Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you. Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, culture, baby, I need
Speaker 1: to really level set with everybody. Is one of the
Speaker 1: strongest people I know, and he's really showing up today
Speaker 1: despite having gone through a whirlwind health moment. It's not
Speaker 1: a scare, but was it could have been a scare
Speaker 1: for a second. Just pretend right now from across the
Speaker 1: country that you're holding my hand, because I really need
Speaker 1: the support right now. I feel the blood pumping through
Speaker 1: every joint. I need the support right now, as I
Speaker 1: announced to the readers and the publicists, really anyone out
Speaker 1: there listening. Um, When you think that what love you
Speaker 1: can't hurt you the most, I don't think that. And
Speaker 1: that's a really culture mur you think you think that
Speaker 1: you love the most, don't think I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Because when I went out to dinner on a Monday
Speaker 1: night and I just sat down in Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: I was so happy to be home. I went to
Speaker 1: my favorite restaurant. I'm not going to name them because
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that to them. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that to them. But I went to
Speaker 1: my favorite restaurant and ate my favorite dish. Which is
Speaker 1: oysters raw oysters on the half shell, if you will.
Speaker 1: I've had food poisoning ever since. But over a week,
Speaker 1: the experience of losing my faculties has true shaken me.
Speaker 1: I have lost seven pounds, harrowing. I'm now on an
Speaker 1: antibiotic and on the way back to me. But to
Speaker 1: know that my own daughter, the oyster came for me
Speaker 1: in this way, she's not I don't think she's the daughter.
Speaker 1: She's you love her the most in a way that
Speaker 1: is like an abusive lover, because she really hurt you.
Speaker 1: It was she the oyster. They know what they have
Speaker 1: over me now, and that makes me really scared to
Speaker 1: move out with my life because am I going to
Speaker 1: stop eating oysters? Never? Never, in a day? But now
Speaker 1: that I know what they can do to me, it's
Speaker 1: a very abusive relationship. Thank you for saying the words.
Speaker 1: I'm not even using that. I know not to use
Speaker 1: that word lightly. It's it's a word I'm not. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't the girl I did and so, and I
Speaker 1: just think that you should. I mean, in a way,
Speaker 1: I admire that you haven't let this change your relationship
Speaker 1: to oysters. But in another way, the fact that you're
Speaker 1: not even willing to like name the restaurant as a
Speaker 1: way to what are you protecting the oysters? Just I
Speaker 1: feel that that would be that that would be very
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to bring them into this, but Demilovado
Speaker 1: against that ice cream froo shop because it might not
Speaker 1: have been their fault. It might have been just lit No,
Speaker 1: they weren't. But I don't want to be that voice
Speaker 1: sort of reaching out to my what is it millions
Speaker 1: of followers at this point? You know, I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: have have such re each that I don't want to
Speaker 1: um cause this restaurant to close. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I know if I were to say something and
Speaker 1: be the whistleblower, the community would rally against me and
Speaker 1: no one would set foot there. Again, that's the community
Speaker 1: would rally for you against them on my behalf is
Speaker 1: what I meant to say. Thank you? Can we say
Speaker 1: that Matt's reach really is million? Why? While how do
Speaker 1: you feel? Honestly, honestly, I find I find it so
Speaker 1: there's a there's a real feeling of justice, an emotional
Speaker 1: sense of justice that I have when I think about
Speaker 1: the fact that I am looking at all these people
Speaker 1: out here dressing up his twink and doing doing doing twink,
Speaker 1: doing twinks cause plays. There's been like two or three,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's people, And I think you must feel
Speaker 1: some vindication. Look at God, won't he do? Look at God?
Speaker 1: Put me on Netflix and now millions are dressing up
Speaker 1: as the character Twink from Q for getting into the
Speaker 1: wait this is this is such a gross way to
Speaker 1: bring this in. But my stylist last week and the
Speaker 1: means like was he was like, I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you watching? He was like, I've been watching that
Speaker 1: show Q Force? Do you know? I was like, I
Speaker 1: know it very well. Did He loved it? And he
Speaker 1: was like telling me about the episode where twinn Can
Speaker 1: dresses up as Aaron Brockovich and doesn't but doesn't understand
Speaker 1: that Aaron Brokovich was not a reporter. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's such a funny. I was like that, see that
Speaker 1: premise itself is so funny. People have to watch Q Force.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun and you'll love it. And I
Speaker 1: feel like it got such it got such a dragging
Speaker 1: on the internet. But when the trailer came out and
Speaker 1: now everyone's turning around and be I'm like now the
Speaker 1: tweet is this is the tweet that annoys me. Now
Speaker 1: it's like, actually, Q force is not that bad. I
Speaker 1: love it even I'm just like, what do you dumb this? Then?
Speaker 1: You exactly, it's purely them telling on themselves, being like wait,
Speaker 1: I had this really uninformed, knegric reaction to like, uh
Speaker 1: an edited together trailer from like a marketing team that
Speaker 1: I that I don't under I don't understand what they
Speaker 1: were going for whatever, and and and now that it
Speaker 1: was able to shoot me to the A list because
Speaker 1: finally the Internet, I have demilto powers, and I know
Speaker 1: that it would be irresponsible of me just have some
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction and take down this Los Feeless establishment. There.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna narrow with Okay, how many Los Felis places
Speaker 1: sell serve oysters? Damn you are you're making this Cereal.
Speaker 1: I knew one day would come along that you would
Speaker 1: make this podcast Cereal girl. I had to. I went
Speaker 1: to the best Buy today and I thought, okay, you
Speaker 1: would have horny bobs. I was like, damn, you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder how best Buy feels about the last time
Speaker 1: they were actually in the zeitgeist being cereal and before that,
Speaker 1: they were only famous for being in the movie the
Speaker 1: story they worked at in forty year Old Virgin They
Speaker 1: were only famous, right, They were only famous for that,
Speaker 1: And they were only famous before that being the place
Speaker 1: next to the park Menows Costco and Aurora, Colorado. I
Speaker 1: would go when my mom would be shopping and I
Speaker 1: was bored, and I went to the best Buy to
Speaker 1: play dance Dance Revolution with the employees there. Um that is,
Speaker 1: there would be there would be dance. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: there were circa two thousand three. They were full on
Speaker 1: dance battles between me and these blue poloed lovely employees
Speaker 1: at best Buy. I love DDR as much as and
Speaker 1: then people believe me when I say people would gather.
Speaker 1: That was when I that's amazing. That was when I
Speaker 1: first caught the cat the bug. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so great to be able to pinpoint that moment a
Speaker 1: dance Dance Revolution battle with best boy employees, best best
Speaker 1: by my best boy. We're gonna interview the best boy
Speaker 1: in a second, and we are the best boys here.
Speaker 1: But first I want that's very beautiful and I and
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you that you have that and
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. For another reason, congratulations are due,
Speaker 1: as a scholar would say, has been moved to the
Speaker 1: repertory cast of Saturday Night Live, the big promotion, as
Speaker 1: it were, there's none bigger. There's none bigger, you know,
Speaker 1: it's there's not a bigger promotion. That is also just
Speaker 1: purely a technicality, and everyone's congratulations. It's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm like, it's it's in the Contract's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm very very very very grateful, very happy
Speaker 1: to be on the other side of the opening credit seen. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you transferred right over to the other
Speaker 1: side to be a with to have with credit with
Speaker 1: with all the names. Oh and can we just prow
Speaker 1: one out for the the wonderful, wonderful back Bennett and
Speaker 1: one of the best we have to have back on
Speaker 1: the pod. Maybe now he'll have more time, just one
Speaker 1: of just one of the nicest, kindest, funniest, most talented
Speaker 1: people who would do who could do it all? I
Speaker 1: mean not for nothing, so such a such a wonderful
Speaker 1: leading man, so handsome. Yeah, he he really was great.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't get any better than handsome goofy,
Speaker 1: funny kind. No handsome, goofy, funny kind. And also like, um,
Speaker 1: he seems like a general person, like he's generous with
Speaker 1: this time energy talent. I feel like, you know, you
Speaker 1: can tell that he was well loved at the show
Speaker 1: and he really was good at everything, and so he
Speaker 1: is one of the he's one of those that will
Speaker 1: be missed and you you'll only realize it now that
Speaker 1: he's gone. You motherfucker's you should have you should have
Speaker 1: known what you had campaigned. You should have campaigned for
Speaker 1: him to stay for a hundred years. Speaking of handsome, funny,
Speaker 1: goofy kind. What wait, what the hell? We ever? Guests?
Speaker 1: But can we just really can we check in really quickly?
Speaker 1: I have not watched Salt Lake City yet because I've
Speaker 1: neither I fell asleep in the middle of it because
Speaker 1: I did you watch tom I'm sorry I did a scala.
Speaker 1: Our girl had a great moment the way she snapped
Speaker 1: at Mia. I said, a scala. You're you're you're building
Speaker 1: a legacy. I don't even care about the Mia snap
Speaker 1: because Mia, I'm just like, I'm not even like all
Speaker 1: over the place, and I'm like, I don't like this,
Speaker 1: But her her one confessional cutaway this episode, um, I
Speaker 1: think her second or third all season. Yes, but what
Speaker 1: was when Giselle wants to give him the tour of
Speaker 1: the house and then and then a scala c's like
Speaker 1: the bear stairs, spiral staircase, nothing to nothing, and she goes, um,
Speaker 1: I'll come back, And then her confessional is, you know
Speaker 1: when there's just when they're stable steps and you know
Speaker 1: there's a door, I'll be back. But like I'm like
Speaker 1: the delivery on the linary on that was when there's
Speaker 1: a door, I'll be back, I'll be back. So funny.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we're building a legacy. This house is
Speaker 1: a piece of ship. She was just like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like you know when there's like a door there and
Speaker 1: functioning stairs all that's what I'll come back. So funny,
Speaker 1: so good. I'm ready to say, escala legend. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to see her at the Legends ball. I'm ready to
Speaker 1: see her go all the way, all the way. She's
Speaker 1: going the distance. Speaking of him, how do we checked him?
Speaker 1: But speaking of legends, this is what I realized today
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about our guest. By the way,
Speaker 1: this has been a long time coming time coming kind
Speaker 1: of in a way. Without him, we're not up here
Speaker 1: being the culture restas. He was really the first cultureista
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, if you really think
Speaker 1: about it, this is someone with like an academic understanding
Speaker 1: of what goes on in culture. I mean I would
Speaker 1: say like I would, I was gonna say star Turn,
Speaker 1: but it's like we've known about his sort of mind
Speaker 1: and the way that it thinks about pop culture. But
Speaker 1: in the Framing Britney Spears documentary, you see him and
Speaker 1: you go, well, here's an authority. I have been waiting
Speaker 1: to talk to him about all that as well, because
Speaker 1: it's been a lot has gone down since we did
Speaker 1: our Brittany episode, and to have a better guest I
Speaker 1: don't think would be possible. When we say original culture Resta,
Speaker 1: we're well, we're saying everyone out there and maybe some
Speaker 1: public system readers don't even know. Some are gonna be like, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, but maybe some are young VJ, Mama, VJ.
Speaker 1: That was the original cultures though truly the VJA was
Speaker 1: the original culture Resta. Someone with a curatorial eye something
Speaker 1: had to have presence to be able to say to
Speaker 1: to you through the camera, through the screen. Hey you're
Speaker 1: about to see is important and cool and cool. That
Speaker 1: was the number one thing and okay, we so much
Speaker 1: to get into with our guests. Um also the host
Speaker 1: of the Homophilia podcast with Matt mccon, one of the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, just every everyone you could want to hear from,
Speaker 1: has like a gorgeous episode. They're great interviewers. It's just
Speaker 1: so fantastic, one of the best podcasts. They asked much
Speaker 1: better questions than we ever could. They run circles around us,
Speaker 1: and we like it that way. As you know, the
Speaker 1: dizzy I feel after my guest spins around me is
Speaker 1: the best kind of dizzy, the best kind of nausea,
Speaker 1: best kind of food poisoning. Second, the oyster, second to
Speaker 1: the oyster. Not since the oyster have I been spun
Speaker 1: around like this today Today, this is a major moment.
Speaker 1: But are you ready to welcome our guests? I'm ready, everyone, welcome,
Speaker 1: damn you guys. That's I want to use all of
Speaker 1: that as my bio, an audio clip of it, and
Speaker 1: just have that playing at all times. Let me just
Speaker 1: paint a picture for everybody listening to be you can't
Speaker 1: see even the podcast or a visual medium we're talking
Speaker 1: to Dave Zoom. But he is in this beautifully paneled office.
