Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio and there.
Speaker 2: She is missed the Lizabid I go gonna save the day.
Speaker 2: How are you doing there?
Speaker 3: Pretty well? Consider my day saved.
Speaker 2: I saved the day for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 3: You do for me, I mean, my day is already
Speaker 3: looking up and now it's saved too.
Speaker 2: If it's not comfortable, this is true. Yah, you make
Speaker 2: the call.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you over there, save her
Speaker 3: and destroyer of worlds?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I do know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Share it with me.
Speaker 2: It has to do with ranch dressing. You fan a
Speaker 2: ranch dressing?
Speaker 3: Yes, breathe through it. Okay, here's how I put it.
Speaker 3: I never had ranch dressing until I went to UH
Speaker 3: college and then and then I had it. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, and really the only thing
Speaker 3: I ever eat it with, But it's not true. I
Speaker 3: eat it with pizza because that's how I learned it.
Speaker 3: And then I tried to put it any on salads
Speaker 3: when it was the only dressing and I didn't want
Speaker 3: to go with like blue cheese or something, and I
Speaker 3: was like, huh yeah, Because I grew up my father
Speaker 3: there was just oil and vinegar or Italian dressing, and
Speaker 3: then my mother had like Catalina in French dressing, so
Speaker 3: I never saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never had ranch at Woodstocks Pizza in Davis, Californy.
Speaker 3: That's where I learned.
Speaker 2: That's where I learned. They give you ranch with the pizza.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the h am I supposed
Speaker 2: to do? Exactly what the h E? Double hockey sticks
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 3: And you're not supposed to drizzle, You're supposed to dip
Speaker 3: dip yearned And then.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is kind of great if the
Speaker 2: pizza is like not not like sparkle tacular anyway. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't put it on a salad. I can't go there.
Speaker 2: It's two thicks anyway. Ranch dressing, that's one thing. Put
Speaker 2: that put a pin in that pen stuff. Have you
Speaker 2: ever been to Great Wolf Lodge? Do you know what
Speaker 2: that is?
Speaker 3: It sounds familiar. I don't think I have.
Speaker 2: It's my understanding that it is like an indoor water park.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I've seen ads just like kids pee
Speaker 2: in the water. Sure, I think they encourage it. They're
Speaker 2: probably signs.
Speaker 3: They give rewards, little stickers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's a rewards program. They have this list
Speaker 2: of where they are located all across the USA. My
Speaker 2: favorite is there's a location in San Francisco slash Mantica, California.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell.
Speaker 2: You something right now, y'all. Mantica is nowhere near San Francisco.
Speaker 2: But let's you know, don't stop believing anyho So Mountain
Speaker 2: Range Valley. All right? Anyway, what was I saying? Great
Speaker 2: Wolf Lodge Ranch Dressing and you know what I'm going
Speaker 2: to go to now, milkshakes Because the Great Wolf Lodge,
Speaker 2: in honor of Ranch Dressing Day, which was March tenth,
Speaker 2: they started selling a ranch milkshake. It is blended with
Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream and ranch dressing, garnished with Crispy chicken,
Speaker 2: so like little Chicky Nuggies. So like is that like
Speaker 2: on the rim of the glass, Well, it's a salty
Speaker 2: lime rim. But then on little skewers there's Chicky Nuggies, carrots, celery,
Speaker 2: whipped cream in my shake, in your shake, and so
Speaker 2: it's eight bucks. You can get it at Great Wolf
Speaker 2: Lodge until they're not they're going to stop this madness
Speaker 2: May twentieth, So get there beforehand. The thing is is
Speaker 2: that they've been like wilding out on social media because
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about how disgusting it is. Sure on Twitter,
Speaker 2: but then Great Wolf Lodge, which is on Twitter, which
Speaker 2: makes me highly suspicious, they get on there and they
Speaker 2: respond to this stuff. So someone's like getting ready to
Speaker 2: puke now, and Great Wolf Lodge responded with the laughing
Speaker 2: emoji and said that rant shake will do that to you.
Speaker 2: Vibes alone are enough to flip a stomach.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like milkshake duck.
Speaker 2: But it's I think that's the new era that we're in,
Speaker 2: is that you're supposed to come up with the most
Speaker 2: disgusting things possible to go viral.
Speaker 3: It's the attention economy.
Speaker 2: The attention economy. They also someone just kept asking why,
Speaker 2: and then the Lodge responded, honestly, that shake feels like
Speaker 2: chaos in a cup. Why is the only correct reaction? Okay,
Speaker 2: cool kids, I.
Speaker 3: Just come on now, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: But you know who has the final word on this?
Speaker 3: Not I, not you, No producer, No.
Speaker 2: Not not you.
Speaker 3: I know it's not me.
Speaker 2: R and b Legend Dion Warwick.
Speaker 3: Yes, this will be good.
Speaker 2: She commented on the post and she said, quote just
Speaker 2: in the kitchen wasting food.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dion.
Speaker 2: She knows God bless So that is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: My god, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: The end goodbye.
Speaker 3: Now that you cleared the end day ruined, I got
Speaker 3: something ridiculous for you. It's way more fun than that.
Speaker 3: Good Yeah, giving dolphins LSD because you know science.
Speaker 5: Oh, this is ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and
Speaker 5: outrageous capers, heists and cons.
Speaker 3: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred
Speaker 3: percent ridiculous murder was the case they gave you free, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: I got a wild one for you about dolphins and
Speaker 3: crime and psychedelics.
Speaker 2: If I could do that dolphins sound, I would do it,
Speaker 2: but I can't.
Speaker 3: Something like that, Yeah, the clicking and the whistle, Yes.
Speaker 2: That just summons the interns.
Speaker 3: Before we get into this, the folks who gave us
Speaker 3: dolphins on l because science. I want to set the
Speaker 3: stage with a different and bizarre story about dolphins. To
Speaker 3: wet your beak, so to speak. It comes to us
Speaker 3: from Florida, so you know it's good. As the local
Speaker 3: news outlet CBS twelve reported earlier this month, on March six,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, dateline Lee County, Florida and I quote,
Speaker 3: dolphins are back in the headlines, and this time they're
Speaker 3: being accused of running Florida's most bizarre development project. Wait, yes,
Speaker 3: so the news stories what they were referring to had
Speaker 3: the following headline update mysterious dolphin kidnapping case takes bizarre
Speaker 3: turn as victim's background raises new questions. That's just got
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 2: In it, right there, there's a lot going dolphin.
Speaker 3: Kidnapping, suspicious victims, background, new questions. Anyway, the story was
Speaker 3: from a different new story. It's reportedly shared by the
Speaker 3: Associated Press out of Fort Myers, Florida and I quote
Speaker 3: and a story that has captivated local residents and gone
Speaker 3: viral on social media. Thirty three year old man found
Speaker 3: disoriented and sunburned on the Santa Belle Causeway early Monday
Speaker 3: morning claimed he was abducted by a pod of dolphins
Speaker 3: and forced to labor on an elaborate underwater construction project.
Speaker 3: Wait right off bed, we have outrageous claims.
Speaker 2: Let's let's go back and let's do some Let's do
Speaker 2: some point by point on here. Sure, so we got
Speaker 2: a sunburned guy on a highway and then he.
Speaker 3: Says, abducted by a pod of dolphins.
Speaker 2: And forced to do like water welding.
Speaker 3: Correct, so I got more for Elizabeth. Back to the
Speaker 3: ap story. Out of Fort Myers, Florida, Lee County Sheriff's
Speaker 3: Office deputies responded to a nine to one to one
Speaker 3: call it approximately five forty five am from a passing
Speaker 3: motorists who spotted Ricky James Hallowell standing barefoot on the
Speaker 3: shoulder of the causeway, drenched in seawater and frantically sketching
Speaker 3: diagrams in the wet sand. Hallowell, a resident of nearby
Speaker 3: Cape Coral, was clad only in faded blue swim trunks,
Speaker 3: with severe sunburn covering his upper body and what appeared
Speaker 3: to be minor abrasions on his hands and feet. Consistent
Speaker 3: he later claimed with quote handling coral and structural materials underwater. Okay,
Speaker 3: so now we're getting into some real details.
Speaker 2: They still sell bath salt.
Speaker 3: I went immediately wint to that, but he wasn't eating faces. Now,
Speaker 3: buckle at Buttercup, because I have a bunch more for you.
Speaker 3: Back to the ap story. According to the official incident
Speaker 3: report obtained by the AP. Hollowell recounted being approached by
Speaker 3: a group of bottle nosed dolphins while swimming recreationally off
Speaker 3: Fort Myers Beach on Friday afternoon. Quote they surrounded me
Speaker 3: like a security detail, Hollowell told deputies. It wasn't aggressive
Speaker 3: at first, but they nudged me deeper away from the
Speaker 3: shore before I knew it. I was at a site
Speaker 3: about forty feet down in the gulf, helping them build
Speaker 3: what looked like a full scale aquatic habitat.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, So at this.
Speaker 3: Point I hope alaren bills are going off for you.
Speaker 3: The questions like how the hell can this be true?
