WEBVTT - Why It's Now Illegal to Give Dolphins Acid (For Science)

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio and there.

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<v Speaker 2>She is missed the Lizabid I go gonna save the day.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing there?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty well? Consider my day saved.

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<v Speaker 2>I saved the day for pretty much everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>You do for me, I mean, my day is already

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<v Speaker 3>looking up and now it's saved too.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's not comfortable, this is true. Yah, you make

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<v Speaker 2>the call.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a question for you over there, save her

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<v Speaker 3>and destroyer of worlds?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I do know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Share it with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to do with ranch dressing. You fan a

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<v Speaker 2>ranch dressing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, breathe through it. Okay, here's how I put it.

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<v Speaker 3>I never had ranch dressing until I went to UH

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<v Speaker 3>college and then and then I had it. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, okay, and really the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>I ever eat it with, But it's not true. I

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<v Speaker 3>eat it with pizza because that's how I learned it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I tried to put it any on salads

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<v Speaker 3>when it was the only dressing and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to go with like blue cheese or something, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, huh yeah, Because I grew up my father

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<v Speaker 3>there was just oil and vinegar or Italian dressing, and

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<v Speaker 3>then my mother had like Catalina in French dressing, so

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<v Speaker 3>I never saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we never had ranch at Woodstocks Pizza in Davis, Californy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I learned.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I learned. They give you ranch with the pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what the h am I supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Exactly what the h E? Double hockey sticks

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<v Speaker 2>is this?

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<v Speaker 3>And you're not supposed to drizzle, You're supposed to dip

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<v Speaker 3>dip yearned And then.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is kind of great if the

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<v Speaker 2>pizza is like not not like sparkle tacular anyway. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't put it on a salad. I can't go there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's two thicks anyway. Ranch dressing, that's one thing. Put

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<v Speaker 2>that put a pin in that pen stuff. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever been to Great Wolf Lodge? Do you know what

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<v Speaker 2>that is?

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds familiar. I don't think I have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my understanding that it is like an indoor water park.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, I've seen ads just like kids pee

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<v Speaker 2>in the water. Sure, I think they encourage it. They're

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<v Speaker 2>probably signs.

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<v Speaker 3>They give rewards, little stickers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, there's a rewards program. They have this list

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<v Speaker 2>of where they are located all across the USA. My

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<v Speaker 2>favorite is there's a location in San Francisco slash Mantica, California.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>You something right now, y'all. Mantica is nowhere near San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's you know, don't stop believing anyho So Mountain

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<v Speaker 2>Range Valley. All right? Anyway, what was I saying? Great

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<v Speaker 2>Wolf Lodge Ranch Dressing and you know what I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to now, milkshakes Because the Great Wolf Lodge,

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<v Speaker 2>in honor of Ranch Dressing Day, which was March tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>they started selling a ranch milkshake. It is blended with

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<v Speaker 2>vanilla ice cream and ranch dressing, garnished with Crispy chicken,

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<v Speaker 2>so like little Chicky Nuggies. So like is that like

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<v Speaker 2>on the rim of the glass, Well, it's a salty

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<v Speaker 2>lime rim. But then on little skewers there's Chicky Nuggies, carrots, celery,

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<v Speaker 2>whipped cream in my shake, in your shake, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's eight bucks. You can get it at Great Wolf

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<v Speaker 2>Lodge until they're not they're going to stop this madness

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<v Speaker 2>May twentieth, So get there beforehand. The thing is is

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been like wilding out on social media because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's talking about how disgusting it is. Sure on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>but then Great Wolf Lodge, which is on Twitter, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes me highly suspicious, they get on there and they

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<v Speaker 2>respond to this stuff. So someone's like getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>puke now, and Great Wolf Lodge responded with the laughing

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<v Speaker 2>emoji and said that rant shake will do that to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Vibes alone are enough to flip a stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of like milkshake duck.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's I think that's the new era that we're in,

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<v Speaker 2>is that you're supposed to come up with the most

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<v Speaker 2>disgusting things possible to go viral.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the attention economy.

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<v Speaker 2>The attention economy. They also someone just kept asking why,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Lodge responded, honestly, that shake feels like

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<v Speaker 2>chaos in a cup. Why is the only correct reaction? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>cool kids, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Just come on now, this is what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know who has the final word on this?

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<v Speaker 3>Not I, not you, No producer, No.

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<v Speaker 2>Not not you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's not me.

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<v Speaker 2>R and b Legend Dion Warwick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this will be good.

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<v Speaker 2>She commented on the post and she said, quote just

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<v Speaker 2>in the kitchen wasting food.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Dion.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows God bless So that is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, it's so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>The end goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that you cleared the end day ruined, I got

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<v Speaker 3>something ridiculous for you. It's way more fun than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Yeah, giving dolphins LSD because you know science.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, this is ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 5>outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent ridiculous murder was the case they gave you free, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a wild one for you about dolphins and

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<v Speaker 3>crime and psychedelics.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could do that dolphins sound, I would do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Something like that, Yeah, the clicking and the whistle, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That just summons the interns.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into this, the folks who gave us

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins on l because science. I want to set the

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<v Speaker 3>stage with a different and bizarre story about dolphins. To

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<v Speaker 3>wet your beak, so to speak. It comes to us

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<v Speaker 3>from Florida, so you know it's good. As the local

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<v Speaker 3>news outlet CBS twelve reported earlier this month, on March six,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six, dateline Lee County, Florida and I quote,

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins are back in the headlines, and this time they're

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<v Speaker 3>being accused of running Florida's most bizarre development project. Wait, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>so the news stories what they were referring to had

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<v Speaker 3>the following headline update mysterious dolphin kidnapping case takes bizarre

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<v Speaker 3>turn as victim's background raises new questions. That's just got

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 2>In it, right there, there's a lot going dolphin.

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<v Speaker 3>Kidnapping, suspicious victims, background, new questions. Anyway, the story was

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<v Speaker 3>from a different new story. It's reportedly shared by the

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<v Speaker 3>Associated Press out of Fort Myers, Florida and I quote

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<v Speaker 3>and a story that has captivated local residents and gone

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<v Speaker 3>viral on social media. Thirty three year old man found

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<v Speaker 3>disoriented and sunburned on the Santa Belle Causeway early Monday

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<v Speaker 3>morning claimed he was abducted by a pod of dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>and forced to labor on an elaborate underwater construction project.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait right off bed, we have outrageous claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's go back and let's do some Let's do

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<v Speaker 2>some point by point on here. Sure, so we got

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<v Speaker 2>a sunburned guy on a highway and then he.

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<v Speaker 3>Says, abducted by a pod of dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>And forced to do like water welding.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, so I got more for Elizabeth. Back to the

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<v Speaker 3>ap story. Out of Fort Myers, Florida, Lee County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 3>Office deputies responded to a nine to one to one

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<v Speaker 3>call it approximately five forty five am from a passing

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<v Speaker 3>motorists who spotted Ricky James Hallowell standing barefoot on the

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder of the causeway, drenched in seawater and frantically sketching

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<v Speaker 3>diagrams in the wet sand. Hallowell, a resident of nearby

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<v Speaker 3>Cape Coral, was clad only in faded blue swim trunks,

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<v Speaker 3>with severe sunburn covering his upper body and what appeared

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<v Speaker 3>to be minor abrasions on his hands and feet. Consistent

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<v Speaker 3>he later claimed with quote handling coral and structural materials underwater. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so now we're getting into some real details.

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<v Speaker 2>They still sell bath salt.

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<v Speaker 3>I went immediately wint to that, but he wasn't eating faces. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>buckle at Buttercup, because I have a bunch more for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the ap story. According to the official incident

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<v Speaker 3>report obtained by the AP. Hollowell recounted being approached by

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<v Speaker 3>a group of bottle nosed dolphins while swimming recreationally off

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<v Speaker 3>Fort Myers Beach on Friday afternoon. Quote they surrounded me

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<v Speaker 3>like a security detail, Hollowell told deputies. It wasn't aggressive

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<v Speaker 3>at first, but they nudged me deeper away from the

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<v Speaker 3>shore before I knew it. I was at a site

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<v Speaker 3>about forty feet down in the gulf, helping them build

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<v Speaker 3>what looked like a full scale aquatic habitat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, So at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Point I hope alaren bills are going off for you.

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<v Speaker 3>The questions like how the hell can this be true?

