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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit Union,

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Speaker 1: featuring Jaguars senior writer John Osier and executive producer Dave

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Speaker 1: de Candice the guests this week. I can't say how

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Speaker 1: excited I am about it from for multiple reasons that

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Speaker 1: somebody I worked with. It's hard to believe three decades

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Speaker 1: ago in the Florida Times Union. The astute older Times

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Speaker 1: Union reader will certainly recognize with this person. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: is now very very close as its close to maybe

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Speaker 1: any abody in the media is with new Jaguars head

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Speaker 1: coach Urban Meyer. Without further ado, I'll introduce Buddy Martin

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Speaker 1: of The Buddy Martin Show. And Buddy, it's been a

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Speaker 1: long time since we've talked. We have crossed path a

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Speaker 1: lot over the years. When I was covering Florida in

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Speaker 1: the early nineties, we spent a lot of time together.

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Speaker 1: But you, I guess got to know Urban very well

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Speaker 1: when he was the coach there. I want to get

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Speaker 1: to that in a minute. But how have you been

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Speaker 1: and I tell me what you were doing now and

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Speaker 1: about the Buddy Martin Show. Thank you, John. I'm just

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Speaker 1: thinking back about that staff at the time of Union

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Speaker 1: that we had people that were a young guy named

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Speaker 1: Frank Fransie and the young guy Matt Hays, and we

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Speaker 1: had a different a good group of people, and that

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Speaker 1: was a good time I spend Jacksonville. And even then,

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Speaker 1: the seeds of the Jaguars were being it was being uh,

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Speaker 1: we're planted, because we were talking about one day having

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Speaker 1: this NFL team in Jacksonville, which most people thought was

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Speaker 1: a pipe drain, you know, but I remember writing about it,

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Speaker 1: what if, what if and the things, and so here

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Speaker 1: we are, all these years later, and uh, good to

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Speaker 1: see you again and talk to you again. Look forward

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Speaker 1: to having a chance to have you on the Buddy

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Speaker 1: Martin Showing podcasts soon. We're on four nights a week

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Speaker 1: and one Friday, Best Fridays of Football. So John, it's

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Speaker 1: good to hook up with you again. Fantastic. It's it's

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Speaker 1: funny when I introduced somebody is somebody I worked with

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago. It makes me feel great the relationships

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Speaker 1: last that long. It makes me feel very old, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. We were among the younger people

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Speaker 1: in our positions in the entire business at that point.

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Speaker 1: That's how we're playing it. Anyway. Well, tell me about Urban,

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Speaker 1: and there's probably so much about him that we can't

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Speaker 1: cover it all in one podcast. But I guess for

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Speaker 1: fans who sort of no Urban from Florida, they know

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Speaker 1: the person on the TV that they see it in

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Speaker 1: the press conferences. You have gotten to know him better

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Speaker 1: than that. Um, what do you respect the most about

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Speaker 1: the guy? Just give me an overview of maybe that

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Speaker 1: your feelings and your relationships with the guy. I respect

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Speaker 1: his commitment as passion to the game of football and

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Speaker 1: coaching and the way he tries to do it the

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Speaker 1: right way. I respect that he knows there will be,

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Speaker 1: as they say, hiccups a long way and failures, but

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Speaker 1: he is ability to get up and go at it again,

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Speaker 1: and it's remarkable. I respect that he does what he

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Speaker 1: thinks is right despite the critics. And I respect that

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Speaker 1: he celebrates football the way he does. And I've had

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be, as you pointed out, John fairly

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Speaker 1: close to him, having written a book with Urban his

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Speaker 1: official biography in two thousand and seven. I would plug him,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think you can buy it anymore so anyways,

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Speaker 1: called Urban's Way and some experiences I had over two

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Speaker 1: years writing that book. We're really interesting. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: about something later if you like. Then. Of course he

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Speaker 1: pick up this podcast Best Fridays in Football that we've

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Speaker 1: done for twenty three secretive weeks, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: he approached me about last summer in a rare call

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Speaker 1: from him from a golf course. So people can still

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Speaker 1: find that on YouTube. Correct, they can find this. Actually

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Speaker 1: it's not on YouTube. It's something I hope it's still

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Speaker 1: if you go any of the platforms you can go. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We do rent it on the Bunny Martins Show, Facebook

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Speaker 1: Live on Fridays, but primarily anywhere you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: look under Best Fridays in Football. The more podcast it

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Speaker 1: And so I come away with great respect and admiration

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Speaker 1: for urban, very happy. I texted him and put note