Speaker 3: Or do dolphins construction workers have unions and protections like
Speaker 3: osha but for the ocean too. Well, before we answer
Speaker 3: these questions, I have a few more details. Where are
Speaker 3: you from the AAP. Hallowell learned to communicate with the
Speaker 3: dolphin overlords who would have taken him hostage. Quote. Hallowell
Speaker 3: describe the dolphins communicating via a complex series of echolocation
Speaker 3: clicks and whistles, which he said he quote picked up
Speaker 3: on after a few hours. It was like learning a
Speaker 3: new language on the fly. He identified the apparent leader
Speaker 3: of the pod as Gerald, a large male dolphin with
Speaker 3: distinctive scarring on his dorsal fan, whom he referred to
Speaker 3: as the project Foreman.
Speaker 2: Wait, did Gerald the turkey right have a cousin? I
Speaker 2: have a cousin Gerald or morph?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh I like that reincarnated maybe. So now we
Speaker 3: have a leader of a dolphin construction crew, aka Gerald,
Speaker 3: the alleged Foreman.
Speaker 2: So he's such a task master.
Speaker 3: Oh, hard, hard boss. But you also may have other questions,
Speaker 3: like how the hell did Hallowell survive underwater for days
Speaker 3: without needing access to air food?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm Jared. I like to have logic and reason
Speaker 2: in my story.
Speaker 3: According to Hallowell, and I quote, when pressed by deputies
Speaker 3: on how he survived on water for three days without
Speaker 3: oxygen equipment, Hallowell replied, cryptically, quote Gerald handled the breathing part,
Speaker 3: some kind of bubble system or pressure adaptation. I didn't
Speaker 3: ask too many questions. You don't question Gerald. He's got
Speaker 3: that authoritative vibe.
Speaker 2: I just he kissed Gerald.
Speaker 3: Make them kissing now. I don't know about you, but
Speaker 3: I really hope that you do question Gerald, and more
Speaker 3: generally questioned anyone with what some might cally an authoritative vibe. Right,
Speaker 3: Please just question authoritative vibes. It's usually a front a lie. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the Lee County deputies, they did have some questions, even
Speaker 3: if they weren't about Gerald, leader of the dolphins. The
Speaker 3: deputies were more focused on what Hallowell did once he
Speaker 3: re emerged on land. Notably, they were curious about the
Speaker 3: symbols he was drawing in the sand. I remember that part,
Speaker 3: so back to the age.
Speaker 2: But a guy can't scribble in the sam on the
Speaker 2: side of the highway.
Speaker 3: Is he making diagrams?
Speaker 2: What is this? So?
Speaker 3: According to the AP story out of Fort Myers, Florida,
Speaker 3: and I quote, deputies noted that Hallowell's sand sketches are
Speaker 3: remarkably detailed, spanning roughly ten feet across and including scaled
Speaker 3: blueprints for what resembled a submerged community, multi level condo
Speaker 3: structures made from natural, coral and synthetic like materials, a
Speaker 3: central town square with gathering pods, and even a recreation
Speaker 3: center featuring what Hollowell described as dolphin friendly obstacle courses.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, and he was just scratching this into the
Speaker 2: dirt apparently wanted to get it down. I guess you
Speaker 2: know they do those fine sand.
Speaker 3: Beaches down there, white sand beaches.
Speaker 2: Because I'm just I can't understand how you're getting so
Speaker 2: much detail in this, You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: If like me and apparently you, you're astounded to learn
Speaker 3: that dolphins are building multi level condos from coral with
Speaker 3: rec centers and obstacle courses.
Speaker 2: Gerald is a developer. I mean, what kind of lovely
Speaker 2: farmland down there did he buy up?
Speaker 3: That's exactly destroyed the Florida condo communities continue now. The
Speaker 3: Lee County deputies, they had questions. For instance, Deputy Sean Oakley,
Speaker 3: are reputed eleven year veteran told the AP, I've seen
Speaker 3: my share of oddities in Lee County, but this guy's
Speaker 3: diagrams had zoning regulations penciled in, setbacks, load bearing specs,
Speaker 3: even environmental impact notes. It was detailed enough to make
Speaker 3: you wonder if he wasn't onto something.
Speaker 2: Way, what right?
Speaker 3: So as for how Hollowell survived the strange ordeal and
Speaker 3: managed to get back to land to share with all
Speaker 3: of us these developmental plans of our underwater mammalian cousins,
Speaker 3: According to Hallowell, he was released from his captivity and
Speaker 3: his indentured servitude to Gerald and once he was free,
Speaker 3: he swam ashore. Then he crawled out of the surf.
Speaker 3: His feet touched dry sand. He was like, oh, thank god.
Speaker 3: He was all exhausted, confuse, wondering what he just experienced,
Speaker 3: and brother, I've been there. But once he could stand
Speaker 3: and eventually walk, Hallowell walked until he found the causeway.
Speaker 3: That's where he collapsed and was eventually discovered by the
Speaker 3: deputies responding to the nine to one to one call.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, so, according to the AP story, emergency responders
Speaker 3: transported Hollowell to Lee Memorial Hospital for evaluation, where he
Speaker 3: was treated for dehydration and sunburn. No drugs or alcohol
Speaker 3: were detected in his system.
Speaker 2: Saren what if he's telling the truth?
Speaker 3: Right? How about that aliens and dolphins working together on
Speaker 3: some abyst level thing?
Speaker 2: What I've come to learn, Yes, is it? You hear
Speaker 2: all these conspiracy theories, believe and you think, oh, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and then you find out, oh god, they're real. And
Speaker 2: so now I am just like I'll buy any.
Speaker 3: I'll buy that for a doll.
Speaker 2: I'll buy that for a doll. Yeah, I've been taught recently.
Speaker 3: Recently, same I'm right there with you.
Speaker 2: Go with it, you know, so now I believe them all.
Speaker 3: Tell me about the nine different types of aliens we
Speaker 3: were in contact, Yes, exactly, so we've basically rolled out.
Speaker 3: He wasn't high on basalts, he wasn't tripping on magic mushrooms,
Speaker 3: no LSD. He's stone cold, sober. So how can this be? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm also glad that you're kind of questioning
Speaker 3: yet also willing to accept this story because it gives
Speaker 3: me hope. Kind of. Anyway, back to the story, because
Speaker 3: there were some updates. Okay, once Halliwell was under medical
Speaker 3: supervision in the hospital setting, more tests were run. The
Speaker 3: doctors discover that Well it was. One of the medical
Speaker 3: professionals is doctor Elena Vesquez. She's credited as an attending pulmonologist, right,
Speaker 3: so she shares her opinion in the release of the
Speaker 3: findings of what happened to Hallowell and I quote, this
Speaker 3: isn't consistent with a brief drowning incident or aspiration from swimming.
Speaker 3: It's as if his respiratory system was exposed to seawater
Speaker 3: for an extended period, yet without the expected inflammation or damage.
Speaker 3: We're consulting marine biologists for further insight. But it's puzzling.
Speaker 3: This is all odd, right, Yeah, Elizabeth, I'm glad to
Speaker 3: hear that you do have some questions and some doubt
Speaker 3: for this story.
Speaker 2: That's important.
Speaker 3: I have more details for you, ones that may confound
Speaker 3: your lead to more questions. Apparently, the Lee County Sheriff's
Speaker 3: Department looked into Hollowell's background, and the deputies found that
Speaker 3: demand's a scientist. He'd gone to MIT, worked for Lockheed
Speaker 3: Martin and later NASA. According to AP story, Hallowell quote
Speaker 3: holds a master's degree an aerospace ructures from the Massachusetts
Speaker 3: Institute of Technology. Previously worked for a decade at Lockheed
Speaker 3: Martin in Orlando, where he specialized in advanced composite materials
Speaker 3: and submersible vehicle designs for deep sea exploration projects funded
Speaker 3: by NASA and the US Navy. So Jaron is like
Speaker 3: a headhunter. I mean, he got the.
Speaker 2: Right he really did.
Speaker 3: So this all gives credence to why Gerald, you know,
Speaker 3: picked him to join his construction crew. But one of
Speaker 3: Hollowell's former supervisors was quoted saying that Hallowell was and
Speaker 3: I quote always talking about bio inspired engineering, mimicking marine
Speaker 3: life for better tech. If anyone's story about building for
Speaker 3: dolphins could have a kernel of truth, it's his.
Speaker 2: Oh right.
Speaker 3: So at this point, I still hope that your questions
Speaker 3: are multiplying and growing. I'm talking like exponential progression. I
Speaker 3: want you like going, wait, what the hell is thereon
Speaker 3: telling me? How could any of this be true even
Speaker 3: with all these like corroborations from doctors and former supervisors. Well,
Speaker 3: to answer that fundamental question, I returned to the Lee
Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Office. Okay, and the story from March sixth
Speaker 3: that I mentioned up top from the local news outlet
Speaker 3: CBS twelve, Yeah, yeah, so, and I quote the Lee
Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Office is setting the record straight. On Friday,
Speaker 3: after an outlandish online rumor claimed marine mammals were behind
Speaker 3: an underwater construction operation off Florida's coast. The story gained
Speaker 3: traction after a widely shared social media post reference to
Speaker 3: Florida resident who allegedly reported being quote kidnapped by dolphins
Speaker 3: and forced to build an underwater city. The Sheriff's office
Speaker 3: responded with a tongue in cheek statement assuring residents that
Speaker 3: the region's real estate market had not expanded below sea level.
