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Speaker 1: the big like I wouldn't be like a proper good

425
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: radio JA because I know it's not in me to

426
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: be like yeah yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, anyway, thank you.

427
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: That's lovely. It's lovely. That is like liberating self awareness

428
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: to know yourself back then, which I don't do you

429
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: think it's harder to know yourself now than it isn't

430
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: like the late nineties. I can't tell. I'm like if

431
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: I had grown up like just like ten years if

432
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: I if I was just born ten years earlier, would

433
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: I have been more anchored to stuff or would I

434
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,239
Speaker 1: have been like less available with my resource? Like what

435
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: what would I have been like less in touch with

436
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: like things that I know? Like okay, this is what's

437
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: like does that make sense. I'm speaking in abstraction. I

438
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I mean, I feel like

439
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: the answer is obvious, which is probably we all would

440
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: have been more of an individual I think ten fift

441
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago when there wasn't any social media or

442
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: two at all times. And you know what I mean, Like,

443
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: how different do you think it would be for someone

444
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: now being like a representative to to all of the

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: youth with social media? Probably so much different? Yeah, I don't,

446
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I am so glad that I

447
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: was there before YouTube, before social media. What we had

448
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: was I mean, first of all, like you know, we

449
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: messed things up left, right and center, and that was

450
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of part of the appeal and whatever it was.

451
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, it was live and it was fun and

452
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah. Um, but like to make a mistake

453
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: and have it like stay with you forever be so

454
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: unbelievably awful. Um. And also like we had when I

455
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: started there, all we had I don't even know if

456
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: there was a proper MTV dot calm, but there was

457
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: like a there was a channel on a O L

458
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 1: and that channel had like message boards and once early

459
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: I was like, um, and and each of us each

460
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: of the on air people have their own older or whatever,

461
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: and uh and I went and I looked at mine,

462
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, no, no, this is not

463
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: this is not for me to see at all, because

464
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: it's all you know, at that time, anyone using a

465
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: computer to go online was like a grounded fourteen year

466
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: old girl, right who And there's no one meaner on

467
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: the planet than a grounded fourteen year old girl on

468
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: her dad's computer on a dial up connection. Um. So yeah,

469
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: so I got to yeah, thank god there was none

470
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. But I do like I

471
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: wonder what I would what kind of person I would

472
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: be if I were, you know, fifteen years younger and

473
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: didn't grow up feeling like the only person like me

474
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: on the planet like it was. There was a lot

475
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: about that that was really terrible, obviously, um, but there

476
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: was also a lot about that was really good, like

477
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: instilled to drive within me to like prove myself and

478
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: and succeed and be heard and all that. And I

479
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: might not have that. If I found my tribe at

480
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: I might be a very specific kind of monster. You know. Yeah,

481
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad that is interesting. Yeah, I think about that often.

482
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: I think about like, um, like if I were if

483
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: would I would I try as hard and work as

484
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: hard and like try to put myself out there as much,

485
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: improve so much if I didn't feel like there was

486
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: like a large part of my upbringing where I just

487
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: couldn't see myself represented ever, and so I wanted to

488
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: work to become that. And now it's like you look

489
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: around and that's like really not true anymore at all.

490
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: And like you, I often think, like why the like

491
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: basic way I phrase it. Sometimes it's like what if

492
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: I were straight, would I'd be a fucking monster? But

493
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: like I do think about that, like you know, like

494
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: and like you're grateful for the adversity or whatever it is,

495
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: but still it had to be hard. Forgive me if

496
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: this is too much. But did you remain closeted the

497
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: entire time I was out? But not on the air?

498
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: But not on the air, That's what I guess, which

499
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: is yeah, which is like I look back and I'm

500
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: like what what? What? What makes total sense to me? Now?

501
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean it does to me too, but

502
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make it any less disappointing, you know

503
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I I do understand you know

504
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: that I was like not trying to rock the boat

505
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: and that and that there was no you know, blogs

506
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: and social media and ways to like continue sort of

507
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: doing your thing when the show ends, and it's you

508
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: know whatever you have to like wrangle the press into it.

509
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: And the press doesn't give they don't care. They you know,

510
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: they're like they don't care who I am or I'm

511
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: not having you know what I mean. It's like I'm

512
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: not I'm not interesting in that way, so whatever, I

513
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: at it. But it's like, you know, I look back

514
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, we were promoting the hell out

515
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: of eminem who said the F word and I and

516
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: it like never entered my mind not to participate in

517
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: it or to speak up in any way at all,

518
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: which is nuts. But anyway, I was out and I

519
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: was out of my private life. It's just that you know, yeah,

520
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: nobody cared enough to make it public and I didn't,

521
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't do the thing. I didn't say

522
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the words, you know, right, whether or not it's public.

523
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: I just feel like this is something that um, I

524
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: just I've just parroted this line ever since Beauty Wah

525
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: was was on this podcast. He was talking about Asian

526
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: people working in show biz. But I think that just

527
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: applies in a very general way to people who like

528
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: there was just no process probably for you to like

529
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: make it, or for anybody to to to have like

530
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: coming out and feeling good and safe about it publicly

531
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: to be an inevitable inevitability. Like now it just is

532
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: inevitable if you are queer, if you are sort of

533
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: like self defining in that way. Like it's hopefully people

534
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: feel somewhat comfortable with that or it's not. It doesn't

535
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: feel like this high risk thing in the way that

536
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: it used to be. But like I mean, I mean, yeah,

537
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as you brought up eminem, I'm like, oh,

538
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: of course, like that, that would completely discourage anyone who

539
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: worked at MTV to want to like publicly say, by

540
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: the way, I'm gay. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was they.

541
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I remember I remember this. I remember on say What Karaoke,

542
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: somebody did it like a Brittany or Christina or something,

543
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: and the navel was out and all that and whatever,

544
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: and I said, I said something like, uh, you know,

545
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: the straight boys are gonna love this or whatever, and

546
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: my and my producer in my ear was like, let's

547
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: take that again, I said why because basically, yeah, she

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: was like, you said, all the straight guys, just say

549
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: all the guys, and I was like, okay, and I did,

550
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: and I don't you know, I could have dug my

551
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: heels in and I didn't. Yeah, that's okay, that's weird.

552
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's not weird. I'm looking I'm

553
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: looking at with you know, filter on it, you know

554
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, of course things were not then

555
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: the way they are now, and sometimes I think I

556
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: think with time we forget what it was like at

557
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: that time. But it was suffocating and it was also

558
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: not something because at that time, if you had been

559
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: an MTVVJ, which you were, and m Eminem is the

560
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: most played artist and most pushed artists, I mean, there

561
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: was a time where he truly ruled the channel. I

562
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: mean think I'll remember it. And you were to say

563
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: you're gay, it's almost like you're speaking out against him,

564
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he was so he

565
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: made such a part of his thing that he was homophobic,

566
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: that anyone gay like is naturally at odds with him

567
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and therefore like you know, an enemy of his and

568
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: critical of him, and that is a dangerous game to

569
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: start playing when you need to be the one of

570
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: the faces of the channel and then you're at odds

571
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: with your place of work. Right, yeah, it's nothing but trouble.

572
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, but so yeah, I mean I was, you know,

573
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: I was like out and you know, bringing boyfriends to

574
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: events and stuff. It just didn't quite register. A different time,

575
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: a different time, a different era. Oh there's that new

576
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Oyster place. You're never going to get it out of me.

577
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happens. Found Oyster was found Oyster.

578
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't found Oyster. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you,

579
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you after. But the thing is, like

580
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: I have to be able to go back there again,

581
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: and I just I don't want them to struggle, like

582
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: especially during this time of COVID. I can't be telling

583
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: that to a restaurant. I can't restaurant. I just can't.

584
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's holding on by their fingertips. I'm excited for their

585
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: show where they saw an alien? Did you guys see that?

586
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: There's a Demi Leavitto show on Peacock where they saw

587
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: an alien. It's a documentary, it's a reality show. It's

588
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: what is it called but there it's literally coming out.

589
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: We love here. I just think there's a lot of

590
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot happening right now with them, and it's interesting.

591
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: It's an announced week. It feels like yeah, or like

592
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: a new project. And which is not to say that

593
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: all of like their life experiences in the last few

594
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: years have been like you know, sort of like press release,

595
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: but you know, but like I like, I've been asked

596
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: three separate times to be like on a YouTube show

597
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: of their's on a different YouTube show in the last

598
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I would say six months, and I'm like, wait, I

599
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: can't keep up with like how many things. Levado is

600
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: like starting what are you Jojo? See one now? And

601
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: this is by the way, JoJo's absolutely stomping it out

602
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: on Dumping with the stars with it is. It's lovely

603
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: to to watch. So this is just this came out

604
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: three hours ago. On page six. Demi Levado believe something

605
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: is out there. The twenty nine year old pop star

606
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: claims they once had a close encounter with extraterrestrial beings

607
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: in Joshua Tree, California. A k that got really high

608
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you did, and the out of this world experience was

609
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: mind plowing. Quote, we went out into the desert and

610
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Joshua Tree, and I basically saw this blue orb that

611
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: was about fifty feet away, maybe less, and it was

612
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of like floating above the ground, just like ten

613
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: or fifteen feet and it was kind of keeping its

614
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: distance from me. It was a beautiful and incredible experience.