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<v Speaker 3>Or do dolphins construction workers have unions and protections like

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<v Speaker 3>osha but for the ocean too. Well, before we answer

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<v Speaker 3>these questions, I have a few more details. Where are

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<v Speaker 3>you from the AAP. Hallowell learned to communicate with the

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<v Speaker 3>dolphin overlords who would have taken him hostage. Quote. Hallowell

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<v Speaker 3>describe the dolphins communicating via a complex series of echolocation

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<v Speaker 3>clicks and whistles, which he said he quote picked up

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<v Speaker 3>on after a few hours. It was like learning a

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<v Speaker 3>new language on the fly. He identified the apparent leader

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<v Speaker 3>of the pod as Gerald, a large male dolphin with

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<v Speaker 3>distinctive scarring on his dorsal fan, whom he referred to

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<v Speaker 3>as the project Foreman.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did Gerald the turkey right have a cousin? I

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<v Speaker 2>have a cousin Gerald or morph?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh I like that reincarnated maybe. So now we

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<v Speaker 3>have a leader of a dolphin construction crew, aka Gerald,

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<v Speaker 3>the alleged Foreman.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's such a task master.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, hard, hard boss. But you also may have other questions,

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<v Speaker 3>like how the hell did Hallowell survive underwater for days

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<v Speaker 3>without needing access to air food?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I'm Jared. I like to have logic and reason

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<v Speaker 2>in my story.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Hallowell, and I quote, when pressed by deputies

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<v Speaker 3>on how he survived on water for three days without

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen equipment, Hallowell replied, cryptically, quote Gerald handled the breathing part,

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of bubble system or pressure adaptation. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>ask too many questions. You don't question Gerald. He's got

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<v Speaker 3>that authoritative vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>I just he kissed Gerald.

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<v Speaker 3>Make them kissing now. I don't know about you, but

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<v Speaker 3>I really hope that you do question Gerald, and more

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<v Speaker 3>generally questioned anyone with what some might cally an authoritative vibe. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Please just question authoritative vibes. It's usually a front a lie. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>the Lee County deputies, they did have some questions, even

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<v Speaker 3>if they weren't about Gerald, leader of the dolphins. The

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<v Speaker 3>deputies were more focused on what Hallowell did once he

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<v Speaker 3>re emerged on land. Notably, they were curious about the

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<v Speaker 3>symbols he was drawing in the sand. I remember that part,

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<v Speaker 3>so back to the age.

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<v Speaker 2>But a guy can't scribble in the sam on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the highway.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he making diagrams?

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<v Speaker 2>What is this? So?

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<v Speaker 3>According to the AP story out of Fort Myers, Florida,

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<v Speaker 3>and I quote, deputies noted that Hallowell's sand sketches are

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<v Speaker 3>remarkably detailed, spanning roughly ten feet across and including scaled

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<v Speaker 3>blueprints for what resembled a submerged community, multi level condo

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<v Speaker 3>structures made from natural, coral and synthetic like materials, a

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<v Speaker 3>central town square with gathering pods, and even a recreation

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<v Speaker 3>center featuring what Hollowell described as dolphin friendly obstacle courses.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, and he was just scratching this into the

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<v Speaker 2>dirt apparently wanted to get it down. I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>know they do those fine sand.

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<v Speaker 3>Beaches down there, white sand beaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm just I can't understand how you're getting so

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<v Speaker 2>much detail in this, You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>If like me and apparently you, you're astounded to learn

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<v Speaker 3>that dolphins are building multi level condos from coral with

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<v Speaker 3>rec centers and obstacle courses.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald is a developer. I mean, what kind of lovely

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<v Speaker 2>farmland down there did he buy up?

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly destroyed the Florida condo communities continue now. The

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<v Speaker 3>Lee County deputies, they had questions. For instance, Deputy Sean Oakley,

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<v Speaker 3>are reputed eleven year veteran told the AP, I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>my share of oddities in Lee County, but this guy's

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<v Speaker 3>diagrams had zoning regulations penciled in, setbacks, load bearing specs,

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<v Speaker 3>even environmental impact notes. It was detailed enough to make

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<v Speaker 3>you wonder if he wasn't onto something.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, what right?

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<v Speaker 3>So as for how Hollowell survived the strange ordeal and

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<v Speaker 3>managed to get back to land to share with all

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<v Speaker 3>of us these developmental plans of our underwater mammalian cousins,

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<v Speaker 3>According to Hallowell, he was released from his captivity and

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<v Speaker 3>his indentured servitude to Gerald and once he was free,

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<v Speaker 3>he swam ashore. Then he crawled out of the surf.

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<v Speaker 3>His feet touched dry sand. He was like, oh, thank god.

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<v Speaker 3>He was all exhausted, confuse, wondering what he just experienced,

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<v Speaker 3>and brother, I've been there. But once he could stand

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<v Speaker 3>and eventually walk, Hallowell walked until he found the causeway.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where he collapsed and was eventually discovered by the

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<v Speaker 3>deputies responding to the nine to one to one call.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, so, according to the AP story, emergency responders

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<v Speaker 3>transported Hollowell to Lee Memorial Hospital for evaluation, where he

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<v Speaker 3>was treated for dehydration and sunburn. No drugs or alcohol

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<v Speaker 3>were detected in his system.

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<v Speaker 2>Saren what if he's telling the truth?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? How about that aliens and dolphins working together on

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<v Speaker 3>some abyst level thing?

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<v Speaker 2>What I've come to learn, Yes, is it? You hear

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<v Speaker 2>all these conspiracy theories, believe and you think, oh, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you find out, oh god, they're real. And

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<v Speaker 2>so now I am just like I'll buy any.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll buy that for a doll.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll buy that for a doll. Yeah, I've been taught recently.

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<v Speaker 3>Recently, same I'm right there with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go with it, you know, so now I believe them all.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me about the nine different types of aliens we

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<v Speaker 3>were in contact, Yes, exactly, so we've basically rolled out.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't high on basalts, he wasn't tripping on magic mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 3>no LSD. He's stone cold, sober. So how can this be? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm also glad that you're kind of questioning

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<v Speaker 3>yet also willing to accept this story because it gives

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<v Speaker 3>me hope. Kind of. Anyway, back to the story, because

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<v Speaker 3>there were some updates. Okay, once Halliwell was under medical

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<v Speaker 3>supervision in the hospital setting, more tests were run. The

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<v Speaker 3>doctors discover that Well it was. One of the medical

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<v Speaker 3>professionals is doctor Elena Vesquez. She's credited as an attending pulmonologist, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so she shares her opinion in the release of the

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<v Speaker 3>findings of what happened to Hallowell and I quote, this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't consistent with a brief drowning incident or aspiration from swimming.

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<v Speaker 3>It's as if his respiratory system was exposed to seawater

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<v Speaker 3>for an extended period, yet without the expected inflammation or damage.

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<v Speaker 3>We're consulting marine biologists for further insight. But it's puzzling.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all odd, right, Yeah, Elizabeth, I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 3>hear that you do have some questions and some doubt

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<v Speaker 3>for this story.

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<v Speaker 2>That's important.

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<v Speaker 3>I have more details for you, ones that may confound

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<v Speaker 3>your lead to more questions. Apparently, the Lee County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 3>Department looked into Hollowell's background, and the deputies found that

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<v Speaker 3>demand's a scientist. He'd gone to MIT, worked for Lockheed

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<v Speaker 3>Martin and later NASA. According to AP story, Hallowell quote

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<v Speaker 3>holds a master's degree an aerospace ructures from the Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 3>Institute of Technology. Previously worked for a decade at Lockheed

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<v Speaker 3>Martin in Orlando, where he specialized in advanced composite materials

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<v Speaker 3>and submersible vehicle designs for deep sea exploration projects funded

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<v Speaker 3>by NASA and the US Navy. So Jaron is like

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<v Speaker 3>a headhunter. I mean, he got the.

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<v Speaker 2>Right he really did.

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<v Speaker 3>So this all gives credence to why Gerald, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>picked him to join his construction crew. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>Hollowell's former supervisors was quoted saying that Hallowell was and

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<v Speaker 3>I quote always talking about bio inspired engineering, mimicking marine

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<v Speaker 3>life for better tech. If anyone's story about building for

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins could have a kernel of truth, it's his.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right.