Speaker 1: The walls have whatever, the walls were cordeous, talking like
Speaker 1: these fantastic framed photos of there's one thing I can't
Speaker 1: tell what it is, and then there's another, a framed
Speaker 1: photo of CBGB's. So she canna just it's just like,
Speaker 1: this is culture. This is a culture king, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. This was my boyfriend's studio. So the panels
Speaker 1: behind you are acoustical panels that he made. Now we've
Speaker 1: taken over the guest unit on the on the property
Speaker 1: and that's now where he goes. So these this is
Speaker 1: like a simple burlap over some some foam. Uh, simple
Speaker 1: but effective. Um. That is in fact CBGB and then
Speaker 1: and then behind me is a gold record for Robbie Williams.
Speaker 1: The ego has landed. I can't believe that I are
Speaker 1: you Robbie Williams superfan. You I am a fucking super fan. Yes,
Speaker 1: I absolutely And you too school me because I that's
Speaker 1: a blind spot for me, and I feel ashamed. But
Speaker 1: we need to know about your what you think of Robbie.
Speaker 1: He is um the perfect pop star. Um. He strikes
Speaker 1: a tone that nobody else in the culture does, and
Speaker 1: that is why he is not big in the United States.
Speaker 1: Like he's sort of he's sort of in on his
Speaker 1: own joke. It's a little bit like it's kind of
Speaker 1: a character. He's like larger than life and like and
Speaker 1: sexy and and it's just it just doesn't work. We
Speaker 1: can we don't know what to do with those boys
Speaker 1: in America. You know, you gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 1: Chris Martin or you gotta be you know what. That's
Speaker 1: kind of it. That's kind of a really really cool
Speaker 1: when you're a guy, you there's no room for like cheekiness.
Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying about exactly. The word Robbie
Speaker 1: Williams is like the funny and that's like it's it's
Speaker 1: like he's like, um a deserving and funny and like
Speaker 1: camp and you can't do that in America with a
Speaker 1: male artist. Yeah, watch his set at the net Worth
Speaker 1: Festival and I don't remember what year, but just search
Speaker 1: probably will just like it's just this in this crowd
Speaker 1: that you can't like your brain cannot conceive of the
Speaker 1: size of the crowd, and he just fucking holds them
Speaker 1: in the palm of his hand. He's incredible. So I
Speaker 1: must have mentioned him because you know, he tried it
Speaker 1: a couple of times in the States with Millennia and
Speaker 1: then Angel and Angels and he had like I Loving
Speaker 1: Angels and stid. That's the one Jessica Simpson would go
Speaker 1: on to do a more popular, wouldn't she. Ever, you
Speaker 1: know you and you know the version of Jessica Simpson
Speaker 1: Angel Angel, I'm Loving Angels instead. Yes, I believe you
Speaker 1: can hear it in your head. You don't know. It's
Speaker 1: exactly she shouts that one to God, only to God himself,
Speaker 1: that was for God. And after she got off stage,
Speaker 1: she definitely looked at her like her assistant and grabbed
Speaker 1: their hand or whoever it wasn't just said that one
Speaker 1: was for God. And then I know, Jessica, you say
Speaker 1: that every time and she goes, well, it's true. This
Speaker 1: time it was absolutely true. Yeah. Yeah, I mentioned him
Speaker 1: on the air because I do love him, and it
Speaker 1: didn't quite come together for him. Whatever. The album went golden.
Speaker 1: They sent me one and so there you go. So
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Oh go, go, go, Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: we can bleep this. Eleano Eleano Eleno. Uh you're you're
Speaker 1: you're asking it wasn't Elenie. The answer is no, sorry,
Speaker 1: it was not Ellie Oyster. And we don't have to
Speaker 1: bleep it, because I'd love, I'd love to take it
Speaker 1: off the table that it's that we don't bleep it.
Speaker 1: It was not Ellyster that was front of mine, that
Speaker 1: was front of mine. I love that place. You wanted
Speaker 1: to protect yourself. I will. I want what it was
Speaker 1: off fair. I'll tell you what it was off fair.
Speaker 1: Have we crossed off one of the few remaining options? Though,
Speaker 1: as far as like a place in liss Felis that
Speaker 1: serves oysters, it seems like we have not Ellen. Let's
Speaker 1: just say there is one that hasn't been mentioned, and
Speaker 1: that place, unfortunately that they wouldn't be in this position
Speaker 1: of the will they won't they in the will we
Speaker 1: name it in the reader's minds, which I won't. But
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have given me food poisoning. Then that's all. Sure.
Speaker 1: My heart is with you. My heart is thinking I
Speaker 1: have a I have a relationship with oysters as well,
Speaker 1: and I would hate for it to come to an end.
Speaker 1: It just took a hard left, you know. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for what's what's your oyster preference? You like you
Speaker 1: you're a briny guyan coast? Are you thinking? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you hearing this? Why is there music? What is
Speaker 1: happening on my computer on this day? Wait? What the
Speaker 1: funk is going on? What is this? Is beautiful? We're
Speaker 1: keeping all of it. It's like it's like a woman
Speaker 1: going meditation that I was listening to earlier. Why did
Speaker 1: it start playing? I don't need you now, no meditation
Speaker 1: for a meditation to stress you out and stress me
Speaker 1: out that you want to talk about a betrayal, talk
Speaker 1: about something that you love being the thing that will
Speaker 1: kill you. Meditation meditation giving stress. It's like a horror
Speaker 1: movie that is truly like a horror movie twist. It's
Speaker 1: like a horror movie twist. That's like one of the
Speaker 1: most scary parts of a horror Wait, that's like a
Speaker 1: great Someone write that up a Blumhouse scary movie about
Speaker 1: like an awful cursed meditation and cursed meditation. It's actually
Speaker 1: really good. That's a good black cursing meditation. App that's
Speaker 1: a great black mirror it is. That's solid. I think
Speaker 1: Dave should play the person that the voice because David Dave.
Speaker 1: You've You've heard this your whole life, But I feel
Speaker 1: like Dave really just does have this such a good timber,
Speaker 1: a good voice. Thank you so much. From where does
Speaker 1: that come from? Oh? God? Uh you know t in
Speaker 1: the Morton Now, I don't. Um. I did do radio
Speaker 1: really early. Um. I lied my way into a radio
Speaker 1: job in high school and h and was on the
Speaker 1: air that I was a student of the college that
Speaker 1: the station was. It was the radio station four kay
Speaker 1: y m C in Sat. Louis, Missouri, And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was a sophomore in high school
Speaker 1: and I just rode my bike out and had a
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon show. And I don't know, I don't It's
Speaker 1: just it's just my voice. I'm going to say something.
Speaker 1: I guess there are some radio voices people with who
Speaker 1: do radio, whose voices when they are out in the wild,
Speaker 1: when you hear them in the real and real line,
Speaker 1: it's a little jarring to go, wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: is this affect? Is this? Are you locked into this
Speaker 1: with Dave with Dave Holmes? And it's only ever been Wow,
Speaker 1: that man has a nice for because effortlessness is a
Speaker 1: part of your thing. Because this is and this comes
Speaker 1: back to the VJ of it all. So I actually,
Speaker 1: like when they were trying to reboot VJs, I think
Speaker 1: Bowhen when we were right out of college, I actually
Speaker 1: auditioned to be like and like I went, I went
Speaker 1: and did like the adian forward or whatever, and that
Speaker 1: like didn't go bad, but it didn't move forward. But
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking while I was there, how do
Speaker 1: you just seem so cool? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that that was part of because everyone was in
Speaker 1: the room being like, Okay, I'm trying to be a VJ.
Speaker 1: And the number one thing that they all have in
Speaker 1: common was they were able to project like an ease
Speaker 1: and a cool factor that made you want to like
Speaker 1: buy into this like young cool MTV brand. So I
Speaker 1: guess my question is like, how did you get into
Speaker 1: that space? I know, I know how you did because
Speaker 1: of the show, but which I think would be really
Speaker 1: interesting to talk about now after like we've seen so
Speaker 1: many reality shows become that weird. It's so weird, but
Speaker 1: also like, how do you navigate that, like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be cool professionally? Does that kind of Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think I benefited at the beginning from just being like um,
Speaker 1: because of the way I got the job. I kind
Speaker 1: of came in and by the time I made it
Speaker 1: a the top ten, I was like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get this. I'm not going to get So it was
Speaker 1: a competition called want to be a right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was it was basically, I mean, it's weird, like
Speaker 1: when people bring it up now, they're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: were on season one of that thing, and it's like
Speaker 1: that thing was four hours on a Saturday afternoon. That
Speaker 1: was it basically like a couple of days on the
Speaker 1: live show and then a four hour event on Saturday.
Speaker 1: But be yeah. It was like it was an audition
Speaker 1: up until the top ten, and then the viewers called in,
Speaker 1: called in and voted and chows from there. And there
Speaker 1: was this wild character named Jesse, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this is obviously the person who's gonna win. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna sort of treat this like
Speaker 1: an interview and just like meet people and talk to
Speaker 1: them and be normal because I'm not. I can't out
Speaker 1: character the character, you know what I mean, and it
Speaker 1: would be dumb to try. So it's like I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I guess. Like it took not knowing I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna get it took all of the pressure off. So
Speaker 1: I was able to just sort of like chill and
Speaker 1: do it. And then they ended up hiring me anyway,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm not gonna change anything.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't make sense for me to suddenly be like
Speaker 1: a big character you know, that doesn't come naturally, you know.
Speaker 1: So what a what a what a great instinct to
Speaker 1: drop the artifice in the face of seeing someone maybe
Speaker 1: the the guy who wants what was his name again,
Speaker 1: Jesse Camp, Jessie Camp, maybe like I'm not. It's not
Speaker 1: to say that he was artificial in that character, but
Speaker 1: it's like for you to have I mean, I would
Speaker 1: have completely gone the other way and been like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what he's doing because that's what they
Speaker 1: seem to like, and like, yeah, I just wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to do it. I just wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able. I wouldn't be able to keep
Speaker 1: a straight face, you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 1: I just sort of didn't. But I guess like that
Speaker 1: was another thing about it, too, is I remember like
Speaker 1: reading VJ Copy it is really hard just to not
Speaker 1: do what's up guys that that that like you have
Speaker 1: of VJ and here we are going to talk where
Speaker 1: about this person over here? Like it's so hard to
Speaker 1: not go into that, but you are able to maintain
Speaker 1: you And that I think was so that's such a
Speaker 1: skill at such a talent. Thanks. Thanks, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but it truly was just from like I
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to be you know, to be
Speaker 1: the big like I wouldn't be like a proper good
Speaker 1: radio JA because I know it's not in me to
Speaker 1: be like yeah yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, anyway, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's lovely. It's lovely. That is like liberating self awareness
Speaker 1: to know yourself back then, which I don't do you
Speaker 1: think it's harder to know yourself now than it isn't
Speaker 1: like the late nineties. I can't tell. I'm like if
Speaker 1: I had grown up like just like ten years if
Speaker 1: I if I was just born ten years earlier, would
Speaker 1: I have been more anchored to stuff or would I
Speaker 1: have been like less available with my resource? Like what
Speaker 1: what would I have been like less in touch with
Speaker 1: like things that I know? Like okay, this is what's
Speaker 1: like does that make sense. I'm speaking in abstraction. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: the answer is obvious, which is probably we all would
Speaker 1: have been more of an individual I think ten fift
Speaker 1: twenty years ago when there wasn't any social media or
Speaker 1: two at all times. And you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: how different do you think it would be for someone
Speaker 1: now being like a representative to to all of the
Speaker 1: youth with social media? Probably so much different? Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I am so glad that I
Speaker 1: was there before YouTube, before social media. What we had
Speaker 1: was I mean, first of all, like you know, we
Speaker 1: messed things up left, right and center, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of part of the appeal and whatever it was.
Speaker 1: You know, it was live and it was fun and
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah. Um, but like to make a mistake
Speaker 1: and have it like stay with you forever be so
Speaker 1: unbelievably awful. Um. And also like we had when I
Speaker 1: started there, all we had I don't even know if
Speaker 1: there was a proper MTV dot calm, but there was
Speaker 1: like a there was a channel on a O L
Speaker 1: and that channel had like message boards and once early
Speaker 1: I was like, um, and and each of us each
Speaker 1: of the on air people have their own older or whatever,
Speaker 1: and uh and I went and I looked at mine,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, no, no, this is not
Speaker 1: this is not for me to see at all, because
Speaker 1: it's all you know, at that time, anyone using a
Speaker 1: computer to go online was like a grounded fourteen year
Speaker 1: old girl, right who And there's no one meaner on
Speaker 1: the planet than a grounded fourteen year old girl on
Speaker 1: her dad's computer on a dial up connection. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I got to yeah, thank god there was none
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. But I do like I
Speaker 1: wonder what I would what kind of person I would
Speaker 1: be if I were, you know, fifteen years younger and
Speaker 1: didn't grow up feeling like the only person like me
Speaker 1: on the planet like it was. There was a lot
Speaker 1: about that that was really terrible, obviously, um, but there
Speaker 1: was also a lot about that was really good, like
Speaker 1: instilled to drive within me to like prove myself and
Speaker 1: and succeed and be heard and all that. And I
Speaker 1: might not have that. If I found my tribe at
Speaker 1: I might be a very specific kind of monster. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that is interesting. Yeah, I think about that often.