Speaker 3: So the Lee County Sheriff's Office did indeed have fun
Speaker 3: debunking this viral news story. The deputies. They put out
Speaker 3: a statement that said, and I quote consulted their fictional
Speaker 3: underwater construction investigation team to look into the claim. According
Speaker 3: to the agency, the dolphins that inhabit Southwest Florida's waters
Speaker 3: quote deny any involvement in the supposed deep sea development.
Speaker 3: So what was up with all the AP news story stuff?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That may Your source for this alleged AP story
Speaker 3: was a website called Scottprentice dot com, And in his
Speaker 3: reporting on Gerald and the underwater Dolphin construction crew, he
Speaker 3: wanted to point out the gullibility of online news stories.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Yes, so he also has his own agenda by conspiracies
Speaker 3: and whatnot. So I'm not exactly recommending anyone visit his website.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to cite all my sources to make
Speaker 3: it all obvious.
Speaker 2: Now the local news AP all draws back to this cast.
Speaker 3: The only story that is true is the CBS twelve
Speaker 3: local news outlet that debunked it. Everything else, all that
Speaker 3: AP stuff he was. He was just putting that in
Speaker 3: the news. He's like, yeah, AP story didn't have links
Speaker 3: to it, just an AP news story. Wow, that is right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because the AP Associated Press is cited throughout the story,
Speaker 3: it clearly is not an AP news story. How they
Speaker 3: don't sue, I don't know. But the sheriff's deputies were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the medical personnel, all that stuff is made up
Speaker 3: and it's all all lies essentially. So I will return
Speaker 3: to Scott Prentice for one quote, because he did make
Speaker 3: a good point. This isn't about dismissing humor or creativity.
Speaker 3: It's about discernment. When fake or satirical stories spread like
Speaker 3: wildfire and drown out verifiable warnings, we all lose. The
Speaker 3: dolphin kidnapping might be harmless absurdity, but the pattern is dangerous.
Speaker 3: Distraction wins clicks, truth gets buried. Well, thank you, Scott Prentiss,
Speaker 3: who is doing the very thing anyway. Now that my
Speaker 3: public service is over and done with, Next up, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: I have another dolphin story for you, but one that
Speaker 3: will also have you asking questions, one that will also
Speaker 3: sound out landish and possibly made up. But I promise
Speaker 3: you this next dolphin story is one hundred percent true,
Speaker 3: one percent factual. But before we get into that, let's
Speaker 3: take a little break. Listen to some ads, and when
Speaker 3: we're back, we will get wicked with some LSD AND's
Speaker 3: our mammalian cousin goodness. Yeah. Also we have unexpected celebrity
Speaker 3: appearances like Alan Ginsburg and Carl Sagan.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: We're back, Elizabeth. Hell, now up top. I promised you
Speaker 3: a story about scientists giving dolphins.
Speaker 2: You made that problem.
Speaker 3: Right, which does sound ridiculous and contract it's criminal. So
Speaker 3: as I promised, this story is one hundred percent true.
Speaker 3: No no wool pulling here.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I got to ask you, Elizabeth, who is your
Speaker 3: third favorite dolphin?
Speaker 2: My third favorite dolphin?
Speaker 3: Like to give you a couple of ideas, Like, there's
Speaker 3: obviously Flipper. There's the mascot for the Miami Dolphins. There's Tua,
Speaker 3: who's just been released from the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: So you should just stop altogether. Yeah, there's that's like
Speaker 2: the extent of my knowledge of football should stopper.
Speaker 3: There's free Willie, although he's an or you know what,
Speaker 3: Killer whales are the largest dolphins, so he counts. Really.
Speaker 2: I love when they takeout ships yachts.
Speaker 3: Yes, I like.
Speaker 2: The lease of frank dolphins on the stickers.
Speaker 3: Nice there you go. Well, keep those in mind as
Speaker 3: I start this story. And Elizabeth, i'd like you to
Speaker 3: meet John Lily.
Speaker 2: Hi. John.
Speaker 3: He was born in nineteen fifteen, the son of wealthy parents.
Speaker 3: His father was the president of a local bank in
Speaker 3: Saint Paul, Minnesota, where he grew up. His mother's family
Speaker 3: they owned a stockyard company, so she also came from
Speaker 3: wealth and his well to do existence as a child.
Speaker 3: It allowed him like a life of exploration, right, he
Speaker 3: could make mistakes and it didn't cost him any but
Speaker 3: a luxury totally. He was also the middle child in
Speaker 3: a family of three boys, so you know that he
Speaker 3: made him a little little competitive, little rough and tumble
Speaker 3: and kind of the bad boy.
Speaker 2: He's the forgotten child.
Speaker 3: Early on, it was clear that John Lily was a scientist,
Speaker 3: like he had this burning curiosity. For instance, when he
Speaker 3: was thirteen, he built his own chemistry lab in like
Speaker 3: the basement, I'm assuming yeah, that's where he conducted all
Speaker 3: kinds of experiments. And his love of science was such
Speaker 3: a motivating force in his life even from an early
Speaker 3: age that his fellow students at school, they called him
Speaker 3: Einstein Junior.
Speaker 2: Oh, look at that baby Einstein right now.
Speaker 3: Around the same time, in nineteen twenty eight, at the
Speaker 3: age of thirteen, John Lily asked a question that would
Speaker 3: beguile him for the rest of his life. The question was,
Speaker 3: how can the mind study itself?
Speaker 2: Well, pretty easily, that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of the whole deal all we do. So at
Speaker 3: age sixteen, he penned an essay for school that he
Speaker 3: titled reality.
Speaker 2: Right, how old is he?
Speaker 3: Sixteen? He later said that particular school essay quote laid
Speaker 3: out the trip for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: You know. The teacher who read it just like hurt herself,
Speaker 2: rolling her eyes sprained something.
Speaker 3: Oh I bet. Basically, this guy he's like a psycho
Speaker 3: knot before we had a word for him. And he's
Speaker 3: also definitely full of himself too. Nineteen thirty four, Lily,
Speaker 3: he's now nineteen years old. He reads a book that
Speaker 3: would change the course of his life. Right. This book
Speaker 3: was Brave New World by Aldus Hucks. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 3: early sci fi book. It features like lab grown babies
Speaker 3: and it's got like, you know, there's the five cast
Speaker 3: systems of which type of people you're in Alpha beta,
Speaker 3: gamma delta or absalon. Right. So this is also the
Speaker 3: big part of the book is to maintain social cohesion.
Speaker 3: People constantly consume the mind soothing drug soma right right, Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's basically all about how powerful social paradigms control
Speaker 3: people of the world. Right. This book inspired obviously like
Speaker 3: later sci fi like The Matrix. Yeah, and it definitely
Speaker 3: inspired John Lilly. So for young John Lily, Brave New
Speaker 3: World inspires this fascination with controlling the human mind via pharmacology,
Speaker 3: drugs and whatnot. So it led him to pursue neurophysiology
Speaker 3: as his focus of studies. Good for him, Good for him, right,
Speaker 3: you know? For college, My boy Lily, he attended Caltech
Speaker 3: here in California, Right, But he had a tough go
Speaker 3: of it. He was a sensitive lad. By his junior year,
Speaker 3: he was engaged to be married and his future was
Speaker 3: fast approaching and seemed to be taking shape. But then
Speaker 3: he began to suffer from nervous exhaustion. That's what it
Speaker 3: was called back then. Yeah, now to call him his
Speaker 3: racing mind, his restless soul. Before he gets married, before
Speaker 3: he graduates, he takes the sabbatical from school. He travels north,
Speaker 3: like Jack London, up to lumber Country in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 3: and he starts working as a lumberjack. But he wasn't
Speaker 3: particularly cut out for swinging an axe because one day
Speaker 3: he missed his mark and instead he put the acts
Speaker 3: right into his foot. Ohow, that sent him to the hospital.
Speaker 3: While he's laid up in the hospital having his foot
Speaker 3: be repaired, he decides, you know what, I'd like to
Speaker 3: be a doctor. So he changed his career paths. He
Speaker 3: enrolls at Dartmouth Medical School to make his new dream
Speaker 3: a reality. And he was an eager student, curious as ever.
Speaker 3: Remember total great scientists, So like, there was one time
Speaker 3: he was performing a dissection of a cataver that I
Speaker 3: read about. He decided, how long are the intestines? And
Speaker 3: so what does he do? He unwinds the intestines from
Speaker 3: the cadaver and just stretches out. He just unspools the
Speaker 3: intestinal track all across this room. Right, He's got it's
Speaker 3: like thirty eight feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah you read it, but you're like, is that true?
Speaker 2: Verify always verify.
Speaker 3: Trust, but verify. So this is the kind of scientists.
