1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason MacIntyre. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: What is up? 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: Straight Fire from Pam. It's the Jason MacIntire Straight Fire 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: for Thursday, April eleventh. Got an awesome podcast, Got a 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: positive podcast for you, Well, at least at the start, 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: we know this much. We'll be talking about Otani briefly 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: and then get to our guest, Albert Breer, NFL draft 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: two weeks away. Lot of juice. It's interesting. I didn't 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: want to get into the whole. Caleb Williams paints his 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: fingernails stuff, but I've been asked about it several times lately, 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: so I had to ask Breer like, is there you 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: know a way to ask him about the painting figureals? 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: And frankly, for me, I don't. That's not something I 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: really noticed. I saw people talking about it. I didn't 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: even think about it. But then a few people asked 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: me pointedly and I was like, oh, I never even 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: really thought about that. So we'll talk about the draft. 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, there's a I think the most interesting thing 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: probably is what he says about Tua, but I don't 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: want to spoil it. I thought we would start with 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: the Otani news before we get to mister breer. So, 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: according to The New York Times, a veritable institution, Shohei 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: Otani had no clue whatsoever that he had been hoodwinked 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: out of four and a half million dollars or more, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: the New York Times says, or more by his interpreter. 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: Who I mean, listen when you read the story in 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: the Times, and I know some people have the conspiracy 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: theory crowd already rolling their eyes. Oh it's the New 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: York Times. How could you believe the New York Slimes? Jason, 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: Come on, let's be real. If you want to be 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: honest about it, the least you can do. The least 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: you can do is actually read the story. So apparently 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: Khani's interpreter was so duplicitous. Once he got down bad, 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: he decided, I'm gonna go into Otani's bank and change 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: the alerts so he won't get alerts when large sums 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: of money or any sums of money are moving hands. Now, 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: I know some of you will say, could he do that? 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: Bro? 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: He was like Otani's right hand man. They traveled together. 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: He trusted this guy. Otani comes from a very trusting culture. Okay, 41 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: you don't rob your best friends, and clearly this guy 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 3: was just a gambling machine and in a bad way 43 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: kept losing money. And the Feds again, again, the Feds. 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: This is not like Major League Baseball investigating. This is 45 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: the Feds. Okay, I don't I mean, I don't. They 46 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: haven't I set exactly which three letter organizations have done this. 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: But according to the New York Times, the investigation has 48 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 3: been going on for over three weeks and it's nearly done. 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: Apparently the interpreter is going to plead guilty and admit, 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: admit that it was him doing everything and Otani was 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: not involved at all. And I know some people say, oh, 52 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: he's just Otani's just paying it. Listen, if you want 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: to believe that that maybe that's happening, fine, go I 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: can't do it. I cannot help you. All we can 55 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: do is deal in the facts, okay. And what the 56 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: facts are, according to the investigation, is that the interpreter 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: stole more than four and a half million dollars. Okay. 58 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: And this changing of the settings about alerts and confirming transactions, 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: that's really dark stuff. And listen, I'm some people are 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: going to act like, oh, come on, how did Otani 61 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: not know? How did his accountants? 62 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: What about his lawyers? 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: Let me tell me the last time your lawyer knew 64 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: exactly what was going on in your bank account, or 65 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: your accountant or your agent. They're not meddling. I mean, 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: I have an agent. You know, he deals with me 67 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: when we're doing deals. You know, if we're not doing deals, 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: he's not checking my bank He never checked my bank account. 69 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: Now again, obviously, I'm sure you get to Atani. Fine, Jason, 70 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: come on, there's real multiple layers. Fine, I gotta find it. 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: We gotta financial guy. Anytime we have to do something, 72 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: we look at the transaction, talk through it, get on 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: the phone, blah blah blah. On small potatoes. This is Otani. 74 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: You think he's on the granular level even needing to 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: talk to anybody about transactions. I got so much money 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: he doesn't even need to worry about transactions. I again, 77 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: I'm of the belief. Well, I guess he does need 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: to worry now that Otani's not He didn't, he didn't 79 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: wasn't gambling here, I'm sorry, And until you can present 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: to me evidence and again, maybe it's out there, maybe 81 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: someone will unearth it, but there's zero so far as 82 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: zero other than speculation. Who what who's gonna give off of? 83 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: Who's gonna let a guy gamble when he's four million 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: dollars down? Well, yeah, you could say I work with Otani, 85 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: he's good for it and he'll cover for me. And 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: there's his amateur hour criminal who clearly didn't cover his tracks. Yeah, 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: how did they get this done so quickly? Jason an investigation? 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: Three weeks? Come on, four point five million, guys, It's 89 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: very clear we're not dealing with some like sophisticated criminal here. 90 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: This was Otani's buddy, like good friend, and he just 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: did basic stuff and then robbed his friend because Otani 92 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: had no reason to think anything was going on here. 93 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 3: And Otani's never gonna talk about this. He's got to 94 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: be mortified. I don't know. I'm sorry, guys, I can't 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: rock with Yeah, no, no, Otani's in on this. He 96 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: must have paid the guy to take the fall. I 97 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: just can't. There's zero, literally no evidence other than what 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: about stuff? What about this? What about that? 99 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: Sure, anything's possible, but we don't know any of that 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: to be true. I don't know that Otani stuff is fascinating. Anyways, 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: Let's get to our guest Albert Breer on the NFL 103 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 3: and the NFL Draft. 