615
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: And this anecdote came while they were promoting their new

616
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Peacock series Unidentified with Demi Levado, in which they attempt

617
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: to uncover the truth about UFO phenomena alongside sister Dallas

618
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Levado and best friend who we actually love and shout out,

619
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Matthew's got Montgomery, so he's on the show. But this

620
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: is a real thing, Demi. Demi believes they saw an

621
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: alien and Joshua. I also don't want to insanuate that

622
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: they were high, because they're famously sober. What I mean

623
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: is of things when you're sober, that is true. But

624
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot of things go down in Joshua Tree and

625
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily aliens. That's all I have to say

626
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: that is that those elegantly said it was beautifully said.

627
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: You did not, Demi Levado, Demi Levado, just there, no right,

628
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I did I Demi Levado, Demi Levado. But a second

629
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: ago where I was like, not everything is a press release,

630
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I I take back what I said. I just feel

631
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: like there's just a lot of out there. There's just

632
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of output. But I mean, Matt

633
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and I have constant check ins being like, wait, dummy,

634
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: Demi Levado is the one. Demi Levado so constantly proves

635
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: themselves to be the one that it constantly provokes a conversation,

636
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: and this article says Demi. Levado went on to say,

637
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I love that halfway through the article they're still they're

638
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: not saying Demi, They're saying Demi. Levados went on to

639
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: say that their encounter changed the way they see the world.

640
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: You have an inkling and then all of a sudden

641
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: that inkling is confirmed, the singer explained, It changes your

642
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: reality for sure. Oh wow, beautiful, unexplained, speaking of people

643
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: in the conversation, Well, we just we just I mean,

644
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: we just Matt and I just want to know what

645
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: Dave you think of the latest in the Britney Spears saga.

646
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: I have not yet seen the new documentary watched Okay,

647
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: what can you tell us? Basically, all the colors in

648
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: is the fact that this surveill it really like um

649
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: sort of focuses on the surveillance aspect of her conservatorship,

650
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: where basically it's revealed that she was basically never alone.

651
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: She was followed constantly. All of her conversations were monitored,

652
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: and if she was going to have a conversation or

653
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: an interaction with someone and had to be scheduled and

654
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: all of those were monitored. Basically she was watched one

655
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: percent of the time, like people protected. Yeah, like over yes,

656
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: maybe honestly she was. That was a little bit now,

657
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: that was before. But maybe it was a premonition that

658
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: she had was a premonition and unexplained. But that's really

659
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: what the documentary says is on top of everything you saw,

660
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: the surveillance, which was not covered in the documentary, um

661
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: as intently as everything else was really out of control. Yeah, okay,

662
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I you know, UM, obviously I'm pleased that Brittany seems

663
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: to be on her way to being freed. Does seem

664
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: to be happening curiously quickly, though it seems like everything

665
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: was moving very slowly for a very long time, and

666
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was if like Jamie Spears,

667
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: it's just senses that the public tide has turned or whatever,

668
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: or if that's even meaningful to him, or if there

669
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: is something sneaky going on where it's just like you

670
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: don't want it, great, we're taking it away. And then

671
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: the first, like the moment she does something publicly kind

672
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: of questionable or whatever, it'll be like see, you know

673
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: what I mean, interesting? Interesting? You know, to that end,

674
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: I don't because I don't. I don't think anyone's gonna

675
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: leave her alone. When she is able to like move

676
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: about freely, that's that's gonna be. Like the last truly

677
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: valuable paparazzi shot is her like out in the room,

678
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which sucks talk about like

679
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: looking back at from one like those things and the

680
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Woods Dot nine and and all that. It's like that

681
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: world which is like, you know, the world that I

682
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: was young in is like disgusting, disgusting, Like the way

683
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: that we spoke to her was disgusting. The you know,

684
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: the guy from the Offspring coming out and bludgeoning uh

685
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: the Backstreet Boys in effigy on stage in front of

686
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people is like that's discussed and

687
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: that ship is all tons better than the stuff that

688
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: I was a teenager during that, Like you know, all

689
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: of the every teen comedy in the eighties is like

690
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: ends with a crowd pleasing sexual assault, you know, like

691
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: that's it's just it's it's just wild to look back

692
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: at it now, and I can't help but feel a

693
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: little a little disgusting. Yeah, but sure, has it gotten

694
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: any better? I mean I feel like that just sounds

695
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: like like like I don't know, like attacking something in

696
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: effigy feels very now to I don't know. I can't

697
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: think of an example that's I don't know. I just

698
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying bout and I think I

699
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: often think that that that stuff happens privately now, and

700
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: it happens in like channels that we don't see, because again,

701
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: it happens on social media, and it happens so intensely

702
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: and so so severely that like we almost like it's

703
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: it is happening. It's just because it's like that mob

704
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: mentality of like that sort of fanatical like following of

705
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: someone that's famous, like that, all that all that energy

706
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: gets funneled into online now and so now it's like

707
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: it's even scarier in a way because it can live

708
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: in a private place where only the attacked can see

709
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: it oftentimes, or like it happens in a way where

710
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: only the attacked understands the volume with which it's coming

711
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: at them. So that's I think what makes it so

712
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: intense now. But I don't think it went away. I

713
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that you I think, and I agree

714
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: with you, that that would be that that getting that

715
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: PAPARAZZII shot of Brittany post freedom would be like the

716
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: last valuable paparazzi photo, which makes me think, wow, has

717
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: anything fundamentally changed. She's still as vulnerable as she was,

718
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago or however long ago. And

719
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, obviously it's a better circumstance for

720
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: her not to be in this conservatorship. That's something that

721
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: everybody agrees. And I think and I feel like politically,

722
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it even that it's so obvious

723
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: that it's like, who would you be if not a contrarian?

724
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: If you were like, I actually think she should stay

725
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: in the conservatorship. But I'm just saying, like the last

726
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: valuable paparazzi photo would be of Brittany out in the

727
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: wild and people would be like, wow, look she means yeah.

728
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: So that's interesting that you are a little suspicious of

729
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: at the pace of the yeah. And what's god, what's

730
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: worse is like, you know, the paparazzi industry or whatever.

731
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: It's probably not what it once was. You don't see

732
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: them as often, um, but now everybody has a phone

733
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: in their camera and there are enough shitty people who

734
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, there she is, I'll get the

735
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: shot or whatever, um we get Like I live in

736
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Studio City in l A. And like the paparazzi show

737
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: up to the farmer's market to get a shot of

738
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: like John Cryer picking out an eggplant or you know,

739
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: like the good stuff, the good stuff. It's just wild.

740
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Like what they will still hide out and hang out

741
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: to get very sure but in like a gym want

742
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: age or whatever comes after. It's like, I mean, who

743
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: do at this point, I have been desensitized full and

744
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't care whoever, Like I don't care

745
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: who it is, it's all, it's all just don't know.

746
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: I have had to um followed so many times, like

747
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: I keep out of curiosity following again and then I

748
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: then I just feel my stress level elevate. I feel

749
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: my like I am half of the people. I don't

750
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: know who they are. It drives me nuts that everyone's

751
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: like a non please, it's like no one, they never

752
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: use your name, that you can go ahead and just

753
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: that can be silent. Now, Yeah, I'm currently not following Yes, yes, uh,

754
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: neither am I I don't know about I am following them,

755
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: but I just I just think it's like I'm not like,

756
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel the needs like defend why

757
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm following them, but I don't have to. Um, it's

758
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: just for me. Sometimes I'm fascinated by who they're featuring. Um.

759
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Other times I'm just like, there is and look, I

760
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: was just copped to this. There is a little part

761
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: of me that is that that little gay boy that

762
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: was raised in the nineties and the early two thousands,

763
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: who very much wanted to not be in my circumstance,

764
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: who looked up to people that were famous for better

765
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: or worse, and um wanted to be part of that

766
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: world and was susceptible to that type of culture. And

767
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I think that I'm not alone there. And I think

768
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: that if we're actually like gonna be honest about it.

769
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: A lot of us like who came of age during

770
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: the time that is being sort of reexamined now so

771
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: much it feels like the media can't stop with four

772
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: women in particular, Britney Spears, Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana, and

773
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. Now, these were all women who ended up

774
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: in tragic circumstances that were at the height of their

775
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: fame during the most vicious time in American media history,

776
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: and I think that like part of I think my

777
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: fascination now, and I think everyone's fascination with that time

778
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: is because we can't believe our own complicity and because

779
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: we can't believe our own um ability to be owned

780
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: by the celebrity tabloid culture as much as we were,

781
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: because it really was mainstream entertainment. And so I think that,

782
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: like when I watched like any pieces of media on

783
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: them now, it's just there's a little element of it

784
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: which I think is funny, which is everyone being like

785
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: and can't you believe how horrible this was, And it's like, no,

786
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: we should all believe it because we were all fed

787
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: it and we all participated in it. So it's not

788
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: this thing where we like shake our finger and sneer

789
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: at whatever one entity like Jamie Spears or like whoever

790
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: it is, Like you know that that we're focusing on

791
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: is the villain or any of these pieces. We have

792
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: to look inward too, and how are we going to

793
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: change our behavior in going forward? And so like you know,

794
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it ends in me on following Dumois

795
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: and that's the way I do better. But you know,

796
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: we're all no one's perfect in this is this is

797
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: this the subtext behind American crime story Impeachment, which Matt

798
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: is watching very closely. I am watching, you know, I

799
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: am watching it. Um, I h it's it's definitely interesting.