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<v Speaker 3>So at this point, I still hope that your questions

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<v Speaker 3>are multiplying and growing. I'm talking like exponential progression. I

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<v Speaker 3>want you like going, wait, what the hell is thereon

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<v Speaker 3>telling me? How could any of this be true even

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<v Speaker 3>with all these like corroborations from doctors and former supervisors. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>to answer that fundamental question, I returned to the Lee

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<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff's Office. Okay, and the story from March sixth

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<v Speaker 3>that I mentioned up top from the local news outlet

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<v Speaker 3>CBS twelve, Yeah, yeah, so, and I quote the Lee

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<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff's Office is setting the record straight. On Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>after an outlandish online rumor claimed marine mammals were behind

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<v Speaker 3>an underwater construction operation off Florida's coast. The story gained

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<v Speaker 3>traction after a widely shared social media post reference to

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<v Speaker 3>Florida resident who allegedly reported being quote kidnapped by dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>and forced to build an underwater city. The Sheriff's office

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<v Speaker 3>responded with a tongue in cheek statement assuring residents that

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<v Speaker 3>the region's real estate market had not expanded below sea level.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Lee County Sheriff's Office did indeed have fun

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<v Speaker 3>debunking this viral news story. The deputies. They put out

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<v Speaker 3>a statement that said, and I quote consulted their fictional

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<v Speaker 3>underwater construction investigation team to look into the claim. According

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<v Speaker 3>to the agency, the dolphins that inhabit Southwest Florida's waters

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<v Speaker 3>quote deny any involvement in the supposed deep sea development.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was up with all the AP news story stuff?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? That may Your source for this alleged AP story

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<v Speaker 3>was a website called Scottprentice dot com, And in his

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<v Speaker 3>reporting on Gerald and the underwater Dolphin construction crew, he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to point out the gullibility of online news stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so he also has his own agenda by conspiracies

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<v Speaker 3>and whatnot. So I'm not exactly recommending anyone visit his website.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to cite all my sources to make

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<v Speaker 3>it all obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the local news AP all draws back to this cast.

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<v Speaker 3>The only story that is true is the CBS twelve

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<v Speaker 3>local news outlet that debunked it. Everything else, all that

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<v Speaker 3>AP stuff he was. He was just putting that in

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<v Speaker 3>the news. He's like, yeah, AP story didn't have links

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<v Speaker 3>to it, just an AP news story. Wow, that is right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because the AP Associated Press is cited throughout the story,

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<v Speaker 3>it clearly is not an AP news story. How they

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<v Speaker 3>don't sue, I don't know. But the sheriff's deputies were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the medical personnel, all that stuff is made up

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<v Speaker 3>and it's all all lies essentially. So I will return

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<v Speaker 3>to Scott Prentice for one quote, because he did make

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<v Speaker 3>a good point. This isn't about dismissing humor or creativity.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about discernment. When fake or satirical stories spread like

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<v Speaker 3>wildfire and drown out verifiable warnings, we all lose. The

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<v Speaker 3>dolphin kidnapping might be harmless absurdity, but the pattern is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>Distraction wins clicks, truth gets buried. Well, thank you, Scott Prentiss,

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<v Speaker 3>who is doing the very thing anyway. Now that my

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<v Speaker 3>public service is over and done with, Next up, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 3>I have another dolphin story for you, but one that

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<v Speaker 3>will also have you asking questions, one that will also

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<v Speaker 3>sound out landish and possibly made up. But I promise

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<v Speaker 3>you this next dolphin story is one hundred percent true,

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<v Speaker 3>one percent factual. But before we get into that, let's

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<v Speaker 3>take a little break. Listen to some ads, and when

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<v Speaker 3>we're back, we will get wicked with some LSD AND's

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<v Speaker 3>our mammalian cousin goodness. Yeah. Also we have unexpected celebrity

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<v Speaker 3>appearances like Alan Ginsburg and Carl Sagan.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back, Elizabeth. Hell, now up top. I promised you

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<v Speaker 3>a story about scientists giving dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>You made that problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, which does sound ridiculous and contract it's criminal. So

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<v Speaker 3>as I promised, this story is one hundred percent true.

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<v Speaker 3>No no wool pulling here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got to ask you, Elizabeth, who is your

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<v Speaker 3>third favorite dolphin?

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<v Speaker 2>My third favorite dolphin?

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<v Speaker 3>Like to give you a couple of ideas, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously Flipper. There's the mascot for the Miami Dolphins. There's Tua,

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<v Speaker 3>who's just been released from the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>So you should just stop altogether. Yeah, there's that's like

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<v Speaker 2>the extent of my knowledge of football should stopper.

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<v Speaker 3>There's free Willie, although he's an or you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>Killer whales are the largest dolphins, so he counts. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>I love when they takeout ships yachts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I like.

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<v Speaker 2>The lease of frank dolphins on the stickers.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice there you go. Well, keep those in mind as

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<v Speaker 3>I start this story. And Elizabeth, i'd like you to

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<v Speaker 3>meet John Lily.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi. John.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born in nineteen fifteen, the son of wealthy parents.

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<v Speaker 3>His father was the president of a local bank in

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Paul, Minnesota, where he grew up. His mother's family

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<v Speaker 3>they owned a stockyard company, so she also came from

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<v Speaker 3>wealth and his well to do existence as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>It allowed him like a life of exploration, right, he

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<v Speaker 3>could make mistakes and it didn't cost him any but

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<v Speaker 3>a luxury totally. He was also the middle child in

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<v Speaker 3>a family of three boys, so you know that he

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<v Speaker 3>made him a little little competitive, little rough and tumble

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of the bad boy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the forgotten child.

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<v Speaker 3>Early on, it was clear that John Lily was a scientist,

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<v Speaker 3>like he had this burning curiosity. For instance, when he

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<v Speaker 3>was thirteen, he built his own chemistry lab in like

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<v Speaker 3>the basement, I'm assuming yeah, that's where he conducted all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of experiments. And his love of science was such

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<v Speaker 3>a motivating force in his life even from an early

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<v Speaker 3>age that his fellow students at school, they called him

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<v Speaker 3>Einstein Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, look at that baby Einstein right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Around the same time, in nineteen twenty eight, at the

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<v Speaker 3>age of thirteen, John Lily asked a question that would

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<v Speaker 3>beguile him for the rest of his life. The question was,

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<v Speaker 3>how can the mind study itself?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, pretty easily, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of the whole deal all we do. So at

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<v Speaker 3>age sixteen, he penned an essay for school that he

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<v Speaker 3>titled reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, how old is he?

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen? He later said that particular school essay quote laid

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<v Speaker 3>out the trip for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The teacher who read it just like hurt herself,

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<v Speaker 2>rolling her eyes sprained something.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I bet. Basically, this guy he's like a psycho

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<v Speaker 3>knot before we had a word for him. And he's

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<v Speaker 3>also definitely full of himself too. Nineteen thirty four, Lily,

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<v Speaker 3>he's now nineteen years old. He reads a book that

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<v Speaker 3>would change the course of his life. Right. This book

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<v Speaker 3>was Brave New World by Aldus Hucks. Oh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 3>early sci fi book. It features like lab grown babies

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<v Speaker 3>and it's got like, you know, there's the five cast

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<v Speaker 3>systems of which type of people you're in Alpha beta,

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<v Speaker 3>gamma delta or absalon. Right. So this is also the

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<v Speaker 3>big part of the book is to maintain social cohesion.

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<v Speaker 3>People constantly consume the mind soothing drug soma right right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's basically all about how powerful social paradigms control

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<v Speaker 3>people of the world. Right. This book inspired obviously like

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<v Speaker 3>later sci fi like The Matrix. Yeah, and it definitely

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<v Speaker 3>inspired John Lilly. So for young John Lily, Brave New

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<v Speaker 3>World inspires this fascination with controlling the human mind via pharmacology,

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<v Speaker 3>drugs and whatnot. So it led him to pursue neurophysiology

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<v Speaker 3>as his focus of studies. Good for him, Good for him, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know? For college, My boy Lily, he attended Caltech

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<v Speaker 3>here in California, Right, But he had a tough go

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<v Speaker 3>of it. He was a sensitive lad. By his junior year,

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<v Speaker 3>he was engaged to be married and his future was

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<v Speaker 3>fast approaching and seemed to be taking shape. But then

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<v Speaker 3>he began to suffer from nervous exhaustion. That's what it

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<v Speaker 3>was called back then. Yeah, now to call him his

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<v Speaker 3>racing mind, his restless soul. Before he gets married, before

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<v Speaker 3>he graduates, he takes the sabbatical from school. He travels north,

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<v Speaker 3>like Jack London, up to lumber Country in the Pacific Northwest,

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<v Speaker 3>and he starts working as a lumberjack. But he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>particularly cut out for swinging an axe because one day

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<v Speaker 3>he missed his mark and instead he put the acts

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<v Speaker 3>right into his foot. Ohow, that sent him to the hospital.

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 3>While he's laid up in the hospital having his foot

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.879
<v Speaker 3>be repaired, he decides, you know what, I'd like to

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 3>be a doctor. So he changed his career paths. He

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.680
<v Speaker 3>enrolls at Dartmouth Medical School to make his new dream

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 3>a reality. And he was an eager student, curious as ever.

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Remember total great scientists, So like, there was one time

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 3>he was performing a dissection of a cataver that I

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 3>read about. He decided, how long are the intestines? And

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.400
<v Speaker 3>so what does he do? He unwinds the intestines from

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 3>the cadaver and just stretches out. He just unspools the

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 3>intestinal track all across this room. Right, He's got it's

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 3>like thirty eight feet.

