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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio and there.

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Speaker 2: She is missed the Lizabid I go gonna save the day.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing there?

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Speaker 3: Pretty well? Consider my day saved.

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Speaker 2: I saved the day for pretty much everybody.

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Speaker 3: You do for me, I mean, my day is already

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Speaker 3: looking up and now it's saved too.

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Speaker 2: If it's not comfortable, this is true. Yah, you make

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Speaker 2: the call.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you over there, save her

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Speaker 3: and destroyer of worlds?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Do you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I do know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Share it with me.

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Speaker 2: It has to do with ranch dressing. You fan a

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Speaker 2: ranch dressing?

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Speaker 3: Yes, breathe through it. Okay, here's how I put it.

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Speaker 3: I never had ranch dressing until I went to UH

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Speaker 3: college and then and then I had it. And then

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, and really the only thing

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Speaker 3: I ever eat it with, But it's not true. I

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Speaker 3: eat it with pizza because that's how I learned it.

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Speaker 3: And then I tried to put it any on salads

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Speaker 3: when it was the only dressing and I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to go with like blue cheese or something, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, huh yeah, Because I grew up my father

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Speaker 3: there was just oil and vinegar or Italian dressing, and

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Speaker 3: then my mother had like Catalina in French dressing, so

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Speaker 3: I never saw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we never had ranch at Woodstocks Pizza in Davis, Californy.

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Speaker 3: That's where I learned.

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Speaker 2: That's where I learned. They give you ranch with the pizza.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what the h am I supposed

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Speaker 2: to do? Exactly what the h E? Double hockey sticks

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Speaker 2: is this?

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Speaker 3: And you're not supposed to drizzle, You're supposed to dip

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Speaker 3: dip yearned And then.

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is kind of great if the

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Speaker 2: pizza is like not not like sparkle tacular anyway. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can't put it on a salad. I can't go there.

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Speaker 2: It's two thicks anyway. Ranch dressing, that's one thing. Put

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Speaker 2: that put a pin in that pen stuff. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever been to Great Wolf Lodge? Do you know what

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Speaker 2: that is?

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Speaker 3: It sounds familiar. I don't think I have.

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Speaker 2: It's my understanding that it is like an indoor water park.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I've seen ads just like kids pee

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Speaker 2: in the water. Sure, I think they encourage it. They're

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Speaker 2: probably signs.

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Speaker 3: They give rewards, little stickers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's a rewards program. They have this list

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Speaker 2: of where they are located all across the USA. My

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Speaker 2: favorite is there's a location in San Francisco slash Mantica, California.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell.

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Speaker 2: You something right now, y'all. Mantica is nowhere near San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: But let's you know, don't stop believing anyho So Mountain

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Speaker 2: Range Valley. All right? Anyway, what was I saying? Great

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Speaker 2: Wolf Lodge Ranch Dressing and you know what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go to now, milkshakes Because the Great Wolf Lodge,

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Speaker 2: in honor of Ranch Dressing Day, which was March tenth,

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Speaker 2: they started selling a ranch milkshake. It is blended with

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Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream and ranch dressing, garnished with Crispy chicken,

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Speaker 2: so like little Chicky Nuggies. So like is that like

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Speaker 2: on the rim of the glass, Well, it's a salty

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Speaker 2: lime rim. But then on little skewers there's Chicky Nuggies, carrots, celery,

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Speaker 2: whipped cream in my shake, in your shake, and so

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Speaker 2: it's eight bucks. You can get it at Great Wolf

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Speaker 2: Lodge until they're not they're going to stop this madness

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Speaker 2: May twentieth, So get there beforehand. The thing is is

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Speaker 2: that they've been like wilding out on social media because

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Speaker 2: everyone's talking about how disgusting it is. Sure on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: but then Great Wolf Lodge, which is on Twitter, which

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Speaker 2: makes me highly suspicious, they get on there and they

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Speaker 2: respond to this stuff. So someone's like getting ready to

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Speaker 2: puke now, and Great Wolf Lodge responded with the laughing

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Speaker 2: emoji and said that rant shake will do that to you.

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Speaker 2: Vibes alone are enough to flip a stomach.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like milkshake duck.

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Speaker 2: But it's I think that's the new era that we're in,

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Speaker 2: is that you're supposed to come up with the most

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Speaker 2: disgusting things possible to go viral.

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Speaker 3: It's the attention economy.

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Speaker 2: The attention economy. They also someone just kept asking why,

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Speaker 2: and then the Lodge responded, honestly, that shake feels like

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Speaker 2: chaos in a cup. Why is the only correct reaction? Okay,

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Speaker 2: cool kids, I.

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Speaker 3: Just come on now, this is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: But you know who has the final word on this?

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Speaker 3: Not I, not you, No producer, No.

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Speaker 2: Not not you.

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Speaker 3: I know it's not me.

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Speaker 2: R and b Legend Dion Warwick.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this will be good.

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Speaker 2: She commented on the post and she said, quote just

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Speaker 2: in the kitchen wasting food.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Dion.

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Speaker 2: She knows God bless So that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: My god, it's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: The end goodbye.

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Speaker 3: Now that you cleared the end day ruined, I got

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Speaker 3: something ridiculous for you. It's way more fun than that.

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Speaker 3: Good Yeah, giving dolphins LSD because you know science.

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 5: outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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Speaker 3: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent ridiculous murder was the case they gave you free, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: I got a wild one for you about dolphins and

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Speaker 3: crime and psychedelics.

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Speaker 2: If I could do that dolphins sound, I would do it,

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Speaker 2: but I can't.

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Speaker 3: Something like that, Yeah, the clicking and the whistle, Yes.

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Speaker 2: That just summons the interns.

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Speaker 3: Before we get into this, the folks who gave us

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Speaker 3: dolphins on l because science. I want to set the

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Speaker 3: stage with a different and bizarre story about dolphins. To

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Speaker 3: wet your beak, so to speak. It comes to us

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Speaker 3: from Florida, so you know it's good. As the local

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Speaker 3: news outlet CBS twelve reported earlier this month, on March six,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, dateline Lee County, Florida and I quote,

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Speaker 3: dolphins are back in the headlines, and this time they're

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Speaker 3: being accused of running Florida's most bizarre development project. Wait, yes,

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Speaker 3: so the news stories what they were referring to had

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Speaker 3: the following headline update mysterious dolphin kidnapping case takes bizarre

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Speaker 3: turn as victim's background raises new questions. That's just got

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: In it, right there, there's a lot going dolphin.

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Speaker 3: Kidnapping, suspicious victims, background, new questions. Anyway, the story was

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Speaker 3: from a different new story. It's reportedly shared by the

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Speaker 3: Associated Press out of Fort Myers, Florida and I quote

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Speaker 3: and a story that has captivated local residents and gone

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Speaker 3: viral on social media. Thirty three year old man found

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Speaker 3: disoriented and sunburned on the Santa Belle Causeway early Monday

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Speaker 3: morning claimed he was abducted by a pod of dolphins

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Speaker 3: and forced to labor on an elaborate underwater construction project.

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Speaker 3: Wait right off bed, we have outrageous claims.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's go back and let's do some Let's do

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Speaker 2: some point by point on here. Sure, so we got

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Speaker 2: a sunburned guy on a highway and then he.

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Speaker 3: Says, abducted by a pod of dolphins.

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Speaker 2: And forced to do like water welding.