800
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that it's taking obviously extremely sympathetic

801
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: um angle towards Monica, and I think that that is

802
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: both um in line with the times and also like

803
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: due to her involvement and as a producer. And I

804
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: think it's pretty honest in terms of like how it happened.

805
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, he abused his power against her and she

806
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: was a vulnerable kid, and it ended up much worse

807
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: for her than it did for him. And I'm reminded

808
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: of you know, Bone and I going to Radio City

809
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: musical to see Tony Bennett and Lady got a few

810
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: months ago and he walked in the room and you

811
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: got a standing ovation from everyone in there, and I'm like,

812
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, like not to say this everyone not everyone, um,

813
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, oh, I'm a

814
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: little bit for sitting down for stings. I just didn't

815
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't need my my classic like and

816
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: I also feel like, you know, not to say that.

817
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: The the the miniseries is you know, a work of

818
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: like nonfiction down Obviously it's leaning into some stuff, but

819
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's not worthy of applause. The guy exactly

820
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: the lean cuisine of it. All tons of lean cuisines

821
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: and not a lean cuisine work. And that also makes

822
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: you see yourself because that's another thing like if I

823
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: would if I was if this was me in the

824
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: nineties right now, I'd be lean cuisine in lane pocketing.

825
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: I was lane pocketing well into the early teensies. Wow,

826
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: at best, boy, I can't said earlier. And I can't

827
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: believe that has that didn't catch on is like, uh,

828
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, like tar or whatever. I can we really

829
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: were you want to know what? I just think it's

830
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: because people probably just loved Best Buy too much already,

831
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's probably the best by

832
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: It's just too true. It's probably true, it's probably yeah,

833
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: um yeah, I'm enjoying it and um impeachment and and

834
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm everyone is very I'm curious as to how Hillary

835
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: will be handled. That's that's another thing, is they're really

836
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: dangling the Hillary carrot bow. Yes, yes, falco right right, right,

837
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: right right. So you know, the Hillary episode is going

838
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: to be magnificent, but there's gonna be a there's gonna

839
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: be a basically, there's gonna be a Carmelo soprano like

840
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: meltdown moment, and we are going to witness it, and

841
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: we are going to live out Hillary dressing down Bill

842
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: like like anyone would want to that that watched that

843
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: unfold all those years ago, you know. But also it's

844
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: just like again and Hillary is another one of them

845
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: where it's just like we keep fixating on these women

846
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's because we can't deal with

847
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: the fact that we've like treated them so badly and

848
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: like the world has been so misogynist in terms of

849
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: how we know them, you know what I mean, It's

850
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: really interesting. Oh but I congratulations, thank you on what

851
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: today's promotion day. Yes, but like we said, just it's

852
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: just it's it's mostly just ceremonial and that's great. I've

853
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: always been curious about this. How do you feel the

854
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: like right when you're about to start up Uh. To

855
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: be totally honest, I feel very nervous. I'm just I

856
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: I felt like I had a nice solid week after

857
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: wrapping this movie that Matt and I did with Joe

858
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: and Booster again, congratulations, thank you. Between that and starting

859
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: up work again this week, I had a nice week

860
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: of just like pure stillness and bliss and it was

861
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: like it was something that I was craving all summer.

862
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: And then now, I mean we went back into thirty

863
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: rock today was to get tested and then I ran

864
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: into some people and I mean saw like a lot

865
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: of like like crew guys, and I was like, oh wait,

866
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: this is nice, Like it was just nice to be like, hey, like,

867
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: how is your summer? You look great like all these things. Um,

868
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: But then it was it's it's just been in the

869
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: saying out loud things that I would only say when

870
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: the season is on, Like yeah, anyway, I just got

871
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: this idea Neodling around and um, you know, let let

872
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: it like, um, let's work on something like just like

873
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: like little micro expressions. I can't think of too many

874
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: right now, but like but now, like those are for

875
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, triggering, and I'm like, oh, okay,

876
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, like thematically, I'm like back in this like

877
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: place of being like, oh this is uncomfortable or this

878
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: is nerves, this is nerve wracking. But uh talking to

879
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of other people and they're just like and

880
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: I think I think eight Brian in particular is just like,

881
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: let's just like let's just try to like healthily detached

882
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: as much as possible, which I think is the way

883
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah. I'm just always like, are you preparing

884
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: your body for sure? Is I did him? I didn't?

885
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: What does that mean nothing? What does that mean? Bowen

886
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: got laid a bunch last week? Right? Stop? Stop ready.

887
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: That's not preparation sexual preparation. It's getting your body absolutely

888
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: taken care of for the moment where you step on

889
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: stage or hun of millions and everyone watching at home

890
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: said he has sex. There is a glow. I wondered

891
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: if it was a ring light he came on this,

892
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: whether he was wearing no glasses. I was like, are

893
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: we doing no glasses? Absolute bowen yang face to face

894
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: and he said, let me put them on. I was like,

895
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: but you look stunning, And it's because he has the glow.

896
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: He got that glow. The only preparation aspect of that

897
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: is that it's like, well, I'm know, I'm not gonna

898
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have sex when the show is like,

899
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: it's just I will be too stressed out for the

900
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: next eight months, which is fine. I don't know. I

901
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: don't know. It's um and my my, my, my body.

902
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: I did a meditation yesterday. I don't know if it helps.

903
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just me like beating the tied

904
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: back and there's like a title wave coming. But it's

905
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, It's gonna ask something, thank you. Oh.

906
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: Is it very interesting to us that like the four

907
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: women that Matt named off Diana, Whitney, Brittany and said

908
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: miss Monica, like that they are from like a similar

909
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: time period and that we're still fixated on them. Is

910
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: it that there's been this like twenty year cycle or

911
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: twenty years sort of like m hmm, turnaround on it

912
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: where culturally we're interested in that specific time in like culture,

913
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: or is it that like they are the last sort

914
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: of still lag might whatever calcified thing in like an

915
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: intense scrutiny of like pop cultural figures that like they

916
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: remained that they're the last we have, like they're the

917
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: last thing that we remember being this um unified in

918
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: our lif Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it is the

919
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's the cycle, Like they're up in the

920
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: cycle for sure. And then also yeah, I mean it

921
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: that is there is nothing that we all know about

922
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: now there not, but there's not a ton of god

923
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: so fucking twenty years from now, it'll be you know,

924
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: even it'll be weird. No, just the things that we're

925
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna be looking back on, you know, the Ryan Murphy

926
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: UH Prestige series of the UH in late twenties thirties

927
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: about you know, the Trump years and all that. It's

928
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's gonna be. No, it's weird to see,

929
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: like because there used to be like obsession with the nineties. Sure,

930
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like something has happened in the last

931
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: like five years where the nineties have truly become retro,

932
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Like the nineties have truly become like another time it

933
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: used to feel like like like the eighties were I

934
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: feel like we've officially moved on. Maybe we've literally moved

935
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: into a new decade. And so this is true, but

936
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: it feels retro now and like from a far away

937
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: just at land for the first time ever. And I

938
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like that's why we're seeing so much content about it,

939
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: because it's the first time that that all feels nostalgic. Maybe,

940
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not even nostalgia anymore. It's like,

941
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: here's the underbell at which we have. Like back during

942
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: the early buzz feed days when it was like for millennials,

943
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: it'd be like, remember how fun that time was, And

944
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: now it's like, no, everything was fucked. Uh yeah, yeah,

945
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean do you remember we had a sketch about

946
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: this in Popular lat Yeah. I mean, you guys, it's

947
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: a Matt Rodger study Green before you were in the group.

948
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: So it was like it was like in the vein

949
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: of like a BuzzFeed like like it was like a

950
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 1: kid's bought music video, which was like them talking about

951
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: nineties stuff, and it was just like remember tang oh Friends,

952
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: Like it was just like you know, like and then

953
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: we just sneak in like the like Unibar, not like

954
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: Kosovo or like you know, Oklahoma City Bomber. That's what

955
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: I meant to say, Just like the nineties were actually

956
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: a fucked dark time and so much was past off

957
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: as like whatever, and then you look back and it's

958
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: like lou Perlman managed so many of those kids, you

959
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah what yeah? Yeah? R Kelly

960
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: convicted to literally today today like this this is getting

961
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: released on Wednesday but recording on Monday. But I mean

962
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, you couldn't get a bigger one

963
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest artists of the nineties. They're just like

964
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: it's weird, Michael Jackson, It's all weird. It's like the

965
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: curtain gets eventually pulled back, and it feels like it's

966
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: getting pulled back on that time period hard right now. Yeah, yeah, none,

967
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: and it's none of none of it's good news, no

968
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: good news. It's never the surprising good news behind that

969
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: thing you were doing. Like imagine if it, yeah, I

970
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: imagine if it was like, oh my god, Nick Carter

971
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: donated a billion dollars to share, you know, like like

972
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: you wish it was that. No, it's Aaron Carter gets

973
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: a new face tattoo. Yeah, yeah, for sure, maybe that

974
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: but like that's like the focal but I feel like

975
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: the focal the focal length, like oh, it's it takes

976
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, let's just throw out a number, random number,

977
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: twenty years for us to like really examine this in

978
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: the most not honest way, but in a way that

979
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: makes sense in context with like the current culture we

980
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: live in. It's like, is that getting is that getting

981
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: shorter and shorter? Like I don't know. But um, as

982
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: we talk about historic culture in our lives, should we

983
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: ask you the question? Yes we should, Matt, you asked, Okay,

984
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: so Dave, yes, this is maybe, um, one of the

985
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: most important questions you'll be asked. So this is the

986
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: cornerstone of our of our really let's just call it

987
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: what it is podcast here, um and the sweet from

988
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: which a mighty tree, very very much so. And so

989
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: that's see that question is what was the culture that

990
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? So that that

991
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: pop culture, that just general culture, whatever you can think

992
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: of that made Dave Holmes day at homes We'd love

993
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: to hear that. I I think it was Annie. Yeah, yeah,

994
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: one of the best songs ever, and it doesn't get

995
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: the credit. Oh no, it doesn't. Tomorrow gets all the

996
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: gets all the gets all the credit and then Little Girls.