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you read it, but you're like, is that true?

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Verify always verify.

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Trust, but verify. So this is the kind of scientists.

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 3>He was very hands on, right, he was willing yeah, exactly,

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 3>he'd reach in there, get up in them guts. Now,

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 3>while he was at Dartmouth, he found the medicool school

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 3>Dartmouth wasn't a right fit for him, so he transferred

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 3>to the University of Pennsylvania. Yea, more it's more of

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 3>a research school than Dartmouth. Dartmouth was more about like treatment, right,

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 3>So he wanted to be into research. So during his

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 3>time at penn he took a class and the class

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 3>was called how to build an Atomic Bomb.

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 3>At the time, this was like, you know, right before

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 3>World where it's like, you know, early World War two,

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 3>before War two, so this is a brand new idea.

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.439
<v Speaker 3>He and his fellow students are so geeked about what.

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 2>They're learning in medical school.

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Though, yeah, it's just a science class.

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 2>I was like that, so messed up medicals.

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, all the other students they start compiling their

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 3>notes and write a book with the title how to

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 3>build an Atomic bomb? Okay, Now, obviously that would be

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>a major interest to a lot of people who are

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 3>not going to the American universities. Yeah, naturally, this catches

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 3>the attention of the director of the Manhattan Project. He's like, Nay,

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 3>what are you doing boys. So the leading physicist they're

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 3>all trying to make a real atomic bomb for the

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 3>first time and they have not done it yet. They

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.239
<v Speaker 3>know the theory, which is what these students learned. So

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 3>he demands that the students not publish their book. And

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 3>he's like, this is a highly classified subject.

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Know that it was a race against time because Saren,

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I saw Oppenheimer.

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was there. So the director of the

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 3>man hadn't project. He can't stop the publication because Lily

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 3>and his student co authors, they didn't include any classified materials.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Are just all the theory.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 3>My point is Lily was a true iconoclast and a

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 3>hands on scientists. Right, he didn't care. He felt that

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 3>science was bigger than the aims of any one nation. Right.

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 3>In fact, he believed science is bigger than the concerns

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 3>of humanity. It was like a set of cosmic mysteries

0:25:58.640 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 3>to be solved.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Then hip hop, right, you know you know what I'm saying.

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 3>So, after World War two is over, Lily returns to

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 3>his prior fascination with neurophysiology. Nineteen fifty three, he joins

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 3>the US Public Health Service Commissioned Officers Corps, and he

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 3>goes to work for the National Institute of Mental Health,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 3>grand fit for him. This is where he comes up

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 3>with his first big contribution to science. He invents the

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 3>isolation tank aka the sensory deprivation tank. He invented the

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 3>sensory deprivation tank.

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 2>That's sick.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 3>For those who may not know, Century deprivation tank. It's

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 3>a small chamber. It's filled with salt water that's about

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 3>the same temperature as the human body. As Lily said,

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 3>you can't tell where the water ends and your body begins.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 3>The tank is windowless, so it's totally dark inside. It's

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>also sound proofs and no outside noise can interfere. Once

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 3>you're inside the Century deprivation tank, the subject you you

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 3>float in the salty water, the darkness and the sil

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 3>they wash away your normal existence. Your interiority starts to emerge,

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden you're like, whoa, this is

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 3>who I am? What am I? Right? Yeah, Elizabeth, quick question,

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 3>would you ever want to float inside a center of deprivation?

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>No? I In addition to being afraid of heights, I'm

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>also terribly claustrophobia.

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh so that would trigger claustrophobia. Yeah, interesting, Like I

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 3>also suffer from claustrophobia. But like if I'm making a

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 3>fissure of rock where like I'm sliding across a mountain,

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 3>then I will have that experiences of it. But like

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 3>I think I could do a century deprivationion tank because

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 3>it's black. You can't see that you are.

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, and you know, I mean, I guess for

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>me it would be like I can I can do

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 2>like a cat scanner an MRI because I can visualize

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like the rest of the room and know that it's

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>not going to trap me totally per se. But with that,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, they shut you in this tank, what

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 2>if they can't get it open again? And this is

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>your life forever? Swimming never had that thought swimming in

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 2>your own ways. I always have to take it back

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>to that, of course, But or then then running out

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>of air and screaming and no one hearing you.

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I definitely want there to be like an

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 3>easy way to push open the century deprivation. You could

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 3>not like turn knobs from the outside that I can't reach.

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they they just like they lock you in there. Yeah,

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe they don't, but.

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 3>I think I want like like velcrow latching something easily.

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:29.959
<v Speaker 3>Just stand up and push out.

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Got to be sealed to be sound prooved.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Hey, get some rubber. I don't care. We're not We're

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:35.919
<v Speaker 3>not doing class.

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 2>So you would do it?

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 3>You feel about it as long as I can push

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 3>push it open.

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, see when they have those things like the quietest

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>room in the world or whatever, and you could hear.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 3>And all that.

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I could do it.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 3>I think you could do I think I could do

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 3>that one pretty much standing on my head like on

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Polly Walnuts.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I could. I feel like I'm maybe just a little

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>bit away from being able to hibernate like a bear.

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 3>You definitely have bear energy.

0:28:58.040 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I do.

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I do so John lily as I said first person

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:03.719
<v Speaker 3>to play around the idea of what happens when your

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 3>mind and body are so quieted, denied any stimulus, that

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 3>you float free of your day to day life. He

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 3>finds that this lucid state emerges from inside of you

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 3>and it just takes over your full consciousness. And some

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 3>of his research subjects, like the secondary people he had

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 3>tried you gotta try my tank. They had out of

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>body experiences. Others had lucid dreams. So at this point,

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Lily he loves being inside his sensory deprivation tank. Right,

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>He's just like, oh, floating there, like this is my

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 3>new home.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 3>He tried to spend more and more time there, like

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 3>it was like a second womb, and he's like, can

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I get in my tank?

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 3>He told one friend, wouldn't it be great to float

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 3>like this twenty four hours a day? So well, I

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 3>mean you could, Oh yeah, I mean you definitely, cud.

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't recommend it. You're going to be you know, pruney,

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 3>pruned all up. Yeah. Well, his friend, hearing that, right, replied,

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 3>you should look at dolphins. So this was a poignant comment.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 3>It would change the whole trajectory of Lily's life, just

0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 3>like that acts and the trip to the hospital did,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 3>except for this time He's like, where can I be

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 3>your around dolphins? And his friend's like, they're available. Go

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 3>down to the marine studios in Florida, And so that's

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 3>what he did.

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, the universe laziest things at your feet.

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Pay attention, Yeah, serendipity and all that exactly. So remember

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Lily trained medical doctor, right, he knows about physiology. So

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 3>when he goes down to the Marine Studios in Florida

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>to study dolphins. He's overcome by the size and the

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>complexity of the brains of dolphins, and he's comparing to

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 3>the human brain, which is like the one of the

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 3>most complex, if not the most complex. He's like, dolphins, man, there,

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 3>this is wild, right, So this becomes his next major fascination.

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 3>At the US Virgin Islands, he found this new lab

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 3>to study dolphins and particularly dolphin communication. Now his lab

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 3>was rather unique. It was built on the coast, and

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 3>in order for humans and dolphins to be together, he

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>created the Dolphin House by flooding a section of the building. Right,

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 3>they waterproof the floors of the lab, then they flood

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 3>the rooms inside the lab, which kind of has like

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 3>a a connection to the sea, right, come in and out,

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 3>and this gives the scientists a way to like live

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 3>with and study the dolphins for months at a time. So, Lily,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 3>he works from the inside out, you know, classic doctor.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 3>He to understand a dolphin's brain, he focused on their

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 3>language skills. He's like, what are they thinking? I want

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 3>to I'll listen to them, but I'll listen for that

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>way it'll tell me how their brain works. Yeah, he

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 3>quickly discovers dolphins speaking coherent clicks and whistles. It very

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 3>much is a language, so he starts to record it.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 3>He starts to analyze it. What was wild is if

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 3>you listen to dolphins speech underwater, right now, not in

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 3>the air, but underwater, the frequency of dolphins speech underwater

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 3>matches the frequency of human speech in the air, really, right.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 3>He also finds that the dolphins could nearly imitate human speech,

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 3>which leads him to this conclusion that dolphins speech is

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>essentially the same as human speech. His whole theory about

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 3>their brains turns out to really bear fruit. So, but

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>dolphin's speech is like just human speech, just much much

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 3>much faster. Right, So he's like, well, how could I

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 3>understand what dolphins are saying? Because I don't obviously speak Dolphinese.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 3>So he was like, how do I come up with

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 3>an interspecies like communication? Bridge? Now, do you remember that

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 3>meme of Milania Trump and the beluga whale?