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Speaker 3: Correct, so I got more for Elizabeth. Back to the

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Speaker 3: ap story. Out of Fort Myers, Florida, Lee County Sheriff's

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Speaker 3: Office deputies responded to a nine to one to one

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Speaker 3: call it approximately five forty five am from a passing

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Speaker 3: motorists who spotted Ricky James Hallowell standing barefoot on the

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Speaker 3: shoulder of the causeway, drenched in seawater and frantically sketching

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Speaker 3: diagrams in the wet sand. Hallowell, a resident of nearby

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Speaker 3: with severe sunburn covering his upper body and what appeared

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Speaker 3: to be minor abrasions on his hands and feet. Consistent

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Speaker 3: he later claimed with quote handling coral and structural materials underwater. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so now we're getting into some real details.

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Speaker 2: They still sell bath salt.

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Speaker 3: I went immediately wint to that, but he wasn't eating faces. Now,

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Speaker 3: buckle at Buttercup, because I have a bunch more for you.

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Speaker 3: Back to the ap story. According to the official incident

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Speaker 3: report obtained by the AP. Hollowell recounted being approached by

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Speaker 3: a group of bottle nosed dolphins while swimming recreationally off

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Speaker 3: Fort Myers Beach on Friday afternoon. Quote they surrounded me

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Speaker 3: like a security detail, Hollowell told deputies. It wasn't aggressive

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Speaker 3: about forty feet down in the gulf, helping them build

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Speaker 3: what looked like a full scale aquatic habitat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, So at this.

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Speaker 3: Point I hope alaren bills are going off for you.

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Speaker 3: The questions like how the hell can this be true?

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Speaker 3: Or do dolphins construction workers have unions and protections like

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Speaker 3: osha but for the ocean too. Well, before we answer

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Speaker 3: these questions, I have a few more details. Where are

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Speaker 3: you from the AAP. Hallowell learned to communicate with the

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Speaker 3: dolphin overlords who would have taken him hostage. Quote. Hallowell

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Speaker 3: describe the dolphins communicating via a complex series of echolocation

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Speaker 2: Wait, did Gerald the turkey right have a cousin? I

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Speaker 2: have a cousin Gerald or morph?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh I like that reincarnated maybe. So now we

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Speaker 2: So he's such a task master.

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Speaker 3: Oh, hard, hard boss. But you also may have other questions,

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Speaker 3: like how the hell did Hallowell survive underwater for days

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm Jared. I like to have logic and reason

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Speaker 2: in my story.

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Speaker 3: According to Hallowell, and I quote, when pressed by deputies

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Speaker 3: oxygen equipment, Hallowell replied, cryptically, quote Gerald handled the breathing part,

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Speaker 3: ask too many questions. You don't question Gerald. He's got

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Speaker 3: that authoritative vibe.

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Speaker 2: I just he kissed Gerald.

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Speaker 3: Make them kissing now. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 3: I really hope that you do question Gerald, and more

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Speaker 3: generally questioned anyone with what some might cally an authoritative vibe. Right,

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Speaker 3: Please just question authoritative vibes. It's usually a front a lie. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: the Lee County deputies, they did have some questions, even

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Speaker 3: if they weren't about Gerald, leader of the dolphins. The

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Speaker 3: deputies were more focused on what Hallowell did once he

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Speaker 3: re emerged on land. Notably, they were curious about the

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Speaker 3: symbols he was drawing in the sand. I remember that part,

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Speaker 3: so back to the age.

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Speaker 2: But a guy can't scribble in the sam on the

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Speaker 3: Is he making diagrams?

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Speaker 2: What is this? So?

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Speaker 3: According to the AP story out of Fort Myers, Florida,

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Speaker 3: and I quote, deputies noted that Hallowell's sand sketches are

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Speaker 3: remarkably detailed, spanning roughly ten feet across and including scaled

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Speaker 3: blueprints for what resembled a submerged community, multi level condo

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Speaker 3: structures made from natural, coral and synthetic like materials, a

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Speaker 3: center featuring what Hollowell described as dolphin friendly obstacle courses.

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Speaker 2: Gerald is a developer. I mean, what kind of lovely

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Speaker 3: That's exactly destroyed the Florida condo communities continue now. The

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Speaker 3: According to Hallowell, he was released from his captivity and

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Speaker 3: I have more details for you, ones that may confound

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Speaker 2: Right he really did.

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Speaker 3: So this all gives credence to why Gerald, you know,

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Speaker 3: So at this point, I still hope that your questions

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Speaker 3: debunking this viral news story. The deputies. They put out

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Speaker 3: Yes, so he also has his own agenda by conspiracies

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Speaker 3: local news outlet that debunked it. Everything else, all that

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Speaker 3: Distraction wins clicks, truth gets buried. Well, thank you, Scott Prentiss,

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 3: We're back, Elizabeth. Hell, now up top. I promised you

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Speaker 3: Right, which does sound ridiculous and contract it's criminal. So

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Speaker 3: So I got to ask you, Elizabeth, who is your

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Speaker 3: Like to give you a couple of ideas, Like, there's

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Speaker 2: You know. The teacher who read it just like hurt herself,

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Speaker 3: Oh I bet. Basically, this guy he's like a psycho

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Speaker 3: People constantly consume the mind soothing drug soma right right, Okay,

439
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: so it's basically all about how powerful social paradigms control

440
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: people of the world. Right. This book inspired obviously like

441
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: later sci fi like The Matrix. Yeah, and it definitely

442
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: inspired John Lilly. So for young John Lily, Brave New

443
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: World inspires this fascination with controlling the human mind via pharmacology,

444
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: drugs and whatnot. So it led him to pursue neurophysiology

445
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: as his focus of studies. Good for him, Good for him, right,

446
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 3: you know? For college, My boy Lily, he attended Caltech

447
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: here in California, Right, But he had a tough go

448
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: of it. He was a sensitive lad. By his junior year,

449
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: he was engaged to be married and his future was

450
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: fast approaching and seemed to be taking shape. But then

451
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: he began to suffer from nervous exhaustion. That's what it

452
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: was called back then. Yeah, now to call him his

453
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: racing mind, his restless soul. Before he gets married, before

454
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: he graduates, he takes the sabbatical from school. He travels north,

455
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: like Jack London, up to lumber Country in the Pacific Northwest,

456
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: and he starts working as a lumberjack. But he wasn't

457
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: particularly cut out for swinging an axe because one day

458
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: he missed his mark and instead he put the acts

459
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: right into his foot. Ohow, that sent him to the hospital.

460
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: While he's laid up in the hospital having his foot

461
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: be repaired, he decides, you know what, I'd like to

462
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: be a doctor. So he changed his career paths. He

463
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: enrolls at Dartmouth Medical School to make his new dream

464
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: a reality. And he was an eager student, curious as ever.

465
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: Remember total great scientists, So like, there was one time

466
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: he was performing a dissection of a cataver that I

467
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: read about. He decided, how long are the intestines? And

468
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: so what does he do? He unwinds the intestines from

469
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: the cadaver and just stretches out. He just unspools the

470
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: intestinal track all across this room. Right, He's got it's

471
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: like thirty eight feet.

472
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah you read it, but you're like, is that true?

473
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Verify always verify.

474
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: Trust, but verify. So this is the kind of scientists.

475
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: He was very hands on, right, he was willing yeah, exactly,

476
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: he'd reach in there, get up in them guts. Now,

477
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: while he was at Dartmouth, he found the medicool school

478
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: Dartmouth wasn't a right fit for him, so he transferred

479
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: to the University of Pennsylvania. Yea, more it's more of

480
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: a research school than Dartmouth. Dartmouth was more about like treatment, right,

481
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: So he wanted to be into research. So during his

482
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: time at penn he took a class and the class

483
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 3: was called how to build an Atomic Bomb.