997
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: But really, maybe is giving you something you could feel?

998
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: M yeah, I um, uh that was what Year seven

999
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: must be something like that that the movie, No, no,

1000
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: the the original the O b C. I did not

1001
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: see it, but my parents did. Uh. My dad was

1002
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: in New York for work a lot, and uh, and

1003
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: they saw it and I and I guess I was

1004
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: already presenting as like one of those one of those boys,

1005
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: one of the is he Yeah, I mean although that

1006
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: was not like that was probably not what they were thinking,

1007
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, like what anyway, they saw it

1008
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: and Dave would love this. I was sick and uh.

1009
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: And they came home with that, you know, O b C.

1010
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: R Are got the R And I played it constantly

1011
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: and it was my favorite thing in the world. And

1012
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: I had never seen it. I just read that, you know,

1013
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: like it was a gatefold sleeve and it had you know,

1014
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: it talked to you, you know, by beat through the

1015
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: story and then you know, miss Hannigan bemoans her fake

1016
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: little girls whatever, and uh, and I just loved it

1017
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know what this is,

1018
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: but I want to be a part of it. Somehow

1019
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: I eventually got to see it at the Muni in St. Louis.

1020
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: They do like uh an outdoor theater. Probably was a

1021
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: great production. I'm sure it was. Yeah. I mean it

1022
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: dazzled the ship out of a nine year old me

1023
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: on a on a you know, muggy August night getting

1024
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: bit up by mosquitoes. Um. It just it It's like

1025
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, this is this is what I do.

1026
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this is Um. I

1027
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: didn't really early on, like I read very early, but

1028
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: I was never all that good a student. I have

1029
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: attention issues we now know, and uh and and I

1030
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: certainly was not an athlete and I didn't. I just

1031
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of didn't know where I fit. And then I

1032
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: was like exposed to theater and I ultimately did not

1033
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: go down the musical theater road. But but but that

1034
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: just knowing that it was like people come together and

1035
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: like put on a show every night. Is was like

1036
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that is, but I

1037
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: need to I need to step into it. It was

1038
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: it was a very short step from Annie to the

1039
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: music Man, which I absolutely loved and cannot wait to

1040
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: see on Broadway with a huge I saw my first

1041
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: like I think it was just on Instagram, like my

1042
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: first ad for I was like, hey, and I'm thrilled

1043
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: to go to the Winter Garden some days soon next year.

1044
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Um wow, and so and do you, I mean, are

1045
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: you particularly attached to that original that O b C.

1046
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: That I haven't listening Ages? But yeah, but it was

1047
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: that was like my that was the first thing that

1048
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: was like my, you know, UM, and I wrote a

1049
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: letter to Andrew mccartell. Did you She wrote back she did,

1050
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: Oh did you? Well somebody did, but yeah she signed

1051
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: and signed yeah yeah. I had it up on my

1052
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: bulletin board for AGES and it was just yeah, I

1053
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: was I was just dazzled by the idea of like spectacle,

1054
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: you know that, because that was kind of the first

1055
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: of it that I was exposed to. And then you know,

1056
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: in the mid seventies you had all of this, um

1057
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: you had you know, Share and Carol Burnett and um

1058
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: and all of these like you know, women of Sketch

1059
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Comedy doing just doing awesome ship and variety. That was

1060
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: a big, big, huge variety time. Um, by the way,

1061
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: like that is essentially all that we do now socially

1062
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: since lostdown. Remember is remember things, you know, we have

1063
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: we have people over to the backyard, then set up

1064
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: a little projection area just outside of my office in

1065
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: the backyard, and when the sun goes down, we have

1066
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: like friends over. We've been doing it safely since, you know,

1067
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: since covid started. But I'll start like a collaborative YouTube

1068
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: playlist and like to everybody, and then we just sort

1069
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: of start adding still for it becomes just like so

1070
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: it's like music videos and live performances and old comedy

1071
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: sketches and like, you know that such a great idea,

1072
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: that's such a fun thing, so much fun. It's so

1073
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's so we're we're doing a

1074
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of reliving of the of the seventies and eighties

1075
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: dance fever and solid gold, and you know, it's there's

1076
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: there's a world out there for you. M m m M.

1077
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean I've never said this out this kind of

1078
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: statement out loud, but like I really probably would have

1079
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: picked the seventies if I could have lived in any

1080
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: other area. And but I've never actually entertained this question

1081
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: before but now I'm like, but hearing like anytime someone

1082
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: talks about the seventies and just like you know, of

1083
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: course another period of darkness and awful things, but like

1084
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the culture, and even though like they're

1085
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: like there, I don't know how it would have worked

1086
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: with me as an Asian person, like fitting in there,

1087
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: because I talked to like people like Laurie Tension who

1088
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: were around and like adults and creative people like in

1089
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: the seventies as Asian people, and they were like, oh yeah,

1090
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: like we never were a part of these things. But

1091
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: like I feel like I would have just been in heaven. Yeah,

1092
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: like heaven heaven anyway, not to not not to bring

1093
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: that up the race thing in but I feel like, Okay,

1094
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a controversial statement and say, the film

1095
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: version of Annie has a great cast. It's Kathy Bates,

1096
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: it's Alan Cumming, it's Victor Barber are Kristin Otter McDonald,

1097
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: It's like got like a it does have a stack cast.

1098
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: I I was just thinking, like, but you must have

1099
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: been gagged though as like Carol Burnett found to watch

1100
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: her course, of course, I'm not as connected to the movie.

1101
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was a little bit older.

1102
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: I was like, she has no Andrew McCardell, She's not alien, Quinn.

1103
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: We love her. She's a treasure. But I think I

1104
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: never Yeah, I think it was a little too old

1105
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: by the time the movie came out. Um, but yeah,

1106
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: but I just and that's a pure that's the purest

1107
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: connection you have. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, I mean,

1108
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: and there there was, Um, it was partially that spectacle

1109
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: was happening, but it was also partially that I was

1110
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: seen in that way by my you know what I mean,

1111
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: Like it was, um, it was like, Okay, we're kind

1112
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: of the person that you are a sort of starting

1113
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: to come together and this might be this might be

1114
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle. And it was you know, um,

1115
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: and I around that time and seventies my oldest. But

1116
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: I have two older like brothers, much older, and the

1117
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: oldest of them went off to college in seventy nine

1118
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: and came back that Christmas with like the best records

1119
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: of all time because it was you know, it was

1120
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: the clash and talking heads and television and like all

1121
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: of this stuff and like party mixtapes and whatever. And

1122
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: I was eight or something and suddenly knew about the clash,

1123
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: which is like that was like, oh, this, this is

1124
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: this is the other half, Like I not only love

1125
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: it without understanding any of it. Yeah, but it is

1126
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: also a thing that nobody else my age knows and

1127
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like this is a key to a an identity

1128
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to unlockt you know, this is so

1129
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: this is so interesting. I think more people should own

1130
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: up to doing this. Like sometimes you're given something and

1131
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: you are you kind of do force yourself to like

1132
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: it whether or not you understand it. So I'm not

1133
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna I don't need to speak for you, but as

1134
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: an eight year old, and you just said like you

1135
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: didn't fully under you couldn't fully comprehend what the clash was,

1136
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: and you were like, well, this is someone someone I

1137
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: looked up to likes it and is giving it to me,

1138
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: or is like letting is exposed it to me. It's

1139
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: not aware that I'm borrowing it when he's at work.

1140
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: But yes, like, was what was that am I projecting?

1141
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: Where was that something you were doing? Like You're like,

1142
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: this is I'm told this is good, and therefore I

1143
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: will force myself to like it. Yes, it definitely it

1144
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: had a seal of approval. It was a thing to

1145
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: talk about with him, um, which you know, as a

1146
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: little brother you're always looking for. Yeah, and it was

1147
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: like it was esoteric. You know that's actually yeah esoteric. Yeah,

1148
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: the Clash is actually good. It's like like you were

1149
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: like wrong, right right right, And you know all of

1150
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: this is very you know, it's everyone knows about it now,

1151
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: but back then it was just it just felt like

1152
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: this is this is from a different place, and I

1153
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: and I want to be in that different place. Um.

1154
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Now that oldest brother like has a preset button for

1155
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Fox News in the car, which is a difficult thing

1156
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: to watch. That start of the risk you run when

1157
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: someone is showing you the Clash albums when you're a kid,

1158
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: as they could put on Fox News, you know what

1159
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: I mean. But but that is so interesting because because

1160
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: because just knowing you like, you don't get to become

1161
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: you don't get to just become this encyclopedic fount of

1162
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: knowledge about music and about all this stuff. So you

1163
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: had from a very early age a fixation on not

1164
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: just music, but like music information, music history, um, music culture.

