1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much 11 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: for joining me for session three thirty eight of the 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: conversation after a word from our sponsors introducing our new 14 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girl's holiday gift collection. Our new ensemble 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: of drinkwaar totes, journals and sweaters were made to remind 16 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: you of the importance of centering your mental health. Purchase 17 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: your tvg gifts at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash shop. 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, y'all, remember to take good care and give 19 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: good gifts. As we eagerly anticipate the upcoming musical adaptation 20 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: of the Color Purple. I'm sure I'm not alone in 21 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: deciding to rewatch the original film in preparation, and whoa, 22 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did. From the iconic sisterhood between 23 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: Celi and Nettie, the show stopping beauty of sug and 24 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: the lessons we learn in trauma and resilience, it's clear 25 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: why this film still resonates with so many of us today. 26 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I spent some time for this episode with TVG's community 27 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: assistant Naisha, to discuss our memories of watching the original film, 28 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: our favorite characters and moments, and what we're looking forward 29 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: to in the upcoming adaptation. 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Here's our conversation. 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for joining me 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: again today, Niasha, Doctor Joey. 37 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: I'm excited to get into the subject to the topic. 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 39 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it's always so fun to have the team with 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: me to chat about things that are happening in pop culture. 41 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: We were last chatting about the Renaissance. So many of 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: you will remember Naisha from that the Nation. If you 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: would just introduce yourself and tell people which do on 44 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: the team. 45 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so hi everyone, I'm Naisha. I'm the community assistant 46 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: here with TVG and I helped run our sister Circle 47 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful for the TBG community. 48 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So we are both anxiously anticipating the release 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: of the Color Purple film that would be coming out 50 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: on Christmas Day, and so we took this opportunity this 51 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: week the past couple of weeks to rewatch the original. 52 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: So I'm curious to hear from you now you show 53 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: what were your memories of watching The Color Purple the 54 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: first time? 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I was young, unfortunately. I remember the 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: just the tough moments, the rough moments, and of course, 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, social media popularize the negativity and it's so crazy. 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: I remember when I saw Seay spitting in a cup 59 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: and I was like, that is so bad. Why would 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: she do that? I thought it was a family member 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: she was talking to, and I was like, why would 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: you do that to a family member? So, just like 63 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: the small clips and then you know the things that 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: are on social media. So I'm so happy I took 65 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: the time to watch it again. 66 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: I don't remember how old I was when it originally 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: came out, but I don't remember like fully seeing the 68 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: film in its entirety. I feel like I saw bits 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: and pieces here and there. I think it used to 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: come on BET pretty frequently, and so I think I 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: would catch clips, but I don't know that I had 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: ever sat down to like watch the film, and so, 73 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: like you, I took the opportunity to watch it for 74 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: the first time in a long time, I guess, and 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: it was really struck by the storyline. And you know, again, 76 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: I had seen like some of the more popular clips 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: and those things that people repeat very often. But it 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: was very interesting, I think, to see the film in 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: its entirety, especially as an adult. Okay, so, since you 80 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: watched the film recently, if there was one clip or 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: scene that you feel like was really memorable for you, 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: what would you say it would be? 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as I was watching it, the part when 84 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: shook Avery came and mister was just enthralled by her 85 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: being in his presence and he was trying to cook 86 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: and this is when Seeley sat down. She was like, 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: mm hm, you're gonna try to work that catchen yourself. 88 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: I ain't doing or nothing. And I feel like that 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: was her moment, so like she knows. She's like, I 90 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: got this, I know what I'm doing, but now I'm 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: gonna look at you. You're treating someone else way better 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: than you treated me, so let me see what you 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: can do about this. And then it was so funny 94 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: he grabbed the keroscene because he couldn't light up the 95 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: stove and she was like, oh, I'm out of here. 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: And so that overall that moment, and again I've seen 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: that on social media with her just smiling, but since 98 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: I had not seen the film and so long, I 99 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: didn't really remember what that was symbolizing. So that was 100 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: just her moment like you know, you're not as powerful 101 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: as you think you are. That's how I don't. 102 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel like Shug was also part of 103 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: one of my favorite clips from the movie. One of 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: my favorite scenes was her singing the song to Seely 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: and the Duke Joint. 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: I guess right. 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: I just thought that was a really beautiful moment and 108 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: an example of her rely seeing Seely for who she was. 109 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: I feel like only in her experience with Shug was 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: she really seen as an individual since she had been 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: separated from Neddie, and so I just. 112 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: Said that there was a beautiful point of pen for 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: them both. 114 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: It definitely seemed like they got off to a rocky 115 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: start right when she first was introduced to the family, 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: but then seeing how their relationship grew and how she 117 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: really had admiration and love for her by singing that song, 118 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: I thought it was just a beautiful moment in the film. 119 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: Agreed one hundred percent. And as you mentioned, you know, 120 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: it was a little rocky, but sug Mansion. She was like, 121 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: I was just jealous of you because you were with 122 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: mister also known as Albert, which I thought was also funny. 