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes 105 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: to sport. I know what sports fans want, but for 106 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. Let's 107 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: just say, I know a guy who knows a guy 108 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: who knows another guy. 109 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a guy you 110 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: know well. Albert Breers Sports Illustrated. Albert's been at a 111 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: bunch of media stops, just utterly dominant wherever he goes. 112 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: And we're about two weeks to the draft, Albert, is 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: it getting to be go time for you? War rooms 114 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: are crystallizing their their boards. It's getting hot and heavy 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: in the NFL now, huh. 116 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like I would say, like next 117 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: week at some point, like teams start to come out 118 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: of their draft rooms and you start to get a 119 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 4: better idea of you know, how this team or that 120 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: team sees sees things playing out, you know, and so 121 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 4: you know, obviously it's it's there's a lot, there's a 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: lot of moving parts this year because of the quarterback 123 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: situation at the top of the draft. 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. 125 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean, I think having quarterbacks at the 126 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 4: top definitely makes it a little more exciting. 127 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: Let's start with the quarterbacks. I know everybody wants to 128 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: meet him to death. There's not much for me on 129 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. I'll just say this, And this is like 130 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: a weirdly delicate topic. So you know, one way to 131 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: judge stuff is asking your non sports media friends or 132 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: people you talk to the sports media about sports and yeah, Albert, 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: I've gotten I think three times in like the last 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. Hey, g what's this Caleb Williams fingernail painting? 135 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: What is this pink? What's going on? 136 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 137 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: And again there's a new generation of young guys who 138 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: or whatever, And I don't totally get it. Initially I 139 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: thought it was nothing, but these are like sports fans. 140 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: Dad's asking me like, what's going on with this? I 141 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: don't want to be like a George Costanza, not that 142 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: there's anything wrong with that, but yeah, are people talking 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: about this in your circles at all? Or no? 144 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 145 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 4: I mean I don't think it's so much that you know, 146 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: like that's something that that that obviously is there and 147 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: is part of the equation, and you know there was 148 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: the jumping up to the stands of his mom thing. 149 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: You know. 150 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: So I don't think that that part of it is 151 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: as big a deal just because his teammates love him, 152 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: his coaches love him, like there's no problem there. And 153 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: that's usually the thing that you're looking at is like, 154 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: is this turning off people around him? And it's not, 155 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: you know, so I don't think that's a problem for teams. 156 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: I think the bigger question is just going to be 157 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: his dad's involvement and like how that plays into everything 158 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: when he gets to his NFL city, which will be Chicago, 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: and you know how involved the team around him is 160 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: going to be in everything that he does. 161 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: And you know, like having. 162 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 4: Talked to some people who are at USC and you know, 163 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 4: I know what Cliff told the Bears as far as 164 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: that goes, was that he saw him maybe once his 165 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: dad at the practice facility over the year that they 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: were together, so he wasn't around very much. And you know, 167 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: I think like when you really dig into it, it's, 168 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, there's that whole thing. 169 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: Like I think at one point he said. 170 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: I want to be the jay Z of football, right like, 171 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: and so you know, I think that there's the bigger 172 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: question here is his dad's involvement on the business end. 173 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: His dad's a very accomplished businessman, and then how that 174 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: weaves into his football career and what takes precedence over 175 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: what And so I think is as the teams at 176 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: the top, and obviously the Bears most intensely have studied 177 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and have started to dig into him. 178 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: And do all the background work. 179 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: Like that's probably the biggest question from a personality standpoint 180 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: and an off field standpoint. I don't think the fingernails 181 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: or the jumping in the stands like I think at 182 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: the end, in the end, what fixes all of that 183 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 4: for him is how well liked and respected he was 184 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: by everybody who worked with him both at Oklahoma and 185 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: US six. 186 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: And this is a silly question. I hate that we 187 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: have to even ask this, but like, toughness is a 188 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: thing in football, and Chicago is one of those towns. 189 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: I'll never forget the playoff game. I don't know if 190 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: you covered it, where Jake Cutler was in like an 191 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: NFC championship game and he was like supposedly injured on 192 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: the play, but there was no visible like hit or anything. 193 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: And then he didn't go back in the game. Do 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: you remember this game? 195 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the game against the Packers ten and 196 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: he had like a mcl sprain I believe. 197 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: But so he You're watching it and you're like, gee, 198 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: what it was? How's he not going back in the game? 199 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: Is he not tough? You know, like you saw the 200 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: Houston kid in the NCAA tournament turn his ankle. You're like, oh, geez, 201 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: he's done. You can't come back from that. But this 202 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: was like a weird thing in sports. Fans are weird. 203 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: And again, I know it's who cares about the fans, 204 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: But Albert, you know this, Chicago is a tough city. 205 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: You know, this is Midwest tough. How do you personally 206 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: think the fingernail paintings going over? I don't care about 207 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: the Standara. 208 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't think that. I don't think that. 209 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Chicago's progressive from that standpoint. Like 210 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: one of the things the Bears I have looked at 211 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: is like like the quarterback's readiness to handle all of 212 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 4: the criticism that comes because it is a market where 213 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 4: you're going to be you know, your performance is going 214 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 4: to be litigated on a week to week basis, and 215 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: so like, I think more of it is like and 216 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: more of what they've tried to look into and dig 217 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: through is when he throws three interceptions in two weeks 218 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 4: and the Bears lose two games in a row and 219 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 4: he's getting crushed like on the radio, two sports radio stations, 220 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 4: all the TV stations there, How's he going to handle that? 221 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: Is he going to listen to it? Is it going 222 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 4: to be a problem for him? Because you know, in 223 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: usc usc he really wasn't in that sort of bubble. 224 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: Usc is different than some of the big football schools. 