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Speaker 1: just saying I was thrilled for him. Welcome home. Hashtag

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Speaker 1: probably don't know about he's working on. We did a

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. So I I really respect and love his loyalty,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes I think his loyalty is what gets him

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Speaker 1: in trouble. Sure you mentioned something that caught my ear

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Speaker 1: just then, Uh, celebrate the game of football. What do

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Speaker 1: that was our goal to to talk about, learn and

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Speaker 1: celebrate the great game of college football. College being the

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Speaker 1: emphasis there and what happens in our business as journalists,

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Speaker 1: cramp these stories and it sometimes becomes alienation. And now

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Speaker 1: with the modern media it's different. It didn't like it

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Speaker 1: called old guy, but I am. Relationships used to be

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Speaker 1: really important, and John, you know they are because you

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Speaker 1: you've had some of yourself. Relationships are important. I don't

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Speaker 1: I said, Urban like it and not. You're a part

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Speaker 1: say media, I'm sorry, but Buddy Martin is not the

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Speaker 1: same thing as the guy with a hundred followers on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Nor is John Osier or Frank Fragie whatever. We're different

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Speaker 1: it's called you about her and set this up. You

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Speaker 1: urban A lot of people don't know. And his good

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Speaker 1: his first head coaching job, Uh, he had to come

428
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: in and change a lot of things. First of all,

429
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: there was really no study hall and no academic counseling.

430
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Speaker 1: So he along with a couple of the coaches, beginning

431
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: to teach study hall and get into studies and teach

432
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: kids out of study. It was a very big thing

433
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: for him. And but he is famous for breaking a

434
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: team down before they start. If you look at Florida

435
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: what he did there, you probably remember when he first

436
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: came in there, he couldn't get a response, so he

437
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: took away everything from them, and he asked what they

438
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: called the champions club, and the champions Club the great

439
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: out there's being the people who practice the best, play

440
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: the best whatever. During the offseason they are giving perks

441
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: and at the meal table they get to eat steaks

442
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and they get to eat great food. And then and

443
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: the other guys are in the Champions Club have to

444
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: eat bologny and what have you. That's just the way.

445
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: It is definitely a distinction. He wants it to be known.

446
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: And during that time at Florida, before I get back

447
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: to Bowling Green, he took away the big alligator there

448
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: that's in the hallway, and when you go in the

449
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: locker room, he took away all kinds of gear and

450
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: let them art it back. And he put the stripe

451
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: on every young players, every rookie helmet, and they had

452
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: earned their strikeing by taking it off, and so very

453
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: very ceremony in that regard. But at Bowling Green, to

454
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: get their attention, he decided to take them all into

455
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: the gymnasium, locked the doors, make them run, run, run, run,

456
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: run until they collapse. They stationed garbage kings in each

457
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: corner of the gym with the garbage bags, and everybody

458
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Barthur guts out and it was really a horrible day.

459
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: How are they were horrible? Scene, and of course players quit,

460
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: so and that was okay with him. If they couldn't

461
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: last that way, they were gonna last on the team.

462
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: They wound up with a core UH players enough to

463
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: be able to go out and be competitive and win.

464
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: But as he says down, looking back on that, that

465
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: was a thirty two or thirty three year old coach

466
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: out of control. He would never do that again. So

467
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: he's kind of he's a big believer. He he majored

468
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: in psychology, so he knows about path law's dog, he

469
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: knows about response and what have you. So that's the

470
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: techniques he has used, and over the years, different ways,

471
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: there were different teams, every games he's used those things.

472
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna call it Urban's back

473
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: and tricks or not, but it's not really I think

474
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: that's the question a lot of people have. There are

475
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: two questions I'm gonna jump ahead of you. There are

476
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: two questions that people are gonna ask about Urban. Number one,

477
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: how long when he coach will this health hold up? Um?

478
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: And and can his way of coaching? Uh? Can you

479
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: poach that way? And will professional players respond like college

480
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: players did? Those are two big questions. So now that

481
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: you've asked the questions. Wait, John, do I have to

482
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: ask him and answer him to Oh? No, I know,

483
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: I know obviously give you uh so Uh yeah, I

484
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: mean I don't know the answers. I can give you

485
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: a guess. That's all it did, educated guests. Uh And

486
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I've talked to some people about his health, not medically,

487
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: but I did have one good doctor friend who said, look,

488
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: I'm not a you know, I don't I'm not a neurologist.

489
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: I can't tell you about the system the brains. I

490
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: can tell you what I think I heard read whatever.