Speaker 3: He was very hands on, right, he was willing yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: he'd reach in there, get up in them guts. Now,
Speaker 3: while he was at Dartmouth, he found the medicool school
Speaker 3: Dartmouth wasn't a right fit for him, so he transferred
Speaker 3: to the University of Pennsylvania. Yea, more it's more of
Speaker 3: a research school than Dartmouth. Dartmouth was more about like treatment, right,
Speaker 3: So he wanted to be into research. So during his
Speaker 3: time at penn he took a class and the class
Speaker 3: was called how to build an Atomic Bomb.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: At the time, this was like, you know, right before
Speaker 3: World where it's like, you know, early World War two,
Speaker 3: before War two, so this is a brand new idea.
Speaker 3: He and his fellow students are so geeked about what.
Speaker 2: They're learning in medical school.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, it's just a science class.
Speaker 2: I was like that, so messed up medicals.
Speaker 3: You know, all the other students they start compiling their
Speaker 3: notes and write a book with the title how to
Speaker 3: build an Atomic bomb? Okay, Now, obviously that would be
Speaker 3: a major interest to a lot of people who are
Speaker 3: not going to the American universities. Yeah, naturally, this catches
Speaker 3: the attention of the director of the Manhattan Project. He's like, Nay,
Speaker 3: what are you doing boys. So the leading physicist they're
Speaker 3: all trying to make a real atomic bomb for the
Speaker 3: first time and they have not done it yet. They
Speaker 3: know the theory, which is what these students learned. So
Speaker 3: he demands that the students not publish their book. And
Speaker 3: he's like, this is a highly classified subject.
Speaker 2: Know that it was a race against time because Saren,
Speaker 2: I saw Oppenheimer.
Speaker 3: You know, I was there. So the director of the
Speaker 3: man hadn't project. He can't stop the publication because Lily
Speaker 3: and his student co authors, they didn't include any classified materials.
Speaker 3: Are just all the theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: My point is Lily was a true iconoclast and a
Speaker 3: hands on scientists. Right, he didn't care. He felt that
Speaker 3: science was bigger than the aims of any one nation. Right.
Speaker 3: In fact, he believed science is bigger than the concerns
Speaker 3: of humanity. It was like a set of cosmic mysteries
Speaker 3: to be solved.
Speaker 2: Then hip hop, right, you know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, after World War two is over, Lily returns to
Speaker 3: his prior fascination with neurophysiology. Nineteen fifty three, he joins
Speaker 3: the US Public Health Service Commissioned Officers Corps, and he
Speaker 3: goes to work for the National Institute of Mental Health,
Speaker 3: grand fit for him. This is where he comes up
Speaker 3: with his first big contribution to science. He invents the
Speaker 3: isolation tank aka the sensory deprivation tank. He invented the
Speaker 3: sensory deprivation tank.
Speaker 2: That's sick.
Speaker 3: For those who may not know, Century deprivation tank. It's
Speaker 3: a small chamber. It's filled with salt water that's about
Speaker 3: the same temperature as the human body. As Lily said,
Speaker 3: you can't tell where the water ends and your body begins.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: The tank is windowless, so it's totally dark inside. It's
Speaker 3: also sound proofs and no outside noise can interfere. Once
Speaker 3: you're inside the Century deprivation tank, the subject you you
Speaker 3: float in the salty water, the darkness and the sil
Speaker 3: they wash away your normal existence. Your interiority starts to emerge,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you're like, whoa, this is
Speaker 3: who I am? What am I? Right? Yeah, Elizabeth, quick question,
Speaker 3: would you ever want to float inside a center of deprivation?
Speaker 2: No? I In addition to being afraid of heights, I'm
Speaker 2: also terribly claustrophobia.
Speaker 3: Oh so that would trigger claustrophobia. Yeah, interesting, Like I
Speaker 3: also suffer from claustrophobia. But like if I'm making a
Speaker 3: fissure of rock where like I'm sliding across a mountain,
Speaker 3: then I will have that experiences of it. But like
Speaker 3: I think I could do a century deprivationion tank because
Speaker 3: it's black. You can't see that you are.
Speaker 2: You know, and you know, I mean, I guess for
Speaker 2: me it would be like I can I can do
Speaker 2: like a cat scanner an MRI because I can visualize
Speaker 2: like the rest of the room and know that it's
Speaker 2: not going to trap me totally per se. But with that,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, they shut you in this tank, what
Speaker 2: if they can't get it open again? And this is
Speaker 2: your life forever? Swimming never had that thought swimming in
Speaker 2: your own ways. I always have to take it back
Speaker 2: to that, of course, But or then then running out
Speaker 2: of air and screaming and no one hearing you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely want there to be like an
Speaker 3: easy way to push open the century deprivation. You could
Speaker 3: not like turn knobs from the outside that I can't reach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they just like they lock you in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe they don't, but.
Speaker 3: I think I want like like velcrow latching something easily.
Speaker 3: Just stand up and push out.
Speaker 2: Got to be sealed to be sound prooved.
Speaker 3: Hey, get some rubber. I don't care. We're not We're
Speaker 3: not doing class.
Speaker 2: So you would do it?
Speaker 3: You feel about it as long as I can push
Speaker 3: push it open.
Speaker 2: Now, see when they have those things like the quietest
Speaker 2: room in the world or whatever, and you could hear.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 2: I think I could do it.
Speaker 3: I think you could do I think I could do
Speaker 3: that one pretty much standing on my head like on
Speaker 3: Polly Walnuts.
Speaker 2: I could. I feel like I'm maybe just a little
Speaker 2: bit away from being able to hibernate like a bear.
Speaker 3: You definitely have bear energy.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I do so John lily as I said first person
Speaker 3: to play around the idea of what happens when your
Speaker 3: mind and body are so quieted, denied any stimulus, that
Speaker 3: you float free of your day to day life. He
Speaker 3: finds that this lucid state emerges from inside of you
Speaker 3: and it just takes over your full consciousness. And some
Speaker 3: of his research subjects, like the secondary people he had
Speaker 3: tried you gotta try my tank. They had out of
Speaker 3: body experiences. Others had lucid dreams. So at this point,
Speaker 3: Lily he loves being inside his sensory deprivation tank. Right,
Speaker 3: He's just like, oh, floating there, like this is my
Speaker 3: new home.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He tried to spend more and more time there, like
Speaker 3: it was like a second womb, and he's like, can
Speaker 3: I get in my tank?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: He told one friend, wouldn't it be great to float
Speaker 3: like this twenty four hours a day? So well, I
Speaker 3: mean you could, Oh yeah, I mean you definitely, cud.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't recommend it. You're going to be you know, pruney,
Speaker 3: pruned all up. Yeah. Well, his friend, hearing that, right, replied,
Speaker 3: you should look at dolphins. So this was a poignant comment.
Speaker 3: It would change the whole trajectory of Lily's life, just
Speaker 3: like that acts and the trip to the hospital did,
Speaker 3: except for this time He's like, where can I be
Speaker 3: your around dolphins? And his friend's like, they're available. Go
Speaker 3: down to the marine studios in Florida, And so that's
Speaker 3: what he did.
Speaker 2: You know, the universe laziest things at your feet.
Speaker 3: Pay attention, Yeah, serendipity and all that exactly. So remember
Speaker 3: Lily trained medical doctor, right, he knows about physiology. So
Speaker 3: when he goes down to the Marine Studios in Florida
Speaker 3: to study dolphins. He's overcome by the size and the
Speaker 3: complexity of the brains of dolphins, and he's comparing to
Speaker 3: the human brain, which is like the one of the
Speaker 3: most complex, if not the most complex. He's like, dolphins, man, there,
Speaker 3: this is wild, right, So this becomes his next major fascination.
Speaker 3: At the US Virgin Islands, he found this new lab
Speaker 3: to study dolphins and particularly dolphin communication. Now his lab
Speaker 3: was rather unique. It was built on the coast, and
Speaker 3: in order for humans and dolphins to be together, he
Speaker 3: created the Dolphin House by flooding a section of the building. Right,
Speaker 3: they waterproof the floors of the lab, then they flood
Speaker 3: the rooms inside the lab, which kind of has like
Speaker 3: a a connection to the sea, right, come in and out,
Speaker 3: and this gives the scientists a way to like live
Speaker 3: with and study the dolphins for months at a time. So, Lily,
Speaker 3: he works from the inside out, you know, classic doctor.
Speaker 3: He to understand a dolphin's brain, he focused on their
Speaker 3: language skills. He's like, what are they thinking? I want
Speaker 3: to I'll listen to them, but I'll listen for that
Speaker 3: way it'll tell me how their brain works. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: quickly discovers dolphins speaking coherent clicks and whistles. It very
Speaker 3: much is a language, so he starts to record it.
Speaker 3: He starts to analyze it. What was wild is if
Speaker 3: you listen to dolphins speech underwater, right now, not in
Speaker 3: the air, but underwater, the frequency of dolphins speech underwater
Speaker 3: matches the frequency of human speech in the air, really, right.