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>That is exactly what went into my head when he said,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>what do they think?

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 3>What is she thinking? Right? So that's John Lily.

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>He's basically, you know, explain it.

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so it's a picture of a bluego whale

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 3>breaching the surface of water, and Milania says, what is

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 3>she thinking? Right? And it was something she posted, so

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 3>she posted it that that was the only line she

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>had is what is she thinking?

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 3>So she wanted to know what does a beluga whale thinking?

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 3>And John Lily is like saying, but dolphins. Now, Elizabeth,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 3>knowing you as I do, I guess at some point

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 3>you've wanted to speak the language of an animal. So

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I gotta ask, of course, which animal would you want

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>to be able to understand and like communicate with, like

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 3>your doctor Doolittle dogs dogs interesting specific but your dogs?

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, but any dogs?

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Any dog?

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Huh? So I think cats would be funny because they're

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>just such jerks.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh they're total jerks, right. I don't need to hear

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>them insult me.

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't even worry about that.

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear that part.

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 3>If a dog, I want to hear them insult other people.

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>And I want to know, like, when my dog is

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>yelling at people across the street, what are you saying?

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have my notion what if it was

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>just like, hey, hey, I think that's what it is. Well,

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>that's how I love that thinging up with Dug the collar.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>My nephew and I used to watch those Doug shorts

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>on the you know Disney Pixar thing. Oh my god,

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I love those and I really want one for the

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>for the dogs.

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 3>That's a good use of AI, by the way, which

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 3>they did start like years ago. You would see when

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 3>AI was becoming a new thing, people talk about, Oh,

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 3>we're going to be able to understand specifically dolphins and dogs, right.

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen an update on that in years.

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 5>No.

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>But the closest we get is when you put those

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>buttons on the floor that a dog push to talk totally.

0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And I really want to teach my dogs to do that,

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 2>but they're so wilful and they're just like, yeah, what's

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>in it for me?

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 3>He's a lot of treats and then well, and then.

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>The button would just get warned out.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 3>You have to get anyone. Get a couple of there,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Diamon bulk Yeah.

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Aggressive.

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 3>They find a lot of dogs refer to dogs that

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 3>are smaller than them as cats. When the people who

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 3>use those buttons like, really, what's up with cat? Every

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 3>dog that's smaller than them is cat? Anyway, So when

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 3>John Lily sets out to understand and translate dolphin speech,

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 3>he's certain it is more sophisticated than human speech, so

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>he would need a powerful tool to decode it. Enter NASA.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty three, NASA pays for Lily to set

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 3>up a new laboratory dedicated to researching dolphins. The reason

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 3>NASA was interested in this is famous scientists like Carl

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Sagan believe that Lily's work to decipher dolphins speech could

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>one day help us communicate with aliens.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. This is back when NASA had fundings.

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, nineteen sixty three. I mean they are super funded, right,

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean this is like JFK is like, here's a

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>blank check, just write whatever you want. So when NASA

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>here's at Carl Sagan's down, they're like, how much money

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>do you need? They cut him like the super large

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 3>lottery winning check. At this point, John Lily's working in

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 3>his new NASA funded laboratory in the Caribbean, trying to

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 3>like talk with and two dolphins in their language. And

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 3>this is the same time when he starts taking acid.

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>We don't why not. It was the sixties, baby, totally.

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 3>And I doubt. He told NASA that he was gobbling

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 3>down LSD in the hopes that he would have a

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 3>breakthrough an unlocked dolphin speech. But I don't think DASA. Basically,

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think NASA was down with LSD. But that's

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 3>what they were paying for, is an LSD dolphin study.

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, as long as you get the results, I

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:40.439
<v Speaker 2>don't care how you get there.

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, this is when things go sideways. Lily had

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 3>been taking LSD for a while, dating back to his

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 3>earlier experiments with sensory deprivation tank, so at the time

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't illegal for him to do this, right, Okay,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 3>they hadn't been rescheduled yet as a drug. But being

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 3>a good scientist, he recorded his experiences taking acid in

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.280
<v Speaker 3>his sensory deprivation tank, and as he wrote in his notes,

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I left my body and went into infinite distances, dimensions

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 3>that are inhuman I traveled through my brain, watching the

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 3>neurons and their activities.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, homeboys, right.

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>How crazy be doing taking acid? If you're taken acid? No, okay,

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 3>well it would be wild. I'll just trust me on

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 3>that centry deprivation tank sounds I think.

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.760
<v Speaker 2>If I didn't have a panic attack because of claustrophobia.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>If I were in it, I would one hundred percent

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>lose my mind. And and then you know, that's why

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I've told you before why I don't haven't taken acid,

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and I will break my brain. It's already CAUs a

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 2>couple of threads at this real fed braain to keep

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it real, calm, slow.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 3>As we've covered before in our story about Kerry Grant

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 3>taking a ton of LSD in the nineteen fifties. At

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>first LSD was seen as this like better living through chemistry,

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't until Timothy Leary gets involved and he

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 3>starts feeding acid to the early hippies and he kicks

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 3>off this counterculture revolution with like Cankesi and the Grateful

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Dead and their acid test house parties. That's when the

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 3>US government's like, let's make this illegal, ye. So, But

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 3>after LSD was scheduled as a drug and made illegal,

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Lily was still given a license to use it for research.

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 3>So he's still in the clears to the good. Yeah,

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 3>And so as it's part of his research, he starts

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 3>injecting liquid LSD into dolphins because he's convinced this will

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 3>unlock the secrets of dolphins.

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Speech, there's not there's not a lot of consent dolphins

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>can give. Zero.

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine giving a bunch of dolphins LSD just

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 3>to see what happens? Oh right, like cosmic secrets and.

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Their dogs drunk?

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because now you're doing it like all the time.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 3>People will get their dogs drunk. It's like maybe on

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>one weekend. He's doing this Monday through Sunday. I mean,

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 3>just like come in for your tail.

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 2>We wouldn't do that to a human being.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 3>No, we wouldn't do it to like a kid. Would

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.359
<v Speaker 3>probably even do it to a chimban. He did, Yeah,

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>who knows? So what did they What did he find

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 3>when the dolphins got sick and twisted on at question?

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 2>So I am the one who asked what.

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 3>The dolphin research is that Lily's Dolphin has lab discovered

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 3>is that dolphins were roughly seventy percent more vocal when

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 3>they were tripping on acid. They just started gibber jabbering

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 3>like you know, human beings on cocaine. All right, But

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 3>as Lily wrote in his notes, the important thing for

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 3>us with the LSD and the dolphin is that what

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 3>we see has no meaning in the verbal sphere. We

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 3>are out of what you might call the rational exchange

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 3>of complex ideas because we haven't developed communication in that

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 3>particular way as yet. So basically they're talking more, we

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 3>still don't understand a word. Sure, So, as a veterinarian,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>this guy Andy Williamson said he was summing up the

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 3>experience of giving LSD to dolphins, and he pointed out

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.240
<v Speaker 3>that different species react to different pharmaceuticals in different ways.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 3>A tranquilizer made for horses might induce a state of

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 3>excitement in a dog. Playing with pharmaceuticals is a tricky

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 3>business to say the least. So basically, dolphins didn't get

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 3>off on acid the same way human beings do. So, oh,

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess this is not the universal key. So after

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 3>injecting the dolphins with liquid LSD for a while, Lily

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 3>finds it's not helping him understand the dolphin language. It

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 3>doesn't seem to be helping the dolphins themselves.

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Their minds are already expanded.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, exactly, there's no cosmic mysteries to unlocked because

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 3>the dolphins maybe on a higher level road. That's not

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 3>to say no lessons were learned, because meanwhile, one of

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 3>his friends said he watched Lily transform from a scientist

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 3>with a white coat to a full blown hippie. Oh right. So,

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 3>by the mid sixties, as the acid counterculture starts taking

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 3>hold of the public's imagination, they see how scientists, like

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 3>the scientist views of Alstee change because of society. Right.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 3>So the director of his lab, he's had enough. Right,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 3>He decides this is a waste of my one wild,

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 3>precious life. He doesn't want to be associated with any

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 3>hippie dippy science, so he leaves a project, and by

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty eight the lab loses its NASA funding. The

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Dolphin House Lab is closed. Lily is like, I don't care.

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, and all these burnout dolphins are left just to

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 2>go out and fend for themselves.

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Part of the rainbow family now following the dead around

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 3>the country garbage can. So Lily keeps after his dream

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 3>though of unlocking dolphin speech. He moves on from acid

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 3>and he starts finding private funding. He expands his toolkit

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 3>with new money, and so instead of injecting dolphins with LSD,

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 3>he moves on to telepathy.

