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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of pump

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Speaker 1: Trend Zeit Lotgeist. We hadn't done that before, Shawnny Pawnee.

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Speaker 1: Shawnny Pawnee, you've outdone yourself. Shawny Poney on the discord,

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Speaker 1: he actually had Pumpkin Zeit Lotgeist, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: why not turn Pumpkin into pump Trend, And that's how

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Speaker 1: we ended up at I think one of the best

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Speaker 1: short show titles we've ever had. My name is Jack O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and that over there, well that is super producer Brian Jeffrey.

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Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody coming all the way from Mexico?

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Speaker 1: New number one importer exporter with the United States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, taken over for China.

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Speaker 1: Also, like knew everybody wants to go there now because

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Speaker 1: you have more progressive abortion laws than the United States.

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Speaker 2: What's the vibe in Mexico? Everybody just celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's super happy because all they think about is America

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Speaker 1: and their their relationship to the US is.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jack, I'm gonna tell you, it's pretty slow here

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Speaker 3: in Mexico and no one gives a fuck about what's

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Speaker 3: going on. From what I can tell, like it just

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Speaker 3: doesn't come up, and that's.

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Speaker 2: Why I'm here shocking to me. All right, should we

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Speaker 2: tell the people some of the things that are trending?

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Speaker 2: Should we tell them I could care less about the

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Speaker 2: things that are trending. I just want to kiss you.

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Speaker 2: Get out, Joe, get in here, and get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Ever since then, the damn jets have been cursed, both

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Speaker 1: those jets and jets flying through the sky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we don't wanna We don't want to

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Speaker 3: blame it on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to blame it all on nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven. Brian, I've said this before. Yeah, certainly didn't help. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about NFTs. We haven't checked in with NFTs

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Speaker 1: for a while. You know, we were famously.

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Speaker 2: Skeptical on the whole FT.

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Speaker 1: Train, and we just haven't wanted to check in with

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Speaker 1: them for a while because they've been rocketing to the moon.

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Speaker 1: Is that a why we Oh no, I'm sorry. So,

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Speaker 1: so what has happened is they have you know that

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Speaker 1: they had a big fall. But then people were like,

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Speaker 1: just wait, there's a future for NFTs. There's a future

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Speaker 1: for blockchain. I believe there's a future for the blockchain. Uh,

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Speaker 1: for sure in the future when the software of our

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Speaker 1: government is not Ponzi scheme is not the software for

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Speaker 1: our entire civilization is not just how how I scam

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Speaker 1: the best.

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Speaker 2: And so uh since since kind.

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Speaker 1: Of people realize that a lot of this shit was

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Speaker 1: a scam people, something called deep Gamble did a deep

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Speaker 1: dive into like what some of the most expensive NFTs,

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Speaker 1: some of the NFTs that are still supposedly holding onto

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Speaker 1: value are actually valued at, are actually trading at. And

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Speaker 1: from their report they said mac contract on Athereum has

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Speaker 1: a floor price of thirteen million, two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: four thousand dollars two hundred and four and it's all

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Speaker 1: time sales are eighteen dollars.

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Speaker 2: So partially this is like.

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Speaker 1: You know, the whole I don't know what the floor

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Speaker 1: price or anything. It seems though like what they're saying

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Speaker 1: is that they're saying they claim that they're you know,

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Speaker 1: selling for one thing, but there is a what we

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Speaker 1: call in the world to finance, what we call a discrepancy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a discrap between listed prices and actual sales data, which

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Speaker 1: might suggest what this expert group that did a deep

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Speaker 1: dive is suggesting that NFT collections that they analyzed are

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Speaker 1: worth zero dollars, like straight up officially worthless.

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Speaker 2: It's over for all you hosts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it's gonna be real upset anyway, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: it's a it's an NFT bro that I sort of know.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I get to I get to observe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just beep his name out and because I

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Speaker 1: think he started Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we looked into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh yeah, yeah, he's gonna be a real

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Speaker 3: cranky He's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be a real cranky Joe. Uh No.

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Speaker 1: But I do think I want to keep it and

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Speaker 1: just beep his name because yeah, and the name of

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Speaker 1: his product, because I think it stands in for how

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Speaker 1: a lot of people feel right now, you know, like

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Speaker 1: we have all come into contact with people who treated

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Speaker 1: us like fucking idiots for being like.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it just like doesn't really make

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Speaker 3: Then the amount of people that tried to onboard me

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Speaker 3: lot of different scams going on, but it had had

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Speaker 1: F T S and they're still believers out there, man,

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Speaker 1: Like I still see.

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Speaker 2: It's funny like sometimes like somebody.

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Speaker 3: Else is cultish. The way the way they cultivate.

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Speaker 2: That cultivated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the way they did this, they they infused

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Speaker 3: just enough of cult vibe.

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Speaker 2: The whole damn cultivation. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just caught somebody on what one of the socials.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it was Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It's only when I go on being like, I was like,

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Speaker 1: this person's like has some strange opinions. Let me dig

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Speaker 1: in see like if they're a bot or you know,

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Speaker 1: and like the thing that they had most recently tweeted

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Speaker 1: like the good morning good night thing that the crypt

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Speaker 1: believers do where they have to like they think it's

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Speaker 1: good luck or like you have to show your belief

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Speaker 1: by saying good morning or good night to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the crypto community.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of weird little rituals and phrases and

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Speaker 3: so many initialisms and acronyms like.

