1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rasha Peccarero. 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 3: And I'm Evet Gentila and I hope everyone had a 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: fantastic holiday season. But now that we're back from our break, 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: we have some updates to the show to share with 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: you all. Yes, we sure do. 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: We wanted to get closer to that mission of sharing 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: other people's stories and finding the healing through those stories, 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: and to do that, we decided to start featuring guests 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: on the show every week. So going forward, in each episode, 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: we're going to talk with the guests that can shed 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: light on the story and share their expert opinion or 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: their own personal experiences. 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: Exactly, Rasha and It's going to be the core element 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: of our show, and our producer Trevor will set up 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: the context each week by walking us through the case 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: details at the top of each episode before we dive 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: in with our guests. 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: Yes, so we hope you enjoy this new, updated format 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: and we are incredibly excited to share some powerful interviews 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: and stories with you. 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: So today we're talking about a stocking case that led 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: to a murder that I personally remember my sister telling 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: me about when it happened, and it was such a 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: shame because it seemed completely avoidable. Yeah, that's right. 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: Sadly, I knew about it when it was going on 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: because it was very close to me. It was in Vancouver, Washington, 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: just outside of Portland, Oregon, and I I have a 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: dear friend who was very close to the victim, and 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: that victim was Tiffany Hill, and we are going to 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: talk about how she was murdered by her estranged husband. 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: You know, the light though in this darkness about Tiffany's 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: story is that there was some redemption that happened after 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: her death, because it led to the passage of a 40 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: law that is aimed at stopping this from happening to 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: anyone ever again. 42 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: And we'll get to talk about that law with someone 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 3: who was good friends with Tiffany and who was absolutely 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: instrumental in getting it. 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: Passed yes, and that good friend is one of my 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: dearest friends, and I'm honored that she'll be with us today. 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: But unfortunately that law that she helped pass hasn't fixed everything, 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: and we're going to get into why that's the case 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: as well. It's just a compelling story altogether. So now 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: our producer is going to take us through today's case. 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: The pictures of Tiffany Hill may remind you. She was 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: a marine, a mom to three kids. 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: And Tiffany was the victim of domestic violence that ultimately 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: took her life. 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 5: This week, Tiffany Hill of Vancouver was laid to rest 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 5: in her hometown of Brooklyn, New York. Her tragic death 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 5: still surreal for her mother and three children. 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: If she'd been given in two or three minutes to 59 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 4: think about it before he showed up or driven off, 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: she was in her car, she could have driven off 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: and maybe driven straight to the sheriff's office. 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Tiffany Hill was a young mother of three who was 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: killed by her estranged husband in twenty nineteen. Tiffany had 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: met her husband, Keeland Hill, while in the Marines. She 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: had received a number of high honors in the military 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: and was largely regarded as a warm and compassionate person. 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Tiffany was honorably discharged in two thousand and eight and 68 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: shortly thereafter mar kid and that's when the trouble began. 69 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Keeland was a regular abuser, prone to mental manipulation in 70 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: physical violence. In twenty sixteen, the family moved to Vancouver, Washington. There, 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: neighbors were call seeing police cards in front of their 72 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: house regularly. One neighbor said he had a bad feeling 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: about Keeland. He told a reporter quote, he would just 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: stare me down for some reason. He just had an 75 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: eerie feeling to him end quote. In September twenty nineteen, 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: an incident occurred where Keelan threw Tiffany to the ground. 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: One of the children had called a relative and Tiffany 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: tried to use Alexa to call nine one one, but 79 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: Keeland had unplugged the device so that she couldn't. After 80 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: this incident, Keeland was arrested and charged with fourth degree assault, 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: and Tiffany finally decided to leave him. She then obtained 82 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: a no contact order, which barred Keeland from going within 83 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty feet of Tiffany or contacting her 84 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: in person or over the phone, but then Keielan attempted 85 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: to purchase a bolt action rifle from a Portland Walmart. 