123 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: She was like, Albert, who's this? So she was just like, 124 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: it's all love. I was just jealous, And you know, 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: of course, coming off of the highest sisterhood heels out 126 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: such of this later on. But the movie was full 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: of sisterhood, and I didn't realize that. I only took 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: away the negative parts because of course the media and 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: social media, but everything was just love through black women, 130 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful I got to experience that now, 131 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: and I'm excited. I didn't think I would be leaving 132 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: my house on Christmas Day, but maybe if I got right, maybe. 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 4: You gotta check it out. You gotta check it out right. 134 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: So one thing that I did want to check in 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: with you about just to see what you made of 136 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: this moment. So when Shu gets first introduced into the film, 137 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: it seems like she is like in her room as 138 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: a recluse for a couple of days, which to me 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: pointed to maybe some mental health concerns going on. 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: What did you make of that? 141 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: What did you think was going on there? 142 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, So immediately when she came in, I'm like, oh 143 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: my gosh, she got off tour, she had a rough night. 144 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: I was just giving her the benefit of the doubt. 145 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: But when Mssu's dad came in the picture, he was like, 146 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: what are you doing with her? Nobody wants her. So 147 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: then it made me put it connected together, like she's 148 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: just she needs a moment to recoup, she's trying to 149 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: find herself. She's always on stage. Is that truly her 150 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: character on stage? I was making this up in my head, 151 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: but just because we don't have we didn't know behind 152 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: the scenes of her life. Truly, we were just going 153 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: by what the rumors were within the town. So made 154 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: her moment and then Ceely was happy to take care 155 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: of her because she was showing her love. And that's 156 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: kind of when their relationship as far as sisters began. 157 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 2: Right right, So what did you think was the story 158 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: behind why her and mister did not actually get together? 159 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: Because it seemed like she was interested. You know, I 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: think she made a comment about if I would have 161 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: married anybody, it would have been him. And clearly he 162 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: still has this like un dying love for her and 163 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: like really sees her as. 164 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: The one that got away. So why do you think 165 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 4: they didn't. 166 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Ever actually get married or get together? 167 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: And this I didn't even think about that when she 168 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: did come back with her husband, obviously you could tell 169 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: this this guy who's I don't know, has more money 170 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: than mister. I'm not sure, but maybe mister had he 171 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: had a bunch of children, He had a bunch of children, 172 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: you know, he had his wife. Maybe because he has 173 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: so much children here, you know, who's gonna watch his children? 174 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: And also he was that's the parent in me. But 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: he was also so interested in other younger women. He 176 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: was going to church and when he was ay and Nettie, 177 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: I don't feel like he wasn't on the level that 178 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: she needed. And she's like, but don't worry, I'm going 179 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: to come back for you. This is what I have 180 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: in my mind. She's like, I'm going to come back 181 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: to you and we'll figure it out from there. Maybe 182 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: got it, got it. 183 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: So we talked about some of our most memorable kind 184 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: of scenes. Who would you say is your favorite character 185 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: from the Hill? 186 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Miss Sophia. Miss Sophia. She wasn't having it. She 187 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: wasn't having it when someone hit her, when someone made 188 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: her upset, and the whole town was like, oh goodness. 189 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: No. 190 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: So when she went to slap the white woman, the 191 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: mayor's wife, I thought she wasn't going to do it, 192 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: but she was like, no, how dare you? Hell no, 193 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: so sorry. She didn't slap the why she punched her 194 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: husband because he slapped her right, thank you. And I 195 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: was like, you did it. You said, you know you're 196 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: going to stand up for yourself because you had to. 197 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: You know, all my life I had to fight. And 198 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 3: she just kept going. So then we saw her in jail, 199 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: we saw her come out, and we just we saw 200 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: her story more than I remember. And then of course 201 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: toward the end, as his father says, the dead has risen, 202 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: and I laughed because I'm like, oh, snap, here she is. 203 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: And she was ready to rekindle that whole household for 204 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: the children and help them and then help Harpo, you know, 205 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: just keep his duke join going. 