225 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: He wasn't Oklahoma, but you know, really at Oklahoma he 226 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 4: was just a new phenom and then he was gone. 227 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: You know. 228 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 4: So that's that's definitely been part of the equation for 229 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: for for Ryan Poles and Matti Ebraflus and the guys 230 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: there in Chicago as they've you know, dug into the 231 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: background on Caleb Williams, is you know, just how equipped 232 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: is he to handle everything that's going to come with 233 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 4: being the Bears quarterback as a result of you know, 234 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: the market that Chicago is. 235 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: It's it feels like there's only a handful of those 236 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: in the league where the market can kind of dictate 237 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: things in the fans. If Philly, Boston, New York, that 238 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: New York order a DC to an extent, and then 239 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: I think Chicago would kind of be the only other one. 240 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: I don't know, it just does. 241 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a few others. 242 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Cleveland's like that, Like Cleveland's like 243 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: Cleveland's very intense, and. 244 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: That team is covered in Pittsburgh is the same way. 245 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would say Midwest, you know, Northeast, like 246 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: the pro sports markets. Yeah, I mean, I think, but 247 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: Chicago is certainly in that group, if not at the 248 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: top of it, you know, like they're right there with 249 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: Philly as far as the intensity with which the team 250 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: is covered and even maybe more so than Philly because 251 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: they haven't, you know, wanted a high level consistently in 252 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: a long long time. So there's a lot of healthy 253 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: skepticism in Chicago about every decision the Bears make, about 254 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: every you know, every every every game they lose, like 255 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 4: everything there is met with skepticism, and that's part of 256 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: the deal with being the quarterback there, and so yeah, 257 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: that's absolutely part of the part of what they were 258 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: looking at with Caleb and his readiness to be a problem. 259 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: All right, So two years let's move on from Caleb. 260 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: Two years ago, Drake May starts to blow up. Oh, Drake, 261 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: he's going to be number two. He's definitely number two 262 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: behind Caleb with Oh he's this guy's a superstar. Last 263 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: year Drake made great player. Oh he got his receiver. 264 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: I think tes Table or whatever's name is Walker, thank you? 265 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: Oh geez, Drake make dominant, dominant. And now here we 266 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: go in the months leading. Oh, here comes Jayden Daniels 267 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: from the outside. Oh, Jayden Daniels, now better fit with 268 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: Cliff King three. And I'll be honest, I think a 269 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: lot of it's silly that the Cliff Jayden thing is 270 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: weird because it's like, what team is drafting a quarterback 271 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: based on their offensive coordinator? Like, come on that that 272 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: could be gone in two years. I'm just calling b Yeah. 273 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: I don't think it's just that, though. I don't think 274 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: it's just Cliff though. 275 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: Oh, Like I think it's also like Dan Quinn and 276 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: like you know, I think for a defensive head coach, 277 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: and you always hear this is that the defensive head 278 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: coach is usually going to go for the guy that's 279 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: most difficult to defend. And you know that's just sort 280 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: of like baked into their DNA. 281 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 2: It's you know, who was good. Who's going to keep 282 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 2: me at the. 283 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: Facility late on a Wednesday trying to game plan right, 284 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: And like I think Jayden Daniels is that guy. And 285 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: I think if you're dan Quinn, like and this isn't 286 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: like you know, I think we all know for for 287 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: for various reasons, he fits what Cliff's wanted in a 288 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: quarterbacks traditionally. But for dan Quinn, like, part of it 289 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 4: is who is going to give me the most trouble? 290 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 4: Like if this guy is on another team, who is 291 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 4: going to be the biggest problem for me? And because 292 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 4: of what Jayden Daniels can do in the run game, 293 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 4: And this is the way it is for a lot 294 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: of defensive coordinators having to deal with like that math 295 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: problem that a running quarterback gives you on top of 296 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: the fact that he's like a pretty high level pass 297 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: or two. You know, if you're dan you like look 298 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: at it, you say, okay, like now I'm putting this 299 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: together for the run game, and I've got to, you know, 300 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: deal with this off of the run game in the 301 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: passing game. And you know, so like that's part of 302 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: it too, is having a defensive head coach can impact that. 303 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: And then it goes beyond just how good a player, 304 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 4: how good a player he is, It goes to how 305 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 4: hard a player he's going to be for the other 306 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: team to defend. 307 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so I looked at it differently, and tell me 308 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: if this is asinine. Dan Quinn had a lot of 309 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: success in Seattle, obviously, legion of boom led by the defense. 310 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: Russ was not a game manager, but somewhere between game 311 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: manager and star. I thought he was really good. And 312 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: then he goes to Atlanta, he gets a star quarterback, 313 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: a pocket guy, and he goes all the way to 314 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Then he goes to Dallas and he's 315 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: got you know, again, not quite Rouss, but someone above 316 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: a game manager and Dak and the defense kind of 317 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: carried him last year and then it didn't in the end, 318 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: and dan Quinn is own has seen his biggest success 319 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: with a pocket quarterback, pure pocket, right, does that factor in? 320 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: And like Drake may to me looks more than maybe Ryan, 321 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: then Jaden Daniels looks like Russ or or Dak. 322 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I think it's more like about the ceiling though, 323 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: And like what you're looking at in the NFL now, 324 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 4: if you want to compete at the highest level, and 325 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: you know, I think what it comes down to for 326 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: most of these teams is like at some point, you've 327 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: got to take that big swing. 328 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: And you know, this maybe applies less. 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: To teams in the NFC than the AFC, but you 330 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: know there's a group of teams that have quarterbacks like 331 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: that that are just a cut above, right, like where 332 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: if they lose a receiver or alignment or they're a 333 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 4: little less on defense, they can still kind of load 334 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: you on their back. And a big part of that 335 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: to having the physical ability to do that, having the 336 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: physical ability to put a team on your shoulders. 