1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Lisa Lambinelli is not a licensed therapist or life coach. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: She is a meddling advice giving yana and know it all, 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: and her words come from her head, her heart, and 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: often out of her ass. This podcast should not be 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: misconstrued as therapy. I should be taking with a huge 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: grain of salt for entertainment purposes. Only these. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: You need help, You're the problems. Come on, come down, 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: go lamb take a pill. I think you're insane. Do 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: what I say, dumb ass, listen to me. You fuck 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: all you people. I'm a wounded for Barnick. Yea, Yeah, 11 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Missess is Lisa Labinelli on my and only my show. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: Else counts except Lisa, sweet and lovely Lisa. No, this 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: is Lisa Lappinelli. Welcome to shrink this my talented, lovely 14 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: and very titified hostess. Next scope Leddya's here? Say hi? 15 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: Next Hi? 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: Where's my camera? Where am I? 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: Gay? Find your like? Good angle? So your boobs look 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: bigger than your nose. I love how you get older 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: as an Italian man. And the nose in the ears 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: just explode. 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: Started noticing that. Yeah, it's really upsetting. 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't for us women to mine exploded and about 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: the same age, So don't worry really well, and like me, 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: you'll never get laid Againnyhare. We're also here with Celia 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Celia whatever she invented Copenhagen. Look in the show notes 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: for that reference. We don't have show notes. We don't 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: care because that's like for a real podcast. I feel 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: like our podcast, Shrink This, it's kind of like not real, 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: it's ethereal. And that's why we're talking about something very 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: unreal today, which dawned on me a few months ago 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 2: because the last season of Cobra Kai on Netflix came 32 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: out and I had a deep sadness and I said 33 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: to mine south Lintha, why is this obsession with Cobra 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: Kai in your life? And why do people obsess on 35 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: certain things that are by the way, way too young 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: or old for them. It takes over their life. When 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: does an obsession go from a healthy hobby, if you will, 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: a little happy pastime and becomes a full blown obsession. 39 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: So we are today going to take letters from people, 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: and by the way, if you want to get a 41 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: letter to us, absolutely send it to us at Shrink 42 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: This Show at gmail dot com. That's Shrink This Show 43 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com We're going to take letters from 44 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: people who have obsessions that are bored unhealthy. Now, obviously 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: we're not talking about addiction, but uh, it's like a 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: kind of seemingly harmless things that may get out of control. Now, Nick, 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: when I mentioned this weird the terms weird obsession, what 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: comes up for you? 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: Sopranos. 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: Yes, you literally have a Sopranos like. It's not even 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: like a hobby anymore. It's like you ruin my TikTok 52 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: fun because every time you send me a freakin' video 53 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: from TikTok, it's a Sopranos one. And then my whole 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: algorithm thinks I'm an Italian who like the Sopranos, which 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: I do, but not as much as I am a 56 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: black woman who loves black videos. So I'm just like 57 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: on Nick stoperating my algorithm. And also, you are the 58 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: type who I think every every literally I'm not gonna 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: say every time, it's an exaggeration. Every other time we 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: go to the diner once a week, I'm doing a 61 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: Sopranos rewatch, and I'm like, you've watched no other show 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: in your life? 63 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: No what else? A comfort show? 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Comfort? 65 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: I go back to shows that if I'm like where 66 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: I'm stressed, I will go back to a show that 67 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: I've seen a million times so that I just know 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: what's coming. I don't have to think, I don't have 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: to whatever. 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: So like, what to you would make the so you 71 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: feel your obsession with the Sopranos and you do know 72 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: it by heart, which I think is fantastic. It's really 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: fun to listen to you. When would it, in theory 74 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: become oops, this is really unhealthy. I gotta look at that. 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: I think that's what we need to talk about today. 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: What what tips it over into a Oh? 77 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 3: If I'm having this, I can do this pretty well. 78 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: If I'm having text conversations with people who we're talking 79 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: about situations, I know, an exact Sopranos clip and or 80 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: a thing that yes, is it close to that? Like 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: or like pretty? You know, like something funny? Right? I 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: know exactly? And then I'm like, there's part of me 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: that's like, man, you really are into deep. 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: I mean because the reason I even liked the idea 85 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: of an episode about weird obsession is I was listening 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: to a different podcast and they were talking about Hallmark 87 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Christmas movies and it was all fun in games to hahaha, jokey, jokey. 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: But then the thing that landed with me was these 89 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: some of some of these women who are obsessed with 90 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: these Hallmark movies. It's a way of them literally checking out. 91 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: It's a way of them like not knowing what's going 92 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: on in politics, well, not knowing what's going on in 93 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: their family or in the world. And they are just 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: all of those forty days before Christmas or whatever it is, 95 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: they're just like watching this and buying into this artificial 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: world and kind of like, good for you, white girl 97 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: that you have the privilege of opting out of knowing 98 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: what people are going through. But it seems a little 99 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: like it gets to where it's irresponsible, Like if my 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: Cobrakai watching was like making me not know what's going on, 101 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: not making me really have a life outside that or 102 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: caring about anything, and kind of traveling to like these 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: amecns and things to like stalk Johnny Lawrence. Like, then 104 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: I think it becomes a little ridiculous. But so I 105 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: think that's the line or one of the indications of like, uh, 106 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: maybe you should get out of that bubble and be 107 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: in the real world. 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to though, Yeah, too bad. I 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: was like, when all when politics and things are, I 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: just go watch the West Wing and I'm like, can't, 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: can't Martin Sheen just be our. 