206 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, sos. Sophia definitely was my favorite in the film too, 207 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: And like you, I hadn't remembered her having such a 208 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: central role in the film, I think because we mostly 209 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: see neddie and Seely in like clips, and so I 210 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: didn't know that Sophia had such a big role. But 211 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: I love that she came in at a time when 212 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: it clearly was not okay for like women to have 213 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: their own thoughts and opinions, and that was like negatively 214 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: but down on. She came in with a very clear 215 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: sense of who she was, which she brought to the 216 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: table and the words people used today, And was really 217 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: looking to Mary Harfall because she genuinely wanted to be 218 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: with him and thought that it was going to be 219 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: like a blending of their families, right, and you know, 220 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: you can see Harfal getting all this awful advice about 221 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: like how to treat her and how to tame her 222 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: so to speak right, and so it really did feel 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: like there were several people Seely included because of how 224 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: she had been treated, thinking that to tame her and 225 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: to break her spirit, the only way to do that 226 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: was through hitting her. And so I love that, even 227 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: during that time when it wasn't okay for women to 228 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: be as assertive as she was, that a character like 229 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: her was a part of the film. Now, sadly we 230 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: saw how she was treated because of that, but I 231 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: did appreciate that they showed her coming in with a 232 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: strong point of view and a strong vantage point. Then, 233 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: like you, it feels like sisterhood has been a few. 234 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: For there before Black Girls. 235 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: This year with the book coming out, the sisterhood between 236 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: Seely and Miss Sofia, I thought was really strong. I 237 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: think we saw it in moments when she and Harper 238 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: were still together, but definitely when Miss Sofia had been 239 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: released from jail and they had this interaction in the 240 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: store and Seely helps her to like get the shopping 241 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: lists together, and then we see that carried out and 242 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, the ways. 243 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: That they took care of one another. 244 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: It felt like throughout the rest of their time together, 245 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: and so I really appreciated Miss Sophia as a character, 246 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: but also the relationship that she had with Seely. 247 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: And it's so funny when you talk about the store scene. 248 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: It reminded me in Sisterhood shameless plug here when you 249 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: said when a parent is in the airport and if 250 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: a black woman is there, they got you. They're going 251 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: to help you out, your daughter or your child. You 252 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: know it's gonna They're gonna be well. So she was 253 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: in the store. This is when her eye, like when 254 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: you know, when she came through left jail, her eye 255 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 3: was just like totally damaged. And Celi saw her in 256 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: the store trying to squint and read the list. She 257 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: was like, I got you. Don't worry. I got you. 258 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: And then when it got in the car, you know, 259 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: after shopping was done and she signed to her, she 260 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: was like, keep your head up, and I was like, yes, 261 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: she's there for you, She's there. And I really enjoyed it, 262 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: and I didn't even remember that at all. 263 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: So I think there have been lots of conversations just around, 264 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 2: like lots of old classics, like the color purple kind 265 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: of getting remade and people have been different feelings, but 266 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: you know, the color purple is one something that feels 267 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: like it has stuck with people for a very long time. 268 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: Like people feel very moved by the original and by 269 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: the musical, and now even the early reactions that we're 270 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: hearing from people who have got a chance to see 271 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: that the movie have really really enjoyed it, and it 272 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: sounds like they're a fresh thin What do you think 273 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: has really made the color purple something that has stuck 274 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: with audiences for so long? 275 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: The character seeing Oprah and of course Whoopy and where 276 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: they are now where they began, because literally that was 277 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: the movie for her and she didn't think she was 278 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: going to get the role. She thought she was too 279 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: fat for the role of Miss Sophia, and she got 280 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: that role. And that was back then, and I look 281 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: at her now so that you know my thoughts. It's 282 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: the characters and you know, just seeing Whoope go and 283 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: just level up in so many different areas. She still 284 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: has her opinion as herself, but that is what made 285 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: her and because of them, that's why black culture is 286 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: so strong. It's because you can start from one place 287 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: and then pivot into so many different businesses and ventures 288 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: and you know, help the COMMUNI in a variety of ways. 289 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: I think about and again, because we both don't have 290 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: the greatest memories of seeing it in real time, it 291 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: definitely feels like it has probably been so impactful to 292 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: people because it probably was one of the first experiences 293 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: of black women's stories and lives being shared on the 294 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: big screen in that way. So I think that there's 295 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: something about out seeing yourself on film in that way 296 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: that I think really is memorable and impactful for people. 297 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people have sadly connections to. 298 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: These characters because there are. 299 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Often histories of assault in our families, or women being 300 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: talked down to, or you know, kind of all. 301 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 4: The fighting that women have to do, right. 302 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: I think that's why the line of till you do 303 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: right by me, ain't no good go come to you 304 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: is often something that we find ourselves repeating, right, because 305 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us have felt in those ways, 306 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: maybe not the same exact experiences, but I think that 307 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: there are lots of experiences in many of our lives 308 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: that feel similar to what we've seen depicted in this movie. 