491
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: Um and uh. I said to the doctor who knows

492
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: him pretty well, can his health be menaced? And he said, yes,

493
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: it can so so and he was you know, he

494
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: was an honest guy. And so the iraqnill exists in

495
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: his brain, which, by the way, apparently I'm not a

496
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: doctor obviously, or he was a medical expert, but apparently

497
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: at the end of his career at Florida had flared

498
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: up and caused him to almost collapse or new collapse

499
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: on the sideline is I guess it's exacerbated about stress.

500
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently got bad. Cannot be it's not

501
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: it's in opera, you can't operate it. It was drained

502
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: to understand. Then he went to Ohio and had the

503
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: same thing happened when he passed out in the field.

504
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Um and uh. Of course, ultimately he stepped down for

505
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: other reasons, but that the chem a concern. His family

506
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: was very concerned about it. He could never sign off.

507
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: When I said I you're gonna coach again, he would say, well,

508
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I won't never see. Everybody said I have to. My

509
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: family's got to kind of approve it, you know. So

510
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: so that was that's a big issue. And for those

511
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: people who say they don't get me started on this subject,

512
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: who say he created his fake injury or you knows

513
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to get out of a job, that's crap. That's not true.

514
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. But people like to

515
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: use it against him. Well, you know everybody will have

516
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: a heart attack. Well, first of all, you never had

517
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: an art attack. I was number one. But trust me,

518
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: it's like his friends said, with urban goes will he

519
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: will collapse on the field. So he gives everything he's got,

520
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: so so, so that would be the health question. I

521
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: think how long I tried to make an ass for

522
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: this other day, John, He's watch fifty six, right, he

523
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: will be a FI seven in July. Uh, let's say

524
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: that's give him three to four years there at least,

525
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: because you know, until sixty. I'm just guessing. I don't

526
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: have any information training, but I'm thinking that he would

527
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: certainly like to make it to sixty. And I would

528
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: think there's no reason why I can't unless the losing

529
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: gets to him. And that's what everybody talks about it.

530
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a minute about that, my conversation with

531
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Mr Spurry about that. But so so where were we? Uh? Yeah,

532
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: the health question is a big one. I think in

533
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: my opinion, Uh, I think he will manage himself because

534
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: he has changed. He does things differently. Um, and he

535
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: think he will coach there at least three to five years,

536
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: maybe more. Uh. Some of the people who asked me

537
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: what you can do? How will he? He will succeed?

538
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Depending on what your definition of successes. My good close

539
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: friend Terry Bradshaw, who have been good friends for the

540
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: thirty years, no servant a little bit now. He says

541
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: he thinks he'll be a big success as a coach

542
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL because you're smart and he has a plan,

543
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: and he's a really good guy, a good coach. So

544
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: so how long, Well, I'm giving it three to five years. Uh,

545
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: And I'm a guesting because so what's he gonna do?

546
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: How's he gonna the question is under the NFL's format

547
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: where it's a good year, when you lose four games,

548
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: can you take the hit of those four games and realize,

549
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: like Steve Spurrier said, you know, you just you want

550
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: to aspire to go out and go, you know, ten

551
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: and six or whatever if you can, it's okay to

552
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: lose four or five because you know it's hard to

553
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: win in the NFL. How will that impact Urban? He's

554
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: been asked that question, He's gonna be asking a thousand

555
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: more times. That's a big one that I can't answer it.

556
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: So obviously what's in front of him now is a

557
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: similar right coach eself, which we know he's doing now.

558
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: He will have a big he will have a strong organization.

559
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: He's a big organization guy. Find his franchise quarterback. We

560
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: think we wouldentify it, but we don't know a hundred

561
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: percent that that's gonna happen. But it looks like they

562
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: got their guy in Lawrence. I don't think Fields will

563
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: be the guy, but anyway, what do I know? It

564
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: depends on the moment. Uh. And then the question is

565
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Kenny win, can he motivate the players in this way?

566
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: And how it will be different? And I'm I'm looking

567
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: at something like this again, simply guessing what they win

568
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: one game this year? Right, say that, I think they're

569
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna win five or six next year. Let's just say five.