484
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: Oh.

485
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: At the time, this was like, you know, right before

486
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: World where it's like, you know, early World War two,

487
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: before War two, so this is a brand new idea.

488
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: He and his fellow students are so geeked about what.

489
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: They're learning in medical school.

490
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, it's just a science class.

491
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: I was like that, so messed up medicals.

492
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: You know, all the other students they start compiling their

493
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: notes and write a book with the title how to

494
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: build an Atomic bomb? Okay, Now, obviously that would be

495
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: a major interest to a lot of people who are

496
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: not going to the American universities. Yeah, naturally, this catches

497
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: the attention of the director of the Manhattan Project. He's like, Nay,

498
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: what are you doing boys. So the leading physicist they're

499
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: all trying to make a real atomic bomb for the

500
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: first time and they have not done it yet. They

501
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 3: know the theory, which is what these students learned. So

502
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: he demands that the students not publish their book. And

503
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: he's like, this is a highly classified subject.

504
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: Know that it was a race against time because Saren,

505
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: I saw Oppenheimer.

506
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: You know, I was there. So the director of the

507
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: man hadn't project. He can't stop the publication because Lily

508
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: and his student co authors, they didn't include any classified materials.

509
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: Are just all the theory.

510
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

511
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: My point is Lily was a true iconoclast and a

512
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: hands on scientists. Right, he didn't care. He felt that

513
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: science was bigger than the aims of any one nation. Right.

514
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: In fact, he believed science is bigger than the concerns

515
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: of humanity. It was like a set of cosmic mysteries

516
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: to be solved.

517
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: Then hip hop, right, you know you know what I'm saying.

518
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: So, after World War two is over, Lily returns to

519
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: his prior fascination with neurophysiology. Nineteen fifty three, he joins

520
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: the US Public Health Service Commissioned Officers Corps, and he

521
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: goes to work for the National Institute of Mental Health,

522
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: grand fit for him. This is where he comes up

523
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: with his first big contribution to science. He invents the

524
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: isolation tank aka the sensory deprivation tank. He invented the

525
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: sensory deprivation tank.

526
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: That's sick.

527
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: For those who may not know, Century deprivation tank. It's

528
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: a small chamber. It's filled with salt water that's about

529
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: the same temperature as the human body. As Lily said,

530
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: you can't tell where the water ends and your body begins.

531
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: Right.

532
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: The tank is windowless, so it's totally dark inside. It's

533
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: also sound proofs and no outside noise can interfere. Once

534
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 3: you're inside the Century deprivation tank, the subject you you

535
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: float in the salty water, the darkness and the sil

536
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: they wash away your normal existence. Your interiority starts to emerge,

537
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you're like, whoa, this is

538
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: who I am? What am I? Right? Yeah, Elizabeth, quick question,

539
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: would you ever want to float inside a center of deprivation?

540
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: No? I In addition to being afraid of heights, I'm

541
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: also terribly claustrophobia.

542
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: Oh so that would trigger claustrophobia. Yeah, interesting, Like I

543
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: also suffer from claustrophobia. But like if I'm making a

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: fissure of rock where like I'm sliding across a mountain,

545
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: then I will have that experiences of it. But like

546
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: I think I could do a century deprivationion tank because

547
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: it's black. You can't see that you are.

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: You know, and you know, I mean, I guess for

549
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: me it would be like I can I can do

550
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: like a cat scanner an MRI because I can visualize

551
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: like the rest of the room and know that it's

552
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: not going to trap me totally per se. But with that,

553
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: it's like, well, they shut you in this tank, what

554
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: if they can't get it open again? And this is

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: your life forever? Swimming never had that thought swimming in

556
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: your own ways. I always have to take it back

557
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: to that, of course, But or then then running out

558
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: of air and screaming and no one hearing you.

559
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely want there to be like an

560
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: easy way to push open the century deprivation. You could

561
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: not like turn knobs from the outside that I can't reach.

562
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they just like they lock you in there. Yeah,

563
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: maybe they don't, but.

564
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: I think I want like like velcrow latching something easily.

565
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 3: Just stand up and push out.

566
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Got to be sealed to be sound prooved.

567
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Hey, get some rubber. I don't care. We're not We're

568
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: not doing class.

569
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: So you would do it?

570
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: You feel about it as long as I can push

571
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: push it open.

572
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Now, see when they have those things like the quietest

573
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: room in the world or whatever, and you could hear.

574
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: And all that.

575
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: I think I could do it.

576
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: I think you could do I think I could do

577
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: that one pretty much standing on my head like on

578
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: Polly Walnuts.

579
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: I could. I feel like I'm maybe just a little

580
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: bit away from being able to hibernate like a bear.

581
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: You definitely have bear energy.

582
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: I do.

583
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: I do so John lily as I said first person

584
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: to play around the idea of what happens when your

585
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: mind and body are so quieted, denied any stimulus, that

586
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: you float free of your day to day life. He

587
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: finds that this lucid state emerges from inside of you

588
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: and it just takes over your full consciousness. And some

589
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: of his research subjects, like the secondary people he had

590
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: tried you gotta try my tank. They had out of

591
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: body experiences. Others had lucid dreams. So at this point,

592
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: Lily he loves being inside his sensory deprivation tank. Right,

593
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: He's just like, oh, floating there, like this is my

594
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: new home.

595
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: Right.

596
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: He tried to spend more and more time there, like

597
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: it was like a second womb, and he's like, can

598
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: I get in my tank?

599
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: Right?

600
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: He told one friend, wouldn't it be great to float

601
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: like this twenty four hours a day? So well, I

602
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: mean you could, Oh yeah, I mean you definitely, cud.

603
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't recommend it. You're going to be you know, pruney,

604
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: pruned all up. Yeah. Well, his friend, hearing that, right, replied,

605
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: you should look at dolphins. So this was a poignant comment.

606
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: It would change the whole trajectory of Lily's life, just

607
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: like that acts and the trip to the hospital did,

608
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: except for this time He's like, where can I be

609
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: your around dolphins? And his friend's like, they're available. Go

610
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: down to the marine studios in Florida, And so that's

611
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: what he did.

612
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: You know, the universe laziest things at your feet.

613
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: Pay attention, Yeah, serendipity and all that exactly. So remember

614
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: Lily trained medical doctor, right, he knows about physiology. So

615
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: when he goes down to the Marine Studios in Florida

616
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: to study dolphins. He's overcome by the size and the

617
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: complexity of the brains of dolphins, and he's comparing to

618
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: the human brain, which is like the one of the

619
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: most complex, if not the most complex. He's like, dolphins, man, there,

620
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: this is wild, right, So this becomes his next major fascination.

621
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: At the US Virgin Islands, he found this new lab

622
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: to study dolphins and particularly dolphin communication. Now his lab

623
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: was rather unique. It was built on the coast, and

624
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: in order for humans and dolphins to be together, he

625
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: created the Dolphin House by flooding a section of the building. Right,

626
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: they waterproof the floors of the lab, then they flood

627
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: the rooms inside the lab, which kind of has like

628
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: a a connection to the sea, right, come in and out,

629
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: and this gives the scientists a way to like live

630
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: with and study the dolphins for months at a time. So, Lily,

631
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: he works from the inside out, you know, classic doctor.