309 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: And I wish doctor Jack and asked this question to 310 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: both of my grandmothers. One grandmother, she saw it on 311 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: Broadway and she with Fantasia. She was so excited. She 312 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: had the playbills actually signed. I believe I have it 313 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: in my garage. But I would wish I could ask 314 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: her that question, like how did you feel seen the 315 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: movie and how did you feel seeing the Broadway show? 316 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: And what do you think it did for black culture? 317 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: Not even that. I would just ask for that, just 318 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: to keep it simple, because she will probably say, our 319 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: stories are being told on the big screen in nineteen 320 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: eighty five, You know, I would love to ask that. 321 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: Question more from our conversation after the break. 322 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: Something else that I think was impactful and I think 323 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: memorable is that the relationship between Sugar and Sealy, I 324 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: feel like was one of the first experiences we saw 325 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: of like a queer relationship between black women on film. 326 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: Why do you think that was so important? 327 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: It was nineteen eighty five. We brung this up in 328 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: a sister circle. You were not walking into your mother's 329 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: house saying that I have an interest in a woman 330 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: and still be there. Possibly a large majority of women 331 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: would not be able to share this with their father, 332 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: their mother, or their grandmothers. So just seeing it on 333 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: the screen and show the equality in the beginning. It 334 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: was a hint. And I also believe it wasn't a 335 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: romantic relationship. It was like a passionate loving like, you know, 336 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: you even want to hold when we're best friends, we 337 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: want to lock arms with our best friend. I think 338 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: that's how I saw it. I didn't really see it 339 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: as a romantic even a sexualized relationship. I didn't see 340 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: it like that. It was just a loving situation. Even 341 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: we saw when Nettie and Celi were reunited, they kissed 342 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: on the lips, they loved each other. It was just like, 343 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: thank you, I'm feeling braced, thank you, I'm so happy 344 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: to see you. 345 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I agree with you. And I think 346 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: though what it did for Cealy, like should kissing her 347 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: and then having that exchange the way that they did, 348 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: it feels like it did unlock something for her in 349 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: that clearly there had never been these loving feelings towards 350 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: mister right, like that was not at all a loving relationship. 351 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: And so it does feel like the experience which should 352 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: really opened her eyes to somebody can care for me 353 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: in this way, and like I can have this kind 354 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: of connection with somebody else. 355 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: But you know, and I think that was. 356 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: Really depicted well on film, when she was planning to 357 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: leave with Sugar and then like when that moment doesn't 358 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: happen and she just passes out in the street, right, 359 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: So I really think she was holding on to that 360 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: moment to feel something, because it does feel like again. 361 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: Jake was the first person I think that had really 362 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: seen her in that way since the connection between her 363 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: and Eddie had been lost. 364 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was tough for her, she said she 365 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: passed out. She was I was like, go ahead, get 366 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: on and get in the buggy, get on the go ahead, 367 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: go and she couldn't. But then, just because of course 368 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: we know the timeline, I was like, it's okay, y'all 369 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: gonna be reunited. I didn't know how they will be 370 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: reunited because I didn't remember, but you know, eventually it 371 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: came about. 372 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: You mentioned that your grandmother saw the musical. Have you 373 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: seen the musical? 374 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: I did in New York. I saw it three times 375 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: on Broadway. It's so crazy. I saw with Jennifer Hudson 376 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: as Shook Avery and I'm in New York and so 377 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: I used to we stood in line with one of 378 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: the cast members from The Color Purple who played mister 379 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: I don't remember his name, but I feel so bad, 380 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: but he was like, you're gonna enjoy it. And we 381 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 3: stood in line early in the morning. We got orchestra 382 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: seats for like fifty bucks, and I did it three 383 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 3: times and we enjoyed it, and we had a talk 384 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 3: back session with Jennifer Hudson. It was fabulous. My wife 385 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: is a big fan of Jennif Hudson and The Color 386 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: Purple and she didn't even see Beyonce at all, but 387 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: she's like, I'm going to see The Color Purple. 388 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: She's not in her renaissance. 389 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 3: This is a renaissance. 390 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: I love that. So I have not seen the musical, 391 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: so I am curious to see, like how the musical 392 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: is going to be different from the film. So what 393 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: can you share about your experience with the musical and 394 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: how it was different from then what you saw in 395 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: the original film. 396 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: When Celia had a pants shop in the musical, it 397 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: was a big galore, like it was. They made a big, 398 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 3: big thing about it. So you saw Ms. Sophia and 399 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: Harple they tried on pants, but like the women of 400 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: the town, everyone had their size. Because one size fits 401 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: all and it was just so happy for her. So 402 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: they made it bigger in the musical. And then also 403 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: obviously when Shook Avery was performing, that was a big thing. 404 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: For sure. It was musical, so it was it was 405 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: orchestra and it was music, and it was everything there here. 406 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: It was like she didn't have no mic. This is 407 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: what they had. It was just her singing. Obviously it 408 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: was a great performance, but everything was just so much bigger. 