86 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: He told the employee he wanted to quote take care 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: of vermin on his property end quote. Over the next 88 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: few weeks, Keeland would appear at restaurants where Tiffany was 89 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: taking her children. She called the police and they found 90 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: a tracking device a fixed to her car. She told 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: detectives quote, I know he's going to kill me if 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: he's not held accountable for his actions. I'm so scared 93 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: for my life and my kids' lives end quote. Keielan 94 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: then went to jail, where a judge set bail at 95 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Tiffany's lawyers asked to 96 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: have the bail set to two million, but that request 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: was denied and Keeland was able to post bail. Four 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: days later, when Tiffany was picking up her kids from school, 99 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Keeland approached the car and opened fire with a semi 100 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: automatic pistol, killing Tiffany in injuring her mother. He sped 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: off and was chased by police before hitting afternoon traffic. 102 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: He then got out of the car and shot and 103 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: killed himself Tiffany Hill had repeatedly worn the authorities of 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: the danger she was in, and Kieland expressed to multiple people, 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: including police, his intent to do harm. Despite this, he 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: was somehow able to stalk Tiffany and obtain a gun. 107 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: And so who was Tiffany Hill, How was Keeland Hill 108 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: able to stalk and kill Tiffany? And how has her 109 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: case changed things, if at all, when it comes to 110 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: intimate partner violence and stalking today. 111 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: For our discussion today, I am incredibly honored to welcome 112 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: a very good friend of mine to the show. And 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: she is someone who was incredibly involved in the aftermath 114 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: of Tiffany's case, and that person is Reene Sunby. 115 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 6: Thank you very much. So. 116 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Reen was the president of the PTA of Sarah J. 117 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: Anderson Elementary School in Vancouver, Washington, when her daughter was 118 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: at Anderson Elementary and two of Tiffany's children were there, 119 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: and she was instrumental in passing the Tiffany Hill Act 120 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, which we're going to talk about 121 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: in a minute. So for now it Coomo may welcome 122 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: to Facing Evilreen. 123 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: So honored to have you here and to you know, 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: just listen to you share your story. We're very appreciative. 125 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, Reen, you know, as you're such a 126 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: beautiful friend of mine, you know how much Yvett and 127 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: I always want to focus on the victim, right because 128 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: before they were a victim, they were a bright shining 129 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: light in all of our lives. And I know that 130 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Tiffany was for you. So can you tell our listeners 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: how did you know Tiffany? 132 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 6: Tiffany was also on the PTA at Sarah J. Anderson 133 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 6: I probably, I think I met her in twenty eighteen, 134 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 6: towards the end of that school year where her oldest 135 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 6: was going to a different school that year. She transferred 136 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 6: her to Sarah J. Anderson in nineteen so she could 137 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 6: spend her last year at Anderson, So she became a 138 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 6: lot more involved and right out of the shoot. Sadly, 139 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 6: that first PTA meeting we had in September is when 140 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 6: she shared what was going on in her household with me. 141 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 6: She had actually suffered a concussion and had sent me 142 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 6: a text message that she didn't think she'd be at 143 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 6: our meeting because she had a concussion, And as naive 144 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 6: as I was back then, my first response was, oh, 145 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 6: my gosh, were you in a car accident, because for me, 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 6: a concussion is either sports or car accident. You know, 147 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 6: you have your your blinders on when your life is 148 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 6: going well and healthy. So I had no idea that she. 149 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 4: Could have possibly meant someone else had given it to her, 150 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: and that she came to the meeting, and that night 151 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: is when her best friend Karina had told her, you 152 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: need to tell her what's going on, and you need 153 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: to tell her right now. So that was the night 154 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 4: she shared with me what had happened, what was going 155 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: on in her life, and how she was being abused. 156 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: Wow, can you tell us about Tiffany, you know, like 157 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: what was her personality? What was her energy like? You know, 158 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: when you know she was in a happy place, you know, 159 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: or having a great day, Like what was that light like? 160 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 6: Uh? It was? 161 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: It literally was brighter than a star, brighter than a planet. 