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: Presence right And guess what, No, he can't. But this 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: is the thing I always know when my full blown 114 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: over I won't say upsession but over occupation with someone 115 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: is when I have to buy the shirts. So I'm today, 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: but not only I true Cobra Kai fans will realize 117 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: this is a Cobra Kai shirt, but it's so inside 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: baseball that I have to buy the one that only 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: true fans on the street would be. Like Eagle fang Man. 120 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew that first. 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: It's like in season three or something where Johnny Lawrence 122 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: creates this other offshoot of a So I had to 123 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: track down the Eagle fang shirt and I had to 124 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: have five, and I had to help all the colors, 125 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: and I have to have two different sizes depending on 126 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: how I wanted to style it. I have, of course 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: my Johnny Lawrence air freshener in the car, which says 128 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: no mercy and I don't know what it smells like, 129 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: but I hope it's him. I also have said that 130 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: I the way I coach comedy is Johnny Lawrence how 131 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: I just yell at people to be quiet. And just 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: as we started to take this, I literally looked at 133 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: my phone and go, oh my god, I got a 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: Cobra Kai phone case. Like it's so that's when I 135 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: know to like look at it. I think we need 136 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: signs to look at things because I think the first 137 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: obsession I remember recent in recent years was Hamilton. I 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: had for some reason, and again, trust me, I was 139 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: a minor celebrity for three minutes. I somehow got invited 140 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: to the Hamilton premiere, which was the hottest ticket to 141 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: go to opening night. I could not believe it. So 142 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm there. Every celebrity, big, huge stars are there, and 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: of course I see it. I'm totally like, WHOA. This 144 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: resonates with me. It's about you can't control what people 145 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: think of you and your legacy. You know who lives, 146 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: who dies, who tells your story? So I go in 147 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: hard and I have to find you would not believe 148 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: the shirts that I had to buy. It didn't It 149 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: wasn't just Hamilton, it wasn't just Oh. All the thoughts 150 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: that I hadn't been replaced by Hamilton lyrics. It wasn't 151 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: just young, scrappy and hungry. It was so inside, like, hey, 152 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: ask me, I know all the raps from uh Da 153 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: da da and own to. Only those people would get it, 154 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: and they like give you a look on the street, 155 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: like I get you, dude. So I think for me, 156 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: my little indicator is like when I'm that obsessed with 157 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: the merch. Yeah, maybe it's not. Maybe it's just to 158 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: be looked at no judgment. Maybe this is getting in 159 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: the way of my real life. Like if I'm on 160 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: a treadmill and I'm sob bing to George Washington's retirement song, 161 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: maybe I should look at why, Like why what is 162 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: my problem about retirement? 163 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: George Washington had a retirement song. 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: It's so good. It's such a tear jerker, it's really beautiful. 165 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: So I think those things I just got to go. 166 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: All right, Let's make sure I'm also involved with other things. 167 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: Let's make sure I'm not isolating and just being like 168 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: no one understands me but Lynn Manuel Miranda by the way, 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: I want to hear like a funny lin Manroe. This 170 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: is the best. I dated a guy early on who 171 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: said to me, listen you don't have any TV credits yet. 172 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: But if someone comes up to you at a club 173 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: and says you were really great on Comedy Central, say 174 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: thank you because you don't want them to feel stupid 175 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: like you want to go no, I was never on, 176 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: and then they'll feel like an because just say thank you. 177 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: It's fine. You'll get TV credits someday. I did. He 178 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: didn't anyway. No. So I was at the Hamilton Tony 179 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: party Humble Bragg at Tavern on the Green. It's really 180 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: rarefied air. It's really fun. So Lynn and Moreel Lynn, Manuel, 181 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: Miranda and the outher writer come in to the party 182 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: after they win every Tony that night, and I'm like, 183 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: I just have to get up the nerve to say 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: hi and just say how much to show means to 185 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: me without crying like that kind of thing. I go 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: up to him and I go, hey, Lenn. He goes, 187 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: oh my god, Lisa, we love you. You're so funny. 188 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: Remember that time you roasted us. You really kicked our ass, 189 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: didn't she? Tommy, He says to the director. I had 190 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: never met him before, I had certainly not roasted him before. 191 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: I'd never done a joke about him. But I went 192 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: with it. I go, I know, right, just you gotta 193 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: run with it. So I was like wow. Then it 194 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: became really obsessed with it because I'm like, well, me 195 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: and Lynn are truly friends. I'm like, who the fuck 196 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: roasted him? By the way, who do you think he 197 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: might have got me? Mistaken by Kathy Griffin? 198 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: Maybe Kathy Griffin. 199 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: In the ground, I think, yeah, funny, maybe it it 200 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: was from the grave. But I was like, just run 201 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: with it. So it's funny. How like if I look 202 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: at it, it's like my obsession with Hamilton sort of 203 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: started coming down, and then the Cobra Kai THNK car 204 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: started coming up, and I like to even think, like, 205 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: why do these obsessions take hold of us? So with 206 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: Cobra Kai, it was I mean, with Hamilton, it was 207 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: definitely the retirement thing. George Washington leaving his legacy and 208 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: I was retiring at the time. Makes sense. Cobra Kai, 209 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: it's definitely a nostalgia for the years that The Karate 210 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: Kid first came out. Johnny Lawrence was always just the funniest, 211 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: greatest character. But it's the first episode of Cobra Kai 212 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: is his redemption story. It's this guy who's misunderstood and 213 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: down on his luck and making a comeback. So I'm like, 214 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: I identify with Johnny Lawrence. I have to do something 215 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: with my life after retirement, and I'm just like obsessed 216 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: with this guy's story. So is it unhealthy A little? First? 217 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: I mean it's almost just the age is inappropriate, like 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: sixty three and still into that, like, come on, kids 219 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: are fighting each other in a school yard, like is that? 220 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: I think it's great. You did forget to mention your 221 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: text notification you're your ring? 222 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: Oh shit, Oh my god, Yeah, it's Johnny Lawrence. Whenever 223 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: I get a text it goes quiet my Netflix little emoji, 224 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Like when you go on Netflix, it says your picture, 225 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: then kids, and then other people who are loved by you. 226 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: I have none, so I have just in said the 227 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: kid's picture. A picture of a dog comes up, so 228 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: the dogs have their own playlist, and then of course 229 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: whose picture is me? Johnny Lawrence? So I think I 230 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: overidentify with a character. But it doesn't like carry on 231 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: as much to my real life. I'm not. I will 232 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: yell it straight guys a lot. Quiet it me too, 233 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: and my comedy students. But I don't think on the 234 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: street I'm like as volatile. I mean, I hope no. 235 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: I yellustraight guys when they won't kiss me back. 236 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. 