Speaker 1: I think about like, um, like if I were if
Speaker 1: would I would I try as hard and work as
Speaker 1: hard and like try to put myself out there as much,
Speaker 1: improve so much if I didn't feel like there was
Speaker 1: like a large part of my upbringing where I just
Speaker 1: couldn't see myself represented ever, and so I wanted to
Speaker 1: work to become that. And now it's like you look
Speaker 1: around and that's like really not true anymore at all.
Speaker 1: And like you, I often think, like why the like
Speaker 1: basic way I phrase it. Sometimes it's like what if
Speaker 1: I were straight, would I'd be a fucking monster? But
Speaker 1: like I do think about that, like you know, like
Speaker 1: and like you're grateful for the adversity or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but still it had to be hard. Forgive me if
Speaker 1: this is too much. But did you remain closeted the
Speaker 1: entire time I was out? But not on the air?
Speaker 1: But not on the air, That's what I guess, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, which is like I look back and I'm
Speaker 1: like what what? What? What makes total sense to me? Now?
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean it does to me too, but
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make it any less disappointing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I I do understand you know
Speaker 1: that I was like not trying to rock the boat
Speaker 1: and that and that there was no you know, blogs
Speaker 1: and social media and ways to like continue sort of
Speaker 1: doing your thing when the show ends, and it's you
Speaker 1: know whatever you have to like wrangle the press into it.
Speaker 1: And the press doesn't give they don't care. They you know,
Speaker 1: they're like they don't care who I am or I'm
Speaker 1: not having you know what I mean. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not interesting in that way, so whatever, I
Speaker 1: at it. But it's like, you know, I look back
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, we were promoting the hell out
Speaker 1: of eminem who said the F word and I and
Speaker 1: it like never entered my mind not to participate in
Speaker 1: it or to speak up in any way at all,
Speaker 1: which is nuts. But anyway, I was out and I
Speaker 1: was out of my private life. It's just that you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody cared enough to make it public and I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't do the thing. I didn't say
Speaker 1: the words, you know, right, whether or not it's public.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this is something that um, I
Speaker 1: just I've just parroted this line ever since Beauty Wah
Speaker 1: was was on this podcast. He was talking about Asian
Speaker 1: people working in show biz. But I think that just
Speaker 1: applies in a very general way to people who like
Speaker 1: there was just no process probably for you to like
Speaker 1: make it, or for anybody to to to have like
Speaker 1: coming out and feeling good and safe about it publicly
Speaker 1: to be an inevitable inevitability. Like now it just is
Speaker 1: inevitable if you are queer, if you are sort of
Speaker 1: like self defining in that way. Like it's hopefully people
Speaker 1: feel somewhat comfortable with that or it's not. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like this high risk thing in the way that
Speaker 1: it used to be. But like I mean, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as you brought up eminem, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course, like that, that would completely discourage anyone who
Speaker 1: worked at MTV to want to like publicly say, by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm gay. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was they.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember this. I remember on say What Karaoke,
Speaker 1: somebody did it like a Brittany or Christina or something,
Speaker 1: and the navel was out and all that and whatever,
Speaker 1: and I said, I said something like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the straight boys are gonna love this or whatever, and
Speaker 1: my and my producer in my ear was like, let's
Speaker 1: take that again, I said why because basically, yeah, she
Speaker 1: was like, you said, all the straight guys, just say
Speaker 1: all the guys, and I was like, okay, and I did,
Speaker 1: and I don't you know, I could have dug my
Speaker 1: heels in and I didn't. Yeah, that's okay, that's weird.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's not weird. I'm looking I'm
Speaker 1: looking at with you know, filter on it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, of course things were not then
Speaker 1: the way they are now, and sometimes I think I
Speaker 1: think with time we forget what it was like at
Speaker 1: that time. But it was suffocating and it was also
Speaker 1: not something because at that time, if you had been
Speaker 1: an MTVVJ, which you were, and m Eminem is the
Speaker 1: most played artist and most pushed artists, I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a time where he truly ruled the channel. I
Speaker 1: mean think I'll remember it. And you were to say
Speaker 1: you're gay, it's almost like you're speaking out against him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he was so he
Speaker 1: made such a part of his thing that he was homophobic,
Speaker 1: that anyone gay like is naturally at odds with him
Speaker 1: and therefore like you know, an enemy of his and
Speaker 1: critical of him, and that is a dangerous game to
Speaker 1: start playing when you need to be the one of
Speaker 1: the faces of the channel and then you're at odds
Speaker 1: with your place of work. Right, yeah, it's nothing but trouble.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but so yeah, I mean I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like out and you know, bringing boyfriends to
Speaker 1: events and stuff. It just didn't quite register. A different time,
Speaker 1: a different time, a different era. Oh there's that new
Speaker 1: Oyster place. You're never going to get it out of me.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happens. Found Oyster was found Oyster.
Speaker 1: It wasn't found Oyster. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I will tell you after. But the thing is, like
Speaker 1: I have to be able to go back there again,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't want them to struggle, like
Speaker 1: especially during this time of COVID. I can't be telling
Speaker 1: that to a restaurant. I can't restaurant. I just can't.
Speaker 1: Everybody's holding on by their fingertips. I'm excited for their
Speaker 1: show where they saw an alien? Did you guys see that?
Speaker 1: There's a Demi Leavitto show on Peacock where they saw
Speaker 1: an alien. It's a documentary, it's a reality show. It's
Speaker 1: what is it called but there it's literally coming out.
Speaker 1: We love here. I just think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot happening right now with them, and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's an announced week. It feels like yeah, or like
Speaker 1: a new project. And which is not to say that
Speaker 1: all of like their life experiences in the last few
Speaker 1: years have been like you know, sort of like press release,
Speaker 1: but you know, but like I like, I've been asked
Speaker 1: three separate times to be like on a YouTube show
Speaker 1: of their's on a different YouTube show in the last
Speaker 1: I would say six months, and I'm like, wait, I
Speaker 1: can't keep up with like how many things. Levado is
Speaker 1: like starting what are you Jojo? See one now? And
Speaker 1: this is by the way, JoJo's absolutely stomping it out
Speaker 1: on Dumping with the stars with it is. It's lovely
Speaker 1: to to watch. So this is just this came out
Speaker 1: three hours ago. On page six. Demi Levado believe something
Speaker 1: is out there. The twenty nine year old pop star
Speaker 1: claims they once had a close encounter with extraterrestrial beings
Speaker 1: in Joshua Tree, California. A k that got really high
Speaker 1: you did, and the out of this world experience was
Speaker 1: mind plowing. Quote, we went out into the desert and
Speaker 1: Joshua Tree, and I basically saw this blue orb that
Speaker 1: was about fifty feet away, maybe less, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of like floating above the ground, just like ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen feet and it was kind of keeping its
Speaker 1: distance from me. It was a beautiful and incredible experience.
Speaker 1: And this anecdote came while they were promoting their new
Speaker 1: Peacock series Unidentified with Demi Levado, in which they attempt
Speaker 1: to uncover the truth about UFO phenomena alongside sister Dallas
Speaker 1: Levado and best friend who we actually love and shout out,
Speaker 1: Matthew's got Montgomery, so he's on the show. But this
Speaker 1: is a real thing, Demi. Demi believes they saw an
Speaker 1: alien and Joshua. I also don't want to insanuate that
Speaker 1: they were high, because they're famously sober. What I mean
Speaker 1: is of things when you're sober, that is true. But
Speaker 1: a lot of things go down in Joshua Tree and
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily aliens. That's all I have to say
Speaker 1: that is that those elegantly said it was beautifully said.
Speaker 1: You did not, Demi Levado, Demi Levado, just there, no right,
Speaker 1: I did I Demi Levado, Demi Levado. But a second
Speaker 1: ago where I was like, not everything is a press release,
Speaker 1: I I take back what I said. I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's just a lot of out there. There's just
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of output. But I mean, Matt
Speaker 1: and I have constant check ins being like, wait, dummy,
Speaker 1: Demi Levado is the one. Demi Levado so constantly proves
Speaker 1: themselves to be the one that it constantly provokes a conversation,
Speaker 1: and this article says Demi. Levado went on to say,
Speaker 1: I love that halfway through the article they're still they're
Speaker 1: not saying Demi, They're saying Demi. Levados went on to
Speaker 1: say that their encounter changed the way they see the world.
Speaker 1: You have an inkling and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: that inkling is confirmed, the singer explained, It changes your
Speaker 1: reality for sure. Oh wow, beautiful, unexplained, speaking of people
Speaker 1: in the conversation, Well, we just we just I mean,
Speaker 1: we just Matt and I just want to know what
Speaker 1: Dave you think of the latest in the Britney Spears saga.
Speaker 1: I have not yet seen the new documentary watched Okay,
Speaker 1: what can you tell us? Basically, all the colors in
Speaker 1: is the fact that this surveill it really like um
Speaker 1: sort of focuses on the surveillance aspect of her conservatorship,
Speaker 1: where basically it's revealed that she was basically never alone.
Speaker 1: She was followed constantly. All of her conversations were monitored,
Speaker 1: and if she was going to have a conversation or
Speaker 1: an interaction with someone and had to be scheduled and
Speaker 1: all of those were monitored. Basically she was watched one
Speaker 1: percent of the time, like people protected. Yeah, like over yes,
Speaker 1: maybe honestly she was. That was a little bit now,
Speaker 1: that was before. But maybe it was a premonition that
Speaker 1: she had was a premonition and unexplained. But that's really
Speaker 1: what the documentary says is on top of everything you saw,
Speaker 1: the surveillance, which was not covered in the documentary, um
Speaker 1: as intently as everything else was really out of control. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I you know, UM, obviously I'm pleased that Brittany seems
Speaker 1: to be on her way to being freed. Does seem
Speaker 1: to be happening curiously quickly, though it seems like everything
Speaker 1: was moving very slowly for a very long time, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was if like Jamie Spears,
Speaker 1: it's just senses that the public tide has turned or whatever,
Speaker 1: or if that's even meaningful to him, or if there
Speaker 1: is something sneaky going on where it's just like you
Speaker 1: don't want it, great, we're taking it away. And then
Speaker 1: the first, like the moment she does something publicly kind
Speaker 1: of questionable or whatever, it'll be like see, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, interesting? Interesting? You know, to that end,
Speaker 1: I don't because I don't. I don't think anyone's gonna
Speaker 1: leave her alone. When she is able to like move
Speaker 1: about freely, that's that's gonna be. Like the last truly
Speaker 1: valuable paparazzi shot is her like out in the room,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which sucks talk about like
Speaker 1: looking back at from one like those things and the
Speaker 1: Woods Dot nine and and all that. It's like that
Speaker 1: world which is like, you know, the world that I
Speaker 1: was young in is like disgusting, disgusting, Like the way
Speaker 1: that we spoke to her was disgusting. The you know,
Speaker 1: the guy from the Offspring coming out and bludgeoning uh
Speaker 1: the Backstreet Boys in effigy on stage in front of
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people is like that's discussed and
Speaker 1: that ship is all tons better than the stuff that
Speaker 1: I was a teenager during that, Like you know, all
Speaker 1: of the every teen comedy in the eighties is like
Speaker 1: ends with a crowd pleasing sexual assault, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's it's just it's it's just wild to look back
Speaker 1: at it now, and I can't help but feel a
Speaker 1: little a little disgusting. Yeah, but sure, has it gotten
Speaker 1: any better? I mean I feel like that just sounds
Speaker 1: like like like I don't know, like attacking something in
Speaker 1: effigy feels very now to I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: think of an example that's I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying bout and I think I
Speaker 1: often think that that that stuff happens privately now, and
Speaker 1: it happens in like channels that we don't see, because again,
Speaker 1: it happens on social media, and it happens so intensely
Speaker 1: and so so severely that like we almost like it's
Speaker 1: it is happening. It's just because it's like that mob
Speaker 1: mentality of like that sort of fanatical like following of
Speaker 1: someone that's famous, like that, all that all that energy
Speaker 1: gets funneled into online now and so now it's like
Speaker 1: it's even scarier in a way because it can live
Speaker 1: in a private place where only the attacked can see
Speaker 1: it oftentimes, or like it happens in a way where
Speaker 1: only the attacked understands the volume with which it's coming
Speaker 1: at them. So that's I think what makes it so
Speaker 1: intense now. But I don't think it went away. I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that you I think, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you, that that would be that that getting that
Speaker 1: PAPARAZZII shot of Brittany post freedom would be like the
Speaker 1: last valuable paparazzi photo, which makes me think, wow, has
Speaker 1: anything fundamentally changed. She's still as vulnerable as she was,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago or however long ago. And
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, obviously it's a better circumstance for
Speaker 1: her not to be in this conservatorship. That's something that
Speaker 1: everybody agrees. And I think and I feel like politically,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it even that it's so obvious
Speaker 1: that it's like, who would you be if not a contrarian?