1165
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: So because you were sort of being exposed by by

1166
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: these records and that that that type of deal which

1167
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: is say yeah for sure, yeah, and and it was

1168
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: just it was like I can't impress on you enough,

1169
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: like how much. It was just like something to do,

1170
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, something to be I was you know, I

1171
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: was always in small Catholic schools, right, and it's like

1172
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: and you there aren't a whole lot of boxes to

1173
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: be in, right and uh. And so it was like,

1174
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was fascinated by it anyway, but it

1175
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: also like immersing myself in it and knowing a lot

1176
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: of at it and whatever was like it became a thing,

1177
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: the thing that I did. There. There was like the

1178
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: toughest kid in our class in seventh grade, like the

1179
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Matt Hugest like football playing kid. Um We're in the

1180
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: locker room and I had like probably had like a

1181
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: clash button on my jacket or something, and he looked

1182
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: at me and I didn't even know who knew. I

1183
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: mean it was a small school. We all knew who

1184
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: each other was. But he he looked at me and

1185
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: he was like, you're a punk rock or aren't you?

1186
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, was not, but like but

1187
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: it was like if you think so, then yes, yes,

1188
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: I am like if that, if that like gives me

1189
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: an identity in your eyes, then yes, it's really important

1190
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: at that time, you know what I mean, to have

1191
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: that thing that people can associate you with, so that

1192
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: they have a thing to associate you with, so that

1193
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: it was so and and hopefully it's not a bad thing,

1194
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I remember at that age,

1195
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: like my older friends that were a little I didn't

1196
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: have any older brothers or sisters. I made friends with

1197
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: older kids that were on the cross Kund three team

1198
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: with me, and they gave me a lot of music

1199
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: that they were listening to and it was like it

1200
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: was it was like I had to do homework to

1201
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: get to know it so that I could have a

1202
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: common language to speak with them outside of just you

1203
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: know whatever. But a lot of things I realized I

1204
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: really liked. I found through that, like you know what

1205
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's yeah, I just remember, you know,

1206
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: I would never have started listening to the Food Fighters

1207
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: had had my older friends not said, like, you have

1208
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: to listen to the food Fight food Fighters, I just

1209
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. My natural inclination is to listen to Christina Aguilera.

1210
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: So it's like at that age, so it's just different,

1211
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: and it did. It varied me up a little bit

1212
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: because you just want something to you know, talk about

1213
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: and like and be involved with, and then all of

1214
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: a sudden it turns out you like it and have

1215
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: a talent for it. In your case, Well, two things. One,

1216
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: did you say food fighters because you're still mad at oysters? No?

1217
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: Did I say food fighters? You want to know? I said,

1218
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: come on, don't do that. Said do you are a

1219
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: fucking job today? Have homes? You are not going to

1220
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: come onto this podcast and say fighters. Did want to

1221
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: save food fighters? And then you don't food fighters? I'm

1222
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: not sure, but I heard the most time he said

1223
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: food Well, we can run the tape back, but the

1224
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: most recent time he said food fighters, and I'm almost

1225
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: positive there was new food fighters? Is I know when

1226
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: they're I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. And by the way,

1227
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: if that was some third attempt to get me to

1228
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: say the name of the restaurant, I will not do it.

1229
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: I will not do it. It was transparent, transparent. Um.

1230
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: The second thing, if I told you my Christina Aguilar story,

1231
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: no need to know, Okay, alright, and then we want

1232
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: to take it too t r L two. But I

1233
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: want to know about Okay, al right, well it's it's

1234
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: at it's there. It all takes place, Okay, a lot

1235
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: of it takes place there at her apex Um. Okay,

1236
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: so April is the bottle is out. It's not yet,

1237
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: so maybe it's March when this happens, but it's like

1238
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: it's before that that record has come out. And her label,

1239
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: which I think was r C a UM, did a

1240
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: thing in um in various cities where UM they would

1241
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: bring her at like get a like a nice room

1242
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: in a hotel and like play the electronic presscott ePK whatever,

1243
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: the five minute montage about who she is and what

1244
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: she's going to do and all that, and then she

1245
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: would come out and there would be a piano player

1246
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: and she would sing a couple of standards and then

1247
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: work the room. Right, So I went to the one

1248
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: in New York. There were like a few of us

1249
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: from MTV went to the one in New York, and

1250
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: none of us knew her yet. She had not I

1251
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: was not familiar with the Disney you know song or whatever.

1252
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: So she was a brand new artist to me. And

1253
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: it was just you know, because mulan, because Mulan had

1254
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: just had just come out. But you were but you

1255
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: but you weren't familiar but that she had already sort

1256
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: of like yes, did not watch Mickey mouse Club, was

1257
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: not familiar with her from that. You did not know

1258
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: her period, did not know her, did not from Adam.

1259
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: Uh So I go to the thing, she does the

1260
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: thing and then goes to work the room after and

1261
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: and of course she's, you know, got an incredible voice

1262
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing, right, so um so

1263
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: she's she gets to the MTV table and um and

1264
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: she and we talked to her for a minute and

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: she goes, well, you know, my my singles coming out

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: in in a few weeks and then the album after that,

1267
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: and we all over your network this summer. And I

1268
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: was like, great, good luck, you know, I hope to

1269
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 1: see or whatever. Um and then okay, So that was

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: the summer that we went, that we spent in the

1271
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: Bahamas like isle of MTV, like the summer house was

1272
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: fully you can watch on television, the absolute Horney thing

1273
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: you can watch on television. Um and and the story,

1274
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: the storyline behind the summer programming was that we all

1275
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: took a boat there and and then Fred Durst blew

1276
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: it up with dynamite with like one of these things. Yeah,

1277
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: like a Bugs Bunny cartoon. You can act me like

1278
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: a dynamo, right, So, like during a performance of Nookie

1279
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: or something, he like goes and the boat blows up

1280
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: and then we're stuck there for the sing. So we

1281
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: literally are in the bahamas that entire show and uh,

1282
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: and we're because it's um, we're kind of cut off

1283
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: from the world, you know what I mean. We had

1284
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: no There was one production office that had like one

1285
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: dial up connection to the Internet, and like everyone would

1286
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: use it to like check their email whatever. You would

1287
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: get Yesterday's USA Today at the hotel for you know,

1288
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: seven fifty. So it was like yeah, yeah, yeah, um.

1289
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: And during that summer, the single came out and the

1290
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: album came out, and they blew up and they went

1291
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: to number one, and she was all over the network.

1292
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: And so then at the end of that summer, we

1293
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: then go back to New York. My first assignment is um,

1294
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: like a VMA's preview special with her, where we're gonna

1295
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: be on a horse drawn carriage going around Central Park,

1296
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: also a thing I don't do anymore. And so I

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: go and I go um into the makeup room first

1298
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: thing that morning, and it's you know, like my colleagues

1299
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: who I haven't seen in months and whatever, and so

1300
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: we're like catching up and Christina's there and I was

1301
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: like hey, and she goes, oh, that's you. I need

1302
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And she like dismisses the makeup people,

1303
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: which are not her makeup people, um like send him

1304
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: out of the room, closes the door behind her, and

1305
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: she goes, do you remember meeting me? And I said, yeah,

1306
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, the thing that was great? And she

1307
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: said do you remember what you said to me? What?

1308
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: And I said I don't And she said, I said

1309
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: my single and my video we're coming out and I

1310
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: was gonna be all over your network this summer. And

1311
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: you said good luck. Ah, she thought you were being shady, yes,

1312
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: And he was like, no, she remembered to a child.

1313
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: She misremembered well or she you know, she might have

1314
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: been yeah maybe. I mean she was very young and

1315
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: we all know the early years were. How did you

1316
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: make it right with her in that moment? I mean

1317
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: it was the end of the summer, summer beach. Yeah,

1318
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: So I said, um, I was, she said, and I

1319
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 1: think you owe me an apology, and I said, I

1320
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: was actually wishing you luck when I said when I

1321
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: said good luck, what I was doing was wishing you

1322
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: luck because this is you know, we all know how

1323
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: crazy this business is. And I was I was wishing

1324
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: you luck. And uh, and I said, I I'm not

1325
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: going to apologize, and I have to get this. You

1326
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: have to get this day started. And so like I

1327
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: opened the door, as I remember, and the got our

1328
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: makeup done and then we spent the rest of the

1329
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: day on a fucking horse drawn carriage and it was fine.

1330
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: I guess she shook it off and I was like, yeah,

1331
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: I love horses ha ha, yeah, yeah, he's so out

1332
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: of control. It was just like I feel I I think,

1333
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, a long time ago, but it's like what

1334
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe was just like this is you are.

1335
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: You are in the middle of the most exciting time

1336
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: in your life, and yeah, that's what you're holding onto,

1337
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, Well that's I mean, look, it says a lot.

1338
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just goes to show, like

1339
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: and then it's so funny because I don't know, just

1340
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: like you think that with more fame or worth more

1341
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: money or whatever, like you're gonna like lose, like like

1342
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: you're not gonna still be you, you know, or like

1343
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be these things that you that not you,

1344
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: that that those private little flaws or whatever. You know.

1345
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: It's just it's just interesting. You never stop being you

1346
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: wherever you go. There you are. Of course, when you

1347
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: set a goal or when you're like when you have

1348
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: a dream in your mind, it is happening to a

1349
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: better you, oh you that is ready for it, and

1350
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: it isn't ever, it is happening to the you that

1351
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: is you are, you know what I mean? And down

1352
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: to like any kind of like, um, you know, hey,

1353
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,959
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go for a sunrise surf in Malibu.