632
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: He to understand a dolphin's brain, he focused on their

633
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: language skills. He's like, what are they thinking? I want

634
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: to I'll listen to them, but I'll listen for that

635
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: way it'll tell me how their brain works. Yeah, he

636
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: quickly discovers dolphins speaking coherent clicks and whistles. It very

637
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: much is a language, so he starts to record it.

638
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: He starts to analyze it. What was wild is if

639
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: you listen to dolphins speech underwater, right now, not in

640
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: the air, but underwater, the frequency of dolphins speech underwater

641
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: matches the frequency of human speech in the air, really, right.

642
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: He also finds that the dolphins could nearly imitate human speech,

643
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: which leads him to this conclusion that dolphins speech is

644
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: essentially the same as human speech. His whole theory about

645
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: their brains turns out to really bear fruit. So, but

646
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: dolphin's speech is like just human speech, just much much

647
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: much faster. Right, So he's like, well, how could I

648
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: understand what dolphins are saying? Because I don't obviously speak Dolphinese.

649
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: So he was like, how do I come up with

650
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: an interspecies like communication? Bridge? Now, do you remember that

651
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: meme of Milania Trump and the beluga whale?

652
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: That is exactly what went into my head when he said,

653
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: what do they think?

654
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: What is she thinking? Right? So that's John Lily.

655
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: He's basically, you know, explain it.

656
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so it's a picture of a bluego whale

657
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: breaching the surface of water, and Milania says, what is

658
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: she thinking? Right? And it was something she posted, so

659
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: she posted it that that was the only line she

660
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: had is what is she thinking?

661
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Like?

662
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: So she wanted to know what does a beluga whale thinking?

663
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: And John Lily is like saying, but dolphins. Now, Elizabeth,

664
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: knowing you as I do, I guess at some point

665
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: you've wanted to speak the language of an animal. So

666
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: I gotta ask, of course, which animal would you want

667
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: to be able to understand and like communicate with, like

668
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: your doctor Doolittle dogs dogs interesting specific but your dogs?

669
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but any dogs?

670
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: Any dog?

671
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: Huh? So I think cats would be funny because they're

672
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: just such jerks.

673
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh they're total jerks, right. I don't need to hear

674
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: them insult me.

675
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: I don't even worry about that.

676
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that part.

677
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: If a dog, I want to hear them insult other people.

678
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: And I want to know, like, when my dog is

679
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: yelling at people across the street, what are you saying?

680
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I have my notion what if it was

681
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: just like, hey, hey, I think that's what it is. Well,

682
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: that's how I love that thinging up with Dug the collar.

683
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: My nephew and I used to watch those Doug shorts

684
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: on the you know Disney Pixar thing. Oh my god,

685
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: I love those and I really want one for the

686
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: for the dogs.

687
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: That's a good use of AI, by the way, which

688
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: they did start like years ago. You would see when

689
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 3: AI was becoming a new thing, people talk about, Oh,

690
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to understand specifically dolphins and dogs, right.

691
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: I haven't seen an update on that in years.

692
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: No.

693
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: But the closest we get is when you put those

694
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: buttons on the floor that a dog push to talk totally.

695
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: And I really want to teach my dogs to do that,

696
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: but they're so wilful and they're just like, yeah, what's

697
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: in it for me?

698
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: He's a lot of treats and then well, and then.

699
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: The button would just get warned out.

700
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: You have to get anyone. Get a couple of there,

701
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: Diamon bulk Yeah.

702
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: Aggressive.

703
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: They find a lot of dogs refer to dogs that

704
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: are smaller than them as cats. When the people who

705
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: use those buttons like, really, what's up with cat? Every

706
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: dog that's smaller than them is cat? Anyway, So when

707
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: John Lily sets out to understand and translate dolphin speech,

708
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: he's certain it is more sophisticated than human speech, so

709
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: he would need a powerful tool to decode it. Enter NASA.

710
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

711
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty three, NASA pays for Lily to set

712
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: up a new laboratory dedicated to researching dolphins. The reason

713
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: NASA was interested in this is famous scientists like Carl

714
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: Sagan believe that Lily's work to decipher dolphins speech could

715
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: one day help us communicate with aliens.

716
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This is back when NASA had fundings.

717
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nineteen sixty three. I mean they are super funded, right,

718
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean this is like JFK is like, here's a

719
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: blank check, just write whatever you want. So when NASA

720
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: here's at Carl Sagan's down, they're like, how much money

721
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: do you need? They cut him like the super large

722
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: lottery winning check. At this point, John Lily's working in

723
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: his new NASA funded laboratory in the Caribbean, trying to

724
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: like talk with and two dolphins in their language. And

725
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: this is the same time when he starts taking acid.

726
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: We don't why not. It was the sixties, baby, totally.

727
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: And I doubt. He told NASA that he was gobbling

728
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: down LSD in the hopes that he would have a

729
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: breakthrough an unlocked dolphin speech. But I don't think DASA. Basically,

730
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: I don't think NASA was down with LSD. But that's

731
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: what they were paying for, is an LSD dolphin study.

732
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: You know, as long as you get the results, I

733
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: don't care how you get there.

734
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is when things go sideways. Lily had

735
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: been taking LSD for a while, dating back to his

736
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: earlier experiments with sensory deprivation tank, so at the time

737
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: it wasn't illegal for him to do this, right, Okay,

738
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: they hadn't been rescheduled yet as a drug. But being

739
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: a good scientist, he recorded his experiences taking acid in

740
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 3: his sensory deprivation tank, and as he wrote in his notes,

741
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: I left my body and went into infinite distances, dimensions

742
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: that are inhuman I traveled through my brain, watching the

743
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: neurons and their activities.

744
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, homeboys, right.

745
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: How crazy be doing taking acid? If you're taken acid? No, okay,

746
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: well it would be wild. I'll just trust me on

747
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: that centry deprivation tank sounds I think.

748
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: If I didn't have a panic attack because of claustrophobia.

749
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: If I were in it, I would one hundred percent

750
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: lose my mind. And and then you know, that's why

751
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: I've told you before why I don't haven't taken acid,

752
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: and I will break my brain. It's already CAUs a

753
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: couple of threads at this real fed braain to keep

754
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: it real, calm, slow.

755
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: As we've covered before in our story about Kerry Grant

756
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: taking a ton of LSD in the nineteen fifties. At

757
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: first LSD was seen as this like better living through chemistry,

758
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until Timothy Leary gets involved and he

759
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: starts feeding acid to the early hippies and he kicks

760
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: off this counterculture revolution with like Cankesi and the Grateful

761
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: Dead and their acid test house parties. That's when the

762
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: US government's like, let's make this illegal, ye. So, But

763
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: after LSD was scheduled as a drug and made illegal,

764
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: Lily was still given a license to use it for research.

765
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: So he's still in the clears to the good. Yeah,

766
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: And so as it's part of his research, he starts

767
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: injecting liquid LSD into dolphins because he's convinced this will

768
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: unlock the secrets of dolphins.

769
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Speech, there's not there's not a lot of consent dolphins

770
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: can give. Zero.

771
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: Can you imagine giving a bunch of dolphins LSD just

772
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: to see what happens? Oh right, like cosmic secrets and.

773
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: Their dogs drunk?

774
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now you're doing it like all the time.

775
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: People will get their dogs drunk. It's like maybe on

776
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: one weekend. He's doing this Monday through Sunday. I mean,

777
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: just like come in for your tail.

778
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: We wouldn't do that to a human being.