Speaker 1: If you were like, I actually think she should stay
Speaker 1: in the conservatorship. But I'm just saying, like the last
Speaker 1: valuable paparazzi photo would be of Brittany out in the
Speaker 1: wild and people would be like, wow, look she means yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting that you are a little suspicious of
Speaker 1: at the pace of the yeah. And what's god, what's
Speaker 1: worse is like, you know, the paparazzi industry or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's probably not what it once was. You don't see
Speaker 1: them as often, um, but now everybody has a phone
Speaker 1: in their camera and there are enough shitty people who
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, there she is, I'll get the
Speaker 1: shot or whatever, um we get Like I live in
Speaker 1: Studio City in l A. And like the paparazzi show
Speaker 1: up to the farmer's market to get a shot of
Speaker 1: like John Cryer picking out an eggplant or you know,
Speaker 1: like the good stuff, the good stuff. It's just wild.
Speaker 1: Like what they will still hide out and hang out
Speaker 1: to get very sure but in like a gym want
Speaker 1: age or whatever comes after. It's like, I mean, who
Speaker 1: do at this point, I have been desensitized full and
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't care whoever, Like I don't care
Speaker 1: who it is, it's all, it's all just don't know.
Speaker 1: I have had to um followed so many times, like
Speaker 1: I keep out of curiosity following again and then I
Speaker 1: then I just feel my stress level elevate. I feel
Speaker 1: my like I am half of the people. I don't
Speaker 1: know who they are. It drives me nuts that everyone's
Speaker 1: like a non please, it's like no one, they never
Speaker 1: use your name, that you can go ahead and just
Speaker 1: that can be silent. Now, Yeah, I'm currently not following Yes, yes, uh,
Speaker 1: neither am I I don't know about I am following them,
Speaker 1: but I just I just think it's like I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel the needs like defend why
Speaker 1: I'm following them, but I don't have to. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just for me. Sometimes I'm fascinated by who they're featuring. Um.
Speaker 1: Other times I'm just like, there is and look, I
Speaker 1: was just copped to this. There is a little part
Speaker 1: of me that is that that little gay boy that
Speaker 1: was raised in the nineties and the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: who very much wanted to not be in my circumstance,
Speaker 1: who looked up to people that were famous for better
Speaker 1: or worse, and um wanted to be part of that
Speaker 1: world and was susceptible to that type of culture. And
Speaker 1: I think that I'm not alone there. And I think
Speaker 1: that if we're actually like gonna be honest about it.
Speaker 1: A lot of us like who came of age during
Speaker 1: the time that is being sort of reexamined now so
Speaker 1: much it feels like the media can't stop with four
Speaker 1: women in particular, Britney Spears, Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana, and
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. Now, these were all women who ended up
Speaker 1: in tragic circumstances that were at the height of their
Speaker 1: fame during the most vicious time in American media history,
Speaker 1: and I think that like part of I think my
Speaker 1: fascination now, and I think everyone's fascination with that time
Speaker 1: is because we can't believe our own complicity and because
Speaker 1: we can't believe our own um ability to be owned
Speaker 1: by the celebrity tabloid culture as much as we were,
Speaker 1: because it really was mainstream entertainment. And so I think that,
Speaker 1: like when I watched like any pieces of media on
Speaker 1: them now, it's just there's a little element of it
Speaker 1: which I think is funny, which is everyone being like
Speaker 1: and can't you believe how horrible this was, And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we should all believe it because we were all fed
Speaker 1: it and we all participated in it. So it's not
Speaker 1: this thing where we like shake our finger and sneer
Speaker 1: at whatever one entity like Jamie Spears or like whoever
Speaker 1: it is, Like you know that that we're focusing on
Speaker 1: is the villain or any of these pieces. We have
Speaker 1: to look inward too, and how are we going to
Speaker 1: change our behavior in going forward? And so like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it ends in me on following Dumois
Speaker 1: and that's the way I do better. But you know,
Speaker 1: we're all no one's perfect in this is this is
Speaker 1: this the subtext behind American crime story Impeachment, which Matt
Speaker 1: is watching very closely. I am watching, you know, I
Speaker 1: am watching it. Um, I h it's it's definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that it's taking obviously extremely sympathetic
Speaker 1: um angle towards Monica, and I think that that is
Speaker 1: both um in line with the times and also like
Speaker 1: due to her involvement and as a producer. And I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty honest in terms of like how it happened.
Speaker 1: You know, he abused his power against her and she
Speaker 1: was a vulnerable kid, and it ended up much worse
Speaker 1: for her than it did for him. And I'm reminded
Speaker 1: of you know, Bone and I going to Radio City
Speaker 1: musical to see Tony Bennett and Lady got a few
Speaker 1: months ago and he walked in the room and you
Speaker 1: got a standing ovation from everyone in there, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, like not to say this everyone not everyone, um,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, oh, I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit for sitting down for stings. I just didn't
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't need my my classic like and
Speaker 1: I also feel like, you know, not to say that.
Speaker 1: The the the miniseries is you know, a work of
Speaker 1: like nonfiction down Obviously it's leaning into some stuff, but
Speaker 1: you know, he's not worthy of applause. The guy exactly
Speaker 1: the lean cuisine of it. All tons of lean cuisines
Speaker 1: and not a lean cuisine work. And that also makes
Speaker 1: you see yourself because that's another thing like if I
Speaker 1: would if I was if this was me in the
Speaker 1: nineties right now, I'd be lean cuisine in lane pocketing.
Speaker 1: I was lane pocketing well into the early teensies. Wow,
Speaker 1: at best, boy, I can't said earlier. And I can't
Speaker 1: believe that has that didn't catch on is like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like tar or whatever. I can we really
Speaker 1: were you want to know what? I just think it's
Speaker 1: because people probably just loved Best Buy too much already,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's probably the best by
Speaker 1: It's just too true. It's probably true, it's probably yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I'm enjoying it and um impeachment and and
Speaker 1: I'm everyone is very I'm curious as to how Hillary
Speaker 1: will be handled. That's that's another thing, is they're really
Speaker 1: dangling the Hillary carrot bow. Yes, yes, falco right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right. So you know, the Hillary episode is going
Speaker 1: to be magnificent, but there's gonna be a there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a basically, there's gonna be a Carmelo soprano like
Speaker 1: meltdown moment, and we are going to witness it, and
Speaker 1: we are going to live out Hillary dressing down Bill
Speaker 1: like like anyone would want to that that watched that
Speaker 1: unfold all those years ago, you know. But also it's
Speaker 1: just like again and Hillary is another one of them
Speaker 1: where it's just like we keep fixating on these women
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's because we can't deal with
Speaker 1: the fact that we've like treated them so badly and
Speaker 1: like the world has been so misogynist in terms of
Speaker 1: how we know them, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 1: really interesting. Oh but I congratulations, thank you on what
Speaker 1: today's promotion day. Yes, but like we said, just it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's mostly just ceremonial and that's great. I've
Speaker 1: always been curious about this. How do you feel the
Speaker 1: like right when you're about to start up Uh. To
Speaker 1: be totally honest, I feel very nervous. I'm just I
Speaker 1: I felt like I had a nice solid week after
Speaker 1: wrapping this movie that Matt and I did with Joe
Speaker 1: and Booster again, congratulations, thank you. Between that and starting
Speaker 1: up work again this week, I had a nice week
Speaker 1: of just like pure stillness and bliss and it was
Speaker 1: like it was something that I was craving all summer.
Speaker 1: And then now, I mean we went back into thirty
Speaker 1: rock today was to get tested and then I ran
Speaker 1: into some people and I mean saw like a lot
Speaker 1: of like like crew guys, and I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: this is nice, Like it was just nice to be like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: how is your summer? You look great like all these things. Um,
Speaker 1: But then it was it's it's just been in the
Speaker 1: saying out loud things that I would only say when
Speaker 1: the season is on, Like yeah, anyway, I just got
Speaker 1: this idea Neodling around and um, you know, let let
Speaker 1: it like, um, let's work on something like just like
Speaker 1: like little micro expressions. I can't think of too many
Speaker 1: right now, but like but now, like those are for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, triggering, and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, like thematically, I'm like back in this like
Speaker 1: place of being like, oh this is uncomfortable or this
Speaker 1: is nerves, this is nerve wracking. But uh talking to
Speaker 1: a lot of other people and they're just like and
Speaker 1: I think I think eight Brian in particular is just like,
Speaker 1: let's just like let's just try to like healthily detached
Speaker 1: as much as possible, which I think is the way
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah. I'm just always like, are you preparing
Speaker 1: your body for sure? Is I did him? I didn't?
Speaker 1: What does that mean nothing? What does that mean? Bowen
Speaker 1: got laid a bunch last week? Right? Stop? Stop ready.
Speaker 1: That's not preparation sexual preparation. It's getting your body absolutely
Speaker 1: taken care of for the moment where you step on
Speaker 1: stage or hun of millions and everyone watching at home
Speaker 1: said he has sex. There is a glow. I wondered
Speaker 1: if it was a ring light he came on this,
Speaker 1: whether he was wearing no glasses. I was like, are
Speaker 1: we doing no glasses? Absolute bowen yang face to face
Speaker 1: and he said, let me put them on. I was like,
Speaker 1: but you look stunning, And it's because he has the glow.
Speaker 1: He got that glow. The only preparation aspect of that
Speaker 1: is that it's like, well, I'm know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have sex when the show is like,
Speaker 1: it's just I will be too stressed out for the
Speaker 1: next eight months, which is fine. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's um and my my, my, my body.
Speaker 1: I did a meditation yesterday. I don't know if it helps.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just me like beating the tied
Speaker 1: back and there's like a title wave coming. But it's
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, It's gonna ask something, thank you. Oh.
Speaker 1: Is it very interesting to us that like the four
Speaker 1: women that Matt named off Diana, Whitney, Brittany and said
Speaker 1: miss Monica, like that they are from like a similar
Speaker 1: time period and that we're still fixated on them. Is
Speaker 1: it that there's been this like twenty year cycle or
Speaker 1: twenty years sort of like m hmm, turnaround on it
Speaker 1: where culturally we're interested in that specific time in like culture,
Speaker 1: or is it that like they are the last sort
Speaker 1: of still lag might whatever calcified thing in like an
Speaker 1: intense scrutiny of like pop cultural figures that like they
Speaker 1: remained that they're the last we have, like they're the
Speaker 1: last thing that we remember being this um unified in
Speaker 1: our lif Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it is the
Speaker 1: you know, it's the cycle, Like they're up in the
Speaker 1: cycle for sure. And then also yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: that is there is nothing that we all know about
Speaker 1: now there not, but there's not a ton of god
Speaker 1: so fucking twenty years from now, it'll be you know,
Speaker 1: even it'll be weird. No, just the things that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be looking back on, you know, the Ryan Murphy
Speaker 1: UH Prestige series of the UH in late twenties thirties
Speaker 1: about you know, the Trump years and all that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's gonna be. No, it's weird to see,
Speaker 1: like because there used to be like obsession with the nineties. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I feel like something has happened in the last
Speaker 1: like five years where the nineties have truly become retro,
Speaker 1: Like the nineties have truly become like another time it
Speaker 1: used to feel like like like the eighties were I
Speaker 1: feel like we've officially moved on. Maybe we've literally moved
Speaker 1: into a new decade. And so this is true, but
Speaker 1: it feels retro now and like from a far away
Speaker 1: just at land for the first time ever. And I
Speaker 1: feel like that's why we're seeing so much content about it,
Speaker 1: because it's the first time that that all feels nostalgic. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not even nostalgia anymore. It's like,
Speaker 1: here's the underbell at which we have. Like back during
Speaker 1: the early buzz feed days when it was like for millennials,
Speaker 1: it'd be like, remember how fun that time was, And
Speaker 1: now it's like, no, everything was fucked. Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean do you remember we had a sketch about
Speaker 1: this in Popular lat Yeah. I mean, you guys, it's
Speaker 1: a Matt Rodger study Green before you were in the group.