409 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: So this is what I look forward to. And even 410 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: seeing like you know, interviews and clips Shook Avery, you know, 411 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: she was it, so I looked forward to seeing that 412 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: and I'm here, Fantasia Brino is singing I'm here when 413 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: Seeli left, she was like, I'm here and not maybe ugly, 414 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 3: I may be a woman, but I'm here. That was 415 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: totally different in the musical. That was the song we 416 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: were standing ovation. So again I look forward to that 417 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: in the musical the revamp, and then Fantasia also said 418 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: that was the hardest part of the movie for her. 419 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: We were in the sister circle. We were watching an 420 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: interview with them and they were like, what was the 421 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: tough moment? And of course they shared the labor you know, 422 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: being up standing up late, but Fantasia said that was 423 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 3: hard because it really hit her and her cast members 424 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: all worked so hard together to bring that to life. 425 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited to see musical version, and I'm 426 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: curious to know whether I will like that one better 427 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: or not, because I do feel like the film it 428 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: feels like a very heavy, serious though there are morements 429 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: of joy and like love and that kind of thing. 430 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: It felt like it was done well on film, and 431 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: so I'm curious to see how that translates to the 432 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: musical version. So I want to know what that's going 433 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: to feel like, if it's going to have that same 434 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: feeling of seriousness, or whether the tone will change a 435 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: little because it's more music added. 436 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: And the benefit of people who cannot watch the film. 437 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: I know a couple of people who could not watch 438 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: it because it was so heavy. I hope the musical 439 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: adaptation helps them and I don't want to say enjoy it, 440 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: but be able to just actually sit down and receive 441 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: such a wonderful project because this is what it is like. 442 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: It really set the stone for black women's stories, so 443 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: I hope it gives When someone shared that with me, 444 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: I said, I hear you, they could not watch it 445 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: because it was so heavy, and that was a different 446 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: experience for me. 447 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 5: Right right, More from our conversation after the break, So. 448 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: We know that for the original film was directed by 449 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg, there was lots of criticism of course him 450 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: being a white man. And so this newest adaptation is 451 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: directed by the Gdanian filmmaker Blitz Basawulee. So what do 452 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: you think will be the different vantage point that he 453 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: will bring to this film that, of course, Stephen Spielberg 454 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: was not able. 455 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: To goodn'tess gracious? I thought it would be an easy question, 456 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: But that's a little tough because I feel like Steven 457 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: Spielberg was such an ally because of the film that 458 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: he put together. And that's hard, doctor, I'm not gonna 459 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: lie to you. That's a little hard outside of just 460 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: updated scenery and more things for the cast to work with. 461 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I also find it interesting that I don't know 462 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: who did the first Broadway adaptation, but it's interesting to 463 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: me that both of these have been like none of 464 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: them have been black women, right, And so it's interesting 465 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: that I'm sure Blitz of course has a very different 466 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: advantage point than Steven Spielberg does, But what would it 467 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: look like for the story to be interpreted through a 468 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: black woman's eyes, and like, what might they do differently? 469 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: I think would be really interesting. 470 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure Oprah had a really big stamp on a 471 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: good portch because people want to honor her character as 472 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 3: well as Whoope. I'm not sure how much will be 473 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: attributed to the direction portion. I don't think much, but 474 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: I know Oprah she was a part of behind the 475 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: scenes very much so, so right, it's them together in 476 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 3: my eyes because I was looking more of it on 477 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Oprah Sam. 478 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: Very good point. 479 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she has clearly been very involved in the promotion 480 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: of it, for sure, and I'm sure in making sure 481 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: that the film kept the spirit of what they wanted 482 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: to share. So we've already touched on this a little bit. 483 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: But there are clearly some very big, heavy hitters that 484 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: they've casted for this new adaptation. So Hayle Bailey, isn't 485 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: it her? We already talked about Fantasia Danielle Brooks, So. 486 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 4: Who are you I was looking forward to? 487 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: You said you liked the Fantasious song on when you 488 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 2: saw it on Broadway. 489 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: Are you looking forward to that again or something else. 490 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: So, oh my goodness, Daniel Brooks. She did such a 491 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: great job as Sophia on Broadway, and I pulled up 492 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: the cast really quick because I was looking. I was like, 493 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 3: where does her come in? She's squeaked. I'm looking forward 494 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: to it because I've never seen her perform. But I 495 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: don't want to be biased, but the top three characters 496 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 3: Miss Sophia, Nettie, and Sealy Shuck. Avery was Jennifer Hudson 497 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: on Broadway, but definitely Taraji. I haven't seen her in 498 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: this role. She's always well, yeah, she's always a headhunter 499 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 3: in some type of way, but just being you know, 500 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: just being in another role. I'm excited. 