779
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: No, we wouldn't do it to like a kid. Would

780
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: probably even do it to a chimban. He did, Yeah,

781
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: who knows? So what did they What did he find

782
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: when the dolphins got sick and twisted on at question?

783
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: So I am the one who asked what.

784
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: The dolphin research is that Lily's Dolphin has lab discovered

785
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: is that dolphins were roughly seventy percent more vocal when

786
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: they were tripping on acid. They just started gibber jabbering

787
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: like you know, human beings on cocaine. All right, But

788
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: as Lily wrote in his notes, the important thing for

789
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: us with the LSD and the dolphin is that what

790
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: we see has no meaning in the verbal sphere. We

791
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: are out of what you might call the rational exchange

792
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: of complex ideas because we haven't developed communication in that

793
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: particular way as yet. So basically they're talking more, we

794
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: still don't understand a word. Sure, So, as a veterinarian,

795
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: this guy Andy Williamson said he was summing up the

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: experience of giving LSD to dolphins, and he pointed out

797
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: that different species react to different pharmaceuticals in different ways.

798
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: A tranquilizer made for horses might induce a state of

799
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: excitement in a dog. Playing with pharmaceuticals is a tricky

800
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: business to say the least. So basically, dolphins didn't get

801
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: off on acid the same way human beings do. So, oh,

802
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: I guess this is not the universal key. So after

803
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: injecting the dolphins with liquid LSD for a while, Lily

804
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: finds it's not helping him understand the dolphin language. It

805
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be helping the dolphins themselves.

806
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Their minds are already expanded.

807
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, there's no cosmic mysteries to unlocked because

808
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: the dolphins maybe on a higher level road. That's not

809
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: to say no lessons were learned, because meanwhile, one of

810
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: his friends said he watched Lily transform from a scientist

811
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: with a white coat to a full blown hippie. Oh right. So,

812
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: by the mid sixties, as the acid counterculture starts taking

813
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: hold of the public's imagination, they see how scientists, like

814
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: the scientist views of Alstee change because of society. Right.

815
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: So the director of his lab, he's had enough. Right,

816
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: He decides this is a waste of my one wild,

817
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: precious life. He doesn't want to be associated with any

818
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: hippie dippy science, so he leaves a project, and by

819
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight the lab loses its NASA funding. The

820
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: Dolphin House Lab is closed. Lily is like, I don't care.

821
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: Man, and all these burnout dolphins are left just to

822
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: go out and fend for themselves.

823
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: Part of the rainbow family now following the dead around

824
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: the country garbage can. So Lily keeps after his dream

825
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: though of unlocking dolphin speech. He moves on from acid

826
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: and he starts finding private funding. He expands his toolkit

827
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 3: with new money, and so instead of injecting dolphins with LSD,

828
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: he moves on to telepathy.

829
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: Man, Oh, it's the logical next step.

830
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: In seventy seven, Lily wrote that I have explored and

831
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: voluntarily entered into domains forbidden by a large fraction of

832
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: those in our culture who are not curious and are

833
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: not explorative and are not mentally equipped to enter these domains.

834
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: All right, Timothy Leary's brother. But at this point Lily

835
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: is considered a cautionary tale that this friend radical scientist

836
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: most famous for dosing dolphins with LSD yeah and doing, oh,

837
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: how's your psychedelic tower babble going? Lily? Right, So he

838
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: spends the seventies in his sensory deprivation tank, just getting

839
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: high on ketamine and chasing like new mysteries of human consciousness. So,

840
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: thanks to his ketemine induced titan state, Lily claims that

841
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: he made contact with aliens. Oh and in one of

842
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: his visions, aliens revealed to him that humanity would one

843
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: day create our own doom, which he described as solid

844
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: state systems which would later evolve and take on the

845
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: form of an an autonomous biological state. So basically, this

846
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 3: thing that we would create would try to eradicate humanity.

847
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: So he is he no, No, it's more like he

848
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: gets high on ketamine and he's like, one day we

849
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: need to worry about the plot of the Terminator movies.

850
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I do worry about that.

851
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: But I don't want you to worry, Elizabeth, because Lily

852
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 3: also said there is a group of benevolent aliens which

853
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: he called the Earth Coincidence Control Office aka Echo, which

854
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: hearkens back to his times with dolphins, obviously, and this

855
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: group of benevolent aliens promises to guide humanity's progress so

856
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: we can avoid our terminator future and help us develop

857
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: a higher level of consciousness.

858
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm bum that the aliens showed up and they talk

859
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: to him.

860
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: Always they picked the word Jackie Gleeson pointed that out

861
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: when he used to talk. He's like, why if aliens

862
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: want to believe, do they always pick kooks to talk

863
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: to deliver their message? Now, Honestly, when I was reading

864
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: about this guy, I kept thinking about Douglas Adams, the

865
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which I

866
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: read all those books as a teen, and I absolutely

867
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: loved him. And in one of the books Dolphins, they

868
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 3: saved themselves from the imminent destruction of Earth by fleeing

869
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: the planet for some alternate dimension, and their final message

870
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: to humanity when they leave the planet is so long

871
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: and thanks for all the fish. Back to Lily in

872
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, he's still had it trying to communicate

873
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: with dolphins. He's moved beyond LSD ketamine. He's now working

874
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: with computers. He creates a new lab that's essentially a

875
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: submerged living room with dolphins and humans communicating. Freaking yeah exactly.

876
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: His new idea is that they humans and dolphins, maybe

877
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: they could learn to create a hybrid language like Spanglish

878
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: based on dolphin and human speech. This also failed, but

879
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: over the years in his varied pursuit of cosmic mysteries,

880
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: he did start enjoying visits from liminaris like Alan Ginsburg,

881
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: Timothy Lary, Richard Feyneman, the physicists.

882
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: Ye.

883
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: In fact, Ginsburg loved to take dips in his sensory deprivation.

884
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: Of course, right, He's gotten to the point now if

885
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: I hear Ginsburg visited, I'm like, oh hanky. So in

886
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: the end, Lily came to the conclusion that quote guides

887
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: at each level above ours pretend to be God as

888
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: long as you believe them. When you finally get to

889
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 3: know the guide, he says, well, God is really the

890
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: next level up God just keeps retreating into infinity.

891
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: He actually got to talk to my manager. You got

892
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: to talk to my man.

893
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of when people talk about we live

894
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: in a simulation and I wass asking him, Okay, well

895
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: then who created the universe where they created the simulation

896
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: And people are like, I don't have an answer for that,

897
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, of course you don't. So Lily did

898
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: leave us with one scientific maxim I'd like to share

899
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: about exploring unknown realms. In the province of the mind,

900
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: what one believes to be true either is true or

901
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be

902
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: found like experimentally and experientially. When so found, these limits

903
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In

904
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: the province of the mind, there are no limits. However,

905
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: in the province of the body, there are definite limits

906
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: not to be transcended.

907
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

908
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take a little break and when we're back,

909
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: we will dive back into this pool and discuss one

910
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: of the Lively's most promising researchers and hear about where

911
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 3: she took his work and her attempts to communicate with dolphins.

912
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: It's also ridiculous and criminal, Elizabeth.

913
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: Yes, we are dip.

914
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: Back in the pool and get down with some.

915
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Dolphins for our next watering.

916
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: They look nice, by the way, for our next bout

917
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: of magical thinking with science, I'd like to introduce you

918
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: to Margaret love It.

919
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: Hello.

920
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: She worked at Lily's dolphin lab on the US Virgin Islands,

921
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: and she was this volunteer naturalist.