570
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: So he goes five at eleven. If you look at

571
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: his record, he's done very well the second year of

572
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: his jobs, really good two thousand and six and the

573
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: actual champion, um and so I think him, But it's

574
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: harder to win, and you your quarterbacks probably only then

575
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: beginning to learn how to play. Somebody be conservative. I'm

576
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna go eight day man. Maybe you know, maybe they

577
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a little better, but eight and eight five

578
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: hundred slightly about in three years at least, if not

579
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: to he will be in the playoffs eleven twelve wins,

580
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: and he'll be competing. And I think if he does that,

581
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: obviously has been a success. Shot kan and so I've

582
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: got himself a winner. I'm not gonna make a prediction

583
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: because I don't know, but I think as he shoots

584
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: forward and goes to age sixty by the time he

585
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: has sixty, if he's happy with life, which by the way,

586
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: he has been very happy with his life. Uh, he

587
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: may hang it up and say I've done my four

588
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: or five years. I brought the franchise around, Thank you

589
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: very much. I got me. I'll keep my home with

590
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: Badavidro wherever he buys one. Um, you know. And uh,

591
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: and and I'll be a fan. I'll go to the

592
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: front office hewn about. That's my best projection. It's only

593
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: a guess. Did you, in spending a lot of time

594
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: with him in the fall, did you get any sense

595
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: that he was pairing for this and did you get

596
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: any sense of what his focuses were in terms of NFL,

597
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: what he was thinking about, conversations he was having or

598
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't come up. You're talking about college football

599
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: and a word no right? Um? And I said, twenty

600
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: three consecutive weeks of at least thirty minutes, sometimes more,

601
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: sometimes an hour somebody didn't record. We talked about it,

602
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: talked about it. And remember that John every week he

603
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: was being mentioned for another job. That's right Textas I mean,

604
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: there's every college job that came up, well, we hope

605
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: to get our remark every and I finally said to him,

606
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: could you give me Trace Armstrong. It's not his agent, now,

607
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: could you give me your agent? And I want him to.

608
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: I want to get him as an agent because every

609
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: job that comes open, your name is in it. And

610
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: somebody said, well, you know he likes that attention. No

611
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't, he do them, but I mean, yeah, he does.

612
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: He want his name to be brought up. Yeah, but

613
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: he's not the one isn't and he's interested in And

614
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: I said, well, what, well, don't you address it because

615
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: no matter what I say, it would be used against

616
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: me in some fashion social media. So or the coach

617
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: is already there, like Tom Marmy was. He didn't want

618
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: to undercut anybody, so he just didn't speak publicly about it.

619
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: And so he would say I'm not gonna say I'm

620
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: not gonna coach again, because you never know. But right

621
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: now I don't have plans to. And I went back

622
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: to October the sixteenth and listen to the podcast, which

623
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: by the way, I think it's still up on iTunes.

624
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: As I said, and I can, I'm gonna be playing

625
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: replaying something on our show on Fridays occasionally good bytes

626
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: by the way, really good. Um. You know he is,

627
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: as he said, I'm very happy in my life. I

628
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: love my job at Fox. I love being around my grandchildren,

629
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: although he couldn't see how much because of COVID uh

630
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm not I at this point in time,

631
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: it's not likely. But that was college Paul, and I

632
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: kept hearing these rumblings about the NFL, and I heard

633
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: about the Jack and I never really asked you about

634
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think I asked him what the Cleveland

635
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: Browns one time, but and he sort of just dismissed it.

636
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: And he wasn't being dishonest. I don't think he really knew.

637
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I think he I think I think he thought about, well,

638
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: I got this in my back pocket if I want

639
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: to pursue it, you know. And then things began to

640
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: heat up, and obviously in contest some great conversations. I'm

641
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: just guessing I don't know what he's like said and

642
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: that was if you asked me to put my money

643
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: down John back in October, which way I'm going sixty

644
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: forty against him coaching? And then finally I went on

645
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I became sixty later in the year that he would

646
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: coach the love he has for players that have sort

647
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: of led to the philosophy of second, third, fourth chances. Uh,

648
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: that is a real thing that maybe people brush over

649
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: with him but don't realize that it's the core. Um.

650
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Is there any else you can talk about that in

651
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: terms of just how important that is to his philosophy

652
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: and how much that means to him, the trust, the

653
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: that relationship, because it really seems like it defines him.

654
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: It's everything to him. And he said to me on

655
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 1: several occasions in the podcast, when I took a job

656
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: at Utah or Bowling Green or Florida or whatever, I

657
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: would say, and I still say this. I don't work

658
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: for the University of Florida, and I don't work for you.

659
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: I work for the players and their parents. That's my commitment.

660
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: And when you hand off your son to me in

661
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: the living room and say that, then I have a

662
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: responsibility to do the best I can for him. He said.