Speaker 1: So it was like it was like in the vein
Speaker 1: of like a BuzzFeed like like it was like a
Speaker 1: kid's bought music video, which was like them talking about
Speaker 1: nineties stuff, and it was just like remember tang oh Friends,
Speaker 1: Like it was just like you know, like and then
Speaker 1: we just sneak in like the like Unibar, not like
Speaker 1: Kosovo or like you know, Oklahoma City Bomber. That's what
Speaker 1: I meant to say, Just like the nineties were actually
Speaker 1: a fucked dark time and so much was past off
Speaker 1: as like whatever, and then you look back and it's
Speaker 1: like lou Perlman managed so many of those kids, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah what yeah? Yeah? R Kelly
Speaker 1: convicted to literally today today like this this is getting
Speaker 1: released on Wednesday but recording on Monday. But I mean
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, you couldn't get a bigger one
Speaker 1: of the biggest artists of the nineties. They're just like
Speaker 1: it's weird, Michael Jackson, It's all weird. It's like the
Speaker 1: curtain gets eventually pulled back, and it feels like it's
Speaker 1: getting pulled back on that time period hard right now. Yeah, yeah, none,
Speaker 1: and it's none of none of it's good news, no
Speaker 1: good news. It's never the surprising good news behind that
Speaker 1: thing you were doing. Like imagine if it, yeah, I
Speaker 1: imagine if it was like, oh my god, Nick Carter
Speaker 1: donated a billion dollars to share, you know, like like
Speaker 1: you wish it was that. No, it's Aaron Carter gets
Speaker 1: a new face tattoo. Yeah, yeah, for sure, maybe that
Speaker 1: but like that's like the focal but I feel like
Speaker 1: the focal the focal length, like oh, it's it takes
Speaker 1: you know, let's just throw out a number, random number,
Speaker 1: twenty years for us to like really examine this in
Speaker 1: the most not honest way, but in a way that
Speaker 1: makes sense in context with like the current culture we
Speaker 1: live in. It's like, is that getting is that getting
Speaker 1: shorter and shorter? Like I don't know. But um, as
Speaker 1: we talk about historic culture in our lives, should we
Speaker 1: ask you the question? Yes we should, Matt, you asked, Okay,
Speaker 1: so Dave, yes, this is maybe, um, one of the
Speaker 1: most important questions you'll be asked. So this is the
Speaker 1: cornerstone of our of our really let's just call it
Speaker 1: what it is podcast here, um and the sweet from
Speaker 1: which a mighty tree, very very much so. And so
Speaker 1: that's see that question is what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? So that that
Speaker 1: pop culture, that just general culture, whatever you can think
Speaker 1: of that made Dave Holmes day at homes We'd love
Speaker 1: to hear that. I I think it was Annie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the best songs ever, and it doesn't get
Speaker 1: the credit. Oh no, it doesn't. Tomorrow gets all the
Speaker 1: gets all the gets all the credit and then Little Girls.
Speaker 1: But really, maybe is giving you something you could feel?
Speaker 1: M yeah, I um, uh that was what Year seven
Speaker 1: must be something like that that the movie, No, no,
Speaker 1: the the original the O b C. I did not
Speaker 1: see it, but my parents did. Uh. My dad was
Speaker 1: in New York for work a lot, and uh, and
Speaker 1: they saw it and I and I guess I was
Speaker 1: already presenting as like one of those one of those boys,
Speaker 1: one of the is he Yeah, I mean although that
Speaker 1: was not like that was probably not what they were thinking,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, like what anyway, they saw it
Speaker 1: and Dave would love this. I was sick and uh.
Speaker 1: And they came home with that, you know, O b C.
Speaker 1: R Are got the R And I played it constantly
Speaker 1: and it was my favorite thing in the world. And
Speaker 1: I had never seen it. I just read that, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was a gatefold sleeve and it had you know,
Speaker 1: it talked to you, you know, by beat through the
Speaker 1: story and then you know, miss Hannigan bemoans her fake
Speaker 1: little girls whatever, and uh, and I just loved it
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know what this is,
Speaker 1: but I want to be a part of it. Somehow
Speaker 1: I eventually got to see it at the Muni in St. Louis.
Speaker 1: They do like uh an outdoor theater. Probably was a
Speaker 1: great production. I'm sure it was. Yeah. I mean it
Speaker 1: dazzled the ship out of a nine year old me
Speaker 1: on a on a you know, muggy August night getting
Speaker 1: bit up by mosquitoes. Um. It just it It's like
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, this is this is what I do.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this is Um. I
Speaker 1: didn't really early on, like I read very early, but
Speaker 1: I was never all that good a student. I have
Speaker 1: attention issues we now know, and uh and and I
Speaker 1: certainly was not an athlete and I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: kind of didn't know where I fit. And then I
Speaker 1: was like exposed to theater and I ultimately did not
Speaker 1: go down the musical theater road. But but but that
Speaker 1: just knowing that it was like people come together and
Speaker 1: like put on a show every night. Is was like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that is, but I
Speaker 1: need to I need to step into it. It was
Speaker 1: it was a very short step from Annie to the
Speaker 1: music Man, which I absolutely loved and cannot wait to
Speaker 1: see on Broadway with a huge I saw my first
Speaker 1: like I think it was just on Instagram, like my
Speaker 1: first ad for I was like, hey, and I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: to go to the Winter Garden some days soon next year.
Speaker 1: Um wow, and so and do you, I mean, are
Speaker 1: you particularly attached to that original that O b C.
Speaker 1: That I haven't listening Ages? But yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: that was like my that was the first thing that
Speaker 1: was like my, you know, UM, and I wrote a
Speaker 1: letter to Andrew mccartell. Did you She wrote back she did,
Speaker 1: Oh did you? Well somebody did, but yeah she signed
Speaker 1: and signed yeah yeah. I had it up on my
Speaker 1: bulletin board for AGES and it was just yeah, I
Speaker 1: was I was just dazzled by the idea of like spectacle,
Speaker 1: you know that, because that was kind of the first
Speaker 1: of it that I was exposed to. And then you know,
Speaker 1: in the mid seventies you had all of this, um
Speaker 1: you had you know, Share and Carol Burnett and um
Speaker 1: and all of these like you know, women of Sketch
Speaker 1: Comedy doing just doing awesome ship and variety. That was
Speaker 1: a big, big, huge variety time. Um, by the way,
Speaker 1: like that is essentially all that we do now socially
Speaker 1: since lostdown. Remember is remember things, you know, we have
Speaker 1: we have people over to the backyard, then set up
Speaker 1: a little projection area just outside of my office in
Speaker 1: the backyard, and when the sun goes down, we have
Speaker 1: like friends over. We've been doing it safely since, you know,
Speaker 1: since covid started. But I'll start like a collaborative YouTube
Speaker 1: playlist and like to everybody, and then we just sort
Speaker 1: of start adding still for it becomes just like so
Speaker 1: it's like music videos and live performances and old comedy
Speaker 1: sketches and like, you know that such a great idea,
Speaker 1: that's such a fun thing, so much fun. It's so
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's so we're we're doing a
Speaker 1: lot of reliving of the of the seventies and eighties
Speaker 1: dance fever and solid gold, and you know, it's there's
Speaker 1: there's a world out there for you. M m m M.
Speaker 1: I mean I've never said this out this kind of
Speaker 1: statement out loud, but like I really probably would have
Speaker 1: picked the seventies if I could have lived in any
Speaker 1: other area. And but I've never actually entertained this question
Speaker 1: before but now I'm like, but hearing like anytime someone
Speaker 1: talks about the seventies and just like you know, of
Speaker 1: course another period of darkness and awful things, but like
Speaker 1: in terms of the culture, and even though like they're
Speaker 1: like there, I don't know how it would have worked
Speaker 1: with me as an Asian person, like fitting in there,
Speaker 1: because I talked to like people like Laurie Tension who
Speaker 1: were around and like adults and creative people like in
Speaker 1: the seventies as Asian people, and they were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like we never were a part of these things. But
Speaker 1: like I feel like I would have just been in heaven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like heaven heaven anyway, not to not not to bring
Speaker 1: that up the race thing in but I feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a controversial statement and say, the film
Speaker 1: version of Annie has a great cast. It's Kathy Bates,
Speaker 1: it's Alan Cumming, it's Victor Barber are Kristin Otter McDonald,
Speaker 1: It's like got like a it does have a stack cast.
Speaker 1: I I was just thinking, like, but you must have
Speaker 1: been gagged though as like Carol Burnett found to watch
Speaker 1: her course, of course, I'm not as connected to the movie.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was a little bit older.
Speaker 1: I was like, she has no Andrew McCardell, She's not alien, Quinn.
Speaker 1: We love her. She's a treasure. But I think I
Speaker 1: never Yeah, I think it was a little too old
Speaker 1: by the time the movie came out. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just and that's a pure that's the purest
Speaker 1: connection you have. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and there there was, Um, it was partially that spectacle
Speaker 1: was happening, but it was also partially that I was
Speaker 1: seen in that way by my you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was, um, it was like, Okay, we're kind
Speaker 1: of the person that you are a sort of starting
Speaker 1: to come together and this might be this might be
Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle. And it was you know, um,
Speaker 1: and I around that time and seventies my oldest. But
Speaker 1: I have two older like brothers, much older, and the
Speaker 1: oldest of them went off to college in seventy nine
Speaker 1: and came back that Christmas with like the best records
Speaker 1: of all time because it was you know, it was
Speaker 1: the clash and talking heads and television and like all
Speaker 1: of this stuff and like party mixtapes and whatever. And
Speaker 1: I was eight or something and suddenly knew about the clash,
Speaker 1: which is like that was like, oh, this, this is
Speaker 1: this is the other half, Like I not only love
Speaker 1: it without understanding any of it. Yeah, but it is
Speaker 1: also a thing that nobody else my age knows and
Speaker 1: it's like this is a key to a an identity
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to unlockt you know, this is so
Speaker 1: this is so interesting. I think more people should own
Speaker 1: up to doing this. Like sometimes you're given something and
Speaker 1: you are you kind of do force yourself to like
Speaker 1: it whether or not you understand it. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I don't need to speak for you, but as
Speaker 1: an eight year old, and you just said like you
Speaker 1: didn't fully under you couldn't fully comprehend what the clash was,
Speaker 1: and you were like, well, this is someone someone I
Speaker 1: looked up to likes it and is giving it to me,
Speaker 1: or is like letting is exposed it to me. It's
Speaker 1: not aware that I'm borrowing it when he's at work.
Speaker 1: But yes, like, was what was that am I projecting?
Speaker 1: Where was that something you were doing? Like You're like,
Speaker 1: this is I'm told this is good, and therefore I
Speaker 1: will force myself to like it. Yes, it definitely it
Speaker 1: had a seal of approval. It was a thing to
Speaker 1: talk about with him, um, which you know, as a
Speaker 1: little brother you're always looking for. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: like it was esoteric. You know that's actually yeah esoteric. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Clash is actually good. It's like like you were
Speaker 1: like wrong, right right right, And you know all of
Speaker 1: this is very you know, it's everyone knows about it now,
Speaker 1: but back then it was just it just felt like
Speaker 1: this is this is from a different place, and I
Speaker 1: and I want to be in that different place. Um.
Speaker 1: Now that oldest brother like has a preset button for
Speaker 1: Fox News in the car, which is a difficult thing
Speaker 1: to watch. That start of the risk you run when
Speaker 1: someone is showing you the Clash albums when you're a kid,
Speaker 1: as they could put on Fox News, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But but that is so interesting because because
Speaker 1: because just knowing you like, you don't get to become
Speaker 1: you don't get to just become this encyclopedic fount of
Speaker 1: knowledge about music and about all this stuff. So you
Speaker 1: had from a very early age a fixation on not
Speaker 1: just music, but like music information, music history, um, music culture.