237 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: It is right now? 238 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: When do you think so? You would say, like, my 239 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: little weird obsessions, despite age, inappropriateness or whatever, are not 240 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: unhealthy to the point of neglecting other things. Have you 241 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: ever had an obsession that like drove you insane, that 242 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 2: like got to weigh onhealthy proportions? 243 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: Bold? Yes, I mean you can't tell now you sure can. 244 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: The camera adds forty five pounds. 245 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: Five cameras are pointed at your. 246 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: Truly you think about it right? 247 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Back me up? 248 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: Yah, it's cameras. 249 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 2: Twenty seven make him feel good about. 250 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: Them later in real life. 251 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: You're beautiful the way you are girl. You're thick with 252 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: three c's. 253 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: Was it okay to teach me those things building? I 254 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 3: used to compete in bodybuilding, and that's it's you neglect everything, food, 255 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: going out, social exp Wow. I was lucky enough though 256 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 3: that like I say lucky, but I had friends that 257 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: like understood it and guys that were athletes, so they 258 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: were like, we'll chill with you. Like it wasn't completely 259 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: but for me. It was the extremes of the body 260 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: stuff like gaining a bunch of weight to bulk up, 261 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: so like I could tell you right now again, I 262 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: went up to two fifteen, and then I lost. 263 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Hold on Celia's very rude see her ringtone. If it 264 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: was Johnny Lawrence yelling quiet, we would have laughed. Is 265 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: fine now she's just never Oh I'm glad it could 266 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: be our podcast. Oh I'm glad you don't let that happen. 267 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: Durio really important? Why I hate her? Text Elvis tex 268 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: my uncle, Yes, exactly. 269 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: No. 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: But I went from like two hundred and fifteen pounds 271 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: to one hundred and seventy something pounds in like a 272 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: two month peer. Wow, lost all the weight, got on stage, 273 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: did well whatever, took a diuretic on top of it, 274 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: like a psychopath that week. So I remember that show 275 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: was on a Sunday, I think it was March tenth. 276 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: A week later, I was in New York City for 277 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: Saint Patty's Day and on stage I was like one 278 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: seventy eight in New York City that Saturday or Sunday 279 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: for Saint Patty's Day, I was two zero five. Wow, 280 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: I had like pregnant woman ankles. It was I was 281 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: blowning in my stomach was killing me, and I couldn't 282 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: stop eating. Like I literally was like white Castle this 283 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: sure sure didn't even drink. And that's when I got 284 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: to the point of like all good exercising and being healthy, 285 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: but like bodybuilding is not that, Like I regret yeah, 286 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: looking back, like I don't regret it, but at the 287 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: same time, I'm like, man, I really, for lack of 288 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: a better term, I fucked my shit up. 289 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, real bad. Well, you're you know every time, you know, 290 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: with diet culture too, even in a smaller sense, for 291 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: every restriction, there's going to be a binge. That's why 292 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: yo yoing exists. That's why diets work. And it's like, oh, okay, 293 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: so with bodybuilding, you had that other shit, and would 294 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: you like not would you be very regimented, and like 295 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: I can eat this amount at this time? This amount? 296 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. I knew every day it was the 297 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: same thing. It was six eggs in the morning, and 298 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: then three hours later it was a protein shake, and 299 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: then three hours later it was chicken with rice and 300 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: like a salad, and then three hours later it was 301 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: another protein shake, and then three hours after that was 302 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: steak and something else. 303 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: It's almost like though, like you you joke out your 304 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: weight a lot now and it's funny, but like you're 305 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: not that big. What I think it is, I'd rather chubby, 306 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: non weird obsessed Nick than that guy, because that guy 307 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't probably have liked it all. 308 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: No, Yeah, there's a middle ground too, Like when you 309 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: met me even at my you know, I was I 310 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: was lighter than this, but like that was a healthy 311 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: middle ground where I was like, I'm not gonna be like, no, 312 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: I can't have it. Wasn't that guy like that. I 313 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: it righted itself. I want to too far this past 314 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: couple of years, but now we're coming back to a 315 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: middle point where it's. 316 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think everything is like noticing when it 317 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: tips to the wrong side. I say, if I'm binging 318 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: a show like a Cobra Kai or oh yeah, I'll 319 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: tell you how I got it, sort of a little 320 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: hint that I think it's maybe I'm a little unhealthy 321 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: with this is because clearly take or leave the show. 322 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: There's funny moments, it's cute, it's nostalgic, it's there's little 323 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: tearful moments when it's like about you know, their high 324 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: school moments and things. But I remember I have a friend, 325 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: one of my best friends. Her boyfriend is a very 326 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: elite well he's an acting teacher at a very elite school, 327 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: so he's no joke. I remember he said to me 328 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: once we're talking about Cobra Kai and he goes, oh, 329 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: he goes, it's so much fun to watch. He goes, boy, 330 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: that guy, boy, that guy Zabka can't act, and that's 331 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 2: like Johnny Lawrence and I go, hey man, no, I 332 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: literally it was like it was like I was his protector. 