501 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for all of it. 502 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: Like I said, because I have not seen the musical, 503 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 2: I think the casting has been superbed. It feels like 504 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: great choices for the cast, and I really am enjoying 505 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: seeing how the cast has grown as a family unit. 506 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: It feels like in a lot of ways through the 507 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: press runs and I'm sure through the filming. I I'm 508 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: so so excited that the strike is over because people 509 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: are getting paid with their worth and that the writers 510 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: seem happy, and that the actors seem happy. But I'm 511 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 2: also really glad that we're actually getting to have a 512 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: pressure run for this film, because it feels like it 513 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: deserves to have that base to really be celebrated and 514 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: for people to get really excited about it, and so 515 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm really glad that we've been able to kind of 516 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: see them do the interviews in the traditional ways that 517 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: we typically see the actors do pressure runs. So I 518 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: don't know that there's any one person that I'm excited 519 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: about seeing. I think I'm just excited to see what 520 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: the musical version feels like versus the film adaptation. 521 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 3: Undred percent, and I look forward to seeing the nominations. 522 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: They already got some nominations. I said, Wow, that was 523 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: behind the scenes we didn't even see, right, right. 524 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I guess I don't know enough about how 525 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: timelines work in terms of stuff being insered because it 526 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: isn't out for the public yet. But maybe because they'd 527 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: had so many advanced screenings it qualifies. I guess. I'm 528 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: not sure. 529 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't sure, but I was like, Okay, good 530 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: for them. So I'm looking forward to more because this 531 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: is to just put the step up above for all 532 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: the cast members. And I wanted to touch on something 533 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: I was in the Sister circle. We were looking at 534 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: three different interviews together. Daniel Brooks said, you know, she 535 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 3: definitely came about on Orange and Black cheers. I'm so 536 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: happy for her, and I was an extra Orange and 537 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: Black for a couple of seasons. So seeing them, it's 538 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: like great, Like now so her, they're so hor on 539 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: Broadway and now I'm going to see her here again. 540 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: She said she felt like an imposter when she was 541 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: nominated for which was it a Golden Globe? 542 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: The Golden Globe. 543 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: Nominated for a Golden Globe. She said she called out 544 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: the next day sick because she was nauseous, and Oprah 545 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: said why she was like, because I thought she was 546 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: like she had imposter syndrome. And again in the Sister's Circle, 547 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 3: we were like, it's not just us. Celebrities have it too, 548 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: this is not just us. I'm happy she shared that 549 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: with us and being what she was vulnerable. It was 550 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: an interview with Oprah and Gail and the rest of 551 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: the team, and it was like, wow, you know you 552 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: got this. 553 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't seen that interview, but I appreciate you 554 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: sharing that because you're right like I do feel like 555 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: with every new level, some of that same doubt creeps in, Right, 556 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, I've done smaller things and maybe 557 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: I feel comfortable there, but now clearly her platform is 558 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: much larger, her star has risen much higher, and so 559 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: she's introduced to a whole new audience of people. 560 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: And so I think it. 561 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: Is normal sometimes said that, like, oh, do I really 562 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: deserve this, or do I really. 563 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: Know what I'm doing? 564 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: But again, from all of the early accounts I have seen, 565 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: people have loved it, have loved the cast, They have 566 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: really appreciated the adaptation, even though it was already adapted 567 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: into the musical. I think this is another version of 568 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: an adaptation, and so it feels like they've done some 569 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: really cool things with it. And so I'm just really 570 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: glad that they are being celebrated in the ways that 571 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: they deserve for again having a black woman's story, a 572 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 2: story about black women that really censors I experiences in 573 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: the limelight in this way, I'm. 574 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: So excited for them. We had Beyonce, we got the 575 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: color purple. Let's top up the charts. Okay, so just 576 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: to see, you know, our faces and the theater is 577 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: at this level. I'm so excited. 578 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: The other thing that I'm thinking about is are there 579 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: other films maybe from that eighties early nineties genre that 580 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: you think or do for the remake or some kind 581 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 2: of new adaptation. 582 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, if Beal Street could Talk, If Bill Street could Talk, 583 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: one hundred and over was in that. But because again, 584 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: the sisterhood and just the stories that were told on 585 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: Beal Street, let's bring it back and doctor joy. Let's 586 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: see if this is going to really come, if it's 587 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: going to happen, because it deserves too, because black women 588 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: hold one another down, and sometimes I feel like, you know, 589 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 3: with reality TV, we don't honor it so much, we 590 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: do hold one another down. We see the negativity very 591 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: often with reality TV shows sometimes. So I'm like, let's 592 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: see the joy of black sisterhood. So if Bill Street 593 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: could talk, in my mind, that would be a good one. 594 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: See I think mine would be waiting to exhale. And 595 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: I feel like we've had versions of it right and 596 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: I feel like even Insecure was a little bit of this, 597 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: But Insecure was a sitcom, so we got twenty twenty 598 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 2: five minute episodes. I would love to see a longer 599 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: version of what would those four women look like if 600 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: they were placed in the twenty twenties, right, and how 601 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: would their relationships be. While I think there are opportunities 602 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: for us to kind of remake some of our Black 603 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 2: women classics, I also hope that other films get an 604 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: opportunity to be made right because new stories are also important, right, 605 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: And I just think that there's so much to say 606 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: from the black women's vantage point. There are so many 607 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: things that I think have gone unexplored about the interior 608 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: pieces of our lives that I really hope get some 609 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: new shine so that there can be more, like there 610 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: can be more of a celebration of the fullness of 611 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: who we are as Black women, and not just like 612 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: only the pieces about trauma or only the pieces of 613 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: our relationships, but but you know, all the things that 614 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: I think really go to make up our lives. 