337 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: And so who are we talking about. 338 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: We're talking about Josh Allen, We're talking about Patrick Mahomes, 339 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, justin Herbert Lamar Jackson. 340 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: Like, if you're one of these other teams, how do 341 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: you scale that mountain? 342 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: And you know, are you going to be at a 343 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: point where two or three years from now you're going 344 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: to look at it and say, yeah. 345 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: We really like what we have right now? 346 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: Like this is the mac Jones problem, right, It's like 347 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: he was really ready to play, and that's great. 348 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: Are you going to be looking to replace him in 349 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: three or four years? 350 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 4: In fact, Jared Goff as good as he is, like 351 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: the Rams came to the conclusion where they had to 352 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: level up from him, you know, and Goff is a 353 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: really good quarterback, you know. So that's part of the 354 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: equation for all of these teams too, where it's like 355 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: do I pick the ceiling guy? 356 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: And I actually think that's where Drake May like could. 357 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: Be the guy for some of these teams, right, like 358 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: where Drake May is the one who has the highest 359 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: ceiling outside of Kleb Like, like I think of the 360 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 4: other guys, Drank May is maybe the most raw, but 361 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 4: probably has the highest scene. 362 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big believer in May. 363 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 364 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 365 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 366 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: listen live. 367 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: It's weird. I read your thing about the New York 368 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: Giants and tell me if this is insane. So the Giants, 369 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: we've been hearing rumors no names attached to it, that 370 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: the Giants are looking at quarterback. The bringing in this guy, 371 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: they need a quarterback, they're desperate. They regret Jones. All 372 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: that stuff. You get Joe Shane on the record, correct right, saying, hey, 373 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: we're not wedded to anybody. Rarely, Albert, do you see 374 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: gms come out and almost respond to chattering rumors that's 375 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: out there, especially this close to the draft? Did he 376 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: do it because Daniel Jones is maybe a little pissed 377 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: off and voicing his displeasure to I don't know if 378 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: it's the owner of the coach somebody. 379 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: Hey, no, I think you do it to like tell everybody. 380 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: You're you're leaving your options open, right, like you're doing 381 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 4: to tell everybody, like, hey, if you want to call 382 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: us about making a deal to come up and get 383 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 4: a quarterback, we might listen. Right, You're doing it because 384 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: you want to let other teams know like that maybe 385 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: we're a team you have to. 386 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: Get over to go and get a quarterback. 387 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: Right, Like maybe if you're you know, one of those 388 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: teams like right down there in that alley eleven twelve thirteen, 389 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders, you have to go past 390 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: us to get a quarterback. And in that case, like 391 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: Molik Neighbors or Marvin Harrison falls to you, right, Like, 392 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: so there's a number of different reasons you would do it, 393 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 4: but it behooves you to leave your options open if 394 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 4: you're Joe Shane, not just because it will help lead 395 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 4: you to that to the best player, but also how 396 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: it could affect the actions of other teams, whether they're 397 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: calling you or somebody else about moving up. 398 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just find it hard to believe that somebody's 399 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: trading up to six for likely the fourth best quarterback 400 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: in the draft, which is JJ McCarthy. 401 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 4: Maybe I mean that, I like, like so part of 402 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: that is supplying de Man, right, like, so the demand 403 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: for quarterbacks is like always there, and like, I think 404 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: the question becomes, you know, when you're talking about that equation, 405 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 4: how you view the class. And so if you're one 406 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: of those teams that needs a quarterback that's you know, 407 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 4: six picks back, seven picks back, eight picks back, and 408 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: you say to yourself, there's four quarterbacks in this draft 409 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: and then a drop off and we don't look at 410 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 4: Panics the same way we look at McCarthy. 411 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: We don't look at Panics the same way we look. 412 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: At may Well. You know, then like maybe you go 413 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 4: up and get them. Job security can sometimes play into it, 414 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 4: right Like, so I'm not saying any of the three 415 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 4: teams we mentioned had that issue, but you know, in 416 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: a lot of cases, it's well, I got to show 417 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 4: my own or something, and I can't walk away from 418 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 4: this job without taking a swing at a quarterback. So 419 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 4: let's go up and get one. And I think these 420 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 4: four are better than these three. So we need to 421 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 4: get in a position to get the fourth guy, or 422 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 4: at least the fourth guy. 423 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: And then we'll make it work around him. 424 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: You know, there are all these different dynamics that can 425 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: be at work if you're not if you're not in 426 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: position to get the one that you absolutely want. 427 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess this comes down to scouting and your 428 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: player personnel guy, because I'm looking at some of the 429 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: best quarterbacks in the league last year, and Dak Prescott 430 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: went in the finished second in MVP and he was 431 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: a mid round quarterback. Josh Allen went seventh. I think overall, 432 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: what was he second seventh quarterback taken Brockbirdy dead last 433 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: guy in the draft, Mahomes tenth on a trade up. 434 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: Jordan Love I think went like eighteen to twenty four, 435 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: twenty fourth. 436 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: Twenty four or twenty five, maybe twenty five. 437 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: Actually just Jalen Hurts went second round, Lamar Jackson into 438 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 3: the first round. I don't know, Albert, there's no we 439 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: still don't know how to draft quarterbacks. I'm sure the 440 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: league would agree. It just feels a little bit. And 441 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: I like McCarthy, I've been I've had him top ten 442 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: since like November, but I trading up feels a bridge 443 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: too far? Do you are you buying this Minnesota stuff? 