333 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: I go, hey man, don't make me hate you. So 334 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: whenever I have a don't make me hate you as 335 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: my first response, I go, oh, let me look at 336 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: like why I would hate him because I go his opinion, Look, 337 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: is William Zabka the best actor in the world. Definitely not. 338 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: He's not the worst either. There he also has an 339 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: Oscar nomination for a film he did like, so like, 340 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: there's no way he's horrible. Yes, And this acting teacher 341 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: friend of mine, we both admit that we have to 342 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: be the smartest people in the room, that we think 343 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: we have the best taste, So we kind of joke 344 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: about it now. So I said to him, I said, 345 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: remember the time I almost hated you because you hated 346 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Johnny Lawrence And he goes, no, he goes, I feel bad. 347 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: And so for Christmas this year he got me a 348 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: Johnny Lawrence wind up Donald that you pull his back 349 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: and he says quiet. So I'm like, okay, so we 350 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: solved our little problem. But like when I get really defensive, 351 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: like there's some shows that I'm obsessed with that I 352 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: won't even tell my friends, I like, because if they 353 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: don't like them. I got in the friendship. That's extreme 354 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: and that's maybe a different episode about my being an 355 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: opinionated bit who thinks say no it all. But that's 356 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: like for another day. Yes, So when we come back, 357 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: we're going, well, actually, wait, I want to say. One 358 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: other thing there's certain was that she's leaving and with 359 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: her fucking she'll be on the phone. Yeah, she's obsessed 360 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: with her phone. Maybe she'll look into that. There are 361 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: certain deal breakers though, because I remember when I was 362 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: dating I really and I kind of stand by this, 363 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: like there's certain things and this isn't political or anything. 364 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: There's obviously deal Burger's there. There's certain things entertainment wise, 365 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: I will not date someone if we disagree. If someone 366 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: doesn't love Howard Stern and see how he's grown and 367 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: he's like the best interviewer on the planet. Now, I 368 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: can't date you because that means you have bad tastes 369 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know how to even say it. 370 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: You're just dumb, like you just don't. 371 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just don't. Anyway. There's lots of other reasons, 372 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: but like so Howard was always like a deal breaker 373 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: to be like, if you don't get it, Like I 374 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: remember years ago when online dating started, like it wasn't 375 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: even a phone. We didn't have phones, we had rotary phones, 376 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: but there was like online, and I had in my 377 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: bio like must love Howard Stern, And I just think 378 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: there's certain things that are a part of my life 379 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: that you have to get and if you don't like 380 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: that's that. If you don't love dogs, I would argue, 381 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. And this is so judgy because I know 382 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: some listeners are gonna hate this. I'm obsessed with rescue dogs. 383 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: I have a real snobby attitude towards people who buy 384 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: a dog, and people are like, yeah, but well, I'm 385 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: gonna have to hate you now. I think some of 386 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: my obsessions are okay if they're rooted in real heart 387 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: and what I think is the greater good. I don't know. Also, 388 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: you're I'm really judgy, you're weirdly not as judgy as 389 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: I am. 390 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: It depends I can go, I could go. I'm either 391 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: I don't care whatever. Yeah, I'm like, fuck this motherfucker right. 392 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: There's no middle with me. It just depends. I would 393 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: have to think. I don't know what I mean. A 394 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: few weeks ago, there was a guy I told you 395 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: about this who was on FaceTime with his kid in public, 396 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: like being like, so what do you want to eat? 397 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: Bud and at our food place publicly that I judge 398 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: like that will send me through the roof. 399 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, But would you ever have something that in your life? 400 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: I don't care how good the puss it was, that 401 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: push it be good, that puts it be nice, pus 402 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: it Is there anything that you really like in your life, 403 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: like the Gem, like those sopranos, like whatever you're really 404 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: into that If a girl said, em, I don't like that, 405 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: I don't like Will Ferrell, I don't like stepbrother, would 406 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: it would there be anything where you'd just be like, 407 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't I hate. 408 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: You now, not off the top of my head, to 409 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: be honest. 410 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 2: So girl could say she hates the Sopranos and doesn't 411 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: see it's about. 412 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: She hates the Sopranos, I'd be like, well, you're wrong. 413 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 3: That's fine, Like, you're absolutely wrong, right, I understand it's 414 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: not because you don't have a brain. 415 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: It's not for you. 416 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, go watch the Real Housewives, bitch. 417 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. Could a girl ever be seen 418 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: with me? A reality show would be a deal breaker. 419 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: I would be like, no, you're not allowed, like opt 420 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: out of the real world and watch that ship and 421 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: all it is is gossip, and that means you like gossip. 422 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: So you're a fucking idiot. So I'm clearly judge. Yeah, 423 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: And so I can't date someone like that. Thank god. 424 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to date because there's no guy out 425 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: there who would like everything I like. I want just 426 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: like a Harbon copy of me. Wouldn't that be great? 427 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: I think everyone just like me. Yes, with all my obsessions. 428 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: We just watched Cobra Kai. We'd listen to the Hamilton 429 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: soundtrack and cry yeah, and we'd meet lin Man, Wuel 430 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: Miranda and you'd accuse us of roasting him again? Now 431 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: should I? It is this thing on should we? Celia 432 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: is fire? Right, Celia push that button? Bitches? 433 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: I am fired that I can leave. 434 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I think someone's obsessed with being me. That's okay. 435 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: I've always said she has an undercurrent of hatred. Yeah, 436 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: what you what with aggression love? 437 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 3: I don't know. 438 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: The love part is perfectly skipped. I just said to 439 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: the aggression. 440 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: Aggression just like, if I really like you, then I'm 441 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: kind of sarcastic and mean? 442 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: Can you go back to not liking us? Just like? 443 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: Really? 444 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: N No, I actually agree with you on that because 445 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: I if I don't like somebody, I can't be joking 446 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: with them because I feel like I'm going to mean it, 447 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: like at roasts and things like that. I would always 448 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: if there was one person who I truly disrespected and hated, 449 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: I go no jokes about them because people sense it. 450 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take it that you actually like us 451 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: because you're a mean cunt exactly. She's obsessed why it's unhealthy? 452 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: All right? So, Nick, we have some questions from people 453 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: about their possibly weird obsession. Let's hear them girl. 454 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: All right? Our first letter says, Dear Lisa, You'll see 455 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 3: why I'm doing the voice at the end. Okay, my 456 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: kitchen fiestaware. 