615 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: I'm ready, like overall, when it comes to a Black 616 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: woman on screen, I'm excited. Like I remember when The 617 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: Other Black Girl came out on Hulu. Everybody's on it. 618 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: Now I can say not everybody enjoy it all, But 619 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm happy that we had the chance and opportunity. And 620 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: I feel bad for saying that, but just. 621 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: See that's the thing. I think when there is more 622 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: of the stuff made, then it's okay for us to 623 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: say like, oh, we didn't like this as much, right. 624 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: But I think because we are so protective of the 625 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: few things that we have, it feels like you don't 626 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: want to like say like, oh, I don't know that 627 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: I love that so much. But I think that's why 628 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: we need a variety of So it's to be told 629 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: because everything is not for everybody, right, And so with 630 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: more stories being told, then we can have an opportunity 631 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: to see ourselves and have content that we really enjoy. 632 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: Thank you for making me feel better about that, because 633 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: that's what it is. It's like, no, but since I 634 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: got you, but it wasn't really my realm. But I 635 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: know there's so much more common, So I'm ready let's 636 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: do it. 637 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: So we've touched on this a little bit, but I 638 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: am curious to hear if there are any other sisterhood 639 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: moments that felt really poignant to you from the color 640 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: purple that you want to make sure to highlight. 641 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so again, going back to Sophia when she was 642 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: like it was time for her to leave harpall all 643 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: the women and they didn't have really speaking roles. All 644 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: the women, they were getting her children. And then when 645 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: she was let go from jail and she got to 646 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: go visit her family for like an hour on christ 647 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: not even it wasn't even an hour on Christmas, and 648 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: they were all there and welcoming her, and it was like, 649 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: this is that sisterhood they got one another. And then 650 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: when we saw shook Avery. I know, I'm jumping around 651 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: when we saw Shook Avery, of course to show that 652 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: Ceely she got it within her, she can literally live 653 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: up to her potential. That was like boom sisterhood. And 654 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: then we saw that all of them were in the 655 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: house at the end when Nettie and Celly were reunited, 656 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: it was like, look at all this. I want that 657 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: picture on my wall because that was something like that. 658 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, that is just joy right there. 659 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: And we see snippets of individual experiences they had outside 660 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: of the woman who were helping miss Sofia, which I 661 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: thought they were very important to the film. 662 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think that dinner scene when 663 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: Celia feels like finally finds her voice, right, like she's 664 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: found all these letters that Neddie has written her. There 665 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: clearly she didn't know that all of that was still happening. 666 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: She didn't know that all these letters have been hidden 667 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: from her and once she is able to read those 668 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: through Should's assistance. Right, I really feel like that set 669 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: off this beautiful domino effect because I feel like Should 670 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: was somebody who had the opportunity to kind of lean 671 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: into the fullness of who she was. 672 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: Right. 673 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: She was able to step into her gifts and go 674 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: on tour, which means she had been exposed to lots 675 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: of different things, whereas Celia, it feels like, had never 676 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: left her really small town, had not gotten the opportunity 677 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: that she was able to come back and share a 678 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: little bit of that with her, which then allowed Celi 679 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: to speak up at the dinners, And then we see 680 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: Harpo's then wife beside like, Hey, I want to go 681 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: be a singer too, Like I have gifts I want 682 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: to share. 683 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: And so to me, it just. 684 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 2: Reminded me of how important it is for us to 685 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: share our experience and share our voices in the interest 686 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: of like sharing our own stories, but also because we 687 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: never know what it is unlocking for someone else. Right, 688 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: And so I just felt like that was a beautiful 689 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: kind of domino effect of you being who you are 690 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: so that other people feel emboldened to be who they 691 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: are and just step out on faith in those same ways. 692 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I realized there was so much in the movie. 693 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: I didn't even like think about that to you know, 694 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: share that. So when you share, that made me think, 695 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: oh my god. It was her name Mary Squeak, her 696 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: real name, Like her name was Squeak, but because it's 697 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: because the men called her Squeak, I'm very confident she 698 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: didn't give herself that name. So she was finding her voice. 