444 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: Yeah? I am, I am. 445 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: I think they're comfortable with four of them, Like that's 446 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: that's my sense is that they're like and look like 447 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: I can tell you for a fact, like that trade 448 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: with Houston to get the second first round pick doesn't 449 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: happen if they don't lose Kirk Cousins. So they made 450 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 4: that move with the idea that they were that they were. 451 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: Gonna move up. 452 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 4: Now whether or not they can pull it off is 453 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: obviously another question. But you know, I think they view 454 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: four quarterbacks in the class as as plenty good enough, 455 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 4: and look, their situation is a little different too, Like 456 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: so like if you look at what the young quarterback 457 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 4: is going to be walking into in Minnesota's Christian darisaw 458 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 4: and Brian O'Neill's long term answers at the tackle position, 459 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 4: as Justin Jefferson and Jordan Atison at receivers, T J. 460 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 4: Hawkinson at tight end, and it's Kevin O'Connell, you know, 461 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: Wes Phillips and Josh McCown coaching you. So does a 462 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: guy need to be a superstar in that situation? And 463 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 4: I think that that's a fair question to ask, you 464 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: know so? And I think that that's what we forget 465 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 4: too often too. There are I mean, like, here's here'll 466 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 4: be my question to you. How many guys in your 467 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: lifetime have, like as quarterbacks, have gone to bad teams 468 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: and risen above bad circumstances and made. 469 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 3: It very rare extreme. 470 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: I think Andrew Luck. 471 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: Andrew Luck might be the only one. Were they that bad? 472 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Peyton man, I know they were. 473 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: They stripped the roster downy they were. They were the 474 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: worst team in the league the year before after Mannon 475 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: got hurt, right, and then after you know, like Poleon 476 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 4: and uh and Jim Calbell were fired, they went on 477 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 4: a spree cutting everybody. So if you go back and 478 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: you look at that roster they had, Reggie went at 479 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 4: the very end of his career. They had like t 480 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: Y Hilton as a rookie, I believe Costanzo at left tackle, 481 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 4: but not a whole lot else in the offensive line. 482 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 4: And luck got them to ten wins and so that 483 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 4: was like a pretty extensive rebuild. And luck got them 484 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: to ten wins that first year, made the playoffs, second year, 485 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: got to the division around third year, to the AFC 486 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 4: title game, and then he wound up so beat up 487 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 4: that it trove boy from the sport. 488 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: But like he's the only one. 489 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 4: That's what was so special about luck is luck overcame 490 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: bad circumstances. I mean as great as Mahomes is right like, 491 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: and I'm not saying he wouldn't have made it otherwise. 492 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 4: Went to a situation where he's playing for Andy Reid. 493 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: He's throwing to Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins. He's got 494 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz at the tackle positions, and 495 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: they're in the year year five of their build. 496 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: And Lamar Jackson walked into one of. 497 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 4: The most stable situations in football right, one of the 498 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: most stable organizations maybe in all of sports. Buffalo, like 499 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 4: Josh Allen goes there. They were a playoff team the 500 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: year before he got there, Right, Buffalo traded up from 501 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: the twenties to go and get him, same as Kansas 502 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: City trade up to go and get Mahomes. Burrow's won 503 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 4: where you could make an argument, and he got hurt 504 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: that first year, and then year two he's got Jamar Chase. Yeah, 505 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 4: you know, so, like I like, there aren't a lot 506 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: of guys who if you look at it, like, yes, 507 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: this guy went the top five, went to a bad 508 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: team and the circumstances stayed bad, and like he made 509 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: it like it's really really rare. 510 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to you like, this is just 511 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: one piece of the puzzle. 512 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: You know. 513 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: I was walking off the field, it was it was interesting. 514 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 4: I was walking off the field with the Seahawks coach 515 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 4: like two, I think this last summer. Yeah, it was 516 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: last summer and Gino had just had that had that 517 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: really great year in twenty two, right, and walking off 518 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: the field with him, he said to me, you know, 519 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: coaching Gino has made me wonder how many more guys 520 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: there are out there like this where the guy got 521 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 4: thrown out in the field too early into a bad situation, 522 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 4: got the crap knocked out of him got benched, then 523 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 4: wound up moving around to a few different teams and 524 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 4: really benefited from sitting for five or six years. And 525 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 4: then he comes back and he re emerges as a 526 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: much better player. It's I like, I think the nature 527 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 4: versus nurture thing is very. 528 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: Real, very very very real. 529 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: Well, okay, even Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert was the fifth 530 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 4: pick in the draft, right, yeah, No, like Justin Herbert, 531 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: Justin Herbert like like out of the box is throwing 532 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: to Keenan Allen and Mike Williams now again, like the 533 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: offensive line was a mess. He went through a coach fire, 534 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 4: and so Justin did overcome some things. But I'm really 535 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 4: interested to see what happens now that he's got Jim Harbaugh. 536 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, right, well, he doesn't ever. 537 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: See And I think I just think that there's that 538 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: part of it that we always like we just don't 539 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 4: spend enough time looking at that, you know. Yeah, Like 540 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 4: I've had people, I've had people with the Jets tell 541 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: me like they were they really messed up playing Zach 542 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 4: Wilson as a rookie. The problem is like sometimes it's 543 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 4: what's best for the kid to sit, but when you 544 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 4: get to zero and five, everyone's screaming to throw him 545 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: out in the field, and why aren't you just getting 546 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 4: him the experience? And I want to see him right 547 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: when maybe the best thing for the kid is for 548 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 4: the kid to sip for you. 549 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: That wasn't happening to Mahomes. Nobody was saying should Alex 550 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: Smith when they were like going to the playoffs? Just 551 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: a quick word on Geno Smith. I know the Jets 552 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: are crap organization and do dumb things. You should talk 553 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: to Mark Sinchez about do Youno Smith? He would tell me, 554 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: And I hope I'm not talking out of pocket. Young 555 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: Gino Smith would like show up to team meetings and 556 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: like like hotel slippers and a robe. Right, he was 557 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: like just totally not like he wasn't ready. He wasn't mature. 