922
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: She loved it. She was a nature Margaret loved it.

923
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: She Margaret love It.

924
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, hold that thought, natural born nature lover right as

925
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: a child. Her future interest in science was also inspired

926
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 3: by a book she read. The book was called Miss Kelly.

927
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: Those islands are the blue dolphins close?

928
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: No? Miss Kelly is about a cat who could speak

929
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: with and communicate with human beings. That sounds awesome, right,

930
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: So this dream stayed with young Margaret, and so when

931
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: she got older she wanted to learn to speak with animals.

932
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: He's like, what do you want to do for a living?

933
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: I want to learn to speak with animals?

934
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: Why?

935
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: And then she finds this book by John Lily called

936
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: Man and Dolphin, which he'd published in nineteen sixty one.

937
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: It was a popular book, It was a bestseller. It

938
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: captivates Margaret love It's imagination. In his book mannon Dolphin,

939
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: Lily described how dolphins could imitate human speech, and he

940
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: wrote about his hopes to one day teach dolphins to

941
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: speak English, and if he's successful, dolphins would be able

942
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: to then use their new voice to advocate for themselves.

943
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: And one day Lily opined that dolphins might have their

944
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 3: own seat at the United Nations. Oh no, they can

945
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: help the shape world share knowledge.

946
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: That sounds great. Did she come from money too.

947
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: No, not so much. She's I can't say bold to.

948
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: Be like, what do you want to do for a living?

949
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: I want to learn how to talk to animals. Were like, well,

950
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: that's great.

951
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: But I think she's she's like bouncing around and like willing,

952
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: like hey can I like, you know, stay here for

953
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: free and I'll donate my time like that. So when

954
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: she sees the book Margaret love It, she gravitates to

955
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: doctor Lily and his work with dolphins. She travels down

956
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: to his lab. As I said, she volunteers. She works

957
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: with him for two years at Dolphin House. In fact,

958
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: it was her idea to waterproof the lab and make

959
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: it an aquatic lab where dolphins could live indoors and

960
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 3: outdoors and be studied. So she first arrives in nineteen

961
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: sixty four. Lily it was deep into his l the

962
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: experiments at the time with the dolphins. She immediately embraced

963
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: his whole mission, if not his methods. She wanted to

964
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: help teach dolphins to speak English too. She's this kind heart,

965
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: natural m path like very well suited for the work,

966
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: like early hippie. But I forgot to mention where John

967
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: Lilly got the idea to give LSD to dolphins. Turns

968
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: out it was suggested to him by the producer of

969
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: the Flipper movies.

970
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: Oh. I thought you're gonna say the Nazis.

971
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, not not in this case, a man

972
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 3: named Ivan Tors. He was like, that's it is great.

973
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: You should give it to dolphins and see what happens.

974
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: Right. So the guy, this guy is the producer for Flippers.

975
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: He just goes around being like, let's give does he

976
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: have a dolphin issue?

977
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: He also did Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges, which is

978
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: like he plays a frog man and like he was

979
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: all about that underwater, Like.

980
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: I I'd like to unpack that with him someday.

981
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should always we could find ivan tours.

982
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: He's probably rip, but that's cool.

983
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: I can't I tell you Frans, you know what.

984
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: I'll telekinesis my way into a conversation.

985
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: Now, Margaret love Its on things, use your telepathy. She

986
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: was not so charitable as to be like, let's give

987
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: LSD to dolphins. She was concerned about animal welfare. Remember

988
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: she's an mpath so she was against giving LSD just

989
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: to see if they would learn English by making psychedelic

990
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: with her. So she kind of deal with Lily. He

991
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: had three dolphins he was working with, right, but he'd

992
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: only give an LSD and speech lessons to two of them.

993
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: So she asked that the youngest one, the third dolphin,

994
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: who was named Peter. She's like, let Peter be my

995
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: research subject that I work with, and I'll try to

996
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: teach him to speak English. No LSD, And Lily's like, okay,

997
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: you got to do yeah, right, this makes sense. So

998
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: no acid for Peter. He's like the control dolphin. And

999
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: but he would you know, he would keep giving it

1000
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: to the other two dolphins. Now, meanwhile, working with Peter

1001
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: all the time caused love It to cross some ethical

1002
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: boundaries of her own. As she put it that relationship

1003
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: of having to be together sort of turned into really

1004
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: enjoying being together and wanting to be together and missing

1005
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: him when I wasn't there, Like she gets becomes obsessed. Right,

1006
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm making a f I know you are now. As

1007
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 3: she later recalled, leaving Dolphin House was really difficult for her,

1008
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: Like each day when she would go to leave work,

1009
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 3: as she put it, every night we would all get

1010
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: in our cars and pull the garage door down and

1011
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: drive away, and I thought, well, there's this big brain

1012
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: floating around all night. It amazed me that everybody kept leaving,

1013
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: and I just thought that was wrong. So Sam, she

1014
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: petitions Lily to let her stay there round the clocks,

1015
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: seven days a week, twenty four hours a day. Ma'am

1016
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: hanging out with the dolphins, and that way she can

1017
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: focus more intently on teaching Peter how to speak English.

1018
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: That's not healthy, Peter tell her this isn't healthy.

1019
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: She made the argument that it's like how a mother

1020
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: teaches a child to learn to speak Okay, she reasoned,

1021
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: maybe it was because I was living so close to

1022
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: the lab. It just seems so simple, like why let

1023
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: the water get in the way. So I said to John, Lily,

1024
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: I want to plaster everything and fill this place with water,

1025
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: and I want to live here. So that's how they

1026
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: came up with that we should turn the inside into

1027
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: the outside.

1028
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: Because she wanted to cohabitize.

1029
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: She made like a dolphin living room, so lily, she seventies,

1030
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: so lily. He loves her commitment. He's like, oh, right,

1031
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: he loves her idea of an underwater lab inside the building, right,

1032
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: So he's high. So he approves her plan to waterproof

1033
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: the floor of the lab, flood the indoor area, invite

1034
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: some dolphins in, and that's how she starts living with

1035
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: Peter the dolphin six days a week, just the two

1036
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: of them, practicing English, cohabitating like roommates, like mother and

1037
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: dolphin child, however you want to describe it. But then

1038
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: on the seventh day of each week, she would rest no,

1039
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: but Peter would swim back out into the pool that

1040
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: was connected to the Caribbean Sea and he would then

1041
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: spend time with the other two dolphins who are getting

1042
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: injected with liquid.

1043
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: LSD talking smack on her, just complaining about her.

1044
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: So she's like, oil, I'm telling you, I don't know

1045
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: what it is, like what dog so they were both females.

1046
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: The other two right, They were named Pamela and Sissy,

1047
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: and as love it remembers them, Sissy was the biggest,

1048
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: like pushy, loud, she sort of ran the show. Pamela

1049
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: was very shy and fearful, and Peter was a young guy.

1050
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: He was sextually coming of age and a bit naughty.

1051
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: You hear this a lot with dolphins. They apparently love to, like,

1052
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: you know, rub themselves on stones, and they're just frisky

1053
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: and naughty, and so she's like, oh, yeah, he's our

1054
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: bad boy. Now. Being a human unsuited for living in

1055
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 3: water for six days a week, Margaret required some space

1056
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: that wasn't underwater. So she had a desk built that

1057
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: was attached to the ceiling and suspended for there, so

1058
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: she'd keep her notes and do her paperwork on that

1059
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: desk that's suspended from the ceiling. Yeah.