Speaker 3: He also finds that the dolphins could nearly imitate human speech,
Speaker 3: which leads him to this conclusion that dolphins speech is
Speaker 3: essentially the same as human speech. His whole theory about
Speaker 3: their brains turns out to really bear fruit. So, but
Speaker 3: dolphin's speech is like just human speech, just much much
Speaker 3: much faster. Right, So he's like, well, how could I
Speaker 3: understand what dolphins are saying? Because I don't obviously speak Dolphinese.
Speaker 3: So he was like, how do I come up with
Speaker 3: an interspecies like communication? Bridge? Now, do you remember that
Speaker 3: meme of Milania Trump and the beluga whale?
Speaker 2: That is exactly what went into my head when he said,
Speaker 2: what do they think?
Speaker 3: What is she thinking? Right? So that's John Lily.
Speaker 2: He's basically, you know, explain it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so it's a picture of a bluego whale
Speaker 3: breaching the surface of water, and Milania says, what is
Speaker 3: she thinking? Right? And it was something she posted, so
Speaker 3: she posted it that that was the only line she
Speaker 3: had is what is she thinking?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: So she wanted to know what does a beluga whale thinking?
Speaker 3: And John Lily is like saying, but dolphins. Now, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: knowing you as I do, I guess at some point
Speaker 3: you've wanted to speak the language of an animal. So
Speaker 3: I gotta ask, of course, which animal would you want
Speaker 3: to be able to understand and like communicate with, like
Speaker 3: your doctor Doolittle dogs dogs interesting specific but your dogs?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but any dogs?
Speaker 2: Any dog?
Speaker 3: Huh? So I think cats would be funny because they're
Speaker 3: just such jerks.
Speaker 2: Oh they're total jerks, right. I don't need to hear
Speaker 2: them insult me.
Speaker 3: I don't even worry about that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that part.
Speaker 3: If a dog, I want to hear them insult other people.
Speaker 2: And I want to know, like, when my dog is
Speaker 2: yelling at people across the street, what are you saying?
Speaker 2: I mean, I have my notion what if it was
Speaker 2: just like, hey, hey, I think that's what it is. Well,
Speaker 2: that's how I love that thinging up with Dug the collar.
Speaker 2: My nephew and I used to watch those Doug shorts
Speaker 2: on the you know Disney Pixar thing. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love those and I really want one for the
Speaker 2: for the dogs.
Speaker 3: That's a good use of AI, by the way, which
Speaker 3: they did start like years ago. You would see when
Speaker 3: AI was becoming a new thing, people talk about, Oh,
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to understand specifically dolphins and dogs, right.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen an update on that in years.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: But the closest we get is when you put those
Speaker 2: buttons on the floor that a dog push to talk totally.
Speaker 2: And I really want to teach my dogs to do that,
Speaker 2: but they're so wilful and they're just like, yeah, what's
Speaker 2: in it for me?
Speaker 3: He's a lot of treats and then well, and then.
Speaker 2: The button would just get warned out.
Speaker 3: You have to get anyone. Get a couple of there,
Speaker 3: Diamon bulk Yeah.
Speaker 2: Aggressive.
Speaker 3: They find a lot of dogs refer to dogs that
Speaker 3: are smaller than them as cats. When the people who
Speaker 3: use those buttons like, really, what's up with cat? Every
Speaker 3: dog that's smaller than them is cat? Anyway, So when
Speaker 3: John Lily sets out to understand and translate dolphin speech,
Speaker 3: he's certain it is more sophisticated than human speech, so
Speaker 3: he would need a powerful tool to decode it. Enter NASA.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty three, NASA pays for Lily to set
Speaker 3: up a new laboratory dedicated to researching dolphins. The reason
Speaker 3: NASA was interested in this is famous scientists like Carl
Speaker 3: Sagan believe that Lily's work to decipher dolphins speech could
Speaker 3: one day help us communicate with aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This is back when NASA had fundings.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nineteen sixty three. I mean they are super funded, right,
Speaker 3: I mean this is like JFK is like, here's a
Speaker 3: blank check, just write whatever you want. So when NASA
Speaker 3: here's at Carl Sagan's down, they're like, how much money
Speaker 3: do you need? They cut him like the super large
Speaker 3: lottery winning check. At this point, John Lily's working in
Speaker 3: his new NASA funded laboratory in the Caribbean, trying to
Speaker 3: like talk with and two dolphins in their language. And
Speaker 3: this is the same time when he starts taking acid.
Speaker 2: We don't why not. It was the sixties, baby, totally.
Speaker 3: And I doubt. He told NASA that he was gobbling
Speaker 3: down LSD in the hopes that he would have a
Speaker 3: breakthrough an unlocked dolphin speech. But I don't think DASA. Basically,
Speaker 3: I don't think NASA was down with LSD. But that's
Speaker 3: what they were paying for, is an LSD dolphin study.
Speaker 2: You know, as long as you get the results, I
Speaker 2: don't care how you get there.
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is when things go sideways. Lily had
Speaker 3: been taking LSD for a while, dating back to his
Speaker 3: earlier experiments with sensory deprivation tank, so at the time
Speaker 3: it wasn't illegal for him to do this, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: they hadn't been rescheduled yet as a drug. But being
Speaker 3: a good scientist, he recorded his experiences taking acid in
Speaker 3: his sensory deprivation tank, and as he wrote in his notes,
Speaker 3: I left my body and went into infinite distances, dimensions
Speaker 3: that are inhuman I traveled through my brain, watching the
Speaker 3: neurons and their activities.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, homeboys, right.
Speaker 3: How crazy be doing taking acid? If you're taken acid? No, okay,
Speaker 3: well it would be wild. I'll just trust me on
Speaker 3: that centry deprivation tank sounds I think.
Speaker 2: If I didn't have a panic attack because of claustrophobia.
Speaker 2: If I were in it, I would one hundred percent
Speaker 2: lose my mind. And and then you know, that's why
Speaker 2: I've told you before why I don't haven't taken acid,
Speaker 2: and I will break my brain. It's already CAUs a
Speaker 2: couple of threads at this real fed braain to keep
Speaker 2: it real, calm, slow.
Speaker 3: As we've covered before in our story about Kerry Grant
Speaker 3: taking a ton of LSD in the nineteen fifties. At
Speaker 3: first LSD was seen as this like better living through chemistry,
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until Timothy Leary gets involved and he
Speaker 3: starts feeding acid to the early hippies and he kicks
Speaker 3: off this counterculture revolution with like Cankesi and the Grateful
Speaker 3: Dead and their acid test house parties. That's when the
Speaker 3: US government's like, let's make this illegal, ye. So, But
Speaker 3: after LSD was scheduled as a drug and made illegal,
Speaker 3: Lily was still given a license to use it for research.
Speaker 3: So he's still in the clears to the good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so as it's part of his research, he starts
Speaker 3: injecting liquid LSD into dolphins because he's convinced this will
Speaker 3: unlock the secrets of dolphins.
Speaker 2: Speech, there's not there's not a lot of consent dolphins
Speaker 2: can give. Zero.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine giving a bunch of dolphins LSD just
Speaker 3: to see what happens? Oh right, like cosmic secrets and.
Speaker 2: Their dogs drunk?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now you're doing it like all the time.
Speaker 3: People will get their dogs drunk. It's like maybe on
Speaker 3: one weekend. He's doing this Monday through Sunday. I mean,
Speaker 3: just like come in for your tail.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't do that to a human being.
Speaker 3: No, we wouldn't do it to like a kid. Would
Speaker 3: probably even do it to a chimban. He did, Yeah,
Speaker 3: who knows? So what did they What did he find
Speaker 3: when the dolphins got sick and twisted on at question?
Speaker 2: So I am the one who asked what.
Speaker 3: The dolphin research is that Lily's Dolphin has lab discovered
Speaker 3: is that dolphins were roughly seventy percent more vocal when
Speaker 3: they were tripping on acid. They just started gibber jabbering
Speaker 3: like you know, human beings on cocaine. All right, But
Speaker 3: as Lily wrote in his notes, the important thing for
Speaker 3: us with the LSD and the dolphin is that what
Speaker 3: we see has no meaning in the verbal sphere. We
Speaker 3: are out of what you might call the rational exchange
Speaker 3: of complex ideas because we haven't developed communication in that
Speaker 3: particular way as yet. So basically they're talking more, we
Speaker 3: still don't understand a word. Sure, So, as a veterinarian,
Speaker 3: this guy Andy Williamson said he was summing up the
Speaker 3: experience of giving LSD to dolphins, and he pointed out
Speaker 3: that different species react to different pharmaceuticals in different ways.
Speaker 3: A tranquilizer made for horses might induce a state of
Speaker 3: excitement in a dog. Playing with pharmaceuticals is a tricky
Speaker 3: business to say the least. So basically, dolphins didn't get
Speaker 3: off on acid the same way human beings do. So, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess this is not the universal key. So after
Speaker 3: injecting the dolphins with liquid LSD for a while, Lily
Speaker 3: finds it's not helping him understand the dolphin language. It
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be helping the dolphins themselves.