558 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: Part of it is, But isn't that part of it though? 559 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 2: It's just need to grow up. 560 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: Some people grow up later later that I'm still growing up. 561 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: Like, but that's that's what I'm saying. 562 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: It's like the right environment might have knocked him into shape, right, 563 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: Like the right environment, like all of those little things 564 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 4: who your teammates are, who's coaching you like, what are 565 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 4: your what environment, what culture are you walking into? All 566 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 4: that can affect them? Yeah, I mean they're twenty one, 567 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 4: twenty two years old. I know I was an inconsistent 568 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 4: person where a for sure. 569 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: To put it mildly. 570 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: While we're on the Jets, I gotta say, I know 571 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of movement in the offseason. This 572 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: is undeniable. The Jets have the best roster in the 573 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: AFC East, that's for sure. There's no argument about that. 574 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: The Dolphins lost like five or six starters, The Bills 575 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: lose digs and maybe four or five starters on defense. 576 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: Patriots are trash. Let's be real, it's not just the afcast. 577 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 3: You look up at the starting eleven. I mean the 578 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: Jets added Mike Williams, the three starters on the offensive line, 579 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: They had Kin Law, who was the first round pick 580 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 3: hasn't done much. They add Reddick, they get the kid 581 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: Clark back. I think it's Clark or Adams, one of 582 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: them was hurt and missed all last year. Who they 583 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: were high on. This is a top five roster. It's okay, 584 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: top five league. 585 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: I mean, like now, like part of the problem is 586 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 4: you're relying on older players, right, So if Mike Williams 587 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 4: and Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses In Hassan Reddick get 588 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: hurt and miss chunks of. 589 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: Time, Like no, I'm just tell but I'm just saying. 590 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like if that happens, that's not like 591 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: bad luck, right, Like that's what you signed up for, 592 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: so like. 593 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: That's part of it. 594 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, like there's no question, like they should be 595 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: going for it, and they've got good young players in 596 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: that roster. 597 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: It's like not just the older guys. 598 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 4: They've got a sending guys like Garrett Garrett Wilson, Oli 599 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: Vera Tucker if he can get healthy, Breese Pull, Jermaine Johnson. 600 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: Quentin Williams is down the prime of his career, but 601 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 4: he'd be in that category to Quincy Williams, like Sauce Gardner, 602 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 4: Like these are all guys who are still either right 603 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 4: in the middle of prime of their careers or are 604 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: sending players. So they've got a good amount of guys 605 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: that form the core where these older guys like is 606 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 4: the older these older guys are finishing pieces for them. 607 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 4: They're not like the core of the team. Now, Like again, 608 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 4: staying healthy, can they stay healthy at tackle, because if 609 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 4: I'm them, might probably take a tackle at quite what 610 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: you've already done. 611 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: You would go tackle interesting. 612 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 4: I think I would, Yeah, And I think that's what 613 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 4: Joe Douglas is probably gonna do now. Now part of 614 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: that depends on who falls to you. Like if Joe 615 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: Olt's there right for some weird reason like I don't, 616 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: there's no there's not even a question. You take them, right, 617 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 4: he could be that's your left tackle for the next 618 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 4: ten years. 619 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: Just take them. He won't. 620 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: He won't be there at ten, but he probably won't 621 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: get past five. But like if he gets ten, you 622 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: take him older. Forshanu from Penn State, who's got an 623 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: incredibly high ceiling. 624 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: You think about that, right. 625 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: I think. So I even think that your h Oregon 626 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: State kid you take you consider? 627 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do think. 628 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 4: Like if you look at the Jets right now, it's 629 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: you still want to head your bet, you know what 630 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: I mean, Like that was such a trouble spot for 631 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: you last year, and you know, being able to take 632 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: care of a premium position long term, Like that's like 633 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: a move for post Rogers too, you know what I mean, 634 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: Like Tyrone Smith and Mogan Morgan. Moses isn't going to 635 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 4: be around when Rogers is gone. If you have a 636 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: guy with the tenth pick you take in that position, 637 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: he probably will be. 638 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm largely with you on the Jets. I do 639 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: want to I fast forward on accident past the Bears 640 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: because at nine Roma dounsay, I like him a lot. 641 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: I have him over neighbors, not by much, but I 642 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: like a doomsay. Do you think he's there attendant with 643 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: the Jets entertain him? 644 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because I think the number of quarterbacks 645 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: that go in the top ten could really kind of 646 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: clog things up. So like, let's just like workshop this 647 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 4: Kale to the Bears, Jaden to the Commanders, Let's give 648 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: let's give May to the Patriots. See the Cardinals trade out, 649 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 4: Minnesota comes up, takes JJ four and five, Chargers take. 650 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 3: All, take all over Harrison. 651 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: Maybe we was just like at like, how how how 652 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 4: of Jim Harbaugh's best team? 653 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: I know, but album, hold on, hold on, Look, you 654 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: can play him in a different spot. 655 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: This is the Chargers receiving depth chart as of this woman. 656 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: I know you can find receivers everywhere. Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnson, 657 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: Darius Davis simmy the worst. 658 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: In the league. 659 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: I mean, if you can develop Johnston, who, by the way, 660 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: like beat Jim Harbaugh in a playoff game, Like if 661 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 4: you can, if you can, if you can develop Johnston, 662 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: if you think there's something there, then you have some flexibility. 663 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: And if you look at Jim Harbaugh's teams from Stanford 664 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 4: where they had all those you know, all those guys 665 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 4: who wound up in the NFL, David Dicastro and all 666 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 4: of them right at San Francisco where they had the 667 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: best line. 668 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: In football, Like that was full of first round picks. 669 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: And then you know, you go to Michigan and how 670 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 4: they're lines were, their offensive lines were always his strength. 