1060
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1061
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 3: And she also needed a place to sleep, so since

1062
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 3: she was in the lab for six days a week,

1063
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day, so that's where she would sleep,

1064
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: was on this raised platform that she created out of

1065
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: the water, so she didn't get pruned up. Yeah, can

1066
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 3: you imagine that.

1067
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: She didn't even want to be like in the next room.

1068
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: No. Yeah, she wanted to be like mother and child like,

1069
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: so she can honly be telling him.

1070
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever tell her that moms sometimes get their

1071
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: own kids in the other room? Yeah?

1072
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: So, But can you imagine that? Like laying on a

1073
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: platform looking around, You're like in this little room with

1074
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: just you and a dolphin. I can't well, don't answer that, Elizabeth,

1075
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: because I want you to close your eyes. Say it,

1076
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: and I want you to picture the eyes a closed

1077
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: It's a calm night at the dolphin house. The set

1078
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: of pumps that errate the water hum as they work.

1079
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: The echo of the water lightly splashing against the walls

1080
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: is a soft comfort. And you, Elizabeth, are a water

1081
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: skimmer insect. With your long, lean legs, you balanced gingerly,

1082
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: held up by the surface tension of the water. At

1083
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 3: the moment, all is still in the lab. The only

1084
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: other intelligent creatures in the dolphinarium are Peter the dolphin

1085
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: and Margaret, the human scientist. Peter is asleep, so he

1086
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: occasionally surfaces for a breath of air, but he doesn't

1087
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: swim around much. However, the human Margaret, she can't sleep.

1088
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: You really wish she would, because you'd like to settle

1089
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: into some rest of your own instead. You keep hearing

1090
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: her speak aloud to herself. She must be recording herself

1091
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: for notes. It's something she does often. You're used to

1092
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: it by now. As she prattles on, you remind yourself

1093
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: that you should find a better place to sleep. But

1094
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: the protection from predators is hard to beat. At the moment,

1095
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: you hear Margaret as she narrates her existence and her

1096
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: doubts about her life choices. It seems difficult being human.

1097
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: Then she starts back up again. You hear her click

1098
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: on her recording device and she says human people are

1099
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: out there having dinner or whatever, and here I am.

1100
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: You sigh to yourself and think, girl, please go to sleep.

1101
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: It is late, but in said, she crattles on. There's

1102
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: a moonlight reflecting on the water, this fin and this

1103
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 3: bright eye looking at me. Wow, Why am I here?

1104
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: You roll your eyes. It's another one of her existential nights. Perfect.

1105
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: You hear her and record some more of her thoughts.

1106
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: What am I doing here? I guess you could say,

1107
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm just like trying to find out what Peter's doing here,

1108
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 3: and then what we can do together? As if on cue.

1109
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: Peter resurfaces, takes a deep breath through his blowhole, and

1110
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: then stas back into his sleep. Underwater. You use your

1111
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: long legs to run across the surface of the water.

1112
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: Maybe she won't be so loud on the other side

1113
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: of the dolphinarium and you can finally get some sleep too.

1114
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: But just as you get comfortable against a far wall,

1115
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: you hear her speak up again. This is the whole point.

1116
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: Nobody has done this before. You think to yourself, yeah, girl,

1117
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: you're a pioneer. Please shut up and just go to sleep.

1118
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: So there you are, Elizabeth. That's an example of shared

1119
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: aquatic life for Margaret love It and her dolphin roommate Peter.

1120
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh it sounds fabulous, Sign me up.

1121
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: The larger question remains, was she successful? Did she ever

1122
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 3: get the dolphin to speak English well? Over time? She

1123
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: tried to teach Peter to greet her each day and

1124
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 3: to say her name like through his whistles and clicks,

1125
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 3: And there's audio recordings of her trying to get him

1126
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 3: to say hello, Margaret or whatever. Right as she tells it,

1127
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: em was very difficult, my name Hello, Margaret. I worked

1128
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: on the MMM sound and he eventually rolled over to

1129
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: bubble it through the water, and that he worked on

1130
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 3: so hard.

1131
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't have less.

1132
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So, Elizabeth, you're spending six days a week

1133
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: with a dolphin living together, one might lose sight of

1134
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: what makes you and the dolphin different as you focus

1135
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 3: on what makes you the same. Well, one thing about

1136
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 3: dolphins is, as I said earlier, they are a very

1137
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: horny creature. And Peter was young, so he was horny

1138
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: like a teenage boy.

1139
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: Ye.

1140
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: Margaret didn't really consider that night at first, but Peter

1141
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: made his interest obvious. As she recalls it, we had

1142
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: nothing to do was when we did the most. He

1143
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: was very, very interested in my anatomy. If I was

1144
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: sitting here and my legs were in the water, he

1145
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: would come up and look at the back of my

1146
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: for a long time. He wanted to know how that

1147
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: thing worked, and I was so charmed by it. So

1148
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 3: naturally their relationship progresses and begins to blur the boundaries

1149
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: that nature had erected to keep the species separate. As

1150
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: love It tells it, Peter liked to be with me.

1151
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: He would rub himself on my knee or my foot

1152
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: or my hand and at first, I would put him

1153
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: downstairs with the girls. Now, I notice that she said

1154
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: at first, which implies that things change, which they did.

1155
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: Remember how I said dolphins are extra horny. Just keep

1156
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: remembering that.

1157
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to remember.

1158
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: It got in the way of their work together. It

1159
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: would take her too much time to transfer Peter to

1160
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: go spend time with the two female dolphins, and he

1161
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: can relieve his natural urges. So Margaret love it just

1162
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: started letting him relieve his urges on her stock. Don't

1163
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: be gross, Elizabeth. They didn't have sex.

1164
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: I don't care. I just boundary.

1165
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: But like with Bill Clinton, it depends on what the

1166
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: definition of these is or In other words, while she

1167
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: did not have sexual relations with the dolphin, Peter did

1168
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: enjoy sexual stimulation. Margaret let the dolphin get off on

1169
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: her life leg course. O, my god, I allowed that.

1170
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't uncomfortable with it is It wasn't.

1171
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Rough she is unwell, she is unwell.

1172
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it would just become part of what was going on,

1173
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: like an itch. Just get rid of it, scratch it,

1174
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: and move on. That's how it seemed to work out.

1175
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't private. People coulds observe it. Oh, she was

1176
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: doing it in front of it because they haven't observed race.

1177
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: This place needs to just be leveled, flood the whole joint.

1178
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: They have real you got the leader of it is

1179
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: just out of his mind on drugs, floating in the

1180
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: sensory deprivation.

1181
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: Tank, trying to unlock cosmic She's.

1182
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: Romancing the dolphins and oh my god, these people.

1183
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: Remember there's also people who like to watch it. I

1184
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: do like to watch, but they're scientists who are like

1185
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: documenting all of this.

1186
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: Right, this is why, this is why we have to

1187
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: fight for funding for science.

1188
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1189
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: They make everybody look like a ding dog.

1190
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: Agree now to be crystal clear love. It articulated what

1191
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: exactly happened in the waters of the dolphin area. Peter

1192
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: was right there.

1193
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't need to hear.

1194
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: He knew that I was right there. It was sexual

1195
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: on my part, sensuous perhaps it seemed to me that

1196
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: it made the bond closer, not because of the sexual activity,

1197
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: but because of the lack of having to keep breaking.

1198
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: That's really all it was. I was there to get

1199
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: to know Peter, and that was part of Peter.

1200
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: She is unwell.