Speaker 2: Their minds are already expanded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, there's no cosmic mysteries to unlocked because
Speaker 3: the dolphins maybe on a higher level road. That's not
Speaker 3: to say no lessons were learned, because meanwhile, one of
Speaker 3: his friends said he watched Lily transform from a scientist
Speaker 3: with a white coat to a full blown hippie. Oh right. So,
Speaker 3: by the mid sixties, as the acid counterculture starts taking
Speaker 3: hold of the public's imagination, they see how scientists, like
Speaker 3: the scientist views of Alstee change because of society. Right.
Speaker 3: So the director of his lab, he's had enough. Right,
Speaker 3: He decides this is a waste of my one wild,
Speaker 3: precious life. He doesn't want to be associated with any
Speaker 3: hippie dippy science, so he leaves a project, and by
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight the lab loses its NASA funding. The
Speaker 3: Dolphin House Lab is closed. Lily is like, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Man, and all these burnout dolphins are left just to
Speaker 2: go out and fend for themselves.
Speaker 3: Part of the rainbow family now following the dead around
Speaker 3: the country garbage can. So Lily keeps after his dream
Speaker 3: though of unlocking dolphin speech. He moves on from acid
Speaker 3: and he starts finding private funding. He expands his toolkit
Speaker 3: with new money, and so instead of injecting dolphins with LSD,
Speaker 3: he moves on to telepathy.
Speaker 2: Man, Oh, it's the logical next step.
Speaker 3: In seventy seven, Lily wrote that I have explored and
Speaker 3: voluntarily entered into domains forbidden by a large fraction of
Speaker 3: those in our culture who are not curious and are
Speaker 3: not explorative and are not mentally equipped to enter these domains.
Speaker 3: All right, Timothy Leary's brother. But at this point Lily
Speaker 3: is considered a cautionary tale that this friend radical scientist
Speaker 3: most famous for dosing dolphins with LSD yeah and doing, oh,
Speaker 3: how's your psychedelic tower babble going? Lily? Right, So he
Speaker 3: spends the seventies in his sensory deprivation tank, just getting
Speaker 3: high on ketamine and chasing like new mysteries of human consciousness. So,
Speaker 3: thanks to his ketemine induced titan state, Lily claims that
Speaker 3: he made contact with aliens. Oh and in one of
Speaker 3: his visions, aliens revealed to him that humanity would one
Speaker 3: day create our own doom, which he described as solid
Speaker 3: state systems which would later evolve and take on the
Speaker 3: form of an an autonomous biological state. So basically, this
Speaker 3: thing that we would create would try to eradicate humanity.
Speaker 3: So he is he no, No, it's more like he
Speaker 3: gets high on ketamine and he's like, one day we
Speaker 3: need to worry about the plot of the Terminator movies.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do worry about that.
Speaker 3: But I don't want you to worry, Elizabeth, because Lily
Speaker 3: also said there is a group of benevolent aliens which
Speaker 3: he called the Earth Coincidence Control Office aka Echo, which
Speaker 3: hearkens back to his times with dolphins, obviously, and this
Speaker 3: group of benevolent aliens promises to guide humanity's progress so
Speaker 3: we can avoid our terminator future and help us develop
Speaker 3: a higher level of consciousness.
Speaker 2: I'm bum that the aliens showed up and they talk
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 3: Always they picked the word Jackie Gleeson pointed that out
Speaker 3: when he used to talk. He's like, why if aliens
Speaker 3: want to believe, do they always pick kooks to talk
Speaker 3: to deliver their message? Now, Honestly, when I was reading
Speaker 3: about this guy, I kept thinking about Douglas Adams, the
Speaker 3: author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which I
Speaker 3: read all those books as a teen, and I absolutely
Speaker 3: loved him. And in one of the books Dolphins, they
Speaker 3: saved themselves from the imminent destruction of Earth by fleeing
Speaker 3: the planet for some alternate dimension, and their final message
Speaker 3: to humanity when they leave the planet is so long
Speaker 3: and thanks for all the fish. Back to Lily in
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, he's still had it trying to communicate
Speaker 3: with dolphins. He's moved beyond LSD ketamine. He's now working
Speaker 3: with computers. He creates a new lab that's essentially a
Speaker 3: submerged living room with dolphins and humans communicating. Freaking yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: His new idea is that they humans and dolphins, maybe
Speaker 3: they could learn to create a hybrid language like Spanglish
Speaker 3: based on dolphin and human speech. This also failed, but
Speaker 3: over the years in his varied pursuit of cosmic mysteries,
Speaker 3: he did start enjoying visits from liminaris like Alan Ginsburg,
Speaker 3: Timothy Lary, Richard Feyneman, the physicists.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: In fact, Ginsburg loved to take dips in his sensory deprivation.
Speaker 3: Of course, right, He's gotten to the point now if
Speaker 3: I hear Ginsburg visited, I'm like, oh hanky. So in
Speaker 3: the end, Lily came to the conclusion that quote guides
Speaker 3: at each level above ours pretend to be God as
Speaker 3: long as you believe them. When you finally get to
Speaker 3: know the guide, he says, well, God is really the
Speaker 3: next level up God just keeps retreating into infinity.
Speaker 2: He actually got to talk to my manager. You got
Speaker 2: to talk to my man.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of when people talk about we live
Speaker 3: in a simulation and I wass asking him, Okay, well
Speaker 3: then who created the universe where they created the simulation
Speaker 3: And people are like, I don't have an answer for that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, of course you don't. So Lily did
Speaker 3: leave us with one scientific maxim I'd like to share
Speaker 3: about exploring unknown realms. In the province of the mind,
Speaker 3: what one believes to be true either is true or
Speaker 3: becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be
Speaker 3: found like experimentally and experientially. When so found, these limits
Speaker 3: turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In
Speaker 3: the province of the mind, there are no limits. However,
Speaker 3: in the province of the body, there are definite limits
Speaker 3: not to be transcended.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take a little break and when we're back,
Speaker 3: we will dive back into this pool and discuss one
Speaker 3: of the Lively's most promising researchers and hear about where
Speaker 3: she took his work and her attempts to communicate with dolphins.
Speaker 3: It's also ridiculous and criminal, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are dip.
Speaker 3: Back in the pool and get down with some.
Speaker 2: Dolphins for our next watering.
Speaker 3: They look nice, by the way, for our next bout
Speaker 3: of magical thinking with science, I'd like to introduce you
Speaker 3: to Margaret love It.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 3: She worked at Lily's dolphin lab on the US Virgin Islands,
Speaker 3: and she was this volunteer naturalist.
Speaker 2: She loved it. She was a nature Margaret loved it.
Speaker 2: She Margaret love It.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hold that thought, natural born nature lover right as
Speaker 3: a child. Her future interest in science was also inspired
Speaker 3: by a book she read. The book was called Miss Kelly.
Speaker 2: Those islands are the blue dolphins close?
Speaker 3: No? Miss Kelly is about a cat who could speak
Speaker 3: with and communicate with human beings. That sounds awesome, right,
Speaker 3: So this dream stayed with young Margaret, and so when
Speaker 3: she got older she wanted to learn to speak with animals.
Speaker 3: He's like, what do you want to do for a living?
Speaker 3: I want to learn to speak with animals?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 3: And then she finds this book by John Lily called
Speaker 3: Man and Dolphin, which he'd published in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 3: It was a popular book, It was a bestseller. It
Speaker 3: captivates Margaret love It's imagination. In his book mannon Dolphin,
Speaker 3: Lily described how dolphins could imitate human speech, and he
Speaker 3: wrote about his hopes to one day teach dolphins to
Speaker 3: speak English, and if he's successful, dolphins would be able
Speaker 3: to then use their new voice to advocate for themselves.
Speaker 3: And one day Lily opined that dolphins might have their
Speaker 3: own seat at the United Nations. Oh no, they can
Speaker 3: help the shape world share knowledge.
Speaker 2: That sounds great. Did she come from money too.
Speaker 3: No, not so much. She's I can't say bold to.
Speaker 2: Be like, what do you want to do for a living?
Speaker 2: I want to learn how to talk to animals. Were like, well,
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 3: But I think she's she's like bouncing around and like willing,
Speaker 3: like hey can I like, you know, stay here for
Speaker 3: free and I'll donate my time like that. So when
Speaker 3: she sees the book Margaret love It, she gravitates to
Speaker 3: doctor Lily and his work with dolphins. She travels down
Speaker 3: to his lab. As I said, she volunteers. She works
Speaker 3: with him for two years at Dolphin House. In fact,
Speaker 3: it was her idea to waterproof the lab and make
Speaker 3: it an aquatic lab where dolphins could live indoors and
Speaker 3: outdoors and be studied. So she first arrives in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty four. Lily it was deep into his l the
Speaker 3: experiments at the time with the dolphins. She immediately embraced
Speaker 3: his whole mission, if not his methods. She wanted to
Speaker 3: help teach dolphins to speak English too. She's this kind heart,
Speaker 3: natural m path like very well suited for the work,
Speaker 3: like early hippie. But I forgot to mention where John
Speaker 3: Lilly got the idea to give LSD to dolphins. Turns
Speaker 3: out it was suggested to him by the producer of
Speaker 3: the Flipper movies.