671 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 4: Like it wouldn't shock me if you see Joe go there. 672 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 4: And then the Giants take Carrison at six, right, So 673 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 4: then you're at seven with the Titans. Do the Titans 674 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 4: go receiver because they've already paid Calvin Ridley, they have 675 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins, right, so they probably go offensive line. 676 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 2: Also, you can see Olu going there. And now all 677 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: of a. 678 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 4: Sudden, you're at eight, and do the Falcons take a 679 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: pass rusher or receiver? 680 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: What do they need? 681 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: They need a pass rusher badly. But I mean, you 682 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: just invested in Kirk coussins, why don't you get another receiver? Right? 683 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: So you could, you could, but then like, oh my god, 684 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 4: neighbors is You're like, if you're the Bears, you're one 685 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: pick from getting Neighbors. 686 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: Holy kay give Allen and Dj Moore. That's sick. 687 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 688 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So look, I think that there's a scenario where 689 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: the receivers could slide. Just a little part of it, too, 690 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 4: is it's just much harder to find tackles and pass 691 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: rushers than it is receivers. And for some teams, like 692 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 4: the equation in their head's going to be, well, we 693 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 4: can get like Lad McConkey in the third round, Like 694 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 4: let's just do that and take a tackle high. 695 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's the same. 696 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's the same, but I'm just saying, 697 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 4: like there's like this that equation where I mean, look 698 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: like even the last few years, right, Nico Collins was 699 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: a fourth rounder, a monros Saint Brown was a third rounder. Right, Uka, 700 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 4: I'm not saying you're gonna get Marvin Harrison in the 701 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 4: third round, but you're gonna get something a lot closer 702 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 4: to that at receiver than you will, you know, getting 703 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: something like that's even close to Joealt in the third 704 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 4: round attack. 705 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, two quick macro things before we go, is Carolina, 706 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 3: do they have something next year with what you've seen 707 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: and heard? Obviously bringing in Canalis to work with Bryce 708 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: Young because otherwise, you know, I we had Bruce Felman 709 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 3: on a couple of weeks ago and he said, if 710 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: Carson Beck, the kid from Georgia, I think that's a name, 711 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: Carson Beck, if he was in this draft, he would 712 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: be the number two pick. He's that good of a prospect. 713 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if he would have been number two, 714 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 4: but I like I can say he would definitely be. 715 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: In the discussion in the top ten. 716 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: Okay ten or so. 717 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 4: Now, like the knock against him if he had come 718 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: out this year would be like the lack of reps 719 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 4: that he just hasn't played enough, right, were becoming a 720 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: very real thing with the Brock party, you know, with 721 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: Brock Purdy and like the benefit he got from playing 722 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: so much. 723 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: And there's analytics out there. I can send to you him 724 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: if you want. 725 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 4: J Mack offline, but there's like analytics out there that 726 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 4: show like that the threshold for quarterbacks coming into the 727 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 4: pros is twenty five starts. It's like, you want to 728 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 4: have at least twenty five starts, and the lack of 729 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 4: successive quarterbacks who don't have twenty five college starts, like 730 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 4: it really sort of falls off a cliff. 731 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: Is that a part of thing? 732 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: It was? 733 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it was, But like there's I mean, there's 734 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: real data that shows this. And you know, I think 735 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 4: Brock would tell you himself. I remember talking to him 736 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 4: about this last summer. Is like a huge part of 737 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 4: his success was the amount of things that he had seen. 738 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 4: He has this huge library and his head of things 739 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: that he's seen because he played so much in college 740 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: and then he'd play like the same defensive coordinator three times, 741 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So now he knows what 742 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 4: it's like somebody like really intensely game planning against you, right, 743 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 4: that knows you inside now, So like I think that's 744 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 4: a very real thing. But Carson Beck, certainly, I think 745 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 4: like he was looked at like maybe he'll come out 746 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 4: he's potentially a top ten type of talent. Yeah, and 747 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 4: I cut off your question, So what were you know? 748 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 3: I was I was basically gonna say, like, is this 749 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 3: the year Like if Canalist doesn't see massive growth from 750 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 3: Bryce Young, do and Carolina Carolina and the Patriots talking 751 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: about in the league. I'm assuming it's Panthers and Patriots 752 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: as of right now fighting for the top two spots 753 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: in the draft next year? Would Carolina press reboot again 754 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: on a quarterback? 755 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 4: I hesitate to do that quite yet because it's early, 756 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 4: but I would just say, like, based on the. 757 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: Impulsivity of the. 758 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 4: Owner there is that probably the right way to put 759 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: how impulsive he's been. If you're Dan Morgan and Dave Canalis, 760 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 4: you don't know how much time you're gonna get. So again, 761 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 4: that's not saying that he's definitely gonna fire somebody after 762 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 4: two years, but like, if it doesn't look great this 763 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 4: year with Bryce Young, do you if you're them, do 764 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 4: you resk going into another year where, yeah, if it 765 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: looks bad again, like maybe the owners looking at you 766 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 4: and saying it's not Bryce Young's fault, it's your fault, 767 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 4: you know, Okay, So like I just like I think 768 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 4: that there's that part of it, like where yeah, I mean, 769 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 4: if they're the worst team in the league, j Mac, 770 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 4: then Bryce probably didn't make a ton of progress. 771 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I would agree. Oh all right, what two 772 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 3: more real? Quick? Uh? Why hasn't two have been paid? 773 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: What's really going on behind the scenes? And would they 774 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: consider Penix in the first round? 775 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 4: I'll be very interested to see if Tuo shows up 776 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 4: next week? What do you mean, Well, they start their 777 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 4: offseason program on Monday, So does he show up or yeah? 778 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: So what are you hearing? Dude? 779 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: Clearly you know something. 