699 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 3: I was like, look at that, and they're all going together, 700 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: you know. No one was like you can't come with me, sis, No, 701 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: it's like you want to go, let's go. And then 702 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: the men were looking at they were like what you know, 703 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: what is happening here? So it was just like that 704 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: joy It's all I spread throughout the characters. And then 705 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: I was interesting. I questioned. I was like, why was 706 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: Sophia don't want to go? She was confused at sitting 707 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: at the table, and then when she finally came back, 708 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: I was like, she didn't want to go. Maybe I 709 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: feel like she she wanted to stay with Harpo. So 710 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: I get well. Actually, I was like, is she going 711 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: to go back to Harpo? So it was a little 712 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: confusing to me. I was like, are they back together? 713 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: Because remember when she was cleaning the glass in the 714 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: juke joint, Mister was like, it's so nice to see 715 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: you two together, and she was. I didn't say all that, but. 716 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: It did feel like by the end, like when they 717 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: were trying on the pants in the pan shop, it 718 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: definitely felt like they were together. And I do think 719 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: though this could have been an opportunity. Now, clearly the 720 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: ways that Harpo had treated and Sofia was awful, but 721 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: it does feel like so much of that was like 722 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: not really a part of Harpo. It was because other 723 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: people told him, like, this is what a man is right, 724 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: and this is how you take care of your woman 725 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: and how you tame her. And so it does feel 726 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: like maybe they had been able to come back together 727 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: in ways that were healthy by. 728 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: The end and clearly learned that this is. 729 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: How you are in relationship with one another, not as 730 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: a domineering kind of forced over her. Right. 731 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so tefinitely it was not his goal to hurt her, 732 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: but his down from him started from his grandfather. You know, 733 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 3: his grandfather told his father, this is what you do, 734 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: and his father took that very serious and his father 735 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: was like, this is what you do. And then again 736 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: we said in the beginning, seay, this is all she knew. 737 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: So although she was building somewhat of a relationship with 738 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: Miss Sofia, she said what she knew. So yeah, she was. Man, 739 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed her storyline. Again, didn't really remember it. 740 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 3: And then going back to the musical when Nettie was 741 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 3: in Africa, in the musical on Broadway, they just the 742 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: sound and the music and they had real instruments. It 743 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: was like, this is amazing. So that's why I do 744 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 3: also look forward to so like the letters were being 745 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 3: read just sharing information about the tribe. I was like, 746 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 3: this is awesome, we actually have this. That's the only 747 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: album sand Board from the iTunes, the color purple. 748 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure you know, everything has gotten bigger, 749 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: technology has gotten better. 750 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 4: Who knows, they probably were. 751 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: Like a live instrumentation, and you know, I know that 752 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: we are going to be in for a treat who 753 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: this newest adaptation. So I'm just so excited for you 754 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: to see in for all of our community to check 755 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: it out so that people can share their thoughts and 756 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: responses to the new film as well. 757 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: Agreed. Now, I was questioning. I was, am I gonna 758 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 3: wear purple to the move if I go to the 759 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 3: movies to see I was like, because when Oprah, we'll 760 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 3: see people in and purple. She say thank you so 761 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: much for in purple, Thank you so much. And they 762 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: also said, you know in the movie, you can't can't 763 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 3: walk past the color purple and not smile. It's like, Okay, 764 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 3: I don't have that much purple, but I can figure 765 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 3: it out. 766 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: You can figure it out. 767 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 2: I mean, if we figured out the silver for we 768 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: can surely get some purple together for sure. 769 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: So I look forward to seeing it. I may not 770 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: see it on Christmas Day, but I know I'll be 771 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 3: ready for it. 772 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for spending some time with me again today. 773 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 2: That you should remind us where we can find you online. 774 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: Oh, you can find me at two Mimi's and the baby. 775 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: It's just parenthood and life there. 776 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, well, thank you again. 777 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jack and Joy. 778 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 5: I'm so glad that night she was able to join 779 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 5: me for this conversation to learn more about her and 780 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 5: her work. Be sure to visit the show notes at 781 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 5: Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash Session three three eight, 782 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 5: and don't forget to text us episodes to two of 783 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 5: your girls right now. If you're looking for a therapist 784 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 5: in your area, check out our therapist directory at Therapy 785 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 5: for Blackgirls dot com slash directory. And if you want 786 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 5: to continue digging into this topic or just be in 787 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 5: community with other sisters, come on over and join us 788 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 5: in the Sister Circle. It's our cozy corner of the 789 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 5: Internet designed just for black women. You can join us 790 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 5: at community dot Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. This episode 791 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 5: was produced by Frida Lucas, Elise Ellis, and Zaria Taylor. 792 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 5: Editing is done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much 793 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 5: for joining me again this week. I look forward to 794 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 5: continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take good care. 795 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: What's