457 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: Oh god, shut the fuck up. That is not wear letter, 458 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: I swear. Okay, I'll explain to me what that is. Okay, 459 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: please please. 460 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: So I have every solid color of plates and balls 461 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: in my cabin so when they open it, it looks 462 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: like one giant. 463 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: Oh girl in high school. 464 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: My roommate hates it so much and says the kitchen 465 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: looks like a five year old's bedroom. She wants normal 466 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 3: dishes and is embarrassed, especially when her friends come over. 467 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: Is it really that big of a deal? Thanks, Amy 468 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 3: from New York, New York. 469 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god. First of all, you're doing a gay 470 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: man's voice because I actually have a friend, Frank, and 471 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to use his full name because he's proud 472 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: of this. Frank DeCaro in Los Angeles. He has a 473 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: fiesta wor a collection and it drives his husband, Jim Kaluotch, 474 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 2: famous as author of The Golden Girls the Real Biography, 475 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: Oh wow, and knows that Bee was not mean. She 476 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: just played me anyway. He Jim is like, oh my god, 477 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: we have enough fucking fiesta Ware. I know people who 478 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: collect corning wear. Do you know what that is? It's 479 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: the white with the little blue flower. There's just like 480 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: all these things that people want to collect. Collections are 481 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: weird because I'm like, if you have a big house, great, 482 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: you do whatever you want. And I'm not into this 483 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: whole thing. Oh well, you know, suppose if the Nietern 484 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: nephew is like, well, what do we do with all 485 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: this stuff when he dies, well fucking sell it and 486 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: make some money. Don't worry, bitch, and no one's leaving 487 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: anything to you. Okay, So this he it sounds like 488 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: he has a little bit of a healthy aspect of it. 489 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: Also she wait, sorry, I'm still thinking it's a gay man. 490 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: Frank wait sol. 491 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: Because when I read fiesta were I thought of my 492 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: grandmother from Queens. 493 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude. 494 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: We are Italian and Polish, mostly Italian, and she would 495 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: decorate for like Saint Patti's Day and she had a veste. 496 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: No, you're thinking different. She doesn't mean. 497 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 3: That saying that word. 498 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: Yes, So, Fiestaware is an actual brand. I think it's 499 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: from the sixties or something, and it's very colorful, rainbow 500 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: colored in all these different really bright ues of it's beautiful, okay, 501 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: But the thing is like I don't get like and 502 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: I don't have to get everyone's collection, Like I don't 503 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: get people who have fun copomp collection. Although I must 504 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: admit I do have a Johnny lawnche one I also, 505 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: but I also have a Ronnie James di O one didn't, 506 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: So I mean, uh I I don't get collections because collections, 507 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: to me, is something where you think you're gonna get 508 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: quote unquote get the mall and feel fulfilled. But there's 509 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: no way, even if it was possible to get the mall, 510 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: which say there is, but there actually is in a 511 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: way to get all of it. If you had every 512 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: single bowl in every single color and all the plates 513 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: and everything was perfect, I don't think you feel whole 514 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: as a human being. So I think it's attaching. Oh 515 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel great once I have this in every color, 516 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 2: So that would be the unhealthy part. I think if 517 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, oh my god, I went to 518 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: like we go on the weekends to get like flea 519 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: markets fines and we bought a little plate here and 520 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: it's we have like twenty Just when it becomes like 521 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: where your house is exploding and looks terrible and looks hoarding, 522 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: or it's your roommate's really pissed off. Her argument? What 523 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: was her argument? The roommate's argument is that it looks 524 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: like something. Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 525 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: Who hasn't Nick you wanted to be in a five 526 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: year old boys bedroom. 527 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: And make it a woman. 528 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, So I think he'll know when it's unhealthy. 529 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: But people, if you're thinking about collecting anything, realize you'll 530 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: never have it all. It'll never be enough, and you'll 531 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: always hate yourself. If you hate yourself without all the shoes, 532 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: you're gonna hate your You're gonna have a bit. You're 533 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: gonna bitch with sore feet who still hates themselves. So 534 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: work on that internal stuff. That's what I'm saying. 535 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 3: Next letter, Next letter, Dear Lisa, I'm thirty four years 536 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: old and I spent at least an hour a day 537 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: on TikTok watching get Ready with Me video, Oh watch 538 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: one and that I can't stop. I know it's stupid, 539 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 3: but there's so much fun. Do you think this is okay? 540 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: Or am I wasting my life? Thanks Stephanie. 541 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Stephanie. Wait, so thirty four? How long does she spend? 542 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: What does it say? 543 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: An hour a day? 544 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: Okay, con Celia as the young millennial ish, whatever the 545 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: fuck this brought is, explain to me concisely and not 546 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: in your overly lengthy way of sharing. Can you only heart? 547 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: We only make fun of the ones we love? No, 548 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: can you tell me really what a get ready with 549 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: me is? In a nutshell? 550 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: Basically, it's somebody setting up their phone and filming themselves 551 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 4: getting ready to like go out or do something. 552 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: So does it make a up and skincare. 553 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 4: Skincare, getting dressed, adding their accessories and then like they're 554 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 4: like okay bye? 555 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: Do they then? So the point isn't to show you 556 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: the outfit. It's not. It's not that the point is 557 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: listen to me while I'm getting ready. But it's not 558 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: like and I've styled my they're not all stylists. 559 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of factors to this. There can 560 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 4: be a silent get ready with me, which is. 561 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: Like THEE I'm so happy. 562 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you get ready with me? 563 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: Either you're not talking and we just hear what you're doing, 564 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: which is like can be like as Mr O that's 565 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: another thing. 566 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: I hate that ASMR ahead. 567 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 4: There's another silent get ready with me where you can 568 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: put music over it, and so you just don't hear anything, 569 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: like they don't talk. 570 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: Well, could I just ask? No, no judge, no judgment. 