162 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: She literally it was as bright as the sun. She 163 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: worked so hard in everything she did. Her kids's education 164 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: was top priority. Her kids would come in the pta 165 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: room and one of her kiddos was in first grade 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: and he would come in with a second or third 167 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: grade workbook. 168 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 6: She was a giver from her very sincerest heart. 169 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: She would give everything she possibly could, and you know, 170 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: we joke she was the trifecta. She was Puerto Rican, 171 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: she was from Brooklyn, and she was in the Marines, 172 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: so we would joke, nobody's messing with you, no one so. 173 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 4: And it just that endearing family quality and family to 174 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: her wasn't just blood. It was her community. Her community 175 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: was very important to her. She loved doing all things 176 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 4: for anyone at the school. She would bake constantly for 177 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: the staff and everything was so good. I finally didn't 178 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: even think about it. After she passed, I found her 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: on pinterested followed her because I wanted some of her recipes. 180 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: It's just, you know, all the things. One of the 181 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: moms at the school had later said, you know, Tiffany 182 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: was what all of us wanted to be, and that 183 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 4: was the hashtag mom goals. Like literally, she you wanted 184 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: to be the mom that she was. 185 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Trevor here, just a quick producer note for you. 186 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: There was some background noise in Rene's original environment that 187 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: we had her recording in, so we decided to ask 188 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: her to move locations. So from this point moving forward, 189 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: you will notice that there is a slight change in 190 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: her audio. So just wanted to let you know. Okay, 191 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: So now back to the discussion. 192 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: Did you ever yourself witness anything happen in front of 193 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: you leading up to that horrific murder? 194 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: I did not. I feel like I'm a pretty empathetic, 195 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: checking into feelings kind of person. I think I get 196 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: a fairly good read on people when I first meet them. 197 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: And I distinctly remember after everything happened and I was 198 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: processing everything grief with the counselor that I had seen. 199 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: I remember telling her. I can distinctly remember the first 200 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: time I saw him in the PTA room and I 201 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 4: physically took a step backwards when I walked in the room. 202 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: You could feel that energy. 203 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one of those people that you know, 204 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 4: I look back on it now and I can see 205 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: the gas lighting you know that he was doing. But 206 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: it's this giant personality that's not real, so it comes 207 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: off big, but you know that it's not genuine. And 208 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 4: then before I knew what was happening in August, we'd 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: had a meeting at her house. And you know, when 210 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: you're in someone's house, you know, you feel welcome, but 211 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: then sometimes when you're in other people's houses, you think, 212 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: I feel like this person like I'm a bother, like 213 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 4: I shouldn't be here. And I remember we were all eating. 214 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 4: She'd of course made a meal for all of us 215 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 4: that I had asked the recip before. Right, it was 216 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: so good, And I remember saying when he walked in, 217 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: I really want to thank you for you know, having 218 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: us all in your home. I'm sure it's you know, 219 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: can being inconvenience. And I don't know why I thought 220 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: I should do that, but that was just my first 221 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: reaction is we're we're not welcome here. 222 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: That's interesting because you get that feeling, right, you get 223 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: that intuitive knowing, you know that we all have that 224 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: something is just not right, absolutely, you know. And Russia 225 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: and I were doing the story on Tiffany, there was 226 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: something that really stood out, and it was that instant 227 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: when the community came together and they made, you know, 228 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: a human shield protecting her from her husband. 