Speaker 1: So because you were sort of being exposed by by
Speaker 1: these records and that that that type of deal which
Speaker 1: is say yeah for sure, yeah, and and it was
Speaker 1: just it was like I can't impress on you enough,
Speaker 1: like how much. It was just like something to do,
Speaker 1: you know, something to be I was you know, I
Speaker 1: was always in small Catholic schools, right, and it's like
Speaker 1: and you there aren't a whole lot of boxes to
Speaker 1: be in, right and uh. And so it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was fascinated by it anyway, but it
Speaker 1: also like immersing myself in it and knowing a lot
Speaker 1: of at it and whatever was like it became a thing,
Speaker 1: the thing that I did. There. There was like the
Speaker 1: toughest kid in our class in seventh grade, like the
Speaker 1: Matt Hugest like football playing kid. Um We're in the
Speaker 1: locker room and I had like probably had like a
Speaker 1: clash button on my jacket or something, and he looked
Speaker 1: at me and I didn't even know who knew. I
Speaker 1: mean it was a small school. We all knew who
Speaker 1: each other was. But he he looked at me and
Speaker 1: he was like, you're a punk rock or aren't you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, was not, but like but
Speaker 1: it was like if you think so, then yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I am like if that, if that like gives me
Speaker 1: an identity in your eyes, then yes, it's really important
Speaker 1: at that time, you know what I mean, to have
Speaker 1: that thing that people can associate you with, so that
Speaker 1: they have a thing to associate you with, so that
Speaker 1: it was so and and hopefully it's not a bad thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I remember at that age,
Speaker 1: like my older friends that were a little I didn't
Speaker 1: have any older brothers or sisters. I made friends with
Speaker 1: older kids that were on the cross Kund three team
Speaker 1: with me, and they gave me a lot of music
Speaker 1: that they were listening to and it was like it
Speaker 1: was it was like I had to do homework to
Speaker 1: get to know it so that I could have a
Speaker 1: common language to speak with them outside of just you
Speaker 1: know whatever. But a lot of things I realized I
Speaker 1: really liked. I found through that, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's yeah, I just remember, you know,
Speaker 1: I would never have started listening to the Food Fighters
Speaker 1: had had my older friends not said, like, you have
Speaker 1: to listen to the food Fight food Fighters, I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. My natural inclination is to listen to Christina Aguilera.
Speaker 1: So it's like at that age, so it's just different,
Speaker 1: and it did. It varied me up a little bit
Speaker 1: because you just want something to you know, talk about
Speaker 1: and like and be involved with, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it turns out you like it and have
Speaker 1: a talent for it. In your case, Well, two things. One,
Speaker 1: did you say food fighters because you're still mad at oysters? No?
Speaker 1: Did I say food fighters? You want to know? I said,
Speaker 1: come on, don't do that. Said do you are a
Speaker 1: fucking job today? Have homes? You are not going to
Speaker 1: come onto this podcast and say fighters. Did want to
Speaker 1: save food fighters? And then you don't food fighters? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but I heard the most time he said
Speaker 1: food Well, we can run the tape back, but the
Speaker 1: most recent time he said food fighters, and I'm almost
Speaker 1: positive there was new food fighters? Is I know when
Speaker 1: they're I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if that was some third attempt to get me to
Speaker 1: say the name of the restaurant, I will not do it.
Speaker 1: I will not do it. It was transparent, transparent. Um.
Speaker 1: The second thing, if I told you my Christina Aguilar story,
Speaker 1: no need to know, Okay, alright, and then we want
Speaker 1: to take it too t r L two. But I
Speaker 1: want to know about Okay, al right, well it's it's
Speaker 1: at it's there. It all takes place, Okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of it takes place there at her apex Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: so April is the bottle is out. It's not yet,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's March when this happens, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's before that that record has come out. And her label,
Speaker 1: which I think was r C a UM, did a
Speaker 1: thing in um in various cities where UM they would
Speaker 1: bring her at like get a like a nice room
Speaker 1: in a hotel and like play the electronic presscott ePK whatever,
Speaker 1: the five minute montage about who she is and what
Speaker 1: she's going to do and all that, and then she
Speaker 1: would come out and there would be a piano player
Speaker 1: and she would sing a couple of standards and then
Speaker 1: work the room. Right, So I went to the one
Speaker 1: in New York. There were like a few of us
Speaker 1: from MTV went to the one in New York, and
Speaker 1: none of us knew her yet. She had not I
Speaker 1: was not familiar with the Disney you know song or whatever.
Speaker 1: So she was a brand new artist to me. And
Speaker 1: it was just you know, because mulan, because Mulan had
Speaker 1: just had just come out. But you were but you
Speaker 1: but you weren't familiar but that she had already sort
Speaker 1: of like yes, did not watch Mickey mouse Club, was
Speaker 1: not familiar with her from that. You did not know
Speaker 1: her period, did not know her, did not from Adam.
Speaker 1: Uh So I go to the thing, she does the
Speaker 1: thing and then goes to work the room after and
Speaker 1: and of course she's, you know, got an incredible voice
Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing, right, so um so
Speaker 1: she's she gets to the MTV table and um and
Speaker 1: she and we talked to her for a minute and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, you know, my my singles coming out
Speaker 1: in in a few weeks and then the album after that,
Speaker 1: and we all over your network this summer. And I
Speaker 1: was like, great, good luck, you know, I hope to
Speaker 1: see or whatever. Um and then okay, So that was
Speaker 1: the summer that we went, that we spent in the
Speaker 1: Bahamas like isle of MTV, like the summer house was
Speaker 1: fully you can watch on television, the absolute Horney thing
Speaker 1: you can watch on television. Um and and the story,
Speaker 1: the storyline behind the summer programming was that we all
Speaker 1: took a boat there and and then Fred Durst blew
Speaker 1: it up with dynamite with like one of these things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a Bugs Bunny cartoon. You can act me like
Speaker 1: a dynamo, right, So, like during a performance of Nookie
Speaker 1: or something, he like goes and the boat blows up
Speaker 1: and then we're stuck there for the sing. So we
Speaker 1: literally are in the bahamas that entire show and uh,
Speaker 1: and we're because it's um, we're kind of cut off
Speaker 1: from the world, you know what I mean. We had
Speaker 1: no There was one production office that had like one
Speaker 1: dial up connection to the Internet, and like everyone would
Speaker 1: use it to like check their email whatever. You would
Speaker 1: get Yesterday's USA Today at the hotel for you know,
Speaker 1: seven fifty. So it was like yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
Speaker 1: And during that summer, the single came out and the
Speaker 1: album came out, and they blew up and they went
Speaker 1: to number one, and she was all over the network.
Speaker 1: And so then at the end of that summer, we
Speaker 1: then go back to New York. My first assignment is um,
Speaker 1: like a VMA's preview special with her, where we're gonna
Speaker 1: be on a horse drawn carriage going around Central Park,
Speaker 1: also a thing I don't do anymore. And so I
Speaker 1: go and I go um into the makeup room first
Speaker 1: thing that morning, and it's you know, like my colleagues
Speaker 1: who I haven't seen in months and whatever, and so
Speaker 1: we're like catching up and Christina's there and I was
Speaker 1: like hey, and she goes, oh, that's you. I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And she like dismisses the makeup people,
Speaker 1: which are not her makeup people, um like send him
Speaker 1: out of the room, closes the door behind her, and
Speaker 1: she goes, do you remember meeting me? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, the thing that was great? And she
Speaker 1: said do you remember what you said to me? What?
Speaker 1: And I said I don't And she said, I said
Speaker 1: my single and my video we're coming out and I
Speaker 1: was gonna be all over your network this summer. And
Speaker 1: you said good luck. Ah, she thought you were being shady, yes,
Speaker 1: And he was like, no, she remembered to a child.
Speaker 1: She misremembered well or she you know, she might have
Speaker 1: been yeah maybe. I mean she was very young and
Speaker 1: we all know the early years were. How did you
Speaker 1: make it right with her in that moment? I mean
Speaker 1: it was the end of the summer, summer beach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I said, um, I was, she said, and I
Speaker 1: think you owe me an apology, and I said, I
Speaker 1: was actually wishing you luck when I said when I
Speaker 1: said good luck, what I was doing was wishing you
Speaker 1: luck because this is you know, we all know how
Speaker 1: crazy this business is. And I was I was wishing
Speaker 1: you luck. And uh, and I said, I I'm not
Speaker 1: going to apologize, and I have to get this. You
Speaker 1: have to get this day started. And so like I
Speaker 1: opened the door, as I remember, and the got our
Speaker 1: makeup done and then we spent the rest of the
Speaker 1: day on a fucking horse drawn carriage and it was fine.
Speaker 1: I guess she shook it off and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love horses ha ha, yeah, yeah, he's so out
Speaker 1: of control. It was just like I feel I I think,
Speaker 1: you know, a long time ago, but it's like what
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe was just like this is you are.
Speaker 1: You are in the middle of the most exciting time
Speaker 1: in your life, and yeah, that's what you're holding onto,
Speaker 1: you know, Well that's I mean, look, it says a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just goes to show, like
Speaker 1: and then it's so funny because I don't know, just
Speaker 1: like you think that with more fame or worth more
Speaker 1: money or whatever, like you're gonna like lose, like like
Speaker 1: you're not gonna still be you, you know, or like
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be these things that you that not you,
Speaker 1: that that those private little flaws or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just interesting. You never stop being you
Speaker 1: wherever you go. There you are. Of course, when you
Speaker 1: set a goal or when you're like when you have
Speaker 1: a dream in your mind, it is happening to a
Speaker 1: better you, oh you that is ready for it, and
Speaker 1: it isn't ever, it is happening to the you that
Speaker 1: is you are, you know what I mean? And down
Speaker 1: to like any kind of like, um, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go for a sunrise surf in Malibu.
Speaker 1: Great tomorrow. Me is gonna love that idea, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then like and then your alarm
Speaker 1: goes off and you're not You're yesterday. You know, You're
Speaker 1: the you that went to bed and you're gonna turn
Speaker 1: off your alarm and go right back to sleep. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure she's worked all that ship out, I
Speaker 1: will say this. Um. So we did that for the
Speaker 1: day and then and then there was there was a
Speaker 1: trl that was live and she was the guest and
Speaker 1: she performed in whatever, and I came back in and
Speaker 1: again back in the makeup room. Um, she was like,
Speaker 1: how many more people were outside to day than usual?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't, I don't know. What
Speaker 1: do you mean? I mean, like what percentage more people
Speaker 1: were out in Times Square then you would usually set there?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, like percentage of the people
Speaker 1: who were their head signs for me? You don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's my Christina Aguilera story. She would
Speaker 1: have been a great. Um, that's a fantastic story. First
Speaker 1: of all, we should say this is why David Holmes
Speaker 1: is like a true one of the best pop culture
Speaker 1: story tellers we have, which makes them a great journalist
Speaker 1: in that way as well. I'll call out a child.
Speaker 1: I am not afraid to put a child on blast
Speaker 1: their behavior when they were a child. I mean, going
Speaker 1: through the trauma of early fame. We're all complicit in
Speaker 1: this when when like if we think about Brittany, we
Speaker 1: were all like mistreating this child anyway, But whatever, have
Speaker 1: they re cut the Madonna Brittany Christina performance from the
Speaker 1: v M as like the original cutginal cut. Originally you
Speaker 1: didn't see Madonna kiss Christina because the camera was on
Speaker 1: just Justin. Now it's on him for like a split second,
Speaker 1: but you do catch the tail end of the kiss.
Speaker 1: I have to say this, I remember when I was
Speaker 1: that age watching it that what happened was, I feel
Speaker 1: so good. They kiss Madonna and Brittany cuts to Justin
Speaker 1: timber Lake with his okay face, and then it cuts
Speaker 1: back and you do for a split second Christina and
Speaker 1: Madonna kissing and they pull away. So I think that
Speaker 1: it was there. It just again was the media just
Speaker 1: didn't focus on that. The headline was Brittany kisses Madonna.
Speaker 1: Subheadline also Christina too. Yeah, totally. And Justin has to
Speaker 1: watch And anytime anytime this comes up on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I do have to share what Matt and I have
Speaker 1: a friend him Colin Cordopost from Collogeny always likes to
Speaker 1: remind us that the next day, Beyonce was reached out
Speaker 1: to for comment and she said that she was discussed.
Speaker 1: You're kidding. Yeah, I was disgusted, which I love. I
Speaker 1: love God, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 1: And Beyonce is Beyonce, But Beyonce back then would have
Speaker 1: you know, you know, took press and said, here's what
Speaker 1: I think disgusting. It was disgusting. What year was that? Even?