780 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 4: So like, I mean, I don't know, but I mean, 781 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 4: if he doesn't show up on Monday, like we sort 782 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 4: of know where things are at. So I just feel 783 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 4: like there's like this brewing thing with some of these 784 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: quarterbacks now, Like the price point of quarterbacks has gotten 785 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 4: to the point where you look at Joe Burrow at 786 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 4: fifty five, you know, right underneath him you got Justin 787 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 4: Herbert and Jalen Hurtz and Lamar Jackson all fifty one 788 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: or more. And you know, I think for the Cowboys 789 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 4: with Dak, the Niners with Purdy, the Dolphins with Tua, 790 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 4: the Packers with Love, it's like, you really like your guy, 791 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 4: but do you like him where you're willing to pay 792 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 4: him that much? 793 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: And you know, I. 794 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 4: I'm not sure we're going to say the game of 795 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 4: like quarterback leapfrog we saw ten years ago. If you remember, 796 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 4: like there was a point I think Drew Brees got paid, 797 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: and then Luck got paid, and then after Luck got paid, 798 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 4: where he was at like twenty four and change. Then 799 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it was like Derek Carr became 800 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 4: the highest past highest paid. Stafford became the highest paid. 801 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 4: Garoppolo became the highest paid. So it was like it 802 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 4: wasn't like even like you had to be in a 803 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: league quarterback, It's just the next starting quarterback that was up, 804 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 4: what would become the highest paid player? 805 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: Is that going to happen? Because the numbers too big? 806 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 807 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 4: Right, So if you're them, if you're if you're San 808 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 4: Francisco or Miami or Green Bay or Dallas, how do 809 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 4: you solve that? 810 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 3: It's starting to feel like a bit of a Mexican standoff? 811 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure you've seen the image as a 812 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 3: guy pointing a gun at a guy and another guy's 813 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 3: pointing in it in like a circle. It's like Tua 814 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 3: Dak Jordan Love. It's like nobody wants to fire first 815 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 3: because they're going to end up looking like idiots and overpaying? 816 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: Right? 817 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 3: Is there anybody else besides those three who were expected 818 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 3: to get well? 819 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 4: And if you're like one of those guys too, if 820 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 4: you're like the agent for one of those players, do 821 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 4: you want to go first? 822 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 2: If it's not. 823 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 3: Like if you look back, if it's fifty six Baker's deal, 824 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 3: Baker's deal is not incredible? 825 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 2: No, no, I mean but but and that's the B 826 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: level contract. 827 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 4: So how do you decipher, like who is like the 828 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 4: Baker Kirk Cousins, like Daniel Jones, right, and who's Joe Burrow? 829 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: And you know, none of these guys are gonna want 830 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: to concede that they're not that they're less than the 831 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: guys at the very top. 832 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 3: Now you can't. Jordan Love cannot walk to the table 833 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 3: and come away with less than Kirk Cousins. 834 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 4: No way, right, right, right right. And he played really 835 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 4: well at the end of last year, so he deserves 836 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 4: to be paid. The Packers want to pay him, you know, 837 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 4: the Packers want to reward him this offseason. I just 838 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 4: think it's tricky and how you do that because like 839 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 4: who he's being compared with is like a guy who 840 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 4: went to the Super Bowl in his second ear has 841 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: changed the face of a franchise and Joe. 842 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 3: Burrow so this is the this is what I love, 843 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 3: and we're reaching that point. You made a point like 844 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 3: there's gonna be a correction, and I wonder if Miami's 845 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 3: the test case. Hey man, we were awesome with TUA, 846 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 3: but you know what, we can't pay you fifty mils. Sorry, 847 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 3: we're gonna go. Well, we were gonna reboot the positions 848 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 3: and move on. 849 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 2: Here's the bigger question. Does anyone have the balls to 850 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: churn in that position? 851 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: Because like we've seen in the past where general managers 852 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 4: and coaches have been willing to churn other positions. 853 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 2: Oh I lose an all pro guard. I'll find another one. 854 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: There's a linebacker. We really love him, right, like C. J. 855 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: Mosley with the Ravens. 856 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: Like love C. J. 857 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 4: Mosley and the Ravens did. He was a perfect program 858 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 4: fit for them and everything else. But he got to 859 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 4: the market and that Jets paid him too much. So 860 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 4: we'll find a new one, right, Does anyone have the 861 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 4: balls to do that? 862 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 3: In Coutant, I would love to see it, And like I. 863 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 4: Remember having this discussion, Seattle actually considered this at one 864 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 4: point early in Russell Wilson's career where this was a 865 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 4: discussion point for them. It's like, do we pay him 866 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 4: everything he wants? Or can we churn in that position? 867 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 4: Because they knew they were going to have to pay 868 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 4: all the other guys, right, Wagner and Chancellor and Sherman 869 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 4: and Thomas and all those guys. 870 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: April Bennett like they. 871 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 4: Knew, like Lynch like they knew were We've got a 872 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 4: lot of mouths to feed. So instead of instead of 873 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 4: like churning one of these other positions, do we chair 874 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 4: in quarterback? Now they didn't wind up doing. It would 875 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 4: take real balls for someone to try to churn that position. 876 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see if that team is out 877 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 4: there in this group we've been talking about. 878 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a big one. Now, you would need 879 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 3: somebody with job security. 880 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 4: I mean Minnesota is doing add to a degree, right, Well, 881 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 4: they had a newse. They didn't just give Kirk everything 882 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 4: he wanted. 883 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 3: That's fair, but he wasn't home grown. He was kind 884 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: of brought in. Tua's homegrown, Jordan Love is homegrown. Who 885 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 3: is the other guy? 886 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 4: Dak is homegrown? And then Brock is her and Brown 887 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 4: homegrown they're all homeo grown. Yeah, so it's a little different. 888 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 2: I could see her. 889 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: Nobody would blink if they moved off Brock, but Tua 890 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 3: was like a top five pick. Yeah, that would be shot. 891 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 3: I think that's what the NFL need. Did way. I've 892 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 3: kept you too long, Arb Brier, great stuff as always, 893 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: Sports illustrated, still alive in kicking. Uh love s I 894 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 3: love all right, buddy, take it easy, thanks man,