229 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: A strange husband. Yeah. 230 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: Were you there when he was? 231 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? I was? 232 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: And what was that like? 233 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: We walked out of a restaurant and I glanced to 234 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 4: my left and my instant was is that Keeland? And 235 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: then I thought, no, that's silly, he wouldn't be here. 236 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: And then I looked again and he kind of smiled 237 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: at me, and then I heard her say, oh my god, 238 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 4: and I knew instantly it was him. So she ran 239 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: to the van with the kids, and the other four 240 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: of us just stood all in a line, and I 241 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: just kept saying, he's not supposed to be here, he 242 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: can't be here. And then one of the other members, 243 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: who actually worked for the Clark County Sheriff's Department, immediately 244 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: called nine one one. She had seen him when she 245 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: got in her car. So it You know, we were 246 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 4: pretty fast acting, but it takes you by surprises. 247 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: There's only so much you can do. 248 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not what you're expecting for sure. 249 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I you know, remember you telling me that story? 250 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: If you could read, I know that we we just 251 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: passed the anniversary of Tiffany's murder. It was November twenty 252 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: sixth of twenty nineteen, which I'm sure for you feels 253 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: like it was five minutes ago and five years ago 254 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: at the same time. 255 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, But we would. 256 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: Like to know from your point of view, what was 257 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: November twenty six, twenty nineteen, What was that day like 258 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: leading up to the murder from your point of view, 259 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: Like what I would like to know what you went 260 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: through and what you were feeling that day. 261 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: It was it was almost it wasn't real. Unfortunately, I 262 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: had the flu and Karina had called me and said, 263 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: there's a shooting at the school. Have you heard from Tiffany? 264 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: And I said no, And she said I can't get 265 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: her on her phone. And I said, let me, you know, 266 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: let me find out. And I literally threw the phone 267 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: down on my bed and I looked at my wife 268 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: and I said, it's her. She's gone. I already know 269 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: she's gone, Like without even knowing. I just knew because 270 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: she'd said. I can't tell you how many times she 271 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 4: had said, he's going to kill me, right, I can't. 272 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 4: I will never escape him. He will find me and 273 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: he will kill me. 274 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: I know this is a this is a question, a 275 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: tough question. But do you do you believe in your 276 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: heart that this could have been avoided? I mean, if 277 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: you know the police could have done more, I mean, 278 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: what is your take on that. 279 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: I think that the judicial system is where all of 280 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 4: the blame lies. For me, The Clark County Sheriff and 281 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: the Vancouver Police Department really honestly went above and beyond 282 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 4: to help her and to try to protect her. They 283 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 4: did absolutely everything they were supposed to do. She got 284 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 4: a threat assessment done. When she went to interview, she 285 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: had again showed them all of the messages that he 286 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: was continuing to send her on a daily basis, which 287 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: means he was breaking the no contact. So when he 288 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 4: was still in jail waiting for his court date, thankfully 289 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 4: the day he was we thought he was going to 290 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 4: get out, I had put her and the kids in 291 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: a hotel. I had paid for a hotel for them, 292 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: so he would not know where they were at all. 293 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: And the prosecuting attorney had taken all of those no 294 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: contacts and added them in at his bail hearings. So 295 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 4: he ended up in jail for another week or so. 296 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: Oh So, they did everything they possibly could. 297 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: Do to keep him away, and they. 298 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 4: Asked for no bail. They asked for a million dollars 299 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: worth of bail, and apparently, it's my understanding in the 300 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 4: state of Washington, the only way to get no bail 301 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: is if you murder someone first. Yeah, you have to 302 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: commit a capital offense first. So when they asked for 303 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: a million, the judge said, now two hundred and fifty thousand, 304 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: which twenty five thousand is a lot of money to 305 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: a lot of us. But he had at least fifteen 306 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: in the bank account and access to a four oh 307 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: one k so for him, making bail was not a problem. 