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Speaker 2: That was the thing that kept me want to get

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Speaker 3: That's what kept me from investing anything into all this

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Speaker 3: all crypto in general was Yeah, all the fucking initialisms

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Speaker 3: and acronyms I had to learn. Yeah, I have no patience.

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Speaker 1: Difference between initialism and acronym. I've never heard initialism before

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Speaker 3: Initialism is just like some random fucking letters strung together

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Speaker 3: and you just say.

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Speaker 2: The letters okay, gotta gotta go.

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Speaker 3: And an acronym is like actually laser or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually stands for something like me, you know, stand

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Speaker 1: on my own two all right, So anyways, you know,

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Speaker 1: not much changing in the world of vn FTS, but

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Speaker 1: it does seem like it is officially like bottomed out

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Speaker 1: this report from Deep Gamble, Like if you're surprised at

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Speaker 1: like or if you're wondering like what NFT experts are

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Speaker 1: are like there's still a future, like it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be useful down the line.

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Speaker 1: So you know, people, there's still belief out there, but

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Speaker 1: the shit is worth zero dollars.

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Speaker 3: The only way, the only feasible thing I see a

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Speaker 3: practical use for NFTs is fucking Ticketmaster selling it stopped

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Speaker 3: giving you like whatever paper tickets, just an NFT or

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Speaker 3: some shit like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's printed on cracker.

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Speaker 3: That's like when you explain what an n f T is,

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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, Like so it sounds like it's this.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a ticket to me. That that's all

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Speaker 3: it is. It's this identifier.

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Speaker 1: And I think chain could be incredibly useful to bring

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Speaker 1: Like so much of the world is haunted by the

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Speaker 1: ability of people to like hide money, spend money but

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Speaker 1: money off shore, uh, to invest in horrifying shit that

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Speaker 1: we could get all the money on blockchain, that would

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Speaker 1: the Ministry for the Future that I think like that

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Speaker 1: that is the end stage. Like this would be really

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Speaker 1: a cool way to make it so people can't cheat

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Speaker 1: constantly at capitalism. Like that might be a thing that

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Speaker 1: makes some version of capitalism work in the future. But

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Speaker 1: right now we're just too far gone for this to

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Speaker 1: be anything other than a money laundering operation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what a money laundering operation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they really did it to themselves and all of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I should admit not only am I an NFT skeptic,

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Speaker 1: I'm also upside down on these things. You guys, mostly

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Speaker 1: a liquid because I'm all in NFTs, just wishing the

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Speaker 1: whole community good morning and good night. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll come back and hit

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Speaker 1: a bunch of quick stories. We'll be right back, and

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Speaker 1: we're back, and we're gonna talk about uh Murdoch stepping

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Speaker 1: down on tomorrow's episode Tomorrow's full up, as well a

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Speaker 1: couple others. The Craft singles recall, Yo, you know the

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Speaker 1: important stuff. Oh, it sounds like you have some takes

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Speaker 3: It's just the article I read it had it's an

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Speaker 3: extra for being quote unpleasant, and I was just like,

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Speaker 3: it just gave me a shiver because I'm like, that's

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Speaker 3: that's so despicably vague. Yeah, I just don't like this anyway.

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Speaker 1: No, I do love Craft singles that I love American

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Speaker 2: I do. I do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I do just want to note that The New York

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Speaker 1: Times has done what I can only describe as a

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Speaker 1: reverse death notice, where they were like, hey, Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's making us look like assholes.

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Speaker 2: It looked like a fool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know who he's making look like an

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Speaker 1: man saying, you know, death's a funny thing, Like that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I heard in my mind when I

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Speaker 1: read this story. They put us all on notice that

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Speaker 1: he was going into hospice eight months ago, and he's

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Speaker 1: still out here. He's closing in on ninety nine, like

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Speaker 1: luxuriating in hospice like it's a vacation resort.

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Speaker 3: What did they put him in hospice for exactly?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, man, I don't know all the details. Hey,

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Speaker 1: look man, it's not I'm not I'm not a news reporter.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of tables. It's not like I

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Speaker 1: lot of details to keep track of. I think I

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Speaker 1: think maybe some manner of cancer, maybe just like being

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Speaker 1: acutely old as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, look he built a lot of fucking houses, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's probably got that wild old man's strength keeping him alive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got that wild uh hammer thumb, that's what put

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Speaker 1: him in there. But then he's like he's built up

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Speaker 1: so much strength. But it does like this sort of article,

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Speaker 1: you know, does make me think that the author of

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Speaker 1: this piece is trying to kill him, because it's just

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Speaker 1: like this is like when somebody goes to the line

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Speaker 1: and the commentator, the NBA commentator is like, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like you're you're that.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in superstition.

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Speaker 1: I do believe Peter Baker had author of this piece,

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Speaker 1: has just doomed Jimmy Carter to die with.

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Speaker 2: Them the next week. Maybe we'll see. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful having you. I would ask where people

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Speaker 3: I am elusive and reclusive and that rhymes Jack emitted.

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Speaker 1: be kind to yourself, Get the vaccine, don't listen to Florida,

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