571 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: But like, so these broads on the internet, I think 572 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 2: they're interesting enough looking that we want to watch them. 573 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: Get ready and there's an are there un get ready 574 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: with me? As well? People do that, there's an un 575 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: get ready with me? 576 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: So they take off their shit. 577 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: I'm getting ready for bed. 578 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: I remember once after a premiere of a of a 579 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: movie premiere, I was so this is when I was, 580 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: I would say, in a bigger body, as they say 581 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: these days, I in a diner did an unready with 582 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: me without knowing it. My fucking corset popped right the 583 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: fuck off. I decided to commit to it, pulled out 584 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: the extensions right at the table, took off the nails, 585 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: took off the fucking eyelashes, and I was like, here 586 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: we go. So that's my fucking nun get ready with me? 587 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 3: Hot? 588 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: But see, yeah, I could. I So it's not unhealthy, 589 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: it's just weird. Like why I don't understand watching someone 590 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: get ready? I watch a lot of stylists because I 591 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: want to like put outfits together and it's quick. They're 592 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: just like I do this this, this boom here, and 593 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: you take a screenshot and you know what you're gonna 594 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: put together. But watching some broad I don't know get 595 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: ready is really I don't get it. I wonder what 596 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: she is getting out of it? Like does she say 597 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: she has nowhere in that letter? She just says there self? Fun? 598 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: They're probably fun. Plus some of these influencers correct me 599 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. A little millennial to my left here, Yeah, 600 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: they probably go on live and do it and people 601 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: watch them and they make money off. 602 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: Of it, right right, that's what they get out of it. 603 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 2: What does the watcher get out of it? 604 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: Cell Ya, I unfortunately spend more time than little Stephanie 605 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 4: here watching Ready with me? Get Ready with me? 606 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? 607 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 4: To me, it's just like really satisfying. 608 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: I think wait, wait, say different word than satisfying. What 609 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: is the feeling. 610 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: Satisfying? 611 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: That's not a feeling like I mean. 612 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 4: Like I get I think maybe I'm motivated to get 613 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 4: up and get ready. 614 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: So you need how about I just call you on 615 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 2: the phone and say get up, cunt? Like see. I 616 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: think have always said, Johnny Lawrence, go just scream in 617 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: your ear that I think we could combine our sessions 618 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: and this would all work out. 619 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 4: My hatch doesn't even work like those videos. 620 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: That sounds dirty. My hatch doesn't watch tell us about 621 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: your snatch. Oh that hatch alarm waste a fucking time. 622 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: Let's not talk about that. The hatch, the obsession with 623 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: products that are trendy and influencers talk about this ridiculous 624 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: ship that you don't need literally will never need. 625 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 3: I need as when I get ready, I know, but. 626 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: I get that. But if you're staring at another girl, 627 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: how are you getting ready? 628 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm getting hard. 629 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: Okay, get it up for you. Okay, I don't like it. 630 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: Just because I don't like it and understand it doesn't 631 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: mean it's not valid. If this is not getting in 632 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: the celia, you're obviously a extreme case and need mental 633 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: health case. But I don't know what that means. The 634 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: lip gloss yet you're sitting there with nothing on her 635 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: fucking lips. Yeah, you know, are we on a podcast 636 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: that has visuals? Maybe bring your a game, moon Boot 637 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: listen to the other episode. You'll understand no, but long 638 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: is the one with just an hour a day, if 639 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: it's not like making her late for work, if it's 640 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: not making her neglect herself and not put her own 641 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: face and makeup. Gun, Cause girls, I'm sick you'll leave 642 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 2: in the house without makeup and thinking it look cute 643 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: cause you never do get it together together, bitch as 644 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: we're not pretty naturally, And I love the whole like 645 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: trope of like, why don't men wear makeup? Oh, because 646 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 2: no one ever told them they look bad without it. Yeah, well, 647 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: guess what it's called reality. It's called misogyny. That's the 648 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: world we live in. Look pretty? 649 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 3: Fuck yeah the patriarchy dog yeah? 650 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: Oh boy? All right, next letter, so watch your damn 651 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: get ready, but also you get ready to bitch? 652 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, get ready? All right? This next one's long. Oh no, okay, 653 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: it starts off LEAs. 654 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: Finally someone mentions me in a letter. I thought people 655 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: dropped the ball. 656 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 3: I am so excited to be writing to you. 657 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 2: Well should be. 658 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 3: I'm excited about writing, but not what I'm writing about. 659 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: Oh boy, my name is Craig. I'm thirty six years old. 660 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 3: I even Athens, Georgia with my girlfriend to make a 661 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 3: long story short. I focused on getting into law school 662 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: after college graduation, went to law school, but then I 663 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: lied about graduating in my process with the bar because 664 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: I was embarrassed about how behind I was. In the 665 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: past couple of years, I found myself loving gardening, flipping houses, 666 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: and sewing. Nope, I have I try to show my 667 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: girlfriend that I'm serious about this by making her thoughtful gifts. Oh, 668 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 3: I can't even finish this obsession is cat, You're a 669 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: secret gay. I also redid our backyard. Oh wait, holds 670 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 3: I like that thoughtful gifts like an embroidered pillow with 671 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: your cat on it. 672 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: I can't. Nope, nope, nope, nope nope. 673 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: Also redid our backyard the exact way she wanted. But 674 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: every single day she makes fun of me of being 675 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: obsessed with sewing. It feels shameful that I am not 676 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: sure if it's because it's sewing isn't manly, or because 677 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: I'm doing it too much. Sorry, this is long. 678 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 679 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: He says the guys he meets on grind. 