308 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: It's my understanding, and I did not see it. I 309 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: was only told by Karina that his coworkers, someone at 310 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: his work, started to gofund me. 311 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: Are you kidding no? 312 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 4: Because he had gaslighted them. Right, He's an amazing guy. 313 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: He wouldn't do this, and so GoFundMe was started for him. 314 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: Wow, I had no idea. 315 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, that's so awful to hear. But despite all 316 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: of the darkness that is in this story, what I 317 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: love about Tiffany's case and about her story is the light, right, 318 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: and I think part of that light is how you 319 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: and your friends and Senator Linda Wilson banded together to 320 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 2: change the narrative. Can you tell us the story of 321 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: what you did and what changes you made. 322 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: Right after Tiffany had passed, Karina had contacted me and said, 323 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: I gave your phone number to a senator. She's trying 324 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 4: to pass a bill on domestic violence. And so then 325 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: we had gotten a hold of Senator Wilson, who is amazing. 326 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 4: She worked so hard on this bill for so many 327 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: years and just couldn't get it passed. And she had 328 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 4: asked us to come in and testify in front of 329 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 4: the different committees to pass this bill through each committee. 330 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 4: I think she finally had got it dialed in. You know, 331 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: you see bills come to legislature that you think, oh, 332 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 4: I can't believe this isn't passing. But there's always little 333 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: pieces that have to be fine tuned. And part of 334 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: that is the cost. Who's going to cover the cost 335 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 4: of this ankle monitor that she wanted to place on perpetrators. 336 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: So Senator Wilson had contacted us. There was five of 337 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: us that said, yep, absolutely, we'll testify. We'll tell her story. 338 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 4: We tried to tell it through different eyes. So Krita's husband, Isaiah, 339 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 4: through his eyes of having to be friends with Keeland, 340 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: realizing once you know, everything was out, now he has 341 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 4: to keep that secret. He can't tell anyone what Kielan 342 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: is telling him. He can't tell Keilan he knows because 343 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 4: then Tiffany gets abused for that. So it's from his 344 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 4: point of view. And then Melissa Nelson was actually her 345 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 4: middle child's teacher. So that was from her point of 346 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: view from a teacher at the school. And then we'd 347 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: used my point of view with everything that I went 348 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: through trying to hide her and my wife and I 349 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: had gone to her house and changed locks. Isaiah and 350 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: Krena put up security cameras so that she would feel 351 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: more comfortable. Little did we know that that actually made 352 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: it worse. She was not sleepy because she was watching 353 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 4: the camera all the time. 354 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: Serene, can you tell us exactly the Tiffany Hill? You know, Bill? 355 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: What is it? 356 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: It is a act that Senator Wilson had passed through 357 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: the Washington State legislature that if a domestic abusers come 358 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 4: to court, the judge can decide I'm sure, based on 359 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 4: certain acts or you know, in Tiffany's case, it would 360 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 4: have been her lethality report that sadly decides how high 361 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: the lethal chance is for you. She was a thirty 362 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: one out of forty. 363 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: Which is quite high. 364 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: Dream extreme danger, not just danger, but extreme danger. It 365 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: allows the judge to put an ankle monitor on the abuser. 366 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 4: Then the survivor downloads an app on their phone and 367 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 4: they are notified if the abuser comes within a certain 368 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: range of them. So it would send them a live 369 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: text message. So it's not based in one area. Say 370 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: you lived three blocks from the school, It's not just 371 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: based in that three block radius. It's based on wherever 372 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 4: you are traveling. You would get notification that your abuser 373 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 4: was near Beautiful, allowing you to contact the police if 374 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 4: there was no contact order. I know that it was. 375 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: I don't know. I recall it being used in I 376 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 4: believe it was Chicago, and then possibly in Australia. So 377 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: I don't know that there were statistics of in certain 378 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: amount of cases where someone's wearing the ankle monitor, were 379 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: there any deaths or how quickly were they then put 380 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: back into the system. Because it also sends a notification 381 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 4: to the sheriff or the city police department, I'm not 382 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 4: sure which one, letting them know that it not only 383 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: will it tell the survivor, it will ping them. It 384 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 4: actually pings that you were near the survivor. 385 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: Do you think, though, that since the Tiffany Hill Act 386 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: was passed, do you think that's helped more people? 