1201
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the rest of the world finds out what's going on. Oh,

1202
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: that's fortune at the Dolphin House. When the magazine Hustler

1203
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 3: publishes a story Margaret and Peter, and this catches love

1204
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: it totally, by surprise, she doesn't know. They don't come

1205
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: down an interviewer. They just apparently see some stories coming out.

1206
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: Some one of the other scientists was like this and

1207
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: tried to write like a Pehouse Forum letters. They wouldn't

1208
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: take it. He goes to Hustler, Bob, let's do this.

1209
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: I think Larry Flint's Hustler. I think he's Pehouse's Penhouse,

1210
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: one of those Yeah, let's do it, let's do it.

1211
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: So she tells it. I never even heard of Hustler.

1212
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: I think there was two magazine stores on the island

1213
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: at the time, and I went to one and I

1214
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: looked and I found this story with my name and

1215
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: Peter and a drawing. So when she sees the story

1216
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: in Hustler about her and Peter, she buys up all

1217
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: the copies of the magazine that are for sale, right

1218
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: but she can she can't afford to buy all the

1219
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: issues ever published. So the story gets out there and

1220
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: I love it, puts it to this day. The Hustler

1221
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: story still exists online. You can still find a story. Yeah,

1222
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: and she told The Guardian in an interview, it's a

1223
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: bit uncomfortable. The worst experiment in the world I've read

1224
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: somewhere was me and Peter. That's fine, I don't mind.

1225
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: But that was not the point of it, not the

1226
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: result of it. So I just ignore.

1227
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: It, ma'am, ma'am. If you're doing something and you feel like,

1228
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: uh oh, if everyone else in the world finds out

1229
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: about this, this is bad businesses stop usually right now.

1230
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 3: If you're wonder what happened to Peter the dolphin after

1231
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: Lily lost his funding for the Dolphin House lab because

1232
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: I remember his director left, Robin said, I couldn't keep Peter.

1233
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: Has he been a cat or a dog then maybe,

1234
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 3: but not a dolphin? No kidding, she had. They sent

1235
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: him to a private lab in Miami, where Lily opened

1236
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: up his private lab him go no, no, he can't

1237
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: at this point, he's way too captive. So thanks to

1238
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: research like this, in nineteen seventy nine, the United States

1239
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: passed new legislation to protect dolphins from humans from Lily

1240
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 3: and Margaret Love It specifically, it's the Animal Welfare Act.

1241
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: It outlines laws that govern the care for captive dolphins

1242
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: and other cetaceans used for research. There are also state laws.

1243
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: For instance, I found in Texas it's illegal to speak

1244
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: to a dolphin. Really, you can't even don't talk to

1245
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: that dolphins.

1246
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, this is a gateway.

1247
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 3: Like if you're in Texas and you're on a boat

1248
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: or on a dock and you see a dolphin, you

1249
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: speak to them, you just broke the law. Wow, is

1250
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: the Houston Chronicle put it. In Texas, where dolphins are

1251
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 3: regularly spotted in your shorelines, peers and tour boats, especially

1252
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: around Galveston and Surfside Beach, it's against the law to

1253
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: try to interact with them anyway. That includes feeding, swimming alongside, touching,

1254
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: or even attempting to get their attention. So under federal law,

1255
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: according to the statutes of the Marine Mammal Protection Act,

1256
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 3: if you violate that law on harass a dolphin, you

1257
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: can get jail time and be fined up to one

1258
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. That's good, there, he goes. This is

1259
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 3: all thanks to, as you pointed out, a few well

1260
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: meaning scientists, and it's now illegal for you to speak

1261
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: with a wild dolphin alone. It's definitely illegal to give

1262
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: a dolphin LSD. So there you go. What's your ridiculous

1263
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: takeaway here?

1264
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: A little wild, be wild? Stop with this. I mean,

1265
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: I understand that there are things that we need to investigate.

1266
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: There's research that has to be done. But you know,

1267
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 2: when you get someone who is unwell, both of those

1268
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: you know, bozos, they bring their own issues to it,

1269
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: that's not real research, that's just tainted.

1270
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: It's you know, just like religion. By the way, just

1271
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 3: like with the religion, scientists can also suffer from righteousness

1272
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 3: to pursue something with the zealotry of a religious you know,

1273
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: pursuit and they go like, I want to find I

1274
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: want to unlock you. I can teach dolphins to speak English,

1275
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're giving them LSD. You're like, okay,

1276
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: maybe across the line.

1277
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: Well, and everyone has an agenda, yes, but you know

1278
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: a lot of times you can separate that out or

1279
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: acknowledge it. But when your agenda is your own mental instability,

1280
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: that makes it.

1281
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: If someone else is giving you money and you have

1282
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: to use it up and you got to show results,

1283
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: you're a little more likely to do insane things windows.

1284
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: You know, what is a publisher parish it All of

1285
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: a sudden you're like, how do I get liquid LSD

1286
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: in the same in the Virgin Islands? All right, Elizabeth,

1287
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: you're in the move for a talk bang alway produce

1288
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: a D Can you hit us with one?

1289
01:02:54,120 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: Oh god, Hey guys, I've been enjoying your show for

1290
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 4: many years, and I swear my IQ goes up every

1291
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 4: time I press play. I also have a podcast and

1292
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Speaker 4: named Arguing ever After, and I've learned how much extra

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Speaker 4: work you all are putting into making your show great.

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Speaker 4: I love recommending your show whenever someone asks what I

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Speaker 4: all to make me laugh and give me some fascinating

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Speaker 4: how cultured and knowledgeable I am. Keep up the brilliance.

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Speaker 2: Wow, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Praise that is.

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Speaker 2: I'm usually told that people's IQs drop after talking to me,

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Speaker 2: So that felt really good and I thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was great, And we will go and check

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Speaker 3: out your podcast definitely. And yes, as you su see,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of work behind the scene, Buddy y well,

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Speaker 3: as always, you can find us online Ridiculous Crime on

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Speaker 3: social media that would include what is it Blue Sky

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Speaker 3: Blue sel in stockgram And we also have our count

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime pod pod on YouTube. Go check it out

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Speaker 3: if you like getting your podcasts there.

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Speaker 2: If you buy a pair of metaglasses and you hit

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Speaker 2: it five times on the side, we appear on.

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Speaker 3: The ones Oh I did not know that, look at us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, try it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, we have our website, Ridiculous Crime dot com. That's

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Speaker 3: winning paintings made by Elizabeth. No not really. We also Hello,

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Speaker 3: we love your talkbacks the iHeart app. Go find it,

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Speaker 3: Maybe you'd like to hear your voice here, so do it.

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Speaker 3: Do it. Also email us if you want a Ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime at gmail dot com. And if you email us,

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Speaker 3: please start the email. Dear producer d thanks for listening

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Speaker 3: and we will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 3: hosted by Elizabeth Dunton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited

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Speaker 3: by our shop Steward and Union rep who negotiates with

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Speaker 3: our alien overlords, Dave Kustin and Star bring Annalys Rucker

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Speaker 3: as research is by the best minds Allen Ginsberg ever

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Speaker 3: Jabarry Davis. Our theme song is by the first band

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Speaker 3: to write dolphin music. For your next underwater dance party,

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Speaker 3: Guest Harra macup By Sparkles and mister Andre. Executive producers

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Speaker 3: are the co presidents of the Free Willie Fanclub, Ben

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Speaker 3: Bolin and Noel Brown.

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Speaker 2: Why Say It One More Time?

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Speaker 1: Geek cr Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio four

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