women gathered 726 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: to call for a constitutional amendment guaranteeing women the right 727 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: to vote. Women had been fighting hard for suffrage for 728 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: more than sixty years by that time, but this marked 729 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: the first major national event for the movement. The huge 730 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: parade was spearheaded by Alice Paul and the National American 731 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: Women's Suffrage Association. Parade organizers maximized attention on the event 732 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: by strategically hosting it just one day before the inauguration 733 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: of President elect Woodrow Wilson. This tactic worked. That's today 734 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: in Women's History. I'm Nita Young Bloomberg Radio. And there 735 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: you have it, Jennie sean Zano. I mean, I was 736 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: really struck to hear what what Alyssa had to say 737 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: about Trump's potential future ambitions. She she had a lot 738 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: to say, and I think it's it's critical that we're 739 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: hearing that he may run without Pence and um. She also, 740 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: since it's Women's History Month, mentioned people like Nicki Haley, 741 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: So I know she says is a long way away, 742 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: but it can't come soon enough for me. I love it, 743 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: So do I get me back on the trail coming 744 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: on much more tomorrow. This is Bloomberg