Speaker 2: Oh. I thought you're gonna say the Nazis.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, not not in this case, a man
Speaker 3: named Ivan Tors. He was like, that's it is great.
Speaker 3: You should give it to dolphins and see what happens.
Speaker 2: Right. So the guy, this guy is the producer for Flippers.
Speaker 2: He just goes around being like, let's give does he
Speaker 2: have a dolphin issue?
Speaker 3: He also did Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges, which is
Speaker 3: like he plays a frog man and like he was
Speaker 3: all about that underwater, Like.
Speaker 2: I I'd like to unpack that with him someday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should always we could find ivan tours.
Speaker 2: He's probably rip, but that's cool.
Speaker 3: I can't I tell you Frans, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'll telekinesis my way into a conversation.
Speaker 3: Now, Margaret love Its on things, use your telepathy. She
Speaker 3: was not so charitable as to be like, let's give
Speaker 3: LSD to dolphins. She was concerned about animal welfare. Remember
Speaker 3: she's an mpath so she was against giving LSD just
Speaker 3: to see if they would learn English by making psychedelic
Speaker 3: with her. So she kind of deal with Lily. He
Speaker 3: had three dolphins he was working with, right, but he'd
Speaker 3: only give an LSD and speech lessons to two of them.
Speaker 3: So she asked that the youngest one, the third dolphin,
Speaker 3: who was named Peter. She's like, let Peter be my
Speaker 3: research subject that I work with, and I'll try to
Speaker 3: teach him to speak English. No LSD, And Lily's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you got to do yeah, right, this makes sense. So
Speaker 3: no acid for Peter. He's like the control dolphin. And
Speaker 3: but he would you know, he would keep giving it
Speaker 3: to the other two dolphins. Now, meanwhile, working with Peter
Speaker 3: all the time caused love It to cross some ethical
Speaker 3: boundaries of her own. As she put it that relationship
Speaker 3: of having to be together sort of turned into really
Speaker 3: enjoying being together and wanting to be together and missing
Speaker 3: him when I wasn't there, Like she gets becomes obsessed. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm making a f I know you are now. As
Speaker 3: she later recalled, leaving Dolphin House was really difficult for her,
Speaker 3: Like each day when she would go to leave work,
Speaker 3: as she put it, every night we would all get
Speaker 3: in our cars and pull the garage door down and
Speaker 3: drive away, and I thought, well, there's this big brain
Speaker 3: floating around all night. It amazed me that everybody kept leaving,
Speaker 3: and I just thought that was wrong. So Sam, she
Speaker 3: petitions Lily to let her stay there round the clocks,
Speaker 3: seven days a week, twenty four hours a day. Ma'am
Speaker 3: hanging out with the dolphins, and that way she can
Speaker 3: focus more intently on teaching Peter how to speak English.
Speaker 2: That's not healthy, Peter tell her this isn't healthy.
Speaker 3: She made the argument that it's like how a mother
Speaker 3: teaches a child to learn to speak Okay, she reasoned,
Speaker 3: maybe it was because I was living so close to
Speaker 3: the lab. It just seems so simple, like why let
Speaker 3: the water get in the way. So I said to John, Lily,
Speaker 3: I want to plaster everything and fill this place with water,
Speaker 3: and I want to live here. So that's how they
Speaker 3: came up with that we should turn the inside into
Speaker 3: the outside.
Speaker 2: Because she wanted to cohabitize.
Speaker 3: She made like a dolphin living room, so lily, she seventies,
Speaker 3: so lily. He loves her commitment. He's like, oh, right,
Speaker 3: he loves her idea of an underwater lab inside the building, right,
Speaker 3: So he's high. So he approves her plan to waterproof
Speaker 3: the floor of the lab, flood the indoor area, invite
Speaker 3: some dolphins in, and that's how she starts living with
Speaker 3: Peter the dolphin six days a week, just the two
Speaker 3: of them, practicing English, cohabitating like roommates, like mother and
Speaker 3: dolphin child, however you want to describe it. But then
Speaker 3: on the seventh day of each week, she would rest no,
Speaker 3: but Peter would swim back out into the pool that
Speaker 3: was connected to the Caribbean Sea and he would then
Speaker 3: spend time with the other two dolphins who are getting
Speaker 3: injected with liquid.
Speaker 2: LSD talking smack on her, just complaining about her.
Speaker 3: So she's like, oil, I'm telling you, I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is, like what dog so they were both females.
Speaker 3: The other two right, They were named Pamela and Sissy,
Speaker 3: and as love it remembers them, Sissy was the biggest,
Speaker 3: like pushy, loud, she sort of ran the show. Pamela
Speaker 3: was very shy and fearful, and Peter was a young guy.
Speaker 3: He was sextually coming of age and a bit naughty.
Speaker 3: You hear this a lot with dolphins. They apparently love to, like,
Speaker 3: you know, rub themselves on stones, and they're just frisky
Speaker 3: and naughty, and so she's like, oh, yeah, he's our
Speaker 3: bad boy. Now. Being a human unsuited for living in
Speaker 3: water for six days a week, Margaret required some space
Speaker 3: that wasn't underwater. So she had a desk built that
Speaker 3: was attached to the ceiling and suspended for there, so
Speaker 3: she'd keep her notes and do her paperwork on that
Speaker 3: desk that's suspended from the ceiling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: And she also needed a place to sleep, so since
Speaker 3: she was in the lab for six days a week,
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day, so that's where she would sleep,
Speaker 3: was on this raised platform that she created out of
Speaker 3: the water, so she didn't get pruned up. Yeah, can
Speaker 3: you imagine that.
Speaker 2: She didn't even want to be like in the next room.
Speaker 3: No. Yeah, she wanted to be like mother and child like,
Speaker 3: so she can honly be telling him.
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever tell her that moms sometimes get their
Speaker 2: own kids in the other room? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So, But can you imagine that? Like laying on a
Speaker 3: platform looking around, You're like in this little room with
Speaker 3: just you and a dolphin. I can't well, don't answer that, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: because I want you to close your eyes. Say it,
Speaker 3: and I want you to picture the eyes a closed
Speaker 3: It's a calm night at the dolphin house. The set
Speaker 3: of pumps that errate the water hum as they work.
Speaker 3: The echo of the water lightly splashing against the walls
Speaker 3: is a soft comfort. And you, Elizabeth, are a water
Speaker 3: skimmer insect. With your long, lean legs, you balanced gingerly,
Speaker 3: held up by the surface tension of the water. At
Speaker 3: the moment, all is still in the lab. The only
Speaker 3: other intelligent creatures in the dolphinarium are Peter the dolphin
Speaker 3: and Margaret, the human scientist. Peter is asleep, so he
Speaker 3: occasionally surfaces for a breath of air, but he doesn't
Speaker 3: swim around much. However, the human Margaret, she can't sleep.
Speaker 3: You really wish she would, because you'd like to settle
Speaker 3: into some rest of your own instead. You keep hearing
Speaker 3: her speak aloud to herself. She must be recording herself
Speaker 3: for notes. It's something she does often. You're used to
Speaker 3: it by now. As she prattles on, you remind yourself
Speaker 3: that you should find a better place to sleep. But
Speaker 3: the protection from predators is hard to beat. At the moment,
Speaker 3: you hear Margaret as she narrates her existence and her
Speaker 3: doubts about her life choices. It seems difficult being human.
Speaker 3: Then she starts back up again. You hear her click
Speaker 3: on her recording device and she says human people are
Speaker 3: out there having dinner or whatever, and here I am.
Speaker 3: You sigh to yourself and think, girl, please go to sleep.
Speaker 3: It is late, but in said, she crattles on. There's
Speaker 3: a moonlight reflecting on the water, this fin and this
Speaker 3: bright eye looking at me. Wow, Why am I here?
Speaker 3: You roll your eyes. It's another one of her existential nights. Perfect.
Speaker 3: You hear her and record some more of her thoughts.
Speaker 3: What am I doing here? I guess you could say,
Speaker 3: I'm just like trying to find out what Peter's doing here,
Speaker 3: and then what we can do together? As if on cue.
Speaker 3: Peter resurfaces, takes a deep breath through his blowhole, and
Speaker 3: then stas back into his sleep. Underwater. You use your
Speaker 3: long legs to run across the surface of the water.
Speaker 3: Maybe she won't be so loud on the other side
Speaker 3: of the dolphinarium and you can finally get some sleep too.
Speaker 3: But just as you get comfortable against a far wall,
Speaker 3: you hear her speak up again. This is the whole point.
Speaker 3: Nobody has done this before. You think to yourself, yeah, girl,
Speaker 3: you're a pioneer. Please shut up and just go to sleep.
Speaker 3: So there you are, Elizabeth. That's an example of shared
Speaker 3: aquatic life for Margaret love It and her dolphin roommate Peter.
Speaker 2: Oh it sounds fabulous, Sign me up.