1354
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: Great tomorrow. Me is gonna love that idea, you know

1355
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then like and then your alarm

1356
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: goes off and you're not You're yesterday. You know, You're

1357
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: the you that went to bed and you're gonna turn

1358
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: off your alarm and go right back to sleep. Um. Anyway,

1359
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: so I'm sure she's worked all that ship out, I

1360
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 1: will say this. Um. So we did that for the

1361
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: day and then and then there was there was a

1362
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: trl that was live and she was the guest and

1363
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: she performed in whatever, and I came back in and

1364
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: again back in the makeup room. Um, she was like,

1365
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: how many more people were outside to day than usual?

1366
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't, I don't know. What

1367
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: do you mean? I mean, like what percentage more people

1368
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: were out in Times Square then you would usually set there?

1369
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, like percentage of the people

1370
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: who were their head signs for me? You don't know,

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's my Christina Aguilera story. She would

1372
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: have been a great. Um, that's a fantastic story. First

1373
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: of all, we should say this is why David Holmes

1374
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: is like a true one of the best pop culture

1375
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: story tellers we have, which makes them a great journalist

1376
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: in that way as well. I'll call out a child.

1377
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: I am not afraid to put a child on blast

1378
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: their behavior when they were a child. I mean, going

1379
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: through the trauma of early fame. We're all complicit in

1380
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: this when when like if we think about Brittany, we

1381
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: were all like mistreating this child anyway, But whatever, have

1382
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: they re cut the Madonna Brittany Christina performance from the

1383
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 1: v M as like the original cutginal cut. Originally you

1384
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: didn't see Madonna kiss Christina because the camera was on

1385
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: just Justin. Now it's on him for like a split second,

1386
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: but you do catch the tail end of the kiss.

1387
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: I have to say this, I remember when I was

1388
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: that age watching it that what happened was, I feel

1389
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: so good. They kiss Madonna and Brittany cuts to Justin

1390
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: timber Lake with his okay face, and then it cuts

1391
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: back and you do for a split second Christina and

1392
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: Madonna kissing and they pull away. So I think that

1393
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: it was there. It just again was the media just

1394
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: didn't focus on that. The headline was Brittany kisses Madonna.

1395
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: Subheadline also Christina too. Yeah, totally. And Justin has to

1396
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: watch And anytime anytime this comes up on the podcast,

1397
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: I do have to share what Matt and I have

1398
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: a friend him Colin Cordopost from Collogeny always likes to

1399
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: remind us that the next day, Beyonce was reached out

1400
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: to for comment and she said that she was discussed.

1401
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: You're kidding. Yeah, I was disgusted, which I love. I

1402
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: love God, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

1403
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: And Beyonce is Beyonce, But Beyonce back then would have

1404
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, took press and said, here's what

1405
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: I think disgusting. It was disgusting. What year was that? Even?

1406
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: Two three? It was it was long ago. I like

1407
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: this up it was two thousand and three. Yeah, um

1408
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: you know Rich jew act Yeah, yea. He posted a

1409
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 1: thing yesterday of of Madonna. It was like a Madam

1410
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: X event and and it's Access Hollywood is covering it

1411
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: and they're talking to one of her children. This is

1412
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: two years ago when when that album came recently? Then yes, yes,

1413
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: I saw this. Oh my god, I didn't see it.

1414
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: What happened? Well, it's so he's whatever, they're they're talking,

1415
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: and then Madonna enters, and of course the Access Hollywood

1416
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: person wants to talk to Madonna. So so they're like, oh,

1417
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: David is telling us how funny you are, and David goes, yeah,

1418
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: I was saying, do you remember that time when you

1419
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: asked us to get a sandwich bag and we came

1420
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: back with a giant zip block and you said, who

1421
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: eats a sandwich that big? And she just looks at

1422
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: him and goes, no, what are what are your thoughts on?

1423
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: Not a mass of me? You're trying to get out

1424
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: of this one who need the guess on the podcast? Yeah, okay, um,

1425
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: I am waiting for her to be Madonna. I guess yeah,

1426
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: I am waiting for her to say, you catch up

1427
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: to me, right? You know what I mean? You're exactly right,

1428
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I feel like she's chasing something

1429
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: and that is never a good look for anyone, especially her.

1430
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: I think that the industry in the world have has

1431
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: been as cruel and judgmental and critical to her as

1432
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: any of these women that we've mentioned, and she has

1433
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: had always through the decades, has had the attitude of

1434
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: I'm unbothered, and then eventually I think she just got

1435
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: worn down and now she just seems like she just

1436
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: seems bothered and like she's she's trying to be something

1437
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: that maybe she thinks is going to be relevant or surprising.

1438
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like you're right, she is instinctually intrinsically that.

1439
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: So you wish that she didn't get clouded by whatever

1440
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: she's clouded by, because she is the coolest bit. She

1441
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: is like Madonna. She is the only Madonna. But here's

1442
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: something something going on. My question for you is do

1443
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: you have like a moment you've been around or like

1444
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: a person that you've met at a time when dot

1445
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: dot dot that that sticks out to you and all

1446
01:18:55,240 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 1: your time like being around this stuff, Um, I do

1447
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: have uh my mind goes to a thing that um

1448
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: the random House legal department politely requested that I leave

1449
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: out of my book. But you can tell you, Mike,

1450
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't. Okay, Okay, yeah, part no, it's bad.

1451
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: You get people, get people in trouble. Yeah, is your

1452
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 1: book out? Yeah? Oh my god, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1453
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: I think you're okay, Oh my god. Um wait, but

1454
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: what about well then give us the second best you have,

1455
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: Like I need an addictote if you're not gonna give

1456
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: me the one? And what's the question again? Can you

1457
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: repeat the question? Is there like a moment like in

1458
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: music history or person that you've encountered in your experience

1459
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: being around this stuff and doing what you do that

1460
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: stands out to you where you're like, wow, looking back

1461
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: like that was cool? Like are looking back like that

1462
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: was different than anything I've experienced, or that person really

1463
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: impacted me in a way where it was like I'll

1464
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: never forget that there is a thing that happens when

1465
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: uh Tory Amos looks at you. I got to interview

1466
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: her once. Um I was I hosted a twenty minutes

1467
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: for like five minutes, and she was one of the

1468
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: people that I interviewed. And it was like the way

1469
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: when she looks at you, she is truly looking into you,

1470
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: like it is those giant eyes and she just fixes

1471
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: her whole attention on you in a way that most

1472
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: people do not. And um and I truly was just

1473
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: like I am I am being seen down deep into

1474
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: my soul. Wow. She had that X factor, that X factor,

1475
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: and and it was like some of these people are

1476
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: not like us, you know what I mean, Like some

1477
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: of these people are just sort of you know you

1478
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: see you see like someone come through and they got

1479
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: their publicists with him and they gonna makeup artist and

1480
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: all that, and there's just regular people doing their job

1481
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: like anybody else. But it was like, oh no, Torre

1482
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: Amos is actually uh like a mystical being. She is.

1483
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: She's like someone who's a beautiful person, a beautiful person. Um.

1484
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: Also similarly, Prince, so we we did um I mean

1485
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: obviously of course the greatest like musician of all time,

1486
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: but we uh we were gonna do uh like a

1487
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: special trl with him he had. He was premiering the

1488
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: video for I think the greatest Romance ever sold Um

1489
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: not one of his better songs, but whatever. Um. But

1490
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: he came to Okay, So like if the show was

1491
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: from three to four, the whole hour was like built

1492
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: around him. He was gonna be the only guest. Were

1493
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 1: just gonna play Prince videos. And he showed up at

1494
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: like right with a giant entourage, um, including one bodyguard

1495
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: holding onto um like the tub that cheese balls from

1496
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: Costco come in cheese balls, but full of dollar bills

1497
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: because it was the swear jar and if you took

1498
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: the lord's name and then you had to put in

1499
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: a dollar that was Prince's rule. That was Prince's rule.

1500
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: Is this is this like common knowledge that he had

1501
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: a swear jar with his entourage or was this somebody

1502
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: it was a Jehovah's witness that's right. Yeah. And but

1503
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: also Anna Lewis, my fellow VJ, was like in his

1504
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: entourage for the day. Was just sort of like hanging out.

1505
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 1: I guess they were friendly or whatever, but she was

1506
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: just like she's the best, She's super great. But she

1507
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: comes in like in a in like a sarape is

1508
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: that the how you pronounce it? Yea, like uh and

1509
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: uh And then like just sat cross legged on the

1510
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: ground and watched and it was like, this is like

1511
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: a sort of um earth Mother version of this person

1512
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: who I work with and that I've just never seen.

1513
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't know, I guess that's what

1514
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: Prince does to you whatever. So uh So Prince gets

1515
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 1: up on stage. Carson Daley is like, we were expecting

1516
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: you a little bit earlier, but we're glad you can

1517
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: make it. And Prince says, I don't use time, and okay,

1518
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: what do you use? And he says truth, and like,

1519
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I love that. Like all of

1520
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: us were like, yeah, yeah, I don't use time. I

1521
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: used truths. Of course, that sounds like a Housewives tagline.

1522
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: That was Princess Housewives tagline. I don't use long enough

1523
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: to be a real housewife. I don't use time. I

1524
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: used truth. Was the is the person that that ram

1525
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: has told you not to talk about? Was it Beyonce? Was?