680 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh man, I think we're glossing over the 681 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: most important part of this letter, not that sewing is 682 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 2: a feminine thing, which it shouldn't be. I think that's fine. 683 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: I full disclosure. A lot of Italian men in the 684 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: old days would learn tailoring and then pass it on 685 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 2: in their family. My father could tailor anything. Oh my god, 686 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 2: all you've seen my house, all the curtains my father made. 687 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: My father actually though he had made those because he yeah, 688 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: because he learned from his Italian uncle. But here's the 689 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: thing with my father too, he had like shame around it, 690 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 2: and where I didn't think he should like. I remember 691 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: once he made me and my sister like dresses for 692 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: something fancy, and he goes, don't tell anyone I made 693 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: them because back then, I mean he's talking about the sixties, 694 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: people would have been like home o. You know. So 695 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: I don't much care about this guy liking sewing. I 696 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: think it's great. Gardening I think is great. Also, I think, 697 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you ready did the bitch's backyard. Let her 698 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: calm down. I mean a lot of women would be thrilled. 699 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 2: And by redoing her backyard, he meant he shaved her ass. 700 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. But I think that's really like 701 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: the hobbies themselves. I don't mind. I mind two things, 702 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 2: and I feel bad for him that he lied about 703 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: the law school thing, and he's carrying that around because 704 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: I if I lie about something, I cannot shake it 705 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: for a minute, Like you'll try to shake it for 706 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 2: a day, and it sneaks back in at night, like 707 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 2: you have a secret shame that you have to tell someone, 708 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: And you know in AA and all those programs, it's 709 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: like you're only as sick as your secrets. He must 710 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 2: feel sick all the time about that, And it sounds 711 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: like he's channeling that shame and energy into this other stuff. 712 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 2: And while those other hobbies clearly aren't her anything, what's 713 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: probably digging at him is that lie. 714 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 3: That would bother me too. Did he finish law school 715 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: or none? 716 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 2: We lied that he didn't finish it. That's like so sad. 717 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 3: What's going on with. 718 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's give his full name, so we 719 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: out him, Craig. Poor thing didn't pass the bar? Like 720 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: it just like and those are things too. I didn't 721 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 2: finish grad school. I have no shame about that. But 722 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: if if you have shame about not finishing something because 723 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 2: society puts more pressure on men to finish the degree, 724 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: or your parents really wanted you to be a lawyer, 725 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: but you didn't like, I could see where that would 726 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: weigh this poor guy down. I will say, though, the 727 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: other red flag is pillow cat because I have a 728 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: friend who's a great knitter. My friend Bonnie is a 729 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: really great she's actually an artist. All these half ass 730 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: knitting bitches who try to give me a gift, it's 731 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: not good, it doesn't come out well. But with her, 732 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: I said, Bonnie, you're the only one who who has 733 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 2: permission to do this for me. And she made me 734 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: a pillow with flowers on it. And it's like, yeah, 735 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: because I'm a girl and she's a girl, and oh no, 736 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 2: oh well, this was so funny. It was supposed to okay, 737 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 2: it was supposed to look like all vines and stuff. 738 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: And she showed and with flowers. She showed it to 739 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: her daughter first and she's like, mom, the way you 740 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: did the vines, it looks like a swastika. And she 741 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: ripped it all out and she did it again. And 742 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: Bonnie's Asian. She knows I'm really not into Hitler. She knows, yeah, 743 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: come on, that's not one of my guys. She did 744 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 2: it over. It's beautiful, But so even that I let go. 745 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. He doesn't sound like he's 746 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 2: giving her what she wants as a gift, though. No. 747 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 2: I think like if she said, oh my god, I 748 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: would love a pillow with my cat on it, then 749 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 2: she probably wouldn't make fun of you. So maybe look 750 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: at what your not even though there's nothing to do 751 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,479 Speaker 2: with the subject. Look at what she might be giving 752 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: you hints that she does want. Yeah, you know, well 753 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 2: not everything's about that. I was never comfortable with the oral. 754 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: It was too distracting. I don't discand too much is 755 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 2: going on. God forbid, we's sixty nine. There's a parents 756 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 2: down there. What's going on? Anyway? I say, come out 757 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 2: of the closet about your not finishing law school, because 758 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: it's got to be a huge burden to you. If 759 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 2: someone breaks up to you, breaks up with you because 760 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: of that, then they're not the right person. And I 761 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: think then your energies will be channeled a little more 762 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: evenly across the board. God, these people are exhausting, Nick. 763 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 2: Do you have any easy ones? 764 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 3: Crazy man? Listen, Craig. If it doesn't work out, I'm single. 765 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 2: Go to the next letter. Stop pitching dating. 766 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 3: I love pillows. 767 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah you have too, writ just big kittd bitch. 768 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 3: All right, last letter here, Dear Lisa. Two weeks ago, 769 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 3: my friend introduced me to FanDuel, and now I'm booked 770 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 3: for all you. Yeah, there's a lot of gay men 771 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 3: and women that listen to this. FanDuel is a sports 772 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 3: betting website. 773 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that makes it a lot. 774 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 3: Every want to know? 775 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 2: Thank you? 776 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 3: I know this shit. I bet on games every single night, 777 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 3: doesn't even matter what sport. I win some, I lose some, 778 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 3: but I'm not betting enough money to make it an issue. 779 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,479 Speaker 3: My girlfriend, of course, hates it because I'm always checking 780 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 3: my phone for scores to be It's no different than 781 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 3: her checking Instagram. Do you see a problem with my 782 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 3: new hobby brad and Tampa. 783 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 2: Florida, Tampa home of Hitler. Just kidding, I just have 784 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 2: to have two of those references. Yeah, okay, this got 785 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 2: two levels, Steward. Have you ever met a guy who 786 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: bets a lot of money or bets and does not 787 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 2: eventually become obsessed with it? Have you ever met anyone. 788 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 3: Most of my friends bet. I'm the only person who's like, 789 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: no way. 790 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 2: So do you you can answer this? Are is one 791 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 2: able to bet? The way? This guy is saying without 792 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: becoming obsessed and in debt where he doesn't have the 793 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 2: gene that will make him be like going to gamblers anonymous, 794 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: I don't. 795 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 3: Know how much money he makes. I mean a lot 796 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 3: of the guys I know that do gamble, like they 797 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,959 Speaker 3: make a lot of money, so like if they lost 798 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 3: two grand on a game, it's not gonna they can't 799 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 3: not pay the rent or the mortgage that one. 800 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 2: No, it sounds like this guy's just sort of like, hey, 801 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 2: I make a hundred here, lose a hundred. It's all 802 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: So it sounds like a hobby at this point. 