Speaker 3: The larger question remains, was she successful? Did she ever
Speaker 3: get the dolphin to speak English well? Over time? She
Speaker 3: tried to teach Peter to greet her each day and
Speaker 3: to say her name like through his whistles and clicks,
Speaker 3: And there's audio recordings of her trying to get him
Speaker 3: to say hello, Margaret or whatever. Right as she tells it,
Speaker 3: em was very difficult, my name Hello, Margaret. I worked
Speaker 3: on the MMM sound and he eventually rolled over to
Speaker 3: bubble it through the water, and that he worked on
Speaker 3: so hard.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't have less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So, Elizabeth, you're spending six days a week
Speaker 3: with a dolphin living together, one might lose sight of
Speaker 3: what makes you and the dolphin different as you focus
Speaker 3: on what makes you the same. Well, one thing about
Speaker 3: dolphins is, as I said earlier, they are a very
Speaker 3: horny creature. And Peter was young, so he was horny
Speaker 3: like a teenage boy.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 3: Margaret didn't really consider that night at first, but Peter
Speaker 3: made his interest obvious. As she recalls it, we had
Speaker 3: nothing to do was when we did the most. He
Speaker 3: was very, very interested in my anatomy. If I was
Speaker 3: sitting here and my legs were in the water, he
Speaker 3: would come up and look at the back of my
Speaker 3: for a long time. He wanted to know how that
Speaker 3: thing worked, and I was so charmed by it. So
Speaker 3: naturally their relationship progresses and begins to blur the boundaries
Speaker 3: that nature had erected to keep the species separate. As
Speaker 3: love It tells it, Peter liked to be with me.
Speaker 3: He would rub himself on my knee or my foot
Speaker 3: or my hand and at first, I would put him
Speaker 3: downstairs with the girls. Now, I notice that she said
Speaker 3: at first, which implies that things change, which they did.
Speaker 3: Remember how I said dolphins are extra horny. Just keep
Speaker 3: remembering that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to remember.
Speaker 3: It got in the way of their work together. It
Speaker 3: would take her too much time to transfer Peter to
Speaker 3: go spend time with the two female dolphins, and he
Speaker 3: can relieve his natural urges. So Margaret love it just
Speaker 3: started letting him relieve his urges on her stock. Don't
Speaker 3: be gross, Elizabeth. They didn't have sex.
Speaker 2: I don't care. I just boundary.
Speaker 3: But like with Bill Clinton, it depends on what the
Speaker 3: definition of these is or In other words, while she
Speaker 3: did not have sexual relations with the dolphin, Peter did
Speaker 3: enjoy sexual stimulation. Margaret let the dolphin get off on
Speaker 3: her life leg course. O, my god, I allowed that.
Speaker 3: I wasn't uncomfortable with it is It wasn't.
Speaker 2: Rough she is unwell, she is unwell.
Speaker 3: Yes, it would just become part of what was going on,
Speaker 3: like an itch. Just get rid of it, scratch it,
Speaker 3: and move on. That's how it seemed to work out.
Speaker 3: It wasn't private. People coulds observe it. Oh, she was
Speaker 3: doing it in front of it because they haven't observed race.
Speaker 2: This place needs to just be leveled, flood the whole joint.
Speaker 2: They have real you got the leader of it is
Speaker 2: just out of his mind on drugs, floating in the
Speaker 2: sensory deprivation.
Speaker 3: Tank, trying to unlock cosmic She's.
Speaker 2: Romancing the dolphins and oh my god, these people.
Speaker 3: Remember there's also people who like to watch it. I
Speaker 3: do like to watch, but they're scientists who are like
Speaker 3: documenting all of this.
Speaker 2: Right, this is why, this is why we have to
Speaker 2: fight for funding for science.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: They make everybody look like a ding dog.
Speaker 3: Agree now to be crystal clear love. It articulated what
Speaker 3: exactly happened in the waters of the dolphin area. Peter
Speaker 3: was right there.
Speaker 2: I don't need to hear.
Speaker 3: He knew that I was right there. It was sexual
Speaker 3: on my part, sensuous perhaps it seemed to me that
Speaker 3: it made the bond closer, not because of the sexual activity,
Speaker 3: but because of the lack of having to keep breaking.
Speaker 3: That's really all it was. I was there to get
Speaker 3: to know Peter, and that was part of Peter.
Speaker 2: She is unwell.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the rest of the world finds out what's going on. Oh,
Speaker 3: that's fortune at the Dolphin House. When the magazine Hustler
Speaker 3: publishes a story Margaret and Peter, and this catches love
Speaker 3: it totally, by surprise, she doesn't know. They don't come
Speaker 3: down an interviewer. They just apparently see some stories coming out.
Speaker 2: Some one of the other scientists was like this and
Speaker 2: tried to write like a Pehouse Forum letters. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: take it. He goes to Hustler, Bob, let's do this.
Speaker 3: I think Larry Flint's Hustler. I think he's Pehouse's Penhouse,
Speaker 3: one of those Yeah, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 3: So she tells it. I never even heard of Hustler.
Speaker 3: I think there was two magazine stores on the island
Speaker 3: at the time, and I went to one and I
Speaker 3: looked and I found this story with my name and
Speaker 3: Peter and a drawing. So when she sees the story
Speaker 3: in Hustler about her and Peter, she buys up all
Speaker 3: the copies of the magazine that are for sale, right
Speaker 3: but she can she can't afford to buy all the
Speaker 3: issues ever published. So the story gets out there and
Speaker 3: I love it, puts it to this day. The Hustler
Speaker 3: story still exists online. You can still find a story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and she told The Guardian in an interview, it's a
Speaker 3: bit uncomfortable. The worst experiment in the world I've read
Speaker 3: somewhere was me and Peter. That's fine, I don't mind.
Speaker 3: But that was not the point of it, not the
Speaker 3: result of it. So I just ignore.
Speaker 2: It, ma'am, ma'am. If you're doing something and you feel like,
Speaker 2: uh oh, if everyone else in the world finds out
Speaker 2: about this, this is bad businesses stop usually right now.
Speaker 3: If you're wonder what happened to Peter the dolphin after
Speaker 3: Lily lost his funding for the Dolphin House lab because
Speaker 3: I remember his director left, Robin said, I couldn't keep Peter.
Speaker 3: Has he been a cat or a dog then maybe,
Speaker 3: but not a dolphin? No kidding, she had. They sent
Speaker 3: him to a private lab in Miami, where Lily opened
Speaker 3: up his private lab him go no, no, he can't
Speaker 3: at this point, he's way too captive. So thanks to
Speaker 3: research like this, in nineteen seventy nine, the United States
Speaker 3: passed new legislation to protect dolphins from humans from Lily
Speaker 3: and Margaret Love It specifically, it's the Animal Welfare Act.
Speaker 3: It outlines laws that govern the care for captive dolphins
Speaker 3: and other cetaceans used for research. There are also state laws.
Speaker 3: For instance, I found in Texas it's illegal to speak
Speaker 3: to a dolphin. Really, you can't even don't talk to
Speaker 3: that dolphins.
Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, this is a gateway.
Speaker 3: Like if you're in Texas and you're on a boat
Speaker 3: or on a dock and you see a dolphin, you
Speaker 3: speak to them, you just broke the law. Wow, is
Speaker 3: the Houston Chronicle put it. In Texas, where dolphins are
Speaker 3: regularly spotted in your shorelines, peers and tour boats, especially
Speaker 3: around Galveston and Surfside Beach, it's against the law to
Speaker 3: try to interact with them anyway. That includes feeding, swimming alongside, touching,
Speaker 3: or even attempting to get their attention. So under federal law,
Speaker 3: according to the statutes of the Marine Mammal Protection Act,
Speaker 3: if you violate that law on harass a dolphin, you
Speaker 3: can get jail time and be fined up to one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. That's good, there, he goes. This is
Speaker 3: all thanks to, as you pointed out, a few well
Speaker 3: meaning scientists, and it's now illegal for you to speak
Speaker 3: with a wild dolphin alone. It's definitely illegal to give
Speaker 3: a dolphin LSD. So there you go. What's your ridiculous
Speaker 3: takeaway here?
Speaker 2: A little wild, be wild? Stop with this. I mean,
Speaker 2: I understand that there are things that we need to investigate.
Speaker 2: There's research that has to be done. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you get someone who is unwell, both of those
Speaker 2: you know, bozos, they bring their own issues to it,
Speaker 2: that's not real research, that's just tainted.
Speaker 3: It's you know, just like religion. By the way, just
Speaker 3: like with the religion, scientists can also suffer from righteousness
Speaker 3: to pursue something with the zealotry of a religious you know,
Speaker 3: pursuit and they go like, I want to find I
Speaker 3: want to unlock you. I can teach dolphins to speak English,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're giving them LSD. You're like, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe across the line.
Speaker 2: Well, and everyone has an agenda, yes, but you know
Speaker 2: a lot of times you can separate that out or
Speaker 2: acknowledge it. But when your agenda is your own mental instability,
Speaker 2: that makes it.
Speaker 3: If someone else is giving you money and you have
Speaker 3: to use it up and you got to show results,
Speaker 3: you're a little more likely to do insane things windows.
Speaker 3: You know, what is a publisher parish it All of
Speaker 3: a sudden you're like, how do I get liquid LSD
Speaker 3: in the same in the Virgin Islands? All right, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: you're in the move for a talk bang alway produce
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