1526
01:23:53,160 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: Wasn't Beyonce? Um? I do remember the original recipe Destiny's Child? Yeah? Something,

1527
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something? If I say the name

1528
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: of the restaurant that gave me food poisoning. Will you

1529
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: say your thing that random house asked you to take?

1530
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: What beautiful? Um, what a great quid broke quo. That

1531
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: really speaks to me. But no, I actually would get

1532
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: fine you and other people in trouble and you know

1533
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: what as okay, So that means the person was big, okay, jeez,

1534
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: well yeah, I'm gonna find I'm gonna find out later.

1535
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Someone huge, someone huge, someone who

1536
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: would become huge. It must it must okay, it must

1537
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 1: have been Demi Leva. It was not Demi Levanto. She

1538
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: was singing to a dinosaur back then. Problem truly, Barney

1539
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: for what was Selena? That's how they met. That's right,

1540
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: like you forget you forget these babies. I don't know.

1541
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm not keeping tabs on their relationship. They are not.

1542
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's great now,

1543
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: but um, but it was at one point. I wish

1544
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: them the best of luck, both of them, both of them.

1545
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: But watch your tone when you do it, because don't

1546
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: know that. Listen, this has been InCred We have to

1547
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: move on to I don't think so, honey, Oh my god, Bowen.

1548
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Are you feeling ready for that? I don't think so, honey,

1549
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: moment I am ready for I don't think so, I

1550
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: am too, and uh, I usually do go first. By

1551
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: the way, if you don't know what this is listening

1552
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: at home, this is a sixty second segment. We take

1553
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: two rants again, something in pop culture that you know

1554
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: it just deserves a ranting, and not to say like

1555
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: you know it deserved it, you know, but but this

1556
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: thing it did. Um. But when I'm ready to go,

1557
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time

1558
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so. Honey. Mess Hall the

1559
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: restaurant in Los Angeles were did you do it? I

1560
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: had to tell you something. We love mess Hall? Why

1561
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: did you do this? To me? Via my own daughter

1562
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: and Oyster? And I was so happy. You should have

1563
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: seen me at dinner. I was at dinner with Joel,

1564
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: Gretta and Study and I was so happy. I was like,

1565
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: what oyster dies you have? He was like East Coast.

1566
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: He was like, well, I was like which one. I

1567
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: was doing my whole thing. I was twirling. He said,

1568
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: we have the bar cats from Virginia. I was like, absolutely,

1569
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: bring him over and he there sat down in front

1570
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: of me. They were pretty good. I could never have known.

1571
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I think what happened is a little piece of ice

1572
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: got on the oyster. You know how that happens sometimes.

1573
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Any Way, I had seven days and seven nights of

1574
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: thunder in the words of Kimberly Lock and let me

1575
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: tell you, I have lost waters Rising. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1576
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. I'm so happy to end up

1577
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: giving giving props to one of the best pop songs,

1578
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Capital B, Capital B Capital s of all time eight

1579
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: World water Locked, the second runner up on American Idol

1580
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 1: season two. But yes, it was mess Hall where I

1581
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: got my food poisoning. I'm sorry. I couldn't hold it

1582
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: in any longer. I've been confronted. I I really, I

1583
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: just and they are my favorite restaurant and wonderful. The

1584
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: very first night I got back, I was like, I'd

1585
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: like to go out to my favorite restaurant, mess Hall,

1586
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: and I went. And here's the thing. It's not their fault,

1587
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: you guys. Sometimes this is just the risk that we've

1588
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: run when we have oysters. And it happened to me,

1589
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: it could happen to you. I certainly don't want to

1590
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: be out here like harming the oyster community. But I

1591
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: just want to say, like, you've gotta be careful and

1592
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: understand that you can get a bacterial infection that that

1593
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: knocks you the f out t f girl. We're happy

1594
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: you're feeling better. It was like my blood hurt two

1595
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: days ago. I can't even explain it to you. Like

1596
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I went to the after and I was like, Hi,

1597
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: what's happening, And he was like, okay, so you obviously

1598
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: have like a bacterial infection from the oysters because my

1599
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: COVID test came back negative. Um. But it was really

1600
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: it's been a wild week, and it was because I

1601
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: went to that establishment and I love them so much,

1602
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: but I had to say, wow, it's okay. I don't

1603
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: know that I would do an oyster from mess Hall.

1604
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: I like it, but I always have to. They always

1605
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: have good ones. Matt Matt can't resist. I can't resist.

1606
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I can never resist an oyster if he goes to

1607
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: a restaurant. Now, usually if they have them, I get them,

1608
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: Like and this is why I'm saying, it's equal opportunity.

1609
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: This could be anywhere you get your oysters, even like

1610
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: a seaflue restaurant, the House down. I ever place the

1611
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: luck of the draw, bad luck of the draw. It's

1612
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: it's a Russian roulette, shuck of the draws of the

1613
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: d West Coast luck. I never mind. I was going

1614
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: for something. I lost my way. I stooped so low

1615
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: to do you a pun, and I I'm ashamed. Sometimes

1616
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: puns are what people want to hear, though it's true,

1617
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: do you have an I don't think funny topic? I do.

1618
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to hear that. Bowen yang. This is

1619
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.

1620
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Live undried flowers? Why what

1621
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with you? When I receive you?

1622
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be reminded of my own mortality as

1623
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I watch you wither and die. Give me dried florals

1624
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: as I'm like I'm holding in my hand right now?

1625
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: The whole day is am I doing? I don't think

1626
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: so many live flowers? Because I couldn't think of a topic,

1627
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and I literally looked to my right and saw dried florals.

1628
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta don't go right now. I'm gonna

1629
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: own up to this. But this is actually something that

1630
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm actually asking about you can just you

1631
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: can even say that I was inspired and on a

1632
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: real genuine inspiring moment that I need to I don't

1633
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: ever send me flowers. If you're listening to this and

1634
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: you have the earth florals, they better be dry from

1635
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: a website like a floral dot com. Wait, order all

1636
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: my dried florals. And this is We're not sponsored by them.

1637
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: This is just my go to dried floral place. I

1638
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: get to put them in a picture downstairs on my

1639
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: dining room table and I call it a day, and

1640
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: they they'll sit there for years and I'll be so

1641
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: happy with the way my apartment looks aesthetically florally whatever.

1642
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't care about this. This the sense no no, no,

1643
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: no drying like this world. This is well over one minute.

1644
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Hey anymore the theme song to everyone out there, you

1645
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: don't send flowers anymore? Side flowers. Uh no, that was

1646
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: not a star was born? That was That was a

1647
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: That was the Annie? That that which wait, that was Annie?

1648
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: You know what? You know what's an under rated Annie song?

1649
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 1: What let's go to the movies. Let's go to the movies.

1650
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 1: I remember watching that as a kid, in like the original,

1651
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 1: and like the it's not in the original, it's on

1652
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: the original, it's in it's in the first film adaptation.

1653
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: And I remember watching as a kid being like, this

1654
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: is the chicest thing I've ever seen. People. It's like,

1655
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: it's let's go a lot, let's go, let's all go

1656
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: to the lobby. Wishes it was let's go to the movies.

1657
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 1: It is the most wonderful glamorization of going to the

1658
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: cinema that I've ever that's ever been committed to film.

1659
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I think everyone she did themselves the favor and watched

1660
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Let's go to the movies. I mean, Annie, wait, I

1661
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: need to rewatch. I have not seen any in literal deck.

1662
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you will. The score will make you absolutely cry.

1663
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw their Broadway revival with Jane Lynch,

1664
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: which was pretty good. Um, and Jane played Annie. Um

1665
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: she was missing again. She was obviously great. Um. But

1666
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: it really is one of those classic little musicals where

1667
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: here you hear just I mean, tomorrow is such a

1668
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: good song. But I'm telling you maybe has Ma n

1669
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: y c oh and you know what, Like that was

1670
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: the first show that I was like, wait, they do

1671
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: a song. That's just the songs that you're gonna hear

1672
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: at the beginning before anything starts. Incredible. Oh god, I

1673
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: was wowed by that ship. You need an overture. When

1674
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: I saw a Funny Girl on the West End in London,

1675
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: they do a full overture and it's like it was

1676
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: it was the whole score and was forever and the

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01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: movie doesn't too. If you put on the barber strikes

1678
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: in Funny Girl from sixty eight, like the first few

1679
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: minutes is an overture and you're like, oh, I'm at

1680
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: the theater. Wow, have you seen um? Okay? So you

1681
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: know how they did the real Live Brady Bunch in

1682
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,919
Speaker 1: Chicago in the early nineties. It is low key probably

1683
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: one of the most important moments in our culture ever.

1684
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: It was very early, you know, it was it was

1685
01:32:54,520 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: now Joey Soloway faith and Joey Soloway um and uh

1686
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and they just like they got all their you know,

1687
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: weirdo sketching improv friends together and just did old Brady

1688
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Bunch script right and they like turned them up the

1689
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: tiniest bit. Um. But it's like it was the first

1690
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: thing where it was like, um, like it was cool

1691
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: to remember to like know a Brady Bunch episode by heart,

1692
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: Like it was a little little dubious to have that

1693
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of power and knowledge before then, but like this

1694
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: kicked off that like weird retro thing. Um, but uh,

1695
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Carol Brady was Jane Lynch, Andy Richter was Mike Brady.