803 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 3: Definitely could get obsessive though, Like I've seen the most 804 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: you know, straight and narrowed type guys will get into 805 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 3: betting one of my friends who you know well, and 806 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 3: he'll be like, he'll get it. Gets his juices flowing 807 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 3: for sure. 808 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Which I don't think there's wrong with a hobby 809 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 2: getting your juices flowing, because I think that's what a 810 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 2: hobby's supposed to do. Either that or it's supposed to 811 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 2: calm you down. Like I like the hobbies that calm 812 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 2: you down, like intuitive paint, which I just discovered, which 813 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 2: is a way of meditating, just painting badly with music. 814 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 2: We don't cry, we don't even have time to think. 815 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 2: It's like meditative. So I mean a hobby that colms 816 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: younown sounds nice to me, but other people like exciting things, 817 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 2: So it sounds like if it's really where he's telling 818 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 2: the truth and he's not losing huge amounts of money, fine, 819 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 2: because I don't think we all take one drink and 820 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 2: become an alcoholic or all bet a few times and 821 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 2: become a gambling addict. I think it's a certain mental makeup. 822 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 2: The thing is, though, what I hate about both him 823 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 2: and his girlfriend these phones. I forbade a friend of 824 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 2: mine to wear their Apple Watch ever around me because 825 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 2: I just go, look, man, it's just gonna spoil our friendship, 826 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 2: is it. I would I would prefer when we hang 827 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: out that you leave it at home. Ends up, He 828 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 2: returned it because I'm that fucking important. So he was like, 829 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't even need it, Like I'm so obsessed with 830 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 2: my phone. That's bad enough. So it's just the comparing 831 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 2: with Instagram, Like they both suck you and your girlfriend 832 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 2: both suck as people, Yeah, Tampa, Yeah, so suck on 833 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 2: Hitler's cop so I would say, maybe both of you 834 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 2: look at this phone stuff, because I'm not the big 835 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 2: fan of the phone thing, and I don't think it's 836 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 2: just my age. I think it's just like, I don't know, 837 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 2: can anybody be present? That would be great. 838 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I know. For me, it's like, I 839 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: don't need another reason to look at my phone. There's 840 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 3: enough reason. So if this is adding to, like, if 841 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: the FanDuel is adding to the Instagram stuff you already 842 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 3: do and the TikTok stuff you already do, then maybe, yeah, 843 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 3: take a look at it. 844 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 2: It's gonna be like a cumulative whole bunch of like 845 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 2: is your life all on a screen? And it is 846 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 2: not like some like oh oh boomers they don't like phones. 847 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 2: I love TikTok. I just literally I never went on 848 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 2: TikTok until like four months ago. Ever, yeah, and I'm like, 849 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 2: this is cool. You get access to information you wouldn't 850 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 2: have and thank god, even when they wanted to delete it, 851 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 2: mine didn't go away. And I was like, oh, so 852 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 2: it's not bad. It's just like, why are you checking 853 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 2: these things so much? So maybe the obsession and weird 854 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 2: obsession isn't a weird one. It's that everybody seems to 855 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 2: have it lately. 856 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 3: Right, It's it's super entertaining, and it's also social to 857 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 3: a certain degree. Like I know my buddy and his 858 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 3: brothers I was talking about earlier. They all bet together 859 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 3: and they're like, do you put money on the game. 860 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 3: I went to a baseball game with them and they 861 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 3: were on the train and his brother was like, add 862 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 3: more to your bet and he's like all right, and 863 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 3: they're like. It's a social just like sending tiktoks to 864 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 3: people is a social thing. 865 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, reaching out right. 866 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 3: They're friends from college and we do talk through text, 867 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 3: but like there's some guys E've ben talking six months 868 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 3: or just sending each other as sopranos things back and 869 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 3: forth and memes and gifts and all this shit. 870 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 2: It is a way of connection. Which that's no problem. 871 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: I think, you know when it comes too much. But 872 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 2: if him and his girlfriend are sitting at the dinner 873 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: table and she's on her phone looking at Instagram and 874 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 2: he's looking at FANDLE, I say, this is a shit couple. YEA, 875 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 2: So I stick by my advice. Suck Hitler's cock. We 876 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 2: usually do. Like a third segment called Lisa's weekly fuck up. 877 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 2: But guess what. I was searching my head going, I 878 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 2: didn't fuck up this week. I honestly don't think I 879 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 2: did anything wrong and good thing because Selia informed me, Oh, 880 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 2: we're already at time, so I'm like, bitch, I say, 881 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 2: what time it is? You? Don't you love Hitler? Fuck? 882 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,479 Speaker 2: So there's no fuck up for me this week. It's 883 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 2: just me and Nick Scobel Eddy saying, guess what if 884 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 2: you have a question for us, email us at Shrink 885 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 2: This Show at gmail dot com. That's Shrink This Show 886 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com, and we try to get to 887 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 2: your letter, even if it is about Fiesta ware, which is, 888 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 2: by the way. 889 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 3: Pretty good. I'm perfect. I never fucked up in thirty 890 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 3: six years of life. 891 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 2: That's that's not true. It is you have many fuck 892 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 2: ups this week. We'll talk when we get off the air. 893 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: Now read the disclaimer at the app. Seriously, thank you 894 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: for listening to Shrink This with Lisa Lambinelli. You can 895 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at Lisa Lampanellie and. 896 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 3: And thanks for listening. 897 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 2: No, that's your first fuck up of the century. 898 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 3: Make sure to listen to Shrink This on your iHeart 899 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 3: radio app or wherever you get your podcast. 900 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I always kind of goof on 901 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 2: that a little because we always kind of say it wrong. 902 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 2: I got the iHeartRadio app, and I said, this is good. 903 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 2: So I do not feel I don't stand behind this. 904 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 2: I fully stand behind this, right, Get your fucking iHeart 905 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 2: Radio app, get your head, your ass, and quiet. See 906 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 2: you next week or whenever. I don't know how often 907 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 2: do we post. I don't care about it.