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, Oh, it's the logical next step.

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 3>In seventy seven, Lily wrote that I have explored and

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 3>voluntarily entered into domains forbidden by a large fraction of

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 3>those in our culture who are not curious and are

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 3>not explorative and are not mentally equipped to enter these domains.

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 3>All right, Timothy Leary's brother. But at this point Lily

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 3>is considered a cautionary tale that this friend radical scientist

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 3>most famous for dosing dolphins with LSD yeah and doing, oh,

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 3>how's your psychedelic tower babble going? Lily? Right, So he

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 3>spends the seventies in his sensory deprivation tank, just getting

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 3>high on ketamine and chasing like new mysteries of human consciousness. So,

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 3>thanks to his ketemine induced titan state, Lily claims that

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 3>he made contact with aliens. Oh and in one of

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>his visions, aliens revealed to him that humanity would one

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 3>day create our own doom, which he described as solid

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 3>state systems which would later evolve and take on the

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 3>form of an an autonomous biological state. So basically, this

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 3>thing that we would create would try to eradicate humanity.

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 3>So he is he no, No, it's more like he

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 3>gets high on ketamine and he's like, one day we

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 3>need to worry about the plot of the Terminator movies.

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I do worry about that.

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 3>But I don't want you to worry, Elizabeth, because Lily

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 3>also said there is a group of benevolent aliens which

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:46.399
<v Speaker 3>he called the Earth Coincidence Control Office aka Echo, which

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 3>hearkens back to his times with dolphins, obviously, and this

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 3>group of benevolent aliens promises to guide humanity's progress so

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 3>we can avoid our terminator future and help us develop

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 3>a higher level of consciousness.

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm bum that the aliens showed up and they talk

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to him.

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Always they picked the word Jackie Gleeson pointed that out

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.280
<v Speaker 3>when he used to talk. He's like, why if aliens

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 3>want to believe, do they always pick kooks to talk

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 3>to deliver their message? Now, Honestly, when I was reading

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 3>about this guy, I kept thinking about Douglas Adams, the

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 3>author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which I

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.280
<v Speaker 3>read all those books as a teen, and I absolutely

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 3>loved him. And in one of the books Dolphins, they

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 3>saved themselves from the imminent destruction of Earth by fleeing

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 3>the planet for some alternate dimension, and their final message

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 3>to humanity when they leave the planet is so long

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 3>and thanks for all the fish. Back to Lily in

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties, he's still had it trying to communicate

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 3>with dolphins. He's moved beyond LSD ketamine. He's now working

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 3>with computers. He creates a new lab that's essentially a

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 3>submerged living room with dolphins and humans communicating. Freaking yeah exactly.

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 3>His new idea is that they humans and dolphins, maybe

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 3>they could learn to create a hybrid language like Spanglish

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:56.319
<v Speaker 3>based on dolphin and human speech. This also failed, but

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>over the years in his varied pursuit of cosmic mysteries,

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 3>he did start enjoying visits from liminaris like Alan Ginsburg,

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Timothy Lary, Richard Feyneman, the physicists.

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 4>Ye.

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 3>In fact, Ginsburg loved to take dips in his sensory deprivation.

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Of course, right, He's gotten to the point now if

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 3>I hear Ginsburg visited, I'm like, oh hanky. So in

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 3>the end, Lily came to the conclusion that quote guides

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 3>at each level above ours pretend to be God as

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 3>long as you believe them. When you finally get to

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.479
<v Speaker 3>know the guide, he says, well, God is really the

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 3>next level up God just keeps retreating into infinity.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 2>He actually got to talk to my manager. You got

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:36.919
<v Speaker 2>to talk to my man.

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's kind of when people talk about we live

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 3>in a simulation and I wass asking him, Okay, well

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 3>then who created the universe where they created the simulation

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.799
<v Speaker 3>And people are like, I don't have an answer for that,

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, of course you don't. So Lily did

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 3>leave us with one scientific maxim I'd like to share

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.800
<v Speaker 3>about exploring unknown realms. In the province of the mind,

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 3>what one believes to be true either is true or

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 3>becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 3>found like experimentally and experientially. When so found, these limits

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 3>the province of the mind, there are no limits. However,

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.280
<v Speaker 3>in the province of the body, there are definite limits

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 3>not to be transcended.

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's take a little break and when we're back,

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 3>we will dive back into this pool and discuss one

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.760
<v Speaker 3>of the Lively's most promising researchers and hear about where

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 3>she took his work and her attempts to communicate with dolphins.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 3>It's also ridiculous and criminal, Elizabeth.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are dip.

0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Back in the pool and get down with some.

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Dolphins for our next watering.

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 3>They look nice, by the way, for our next bout

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 3>of magical thinking with science, I'd like to introduce you

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 3>to Margaret love It.

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Hello.

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 3>She worked at Lily's dolphin lab on the US Virgin Islands,

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 3>and she was this volunteer naturalist.

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 2>She loved it. She was a nature Margaret loved it.

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.319
<v Speaker 2>She Margaret love It.

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hold that thought, natural born nature lover right as

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>a child. Her future interest in science was also inspired

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.720
<v Speaker 3>by a book she read. The book was called Miss Kelly.

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Those islands are the blue dolphins close?

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 3>No? Miss Kelly is about a cat who could speak

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 3>with and communicate with human beings. That sounds awesome, right,

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 3>So this dream stayed with young Margaret, and so when

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 3>she got older she wanted to learn to speak with animals.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 3>He's like, what do you want to do for a living?

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:44.320
<v Speaker 3>I want to learn to speak with animals?

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Why?

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And then she finds this book by John Lily called

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Man and Dolphin, which he'd published in nineteen sixty one.

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 3>It was a popular book, It was a bestseller. It

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 3>captivates Margaret love It's imagination. In his book mannon Dolphin,

0:45:56.520 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 3>Lily described how dolphins could imitate human speech, and he

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 3>wrote about his hopes to one day teach dolphins to

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>speak English, and if he's successful, dolphins would be able

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 3>to then use their new voice to advocate for themselves.

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>And one day Lily opined that dolphins might have their

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.839
<v Speaker 3>own seat at the United Nations. Oh no, they can

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 3>help the shape world share knowledge.

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>That sounds great. Did she come from money too.

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 3>No, not so much. She's I can't say bold to.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Be like, what do you want to do for a living?

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I want to learn how to talk to animals. Were like, well,

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>that's great.

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 3>But I think she's she's like bouncing around and like willing,

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 3>like hey can I like, you know, stay here for

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 3>free and I'll donate my time like that. So when

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 3>she sees the book Margaret love It, she gravitates to

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 3>doctor Lily and his work with dolphins. She travels down

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 3>to his lab. As I said, she volunteers. She works

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 3>with him for two years at Dolphin House. In fact,

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 3>it was her idea to waterproof the lab and make

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 3>it an aquatic lab where dolphins could live indoors and

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.720
<v Speaker 3>outdoors and be studied. So she first arrives in nineteen

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 3>sixty four. Lily it was deep into his l the

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 3>experiments at the time with the dolphins. She immediately embraced

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 3>his whole mission, if not his methods. She wanted to

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 3>help teach dolphins to speak English too. She's this kind heart,

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 3>natural m path like very well suited for the work,

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 3>like early hippie. But I forgot to mention where John

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 3>Lilly got the idea to give LSD to dolphins. Turns

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 3>out it was suggested to him by the producer of

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:22.720
<v Speaker 3>the Flipper movies.

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I thought you're gonna say the Nazis.

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, not not in this case, a man

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.959
<v Speaker 3>named Ivan Tors. He was like, that's it is great.

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 3>You should give it to dolphins and see what happens.

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Right. So the guy, this guy is the producer for Flippers.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>He just goes around being like, let's give does he

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 2>have a dolphin issue?

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 3>He also did Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges, which is

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 3>like he plays a frog man and like he was

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 3>all about that underwater, Like.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>I I'd like to unpack that with him someday.

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should always we could find ivan tours.

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>He's probably rip, but that's cool.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 3>I can't I tell you Frans, you know what.

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll telekinesis my way into a conversation.