663
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: My my kids are all played college sports. Trust the

664
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: coach the same way. So he said, I believe that

665
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: is with all my heart. That's about the players, And

666
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: every conversation we talked about is always the players of

667
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: players and players now have an examples where he gotten

668
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: bitten in the butt on it. There's a lot of misconceptions.

669
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't know everything about Urban. I know some of

670
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the things that are being written and said about him

671
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: are absolutely blatantly false and inaccurate. But I know that's

672
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: what he believes. Now, how does that factor in? And

673
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I even said to him sometimes, I said, you know,

674
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Urban people think it's your loyal to a fault. You

675
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: give people too many chances, you know, And he said, no,

676
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't. I think I'm believe in that. I said,

677
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: it wants to play to his associate him, what's to

678
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: the endless player? You guys suspended him no longer with

679
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: the team. Does that mean is he never gonna play again?

680
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: What he said, No, So what exactly is it? I mean,

681
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: how many chances you can the guy get it? Will

682
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: he ever play again? So that depends, I said, depends

683
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: on what this is? How he said, well, if I

684
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: put him in Hawaii in a robot, give him one over,

685
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: if he works his way back, then you'll play. So

686
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: there was some very harsh penalties and if you look

687
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: at his if you look at his record and on.

688
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: You're a smart guy, and you look at two thousand

689
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: six in particular, and some degree two thousand eight. Towards

690
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: the end of the season, he brought back players who

691
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: were in trouble earlier in the year, and they played

692
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: a major factor in some of the big games. So

693
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: he is I called him a preservationist. He would take

694
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: things off the junk pile and reuse them. He would

695
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: take these players that some people would have dismissed and

696
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: band but because they proved themselves in the grays or

697
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: because they did all the punishments, because they did the protocol,

698
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: he brings them back for the last two games, and

699
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: they show up and they show out. And that's the

700
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: strength there is, because I don't think Urban does. They

701
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: had a ninety five man roster at Florida. He made

702
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: sure every single one of them got coached, right down

703
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: to the ninety They all get coached and says that,

704
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He doesn't. I've seen it with my

705
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: own eyes. He coaches every player on that roster, maybe

706
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: not himself personally everyone, but he he knows them all

707
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: and he does make sure they get coached. And player

708
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: development is a very big thing, and that's dan Mons strength,

709
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: which he got somewhat from Herbert Meyer. So anyway, Yeah,

710
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: so that's kind of who he is. I hope I'm

711
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: giving you an accurate portray. No, it's fantastic, It's fantastic.

712
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know again, as I said, when you

713
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: spend a night, when you spend as much time around

714
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: a guy as you have, I've had the opportunity to

715
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: extensive stories as well, obviously, and I know there's always

716
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: things that you can't get to, and there's a million

717
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: things we can talk about. Is there anything that we

718
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: haven't discussed today that you think I'm missing anything about

719
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: him that it's may of the it's many of the misunderstood,

720
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: because I think there's a perception of him that I'm

721
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: sure is not. Yeah, as we talked about accurate, anything

722
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: we've missed or have we given a pretty good overview? Well,

723
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty good. There saw the things we

724
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: haven't talked about. But I want to say one thing,

725
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be listen understood. I'm not

726
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: here to fight Erbant Meyer's battles. I'm not his defense attorney. Okay,

727
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: that's not my job. But I think there's been a

728
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: wrong He's been wronged by some people. Uh. And I

729
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: get in trouble on this when we talk about it

730
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: on the show, to a point where I don't talk

731
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: about it anymore. And I've lost friends over this. By

732
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: the way, and you say the name Erbert Meyer to

733
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: five people, there will be at least one and maybe

734
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: two who will say bad things about him. Let's just

735
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: make up. Somebody say he's a scumbag, he has no integrity,

736
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: and he left his tie and drive. Not true. I

737
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: know the man's heart somewhat. And what puzzles me is

738
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: how this image has been portrayed. And it's almost like

739
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Q nine. People have an alternative truth. They want to

740
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: believed what they want to believe. It. You try it,

741
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: you talk to people, and I've talked to a lot

742
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: of fans, a lot of people. Look, if you don't

743
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: like I, remember, that's fine with me. I don't care.

744
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: That's that's up to you. I'm not here to go

745
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: out of winning friends. I just think when you ask

746
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: people why they tell you they know this and they

747
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: do not know it because I can tell you for

748
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: a fact. Then when they say, well he was there

749
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: was a there was a plan all along. When he

750
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: left Florida and he went to ESPN, he was gonna go.