387 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 4: I hope so. I had recently read an article that 388 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 4: the monitor actually wasn't being used as much as it 389 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: could be, So I feel like perhaps it's not as 390 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 4: known as it could be in the state of Washington. 391 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: I understand King County is using it. 392 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: Oh in Seattle, Okay. 393 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know that a lot of the 394 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: other counties are outside of Clark or King just because 395 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: maybe they don't know as much about it or who 396 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 4: might pay for it. 397 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 2: Like how is this not a nationwide That's what I 398 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: don't understand. 399 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: Yep. 400 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: I agree, Like who do we need to talk to? 401 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely? And I've actually had emailed last year Senator Wilson, 402 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: you know, do you have any senators state senators you 403 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 4: know in Oregon that we could start working with to 404 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: get this past an organ and then move down to 405 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 4: California and start moving state by state until we can 406 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: get a big enough voice to where it can get 407 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 4: all the way to DC and it just becomes federal. 408 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: Right, Well, let's do it. Yeah, I will start here 409 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: in San Francisco. Yes, yeah, you know. It's like we 410 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: have to do it because there's too many. There's too many. 411 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: The percentage is too high. 412 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 6: Absolutely. 413 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: I remember hearing Senator Linda Wilson speak, I believe in 414 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: that TV show that you were all on together meet 415 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: Mary Murder, And I remember her saying that it you know, 416 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: if Tiffany had just been alerted maybe a few minutes 417 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: by that ping to her cell phone from that ankle 418 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: bracelet that he should have been wearing if this act 419 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: had been in enacted when she was alive, Yeah, that 420 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: she'd still be here today, right And and not just her, 421 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: but you know, like when you go to pick up 422 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: your child, if someone else comes to pick up your child, 423 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: they have to be on the list. So like if 424 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: you were, you know, on the list, you know for 425 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: that you know, vibration monitor or you know the other 426 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: friends like to alert you know, the community, Like you 427 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: guys would have been there in a heartbeat. 428 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I would love everyone to know who's going through 429 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: this in their life. Keep telling someone, someone will listen. 430 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 4: I guarantee you there will be someone in your life 431 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 4: who you connect with that will move the sun and 432 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: earth to help you and to get you out of 433 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: the situation you're in. Just keep believing and just keep 434 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 4: believing in yourself because you are a survivor. What you're 435 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 4: going through is well. But you've survived every day, every hour, 436 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 4: every minute, every second, and you truly don't realize how 437 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: strong you are. But the rest of us do so. 438 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 4: Just keep believing in yourself, because eventually we all will. 439 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: I am honored to know you and to love you, 440 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 2: and I am so thankful that you're in this world 441 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: for the Tiffanys of the world and for all of us. 442 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: Thank you very much to both of you. 443 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: Thank you, Ring. 444 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 4: I mean this opportunity to be to continue to be 445 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: Tiffany's voice. I just my heart is so big. 446 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: We see that, We see that, and our listeners will 447 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: hear that. We are so honored to have you on 448 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: facing evil. 449 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: Thank you. 450 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 3: In this week's Message of Hope and Healing, we want 451 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: to honor the parents at Sarah J. Anderson Elementary School 452 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 3: who became Tiffany's friends, and then after her death, they 453 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: tirelessly advocated for the passage of the Senate bill five 454 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: to one four nine. 455 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: This, of course, was a situation that none of them 456 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: ever imagined themselves being in, but when their friend lost 457 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: her life, they stepped up and they fought in her 458 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: memory and her honor until the bill passed. 459 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: That's right, and it was an exhausting fight. But Tiffany's 460 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: friends were motivated to prevent this from ever happening again, 461 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: and they demonstrated what we can do when we come 462 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: together to make a difference. 463 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: To the parents of Anderson Elementary Onward and upward. 464 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: Emua emua. 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