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Now, Margaret love Its on things, use your telepathy. She

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.839
<v Speaker 3>was not so charitable as to be like, let's give

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 3>LSD to dolphins. She was concerned about animal welfare. Remember

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 3>she's an mpath so she was against giving LSD just

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 3>to see if they would learn English by making psychedelic

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 3>with her. So she kind of deal with Lily. He

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 3>had three dolphins he was working with, right, but he'd

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 3>only give an LSD and speech lessons to two of them.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 3>So she asked that the youngest one, the third dolphin,

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 3>who was named Peter. She's like, let Peter be my

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 3>research subject that I work with, and I'll try to

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.280
<v Speaker 3>teach him to speak English. No LSD, And Lily's like, okay,

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you got to do yeah, right, this makes sense. So

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:40.279
<v Speaker 3>no acid for Peter. He's like the control dolphin. And

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 3>but he would you know, he would keep giving it

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.120
<v Speaker 3>to the other two dolphins. Now, meanwhile, working with Peter

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 3>all the time caused love It to cross some ethical

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 3>boundaries of her own. As she put it that relationship

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 3>of having to be together sort of turned into really

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 3>enjoying being together and wanting to be together and missing

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 3>him when I wasn't there, Like she gets becomes obsessed. Right,

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm making a f I know you are now. As

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.359
<v Speaker 3>she later recalled, leaving Dolphin House was really difficult for her,

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Like each day when she would go to leave work,

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.399
<v Speaker 3>as she put it, every night we would all get

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.719
<v Speaker 3>in our cars and pull the garage door down and

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.720
<v Speaker 3>drive away, and I thought, well, there's this big brain

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 3>floating around all night. It amazed me that everybody kept leaving,

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 3>and I just thought that was wrong. So Sam, she

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 3>petitions Lily to let her stay there round the clocks,

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 3>seven days a week, twenty four hours a day. Ma'am

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 3>hanging out with the dolphins, and that way she can

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 3>focus more intently on teaching Peter how to speak English.

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>That's not healthy, Peter tell her this isn't healthy.

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.359
<v Speaker 3>She made the argument that it's like how a mother

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 3>teaches a child to learn to speak Okay, she reasoned,

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe it was because I was living so close to

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 3>the lab. It just seems so simple, like why let

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 3>the water get in the way. So I said to John, Lily,

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I want to plaster everything and fill this place with water,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 3>and I want to live here. So that's how they

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.399
<v Speaker 3>came up with that we should turn the inside into

0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 3>the outside.

0:49:58.200 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Because she wanted to cohabitize.

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 3>She made like a dolphin living room, so lily, she seventies,

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 3>so lily. He loves her commitment. He's like, oh, right,

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 3>he loves her idea of an underwater lab inside the building, right,

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 3>So he's high. So he approves her plan to waterproof

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the floor of the lab, flood the indoor area, invite

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 3>some dolphins in, and that's how she starts living with

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Peter the dolphin six days a week, just the two

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 3>of them, practicing English, cohabitating like roommates, like mother and

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.239
<v Speaker 3>dolphin child, however you want to describe it. But then

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 3>on the seventh day of each week, she would rest no,

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 3>but Peter would swim back out into the pool that

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 3>was connected to the Caribbean Sea and he would then

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 3>spend time with the other two dolphins who are getting

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 3>injected with liquid.

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 2>LSD talking smack on her, just complaining about her.

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 3>So she's like, oil, I'm telling you, I don't know

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 3>what it is, like what dog so they were both females.

0:50:57.560 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 3>The other two right, They were named Pamela and Sissy,

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.920
<v Speaker 3>and as love it remembers them, Sissy was the biggest,

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 3>like pushy, loud, she sort of ran the show. Pamela

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:11.439
<v Speaker 3>was very shy and fearful, and Peter was a young guy.

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 3>He was sextually coming of age and a bit naughty.

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 3>You hear this a lot with dolphins. They apparently love to, like,

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, rub themselves on stones, and they're just frisky

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 3>and naughty, and so she's like, oh, yeah, he's our

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 3>bad boy. Now. Being a human unsuited for living in

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:29.240
<v Speaker 3>water for six days a week, Margaret required some space

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't underwater. So she had a desk built that

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 3>was attached to the ceiling and suspended for there, so

0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 3>she'd keep her notes and do her paperwork on that

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 3>desk that's suspended from the ceiling. Yeah.

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.439
<v Speaker 3>And she also needed a place to sleep, so since

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.399
<v Speaker 3>she was in the lab for six days a week,

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours a day, so that's where she would sleep,

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 3>was on this raised platform that she created out of

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 3>the water, so she didn't get pruned up. Yeah, can

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:53.919
<v Speaker 3>you imagine that.

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>She didn't even want to be like in the next room.

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 3>No. Yeah, she wanted to be like mother and child like,

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 3>so she can honly be telling him.

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Did anyone ever tell her that moms sometimes get their

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 2>own kids in the other room? Yeah?

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 3>So, But can you imagine that? Like laying on a

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.000
<v Speaker 3>platform looking around, You're like in this little room with

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 3>just you and a dolphin. I can't well, don't answer that, Elizabeth,

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 3>because I want you to close your eyes. Say it,

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:19.080
<v Speaker 3>and I want you to picture the eyes a closed

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 3>It's a calm night at the dolphin house. The set

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 3>of pumps that errate the water hum as they work.

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 3>The echo of the water lightly splashing against the walls

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 3>is a soft comfort. And you, Elizabeth, are a water

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 3>skimmer insect. With your long, lean legs, you balanced gingerly,

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 3>held up by the surface tension of the water. At

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.919
<v Speaker 3>the moment, all is still in the lab. The only

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 3>other intelligent creatures in the dolphinarium are Peter the dolphin

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 3>and Margaret, the human scientist. Peter is asleep, so he

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.320
<v Speaker 3>occasionally surfaces for a breath of air, but he doesn't

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 3>swim around much. However, the human Margaret, she can't sleep.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:04.440
<v Speaker 3>You really wish she would, because you'd like to settle

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 3>into some rest of your own instead. You keep hearing

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 3>her speak aloud to herself. She must be recording herself

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 3>for notes. It's something she does often. You're used to

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.760
<v Speaker 3>it by now. As she prattles on, you remind yourself

0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 3>that you should find a better place to sleep. But

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 3>the protection from predators is hard to beat. At the moment,

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 3>you hear Margaret as she narrates her existence and her

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 3>doubts about her life choices. It seems difficult being human.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Then she starts back up again. You hear her click

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 3>on her recording device and she says human people are

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.960
<v Speaker 3>out there having dinner or whatever, and here I am.

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.360
<v Speaker 3>You sigh to yourself and think, girl, please go to sleep.

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 3>It is late, but in said, she crattles on. There's

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a moonlight reflecting on the water, this fin and this

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.720
<v Speaker 3>bright eye looking at me. Wow, Why am I here?

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 3>You roll your eyes. It's another one of her existential nights. Perfect.

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 3>You hear her and record some more of her thoughts.

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 3>What am I doing here? I guess you could say,

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like trying to find out what Peter's doing here,

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:11.240
<v Speaker 3>and then what we can do together? As if on cue.

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Peter resurfaces, takes a deep breath through his blowhole, and

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 3>then stas back into his sleep. Underwater. You use your

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 3>long legs to run across the surface of the water.

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she won't be so loud on the other side

0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 3>of the dolphinarium and you can finally get some sleep too.

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 3>But just as you get comfortable against a far wall,

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 3>you hear her speak up again. This is the whole point.

0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Nobody has done this before. You think to yourself, yeah, girl,

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 3>you're a pioneer. Please shut up and just go to sleep.

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 3>So there you are, Elizabeth. That's an example of shared

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 3>aquatic life for Margaret love It and her dolphin roommate Peter.

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh it sounds fabulous, Sign me up.

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.719
<v Speaker 3>The larger question remains, was she successful? Did she ever

0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 3>get the dolphin to speak English well? Over time? She

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 3>tried to teach Peter to greet her each day and

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 3>to say her name like through his whistles and clicks,

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.319
<v Speaker 3>And there's audio recordings of her trying to get him

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:09.439
<v Speaker 3>to say hello, Margaret or whatever. Right as she tells it,

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 3>em was very difficult, my name Hello, Margaret. I worked

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 3>on the MMM sound and he eventually rolled over to

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 3>bubble it through the water, and that he worked on

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:23.360
<v Speaker 3>so hard.

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I don't have less.

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. So, Elizabeth, you're spending six days a week

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 3>with a dolphin living together, one might lose sight of

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 3>what makes you and the dolphin different as you focus

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.879
<v Speaker 3>on what makes you the same. Well, one thing about

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.479
<v Speaker 3>dolphins is, as I said earlier, they are a very

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 3>horny creature. And Peter was young, so he was horny

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 3>like a teenage boy.

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Ye.

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Margaret didn't really consider that night at first, but Peter

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.480
<v Speaker 3>made his interest obvious. As she recalls it, we had

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 3>nothing to do was when we did the most. He

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 3>was very, very interested in my anatomy. If I was

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 3>sitting here and my legs were in the water, he

0:55:58.200 --> 0:55:59.759
<v Speaker 3>would come up and look at the back of my

0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.040
<v Speaker 3>for a long time. He wanted to know how that

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:06.239
<v Speaker 3>thing worked, and I was so charmed by it. So

0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.800
<v Speaker 3>naturally their relationship progresses and begins to blur the boundaries

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 3>that nature had erected to keep the species separate. As

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.799
<v Speaker 3>love It tells it, Peter liked to be with me.