Speaker 1: Two three? It was it was long ago. I like
Speaker 1: this up it was two thousand and three. Yeah, um
Speaker 1: you know Rich jew act Yeah, yea. He posted a
Speaker 1: thing yesterday of of Madonna. It was like a Madam
Speaker 1: X event and and it's Access Hollywood is covering it
Speaker 1: and they're talking to one of her children. This is
Speaker 1: two years ago when when that album came recently? Then yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I saw this. Oh my god, I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: What happened? Well, it's so he's whatever, they're they're talking,
Speaker 1: and then Madonna enters, and of course the Access Hollywood
Speaker 1: person wants to talk to Madonna. So so they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: David is telling us how funny you are, and David goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying, do you remember that time when you
Speaker 1: asked us to get a sandwich bag and we came
Speaker 1: back with a giant zip block and you said, who
Speaker 1: eats a sandwich that big? And she just looks at
Speaker 1: him and goes, no, what are what are your thoughts on?
Speaker 1: Not a mass of me? You're trying to get out
Speaker 1: of this one who need the guess on the podcast? Yeah, okay, um,
Speaker 1: I am waiting for her to be Madonna. I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: I am waiting for her to say, you catch up
Speaker 1: to me, right? You know what I mean? You're exactly right,
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I feel like she's chasing something
Speaker 1: and that is never a good look for anyone, especially her.
Speaker 1: I think that the industry in the world have has
Speaker 1: been as cruel and judgmental and critical to her as
Speaker 1: any of these women that we've mentioned, and she has
Speaker 1: had always through the decades, has had the attitude of
Speaker 1: I'm unbothered, and then eventually I think she just got
Speaker 1: worn down and now she just seems like she just
Speaker 1: seems bothered and like she's she's trying to be something
Speaker 1: that maybe she thinks is going to be relevant or surprising.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you're right, she is instinctually intrinsically that.
Speaker 1: So you wish that she didn't get clouded by whatever
Speaker 1: she's clouded by, because she is the coolest bit. She
Speaker 1: is like Madonna. She is the only Madonna. But here's
Speaker 1: something something going on. My question for you is do
Speaker 1: you have like a moment you've been around or like
Speaker 1: a person that you've met at a time when dot
Speaker 1: dot dot that that sticks out to you and all
Speaker 1: your time like being around this stuff, Um, I do
Speaker 1: have uh my mind goes to a thing that um
Speaker 1: the random House legal department politely requested that I leave
Speaker 1: out of my book. But you can tell you, Mike,
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't. Okay, Okay, yeah, part no, it's bad.
Speaker 1: You get people, get people in trouble. Yeah, is your
Speaker 1: book out? Yeah? Oh my god, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I think you're okay, Oh my god. Um wait, but
Speaker 1: what about well then give us the second best you have,
Speaker 1: Like I need an addictote if you're not gonna give
Speaker 1: me the one? And what's the question again? Can you
Speaker 1: repeat the question? Is there like a moment like in
Speaker 1: music history or person that you've encountered in your experience
Speaker 1: being around this stuff and doing what you do that
Speaker 1: stands out to you where you're like, wow, looking back
Speaker 1: like that was cool? Like are looking back like that
Speaker 1: was different than anything I've experienced, or that person really
Speaker 1: impacted me in a way where it was like I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that there is a thing that happens when
Speaker 1: uh Tory Amos looks at you. I got to interview
Speaker 1: her once. Um I was I hosted a twenty minutes
Speaker 1: for like five minutes, and she was one of the
Speaker 1: people that I interviewed. And it was like the way
Speaker 1: when she looks at you, she is truly looking into you,
Speaker 1: like it is those giant eyes and she just fixes
Speaker 1: her whole attention on you in a way that most
Speaker 1: people do not. And um and I truly was just
Speaker 1: like I am I am being seen down deep into
Speaker 1: my soul. Wow. She had that X factor, that X factor,
Speaker 1: and and it was like some of these people are
Speaker 1: not like us, you know what I mean, Like some
Speaker 1: of these people are just sort of you know you
Speaker 1: see you see like someone come through and they got
Speaker 1: their publicists with him and they gonna makeup artist and
Speaker 1: all that, and there's just regular people doing their job
Speaker 1: like anybody else. But it was like, oh no, Torre
Speaker 1: Amos is actually uh like a mystical being. She is.
Speaker 1: She's like someone who's a beautiful person, a beautiful person. Um.
Speaker 1: Also similarly, Prince, so we we did um I mean
Speaker 1: obviously of course the greatest like musician of all time,
Speaker 1: but we uh we were gonna do uh like a
Speaker 1: special trl with him he had. He was premiering the
Speaker 1: video for I think the greatest Romance ever sold Um
Speaker 1: not one of his better songs, but whatever. Um. But
Speaker 1: he came to Okay, So like if the show was
Speaker 1: from three to four, the whole hour was like built
Speaker 1: around him. He was gonna be the only guest. Were
Speaker 1: just gonna play Prince videos. And he showed up at
Speaker 1: like right with a giant entourage, um, including one bodyguard
Speaker 1: holding onto um like the tub that cheese balls from
Speaker 1: Costco come in cheese balls, but full of dollar bills
Speaker 1: because it was the swear jar and if you took
Speaker 1: the lord's name and then you had to put in
Speaker 1: a dollar that was Prince's rule. That was Prince's rule.
Speaker 1: Is this is this like common knowledge that he had
Speaker 1: a swear jar with his entourage or was this somebody
Speaker 1: it was a Jehovah's witness that's right. Yeah. And but
Speaker 1: also Anna Lewis, my fellow VJ, was like in his
Speaker 1: entourage for the day. Was just sort of like hanging out.
Speaker 1: I guess they were friendly or whatever, but she was
Speaker 1: just like she's the best, She's super great. But she
Speaker 1: comes in like in a in like a sarape is
Speaker 1: that the how you pronounce it? Yea, like uh and
Speaker 1: uh And then like just sat cross legged on the
Speaker 1: ground and watched and it was like, this is like
Speaker 1: a sort of um earth Mother version of this person
Speaker 1: who I work with and that I've just never seen.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't know, I guess that's what
Speaker 1: Prince does to you whatever. So uh So Prince gets
Speaker 1: up on stage. Carson Daley is like, we were expecting
Speaker 1: you a little bit earlier, but we're glad you can
Speaker 1: make it. And Prince says, I don't use time, and okay,
Speaker 1: what do you use? And he says truth, and like,
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I love that. Like all of
Speaker 1: us were like, yeah, yeah, I don't use time. I
Speaker 1: used truths. Of course, that sounds like a Housewives tagline.
Speaker 1: That was Princess Housewives tagline. I don't use long enough
Speaker 1: to be a real housewife. I don't use time. I
Speaker 1: used truth. Was the is the person that that ram
Speaker 1: has told you not to talk about? Was it Beyonce? Was?
Speaker 1: Wasn't Beyonce? Um? I do remember the original recipe Destiny's Child? Yeah? Something,
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something? If I say the name
Speaker 1: of the restaurant that gave me food poisoning. Will you
Speaker 1: say your thing that random house asked you to take?
Speaker 1: What beautiful? Um, what a great quid broke quo. That
Speaker 1: really speaks to me. But no, I actually would get
Speaker 1: fine you and other people in trouble and you know
Speaker 1: what as okay, So that means the person was big, okay, jeez,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I'm gonna find I'm gonna find out later.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Someone huge, someone huge, someone who
Speaker 1: would become huge. It must it must okay, it must
Speaker 1: have been Demi Leva. It was not Demi Levanto. She
Speaker 1: was singing to a dinosaur back then. Problem truly, Barney
Speaker 1: for what was Selena? That's how they met. That's right,
Speaker 1: like you forget you forget these babies. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not keeping tabs on their relationship. They are not.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's great now,
Speaker 1: but um, but it was at one point. I wish
Speaker 1: them the best of luck, both of them, both of them.
Speaker 1: But watch your tone when you do it, because don't
Speaker 1: know that. Listen, this has been InCred We have to
Speaker 1: move on to I don't think so, honey, Oh my god, Bowen.
Speaker 1: Are you feeling ready for that? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: moment I am ready for I don't think so, I
Speaker 1: am too, and uh, I usually do go first. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you don't know what this is listening
Speaker 1: at home, this is a sixty second segment. We take
Speaker 1: two rants again, something in pop culture that you know
Speaker 1: it just deserves a ranting, and not to say like
Speaker 1: you know it deserved it, you know, but but this
Speaker 1: thing it did. Um. But when I'm ready to go,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so. Honey. Mess Hall the
Speaker 1: restaurant in Los Angeles were did you do it? I
Speaker 1: had to tell you something. We love mess Hall? Why
Speaker 1: did you do this? To me? Via my own daughter
Speaker 1: and Oyster? And I was so happy. You should have
Speaker 1: seen me at dinner. I was at dinner with Joel,
Speaker 1: Gretta and Study and I was so happy. I was like,
Speaker 1: what oyster dies you have? He was like East Coast.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, I was like which one. I
Speaker 1: was doing my whole thing. I was twirling. He said,
Speaker 1: we have the bar cats from Virginia. I was like, absolutely,
Speaker 1: bring him over and he there sat down in front
Speaker 1: of me. They were pretty good. I could never have known.
Speaker 1: I think what happened is a little piece of ice
Speaker 1: got on the oyster. You know how that happens sometimes.
Speaker 1: Any Way, I had seven days and seven nights of
Speaker 1: thunder in the words of Kimberly Lock and let me
Speaker 1: tell you, I have lost waters Rising. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. I'm so happy to end up
Speaker 1: giving giving props to one of the best pop songs,
Speaker 1: Capital B, Capital B Capital s of all time eight
Speaker 1: World water Locked, the second runner up on American Idol
Speaker 1: season two. But yes, it was mess Hall where I
Speaker 1: got my food poisoning. I'm sorry. I couldn't hold it
Speaker 1: in any longer. I've been confronted. I I really, I
Speaker 1: just and they are my favorite restaurant and wonderful. The
Speaker 1: very first night I got back, I was like, I'd
Speaker 1: like to go out to my favorite restaurant, mess Hall,
Speaker 1: and I went. And here's the thing. It's not their fault,
Speaker 1: you guys. Sometimes this is just the risk that we've
Speaker 1: run when we have oysters. And it happened to me,
Speaker 1: it could happen to you. I certainly don't want to
Speaker 1: be out here like harming the oyster community. But I
Speaker 1: just want to say, like, you've gotta be careful and
Speaker 1: understand that you can get a bacterial infection that that
Speaker 1: knocks you the f out t f girl. We're happy
Speaker 1: you're feeling better. It was like my blood hurt two
Speaker 1: days ago. I can't even explain it to you. Like
Speaker 1: I went to the after and I was like, Hi,
Speaker 1: what's happening, And he was like, okay, so you obviously
Speaker 1: have like a bacterial infection from the oysters because my
Speaker 1: COVID test came back negative. Um. But it was really
Speaker 1: it's been a wild week, and it was because I
Speaker 1: went to that establishment and I love them so much,
Speaker 1: but I had to say, wow, it's okay. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would do an oyster from mess Hall.
Speaker 1: I like it, but I always have to. They always
Speaker 1: have good ones. Matt Matt can't resist. I can't resist.
Speaker 1: I can never resist an oyster if he goes to
Speaker 1: a restaurant. Now, usually if they have them, I get them,
Speaker 1: Like and this is why I'm saying, it's equal opportunity.
Speaker 1: This could be anywhere you get your oysters, even like
Speaker 1: a seaflue restaurant, the House down. I ever place the
Speaker 1: luck of the draw, bad luck of the draw. It's
Speaker 1: it's a Russian roulette, shuck of the draws of the
Speaker 1: d West Coast luck. I never mind. I was going
Speaker 1: for something. I lost my way. I stooped so low
Speaker 1: to do you a pun, and I I'm ashamed. Sometimes
Speaker 1: puns are what people want to hear, though it's true,
Speaker 1: do you have an I don't think funny topic? I do.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to hear that. Bowen yang. This is
Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Live undried flowers? Why what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with you? When I receive you?
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be reminded of my own mortality as
Speaker 1: I watch you wither and die. Give me dried florals
Speaker 1: as I'm like I'm holding in my hand right now?
Speaker 1: The whole day is am I doing? I don't think
Speaker 1: so many live flowers? Because I couldn't think of a topic,
Speaker 1: and I literally looked to my right and saw dried florals.
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta don't go right now. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: own up to this. But this is actually something that
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm actually asking about you can just you
Speaker 1: can even say that I was inspired and on a
Speaker 1: real genuine inspiring moment that I need to I don't
Speaker 1: ever send me flowers. If you're listening to this and
Speaker 1: you have the earth florals, they better be dry from
Speaker 1: a website like a floral dot com. Wait, order all
Speaker 1: my dried florals. And this is We're not sponsored by them.