1696
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: H Melanie Huttle played Jan Brady and then went on

1697
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: to Saturday Night Live where she did that character on

1698
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. But um, you can find it on

1699
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 1: YouTube real life Brady Bunch watch it. Um. The moment

1700
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: that Melanie Huttle walks out as Jan Brady is like

1701
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: it is the arrival of a superstar, like we had

1702
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: like just her look, like the crowd registers her look

1703
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 1: for two minutes and then she's just like hi, and

1704
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: like people fucking like beach balls are bouncing around the house,

1705
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:13,520
Speaker 1: people on people's shoulders. It's just it's like a celebration

1706
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: the likes of which you have. Jan is one of

1707
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: the great comedy characters. If you can if you can

1708
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: do Jam, it's like if you can sing, if you

1709
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: can sing Alpha, but you can sing anything. If you

1710
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: can perform comedy as Jan, you can perform comedy as

1711
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: any old character in the West. But we didn't know that.

1712
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: We didn't know that. We weren't. We took her essentially,

1713
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that kicks off. Didn't notice the

1714
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: essential problem we we Didn'tice didn't notice, We didn't notice

1715
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: that's her deal. Wow, well, Matt, I would say, this

1716
01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: is a really really beautifully rich little piece of junket cake.

1717
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Well we have we have still have dave homes as

1718
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, darling, I'm so sorry. I'm

1719
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: all over the place. Can you tell im so stressed? Okay,

1720
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: that's right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry when it gets laid.

1721
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: But you know, but it's like there's there's a little something. Yeah,

1722
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: there's an essential quality that is missing. When I tell

1723
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: them to move my guts around, I don't mean my brain,

1724
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: um let move my guts around. See, people lose me

1725
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: with the guts. People say that I would Yeah, people

1726
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: say that, and I go, oh, that's that's a lot.

1727
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be watching a perfectly good porno and like

1728
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: the bottom will say something like, yeah, flood my guts,

1729
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't want to kink,

1730
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: shame whatever. But like the talking about guts is never

1731
01:35:54,479 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna know no, nope, no can contaminate my limb. Awful.

1732
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: I know. I'm with you, guys, it's disgusted. My limb

1733
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: is that man? No, man, here we go. This is

1734
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna go right into your I don't

1735
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: think so you read Okay, Yeah, I'm sorry, guys. Stop,

1736
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: this is this is Dave Holmes is. I don't think so, honey.

1737
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1738
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: People who spell the word y'all, why a apostrophe l L? Where?

1739
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: How do you get by in the world? Person who

1740
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: does this? What is what? Yeah? Let us talk about

1741
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: Let's let me take you back to let's say third grade,

1742
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: how we learn about our friend the apostrophe and what

1743
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: she does. She takes the place of the letters, the syllables,

1744
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: the sounds that are taking a break. She steps in.

1745
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: She wants to remind you they're they're they're they're not gone,

1746
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: they're just taking a break. Y'all is you and all?

1747
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: It's not yea and it's not yo. Similarly, people who

1748
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: my dog's furious about it, people who say text as

1749
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the past tense of texted, like I text you the

1750
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: other day, are you a friend who does that, and

1751
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: I hope he's not listening because it drives me fucking crazy.

1752
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: She texted me yesterday, you are not tonto stop this.

1753
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: That's one minute. This is the thing people also need

1754
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 1: to stop. I completely agree with you. People need to

1755
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: stop putting a space after an apostrophe. If it's just

1756
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: a contraction of of two, What are you doing? What

1757
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: are you? Why do you know? It would be the

1758
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: worst text ever to get after a threesome? The person

1759
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: that everyone says, y'all flood of my guts? Yell, why

1760
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: a apostrophe? Y'all y'all, y'all all flooded my gut. Hope

1761
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: it's okay that I that I just text you. It's like,

1762
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: what is that? What is it? How is it spelled

1763
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: in your head? When you when you say that like

1764
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: text as pests? What is that imagining? I don't know.

1765
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it from now on because I

1766
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 1: do not wrong way? Are you? Have you seen not

1767
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: wrong way? Now that you're back in California? What is that? Okay?

1768
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: It's on the highway signs California. It says, uh, don't

1769
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: drive drunk, not wrong way, or drive sober? Not wrong way,

1770
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: don't ruin lives. What does that mean? I think they're

1771
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: trying to say, don't drive the wrong way. But that's

1772
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 1: but if you were driving the wrong way, you wouldn't

1773
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: be able to see it because it's on the it's

1774
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: on the front of this, so it's too distracting for

1775
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,520
Speaker 1: the road. Not wrong way. It's like, what what relationship

1776
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: is this me? I think it's just it's the wrong

1777
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: way to do things. It's to drive drunk, So don't

1778
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: do that because it's the wrong way. That's the way

1779
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: that I don't know, but it's it's very bad. And

1780
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: then they just did a rewrite of it, but they

1781
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: kept them not wrong way. You get on that one

1782
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: on one you'll see. Don't you hate it when they

1783
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: make an edit on something a piece of writing, and

1784
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: then you go, that was the wrong trim the whole time,

1785
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 1: the whole time, the wrong trim the whole time, wrong

1786
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: tim the whole time. Well, this felt like the right

1787
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: episode for the right time. Okay, Um, this was so

1788
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean truly an honor to have you on. We've

1789
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: wanted to for so long. You've been kind enough to

1790
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: have us on. Homophilia A bone has not been not

1791
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: wrong way. I thought that was not wrong way. I

1792
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: thought that was on the ones we did together. But

1793
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 1: I guess not. We have to fix you're I know

1794
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: you're about to be very busy. That's what it was.

1795
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: I came on myself and then I came on with Dave.

1796
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 1: So you gotta get on there. I would love to.

1797
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: We will work around your busy sketch and Mat what

1798
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: what what a true A great many He is just

1799
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 1: the best and always looking good, always looking good, always

1800
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: looking good. Yeah, wonderful man, very handsome. You want to talk.

1801
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: It was much like uh Andy Cohen calling you out.

1802
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Here's a little behind the scenes dish um. I we

1803
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 1: had Andrew Scott on Sexy Fleaback. He was a friendly

1804
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: and we left him. And Andrew Scott said, always quite beautiful,

1805
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: isn't he about? It was like about Matt. I was like, wow, Mat.

1806
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: But a priest said it. A priest said it if hot,

1807
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 1: priest said it was just if Andrew said anything to anyone,

1808
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: they are obligated. Yeah, have sex more of that, get

1809
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: their guts moved around. Oh no, I'm sorry, but you

1810
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 1: know it's something our community has to grapple with. The

1811
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: fact that we say guts moved around like I just

1812
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: don't know who it's turning on. It's guts. Yeah, gut

1813
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: feels like not a gay term either. No, no, do

1814
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: you have it? Remember that show Guts? I remember that

1815
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: there was a show guts. Oh bo when you you

1816
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,520
Speaker 1: might not know guts. I don't know. It's it's Nickelodeon

1817
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: kids culture. So did not have cable at the time,

1818
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: but so much to explore. Um in the future. Then listen,

1819
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 1: Dave Holmes, tell us, tell the audience, the readers, the

1820
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 1: publicists where they can find you and enjoy you. Well.

1821
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Dave Homes also Instagram. Instagram is

1822
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: a little better. Um oh, I have a show coming

1823
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: out October twelve called Waiting for Impact Dave homes Passion Project,

1824
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: an episode investigative podcast at the disappearance of a boy

1825
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: band called Sudden Impact who were featuring to mend Video

1826
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Motown Philly and then never heard from again. Do we

1827
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it by the end of

1828
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: the ten f do we ever? Oh, thank you so

1829
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: much for not doing one of those sham investigative podcasts

1830
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: that just ended an open in an open question. The

1831
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: whole problem with unsolved mysteries the show. They're never solved.

1832
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: It's the essential problem of unsolved mysteries. We don't notice,

1833
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: we don't solve. Truly, we don't solve. That's the central problem. Well,

1834
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: we can't wait, I can't want to. Please listen to

1835
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: October twelve. October twelve on the exactly right network, on

1836
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: the exactly right network. Oh but listen until then. You

1837
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: have this episode to get it again and keep you

1838
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 1: tided over. Boon and Yang. We are supposed to finish

1839
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: every episode with a song. Oh when are the awards?

1840
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: You guys, we don't know, we don't know. You cannot

1841
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: answer that question. I'm very excited for them, thank you. Okay, now,

1842
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: I just because I need to pick out enough. Sure,

1843
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: sure to watch. You'll have to send on the presenters day?

1844
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Would you? Would you present? Would just would you send

1845
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: in a little recording voice recording? Absolutely, you'll be presenting.

1846
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: You'll be presenting, um officially our first presenter for the awards.

1847
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: That's announced. Exciting. That's the whole episode, is us announcing

1848
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the presenters. Oh wow, it may bring Madeline, I mean

1849
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: pleaseerfect of course, do a fun little physical comedy bit.

1850
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll be great, that'll be great. We're like, hey,

1851
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: where's the que card? Yeah yeah, yeah, classic, the classic

1852
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: where's the cue card bit. But in the meantime, um

1853
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 1: I would like to sing a song by an artist

1854
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: who demanded an apology of Dave Holmes. Her name is Christina.

1855
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: What a Girl? One, what a girl? Whatever names you

1856
01:43:49,680 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: happen said, you free think, you finds your fines.