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 3>He would rub himself on my knee or my foot

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 3>or my hand and at first, I would put him

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 3>downstairs with the girls. Now, I notice that she said

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 3>at first, which implies that things change, which they did.

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Remember how I said dolphins are extra horny. Just keep

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:30.440
<v Speaker 3>remembering that.

0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to remember.

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 3>It got in the way of their work together. It

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 3>would take her too much time to transfer Peter to

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 3>go spend time with the two female dolphins, and he

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 3>can relieve his natural urges. So Margaret love it just

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 3>started letting him relieve his urges on her stock. Don't

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:45.760
<v Speaker 3>be gross, Elizabeth. They didn't have sex.

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I just boundary.

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.360
<v Speaker 3>But like with Bill Clinton, it depends on what the

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 3>definition of these is or In other words, while she

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 3>did not have sexual relations with the dolphin, Peter did

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 3>enjoy sexual stimulation. Margaret let the dolphin get off on

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 3>her life leg course. O, my god, I allowed that.

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't uncomfortable with it is It wasn't.

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Rough she is unwell, she is unwell.

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it would just become part of what was going on,

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 3>like an itch. Just get rid of it, scratch it,

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 3>and move on. That's how it seemed to work out.

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't private. People coulds observe it. Oh, she was

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 3>doing it in front of it because they haven't observed race.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 2>This place needs to just be leveled, flood the whole joint.

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.640
<v Speaker 2>They have real you got the leader of it is

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>just out of his mind on drugs, floating in the

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:36.840
<v Speaker 2>sensory deprivation.

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Tank, trying to unlock cosmic She's.

0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Romancing the dolphins and oh my god, these people.

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Remember there's also people who like to watch it. I

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:47.880
<v Speaker 3>do like to watch, but they're scientists who are like

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 3>documenting all of this.

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, this is why, this is why we have to

0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:54.680
<v Speaker 2>fight for funding for science.

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 2>They make everybody look like a ding dog.

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Agree now to be crystal clear love. It articulated what

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 3>exactly happened in the waters of the dolphin area. Peter

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 3>was right there.

0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to hear.

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 3>He knew that I was right there. It was sexual

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 3>on my part, sensuous perhaps it seemed to me that

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 3>it made the bond closer, not because of the sexual activity,

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 3>but because of the lack of having to keep breaking.

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.760
<v Speaker 3>That's really all it was. I was there to get

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 3>to know Peter, and that was part of Peter.

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:27.680
<v Speaker 2>She is unwell.

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, the rest of the world finds out what's going on. Oh,

0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 3>that's fortune at the Dolphin House. When the magazine Hustler

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:39.919
<v Speaker 3>publishes a story Margaret and Peter, and this catches love

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 3>it totally, by surprise, she doesn't know. They don't come

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 3>down an interviewer. They just apparently see some stories coming out.

0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Some one of the other scientists was like this and

0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.960
<v Speaker 2>tried to write like a Pehouse Forum letters. They wouldn't

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 2>take it. He goes to Hustler, Bob, let's do this.

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 3>I think Larry Flint's Hustler. I think he's Pehouse's Penhouse,

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.760
<v Speaker 3>one of those Yeah, let's do it, let's do it.

0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 3>So she tells it. I never even heard of Hustler.

0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I think there was two magazine stores on the island

0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:10.600
<v Speaker 3>at the time, and I went to one and I

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.760
<v Speaker 3>looked and I found this story with my name and

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Peter and a drawing. So when she sees the story

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 3>in Hustler about her and Peter, she buys up all

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 3>the copies of the magazine that are for sale, right

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 3>but she can she can't afford to buy all the

0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 3>issues ever published. So the story gets out there and

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 3>I love it, puts it to this day. The Hustler

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 3>story still exists online. You can still find a story. Yeah,

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.880
<v Speaker 3>and she told The Guardian in an interview, it's a

0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:40.000
<v Speaker 3>bit uncomfortable. The worst experiment in the world I've read

0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.480
<v Speaker 3>somewhere was me and Peter. That's fine, I don't mind.

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 3>But that was not the point of it, not the

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 3>result of it. So I just ignore.

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It, ma'am, ma'am. If you're doing something and you feel like,

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>uh oh, if everyone else in the world finds out

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 2>about this, this is bad businesses stop usually right now.

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 3>If you're wonder what happened to Peter the dolphin after

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Lily lost his funding for the Dolphin House lab because

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:08.320
<v Speaker 3>I remember his director left, Robin said, I couldn't keep Peter.

1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Has he been a cat or a dog then maybe,

1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 3>but not a dolphin? No kidding, she had. They sent

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 3>him to a private lab in Miami, where Lily opened

1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 3>up his private lab him go no, no, he can't

1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:22.440
<v Speaker 3>at this point, he's way too captive. So thanks to

1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:25.000
<v Speaker 3>research like this, in nineteen seventy nine, the United States

1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:29.160
<v Speaker 3>passed new legislation to protect dolphins from humans from Lily

1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:32.439
<v Speaker 3>and Margaret Love It specifically, it's the Animal Welfare Act.

1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 3>It outlines laws that govern the care for captive dolphins

1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 3>and other cetaceans used for research. There are also state laws.

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 3>For instance, I found in Texas it's illegal to speak

1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.600
<v Speaker 3>to a dolphin. Really, you can't even don't talk to

1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:45.080
<v Speaker 3>that dolphins.

1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:48.000
<v Speaker 2>And they were like, oh, this is a gateway.

1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:50.919
<v Speaker 3>Like if you're in Texas and you're on a boat

1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:52.600
<v Speaker 3>or on a dock and you see a dolphin, you

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:55.560
<v Speaker 3>speak to them, you just broke the law. Wow, is

1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 3>the Houston Chronicle put it. In Texas, where dolphins are

1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 3>regularly spotted in your shorelines, peers and tour boats, especially

1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:04.240
<v Speaker 3>around Galveston and Surfside Beach, it's against the law to

1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:08.400
<v Speaker 3>try to interact with them anyway. That includes feeding, swimming alongside, touching,

1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 3>or even attempting to get their attention. So under federal law,

1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.360
<v Speaker 3>according to the statutes of the Marine Mammal Protection Act,

1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:18.320
<v Speaker 3>if you violate that law on harass a dolphin, you

1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:20.440
<v Speaker 3>can get jail time and be fined up to one

1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand dollars. That's good, there, he goes. This is

1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:25.440
<v Speaker 3>all thanks to, as you pointed out, a few well

1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.760
<v Speaker 3>meaning scientists, and it's now illegal for you to speak

1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:32.080
<v Speaker 3>with a wild dolphin alone. It's definitely illegal to give

1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:36.160
<v Speaker 3>a dolphin LSD. So there you go. What's your ridiculous

1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:36.640
<v Speaker 3>takeaway here?

1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:39.520
<v Speaker 2>A little wild, be wild? Stop with this. I mean,

1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I understand that there are things that we need to investigate.

1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:45.920
<v Speaker 2>There's research that has to be done. But you know,

1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:48.919
<v Speaker 2>when you get someone who is unwell, both of those

1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, bozos, they bring their own issues to it,

1:01:55.600 --> 1:01:58.080
<v Speaker 2>that's not real research, that's just tainted.

1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 3>It's you know, just like religion. By the way, just

1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:06.000
<v Speaker 3>like with the religion, scientists can also suffer from righteousness

1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:10.280
<v Speaker 3>to pursue something with the zealotry of a religious you know,

1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.280
<v Speaker 3>pursuit and they go like, I want to find I

1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.880
<v Speaker 3>want to unlock you. I can teach dolphins to speak English,

1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.160
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, you're giving them LSD. You're like, okay,

1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:18.240
<v Speaker 3>maybe across the line.

1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and everyone has an agenda, yes, but you know

1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times you can separate that out or

1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:28.840
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge it. But when your agenda is your own mental instability,

1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that makes it.

1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 3>If someone else is giving you money and you have

1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.360
<v Speaker 3>to use it up and you got to show results,

1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:37.600
<v Speaker 3>you're a little more likely to do insane things windows.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what is a publisher parish it All of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden you're like, how do I get liquid LSD

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<v Speaker 3>in the same in the Virgin Islands? All right, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the move for a talk bang alway produce

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<v Speaker 3>a D Can you hit us with one?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, Hey guys, I've been enjoying your show for

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<v Speaker 4>many years, and I swear my IQ goes up every

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<v Speaker 3>Praise that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm usually told that people's IQs drop after talking to me,

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<v Speaker 2>So that felt really good and I thank you for that.

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