Speaker 1: This is just my go to dried floral place. I
Speaker 1: get to put them in a picture downstairs on my
Speaker 1: dining room table and I call it a day, and
Speaker 1: they they'll sit there for years and I'll be so
Speaker 1: happy with the way my apartment looks aesthetically florally whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't care about this. This the sense no no, no,
Speaker 1: no drying like this world. This is well over one minute.
Speaker 1: Hey anymore the theme song to everyone out there, you
Speaker 1: don't send flowers anymore? Side flowers. Uh no, that was
Speaker 1: not a star was born? That was That was a
Speaker 1: That was the Annie? That that which wait, that was Annie?
Speaker 1: You know what? You know what's an under rated Annie song?
Speaker 1: What let's go to the movies. Let's go to the movies.
Speaker 1: I remember watching that as a kid, in like the original,
Speaker 1: and like the it's not in the original, it's on
Speaker 1: the original, it's in it's in the first film adaptation.
Speaker 1: And I remember watching as a kid being like, this
Speaker 1: is the chicest thing I've ever seen. People. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's let's go a lot, let's go, let's all go
Speaker 1: to the lobby. Wishes it was let's go to the movies.
Speaker 1: It is the most wonderful glamorization of going to the
Speaker 1: cinema that I've ever that's ever been committed to film.
Speaker 1: I think everyone she did themselves the favor and watched
Speaker 1: Let's go to the movies. I mean, Annie, wait, I
Speaker 1: need to rewatch. I have not seen any in literal deck.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you will. The score will make you absolutely cry.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw their Broadway revival with Jane Lynch,
Speaker 1: which was pretty good. Um, and Jane played Annie. Um
Speaker 1: she was missing again. She was obviously great. Um. But
Speaker 1: it really is one of those classic little musicals where
Speaker 1: here you hear just I mean, tomorrow is such a
Speaker 1: good song. But I'm telling you maybe has Ma n
Speaker 1: y c oh and you know what, Like that was
Speaker 1: the first show that I was like, wait, they do
Speaker 1: a song. That's just the songs that you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: at the beginning before anything starts. Incredible. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: was wowed by that ship. You need an overture. When
Speaker 1: I saw a Funny Girl on the West End in London,
Speaker 1: they do a full overture and it's like it was
Speaker 1: it was the whole score and was forever and the
Speaker 1: movie doesn't too. If you put on the barber strikes
Speaker 1: in Funny Girl from sixty eight, like the first few
Speaker 1: minutes is an overture and you're like, oh, I'm at
Speaker 1: the theater. Wow, have you seen um? Okay? So you
Speaker 1: know how they did the real Live Brady Bunch in
Speaker 1: Chicago in the early nineties. It is low key probably
Speaker 1: one of the most important moments in our culture ever.
Speaker 1: It was very early, you know, it was it was
Speaker 1: now Joey Soloway faith and Joey Soloway um and uh
Speaker 1: and they just like they got all their you know,
Speaker 1: weirdo sketching improv friends together and just did old Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch script right and they like turned them up the
Speaker 1: tiniest bit. Um. But it's like it was the first
Speaker 1: thing where it was like, um, like it was cool
Speaker 1: to remember to like know a Brady Bunch episode by heart,
Speaker 1: Like it was a little little dubious to have that
Speaker 1: kind of power and knowledge before then, but like this
Speaker 1: kicked off that like weird retro thing. Um, but uh,
Speaker 1: Carol Brady was Jane Lynch, Andy Richter was Mike Brady.
Speaker 1: H Melanie Huttle played Jan Brady and then went on
Speaker 1: to Saturday Night Live where she did that character on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. But um, you can find it on
Speaker 1: YouTube real life Brady Bunch watch it. Um. The moment
Speaker 1: that Melanie Huttle walks out as Jan Brady is like
Speaker 1: it is the arrival of a superstar, like we had
Speaker 1: like just her look, like the crowd registers her look
Speaker 1: for two minutes and then she's just like hi, and
Speaker 1: like people fucking like beach balls are bouncing around the house,
Speaker 1: people on people's shoulders. It's just it's like a celebration
Speaker 1: the likes of which you have. Jan is one of
Speaker 1: the great comedy characters. If you can if you can
Speaker 1: do Jam, it's like if you can sing, if you
Speaker 1: can sing Alpha, but you can sing anything. If you
Speaker 1: can perform comedy as Jan, you can perform comedy as
Speaker 1: any old character in the West. But we didn't know that.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that. We weren't. We took her essentially,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that kicks off. Didn't notice the
Speaker 1: essential problem we we Didn'tice didn't notice, We didn't notice
Speaker 1: that's her deal. Wow, well, Matt, I would say, this
Speaker 1: is a really really beautifully rich little piece of junket cake.
Speaker 1: Well we have we have still have dave homes as
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, darling, I'm so sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: all over the place. Can you tell im so stressed? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry when it gets laid.
Speaker 1: But you know, but it's like there's there's a little something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's an essential quality that is missing. When I tell
Speaker 1: them to move my guts around, I don't mean my brain,
Speaker 1: um let move my guts around. See, people lose me
Speaker 1: with the guts. People say that I would Yeah, people
Speaker 1: say that, and I go, oh, that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be watching a perfectly good porno and like
Speaker 1: the bottom will say something like, yeah, flood my guts,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't want to kink,
Speaker 1: shame whatever. But like the talking about guts is never
Speaker 1: gonna know no, nope, no can contaminate my limb. Awful.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm with you, guys, it's disgusted. My limb
Speaker 1: is that man? No, man, here we go. This is
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna go right into your I don't
Speaker 1: think so you read Okay, Yeah, I'm sorry, guys. Stop,
Speaker 1: this is this is Dave Holmes is. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: People who spell the word y'all, why a apostrophe l L? Where?
Speaker 1: How do you get by in the world? Person who
Speaker 1: does this? What is what? Yeah? Let us talk about
Speaker 1: Let's let me take you back to let's say third grade,
Speaker 1: how we learn about our friend the apostrophe and what
Speaker 1: she does. She takes the place of the letters, the syllables,
Speaker 1: the sounds that are taking a break. She steps in.
Speaker 1: She wants to remind you they're they're they're they're not gone,
Speaker 1: they're just taking a break. Y'all is you and all?
Speaker 1: It's not yea and it's not yo. Similarly, people who
Speaker 1: my dog's furious about it, people who say text as
Speaker 1: the past tense of texted, like I text you the
Speaker 1: other day, are you a friend who does that, and
Speaker 1: I hope he's not listening because it drives me fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: She texted me yesterday, you are not tonto stop this.
Speaker 1: That's one minute. This is the thing people also need
Speaker 1: to stop. I completely agree with you. People need to
Speaker 1: stop putting a space after an apostrophe. If it's just
Speaker 1: a contraction of of two, What are you doing? What
Speaker 1: are you? Why do you know? It would be the
Speaker 1: worst text ever to get after a threesome? The person
Speaker 1: that everyone says, y'all flood of my guts? Yell, why
Speaker 1: a apostrophe? Y'all y'all, y'all all flooded my gut. Hope
Speaker 1: it's okay that I that I just text you. It's like,
Speaker 1: what is that? What is it? How is it spelled
Speaker 1: in your head? When you when you say that like
Speaker 1: text as pests? What is that imagining? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it from now on because I
Speaker 1: do not wrong way? Are you? Have you seen not
Speaker 1: wrong way? Now that you're back in California? What is that? Okay?
Speaker 1: It's on the highway signs California. It says, uh, don't
Speaker 1: drive drunk, not wrong way, or drive sober? Not wrong way,
Speaker 1: don't ruin lives. What does that mean? I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to say, don't drive the wrong way. But that's
Speaker 1: but if you were driving the wrong way, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to see it because it's on the it's
Speaker 1: on the front of this, so it's too distracting for
Speaker 1: the road. Not wrong way. It's like, what what relationship
Speaker 1: is this me? I think it's just it's the wrong
Speaker 1: way to do things. It's to drive drunk, So don't
Speaker 1: do that because it's the wrong way. That's the way
Speaker 1: that I don't know, but it's it's very bad. And
Speaker 1: then they just did a rewrite of it, but they
Speaker 1: kept them not wrong way. You get on that one
Speaker 1: on one you'll see. Don't you hate it when they
Speaker 1: make an edit on something a piece of writing, and
Speaker 1: then you go, that was the wrong trim the whole time,
Speaker 1: the whole time, the wrong trim the whole time, wrong
Speaker 1: tim the whole time. Well, this felt like the right
Speaker 1: episode for the right time. Okay, Um, this was so
Speaker 1: I mean truly an honor to have you on. We've
Speaker 1: wanted to for so long. You've been kind enough to
Speaker 1: have us on. Homophilia A bone has not been not
Speaker 1: wrong way. I thought that was not wrong way. I
Speaker 1: thought that was on the ones we did together. But
Speaker 1: I guess not. We have to fix you're I know
Speaker 1: you're about to be very busy. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: I came on myself and then I came on with Dave.
Speaker 1: So you gotta get on there. I would love to.
Speaker 1: We will work around your busy sketch and Mat what
Speaker 1: what what a true A great many He is just
Speaker 1: the best and always looking good, always looking good, always
Speaker 1: looking good. Yeah, wonderful man, very handsome. You want to talk.
Speaker 1: It was much like uh Andy Cohen calling you out.
Speaker 1: Here's a little behind the scenes dish um. I we
Speaker 1: had Andrew Scott on Sexy Fleaback. He was a friendly
Speaker 1: and we left him. And Andrew Scott said, always quite beautiful,
Speaker 1: isn't he about? It was like about Matt. I was like, wow, Mat.
Speaker 1: But a priest said it. A priest said it if hot,
Speaker 1: priest said it was just if Andrew said anything to anyone,
Speaker 1: they are obligated. Yeah, have sex more of that, get
Speaker 1: their guts moved around. Oh no, I'm sorry, but you
Speaker 1: know it's something our community has to grapple with. The
Speaker 1: fact that we say guts moved around like I just
Speaker 1: don't know who it's turning on. It's guts. Yeah, gut
Speaker 1: feels like not a gay term either. No, no, do
Speaker 1: you have it? Remember that show Guts? I remember that
Speaker 1: there was a show guts. Oh bo when you you
Speaker 1: might not know guts. I don't know. It's it's Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: kids culture. So did not have cable at the time,
Speaker 1: but so much to explore. Um in the future. Then listen,
Speaker 1: Dave Holmes, tell us, tell the audience, the readers, the
Speaker 1: publicists where they can find you and enjoy you. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Dave Homes also Instagram. Instagram is
Speaker 1: a little better. Um oh, I have a show coming
Speaker 1: out October twelve called Waiting for Impact Dave homes Passion Project,
Speaker 1: an episode investigative podcast at the disappearance of a boy
Speaker 1: band called Sudden Impact who were featuring to mend Video
Speaker 1: Motown Philly and then never heard from again. Do we
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it by the end of
Speaker 1: the ten f do we ever? Oh, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for not doing one of those sham investigative podcasts
Speaker 1: that just ended an open in an open question. The
Speaker 1: whole problem with unsolved mysteries the show. They're never solved.
Speaker 1: It's the essential problem of unsolved mysteries. We don't notice,
Speaker 1: we don't solve. Truly, we don't solve. That's the central problem. Well,
Speaker 1: we can't wait, I can't want to. Please listen to
Speaker 1: October twelve. October twelve on the exactly right network, on
Speaker 1: the exactly right network. Oh but listen until then. You
Speaker 1: have this episode to get it again and keep you
Speaker 1: tided over. Boon and Yang. We are supposed to finish
Speaker 1: every episode with a song. Oh when are the awards?
Speaker 1: You guys, we don't know, we don't know. You cannot
Speaker 1: answer that question. I'm very excited for them, thank you. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: I just because I need to pick out enough. Sure,
Speaker 1: sure to watch. You'll have to send on the presenters day?
Speaker 1: Would you? Would you present? Would just would you send
Speaker 1: in a little recording voice recording? Absolutely, you'll be presenting.
Speaker 1: You'll be presenting, um officially our first presenter for the awards.
Speaker 1: That's announced. Exciting. That's the whole episode, is us announcing
Speaker 1: the presenters. Oh wow, it may bring Madeline, I mean
Speaker 1: pleaseerfect of course, do a fun little physical comedy bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll be great, that'll be great. We're like, hey,
Speaker 1: where's the que card? Yeah yeah, yeah, classic, the classic
Speaker 1: where's the cue card bit. But in the meantime, um
Speaker 1: I would like to sing a song by an artist
Speaker 1: who demanded an apology of Dave Holmes. Her name is Christina.
Speaker 1: What a Girl? One, what a girl? Whatever names you
Speaker 1: happen said, you free think, you finds your fines.