751
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: He had to plan of mind to go to O

752
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: High State. That is total be us. I can tell you,

753
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I know because one quick story I remembers of the ESPN.

754
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: I think maybe five six weeks whatever it was that year,

755
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: the first year out of coaching, and he called me,

756
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: which he didn't do very often, and he said, could

757
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: he come for coffee? I thought, were but I don't

758
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: live nex store. I'm an okay, you know, and say that.

759
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Of course, when he calls you, you go right. So

760
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: I went to his home in Gainesville and walked in

761
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: and Shelley was there and she left a coffee cake

762
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: or whatever coffee. We went to his lunai and we

763
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: sat and talked and he said to me, he said,

764
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: I want you to take this book. It's a book

765
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: about him. It's a fictional book about a coach. He

766
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of sells his soul in high school and what

767
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: he learned by it. Herbert loved it. In fact, he

768
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: actually wrote it forward for it. And we talked about coaching.

769
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: We talked about coaches and about doing things right way

770
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: and the wrong way, and in general and I think.

771
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: I asked him, do you think of my coaching? And

772
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: he said, I don't want to say anything around Shelley,

773
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about it. But I don't know, not yet.

774
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe a couple of years. I don't know. I

775
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, at that point in time, uh Luke

776
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Becker was a coach at the Ohio State and everybody

777
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: can see it the new the handwritings on the wall.

778
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: I said, I, what are you gonna do when Ohio

779
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: State comes looking for a coach? He said, they got one.

780
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna have him all season. You know what. I said. No,

781
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: He said, lou he's already there and you know, and

782
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: they got a coach, said Urban, if you think you

783
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: want to coach, I said this to him. That's why

784
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I know he didn't have any plans. If you're ever

785
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna coach again, you're gonna have to step up because

786
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: this is your opportunity because Ohio State won't be available

787
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: next year. He said, well, I don't want to think

788
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: about that, right, I really don't want to think about

789
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: someone you're gonna have to think about it. I'm the

790
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: one telling him, so I know there was no diabolical plan.

791
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: To do that, right. But if you ask a Gator

792
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: and they said, wow, he was gonna leave us high

793
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: and dry, I'll give you a great factor it. I'm

794
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: saving it for a story of writing this week. If

795
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: you just go ahead and do your own test about

796
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: what do you don't what is you don't like or

797
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: hay about irbeer and that's fine, and people will say, well,

798
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: he left us high and dry. As a colleague of

799
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: mine wrote the other day, irban Meyer coached six years

800
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: of Florida, not six months, all right, exactfully, aside for

801
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: the two national championships. And he apparently researches and I

802
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: haven't checked it out yet, he said. People you know,

803
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: say he betrayed whatever he said, a hundred years of

804
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: Florida football, only four coach just stayed longer. Yep. So

805
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: there's one thing I could go on. There's other things.

806
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: You know that he coddles criminal players. Not true, he's forgiving,

807
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: maybe to a fault loyalty, but you know they, oh,

808
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you know they it's always criminals. Lets them there on

809
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: the run them up. So there's a lot of misconceptions,

810
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: and urban does nothing to try and change their minds.

811
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: He just does what he does so, so I think

812
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: if you asked me, you know what, that's the one story.

813
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: And I don't think it will come into play a

814
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: buch of Jacksonville as part of the history and then

815
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: will come up again and again. But do your own

816
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: pole and just ask people, Hey, what do you think

817
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: it's like saying the red state or blue state? Immediately

818
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: people get polarized, you know, they get polarized. Why I

819
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: don't understand. That's a mystery to me right here. Well,

820
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: powerful personalities tend to be polarizing, and that's that's his reality.

821
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: And well, Buddy, I could go on and on about

822
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm respect I have for you, how much I value

823
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: our relationship and how much I appreciate you doing this

824
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: fantastic stuff. And I think fans who are listening to this,

825
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: if they open up their ears, we'll have learned a

826
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: lot about Urban Meyer. So I want to thank you

827
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: so much. I look forward to being on your podcast

828
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: with the other forward to talking you about Urban over

829
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: the years. Thank you so much, Buddy, Mark a pleasure,

830
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure I get the information

831
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: back to you. We're gonna put those all those bites

832
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Speaker 1: on Urban someplace where your people will be able to

833
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: get them. And we're gonna go back to an archive

834
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Speaker 1: of the best of Urban Meyer on Urban Meyer Podcast,

835
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Speaker 1: Best Price in Football, let you know where it is. Fantastic, buddy.

836
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thank you, Johnny